Thanks Gordon!! Always a pleasure when he appears :)
@chaosfenix
18 сағат бұрын
I think the PCIE lanes is the biggest quality of life improvement here with these chips. 48 lanes of PCIE is amazing. That is comparable to many current gen workstation chips like threadripper. These things will be awesome for home servers. You get the iGPU for great encoding with plex and then plenty of PCIE lanes for expansion and storage. This is awesome.
@gregdaweson4657
17 сағат бұрын
Good luck finding a mobo that let's you access even half of the 28 chipset lanes, you still only get 20 direct lanes.
@chaosfenix
16 сағат бұрын
@@gregdaweson4657 Oh I am sure they will charge a pretty penny for it but honestly compared to server hardware it will still probably be a fair bit cheaper.
@danytoob
9 сағат бұрын
So happy to have Gordon back in the mix. Awesomeness abounds!
@ArneMandell
9 сағат бұрын
Gordon is the first "serious" tech journalist that I gravitated towards.
@drewnewby
20 сағат бұрын
Gordon, Moonshot would have been a better name for these. I hope Foveros can take the heat of reentry.
@GPStuntMan
16 сағат бұрын
23:55 Yes I build for 1080P High FPS First Person Shooters!
@TrevorReaStewartnexus
12 сағат бұрын
Totally nice to see some lower power usage. Number go up is not great for power. Thanks for the walk through Gordon!
@trdpro2grfks
20 сағат бұрын
Gordon broke down the 2500k for us way back :) legendary
@jebo4jc
19 сағат бұрын
Can't wait to hear more when you're able to benchmark it
@Tsunamisurfer29
10 сағат бұрын
great work and info, as always Gordon. Glad to see you in good health! God bless!
@erniekeller1093
19 сағат бұрын
Let's say performance is only a little better than 14th gen and in some cases no better. For my money that's a win if you have a lower power draw and temps as well as a much better iGPU. It should be great for Handbrake QSV.
@thetheoryguy5544
12 сағат бұрын
I agree Gordon theses chips do seem to offer way more then all the average gamer cares about.
@iikatinggangsengii2471
12 сағат бұрын
its normal and exactly why i been asking to different people
@paulclarke5420
4 сағат бұрын
Always good to see you Gordon!!!
@GregM
16 сағат бұрын
No mention of the 1851 socket possibly being a dead end generation-wise with perhaps 1 more generation if any?
@runninginthe90s75
9 сағат бұрын
When Intel showed Arrow Lake is 5% slower at gaming than Raptor Lake it just at benchmark at stock clock, but Ultra 9 285K is limited at 125w which is half power of the i9-14900K. There are so much potential with Arrow Lake since it support 8000MT and 10000MT DDR5 not to mention you can still OC the CPU too but still use much lesser power than stock Raptor Lake.
@gorjy9610
7 сағат бұрын
No, it's stil PL1=PL2 for "K" parts, there's no limit at 125W.
@ivanbrasla
19 сағат бұрын
18:00 I'm skeptical about that 165w reduction in space marines. The 14900K doesn't even reach 165w during gameplay, how are they reducing more than that? I guess new motherboards are also more efficient?
@FrenziedManbeast
9 сағат бұрын
Max overclock on the 14900K easily hits 300W regularly if you have a cooling solution capable of sustaining the boost clocks. Plenty of Day 1 reviews demonstrating this.
@wail3
5 сағат бұрын
@@FrenziedManbeast In Cinebench not in gaming.
@PSXman9
4 сағат бұрын
a stock 14900k pulls over 200W in games like Cyberpunk. Just adding a +2 Multiplier offset on the P Cores alone ramps the V/F Curve to the moon and you see 250W+ just while playing CPU intensive games.
@Winnetou17
Сағат бұрын
It's total system power. Also, depending on the game, 14900K can reach 165W and more. But most likely 285K has a lower framerate in that game and makes the GPU use less power too.
@SaturnusDK
4 сағат бұрын
What the hell does: "Suggested eTail Price" even mean? I assume it's not a typo because it's repeated on all 5 listed CPUs.
@Winnetou17
Сағат бұрын
Yeah, nobody said anything about that, I was curious too. Did a quick check in case it was a specific term I was not used to ... I think it's just a typo. That was copy-pasted around. Or the AI was drunk.
@kupikichuvava1661
15 сағат бұрын
How long do I have to wait for micro code update for these new chips?
@roythunderplump
11 сағат бұрын
Hopefully a big jump in integrated graphics improvements with the intel Ultra range.
@afre3398
20 сағат бұрын
So the review embargo lifting will be around Oct 24. I am looking forward to the reviews even if they may disappoint someone hoping for large gains performance. My guess is that they will be on par with AMD regarding gains in performance
@jabronilifestyle
20 сағат бұрын
I'm hoping Intel gets hit with enough lawsuits that they actually go bankrupt.
@degroot50
4 сағат бұрын
@@jabronilifestyle why so negative? You need competition!
@jabronilifestyle
Сағат бұрын
@@degroot50 Qualcomm can be the competition now. F Intel let them burn
@blackknight50277621
8 сағат бұрын
ALWAYS HERE FOR GORDON
@squatch545
15 сағат бұрын
Is there anything in today's announcement about future socket support?
@godnamedtay
14 сағат бұрын
Nope, Intel declined to comment & said they have no information @ this time. Arrow lake S refresh has been cancelled & nova lake may or may not be on 1851. By the sound of it, I will not be. This is more than likely a 1 MAYBE 2 cpu generation. Congrats Intel, u played yourself…again.
@robertlawrence9000
16 сағат бұрын
Decent. I can't wait for the benchmarks vs the 7800X3D
@nossy232323
11 сағат бұрын
You already got a strong hint as they showed a few benchmarks against the 7950X3D. The 7800X3D will be faster than the new Intel CPU in most games.
@robertlawrence9000
11 сағат бұрын
@@nossy232323 It seems like it. Even 9800X3D may be coming soon too. Interesting!
@nossy232323
10 сағат бұрын
@@robertlawrence9000 I just checked how they ran the benchmarks. The Intel 285 got 6400MHz RAM and the 7950X3D only 5200MHz RAM!!!!
@afre3398
20 сағат бұрын
Zen 5 do have AVX-512 support, but as I understand the Core Ultra 200 series do not have that enabled. But at this point how important is that for a consumer type of CPU? Ps I wrote enabled because in the beginning of P/E cores regime. You could actually run AVX-512 instructions if you disabled the E cores. But Intel very soon started to fuse off AVX-512 comparability on the P cores for desktop grade CPUs
@Solrac-Siul
12 сағат бұрын
it is not that important . In simple terms, there are two primary scenarios where the "average user" might benefit from AVX-512 support in a CPU: 1- The software being used has explicit support for AVX-512: This means the software is specifically designed to take advantage of AVX-512 instructions, which allows for enhanced performance in tasks like scientific computing, data processing, or high-end gaming. 2- The software relies on a lower-level framework that utilizes AVX-512: Some software may depend on libraries, engines, or underlying frameworks (such as graphics engines, video processing tools, or machine learning frameworks) that can make use of AVX-512 instructions for performance boosts. That said only a very small percentage-likely less than 2%-of average consumers be put in any of those situations since in very simple terms most consumer-level software is designed to run efficiently on widely available consumer-grade hardware, which doesn't typically rely instruction sets like AVX-512.
@tbreeze79
12 сағат бұрын
Thanks for the Intel update Gordon 💯💯
@DsLmaNiaC
7 сағат бұрын
Are these going to work this time?
@oraz.
8 сағат бұрын
I wonder if ai packages like tensorflow much any use of the NPU if you have a discrete GPU. If not It would be kinf of a Windows only feature on the chip.
@darreno1450
9 сағат бұрын
Most content creators should have decent discrete graphics cards and won't be using that IGPU for much. So those AI workload benchmarks aren't a very realistic scenario IMO. I've used Topaz and it grabbed by 4090 for its processing. Maybe I'm totally off on this? Feel free to correct me.
@briankleinschmidt3664
4 сағат бұрын
The price difference for the GPU cores is 15 bucks. People may regret saving a mere $15.00 on $500/$300 part. What is something goes wrong with your graphics card? You won't be able to play Candy Crush at all.
@InfinityPCs
19 сағат бұрын
Gordon, the Final Fantasy XIV is using Roman numerals.. Final Fantasy 14.
@bobjackson4287
6 сағат бұрын
In gaming the problem here is that it's fixing a problem that was uniquely Intel over the past few years. X3D is enough better in the desktop space that no one who is building gaming machines cares about AMD being less efficient for the better frames. It's a fix for Intel's massive power consumption that they have had for worse frames than X3D chips.
@VoldoronGaming
15 сағат бұрын
These will be great CPUs for content creators but mid for gaming. 9800x3d will be faster without a doubt. 7800x3d will be slightly faster too overall for gaming but if you content create arrow lake will be your best choice.
@nigelrhodes4330
16 сағат бұрын
You don't need hyperthreading, in the old days I would turn it off.
@godnamedtay
14 сағат бұрын
U still do it in the new days, and gives u better performance…
@iikatinggangsengii2471
12 сағат бұрын
many game devs very used to optimize their games for hypertreading, so it prob still benefit i just say its useless now
@oraz.
8 сағат бұрын
I believe u but I don't know the technical principle why
@nossy232323
10 сағат бұрын
I just checked how they ran the benchmarks. For the Intel systems 6400MHz RAM was used while for the 9950X they used 5600MHz RAM and the 7950X3D only 5200MHz RAM!!!!!
@darreno1450
9 сағат бұрын
And it's unlikely they used Windows 24h2.
@nossy232323
9 сағат бұрын
@@darreno1450 According to Intel they did use 24h2
@darreno1450
9 сағат бұрын
@@nossy232323 Ok thanks. Did not see that.
@TNM001
5 сағат бұрын
honestly, i'm more interested in the 265(non k)...i don't want a 250w CPU in my rig, but i want 8 cores.
@FSK1138
18 сағат бұрын
this is the future as ai become a local thing this type of power needs to be in a phone or table form factor
@abhishekmaurya4665
6 сағат бұрын
what is wrong with those price tags
@krazyolie
4 сағат бұрын
AMD and intel have both pivoted this gen. Top end single core performance may dominate KZitem but real world application isn't that relevant.(And even for gamers 8/10 will be gpu bottlenecked anyway) Although not server chips we know these consumer class chips get used for that - highlighted by the game server cpu failures on intel. Efficiency is more relevant there. Cheaper cooling solutions, less energy and also in the server rooms less air conditioning.
@Navi_xoo
10 сағат бұрын
Man they really just are forced to put out products. How in any way does this compete with Zen right now?
@Googleteste123
20 сағат бұрын
Finally intel catching up to 2022 technology.
@alabamacajun7791
33 минут бұрын
Wait until the overclockers take a crack at them.
@GPStuntMan
16 сағат бұрын
Gonna wait for benchmarks, but I might end up going I9-14900K.
@godnamedtay
14 сағат бұрын
This is the dumbest thing I’ve read all day. Jesus Christ.
@thesupremeginge
9 сағат бұрын
Showing me a chart provided by Intel... You might as well show me a graph showing the ratio to unicorn farts to volcanic ash during the apocalypse.
@1SaG
6 сағат бұрын
What else are they (or any other tech-site) to show at this point? Do you expect them to have complete test/benchmark results on the day Intel's embargo lifts?
@nossy232323
11 сағат бұрын
It's pretty clear the new X3D CPU's will be faster in games than this. For productivity Intel probably has the edge.
@ArneMandell
9 сағат бұрын
Cores/$ R.I.P.
@earltaylor1893
12 сағат бұрын
HARDCORE! I think of Gordon every time I hear that…. Haha and say it. I hope he hasn’t patented it yet
@iikatinggangsengii2471
12 сағат бұрын
yeah i had a listen and never understand what that means
@mddunlap03
9 сағат бұрын
Power saving 14900k 253w vs 250w 😂
@GIANNHSPEIRAIAS
5 сағат бұрын
lot of glue on those cpu's it seems
@JBrinx18
20 сағат бұрын
What a disappointment in gaming. Some improvments in production. I wonder if there's just too much overhead in other areas for CPUs to see big improvements
@trdpro2grfks
20 сағат бұрын
It’s ok though. If you have a good setup cpu side for gaming just ride it out a few cycles. It’s really just a refresh for people building new boxes at this point. I haven’t seen the need since my 12900 tbh.
@oneanother1
20 сағат бұрын
Think they are coming with the 3d cache next gen though. If you aren't running a 4090, or higher, this CPU should be fine. Plus the overclocking could see some good gains. I'm on raptor lake so no point in upgrading.
@jabronilifestyle
20 сағат бұрын
Intels ICC/Ringbus have been maxed out since 12th gen. They literally can't overcome their current bottleneck and no new generations are going to be safe until they do. YOU HAVE BEEN WARNED.
@darrenhankner5282
20 сағат бұрын
I am waiting for lunar lake i9. not sure why they even created Arrow Lake so close to Lunar Lake release.
@Dominic416_
20 сағат бұрын
Lunar is only laptop no i9
@jabronilifestyle
20 сағат бұрын
I'm waiting for the Class Action lawsuit against Intel to hit. GONNA BE GUD
@godnamedtay
14 сағат бұрын
@@Dominic416_😂😂
@Winnetou17
Сағат бұрын
They are the same generation and meant to be together. LL is for 35W or less devices, Arrow Lake for 45W+ devices.
@pc-ninja
4 сағат бұрын
I don't think gamers care about power consumption this looks like a loser for Intel
@partlycloudy1942
13 сағат бұрын
"Forgive my ignorance, but what exactly is 'AI performance'? What does 'AI on a chip' mean? I don’t really understand this. For example, I can use AI on practically any device right now, so what’s all of this about?"
@technicallyme
13 сағат бұрын
It’s like nvidias tensor cores or apples neuro engine. It can theoretically do 13 trillion operations per second of math that is highly parallelized
@partlycloudy1942
13 сағат бұрын
@@technicallyme thank you. So ok that makes sense. So these large models in data centers is that different than this ( I don't even know how to ask this question lol) they require huge amounts of power, is that only because there serving alot of people and if everyone had this integrated in there devices there would be no need for them or is it we are pulling from data centers and crunching the data faster with the chips. Im thinking its the later as I write this but also it doesn't seem like we need acceleration for this... You see my confusion here..lol
@technicallyme
11 сағат бұрын
@@partlycloudy1942 that is a very complicated question. To try to break it down a little bit this type of so chip is designed to make tasks that we do over and over and make them more power efficient. So this part of the chip does a particular type of math very efficiently and very quickly so programs can either offload work to a part of the cpu that uses less power or to a server that does the heavy lifting and sends it back a solution that this chip can do easier to do work more efficiently On laptops this is used for increasing battery life but the ai part of laptop chips are 2 to 4x more operations per second. On these chips I’m not 100% sure what they will be doing or even when we will see practical applications. My guess is to make games more efficient but that could take years to see
@nirmv
7 сағат бұрын
Yhe idea is to run AI locally instead of in the cloud.
@leeroyjenkins0
4 сағат бұрын
@@partlycloudy1942CPUs already come with accelerators that are not "needed", like video decoders. You could decode videos in software but your battery wouldn't last nearly as long as you'd want. It's arguably on the same level of "need" as integrated GPUs. In that in theory you can do graphics in software but in practice it doesn't lead to a great user experience (well, less so recently but it's still more efficient). Things like better voice to text, better image/character recognition, live translations, video frame interpolation/upscaling etc... that you want to be snappy and efficient, which a generic CPU can't do, but where you can afford to cut some corners compared to a GPU (much fewer features, simpler drivers, ...)
@ahmetdag1340
5 сағат бұрын
Gordon🤍
@Lookingformorefun
10 сағат бұрын
Such significant downgrade in far cry performance is just horrible
@gasracing5000
11 сағат бұрын
Intel is using chiplets? As in a glued together desktop die? With some filler tiles tossed in for good measure? I'm not angry, just disappointed. 🧐😮💨
@drumyogi9281
9 сағат бұрын
Why? How would you design it?
@gasracing5000
7 сағат бұрын
@@drumyogi9281 Without neural cores, without ecores, with ten times as much on die cache, all on a monolythic chip, with a 300w tpd.
@CARLOSRUIZ-pe3mo
12 сағат бұрын
fk! power efficiencies we want more FPS
@iikatinggangsengii2471
12 сағат бұрын
true amd already done that very well
@drumyogi9281
8 сағат бұрын
To get those government subsidies Biden made sure that they follow ESG. Needs to be more power efficient.
@waylonrichter1253
20 сағат бұрын
Do you think intel had to sabotage 14th gen so arrow lake could beat it?
@godnamedtay
14 сағат бұрын
wtf are u talking about? It still doesn’t really beat it.
@waylonrichter1253
13 сағат бұрын
@@godnamedtay Ok, that's fair. So, intel sabotaged raptor-r so it wouldn't crush arrow. Good thing amd is not that smart or all the 7600x would be on fire now. "We did a windows update and now your Vcore is 1.6, have a great day"
@dipperq
21 сағат бұрын
for first minutes, i was debating whether that's Gordon that lost tons of weight 😅 Those Caches still no match with x3d chipset, correct?
@lunarlake1
21 сағат бұрын
How rude????? He has cancer. Shame on you.
@TheAcadianGuy
20 сағат бұрын
WTH is wrong with you?
@wtfdoino605
20 сағат бұрын
Average Americans IQ is 98. Thank you.
@sodvar5047
20 сағат бұрын
calm down, guys, maybe OP didn't know.
@eurocrusader1724
3 сағат бұрын
This is a joke... In gaming the 7800x3d and 9800x3d will wipe the floor with this crap ,while being just as frugal. Productivity? 7950 or 9950 will be nearly equally powerful. 😂
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