I'm using ARVerb every time I'm mixing acoustic tracks, it's so great! All your instruments suddenly come alive when they are well placed in space
@NoCoverCharge
Жыл бұрын
I pan everything to the right then listen to it standing sideways on my left side
@soundproductionandadvice
Жыл бұрын
@ProLevelAVG
Жыл бұрын
Well that's how the pros do it soooo....
@TheLboogie330
Жыл бұрын
Wtf upside down on ur head to 😂
@cjcurcio
4 ай бұрын
HAH!!!!!!
@realraven2000
Жыл бұрын
1:01 - in Cubase we have combined stereo panning, where you do not turn down the right or left portion of a stereo signal, but pan over the sum to a different center. This is especially important for things like Piano sounds / plugins who may have bass heavy signals panned to the left (player perspective) where ordinary panning will shift the Tonal Balance.
@chrislee8343
Жыл бұрын
Yeah I spent years "panning" stereo tracks in Logic without realizing the default control just shifts the balance between left and right signals rather than shifting the center. You have to manually change it to "stereo panning" mode. Made a huge difference!
@cjcurcio
4 ай бұрын
It's so true and great: we never stop learning about audio!!
@soulchorea
Жыл бұрын
This kind of thing is why I still haven't been able to go down the Atmos rabbit hole, I'm still in the 2-channel rabbit hole! 😄
@ShaniAce
Жыл бұрын
I actually noticed the front/back part a little bit, but what I found most fascinating is how the echo on the left channel sounded way more natural than with the traditional reverb. Level-compensation is also something I'm missing on a lot of reverbs, this is really cool. I'm definitely gonna give this a try!
@anteshell
Жыл бұрын
It was noticeable and corresponding to the distance, but extremely subtle effect. But as said, the purpose was more bring the instruments in the same room instead of being an artistic effect. In that regard that very subtle change worked well. That being said, I would hope it to have a possibility for much stronger effect.
@AllmysteryKolleg
Жыл бұрын
Interesting, but why did you ignore the lo-bypass which keeps the low-end centered. This is nice for panning guitars or pianos. Comparable to Boz PanKnob, but with additional reverb.
@dmedeiros81
Жыл бұрын
Yeah, could be more useful than the Boz panner for subtle room reflections as extra "glue" and coherence between tracks.
@djfalafel666
Жыл бұрын
Best reverb vst ever
@firmans12
Жыл бұрын
Very interesting. I think it will be good on drums. Just like a stereo room mics where sometimes you have the kick sounds a bit to the left and the snare isnt exactly in the center. Definitely good for creating a "fake" drum rooms for a recording without a drum roons
@bennthirteen3701
Жыл бұрын
waiting for vengo marquis compressor review.
@JimijaymesProductions
Жыл бұрын
An atmos version of this (7.1.4) or at least surround would be amazing for atmos music mixing.
@DumbMuchrooms
Жыл бұрын
You you should try Schoeps Upmix, it does the same thing but without the reverb
@baskooman9651
Жыл бұрын
Clever thinking behind this plugin, I wonder if it works more or less the same as the positioner in Altiverb with the impuls responses...
@benjaminmagambo3849
Жыл бұрын
This one I’m buying
@ReelX1
Жыл бұрын
So true and nice to hear and realize: We all are allowed to keep learning, as I did again with this excellent video. ps: when is the analog MCI coming back in a topic?
@PrinceVinceJohn
Жыл бұрын
Life long learning applies to music! Cheers to being life long learners 🍻
@LoveItDirtyOffroad
Жыл бұрын
I use Klevgrand Pana on everything except room mics. Makes everything sound up front and solid.
@DjVanic
Жыл бұрын
try the plugin dearVR music for really good panning
@Beatsbasteln
Жыл бұрын
when i tried this plugin i was amazed at first how good it sounds without even having to dial in diffusion. but then i found out that the results had flanging artefacts in mono and what got rid of that? right, the diffusion control. i personally prefer native instruments raum to design small rooms. let it follow a normal panner and it doesn't sound 2dimensional, easy peasy
@Linguae_Music
Жыл бұрын
Yea panning is good. But I prefer a wok.
@akipan
Жыл бұрын
the thing it comes to mind when I hear that is "natural" but when you hear it in mono mmm... not so much. But nice thinking!
@arverb
Жыл бұрын
As others noticed, mono-compatibility was not quite right, but a new release (with the fix) is available for download
@SamHocking
Жыл бұрын
Probably better to go the whole distance and just pan into HRTF and rooms binaural space. Either direct render of object to position like Atmos, MPEG-H or Ambiosonics, SPS etc.
@bontempo1271
Жыл бұрын
I'm always looking for new plugins that give dry synthesized sounds a sense of realism via space, without sounding like a reverb. I have a couple but they are really old and used to death. They work but it ends up being a repetitive sound. Looking for new dimensions !
@SamHocking
Жыл бұрын
I really enjoy the Schoeps Mono Upmix Panner. Also it's often hard to beat the classic k-stereo into a panner with a bit of cross talk.
@bontempo1271
Жыл бұрын
@@SamHocking Oh i have the Schoeps, i haven't tried it for that. Yea K-stereo is a classic but it does add that delayed sound. I'd like the subtle feel of real space without having to set it up physically !
@TheReal_E.IRIZARRY
Жыл бұрын
In no way, shape, form, or income has the developer for the plugin I am about to mention say this: since you are looking for a plugin WITH space WITHOUT sounding like a reverb, you owe yourself to check out JDFactory's Room Widener (developer: Joel Dollie (Dull-Lee-Aaay)
@TheReal_E.IRIZARRY
Жыл бұрын
AS for my other comment via this thread as a paraphrase, Wytse (the author of this video we are watching) even reviewed what you're looking for: JDFactory's Room Widener. You may thank Wytse and I later.
@TheReal_E.IRIZARRY
Жыл бұрын
Source: kzitem.info/news/bejne/lZiut4WwkoFnmWU
@psyborg1981
Жыл бұрын
I think panning is one of the most important things in mixing.....it is like glue-ing your mix together. When using pre made samples,you need it!!! I make a lot of sounds mono first and then place them in my stereo field. But maybe i am overdoing it...dunno. A mastering engineer said i was spot on on some tracks. A lot of old albums,have good panning. Check out "The Division Bell" by Pink Floyd for instance. Really good!
@ELISHACAEZ
Жыл бұрын
Panning is the creative part of mixing because you get to chose what happens and there isn't something that will inheritly sound bad unless u throw everything to one side. It's the most fun part of mixing besides leveling imo.
@psyborg1981
Жыл бұрын
@@ELISHACAEZ i agree on that,also you can even send frequencies the other way,so they do not interfere....and ok,mid side EQ is also handy...but still...it is mid/side.
@ramspencer5492
Жыл бұрын
Would think it would be about placing a bunch of sources in the same "room" like a drum kit.... Like a drum room.
@LYSHEmusic
Жыл бұрын
It sounds pretty binaural on headphones, and the fact that panning isn't continuous makes me think there might be impulse responses for each room, pan and distance setting. But if there's no IRs inside - they did a great job! (if there's IRs - they did an ok job)
@arverb
Жыл бұрын
The plugin doesn't use IRs. For each source position there's a big table of pre-calculated constants. This approach allows the algorithm to stay fast and easy to control, but currently prevents the source position from being continuous. Making all parameters continuous without compromising quality is bit tricky but may happen in future releases.
@LYSHEmusic
Жыл бұрын
@arverb great result!!
@Winter-CIG
Жыл бұрын
When you compared with your other reverb, was it used as a send or an insert? Also as a side note it's wild how many reverbs struggle to handle transients without sounding scratchy or grainy.
@Bthelick
Жыл бұрын
You, know I don't think I've panned anything for a decade now 😂😂😂. This might be interesting. I make dance music professionally and just refuse to have half the club missing some of the track/groove so just never pan anything.
@rogercabo5545
Жыл бұрын
my mobil speaker is mono. surrounding the phone around my head creates a cool stereo chorus... This is quick motion panning no plugin can do. 💡😊
@arverb
Жыл бұрын
This was fixed few days ago, check out the new release!
@Djartcore
Жыл бұрын
very Interesting
@jorriffhdhtrsegg
Жыл бұрын
Sounds like its trying to be Eventide SP2016 (that thing is great...) plus a pan knob before? Another trick is to just pan full, then put your reverb in the other channel. Amazing for some guitar lead situations!
@Defex
Жыл бұрын
How des this compare to Auburn Panagement? Seems to be a similar idea dealt with a different approach.
@hettovennik2887
Жыл бұрын
ha! god one..
@MegaBeefus
Жыл бұрын
Reminds me of the Boz Pan Knob plugin.
@victoriamaguire9847
Жыл бұрын
Do you know anything about fairchd and tape decks from neve boards to the gear that runs it to a computer using the thunderbolt cord ? My bf has the console from the grand ol opery and studer gold tape machine....i just wanna learn how not to blow up the neve preamps etc
@Funkybassuk
Жыл бұрын
Eventually there’ll be reverb plugins where you can place each track (instrument) in a different location in a room in the GUI - and then slide them around in realtime to hear the difference.
@Ojini
Жыл бұрын
Acustica Nebula - Theatre of Life. Awesome stuff if there weren’t a billion hoops to jump through, just to use the Nebula system. Paid for a yearly Acustica N4.5 subscription, and haven’t been able to even use it with my M1 Pro. And Acustica have basically refused to improve the CPU usage issues that Nebula has. Complete waste of money. Sorry. This became a rant 🤣
@cassetteo
Жыл бұрын
I feel like I’m the very near future there’s not gonna be any new variations of plugins, another compressor another panner, another eq. There’s only a finite amount of processing for audio… what the hell else is there to make?
@Iulian.I
Жыл бұрын
The only innovation I can see is the user interface, how we interact with them.
@soulchorea
Жыл бұрын
there's always more to explore, that's the beautiful thing about audio. It's just math and physics and stuff, so as long as people are still learning about math and physics, there will always be more ideas that come from it. The possibilities are virtually (if not literally) infinite
@austinsummersmusic
Жыл бұрын
And he does the typical thing of not using the settings correctly or even using all of the settings. How can you test it without using both distance and pan angle together and getting the mix right? Love you man, but damn. Infuriating sometimes.
@juanchis.investigadorsonoro
Жыл бұрын
Thx for this video! I did one on a similar concept, is there a way so I can send it to you? It's on my english speaking channel. :) Probably nothing new, but I hope it tickles you.
@587583922
Жыл бұрын
FYI, this method of panning sounds weird in mono. Normal panning changes balance between elements in mono. This changes tonality as well. Not necessarily worse. But worth considering.
@arverb
Жыл бұрын
Oh, these artefacts in mono are not OK! A new version with the fix is available for download. Thank you for the feedback.
@587583922
Жыл бұрын
@@arverb Well....that's interesting. I posted a vague comment (not a complaint) on a YT video and the developer apparently replied with a fix. That's....impressive.
@-Deena.
Жыл бұрын
Can just copy multiple verbs as fx tracks, pan differently and route to one or many. Still nice plugin.
@florisbackx1744
Жыл бұрын
IMHO this is not something new about panning persé, it's about spacial audio. It's a bout how to reproduce the effect of placing a soundsource in a room and what that does for the reflections. When you are just panning an instrument in a production which which doesn't want to reproduce the effect of every instrument in the same room panning is just that,panning (volume distribution). But that is just my uneducated guess.Still, could be a good tool is you want to add the feel of one room if the project calls for a more intimate sound, just to experiment with on single sources.
@Yuusou.
Жыл бұрын
I wonder why the "normal" panning doesn't have the same effect as the ARverb panning in terms of finding the sound accurately in the stereo field. I listened on headphones and that confused me. My assumption is, that as soon as you hit left or right in ARverb, it will remove everything on the opposite channel, hence creating the perception of more accuracy. Have you looked into a stereo image representation of both plugins?
@ShaniAce
Жыл бұрын
Nah it didn't remove anything on the opposite channel. Quite the opposite, the echo of the snare n the left channel was more present and natural than with the traditional reverb.
@ProLevelAVG
Жыл бұрын
Does anyone make music anymore or do they just buy plugins
@gutterg0d
Жыл бұрын
Yes.
@poorlittlemonkey
Жыл бұрын
Por que no los dos?
@FRMTHREE
Жыл бұрын
Even Flow
@drrodopszin
Жыл бұрын
As an absolute nihilist I watch mixing videos on the _phone_ 😢. Apart from being total evil, it also helps evaluating plugins in the sense whether "they make enough difference". In this case the panning algorithm was making too much difference: it destroyed the sound with comb filtering 😐. ARverb creator should make the result mono compatible.
@arverb
Жыл бұрын
Note taken ;-) New version available for download, with fixed mono-compatibility. Thank you for the feedback.
@hodshonf
Жыл бұрын
MIR Pro 3D
@Auldhelm
Жыл бұрын
40$ for a panning knob - no
@vroteg
Жыл бұрын
Nah. Controls seems a bit like ProR but with less control. And have nothing to do with panning.
@beehype46and2
Жыл бұрын
Comment for da algorithm Streak count: 135
@wackerburg
Жыл бұрын
I am an engineer, a "real" engineer, spent years at multiple universities, studying/completing electrical engineering, mechanical engineering and also computer science. That being said, I like to deepdive into topics and also think it's funny how self-taught audio "engineers" actually just call themselves the same 😀 Just "using" tools is not #engineering in my understanding. Making music and other audio constructions is my hobby, but here and there I think about these matters a tad longer. Back when I had my "panning phase" for a couple of months, I basically gave up once I grasped how spatial perception works with us humans and HOW FAR OFF #panning is done in most DAWs. It really begins in the recording stage. There have been people who did it better, but at least 99% of those self-entitled "engineers" do it the lazy way and get mediocre results. Your channel is refreshing is this "sea of wrongnesses", haha. I find it very entertaining tbh. But I am completely NOT using computers, let alone emulations of real-life tools, for music creation, so most of your content does not apply in a practical sense. But still, some nice starting points! And as you said, when simple tasks like levels and panning are far more complex, EQing and dynamic processing is even crazier. But fun, too!
@SamHocking
Жыл бұрын
To be fair, if music engineering was actually engineering it wouldn't be measured as an Art degree/masters/diploma etc. There's engineering on the hardware and software side, but engineer is a relic term back from when a recording studio really was a load of blokes in white lab coats doing science and engineering.
@wackerburg
Жыл бұрын
@@SamHocking I hope my text won't spark a flame war here ;-) as I forgot my flame suit today, hehe. Yes, I can totally see the Abbey Road engineers from the 50ies up until the 80ies maybe! Today's #zeitgeist is that anyone can call themselves anything pretty much. You can see that in photography and filmmaking, too. For the artistic side back then there were also composers and arrangers and artists. Many creators today wear all those hats I suppose. Plus marketing/branding/booking and teaching ;-) Cheers and good vibes only 🕊
@SamHocking
Жыл бұрын
@@wackerburg Definitely, and solid audio engineering does help the art, but there's plenty of highly regarded mix and mastering 'engineers' that never studied a thing other than did it sound better and experimented a lot to find the audio gold.
@rman4539
Жыл бұрын
sounds bad. A minor panning trick won't save this reverb from sounding bad.
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