I have the Buchardt A10 wireless speakers. It is absolutely jaw dropping. 96kh/24 bit uncompress transmission with WISA protocol. Yes an amp and Dac in each speaker. If you stream or use local digital files, you transmit data directly so there is no double conversion. The dac inside those speakers is really good - not as good as top 10k$ dac, but better then a 1k one. I use high end power cables that feed both Dac and amp inside each speakers. With the hub (and a Ifi elite power supply), the speakers have a room correction that make them flat from 25hz to 20khz in room. I’m a professional sound engineer for 30 years and I never heard a system that good under 10k $. The speakers have 10 years warranty and 5 years on electronic. Everything is serviceable.
@SpyderTracks
18 күн бұрын
I’ve got the Buchardt S300 Mk2, buchardt are very forward thinking, they’re quite unusual in that respect, Mads is really cornering an area that very few compete in. Have you seen they’ve now bought cabinet manufacturing in house? They are doing seriously well and very deservedly so.
@Schattengewaechs99
19 күн бұрын
The transmission protocol matters too. Most wireless speakers use the Bluetooth standard, which relies on lossy, real-time compression.
@bikdav
19 күн бұрын
That’s the big problem.
@Fastvoice
19 күн бұрын
You can achieve decent sound with apt-x compression - not high end of course. Used this long ago in a very expensive standalone unit to transmit and receive audio through ISDN landline for my studio. I guess it would be good enough for elevated consumer standard.
@stephannordmann5346
19 күн бұрын
Sure you have to use the speakers which transfer the data by WLAN like the Piega or by radio waves like the Nubert 🎉 Bluetooth is the worst and mostly it get used by cheap activ speakers.
@rollingtroll
19 күн бұрын
I forgot the name but I did hear a single wireless 'high end' speaker once. It sounded great. Not by any means the best I've heard but I'd happily listen to it all day. When it comes to wireless speakers; May want to have a listen to what Kii is doing. It's EVERYTHING i dislike in a speaker (many units in a small cabinet, side-firing woofers, DSP's) but heck they sound great.
@warrengday
19 күн бұрын
I've greatly enjoyed listening to B&O A1 (2nd gen) compared with the other BT speakers I've heard.
@biketech60
18 күн бұрын
The elephant in the room is cost . To do it all top-tier quality won't come cheap . When there is enough demand for said product at that price it becomes easier to market .
@user-nc5lu1on2i
18 күн бұрын
Please define a" Lifestyle type product". Thanks for all your good works.
@MrChaggy123
19 күн бұрын
Yes you can. I just swapped out my mcintosh mk1,2kw Monoblocks and c2500 tube pre amp and kef blade 2 speakers for the Cabasse Pearl Pellegrino Which is and total active and wireless system. It got 4 class d amps, dac’s and steaming capabilities and on top of that it’s a coaxial design. It’s actually a triaxial speaker in the front a tweeter, a midrange and a mid bass and on the back there is a 12" bass driver and belive it or not but they have a frequency response from 10-27.000 They are absolutely high end. Check them out
@JimmyDorff
9 күн бұрын
So I have a “vintage” setup and a Sonos stereo pair with Sub in the same room. The Sonos streams CD PCM audio from lossless sources. Sonos is using digital crossover and each driver has its own class D amp. Sonos uses DSP, in my case from their iPhone app. To me, the Sonos sounds better. Partly because the placement flexibility is much better and partly because the room DSP is probably better than anything I’m going to do with analog.
@MichaelM-to4sg
19 күн бұрын
Unfortunate to hear. I saw the title of vid and figured this was to be an opportunity for an announcement of wireless version of an FR10. There is a VERY large market not being filled at present for an audiophile wireless speaker. For us, we would place in our bedroom then move them outside, if weather is good, when we are entertaining, which we do quite often. We currently have Kef LS60’s for that purpose and they are best of what we demoed in the wireless sector. On other hand, I have personally heard the very impressive sounding FR30 & 20, never the 10’s. If however the FR10 wireless were in same hemisphere in terms of sound quality as FR20, I would buy in a heartbeat. I’d highly recommend you consider this sector and get a set of LS60’s to demo as a benchmark
@Andbac
19 күн бұрын
I doubt there's a VERY large market for that. FR10s are what, like twice the price of LS60s? That's without any electronics in them. People spending that kind of money on speakers are likely already into audio and not in the lifestyle segment.
@Fastvoice
19 күн бұрын
You would still need a wire outside - for the AC power.
@SpaghettiKillah
18 күн бұрын
Dude..they're not wireless as you'd still need ONE CABLE to them (power). At that point might as well run a normal cable from the amp 😂
@MichaelM-to4sg
18 күн бұрын
@@SpaghettiKillah Ffs we all know that 🤦♂️. I have my setup in living room. I don’t want to run expensive speaker wire to out backyard and bedroom when I already have outlets in those locations and can connect wirelessly to my NAS to have music when desired
@Entitaet69
18 күн бұрын
@@Fastvoice ... you easily could get rid of this one cable by putting some solar panels onto the cabinet
@rrd1975
18 күн бұрын
You may have to deal with the "Devil" and sell your soul to acquire them, but YG Acoustics offers no compromise, high-end wireless speaker systems. I've heard great things and read very positive reviews about the "Vantage Live" system, but It's very expensive at around $50,000. At that level of play, most audiophiles want separate amps, dacs and speakers.
@user-od9iz9cv1w
19 күн бұрын
No doubt there is a mass market for wireless speakers as most of the world is moving to very small spaces for housing. Why not stuff a class D amp with DAC into the speaker and at least have the flexibility to place them anywhere. But if you have the luxury of a massive house with a dedicated listening space then constrain yourself? I like having the freedom of choice. I also like the fact that many of these components can be enjoyed for 20 or 30 years before they find their way to a land fill site.
@snakeobias
18 күн бұрын
the question should have been “how long until wireless takes over from regular wired stereos as the primary speaker systems”. I had a friendly debate about this on Facebook recently, and someone suggested it will happen in the next 5 to 10 years. How cute.
19 күн бұрын
Thx., for feedback...
@glenncurry3041
19 күн бұрын
Top amp companies spend a fortune on isolating outside vibrations from affecting performance. 3rd party companies sell very expensive isolation and damping systems, shelving, cable risers, .... All to keep sound vibrations from the speakers from reaching and distorting the signal up to the speaker terminals. The highest end speaker companies even have external crossovers to remove them from vibrations inside the cabinet. Now you want to put all the electronics inside the cabinet? Directly exposed to all the vibrations?
@SWATTECHNOLOGIES
18 күн бұрын
I have run my own IT firm for 22 years and been in IT for 40 years. The number of issues each year with devices that are wireless verses devices that are connected via wire (USB, LAN, speaker wire, 1/4" unbalanced, etc.) is 40 to 1. We do not go a week without someone with wireless issues vs. hardware connections. Hardware is rarely a problem unless there is physical damage to the wire, or the issue is the unit itself. Bob Metcalf invented Ethernet in 1972 and we all know it is rick solid and runs the universe. My home is all hard wired and we never have connection issues unless our carrier is down. I do not care what the industry says, wireless is far away from prime-time reliability, therefore I wouldn't want it in my home theater...Ever.
@Hammboss4life
18 күн бұрын
Hey Paul would you guys ever want to make ps audio PA speakers?
@NoEgg4u
19 күн бұрын
If you want excellent sound quality, then a wireless speaker can (debatable / sort of) do the job. If your want exceptionally excellent sound quality, then wireless speakers will never be able to compete with a traditional high-end speaker. When a speaker is wireless, it means that after it receives the signal (from your CD player, or streamer, or DAC (or heaven forbid, turntable -- whole can of worms), it needs a built-in transport to feed a built-in DAC (yes another DAC), with precise timing (to avoid jitter), and the speaker would also need a built-in pre-amp and a built-in amplifier. All of the above would also need a power supply, to power the built-in transport, built-in DAC, built-in pre-amp, and built-in amp. There is 100% no way to have all of that crammed into a speaker, and expect it to come close, in sound quality, to all of those components in their own individual chassis. And there is more... All of the above components will share a single power supply. That is bad. The power supply is critical to achieving great sound quality, and can contribute towards, perhaps, 1/3 of the price of each box. In fact, some components have an external power supply. For example, the InnuOS Statement transport comes in two chassis. One is dedicated to housing the power supply. The Aesthetix IO Eclipse phono-amp also houses a separate power supply. And there is more... You do not want your DAC, pre-amp, etc, to vibrate. When you have it all shoehorned into a single speaker cabinet, you will be shaking the heck out of it. A well configured stereo has its components sitting on an equipment rack that is designed to minimize vibrations. You will defeat that, by miles, by having all of the components inside of the speaker's cabinet. So, yes, you can get some excellent sound quality out of a wireless speaker. But it will never (not in our lifetime) sound as good as keeping everything separate. On the bright side, you do not have to go shopping for all of the components. Everything will be in the speaker's cabinet. If you like the sound quality, you are done. On the dark side, you will almost certainly not be able to swap or upgrade any component. Even if you open your speaker's cabinet, the built-in gear will likely be custom made to fit.
@guystpierrecomposer
19 күн бұрын
I don’t know what system you have but I have the Buchardt A10 wireless speakers. It is absolutely jaw dropping. 96kh/24 bit uncompress transmission with WISA protocol. Yes an amp and Dac in each speaker. If you stream or use local digital files, you transmit data directly so there is no double conversion. The dac inside those speakers is really good - not as good as top 10k$ dac, but better then a 1k one. I use high end power cables that feed both Dac and amp inside each speakers. With the hub (and a Ifi elite power supply), the speakers have a room correction that make them flat from 25hz to 20khz in room. I’m a professional sound engineer for 30 years and I never heard a system that good under 10k $. The speakers have 10 years warranty and electronic 5 years. Everything is serviceable.
@NoEgg4u
18 күн бұрын
@@guystpierrecomposer Correct. I wrote that you could have excellent sound quality. But it could, and would, be even better if those components were each in their own dedicated chassis. As good as your stereo sounds, it would sound even better. And of course it serviceable. But it is not upgradeable (unless upgrades are offered by the manufacturer). You cannot, for example, replace the built-in pre-amp with a better one that is in its own chassis.
@guystpierrecomposer
18 күн бұрын
@@NoEgg4u true, not upgradable. The advantage is “perfect” synergie. In that A10 case you can “tune” them with different mastertunings - more warm, more mid forward etc… plus it’s a bookshelf speaker that doesn’t need a sub… I don’t know any bookshelf that goes flat @ 25hz. And that is in part because of the purify woofer + the DSP. Not easy to build a system like that on your own. But you’re right, you can’t get the class A sound like I have with my other system…
@NoEgg4u
18 күн бұрын
@@guystpierrecomposer 'The advantage is “perfect” synergie.' It's perfect, until the next model comes out. I have heard my share of crazy good stereos. I can't imagine anything sounding better than the best ones. I would never leave my home if I owned one. But I would not call any of them perfect. "...that doesn’t need a sub..." No stereos need a sub. Every stereo wants a sub. For example, Vandersteen's flagship model Seven speakers go down to 20Hz, effortlessly. Yet, Richard Vandersteen encourages using a sub. When he visited a high-end store in Verona, NJ, I asked him why would his Sevens benefit from using subs, when they can do 100% of the job with the bass. He said that the main speakers would vibrate less, by not having to produce all of the bass. And by his main speakers vibrating less, their midrange drivers and tweeters vibrate less, and project a more focused sonic image. Also, when your main amps are relieved of producing deep bass notes, your main amps will do a better job with the mids and the highs. Voices are very recognizable to our ears. We know when they sound right. We know when they are even the slightest bit unnatural. When your main amps no longer have to deal with lots of bass, they will produce better sounding voices. When subs are properly and correctly introduced into a stereo, with their own dedicated amps, any stereo will benefit. My stereo sounds great, and I wish I could add subs, because I have heard the A/B improvement with Vandersteen's model Seven speakers, at the high-end store, with and without the subs. Alas, my room is too small.
@guystpierrecomposer
18 күн бұрын
@@NoEgg4u I have a sub. The A10 sounds better without it… All I say is some wireless speakers are not at all « crap ». I’m sure the Vendersteen sounds better ;) but I would be curious to compare the PS’s new small bookshelf with separate amp-Dac-preamp against those Buchardt…
@AllboroLCD
19 күн бұрын
I'd be more pleased to see a PS Audio small desktop/DAW system than a lifestyle speaker, damn you Bose for coining that term, LOL! The thing to overcome is to get the "wireless" source transmission to better or match the source material being played. If MoFi had everyone fooled with their DSD transfers, I can see audiophile wireless speakers on the horizon indeed!
@leaveempty5320
19 күн бұрын
Avoid DSP, Bluetooth, anything really small and you might have a chance.
@stephannordmann5346
19 күн бұрын
Piega loudspeakers wireless are 💯 % high-end and the sound is amazing 👍😜
@davidzoller9617
19 күн бұрын
So there is no more cable going to the speakers? No cable at all? Where does the power come from then?
@stephannordmann5346
19 күн бұрын
@@davidzoller9617 Wireless is only concerned about the sound not the power. The power line you still need but there are wireless speakers with a rechargeable battery they hold up to 3 days with out recharging 👍 I never heard them so I can't say anything about the sound. I own the Piega and I had the Nubert and both of them are pretty good ❤️ Nubert doesn't connect wireless they are connected by a radio signal which is in my opinion better. On the other end Piega is the much better loudspeaker. For me is Piega the BEST loudspeaker for live and emotional sound anyway and I mean after 35 years of Hifi the best loudspeaker 👍
@gotham61
18 күн бұрын
Almost all of Goldmund's currently made speakers, including the $500k Apologue Anniversary, are wireless.
@laika25
19 күн бұрын
Buchardt A700 come to mind...
@laika25
19 күн бұрын
Buchardt Platin hub?
@georgebarronjr
19 күн бұрын
If there was something in a tower speaker capable of filling a small room and sounding close to a high end system I would be in the market just to get rid of all the cables!
@audiogek
19 күн бұрын
Should have mentioned Ultra Wide Band wireless.
@stevenholquin2127
19 күн бұрын
Oddly Enough JBL Headquarters is in Northridge California
@BlankBrain
19 күн бұрын
If you build a wireless speaker, line the inside with lithium batteries! Run the amp(s) off DC. Recharge off a car charger or recharge overnight with a smaller charger,
@Oldsukerbole
19 күн бұрын
Can prob.. sound better. Nice Hypex plateamp with digital filtering build to ps audio specs. Roon thingie… and thats all you need.
@Runstowin
18 күн бұрын
Did Chris "borrow" some ideas from Amar Bose?
@air870
18 күн бұрын
Some REL s use wireless for their Subs with great success. However, full range,???. I guess its still a compromise.
@laika25
19 күн бұрын
You didn't mention bluetooth
@BobGeogeo
19 күн бұрын
Yes, the iFi Zen Blue line is really good and now has an output analog only version around $100. Of course it depends on a good wired system to make proper sound from there.
@petew2560
19 күн бұрын
So if there would be no difference with a good wireless connection then why is there supposedly a big difference in speaker cables?
@Fastvoice
19 күн бұрын
Speaker cables transport the high power signal from the amp (at least for passive speakers) - the wireless connection only transports the low power signal to feed an active speaker.
@raphaelyen1102
19 күн бұрын
Goldmund
@subliminalvibes
19 күн бұрын
Yes, but wireless still sounds like whatever compression it uses. You can buy the best wireless speaker system in the world and it'll only sound it's best when not using wireless.
@Schattengewaechs99
19 күн бұрын
Exactly!
@guystpierrecomposer
19 күн бұрын
You can go 96k/24 with no compression using WISA. That is what Buchardt use and it sound as good as any 96kh file you can download or stream.
@AV84USA
18 күн бұрын
Sure, and I’m sure we’ll soon see a video extolling the benefits of audiophile air purifiers and WiFi routers to provide a transparent signal.
@jedi-mic
19 күн бұрын
Aspins who says you're not a comedian 😂 can I build the design of the lifestyle speaker it's a wicked design futuristic and old fashioned in the same concept could be manufactured quite easily cheap
@davidzoller9617
19 күн бұрын
What does "wireless speaker" mean? Do they not have to be connected to any power source anymore?
@hansdahlberg7105
19 күн бұрын
Yeah im thinking the same.It's not a such thing. All need a power cable, unless they have a built in battery
@SpyderTracks
19 күн бұрын
Wireless means WiFi connected, it means it’s a powered speaker usually with full DSP and embedded streamer. Nothing to do with power, same as any powered speaker, they’re plugged into the mains
@andrewlutes2048
18 күн бұрын
It’s nonsense. “Wireless” isn’t wireless.
@SpyderTracks
18 күн бұрын
@@andrewlutes2048 Urm, yes it is, wireless is WiFi, it’s existed for about 30 years now.
@andrewlutes2048
18 күн бұрын
@@SpyderTracks Sorry for sharing my own opinion. BTW, Radio has existed since the 1860s.
@RectifiedMetals
18 күн бұрын
Wireless, unless battery powered, is an oxymoron. I never understood what are we accomplishing wireless. Is it the source transmission, analog signal? If it’s a battery powered Bluetooth, it would be a very hard sell by the time you get a great speaker, great amp, great dac, great battery (with charging system) for just a garbage source. Convenience over quality, accept that, and there you go.
@michaelhartman4725
19 күн бұрын
So what you’re really saying is you are planning a wireless speaker!
@EricRhodeslives
18 күн бұрын
No
@user-pu8fg3vn5l
19 күн бұрын
Dear Paul, pls consider the following: - electronics in the bottom to save space inside the speaker cabinet - wireless receiver is in a separable module - then you'll just update the better module every few years and get the updated speaker
@michaelturner4457
19 күн бұрын
I think wireless speakers are going to be limited by the fact they're running on internal batteries.
@joshuajhoyt
19 күн бұрын
Not necessarily
@ThinkingBetter
19 күн бұрын
Wireless here means WiFi.
@SpyderTracks
19 күн бұрын
They don’t run on batteries, they’re plugged into the mains.
@montynorth3009
19 күн бұрын
Batteries are the only way to remove all cable clutter which is the whole point, and the speakers can then be positioned wherever is preferred, without restriction. I like this solution.
@albedo0point39
19 күн бұрын
Lithium ion batteries have a super low impedance and are an excellent source of low noise power. There’s no reason that battery power itself should detriment audio quality.
@renaissance6745
19 күн бұрын
no!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
@laika25
19 күн бұрын
What do you mean wireless? Define wireless... Wireless meaning a CD player being able to communicate with such speakers wirelessly?.....
@SpyderTracks
19 күн бұрын
Wireless means powered speakers usually with DSP and an in built streamer. Like the Naim Muso or Sonos
@InsideOfMyOwnMind
19 күн бұрын
I'll say this just one more time Paul, and then you're on your own. Be very careful with the "Lifestyle" moniker. It has already been poisoned to death by the Bose-O brand.
@RoderikvanReekum
19 күн бұрын
NO just NO
@anonimushbosh
19 күн бұрын
Stereo from one speaker… sorry, what, huh, what tf?? Come again….? Why go to all the trouble & expense of replicating stereo when it’s so easy to add just one more unit to sit a few feet away and do it for real? Or would a joint WiFi signal to two components cause syncing issues?
@Fastvoice
19 күн бұрын
I guess it would be some kind of "soundbar" which indeed can give you multiple channels in one unit. Much easier to place them and carry around than two speakers. There's a reason why he spoke of a "lifestyle product" and not of a high end system.
@Iamhungryforribeye
18 күн бұрын
It is ok to spell it out instead of saying those words because the people that get offended by those words don’t understand what you are saying when you spell them out…😂😂😂
@HansDelbruck53
18 күн бұрын
I'll say it: CRAP!
@andrewlutes2048
18 күн бұрын
Wireless methods are ridiculously complicated for such a trivial benefit and so still cause more problems than they solve. Until all of the wires including power are done away with I don’t see a single benefit of “wireless”. Especially when cables are such a reliable way to adjust things to suit one’s particular taste.
@SpyderTracks
18 күн бұрын
Someone who has no understanding of digital vs analogue or passive vs powered
@andrewlutes2048
18 күн бұрын
@@SpyderTracks Please explain.
@SpyderTracks
18 күн бұрын
@@andrewlutes2048 This is like utter basics, analogue source is vinyl etc over 2 channel. Digital is almost all served over the network, most over the internet. Digital is not a sound wave, it’s a packet of networking data. It can’t degrade until it’s converted to analogue at the system DAC end. So no, no digital music “degrades” over the network, only if you’ve got a substandard DAC. Wireless refers to WiFi, nothing to do with power. WiFi speakers are powered units ie have on board amps, streamers and dacs. They’re a full system. Powered by the mains.
@andrewlutes2048
18 күн бұрын
@@SpyderTracks Thanks, it’s been fun being judged by you!
@SpyderTracks
18 күн бұрын
@@andrewlutes2048 Very welcome, any time.
@tototronic2
18 күн бұрын
If a speaker has a power cord, it isn't wireless.
@cengeb
18 күн бұрын
Why are your speakers made in china so expensive? Others make them here, for less, and are much better , includes DSP, built in Amplifiers, etc. Legacy audio...PS Audio is no Legacy Audio
@patrickgeorge141
19 күн бұрын
They are not wireless lol, you have to plug them in!
@SpyderTracks
19 күн бұрын
Wireless speakers are like Sonos etc, they’re powered speakers with in built amps, DSP and a streamer. Nothing to do with wireless power, it means WiFi.
@justin4911
18 күн бұрын
Oh you're good
@patrickgeorge141
18 күн бұрын
@SpyderTracks duh. Lol People say no cables yet you still have electrical wires and plugs. Practically, the same thing and wall plugs are not always convenient.
@SpyderTracks
18 күн бұрын
@@patrickgeorge141 Ah, I take it you were meaning to reply to someone rather than posting your own comment then. Yes, people are idiots, I can't believe with as long as wireless speakers have been available that some people still don't understand what they are. Most require an interconnect cable between the master and second speaker as well as the power cables. People are morons.
@musicman8270
17 күн бұрын
No
@Iamhungryforribeye
18 күн бұрын
It is ok to spell it out instead of saying those words because the people that get offended by those words don’t understand what you are saying when you spell them out…😂😂😂
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