This is quickly becoming my new favorite vinyl channel and the thoughtful comment sections in the videos are the best.
@thevinylattack
3 жыл бұрын
Wow, thank you!
@MyDjCompany
3 жыл бұрын
From this and the previous video on static, it seems the most efficient way to eliminate static on a record is simply to lay it on a turntable which just gets rid of most static by itself
@thevinylattack
3 жыл бұрын
It sure seems that way.
@no-man_baugh
3 жыл бұрын
As someone who’s been using acrylic mat recently: it ain’t that simple
@michaellitscher9456
2 жыл бұрын
That may be. However, I've noticed that many records are quite charged with static when I go to flip to side B, or take them off to put them away. I've been using a carbon fiber brush with a finger on the spindle after each side is played just to try to reduce their charge in order to keep them from attracting dust.
@krzysztofczarnecki8238
2 жыл бұрын
@@michaellitscher9456 My records also do that, they can suck the felt mat out of the platter. But I don't have properly grounded wall sockets (that's what happens when you live in a commie block). The "ground" wire does go to a preamp, but that's just to avoid mains hum. When both devices share the same floating ground they won't have mains hum, but the static charges still won't be going anywhere. This indicates that I could benefit from adding a 1MΩ or so resistor from the ground contact to a radiator or something. Just DON'T connect it directly, especially if you have bad ground in wall sockets, as you can damage something. Did that to a tube radio once, and I actually managed to damage a vacuum tube. Not the filament, but the wire that connects the cathode to a pin. And it is normally hard to kill tubes in other way than damaging the filament. There can be half of mains voltage on neutral, and sometimes they did connect that to the "ground" pin insode "grounded" sockets to avoid having a third wire. Normally neutral is also connected to the actual ground somewhere, but where, it really depends. And also the Earth or buildings aren't an ideal conductor, so signals from far away will be at a diferent potential. The same can happen with things like cable TV coax.
@krzysztofczarnecki8238
2 жыл бұрын
Grounded it to the radiator with a 4MΩ resistor, and a record i tested it on does sound noticeably less crackly after the usual pass with a carbon brush. The mat still lifts out though. I might get a different one made of something else.
@ReasonablySane
Жыл бұрын
Your video led to me buying a pair of these from Amazon shortly after I watched it. I need to report back that it works, and ridiculously well! And I use the "hold the record in your hand when you zap it" method. I turn it on and run it around the record a couple of time and keep it at least an inch from the record. I drag it away while it's still on and turn it off after it's a foot or more away. I don't know if that matters (it probably doesn't) but it's how I do it. Just yesterday I pulled out a record, and with our new clear and dry weather, It really made the hair on my arm stand up. I gave it a shot with the lighter, and it killed it all. No static.
@innergeek
Жыл бұрын
Your description of the technique in moving the plasma lighter away from the record while still running sounds exactly like how I was taught to use a bulk tape eraser during my early days working in radio many moons ago.
@ReasonablySane
Жыл бұрын
@@innergeek yeah, that's kind of where I got it from. It might be bologna, but it's what I'm used to. 😁
@innergeek
Жыл бұрын
@@ReasonablySane I remember our PD saying you should throw the tape reel in order to "snap" the magnetic flow to complete the erasing. I never could bring myself to do that.
@daniel_dumile
5 ай бұрын
Did it work for you?
@PDXNTV
3 жыл бұрын
I took a $5.99 chance on one (a RONXS), and am *really* pleased with the results! It's working well and conveniently by holding it steady about an inch above the spinning album and activating it twice-once about an inch in from the outer edge and once more closer to the label. I can't see any way these could damage vinyl if the tip isn't actually touching the album and you keep it moving. I had a ZeroStat many years ago and while they were never cheap they're now ridiculously priced for what they are, and I was never super impressed by mine. Glad I found this video and gave plasma-the unsung fourth state of matter-a shot. Thank you, Vinyl Attack!
@thevinylattack
3 жыл бұрын
You might try using the lighter while holding the record instead of spinning it. The result will improve. I'm glad you like the video.
@FuckMyNicknameNOW
3 жыл бұрын
I am actually baffled that it worked ! Really worth a try, considering the price. (and, it's great for candles)
@thevinylattack
3 жыл бұрын
I was pretty surprised as well.
@deaniepops1
2 жыл бұрын
Iv just found out this works... I thought I was the first to do it. Dam im too slow.
@danashay
3 жыл бұрын
Woof. What a production. Lots of info, consicly delivered, right now. We have a new hifi guru. Really very nicely done. Bravo!!
@thevinylattack
3 жыл бұрын
Oh I don't know about all that, I just really like records and hifi gear, and occassionally trying my hand at some pseudo-science. I appreciate the kind words though.
@9mmmike642
3 жыл бұрын
Dimebag!!! 🤘🏻🙂🤘🏻 I came here after a recent Channel 33rpm video. I’m glad I did, really liking the content.
@thevinylattack
3 жыл бұрын
Awesome! Thank you!
@GilesMUTUBE
3 жыл бұрын
Hi, I find your videos fascinating, thank you. I will be suggesting you to all my vinyl playing buddies!
@thevinylattack
3 жыл бұрын
I very much appreciate that.
@tenfootvoyager
2 жыл бұрын
Wow bought one of these couple of weeks ago as cooker ignition playing up. Couldn't believe my eyes seeing you waving one about. Have got a zero stat but will use this as well. Cheers. 👍🏻
@mladenbasic1
3 жыл бұрын
Great heartfelt closing comments. This is why I subscribed.
@thevinylattack
3 жыл бұрын
Thanks. Comments like these are why I want to do videos.
@AVUM47
3 жыл бұрын
Loving the videos lately. You have a new subscriber, I’ll be sticking around. I love that you actually experiment and have a passion to give us true results
@thevinylattack
3 жыл бұрын
I'm glad you enjoy the them.
@Genpattonjames
29 күн бұрын
This is one of the best reviews, very scientifically done and I thank you for your review! BTW. I had to Shazam all of the songs because I love your taste in music! Haha
@thevinylattack
29 күн бұрын
I appreciate you saying so.
@SteveBonin
3 жыл бұрын
Hi Chris, I bought one of these based on your testing here. I really think this thing works. On static-filled LPs I can hear the discharge in the air, normally I don't hear much. I run it around the LP usually 2 or 3 times. Thanks for the very entertaining and informative videos. I would love to see you do a series on Phono stages from cheap to $1000 for both solid-state and vacuum-tube-based devices. Keep up the great work.
@thevinylattack
3 жыл бұрын
I was surprised that it does indeed reduce static. Hopefully I'll have an opportunity to do more with phono stages before too long.
@JtBrown-el4xt
3 жыл бұрын
Bought one to try myself. Was blown away by how well it discharges static.
@thevinylattack
3 жыл бұрын
I'm glad to hear it!
@hashman3171
3 жыл бұрын
I find your episodes very interesting and useful,also really liking your channel,quietly following you for a few weeks now and am intrigued every time I watch you..great job!
@thevinylattack
3 жыл бұрын
That's very nice of you to say. I'm trying to keep them fun and interesting.
@relaxrechargechillsounds1246
3 жыл бұрын
Great video, Ive been trying to decide which route to take for antistatic. I will definitely give this a try. Your delivery, knowledge and general likeability have made you my favorite vinyl channel.
@thevinylattack
3 жыл бұрын
Let us know how it works out for you.
@thevinyltruffle
3 жыл бұрын
Great info. This could be a great option for those who can’t afford a Zero Stat, or for those who can’t afford one RIGHT NOW. I might pick one up. I’m still nervous though about using it on my actual records. I hardly have any filler in my collection. Every single record serves a purpose or tells a story. Anyway... You’re video is hilarious. Great writing, dude.
@thevinylattack
3 жыл бұрын
I'm glad you enjoyed it. If it helps any, the lighter doesn't really emit heat. It's just at the source when the plasma is flowing.
@PDXNTV
3 жыл бұрын
The devices emit almost no detectable heat from .5" away, I can't see any way one would damage an album if not held directly against it and not moved.
@adamrishaug5384
3 жыл бұрын
Great video, and an AWESOME shirt. Long live DT! Similar to your top 5 under $500 turntables, I'd love to see the same thing for speakers. Thanks for the knowledge!
@thevinylattack
3 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the kind words. I'm looking into a video for speakers and hopefully it won't be too far out.
@monochromios
3 жыл бұрын
Very interesting. I'm gonna do some tests too. Thank you for all your videos: very amusing and very useful.
@thevinylattack
3 жыл бұрын
I'm glad you could find something useful there. Keep me posted on your tests.
@NickJimPip
3 жыл бұрын
Great new channel and love the presentation. Well done mate , looking forward to shed load more content
@thevinylattack
3 жыл бұрын
Thanks much for the encouragement.
@Morte_Deus
2 күн бұрын
It has a greater effect on the vinyl the more static that it has.
@JeffN-A
Жыл бұрын
This is fascinating! I do wish that I'd found this vid before buying a Furutech Destat 3 (OUCH!) , but I really should have known as I used the original zerostat back in the 70's (much to the amusement of my skeptical buddy's) and it was only a piezo device Making my way through your older vids and just found your shop. Gonna be some cow merch under the tree this year! Thank you for making these, I know how much time and effort can go into editing.
@thevinylattack
Жыл бұрын
It definitely took me by surprise.
@marioalleyne8559
Ай бұрын
I have a Milty that works very well but if I wear it out that will be my next move for sure save some money. Great channel with excellent content.
@thevinylattack
Ай бұрын
I appreciate you saying so.
@S.A.S.H.
Жыл бұрын
Great freaking video. The satirical asides really made it fun for me.
@JoseAChong
3 жыл бұрын
Hey! thanks for giving it a try!
@thevinylattack
3 жыл бұрын
I'll give that a go in my own time and see what I get. Thanks very much for the idea, it was a lot of fun! Shoot me an email at thevinylattack@gmail.com when you have a quick minute.
@joelabrie9081
3 жыл бұрын
Your channel is growing due to your content, delivery and general personality. Keep it up!
@thevinylattack
3 жыл бұрын
I'm still taken aback with it, but I truly appreciate the kind words.
@hifitommy
Жыл бұрын
Chris...your finding of the static reading on the platter is consistent with what i have been telling all of the people that felt the Zerostat was not worth the money. i have been using the Zstat since it came out more than 30 years ago (mine is the original in white, not red or blue) when it was Discwasher that was marketing them. since that time, i acquired a red one from a friend. the plasma lighter trick is something i saw a while ago but never acted on it so THANKS for making this video and spelling out the products used. the static reader is out of the question at $500 for me but the approximately $11 for the RONXS is right in there. now, what i have been advising my friends when using the Zstat is not to use it prior to playing the record but instead, use it on the LP AFTER play and before placing into the sleeves. this is to circumvent the attraction of dust onto the vinyl while it rests in the jacket. theoretically, the dust will be easier to remove with a carbon fiber brush such as the AQ. i use my old radio shack brush which has finer carbon fibers, like the original Decca Brush of about 30-40 years ago. it is still in good shape, the bristles arent curled from too much pressure. These brushes are only effective if the tips of the fibers are lightly applied for 2-3 revolutions of the platter after which i always brush them off to the outside. fortunately, i am left-handed so using the brush with my left isn't awkward as if i were right-handed. i will be recommending my fellow vinyl addicts to watch this YT. ...hifitommy
@thevinylattack
Жыл бұрын
Using any static treatment on the platter is useless, unfortunately. The static that has come from the record originally simply bleeds off into the turntable, and then comes right back as you lift the record. Treating the record for static before play has shown the best results.
@The_Haze
2 жыл бұрын
Great vid. I actually have some serious issues with static, especially in the winter. My records like to pickup my felt slip mat, it's awful! I was thinking of getting a ZEROSTAT-3 but maybe this option is just as good.
@thevinylattack
2 жыл бұрын
If you're looking to save money, this will indeed help in a pinch. You might also consider ditching the felt mat for a cork one (the ones I sell or not) as they'll produce much less static.
@ronnieabercrombie2261
3 жыл бұрын
I love this new channel. I too am a vinyl Junkie. Can't wait to see what you do next. One suggestion show us your cavitation cleaning set up
@thevinylattack
3 жыл бұрын
Thanks much for dropping by. I'll have a full video about my ultrasonic before too long.
@johndemmer3496
Жыл бұрын
A length of light paper like toilet paper hanging down can gauge the static of the album. I've found that any brushing of the vinyl including those "antistat" carbon fiber brushes or the ones on their own arm adds static. Playing the album adds a little from the stylus. A dirty stylus will add more. The Milty Zerostat works. My preferred method of removing dust is a silicon roller but those also add static. So my current sequence is hold the album and roll and then do the gun. Before putting the album back hit again with the gun. The biggest problem with this is holding the album while rolling. It's a little awkward. Using a brush might be easier since you don't have to push on the surface like with the roller. Using the roller or brush while the album will add static but then hitting it with the gun will not remove it. Have to take the album off and hold.
@johntsiblis5574
3 жыл бұрын
I'm actually going to buy this! Thank you for your videos, you help a lot with those tests! You saved me 30 euros when you tested those brushses!
@thevinylattack
3 жыл бұрын
Glad I could help!
@flyingkillerrobots877
3 жыл бұрын
You'll probably hit 4K this week - including me! I live in the mountains, a semi-arid climate, where the static issue is a huge one all year round. I'm happy to try ANY (inexpensive) novel method to reduce it. Thanks for the vid!
@thevinylattack
3 жыл бұрын
I'm glad you were able to get some use from the vid. Thanks for coming along!
@am-versions
Жыл бұрын
I was considering buying a zerostat. Was also looking for a refillable lighter for candles.Looks like I just killed two birds with one stone and saved $100. Thank you!
@thevinylattack
Жыл бұрын
Happy to help.
@DuckMcKrush
3 жыл бұрын
Congratulations are in order and thank you for the great information. Looking forward to more.
@thevinylattack
3 жыл бұрын
Thanks for watching!
@justincasey2336
3 жыл бұрын
Was going to get the Zero Stat as I seem to have so much static that the record is taking the slipmat along with it when turning the record over. I then stumbled across this. Gonna see if that makes a difference and take it from there. Love the videos. Thank you!
@thevinylattack
3 жыл бұрын
For the price, it's certainly worth a try.
@kniknayme9865
3 жыл бұрын
Plasma Lighter? Anti Static Strap? All these gizmos . Its like I have been locked away for a year. Oh wait ... I have. Awesome vid again.
@thevinylattack
3 жыл бұрын
Crazy the stuff we think up when we've nothing else to do, lol.
@paulgood2218
4 ай бұрын
Thanks for great video. After watching several of these videos about static . I came to conclusion static on a record not as big a problem as everyone use to make ot out to be. Needless to say i still picked up couple different of the things you tested just incase lol.
@thevinylattack
4 ай бұрын
I'd say you're in the minority. Everyone I know deals with static regularly.
@possiblystevo9141
3 жыл бұрын
picked one up from eBay, used it for two cycles in hand (ungrounded so the charge has nowhere to go) and it made an enormous difference to one of my quieter LP's, thanks!
@thevinylattack
3 жыл бұрын
Very nice!
@MJEvermore853
3 жыл бұрын
Your vids are always entertaining and informative, and easy to follow along with. This channel is fast becoming my favorite 👍👍👍
@thevinylattack
3 жыл бұрын
That's very kind of you to say. Thanks for watching!
@kresimirsicel
3 жыл бұрын
You do a great job with your videos, I'm looking forward to more. Also, nice tee! Keep it up! \m/
@thevinylattack
3 жыл бұрын
Thanks much, I'm doing my best.
@michaelburke5750
8 ай бұрын
I just purchased a candle lighter of a similar design. It doesn't have the gooseneck, just a straight shaft. It is excellent at removing static. I have been keeping it a half inch from the surface of record while it’s spinning on the turntable and draw it from the center outward twice. If the record has high static, you can really hear the arc buzz on the first swipe. It diminishes on the second swipe, almost like it’s eating the static. I'm very impressed with the results.
@thevinylattack
8 ай бұрын
They work better with the record off the turntable.
@CarvelLoafer
Жыл бұрын
Thanks for this tip. I bought one and did my own test, with a plastic bag. I charged the plastic bag by rubbing on my hair, stuck it to the wall to prove the charge was there because it stuck with good force. Then I did the same thing only "zapped" it after charging it and it would not stick to the wall at all. So I use it on my records now, I zap them in my hand both sides before playing. My wife asked me if it sounds better now, well if I tell myself it sounds better then it does, :) Anyway, I'm quite sure the static is less by using this and it was only $15.
@terryroyer1369
3 жыл бұрын
Love the channel. Keep up the good work!
@thevinylattack
3 жыл бұрын
I'm doing my best, thanks.
@FredManhart
3 жыл бұрын
Very, very entertaining and informative post. Thank you for the videos and keep spinning.
@thevinylattack
3 жыл бұрын
You bet.
@s.t.e.r.e.o.
3 жыл бұрын
You are crushing it. Thank you for these...
@thevinylattack
3 жыл бұрын
Glad you like them!
@mark-v5z
3 жыл бұрын
I was very surprised at the readings on the table vs the readings you got in-hand. I didn't think that the turntable grounding strap would have that much affect on the elimination of static charge but it definitely seems to do just that. Last week, I tried my 1986 era Discwasher version of the Zerostat and I think it must be broken as I could only get it to click one time when pulling the trigger and it would not click at all when releasing it. As a result, I could watch the dust get attracted to the vinyl in a matter of seconds - like it was snowing on my record... evidence that the Zerostat needs to be used (and needs to be operating correctly) in the manner originally intended. Something I doubt most owners do. This product you just tested seems to do much the same, seems to be practically fool proof, and much, much less expensive. Thanks for the heads up. Congrats on the 3k subscribers (now) too!
@thevinylattack
3 жыл бұрын
The strap really didn't do anything. I wore it to appease the masses, but from my last test to this one, the numbers were consistent. I'm glad you found some use in the video though :-)
@bluejeanblues3789
3 жыл бұрын
Well I just ordered one it definitely seems to eliminate static and also good to light candles. The handheld test you did made a big difference. I will update once I try it. Thanks keep"em coming. I believe most of the tests you did with the milty were hand held.
@thevinylattack
3 жыл бұрын
Let us know how it works out for you.
@did_that_hurt8387
7 ай бұрын
WOW I as of watching this video had a zerostat in my amazon cart and its 149 Canadian was watching some videos see if I really want to spend that much come across your video and seeing how many in comments say this candle lighter works I now have one that is preparing for shipment at a cost 12.99 Canadian fingers crossed it works but deff worth that little of a risk thankyou for this video
@thevinylattack
7 ай бұрын
It doesn't work quite as well as a Zerostat, but it does indeed work and cost a lot less.
@nickh.4722
3 жыл бұрын
Quite amazing that this works. Will have to look for one of these lighters and try it out. Love your channel and congratulations on getting so many subscribers - well deserved!
@thevinylattack
3 жыл бұрын
Thanks so much!
@rogra2087
3 жыл бұрын
Cool Dream Theater tee man! They and your channel rocks!
@thevinylattack
3 жыл бұрын
Thanks much for that.
@CoreysChannel
3 жыл бұрын
Well thought out and executed project. Thank you!
@thevinylattack
3 жыл бұрын
Glad you liked it!
@basshorseman998
3 жыл бұрын
I am on board as well...good content, excellent presentation Sir...Thank you
@thevinylattack
3 жыл бұрын
I'm glad to hear it, welcome aboard!
@KevinWinchell
3 жыл бұрын
Your channel and you rock!!! Keep the awesome videos coming!!
@thevinylattack
3 жыл бұрын
Thanks much for the encouragement, I'll keep doing my best.
@mrtmop1
3 ай бұрын
Cool shirt!! Love Dream Theater
@PMajorTremblay
3 жыл бұрын
Super channel , happy I stumbled onto it. Keep up the great work!
@thevinylattack
3 жыл бұрын
Hey, thanks much for the encouragement.
@allthings9130
3 жыл бұрын
Loving this channel! Great, well delivered content. Very entertaining. Great lighting BTW
@thevinylattack
3 жыл бұрын
You're very kind. Thank you.
@moss7650
2 жыл бұрын
you just saved me 100 bucks, this method works great, im so glad i found this video on time, thank you sir!
@thevinylattack
2 жыл бұрын
Glad it helped.
@MichelLinschoten
3 жыл бұрын
Becoming a favorite channel of mine , aside from the epic beard. The information here is gold
@thevinylattack
3 жыл бұрын
I appreciate the positive feedback.
@richardthomas3056
3 жыл бұрын
I got one of these last week and you know what? I think it works! I like a good $10 solution to a problem.
@thevinylattack
3 жыл бұрын
It might not be the last word in static elimination, but it does in fact lower it. I was surprised too.
@carlosvidal7697
3 жыл бұрын
When you place a record in the platter the charges inside the dielectric record material move to the side that is in contact with the platter it is like a capacitor, that is why less charge remains in the play surface. When you lift the record from the platter the charges will redistribute inside the record again restoring the static charge level in both sides of the record. This can actually be felt when lifting a record with a lot of charge it will crackle and you can feel it is pulling the mat and you can actually see dust particles being attracted to the record surface. Always discharge the record off the turntable so the charges will bleed off into the air. A well grounded metal platter and conductive mat will help bleed off the charges from the record too.
@thevinylattack
3 жыл бұрын
I think I shall add that to some testing. Thanks much for the suggestions.
@lewiswaddo5045
3 жыл бұрын
Well done on the growth in subscriptions.
@thevinylattack
3 жыл бұрын
Thanks. I'm still really shocked how fast it's happened.
@bojanbugarski
3 жыл бұрын
I'd say it's the same as you mentioned it - the turntable is grounded, so it pulls the maximum amount of static possible. I usually just put the lp on the platter, start the rotation, go with the carbon fiber brush to pic the dust if any, and "remove the static". Works for me. Maybe you could do the same episode using the brush and your gadgets to see what's happening?
@thevinylattack
3 жыл бұрын
I might look into that, but I'm going to take a little break from testing things I think.
@dioskilos
3 жыл бұрын
You should try a very simple test. First, hold the record in your hand and take the measurements. Then do nothing but put the record on the turntable and take the measurements again.
@pulpmysteryfan
3 ай бұрын
I agree. That would be the control test that any experiment should include. In this case, it’s possible the static dissipates naturally, or it could be getting grounded by simply holding the album.
@MySonicMountain
4 ай бұрын
I’ve been using time consuming deionized water rinses to get very noticeable reduction in static cracking - this seems very interesting a prospect! The only thing I’m missing is sound comparisons of the lead in grooves before and after :)
@CraigLafferty
3 жыл бұрын
It would be interesting to compare readings between felt mat, cork mat and acrylic mat. There is supposedly this huge amount of static discharge between mat materials.
@thevinylattack
3 жыл бұрын
It's definitely on my list.
@no_categories
10 ай бұрын
Did you ever test the different platter mat materials? I'm very curious to know how they handle static, or if they do. Especially curious about carbon fiber felt vs "regular" carbon fiber.
@deacondaveb
3 жыл бұрын
Just stumbled across your channel earlier today. Now subscribed here in the UK. I was intrigued simply because I've used one of these usb plasma lighters for a couple of months. They really do work! Good to see some empirical evidence! I use a slightly different technique to yourself in that I use it when the record is spinning on the platter. Two or three discharges from centre to outer edge. Certainly works for me. Any chance you can measure the other side of the record when you've initially discharged the static on the first side? Good presentation style btw!
@thevinylattack
3 жыл бұрын
I can take a look at that I think. Thanks for dropping by.
@S.A.S.H.
Жыл бұрын
Love that Dream Theater t-shirt! Wearing my Astonishing Live t-shirt right now.
@ocularcavity8412
Жыл бұрын
WOW that is an interesting result!!! Thanks for the thorough testing. I have been looking for a low cost way to reduce static this looks like a winner, not quite as good as the Zero stat 3 but 10% of the cost with 80% of the results is good enough for me DEFINITELY better than nothing
@thevinylattack
Жыл бұрын
It's certainly a good workaround in a pinch.
@ocularcavity8412
Жыл бұрын
@@thevinylattack For SURE, BTW at one point I found a video years back where the host had mention the Zero Stat and said that he had found a cheaper alternative and it was some kind of industrial tool that was almost identical and was used to remove static but it was not AUDIOPHILE so the price was less than half the Zero Stat but for the life of me I CAN NOT remember what it was called
@kellypg
Жыл бұрын
@@ocularcavity8412 probably an ionizing bar. You can buy them for fairly cheap as well.
@ocularcavity8412
Жыл бұрын
@@kellypg Thank A TON I will definitely look into that
@tanyet
3 жыл бұрын
I love my Milty. I would caution people to make sure you don’t use it too close to your cartridge. In my experience can cause damage. Love the channel!
@michaelbliss3337
3 жыл бұрын
you mean the ions cause damage to the cartridge, or heat?
@tanyet
3 жыл бұрын
@@michaelbliss3337 sorry. Should have mentioned I was speaking about the Milty.
@thevinylattack
3 жыл бұрын
What damage did you experience?
@tanyet
3 жыл бұрын
@@thevinylattack Left channel started having issues. After looking on a few audio forums I see that it can be a bit of an problem.
@thevinylattack
3 жыл бұрын
@@tanyet I've never encountered that. Interesting.
@georgeworkman5637
2 жыл бұрын
I have tried different methods to get rid of static on my vinyl records. The Milti Zerostat 3 gun has been very unfulfilling. A good wet wash with TergiKleen has been my best tool. New tool to get rid of static I just tried is "brilliant". Why didn't I think of that (I have 2 degrees in Engineering)? The Hudson HiFi Company has come out with a Anti-Static Dust Brush that mounts on an arm that tracks across your record as you play it. The brush is connected to the ground wire on the back of your turntable. So if it works, it works for me, it drains the static to ground as you play the record. Brilliant.
@thevinylattack
2 жыл бұрын
It would be, if the majority of static didn't just bleed off into the turntable upon touchdown. The best way to treat static is off the turntable.
@lowbudgetvinylchannel4840
3 жыл бұрын
Trippy, great experiment!!!
@thevinylattack
3 жыл бұрын
Thanks, I was really quite surprised it had an effect.
@popsandclicks
3 жыл бұрын
Great tool indeed, i guess i have to try this out, thanks for another great video on a nessesary topic, cheers / Janne
@thevinylattack
3 жыл бұрын
Glad it was helpful!
@popsandclicks
3 жыл бұрын
@@thevinylattack Always, keep up the great work and you will be the chan everybody goes to when searching for information regarding Vinyls.
@S.L.1211
3 жыл бұрын
Is anyone interested in seeing some phono cartridge reviews or shoot outs in the $100-600 range? PS I dig this channel. I thank you for creating content I enjoy.
@thevinylattack
3 жыл бұрын
Perhaps in the future if it garners enough interest.
@shahidyt
3 жыл бұрын
Love the humour and well done on the growth of your channel. I wonder if placing the mat on a desk and then the record on the mat would give a more accurate reading. Hope you aren’t offended by me saying that, it is all in the interest of science 🙂
@thevinylattack
3 жыл бұрын
Not offended at all. I like to hear new ideas. I think I like the 'real world' scenario I have now, but that may change if I continue with other tests.
@timsmith1426
3 жыл бұрын
My mom got me one of those a few years ago even though I don't smoke. I thought it was cool, but now I have an actual use! :P
@thevinylattack
3 жыл бұрын
I solve all kinds of problems, lol.
@darthbubba866
3 жыл бұрын
My Zerostat says "Discwasher" on the side and was purchased sometime in the late 70's. Nostalgia, anyone? 😊
@thevinylattack
3 жыл бұрын
Is that one of the red ones as well?
@darthbubba866
3 жыл бұрын
@@thevinylattack It's white, and still works. When I bought it back then the "instructions" were to squeeze slowly, release slowly, then squeeze slowly once again and then point the Zerostat away from the record so that the last emission to the record was positively charged. Maybe your static detector can clear up the whole question of positive versus negative streams coming out of your Zerostat.
@peterrech2307
3 жыл бұрын
Hi. The candle lighters do work. I ran the same tests that you did, had much the same results. However the difference i did is that i disconnected the earth wire from the turntable so that the spindle could not drain the static to earth. the static meter results were much same as holding it in hand and the reduction was the same as the hand held. I also tested the Zerostat against the candle lighter and the figures were much same. ....enjoy the music.....
@thevinylattack
3 жыл бұрын
I'll give that a go and see what I get. Thanks for the heads up.
@johnnymurgatroyd7393
2 жыл бұрын
Hi Chris - I have just this moment come back from Bunnings Warehouse here in Australia with an arc lighter after seeing this video. I have a feeling arc lighters are rarer in Australia than in America, because I have been to multiple hardware stores without finding one. I think I found a winner - a welding torch arc lighter with a really cool design. It looks like a Zippo designed by Darth Vader!! I think there's a cool factor in its design all right. Also, it has a USB charger (as yours does); I don't know if those 1970s static pistols were even rechargable.
@thevinylattack
2 жыл бұрын
The zerostat doesn't need batteries like a lighter does.
@johnnymurgatroyd7393
2 жыл бұрын
After three weeks, let me tell you; the arc lighter seems to work. I have no static testing device but I use feathers and bits of dust to see if they stick. I have had records so bad they crackled when I stuck the feather to the surface; the lighter does seem to eliminate the static very effectively.
@thevinylattack
2 жыл бұрын
@@johnnymurgatroyd7393 I'm glad to hear it's working for you.
@NessieBud
3 жыл бұрын
Three thousand subs man keep going !
@thevinylattack
3 жыл бұрын
It's absolutely crazy how quickly this thing built.
@excentor
Жыл бұрын
I just ordered a plasma lighter on amazon a minute ago after watching this video. wish me luck! i have some LP with static that I want to listen them a bit clean and clear... finger crossed!
@thevinylattack
Жыл бұрын
Let us know how it works for you.
@excentor
Жыл бұрын
@@thevinylattack sure, I'll test it tomorrow and let you know. even though it doesn't work, I really like your videos, and your t-shirts!!!! love the bands you like =) good content my friend.
@thevinylattack
Жыл бұрын
@@excentor I appreciate the kind words.
@willywonka3050
3 жыл бұрын
OK, an update on how well the arc lighter works: The RONXS (?) unit from Amazon is the one I got - overall results are shockingly effective. The battery seems to last for at least 30 de-static cycles (or 15 LPs), probably even longer if the bursts are short. Doing a cycle on a spinning turntable DOES NOT work for me - 0 impact to static. What DOES work is holding the record in my hand (touching the label) and doing a single 2 second discharge around the LP at a height of 2-3 inches. This KILLS all static, so I do this after brushing the record and before playing it - once per side. I tried to use it for its intended purpose but regular flame lighters are probably faster - it took a good 10 seconds to light a leaf on fire. As for the Ortofon brush that was recommended, whoever put that suggestion in must live in some place where the humidity around 45-50% instead of 20% every day like here in LA. Although the user claimed that this brush dissipates static, in my environment it actually builds static (just like my Audioquest clone). It's still an excellent brush, better suited to the "tilt and lift" style of cleaning rather than the "pull off sideways" style that Audioquest brushes seem to prefer. The bristles are stiffer than most brushes (won't cause damage), so it's also better for manual spot sweeping. I'm not even gonna bother with stuff like metal record weights or cork/leather mats because in dry climates, only the most brute force solutions like sweeping with a plasma arc seem to work. Or using a humidifier to turn my room into a Louisiana swamp so it's physically impossible to build static.
@thevinylattack
3 жыл бұрын
I'm glad to hear it's working so well for you. Crazy that such an inexpensive solution does the job.
@willywonka3050
3 жыл бұрын
@@thevinylattack I was about to bite the bullet and buy a Zerostat until I decided to do some more research and learned that it was just a modified piezo lighter. I have no idea why they’re so overpriced - apparently there used to be competing anti static guns, but Zerostat outlived everything else and seems to have a monopoly.
@thevinylattack
3 жыл бұрын
@@willywonka3050 I hope to test them all against each other before long to see what truly works the best.
@ninjareynolds
3 жыл бұрын
Great taste in music!
@thevinylattack
3 жыл бұрын
I might be biased, but I agree ;-)
@willywonka3050
3 жыл бұрын
I live in SoCal and the humidity in my room is always 25%-45%, and I have a carpet, so it's static galore. Just ordered the arc lighter off Amazon since it's only $10, hopefully it's the end all solution. I also ordered an Ortofon carbon fiber brush off the advice of one user in the arc lighter thread, as my current Audioquest brush clone actually increases static. Also, nice Technics turntable! I'm buying a fully automatic D303 variant tomorrow that's been caringly maintained since the 80s and is in pristine condition. I might also modify a cork mat to fit the autodetect mechanism for extra anti-static properties.
@thevinylattack
3 жыл бұрын
Make sure to drop back by and let us know how it all works out.
@dsonyay
2 жыл бұрын
Ok..try this.. take measurements after holding in your hand and using the little gizmo. Then place lp on TT and measure again. If the number drop even more.. then you’ll know the TT is hvi g an effect
@thevinylattack
2 жыл бұрын
I did, it's on the Degritter video.
@morrisonAV
2 жыл бұрын
Excellent work and thumbs up for your thoroughness. Just curious if the turntable is grounded to anything?
@thevinylattack
2 жыл бұрын
Yes, it's connected to an integrated amplifier.
@russellscott1518
3 жыл бұрын
Your videos are great.
@thevinylattack
3 жыл бұрын
Glad you like them!
@tonekilltech
3 жыл бұрын
Interesting findings! My question is if the records read so low when placed on the turntable and there's very little change when conducting the experiment while placed on the turntable, how about just reading in hand then on the turntable? It seems like that might be eliminating the majority of the static and therefore negating the need for a static reduction device at all. Or am I missing something?
@emilspec1227
3 жыл бұрын
My thoughts exactly!
@michaelbliss3337
3 жыл бұрын
I would think! I wish he had my setup, where I can hear the crackling of static in the air as I lift my record off the platter sometimes! Which is why I'm here watching this. Perhaps the solution for the testing is to insulate the record at the spindle with some rubber or plastic or something if possible, because it's that metal spindle not the felt mat that's conducting I'm sure. If it were the mat, switch to cork, and check.
@shahidyt
3 жыл бұрын
@@michaelbliss3337 Do you live in a hot and dry climate? I could imagine that static is an issue in a place like Nevada, where it is really dry. I wonder if lightly misting the room with a spray may reduce the static. I live in the U.K., where we have lots of moisture in the air, but I’ve always wondered whether an earthing/grounding mat under the turntable could make a difference
@thevinylattack
3 жыл бұрын
Some tests on the table showed a good result, some didn't. I think it was effective, but not as effective as a Milty.
@EclecticMusicMan
3 жыл бұрын
@@michaelbliss3337 I used to get that problem until I connected a separate earth cable to my setup. Now I have a cable that connects directly to earth as well as the earth between preamp and deck.
@lobstame
6 ай бұрын
I have not read all the responses to the video. You asked why just putting the disc on to the platter reduces the static charge number. I have read that it is fine by design. The tt old and new, generally speaking is grounded. This helps to equalize the charge or reduce it in this case. The tt that have a wall wart, runs on low current DC doesn’t require grounding at all. What do you think about this conclusion Chris?
@thevinylattack
6 ай бұрын
The static bleed off into the table isn't a good thing. It can affect the sensitive electronics inside. This is why treating a record before play is crucial.
@lobstame
6 ай бұрын
@@thevinylattack Thanks Chris, sorry for my poor language/writing skills, I don’t often correct my grammar and spelling. So my understanding about static imbalance which is somehow adjusted when the album is measured on the platter, would be a good thing because the charge is closer to a zero value when measured. I think it occurs by design of the engineers/technical team to reduce static noise. You state that it isn’t necessarily a good thing because it affects sensitive parts in the turntable? Or it affects sensitive parts within the preamplifier? Can you be a little more concrete about your viewpoint and that because I’m trying to understand the concept of static noise or imbalance and how it affects sound quality. Thank you.
@mdrummond194
2 жыл бұрын
Me, I’d likely use the plasma lighter AND my gold audio quest brush.
@thevinylattack
2 жыл бұрын
Not a bad plan.
@saltech3444
2 жыл бұрын
It would be a cunning lighter that could remove dust as well :-D
@rael2099
3 жыл бұрын
Most static on the record happens when the stylus is already causing friction on the record. The friction accumulates static hence why clips and pops start to appear and stick on the grooves. I was wondering if the testings can be made while a record is playing in the beginning, middle, and end of a reproduction. Congrats on the subscriptions! You put more effort in your videos that it looks effortless , hence why your channel is entertaining to watch. Also you testing stuff on records is always a great way to discover how to improve our vinyl experience, and that is priceless. Oh, btw. There is a viral video where some guy recommends to apply WD 40 on the record's surface with a cloth (microfiber cloth I suppose) after cleaning them to eliminate pops and clicks. Apparently the WD 40 also improves the quality of sound of the record. I'm curious if WD 40 does not have a chemical negative abrasive effect on the vinyl like alcohol has. Also I wonder if the Hudson anti static brush arm is as effective. Unfortunately, that product is not easy to get where I live.
@thevinylattack
3 жыл бұрын
Those are all pretty good ideas and I'll have to take a look and see what I can come up with. Thanks for the great suggestions and encouragement.
@peterhunt1296
2 жыл бұрын
I’ve heard that WD-40 can sound great short term but long term it pulls moisture out of the vinyl and causes miniature cracks. Possibly due to it being petroleum based? Probably similar ish to how petroleum based headlight cleaning products look and work great but soon haze over.
@markgriffiths9267
3 жыл бұрын
Just watched your vid. Think you covered all testing bases without actually being in a lab! 😁👍 Decided to order one on this basis (10 times less than the little blue gun thing!). I'll comment back in a few days to let you know how I got on. P.S.... I have found that the newer 180g pressing seem to hold more charge than the older, lighter/thinner vinyl. I have more problems with brand new records even whilst using anti-static sleeves... I wonder, has anyone else noticed this and is it (probably very obviously) because there is more plastic there to hold a bigger charge?
@thevinylattack
3 жыл бұрын
Definitely let us know how it works for you. I wouldn't be surprised if a 180g holds more static. Something for me to check out.
@kceateva
9 ай бұрын
Try it on the humming gurur when it is cleaning wonder what would happen.
@ColocasiaCorm
Жыл бұрын
this vs curling stone?
@JimmyV1530
3 жыл бұрын
Glad I found you, thanks to Frank rpm33 / you have a new fan.
@thevinylattack
3 жыл бұрын
I appreciate you coming along!
@michaeljohnaustin6745
3 жыл бұрын
Well I wanted one of theses lighters for lighting candles for awhile , but seeing this , I’ve ordered one at £7.49 worth a try , and like you say cool lighter 👍
@thevinylattack
3 жыл бұрын
A safe bet for such a low price.
@perfektcom
Жыл бұрын
Hi, First off, one should not use this plazma nor the Zero stat anywhere near the turntable's head. This is a very sensitive device. Secondly, the procedure, as far as I have gathered, is to wave the wand above the entire surface of the record to get best results. Lastly, when you read the patent for the Zero Stat it actually states that this device is a piezoelectric device (as in cigarette lighters) and the patent is ONLY for the trigger mechanism itself. Hence no wonder that this works. Thanks for the video. BTW, there were a number of small mistakes that I have seen in your video but it would not influence the results that were quite conclusive. Again thanks for the video
@thevinylattack
Жыл бұрын
A Zero Stat, Destat, or plasma lighter won't harm a cartridge or its electronics. They're simply emitting ions.
@marcopolov673
3 жыл бұрын
Aw man! I commented days ago and I think it got taken down 🙄 I was saying that I found an improved version of the lighter technique you used in this video (btw loving your channel so far). I won’t post the link again cause I think that’s why it got flagged, but what it does is it also uses an electric piezo lighter but you modify it with a needle to give the lighter a fine focus point, essentially recreating an anti static gun. I’m working on hacking one myself now. Let me know if you’re interested, maybe you can make another video out of it. Cheers my friend, congrats on your channel’s success thus far 😎😊👍🏼
@thevinylattack
3 жыл бұрын
KZitem has a tendency to take down comments with links in them. I'd be interested to see what you come up with.
@marcopolov673
3 жыл бұрын
@@thevinylattack I’d love to, except I don’t have any real way to measure it’s efficiency. I can only test it using packing foam, loose tape or paper, lol. I unfortunately do not have an electrostatic reader 😕 I was wondering if you were interested in testing it as well for your channel, except I have no idea how to send you the link with out triggering the algorithm overlords
@thevinylattack
3 жыл бұрын
@@marcopolov673 It's a possibility in the future, but your home brew test should tell you what you need to know I'd wager.
@marcopolov673
3 жыл бұрын
@@thevinylattack Thanks my friend, I just wanted to spread the info to the vinyl community if it indeed turns out to be a reliable hack👍🏼 Keep doing what you’re doing bud, you have a fantastic channel and I hope it grows beyond your wildest dreams!!! 😎👍🏼
@thevinylattack
3 жыл бұрын
@@marcopolov673 Hey, thanks for the support. I'm always up for listening to new ideas and products, so if you find something and KZitem won't let you post it please feel free to email me.
@len9518
3 жыл бұрын
Very nice. Does not seem to be better than a Zerostat, which since I have one, I'll stick with. As an aside, anyone using a cart with a Shure stabilizer brush, should have no static issues, as one of the virtues of said brush, is that it effectively eliminates static.
@thevinylattack
3 жыл бұрын
I don't think it can stack up with a Milty either, but for the money it was worth a shot. Thanks for dropping by.
@jameswhitaker6649
Жыл бұрын
Very weird! I actually have one of the lighter right next to my turntable for lighting candles.
@thevinylattack
Жыл бұрын
You're ahead of the game.
@peter_aka_hamamass
3 жыл бұрын
Interesting❗To prevent "burning" a record, could some kind of addition to the tip be used to prevent that,vand still keep it's function❓ Just something entered my mind 🤔
@thevinylattack
3 жыл бұрын
I don't think it'd be necessary at all. There's no heat to speak of other than right at the plasma source.
@mladenbasic1
3 жыл бұрын
I actually own that lighter. Just ran it for it's full run time while touching the metal tip. No heat at all.
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