Hi, thanks for watching the video. Its very long and deliberately starts of slow to get you ready for all that hits you in the second half - so make sure you give the video a chance to show you some very cool stuff - or use the chapters to find the bits you might want to see specifically.
@DJStanSteel
4 ай бұрын
I love my vinyl but it’s all over kill, clean by hand each time, enjoy your music and store away carefully. I’ve been doing this for over 50 years and still play albums from the late 60’s that sound great. Few pops but hey ITS A RECORD not a CD.
@Skyshakerrrr
2 ай бұрын
It's a record for sure😂😂
@piffromney1916
Ай бұрын
I agree I’m not that old but I’m old enough to have had records and still have a record player, clean them be gentle with them store them properly don’t try to overkill with a bunch of chemicals just distilled water some people even use tap and have no issue
@therealchickentender
Ай бұрын
A few very clean microfibre towels, some gentle homemade cleaning solution, and an even gentler hand with a tiny bit of patience do a wonderfully good and very adequate job IMO.... Provided you care for them and store them well in the meantime. For sure.
@Brian-qg8dg
Ай бұрын
Some of the methods tried in the video are pretty much what you do, and by your statement, those would be considered not over kill. Yeah, a wet clean is great way to kill static and get a pretty good clean. Then a simple swipe from a carbon fiber brush is usually good enough.
@RickSanchez_85
12 күн бұрын
Well my records are also this old but without any pops. Why? Because I want this "overkill" and I'm not satisfied with mediocre results.
@automatedelectronics6062
4 ай бұрын
Records are charged with static electricity when placed into and removed from a lined inner-sleeve. Brand new records have a high static electrical charge from the manufacturing. They are not packaged in a cleanroom. As you remove them from the lined inner sleeve the first time, the record pull dust out of the air like a magnet. Any friction on the record, brushing and even playing, generates static electricity. Wet-cleaning records neutralizes static electricity. Over-vacuuming creates static electricity. Using glue on a records does leave residue behind. No matter how much glue you apply to the record surface will not all be removed. Plus it takes a long time. Thank you for your exceptionally thorough video. Very educational. I love your scope. What brand and model is it?
@PursuitPerfectSystem
4 ай бұрын
Thanks very much, here is a link to the scope I used geni.us/4PHPwBA
@phrayzar
Ай бұрын
I've been assing about cleaning records for nearly 30 years now. I only started using an ultrasonic cleaner a couple of years ago. It really is a complete game changer. Records that I thought would always be noisy are now quiet, especially after 2 cleans. I have one of the cheap Vevor machines and I've done 1000's of cycles with it now. What is amazing is that the sound is more detailed and spacious with the US cleaned vinyl.
@llewellyn56
Ай бұрын
I just use micro fiber cloth. That’s it. Been using for years. Works for me. No pops no skips. Great video
@negolfman
Ай бұрын
Someone showed me after an alcohol, soap and distilled water cleaning, using wd-40 and distilled water blen, can remove deep dust and remove pops when listening to your vinyl.
@OS_SWE
4 ай бұрын
That MFSL pressing of Scetches Of Spain is my favorite pressing of my favorite record. Sounds phenomenal. Great work with all the in-depth testing! It's all very interesting. Keep up the good work!
@erwindewit4073
4 ай бұрын
Interesting. I bought that record used for 1 euro. But I'm sure it won't sound as good either..
@gsherlock
4 ай бұрын
Well done Terry for this methodical approach to record cleaning.
@millopguy
4 ай бұрын
Great video! Cool to see the grooves in a closeup manner. As far as cleaning goes for me, I have been using a personal tried and true affordable route that delivers incredible results. A label protector, Simple Green cleaning spray, a Spin Clean brush, distilled water for rinse, Viva lint free paper towels and a small USB compressed air blower to assist drying time. Thereafter, I always use my Zerostat, a Boundless carbon fiber brush, and Opula fluid/brush. I can't emphasize enough how good Simple Green is for cleaning. It's my secret sauce for safe and effective vinyl cleaning.
@rajendrakumarduggar1835
2 ай бұрын
What do you use to wipe the record with after rinsing? The cleaning cloth cannot remove the water residue lodged in the groove, so it has to dry by itself.
@ridirefain6606
4 ай бұрын
Own the Degritter myself. For what it is worth I do a very similar method, dry wipe with brush, sonic clean cycle 4, wet physical clean with brush and surfactant, second sonic cycle 4 (shorter ones used in circumstances where the record has been taken care of.), remove tank, run a rinse with distilled water that is in a second tank and finish with the air-drying cycle. You cannot get everything, especially if it's a 50-year-old pressing where there was no attempt to conserve it. Sadly, sometimes some records get mold growing on them and the grooves get damaged. However, on most albums I can get things to a point where people will ask what CD I am playing?
@MD-wk3gj
4 ай бұрын
The extreme closeup near the end is very cool. It makes me think with any dust and minor imperfections it’s a miracle we can hear anything 😂
@PursuitPerfectSystem
4 ай бұрын
Yes vinyl is a miracle that is works at all :) what this testing doesn’t really show is how the dust is the collected by the stylus or how the stylus rides through it or over it as of course that will effect what we hear. One step at a time to try and get this sort of thing on video :)
@markcarrington8565
4 ай бұрын
Great job, Terry! That’s some serious commitment to cleaning. I’m using the, admittedly noisy, but much quicker and more affordable Pro-Ject vacuum machine. I use a tiny carbon brush, usually used to clean a stylus to really scrub the grooves. I move it across the surface 5mm at a time, holding it for 2 seconds each time for a new record, 5 seconds for an old one. The audible results are fantastic and I’d love to see the results on your microscope.
@PursuitPerfectSystem
4 ай бұрын
I am pretty sure the first record I used for the test was cleaned with a Pro-Ject VCE machine back when I first started and that looked pretty good ti me and that is what was messing up my testing initially. I dont think I ever played that record either so it was new too
@pierreduchesne0001
4 ай бұрын
As an anecdote, a certain big band jazz musician produced her album for streaming and on CD. Given the demand for vinyl records, an LP was also produced. When listening to this LP, this professional musician said: "Ha, it's interesting to listen to my music with all this background noise". The vinyl format is great, delivers exceptional sound quality on good equipment, provides an incredible experience. But if you don't want to hear surface noise or the occasional clicks and pops, listen to CDs. No cleaning method will guarantee sound as crisp as CDs. I'm not talking about the vinyl experience, again, different and incredible. But vinyl is a format that has its imperfections, which is part of its charm. And clean your records with a brush.
@PursuitPerfectSystem
4 ай бұрын
When you look at the results you can see the brush does some things good some not so good, wet cleaning, especially ultrasonic is far better - then in my last video you can see how brushing can and often adds static - the imperfections of vinyl are inherent to the old technology, not from whats added to the record after I think there is an important distinction there.
@rajendrakumarduggar1835
2 ай бұрын
Since a compact disc digitizes music, the sound is bound to lose its contours. No matter how many zeros and ones are used in digitizing, the resolution is not the same as high-fidelity sound. In contrast, a vinyl record provides a rich timbre to music, regardless of the pops and clicks.
@MSTrusAgent
3 күн бұрын
Thank you for the work and for putting out the results! I hope it will help people in the future be more careful when choosing the right cleaning method. I think we need more vinyl mythbusting
@flageborg
4 ай бұрын
Nice to see you have the same equipment to verify results before/after. Keep up the good work !
@ESSBrew
11 күн бұрын
11:00 Thanks, Im going crazy trying to get my vinyls cleaned, feeling the same way about it all, and I cant wait to see the rest of this video.
@DaveSHarris
4 ай бұрын
This tells me I can make a significant improvement for £25. Off to do that now
@negolfman
Ай бұрын
Nice setup and detailed video, thanks for posting this.
@marcparsons1726
26 күн бұрын
Part of the charm sometimes! Just played a brand new record and oh well still fantastic
@jameswest6116
4 ай бұрын
Try a comparison video of Degritter machine vs. Humminguru machine 😅
@lesharknett3755
23 күн бұрын
I Enjoyed the video I've used the brush and the wet wash system, the one I've used and find it affective is the German made Disco cleaner and it's not to expensive it's worth a try.
@rwlodarczyk
4 ай бұрын
Seriously LOVE your approach! Awesome work.
@thetragicyouth
4 ай бұрын
The great thing about your videos, Terry, is that you often show things that I didn't know I needed to see! That can be hifi equipment with a five figure price tag or the microscopic examination of dirty vinyl grooves! 35 minutes flew past in what felt like ten. Have you ever come across the Australian product called Record Revirginizer? It's not PVA glue, but works on a similar principle (sets into a 'skin' more quickly and much easier to remove from the vinyl) - would love to see that tested under a microscope as I'd always wondered whether tiny particles of the substance would remain in the grooves, invisible to the naked eye.
@hoobsgroove
4 ай бұрын
I believe that's a type of rubbery glue? used in children's craft work it smells of ammonia? is that correct? that could be used. for the life of me I can't think of the proper chemical name.
@PursuitPerfectSystem
4 ай бұрын
Thank you for the very kind words, pretty much everything is still new to me at this point so I am gradually exploring and experiencing new things. I will look into your suggestion for sure.
@chalkyc
4 ай бұрын
Great video love the detail and pics of the grooves man!,
@ThemFuzzyMonsters
Ай бұрын
Nice video! I’ve only done the glue cleaning method a couple of times but I used at least four times more glue. I made a nice, thick layer of glue, enough that it only takes minimal amount of manual application. Once dry, it was easy to grab, pull-off and it came out in one piece.
@str8_88s
4 ай бұрын
I found the record doctor vacuum system works really well. Also the record doctor turn table clam combined with a suede platter mat is the best combo out there imo. Great vids!
@steveknipe579
4 ай бұрын
Great comparison of record cleaning options. Since ultrasonic preformed so well, I’d love to see a shoutout between Degritter and Hummingbird.
@ahaveland
28 күн бұрын
Dust in the grooves is the worst - the needle can hit them and then deform the vinyl leaving permanent damage. Surface dust builds up on the needle and can cause skipping. I think I'd mount the record in an electric drill, spin it up slowly and try using a shower, or even pressure washer to dislodge the dust in the grooves, this should remove the particles completely instead of just pushing them around to find another home. Then use distilled water to rinse and spin up faster to dry. The ultrasonic cleaner looks cool, PVA method interesting especially if there's a solvent for it that doesn't touch vinyl. Compressed air with a vacuum also another approach, or use all methods!
@rwlodarczyk
4 ай бұрын
Love your work. Wish I could send more as a thank you.
@mcnaugha
4 ай бұрын
I’d love to see this same kind of analysis done on the much more affordable Spincare recording cleaning “machine”. Just how much difference does it make to a record under the microscope. Then compare to ultrasonic to establish the value differential or not as the case may be.
@VoituresIngénierie
Ай бұрын
Hi, thanks a lot for this truly superb video. Would be great if you could make the same comparison between manual cleaning machines such as Knosti vs Ultrasonic cleaning. Regards.
@pontram
26 күн бұрын
I support that suggestion, since the Degritter costs about 2890 Euros (!) and the Knosti about 62. I cannot imagine that the difference - about 2800 Euros - would be visibly reflected by the cleaning results. Since standard ultrasonic cleaning devices (for jewellry etc.) begin at about 30 €, I would definitely feel not very good after buying something that expensive utilizing the same technology. But, there are currently several similar devices of Chinese provenience I've seen on A*zon, that are much cheaper. And there are some solutions with suction.
@junglejim99
22 күн бұрын
In the dishwasher set on a quick wash with a Persil tablet, come out lovely they do, if a little warped, but my tonearm can handle a bumpy ride 😂
@jimw5165
4 ай бұрын
Great video and prompts me to relate my near perfect cleaning method as he prompted me to exam in my results with my own microscope. I use a VPI following their protocol including their solution and brush. Where I differ is: just after I turn on the vacuum, I apply a disk doctor brush at an angle to the now dry surface as it rotates and spray liberally with distilled water. The brush forms a water damn, slowly releasing the clean water to the surface. Microscope shows at least 50 times less surface AND groove gunk as the best example in this video. And I rarely hear a click or pop (less than one/side). My theory is that the vacuum arm is actually sucking the fluid up even before it reaches the arm, resulting in a very high velocity of fluid flow through the narrow grove which in turn results in tremendous turbulence that knocks everything loose from the surface to be sucked away. I am a retired scientist with curiosity about what is really going on but at 79 I am more interested in listening to pristine vinyl than making mods to my hugely successful method.
@PursuitPerfectSystem
4 ай бұрын
the best solution in this video was no groove dust and better than brand new - if you can do 50x better than nothing congrats
@jimw5165
4 ай бұрын
@@PursuitPerfectSystem you are correct, my comment of 50x was overall gunk reduction. And while surface gunk might seem of no concern to playback, I worry that the needle can drag stuff down into the groove where the pressure and heat might imbed it irretrievably into the vinyl. Or, as chemists are like to say, you can’t tell if the inside of a flask is clean if the outside is dirty. Which raises the interesting question of why the degritter is cleaning the depths of the groove better than the surface. Particle size? Sorry if I seemed to be critical, that was by no means my intention.
@PursuitPerfectSystem
4 ай бұрын
There is a brand new model they just announced that brushes records first and is far more comprehensive of the water filtering - buts huge and very expensive - but maybe there is a clue there - but I agree on the surface dirt should be better but its hard to know what the exact cause is
@Woofy-tm8si
2 ай бұрын
Frequently cleaned records can sound brand new after years of playing. I have records from the late sixties I thought were played to death with horrible surface noise. Two trip through the record cleaner and their surface noise mostly disappeared and they sound like the pressing is nearly new.
@maxthefacts
4 ай бұрын
Thanks for the video. Unfortunately the cost of the Degritter is too expensive for what it is. Not everybody can afford the asking price.
@jimsregaturntableshifijukebox
4 ай бұрын
Very interesting, thanks for posting. Jim🏴🙂
@PursuitPerfectSystem
4 ай бұрын
Thanks Jim
@thomosburn8740
2 ай бұрын
the metal handle of the audioquest brush is supposed to touch the metal spindle of your turntable's platter to electrically ground the brush and reduce static. plus the carbon fiber bristles are supposed to reduce static even further.
@false_binary
4 ай бұрын
Excellent video! I use a Humminguru and triple wash...the first tank with surfactant, a fresh to wash it off, and a final fresh bath + auto dry. The difference in sonic quality is amazing...new vinyl is often the worst (yuck) lol.
@robertballard8833
23 күн бұрын
On some 50s and early 60s records, you can actually see bubbles, and lighter colored craters where the vinyl is separating. Scary.
@guywalker29
Ай бұрын
Lay it on a slab of marble and let em have it with a garden hose using the pinchest nozzle you can find straight down on it and that'll do it. For 78s, Howard Feed & Wax.
@davevandemark6586
4 ай бұрын
In a post I just made, I said, " I went on-line to see if my unit is made any more and it doesn't appear to be, but others are" That was in reference to the anti-static air gun.
@77MovieFan
2 ай бұрын
Great video, still considering buying a Degritter but I already have a cheap ultrasonic cleaner and a Levar Twin which is very similar to the Clearaudio Double Matrix. Levar Twin gets in every groove with their liquid I guess but IMO it is not getting the dirt out efficient enough. Happy that I bought the Levar and not the more expensive Clearaudio because I founda dealer who cleans everything with the Clearaudio and their records sounded as shitty as mine, so the Clearaudio isn´t working much better with difficult records. Degritter is getting the dirt out but getting into every groove all around the record is very difficult, will need multible tempts. Pure out of logic I would say something like a Keith Monks Prodigy Deluxe should do better because it really gets in EVERY groove, but is it really enough? No clue Another legdown would be the side after side cleaning, I really like my Levar Twin for doing both side, gets the job done really quickly. My guess would be, starting with a Degritter cleaning, then going into ghe grooves again with a Keith Monks and finishing it of with a Levar Twin will work the best, but this would be very expensive just for cleaning. If you have a huge collection then it might still be a solution. I highly consider it now OR I´m buying a new cartridge with the capability of my Clearaudio Goldfinger but not as critical when it comes to noise. My Goldfinger really is a diva when it comes to this, extremely sensitive, maybe other brands to this better, no clue yet
@paulfisher4660
18 күн бұрын
when using the glue, cover with saran wrap, will give a more 'solid' material to pull against.
@Fontsman-14
4 ай бұрын
Over 30 years ago, there used to be a liquid PVC record cleaner. You applied it and once dried, peeled it off. Unfortunately, when you then played the record, there would be residue PVC debris build up on the sylus from the cleaner. So I abandoned using it.
@gabrielgaino9576
Ай бұрын
Good work! Can you do a test with detergent and water? Afterwards let it dry naturally. Thanks!
@alkebulansan
Ай бұрын
That Audioquest brush is brilliant. I use it whilst spinning the record, giving 3 or 4 wipes after letting the record rotate 4 times for each wipe. It removes so much. Seriously good value for 25 quid! Have you reviewed the Humminguru? Any thoughts?
@redpill4431
4 ай бұрын
Been playing records for years and always look after them and never suffered from many clicks and pops .
@PursuitPerfectSystem
4 ай бұрын
That’s the whole point of looking after them but if you buy them used then it’s the Wild West, to be fair new ones as well
@mymixture965
4 ай бұрын
Great video, it has good information in it, thanks for doing that.
@bimmer100timc
Ай бұрын
I send my records to Perfecr Vinyl Forever for a true lab grade cleaning using their Archival 4.1 SMF process which is their newest cleaning process. Worth every penny and makes ultrasonic cleaners inferior. I know because I’ve owned 4 different high end ultrasonic cleaners and nothing compares to PvF 4.1SMF. Albeit most my collection has been done with their 3.0 archival process. I plan to send my favorites back to them to do the 4.1 SMF process. It’s that good. ❤❤😊 Also use MA recordings sleeve to prevent static and scratch’s. Far better than poly sleeves of all kind. And use furutech anti stat III to treat one time before using the sleeves. Done deal.
@brucermarino
4 ай бұрын
Thanks for a great video. What if you got a test record with groves end it before and after sampling. The testing would not be so much with the microscope but rather listening and recording and comparing? Just a thought. Thanks again!
@ajc4477
Ай бұрын
I've just done a search and I can't find anything that pertains to silicone mould making rubber. You can thicken it's viscosity with additives and you can also buy fast cure. It does trap bubbles which can be a problem but it can be degassed. I really think it may work and I'd love to see the results under a microscope.
@erwindewit4073
4 ай бұрын
Thank you for doing this. And doing it WELL! I've been playing records all my life. But nobody has ever done a thorough type of test so far, so I'd just done what everybody does. That Audioquest brush is interesting. The only thing I still wonder whether the ultrasonic cleaning can be done more affordably.. Getting a cleaning machine that costs as much as the turntable itself seems a bit much.. But this, I can work with!
@PursuitPerfectSystem
4 ай бұрын
I think the most affordable ultrasonic commercial unit is the Humminguru
@erwindewit4073
4 ай бұрын
@@PursuitPerfectSystem Yes, I'm thinking of trying one of those out. Would you be interested in trying it out before perhaps?
@PursuitPerfectSystem
4 ай бұрын
If they sent me one I possibly would but I am not in a position to buy one to test it, I have other things I interested to focus on more for my own peronal interest journey.
@erwindewit4073
4 ай бұрын
@@PursuitPerfectSystem Yes, i fully understand that. I am very much looking forward to your next step to be honest 😄
@Hi-FiChess
4 ай бұрын
If you use pva glue to clean tiny crevices of anything you have to put it on very thick so there aren't any thin spots that remain when peeled off. For albums you need to carefully put up a "tape wall" so it doesn't flow onto the label. Lastly the thinner formulas work a lot better at getting in smaller grooves.
@welshjs
2 ай бұрын
I’m d like to see more focus on the USC to see what to most effective method of applying surfactants.
@sergiolopez-pf6tx
Ай бұрын
Hi, I love your curiosities, but now I would like you to prove I am wrong about LP cleaning, more especially Picture Disc. I have tried a new way never seen before anywhere. My methodology consists in put salt cooking butter and spread over the disc, with a micro brush, I spread even further and after a good scrubbing I put some fairy liquid and spread it over the record, scrubbing some more time and finally rinse with warm water and dry with a towel. Never my records were clean like they are now. Believe me! Prove me I am wrong.😊 Sergio from Upper Norwood
@kvrhifi
4 ай бұрын
Very insightful. Thank you.
@larryhoffman7471
4 ай бұрын
Can’t remember, but did you try the vacuum type record cleaners? I’m sure many would like to see you compare possibly the newly upgraded Record Doctor to the Degritter.The glue method is one that most of us probably aren’t seriously considering, but vacuum type cleaners like VPI etc have been around for many years, and are used by many audiophiles. So those two would be an interesting comparison.
@bgroovin1343
4 ай бұрын
I wish you could do the same analysis of my cleaning method to compare it to the Degitter. I'll put it below in case you decide to do more comparisons in the future. 1. Cleaning mixture: 1 gallon of distilled water with 20 drops of Tergikleen and approximately 2 tablespoons of 99% isopropyl alcohol. 2. I use 2 Vinyl Styl manual cleaners, which are similar to the Knosti Disco-Antistat cleaner (goat hair brushes). 3. In the first cleaner with the mixture; 5 revolutions of the record clockwise and 5 revolutions anti-clockwise. Let the extra solution drip off into the container when finished. 4. Put record in second cleaner with only distilled water. Repeat the revolutions. 5. Dry with a vinyl-vac. I place the record on a lazy susan that has a record mat on it and I mounted a wooden dowel for the center hole Let air dry a bit more before packaging. I normally clean 8-12 records at a time due to fluid cleanliness and time. All records get cleaned , even new. I use a similar carbon fiber brush and Milty Zerostat before each play. It all seems to work pretty good. I also catalog my records into Discogs when they get their initial cleaning.
@PursuitPerfectSystem
4 ай бұрын
That would probably work very similar but I don’t have all the bits to test it and it’s a lot of money to buy all that in. It’s cheaper for you to buy the scope and test it for yourself :)
@viderethevaccinatorfromhol7536
5 күн бұрын
But, my friend, you missed the best way to clean a record: vacuuming. I use both methods in a vinyl washing routine. First, I use an ultrasonic cleaner, and then I vacuum the still-wet record. All dirt is gone. Then, the records pass through an industrial-like anti-static wall blower or the handheld DeStat. For me, this is the best way. Vacuuming is important. I also use a microscope but mainly for checking my styluses.
@gdwlaw5549
4 ай бұрын
I use carpet cleaner from a spray tin. It lifts off the grit!
@rufus_the_cat
2 ай бұрын
Hi Sir! I would love to see if soaking a record would hydrate the little chucks in the groove and soften them enough so that they would be removed easier.
@Headsign
19 күн бұрын
I wonder how a Nagaoka roller would perform in the microscope test.
@ChristopherSchaub1
4 ай бұрын
You should get some 99% isopropyl and directly apply, then clean with a mix of distilled, isopropyl and triton x100, and then distilled rinse, each step vacuumed off with a vpi 16.5. I find 99% really loosens up the stubborn dust in the grooves. The secret is to vacuum it off . I find it more effective than tergitol and other approaches, even ultrasonic. But realize static electricity will immediately pull dust onto the record, so you need an air purifier and humidifier to keep static down.
@neps4th
2 ай бұрын
Using a piece of glass backed with black paper: clean and walk it around the room to determine how much airborne dust settles over short time intervals.
@middleearthltd
3 ай бұрын
Been looking at various cleaning alternatives +1 to a label protector but not alcohol So far highly diluted Dawn or Simple Green hand washing and rinsing with distilled water sounds best post cleaning when played Not saying it is the best method but for me the best and most silent sound I don’t have any cleaning machines so I may just get a microscope and look 👀 I have your results for comparison Microfiber cloths and a dedicated record cleaning pad for setting the record down during cleaning with super soft brush or soft sponge … still figuring it out Use nitrile gloves But I need to get a microscope like you have to really know other than the sound improvement Might get a record vac wand for in between use Use the same method for the CDs except swipe out rather than around Regardless this was an excellent video
@royhuijsmans6117
Ай бұрын
Well done, very thorough!
@agentblue52
Ай бұрын
For really dirty records, I use diluted dishwashing liquid, a 3M microfiber cloth, tap water. For last rinse, distilled water.
@johngardner9227
4 ай бұрын
Well I wasn't looking forward to watching this video but I enjoyed it. I was thinking prior to watching here we go someone with little experience talking bull but I was completely wrong. I found the video to be interesting with unbiased objectivity and I learned something so thank you. I shouldn't have been surprised really as I've always found your reviews to be honest with unbiased objectivity. It would be good to see you tackle the controversial subject of stylus cleaners in the future, in particular the subject of the polymer cleaners which you dip your stylus into to remove debris. Thanks again
@PursuitPerfectSystem
4 ай бұрын
Thanks very much, yes stylus cleaners is on my agenda to look at. Especially after seeing the super close up shots I got and how much dust there is going on
@Miersemann
4 ай бұрын
Maybe an idea to use an antistatic device, like the zerostat 3, before the wet cleaning. I clean my records by hand with the Knosti machine and I get better cleaning results when I use the Zerostat 3 before wet cleaning the record.
@PursuitPerfectSystem
4 ай бұрын
I was under the impression that wet cleaning was anti static already? I did test this in my last video but that was after the whole process. Thanks I will give it a try and see what happens
@shaunmk
4 ай бұрын
interesting... i dont own top like kit...basically cant afford it.. i have a 2nd hand spin clean...use the solution...but i also make my own ...distilled water, few drops of washing up and a cap full of 99% iso..i seem to have half decent outcomes..i sometimes think some people go over board trying to achieve the ultimate end result...but im not a purist...but again, great video, well done
@faustus67
4 ай бұрын
It would be interesting to compare the ultrasonic cleaner to the vacuum based record cleaning machine.Ultrasonic are more expensive, so it would be good to see if they are worth the investment.
@johnb6723
4 ай бұрын
Those tiny white marks that remained and were non-removable that could not be seen with the naked eye are likely either flaws in the production or a symptom of record wear over time.
@CésarRubio-w1n
4 ай бұрын
Also, brush after ultra sonic for daily use
@revelry1969
4 ай бұрын
I use a kirmuss machine. It’s pretty darn good.
@aurynaichi7030
4 ай бұрын
Lol all i've been using is a mircrofibre cloth and a wet cloth for removing pizza stuff. I'm only messing around the edges of the LP world with 50s and 60s 10" and 12" - now those have some serious filth issues!
@antonyharding5360
4 ай бұрын
Love it terry , fair play to you..❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤
@hoobsgroove
4 ай бұрын
I think when you put it in your cleaning fluid you need to leave it a bit longer 2 minutes say and use some alcohol 20% 99%isopropanol not other alcohols!!! can damage vinyl. another chemical you can use is vinyl clean use for your car vinyl there's one called vinyl groom, u can get it from Halfords,I find it works remarkably well leave it on for about 2 to 3 minutes use a painter's painting pad or sponge to apply. another thing when you're lightly dusting wet the brush don't just go around with it dry! that makes a huge difference. if you want to remove the PVA glue you need to soak it in some soapy water probably an hour, or let it go around in the sonic without any sonic on, sonic can damage the records if done too much and for too long, that's not something you're going to see under that microscope, using better lights and or maybe a blue light ultraviolet-B might give you better results. don't use a sterilising ultraviolet-A dangerous to the eyes and skin. ues something like for checking money. give that vinyl cleaner foam a go I'd like to see the results,,?? and don't forget wet your brushes when dusting.
@PursuitPerfectSystem
4 ай бұрын
I haven tried wetting brushes, I can see why that might be a good thing and will give that a try next time I have all the gear out to properly test it.
@hoobsgroove
4 ай бұрын
@@PursuitPerfectSystem ok don't forget to give that vinyl cleaner ago it's great for removing stubborn dirt oils and grease it won't do any harm to the vinyl record. try on a record you don't care about and you should get instant results, make sure you rinse it off afterwards so don't just put it on rinse it off with distilled water or deionised water.
@jedi-mic
4 ай бұрын
That has been used in the industry for decades vinyl groom, But in Halfords its now called auto groom!
@3frenchtoast3
4 ай бұрын
Can you please do one on a Vacuum cleaning machine. I have the project vce2 and think it does a great job but now I'd love to see it under that microscope
@thewoofer7955
4 ай бұрын
Very interesting and useful. Watched to the end. I've often wondered about the effectiveness of these products. Keep up the great work.
@D3athW1ng
4 ай бұрын
I actually pulled out some popcorn around midway... best, through explanation with a why and how to boot ... 🥲
@joefoo9871
4 ай бұрын
Hello You did a fantastic presentation . I am using all the methods and cleaning fluid you mention and all of my (2000)records are very clean. . There are may be five of them has a problem that I cannot figured out. These are all second hand records. There is a tiny dirt of yellowing color not larger than a coffee grind. Other parts of the record are clean. I tried using Record Doctor, AI Audio Intelligent fluid, Dust brush and DiscWasher brush The dirt stays. Typically it only three rotations of the record so it is bearable. These five records are from different previous owners. I will try my ultrasonic machine later. Any thoughts? Thanks
@SiemsMarley
2 ай бұрын
Thank you for this!!!!
@mrdougefresh
4 ай бұрын
Love the video. Thank you. Seeing the dust and the grooves under the microscope was amazing. Have you seen the Michael Fremer, Mike from The In-Groove and another guy (can’t remember his name but it’s his video) discussing ultrasonic cleaning and whether tergitol is good/bad for your records vs just distilled water? Would love to see you test this and see what story the microscope tells! Just a couple of observations on your video. I’m sure someone has already brought this up. Curious and why you didn’t use gloves with the glue test or put it down on the microfiber towel was it just for dramatic effect to clean it, standing up, trying to balance a record on your other hand? It distracted a bit from the experiment and your expertise. Also, I would’ve loved to have seen the Good Morning Vietnam cleaning cycle come full circle. The dirty dancing records provided this same results, but since we started with GMV, I was already a little invested in how dirty that record was. Anyway, those are minor things so thank you again. This was great. Look forward to watching you some more!
@PursuitPerfectSystem
4 ай бұрын
Yeah I watched all that about tergikleen but apart from theory and opinion there was nothing factual about it to say one way or another so I am running with it and whatever happens happens. I have tested with and without it and I think it cleans better with that’s listening and under the scope too. I didn’t go full cycle with good morning Vietnam as that was my glue test record, I used both sides so I could test different methods and after seeing the result I wasn’t convinced to play the record and didn’t want to put glue into my degritter so good morning Vietnam is no longer in my collection I will leave it at that :)
@mrdougefresh
4 ай бұрын
That’s right! I forgot that was your glue record. Thanks for the response.
@anthonyb1321
4 ай бұрын
Interesting and informative. However, why do you rinse off your surfactant before the ultrasonic clean? Surely, the surfactant will enable the fluid in the Degritter get deeper into the grooves? Maybe you could try leaving the solution on the record.
@PursuitPerfectSystem
4 ай бұрын
Yeah that is exactly what I thought and was doing that, I showed this in my last video on the topic. Video here NO MORE Pops Clicks & Static on VINYL RECORDS? kzitem.info/news/bejne/zap522WDfaaVZWk. Someone left a detailed message why that is not advised and they seemed to make sense with it so I changed my strategy to this.
@anthonyb1321
4 ай бұрын
@@PursuitPerfectSystem Thanks. I'll check that out.
@kaneda4102
Ай бұрын
I’m interested to know what the white stuff is, dirt is usually dark, unless that is devils dandruff
@PursuitPerfectSystem
Ай бұрын
I don’t think it’s white it’s just to get an image with that much magnification you need a lot of light so your seeing a reflection of the light on something which is not black vinyl. It’s hard to say what it is I didn’t have enough magnification to get close enough
@pwn3426
27 күн бұрын
so basically those of us that can not or refuse to afford a $3000 USD + machine to clean our vinyl is out of luck.
@NackDSP
4 ай бұрын
Study the glue method on some other videos. It need to be applied and brushed into the grooves so it can encapsulate the dust then layered so it is thick and strong enough to come off. I would use four times the amount of glue that you used. Set the record down. Why are you holding it in the air? It seemed you were putting on a show to pretend to make it look difficult. Put the record down. Putting paper around the edge in several places really helps get it off. Waiting too long, I expect the glue gets less flexible. I saw no evidence that you could conclude there was glue left behind as specs on the record as you suggest. I would think that compressed air might help. It would seem we need to determine what the dust is made of and then use the proper chemicals to break it down or separate it from the surface. Dust is part skin cells and part fabric fibers. Each adheres to the PVC differently. Something like a drain cleaner, "won't hurt pipes" might break down organic dust or mold. I read that ultra-sonic cleaners tend to remove vinyl from the record surface as indicated by what is in the wash water. So longer cleaning cycles remove more of the record surface. Accurate testing is extremely difficult to do as there are so many variables to control. Great video. Nice work with the microscope. I have enjoyed using mine. I found that putting glue on a one inch patch of record and looking at the exact same location with the microscope showed nearly perfect cleaning with glue.
@PursuitPerfectSystem
4 ай бұрын
I did study the glue method the guys I watched one held the record which is why I tried that and the other did it on the platter. I was never going to do that. I tried several different applications as a mentioned in the video. The results were mixed for me every time. I think if you only look at one good inch the method looks amazing but over the whole record it didn’t look as effective to me as ultrasonic cleaning which was fully uniform not requiring any specific technique to be perfected to get that result. That was my honest assessment of it. I think if it wasn’t for cost no one would prefer it as a method of cleaning anymore
@NackDSP
4 ай бұрын
@@PursuitPerfectSystem I appreciate the effort. Not only doing something, but recording and publishing it as well! Experiments are incredibly hard to do in a controlled repeatable fashion. A controlled experiment with a statically charged piece of plastic measuring dust levels practically needs a clean room. I usually fail in my work trying to improve my audio, over and over again. It really looks like you didn't get the glue into the groove. I never see any videos where the glue gets carefully brushed into the groove. When I tried it with a really trashed record that I bought at a thrift store there was zero dust left when I looked under the microscope. Zero. Cleaner than how your record looked coming out of the machine. I also have access to a great machine, but I found the glue to work better. You really need a clean room to keep dust off the record in the first place. I also found that poster putty does a good job of removing dust. It is a lot of work to get it warm and mash it into the grooves but it cleaned just about as well as the glue. I am working towards ripping some disks from the 60's and 70's digitally and processing them to remove noise and distortion. It requires a special flat frequency response preamp, high quality A2D and software. You might enjoy looking at the Stereo Lab products at pspacialaudio.com to see how to do the highest quality vinyl rips to digital for archival and restoration purposes.
@TBNTX
3 ай бұрын
Personally, I use a Kirmuss Audio cleaning system. I'm happy it.
@sonicmainliner
4 ай бұрын
That’s really good Terry, but the real question is how do they sound based on the level of cleanliness, the ultimate goal is click free(ish) playback , which method does the job quicker and more efficiently?
@PursuitPerfectSystem
4 ай бұрын
Sound quality for things like timing tone timbre and dynamics etc matter more to me than some pops and clicks but that is going to be related to other things I feel, this is just one area of focus :)
@sonicmainliner
4 ай бұрын
@@PursuitPerfectSystem I am with you, clickless and popless vinyl playback is not achievable as I have mentioned to you before. Btw, I have been using a shoe brush (a soft one) with some Spinclean fluid on used records and the results are impressive on both clicks and clarity fronts, the real secret is to play the record straight after cleaning, while being damp, the needle picks up all the dirt in the groove. Arduous, as you need to dust the needle in between tracks, but worth it
@espeningelarsen8445
4 ай бұрын
Brilliant, thanks!
@tweakerman
4 ай бұрын
Ultrasonic cleaning machines are the best way of cleaning vinyl records & Compact Disc, in my experience 😁
@richardherbert3519
4 ай бұрын
Very very interesting video
@gdwatts7407
4 ай бұрын
Give your records a wet cleaning using a cavitation device with distilled water and capful of fluid that came with your unit.
@rwlodarczyk
4 ай бұрын
Would love to talk to you about an approach that I’ve been thinking about for comparing cleaning methods.
@chrishershey5033
3 ай бұрын
A women’s powder makeup brush. Preferably made of goat hair. Dawn dish liquid, warm water, a soft towel, and air drying works equally as well. Is cheaper and eliminates all the fussing. Don’t believe it? Give it a shot on an unimportant thrift shop record and see for yourself.
@moogoomoogoo5990
4 ай бұрын
The good morning Vietnam record looked like a deep field picture from the Hubble telescope
@PursuitPerfectSystem
4 ай бұрын
😂
@larserikpettersen6658
4 ай бұрын
Degritter is an expensive product…. I’ve got a Vevor myself, about 200€, cleaning 6 records each time and they look cleaner than new every time. Would be interesting to see Degritter vs Vevor? Be aware ultrasonic machines can damage records if there is an air bubble in the vinyl, happening to me a couple of times with the 300 first records.
@zarusobaman7084
Ай бұрын
Vinyl record user: bring me troubles and all the unconvinience. I love problem!
@abba96
4 ай бұрын
Well worth the watch 😀
@PursuitPerfectSystem
4 ай бұрын
Thanks very much, about as good feedback anyone can give
@backrack01
4 ай бұрын
Next up comparison.. Cleaning the stylus! :)
@EddyTeetree
4 ай бұрын
You used de-ionized water in the ultrasonic? Coz it looks like the record was more charged after the wash. Theres one more brush called The Big Brush costing about $45 that seems to test well. Pops n clicks not bother me much unless they actually interfere with the music so…scratches and groove damage tho….Cheers Big Ears 🙂
@PursuitPerfectSystem
4 ай бұрын
I defo used distilled water, I bought loads of it from a large chemicals company - how can a record look more charged? What are the signs of that?
@EddyTeetree
4 ай бұрын
@@PursuitPerfectSystem I woulda thunk that having so much debris on it after a wash would be the indicator? It was only a suggestion as some still adhere to the “nothing wrong with tap water or purified water" philosophy :-) Wanted to add that I recently had to clean about 300 lp that sat in filthy food water here for app. 2 wks. I bought a $1500 USD Knosti Ultra sonic for the job which unfortunately blew up from overuse but (making allowances for their age) the records played without the clicks n pops from dust or dirt and they were putrid even lost some labels however I did run them thru 3 full cycles of 5min ea. and it does inc. a proprietary fluid which is meant to remove any charge. Detractors say that cleaning fluid leaves a film on the record however I detected no sonic change from it and I use nothing else except the carbon-fibre brush as you have. Cheers! Ps you have a very interesting channel.
@PursuitPerfectSystem
4 ай бұрын
I see what you mean, here is the truth of it as soon as you put the record on something the static is going to change, my last video testing showed me that and I noticed that the area I was working in was effecting the static behaviour too - there was nothing I could do about that really as everything was setup multiple cameras about 10 lights so its a full on production that as one man you cant quickly change. But also when you look under the scope its ruthless to the truth that no matter what you do there will be some dust and dirt on your records you just cant see it usually so out of sight out of mind. The super close up video of the stylus I got with the scope showed me, as you can see dust is all up the cantilever which I couldn't see by eye and I had cleaned it only seconds before. Some of this is inevitable I feel but I just want a simple as possible, effective as poss best case practice I can follow time and time again where I feel most confident I have done the best I can with this difficult situation. However making videos about it, testing different things is as much about the viewer as it is me because there are so many opinions and products out there - its chaotic when you think about it, especially to someone new - its alienating. I am just trying to take a fresh look at it and share hopefully useful information.
@net_news
4 ай бұрын
what's the brand/model of the microscope that you are using? It's pretty good!!
@RillenReiner
4 ай бұрын
It looks very much like mine: Andonstar AD407
@PursuitPerfectSystem
4 ай бұрын
There is a link to the scope in my description box - its an affiliate link so shameless plug. Its ok and good for the money but its supposed to be up to 2000x but to get that is not easy, as its designed for slides not really records.
@net_news
4 ай бұрын
@@PursuitPerfectSystem thanks Terry!!! It's much better than mine and It does the trick!! 🙌
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