little do we know we're still in 2016 even now and this is all a simulation
@bella-9428
Жыл бұрын
might be for the best if none of this is real
@ocarstens6045
Жыл бұрын
You’re not wrong and it’s terrifying.
@katiekates4416
Жыл бұрын
Seems legit
@Pbatemanfan
Жыл бұрын
Did not expect Charlie in todays vid
@yggdrasilsaltar
Жыл бұрын
cant believe we’ve entered 2016 7
@hannahhinners4456
Жыл бұрын
It's so crazy to me that Charlie can keep saying "That wasn't his intention" when Ian kept reiterating that his intentions didn't matter, just the results. Imagine sticking up for someone against themself while simultaneously not listening to a word they say.
@ava_marie_v
Жыл бұрын
Right?! Usually the apologizing party doesn't have better takes than the commentary channels, but Ian comes out even better in his apology (to me) because Charlie missed the mark so bad
@arianamiranda3660
Жыл бұрын
Exactly. When I watched Charlie's video I was thinking to myself "did this guy not pay attention to the apology?"
@lacey892
Жыл бұрын
he has not learned that intent doesn't really matter when you're harming others
@Boahemaa
Жыл бұрын
@@ava_marie_v I don't think he missed the mark. I think he revealed himself.
@80s_graffiti
Жыл бұрын
@@Boahemaa absolutely. His fans are over-complicating it and twisting the narrative so he's seen as less guilty. just accept that the dude was in the wrong lmao.
@pyronei
Жыл бұрын
Charlie is definitely talking from a personal perspective here. "I dont think villifying your audience is a good idea" sounds like someone who feels villified.
@xbabu142x
Жыл бұрын
He has a blindness to the age and impact of this stuff. I teach 4th year computational chem section on and off, and I saw the end result impact. Basically various levels of young adults on the spectrum, thinking they were bigots due to finding something funny or worse yet, finding order in something bigoted. Easy enough to solve since I've never had an issue using myself as the example to start an open dialogue about various forms of racism and intent. Honestly after this I can say Anisa truly is his better half haha. Oddly proud of the dude for taking accountability ya know. Seeing emotional growth is a beautiful thing 😁
@jamesconlin5099
Жыл бұрын
You sound offended its pathetic
@littlegreencap28
Жыл бұрын
I was thinking the same thing! Ian calling out the kind of person he was when making those videos and the kind of people who enjoyed those videos would feel like an attack if you were one of those people. If Charlie is someone who still feels like those videos are cool and valid, Ian even implying that that would make you racist would be really uncomfortable for Charlie to accept and appreciate.
@kwelikaley
Жыл бұрын
I came here to say this, and I shouldn’t be surprised a bunch of other people have the same take. 😂 Charlie is defending himself from his own guilt. I feel like everything he says in both videos makes a lot more sense from that perspective.
@FrancisFabricates
Жыл бұрын
Yuuuup
@user-mh7db7ei1s
Жыл бұрын
The thing that’s so bizarre to me is how Charlie insists that “this was okay back then” when I distinctly remember a lot of people calling Ian and other content creators out for this type of behavior. This was roughly the same time that Jeffree Star got exposed (again) for being anti-black, and Kat Von D for being antisemitic. Sounds like Charlie was and still is incredibly removed from this topic
@obbinss
Жыл бұрын
the way he phrases it makes it sound like this happened in the 40s when it was in 2016 😭
@klopez7160
Жыл бұрын
It was okay back then because bigots weren’t called out, but minority groups were obviously not ok with it. I remember being in 6th grade 2016, and honestly that year was the scariest for me as a kid, it’s where I realized I am in fact a minority that I wasn’t a kid to everyone just ‘another Mexican’ (this was during the 2016 election, etc.)
@asterling4
Жыл бұрын
@@klopez7160 every nonwhite kid has had that moment i think. the first "othering", the moment when _you_ realize how they see you. childhood was so not fun sometimes 🙃
@feyrie
Жыл бұрын
Dang, I thought you meant 2004 KZitem. Cause I can say with certainty, a crapload of awful stuff was being put on the front page as popular videos to watch, and the comment sections were overloaded with fans. 2016 is absolutely a time where these things were not okay and definitely being called out. Isn’t it also the time frame of cancelling and exposing people really popular too?
@SoManyRandomRamblings
Жыл бұрын
Sadly think it might reveal some of his own beliefs
@AnotherQueer
Жыл бұрын
Telling someone not to apologise is also invalidating their growth. Ian clearly had his - valid - reasons to apologise. To me the video seemed concise and genuine. I don’t know, I just think it’s so strange of Charlie to essentially tell a grown man that he shouldn’t take responsibility for his actions. Weird take.
@AnotherQueer
Жыл бұрын
And personally, the autism related ableism hits a bit too close to home. The type of dudes that would watch him were the exact ones who mocked me for my autism.
@tsuki3752
Жыл бұрын
@@AnotherQueer me too. i didn’t know i had autism at the time but i never watched ian’s videos because they made me uncomfortable. seeing them again after knowing i have autism is honestly wild.
@dirk1592
Жыл бұрын
@@AnotherQueer Agreed and wonderfully said! I'm a nonverbal autistic person, and I relate to the highschool and middleschool boys mocking me for it. It sucks but I hope you're doing better :)
@maisieharris5864
Жыл бұрын
I totally agree!! Ian has grown and learned. It feels rude of Charlie to dismiss this change. Ian also first hand saw the misogyny he was pushing affecting his romantic partner and understood it was a problem. I am glad he made a change in his content and apologized; he definitely needed to make his new views clear.
@ChristopherSadlowski
Жыл бұрын
I looked up Charlie because, while I know of him, I don't know him or any of his content. He's a 28-year-old white dude from Florida, so there's a lot going on right there alone. I spent a year in Florida in college and had to come back to New Jersey after a year because the people down there are...a trip is putting it lightly. Plus, the education I was getting was going over things I had learned in middle school, so I wasn't gathering much new information. Charlie has a LOT of growing up to do IN MY OPINION. He needs to get out there and see some of the world and the different kinds of people in it, he needs to talk to them, he needs to see just how bad it can be for some people, and he needs to learn why certain things are so upsetting to various groups. I'm getting very "sheltered middle class white kid" energy from him. You know, reading things and watching videos online can teach you SOME things, but it also exacerbates some pretty huge blind spots; I think Charlie needs to get out a little more and expand his horizons. I get THE FEELING he spends way, WAY too much time in his house talking to a computer rather than real people. But that's just my opinion on the extremely limited knowledge I have. I can only extrapolate based on my observations of kids like Charlie that I've gathered from my lived experience.
@ChivalrousBatman
Жыл бұрын
The most honest thing Charlie said in his whole video “I don’t want to believe idubbbz was racist”. That’s it. That was the whole video.
@TheZombifiedGuy
Жыл бұрын
Yeah that was the moment where it clicked for me. The video makes a lot more sense if you view it through the lens of Charlie trying to justify liking idubbbz's content at the time, or participating in that problematic culture himself. Of course he doesn't want to believe he was enjoying racist content. But there are ways to process that other than publicizing your internal conflict, leading to your own take overshadowing the apology itself. I agree with D'Angelo that there's (hopefully) no nefarious intent here, but then that was kind of the point of the apology in the first place. People can't reliably intuit someone's intent, and if it has the same effect as what you say you didn't intend, you have to own up to that.
@charliemayfilms1550
Жыл бұрын
@@TheZombifiedGuy Exactlyyyy. I feel that's definetly his perspective where he's coming from, but because Charlie makes so much fucking content, and that's kind of his thing, it backfired like D'Angelo said. He didn't take time to reflect on it for himself, and he defenitely should have done so before commentating on it.
@maydaymemer4660
Жыл бұрын
You guys are so judgmental jesus christ if you could use this same energy to vote for anything other than centrist boomers maybe youd get some police reform
@amorelockster1023
Жыл бұрын
No Fr I was side eyeing the whole video like wtf
@psychedelicpegasus7587
Жыл бұрын
@@TheZombifiedGuy Yes, exactly. This is what went through my mind when watching, but I didn't have the words to articulate it.
@usdepartmentoftreasuryinte6052
Жыл бұрын
idubbz: "im sorry for bringing harm to a lot of the black community" some white person: "i dont think you did actually" god bless the internet
@LittleMizzJonas
Жыл бұрын
LMFAOOO 💀💀💀
@sari9645
Жыл бұрын
This is what killed me. He’s a cishet white man. It wasn’t his apology to accept
@joshuabailey6246
Жыл бұрын
He didnt tho
@manolgeorgiev9664
Жыл бұрын
@@sari9645 dude is so white that he mainly wears purely white shirts. The only way he can get whiter is if he was an albino!
@xcostelle
Жыл бұрын
@@joshuabailey6246 I was 11 in 2016, I had to switch schools because of white boys calling me the hard er. When confronted about it they used Ian in their short lists of reasons why it’s “actually ok” and “not racist.” You not experiencing the impact of something doesn’t erase it from happening to others.
@minechatz
Жыл бұрын
i'm jewish, and in hs during 2016 i have distinct memories of hearing people make oven jokes about me, and when i was upset, being told it was just edgy humor, and i was overly sensitive. charlie's notion that edgy humor was apolitical is fucking insane.
@celigalaxii
Жыл бұрын
I'm not Jewish, but I got asked and accused of being so almost daily. It was awful, and I can't imagine what someone who is Jewish went through. Sending you so much love, this era of the internet hurt so many people, including the impressionable kids who learned to be hateful because of this era.
@ruddiko
Жыл бұрын
He wants to defend freedom of speech at all costs which I agree with you, insane and bigoted too
@MinorKey135
Жыл бұрын
@@ruddiko Hate speech is never free speech. It is a form of violence that also inhibits a person’s liberty
@Handles_be_dumb
Жыл бұрын
Freedom of speech goes both ways. We have every right to criticise Charlie and call the old videos bigoted.
@Hideyoshi1991
Жыл бұрын
I'm also Jewish, and edgy humor is apolitical, what people often don't understand is that it's not for everyone and that's ok. Certain jokes don't really belong outside of friend groups, and no using slurs is not edgy.
@fricka4798
Жыл бұрын
the thing about the n word 'disempowerment' excuse is that the people using that word because of that video definitely werent thinking 'i want to make it so this word is meaningless so it never hurts anyone again☺💕' it was 'finally i have an excuse to use this word for my own selfish reasons'
@cjgg4885
Жыл бұрын
Exactly, all these stupid ass comments saying that everyone against slurs are sheltered and need to see the real world, yet mindlessly accept any bs reason racists use to say slurs. Literally one of the first lessons I was taught when I was younger was that people lie and I should be wary of it.
@SanjaSleipnir
Жыл бұрын
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@magical571
8 ай бұрын
@@FallingApart9206 you are making a bad faith argument here. First of, nobody is "policing" you in your personal life. wanna be your real inner ass at home, good for you lol. a platform is different. And the fact that racism exists everywhere doesn't make it any less bad? what are you trying to say here? that we should just give up and accept it unless we can absolutely and completely erradicate it? robbery and homicide exists everywhere just be ok with it don't move a finger?. The little we can do or say about it is better than setting the bar so low. And changing the subject to the "owning" of words is such a sidestep honestly, cause you clearly already took your conclusion: people should be ok with slurs no matter what or else we'll be "cavemen". i myself won't answer that since i'm not black, but i don't think you truly care. What if they were to tell you it's ok since it's "reclaiming" the word? I've heard that argument, and something tells me you would be trying to invalidate it not because of any real nuance, but because you just want to be careless and racist at your own pace "if black people can say it, i should be able too mommy. i'm the rational one u guys".
@TheresaIvy-x6c
5 ай бұрын
I take offense to anyone using the "n" word and that includes blacks. I'm not a believer in taking the power out of or reclaiming the word as a word of brothership among black, mostly men. Regular usage in my opinion, doesn't take the power out of a word, it may become commonplace but for the group that slur is used against still feel the same sting it's meant to cause. Also, how do you reclaim something that never belong to you (thank God) and was only meant to degrade and humiliate. At the end of Spike Lee's film School Daze, a character yells out as loud as he can "”Wake Up". That call out was made for everyone to hear.
@galaxychill9578
4 ай бұрын
worstie, you're not black, so shut the f up
@kysell
Жыл бұрын
imagine apologizing to your friend for hurting them and your other friend who has nothing to do with it goes “it really wasn't that deep fr” that's basically this whole situation 😭 EDIT: stop trying to defend ians past actions in my replies, it's cringe
@victoriousgray5479
Жыл бұрын
YEAH
@Dark0W7
Жыл бұрын
he has a history of downplaying very serious things kzitem.infoUgkxFs23uBIMrY68WR9SNzvF5OXgggOQs4SK?feature=share8
@hoorah92
Жыл бұрын
its more like someone apologizing for saying "hey POS stop being a POS" and another friend saying yeah you probably could have said it better but that they did have it coming
@Lucifersfursona
Жыл бұрын
- all liberal discussion when someone who looks like they do takes accountability - have been through that personally. It makes you get real hostile and lose a sense of good faith real fast. Now good faith is a switch I have to actively flick on 🙃
@yuhyuhyuhyuj
Жыл бұрын
that is not this situation at all critikal can give his opinions about whatever the fuck he wants to
@ethanb4489
Жыл бұрын
it’s crazy how idubbbz gave actual examples of how he’s affected people and how a trans kid literally told him ‘i know you hate trans people but can i have a picture’ yet charlie still said ‘it’s not that bad’. also the argument that it was the ‘culture’ is stupid. that’s like saying the KKK has the right to kill black people because it’s part of their culture.
@maxs-lz4pn
Жыл бұрын
Ah yes because bigotry is just a product of it's time (the time in question being all of history)
@nathanbrisebois8756
Жыл бұрын
And that fact that he can admit that the culture was bad boggles my mind that he disagrees with idubz role in spreading that bad culture.
@FATHERBATZ
Жыл бұрын
the most painful part? the worst thing charlie had to say about ian’s slur use was that it was edgy. not racist, ignorant, insensitive, cruel, egregious, or even mean. the worst he had to say about ian constantly throwing the hard R around was that it was “edgy.” that’s fucking crazy
@ma.2089
Жыл бұрын
Exactly. We need to acknowledge the past’s misdeeds to make sure the present and future changes. If we just excuse it with “it’s the past” and “it was the culture” then it’s not helping anything. Sure we understand that we can’t fault them as much due to ignorance, but there’s a diff between excuses and understanding, but not absolving.
@KrazyGrey
Жыл бұрын
@@FATHERBATZ yes. Let’s be honest.. Charlie is incredibly biased since it’s idubbzz. If this were Tana Mongeou or anyone else ChRlie doesn’t consider a peer/friend, I am convinced that Charlie would be on “this” side
@jaymeelaws1139
Жыл бұрын
I am 51 years old and I went to school in the 80s. At that time, I was taught by my mother as a young white girl in Idaho of all places, that the N word was absolutely not ok EVER. I was raised to be very aware of not being racist (although as a white person I obviously don’t always get it right). I had 5 children and the oldest one graduated in 2016, and I raised them not to be racist, and to never say the N word. I absolutely do not get all these problematic KZitemrs with their “it was a different time” and they’re not talking about 1970, they’re talking about 2015. What? Please. Everyone knew better. Unless you were raised in a cave, you KNEW BETTER. Such a stupid excuse.
@jameztheartist3893
Жыл бұрын
Problem with this argument is that your assuming everyone had the same teachings as you, which is impossible
@jameztheartist3893
Жыл бұрын
@@Noahvlogssometimes by that logic, it should be no ones job to educate them on topics such as this
@ingussyslayer
Жыл бұрын
@@jameztheartist3893 youre right, this is nobody elses job to educate them on these topics. its their own. if a GROWN ADULT doesnt want to educate themselves on this type of stuff when information on it is easier to access than ever, then thats on them, but their lack of education (or lack of DESIRE to educate themselves) absolutely does NOT excuse them from perpetuating harmful ideas, saying slurs, etc. People can still be held accountable for doing this shit regardless, and youtubers like Idubbbz shouldn't be excused from their behavior or the effect they had on their very impressionable audiences because "they didnt know any better" or "it was acceptable back then". In the end, a lot of awful behavior was normalized and even encouraged by the culture they helped develop on youtube/the internet and them "not knowing any better" does not make them any less responsible for their actions or change the negative effects that resulted from them.
@pollatin1052
10 ай бұрын
@@Noahvlogssometimes I must admit. What a horrible take. If you shouldn't educate someone just because he is an adult, the world would never change.
@LeBatteur
9 ай бұрын
@@pollatin1052 You can only educate someone if they want to learn, and unfortunately a lot of people aren’t coming to the table with good intentions. Obviously not everyone reacts well to suddenly finding out they’ve been wrong and even harmful- but a good person will think about it and try to be better.
@homunculusgrey2921
Жыл бұрын
One thing i appreciate about his apology is the fact he did it on his on volition. It wasn't a "oh shit im in trouble, lets give a half ass apology." Hes holding himself accountable when he didn't have to.
@trash.pandaaa
Жыл бұрын
I think this was a huge point too. It came off as way more authentic than a "I'm scared of cancel culture pls don't come at me" apology
@rfldss89
Жыл бұрын
I was thinking the same thing, and it is true to some extent, but people were already calling out idubbbz and other creators on this kind of content back then too, and that didn't make them want to apologize. To me, its not that he came to the realisation by himself without any backlash, but that he got criticised for it, dismissed the criticisms, then years later came to recognise that actually, maybe people were right in calling him out. I'm happy he's acknowledging the damage he did and that it didn't come as a reaction to some recent contreversy. That shows personal growth and reflection. But it's not like he didn't get called out for it back then either.
@michigo_
Жыл бұрын
Reminds me of how Jenna apologized and took action without being pushed to as well :’ I miss her
@hypatiakovalevskayasklodow9195
Жыл бұрын
I know, I kept thinking that the part where he says what made him do this will come up - but it didn’t
@joshuabailey6246
Жыл бұрын
Lowkey it did feel like it was forced. He droped it after getting bombarded with criticism for his froggy vid and i seen on twitter people were calling him out for saying the nword and making content cop.
@jaendhoe3962
Жыл бұрын
it's INSANE for someone to hear "i made a mistake i am truly sorry for the racism, sexism and transphobia i fostered in the past that hurt anyone in these communities" and then say "hey man! don't apologize! it didn't hurt ME!"
@tr4ksosa
Жыл бұрын
Like hello???? I truly want to know what he was thinking….
@roosvanamerongen8043
Жыл бұрын
This comment sums up the video perfectly. I get secondhand embarrassment from all of his words.
@AutismGaming489
Жыл бұрын
Bro, his “bigotry” was only a small fraction of his content.
@fishblub5443
Жыл бұрын
@@AutismGaming489 the fact that iDubbbz apologized means it was prevalent enough for even him to be ashamed.
@neryn9020
Жыл бұрын
@@AutismGaming489 And your point is?
@mavohq
Жыл бұрын
love how idubbbz apology basically said “no matter what my intentions were what i did was wrong and i should apologize for it” and charlie still comes up with “you don’t have to apologize because you didn’t have bad intentions” like he didn’t even watch the video
@spectralumbra1568
Жыл бұрын
Seriously. Imagine someone poisons a well to get rid of parasites in the water, a bunch of people get sick and die after drinking the poisoned water, and afterwards someone says, "well, your intentions weren't bad, so you shouldn't apologize for it."
@Ava-km7tl
Жыл бұрын
Literally this. Like did he even watch it?
@uniquenewyork3325
Жыл бұрын
It hurts my head so bad. Most of the things he said are either about idubbz not having bad intentions (as if he never learned that intention doesn't matter when you hurt people) or comparing slurs to like, bombing a public arena so the slurs seem like nothing in comparison. Bro, just because it isn't the worst thing you can do doesn't mean he shouldn't apologize???
@mydogeatspuke
Жыл бұрын
@@spectralumbra1568 why were they drinking from someone else's well in the first place? "I'm sorry that you stealing from me resulted in you getting sick and dying, maybe you should have asked so I could tell you it was poisoned."
@coldeed
Жыл бұрын
That's called disagreeing. Unlike a lot of people that are genuinely very stupid, 99.9% if people understood that both what Ian used to say was a joke, and that it would be inappropriate if it wasn't a joke. Like genuinely you can't have a fucking opinion about anything seriously without someone potentially responding badly to it. It'd be like me leaving and incredibly hateful comment because I don't like the one that you put and then blaming you for the hate that I choose to bring into the mix with my own decisions. That is literally what being offended by something is.
@sagarroy8679
Жыл бұрын
idubbbz: I’m sorry, gays, blacks, and tana mongeau charlie: ur all good bro 👍
@cheesemanthe2nd
Жыл бұрын
We didn't need an apology
@cheesemanthe2nd
Жыл бұрын
Tana literally admitted she deserved it
@shumishu6019
Жыл бұрын
Actually it was more “why are you apologizing? cringe”
@shumishu6019
Жыл бұрын
@@cheesemanthe2nd we don’t gaf about tana wtf 😭😆
@Twink6629-lg3te
11 ай бұрын
@@cheesemanthe2ndno, “you” didnt. It wasn’t for you.
@Fimpurities
Жыл бұрын
It just feels weird to look at a dude, who’s apologizing for bad behavior, and go “don’t say sorry” Like???
@lisamujo287
Жыл бұрын
Literally!!!
@ddjsoyenby
Жыл бұрын
agreed like you don't need to give your two cents on every video.
@Fimpurities
Жыл бұрын
@@ddjsoyenby nah, I’m all for people giving their opinions on anything they please, the issue comes with how dumb his take was
@lowlowseesee
Жыл бұрын
only racism can do this lol. charlie and anyone with no stance when the world is burning lolol
@chantell209
Жыл бұрын
That’s called” you’re being manipulated “
@averageceilingenjoyer
Жыл бұрын
it was so satisfying to see idubbbz's apology not take a bad turn
@maxs-lz4pn
Жыл бұрын
I was definitely waiting for the other shoe to drop but it never did
@bt-eg8xu
Жыл бұрын
he definitely lost quite a few 'OG fans' but we all know that we should've said good riddance to those ppl a LONG time ago
@pyroratt
Жыл бұрын
@@bt-eg8xu those "og fans" are better of not being on the internet to be fair.
@siohunndai
Жыл бұрын
i kept pausing the video because i couldn't handle how hard i was anticipating some weird bs
@p.darker5306
Жыл бұрын
It did and he lied but you guys eat that shit up don’t ya
@alexs.5871
Жыл бұрын
One of the biggest issues I have with Charlie's take of not holding someone accountable for horrible shit because they were just a 'product of their time/environment' is where do you draw the line? You could make that excuse for literally anybody and anything.
@MangInutil
Жыл бұрын
Seriously, any era of our time is way too recent to be okay
@thegnome73
Жыл бұрын
100% Bad stuff is bad at any time. Just cause people could get away with more bs in broader culture at that time doesn't make it ok
@8LyJu8
Жыл бұрын
It also denies the fact that even back then there were people who knew it was wrong and fought against it (like the abolitionist John Brown)
@yukiandkanamekuran
Жыл бұрын
Yeah fr it was less than a decade ago .....
@Tatertwat05
Жыл бұрын
i mean, cultural relativism is a concept for a reason
@leagaillard755
Жыл бұрын
GodDAMMIT the one time we get a heartfelt and seemingly genuine apology from a youtuber that addresses their wrongdoings, doesn't victimise themself AND has active plans on how to do better and people won't let him apologise????
@SigmaFroid
10 ай бұрын
💀
@Supermariosupervideo
9 ай бұрын
you're not obligated to accept an apology especially when it's riddled in N-Words
@steavenmoore9662
7 ай бұрын
@@SupermariosupervideoI thought the same thing but I believe the OC was referring to Charlie taking the opportunity to “veto” (for lack of better word) Ian’s apology. Not the people who are just over Ian completely. I can’t be certain though.
@Supermariosupervideo
7 ай бұрын
@@steavenmoore9662 yeah but still iDubbbz is highly responsible for popularizing racism, lots of reason you wouldnt accept him
@steavenmoore9662
7 ай бұрын
@@Supermariosupervideo agreed... I think you missed my point. All I was saying was that your interpretation of the original comment might be incorrect. I think the commenter was saying “the one time we get a decent KZitemr apology, Charlie has the gull to reverse it.”
@ikhnatonosiris7166
Жыл бұрын
"I a straight cis white man would like to speak on behalf of marginalised groups and claim that the bigotry they experienced from idubbz is no big deal and doesn't warrant an apology." - Charlie
@bitbear.90
Жыл бұрын
Yeah, that`s a first thing I thought of when seeing this baffling reaction
@bobdavid5877
Жыл бұрын
Not what he said y’all actually lack critical thinking skills.
@manderly33
Жыл бұрын
@@bobdavid5877 No, I think you might be the problem here, ace. With conservatives, every accusation is a confession.
@lemonace6695
Жыл бұрын
@@bobdavid5877 okay oh great genius of interpretation what did he said? That idubbz shouldn't be sorry because everyone was spreading bigotry? Or that idubbz should not feel sorry because it wasn't his intencion to cause people harm as if that is enought to excuse him when actual harm was made regardless?
@MicoB1022
Жыл бұрын
I’m Asian and didn’t experience any bigotry or racism from idubbbz whatsoever. Ya’ll need to stop being so sensitive, as POCs we can take care of ourselves and it’s up to us to have thick skin.
@cathrineswens
Жыл бұрын
What bothered me the most was the way Charlie would say that dropping racial slurs etc were "cringy", not bad or harmful - but cringe. Says a lot.
@kumjumba1377
Жыл бұрын
I agree. To some people the worst thing you could do is be embarrassing.
@senbrandybuck4492
Жыл бұрын
Also the way he dismisses “harmful rhetoric” “slurs” or “people influenced/victimized by Ian’s actions” and instead makes his entire video about “””content””” and “””audience”””. Like, the level of KZitem brainrot required to hear “idubbz’s self awareness on how he caused real actual tangible harm to human people in real life” and uncritically translate that into “purposefully abstract algorithm lingo” is so fucking bizarre.
@metalmythology6282
Жыл бұрын
Back then slurs were simply not as offensive or harmful to the average person. I wouldn't say they weren't harmful but back then way more people cringed at it then got offended. His content was almost universally loved
@parkerisles7256
Жыл бұрын
@@metalmythology6282 Yeah, white people who weren’t involved were cringing. Children of color who had to hear white iddubz fans use slurs were upset.
@DiabolicalYounglingslayer
Жыл бұрын
@@metalmythology6282 "Back then slurs were simply not as offensive or harmful to the average weirdo" FTFY.
@gorefieldluvr6921
4 ай бұрын
What affected me the most as a white girl seeing the apology, was reading the comments of hundreds of black and brown people talking about how his videos made their high school experiences hell and having to deal with him opening the door for slurs and harassment. It seems like charlie somehow missed all of that information.
@larvaedadindex
Ай бұрын
For real Like, I wonder why, Charlie !!!!
@ivy8483
Ай бұрын
I’m brown and it made my life a lot better 🙏🏽 ; now idubbz gets controlled by Yoko Ono.
@markbeaks2872
Жыл бұрын
How can you hear him talk about how a fan of his came up to him and said “i know you don’t like transgender people but can i have a picture?” And how that was not the opinion he wanted his fans to have of him and not a reflection of his values or opinions he ever had-and think “oh this apology was not necessary.” WTF
@nicolejustkidding8662
Жыл бұрын
its like charlie thinks apologies represent some kind of objective truth instead of someones feelings lmao. if ian felt remorse for how his videos that discussed marginalized groups made them feel... then he's gonna say sorry. like what other valid reason is there to apologize other than regretting how you see your actions impacting others??? what is charlie even arguing for lmfao
@fuckwit107
Жыл бұрын
That's fucking heartbreaking
@metalmythology6282
Жыл бұрын
Yes because Idubbz totally went on rants about how much he hated these people, the only people you could guess he hated off his content were religious people
@sourgreendolly7685
Жыл бұрын
@@nicolejustkidding8662 Exactly! I think this is a major problem in general- people act like "sorry" is a dirty word (apparently one worse than slurs) that means you're a bad person and admitting it. The logic being that people that have done the same must also be bad people and so they get all defensive and weird about it. It's absurd behavior- it's how I behaved when hurting feelings during mental breakdowns as a teenager. When I finally got the help I needed to stop doing all that, I had to realize how ridiculous it is to only apologize for intentional harm. It's literally just an acknowledgment of some sort if wrong. I say sorry if I lightly bump into a stranger at the grocery store, most if us do. Are we intentionally bumping into them? No! Is it incorrect to apologize? No! In fact, people tend to find it rude when people don't apologize and that's completely fair. It's scary how many people treat apologies the way I did at the height of my severe mental illness. This is literally insane.
@radiofloyd2359
2 ай бұрын
@@metalmythology6282but he still made fun of it, and he never clarified he had nothing against those people. His claims of not being racist fell on deaf ears when he was insensitive about his vocabulary, etc.
@exposureeee
Жыл бұрын
"The videos weren't hurtful, nor do I think they were damaging" This line from Charlie's video stood out to me in particular. What a complete and total lack of empathy.
@mildly_nita
Жыл бұрын
like the damaging part, sure, he was an adult during that time so now might not even know what kind of culture it created with young people. but he really couldn’t look back now and see how they could be hurtful? 😭😭
@hannahb2306
Жыл бұрын
It’s just fascinatingly immature and selfish lol. It’s the same energy as “I had a nice dinner this evening and that means that no one in the world is starving.”
@strawhatpygmy9884
Жыл бұрын
What really pissed me off was when Charlie said he thinks of slurs as something that is merely "eye-rolling" like bro ofc you think that ur white
@Cat_Woods
Жыл бұрын
That's exactly what I took from it (that Charlie utterly lacks the capacity for empathy). Even in his follow-up, the only thing he considered was that idubbbz might not like how he appeared or might not like to be associated with "losers." He never considers the experience of the people actually harmed by the slurs and bigoted attitudes.
@septiceye_3706
Жыл бұрын
"Content Cop" even had consequences for me over here in Germany. Classmates of mine genuinely repeated the words that Ian said in that one video - "you people are giving that word more power by not using it" - to my face. They - two white guys - really tried to argue with me about the use of the n word and how I, a black person, am just "too sensitive" for not wanting to be called that slur. Like???? Make it make sense. Anyway, this is a really, really good video. iDubbbz's channel is a perfect case study of the person behind the channel growing slowly overtime while the audience clings onto the past of the channel, be it problematic or not.
@NadezdaBeka
Жыл бұрын
In haven't noticed Idubbz having such power in school but Filthy Frank definitely did. I was mostly quoting harmless stuff but I noticed some boys disguising their bigotry behind Frank's humor.
@moona3206
Жыл бұрын
He grew but his fanbase won't
@joshuabailey6246
Жыл бұрын
@@moona3206 idubbz did not grow. All he did was stop saying the nword
@herosrevengesburner4065
Жыл бұрын
@@joshuabailey6246 Youre lost i think you should find a doctor sir, do you need me to call an ambulance?
@joshuabailey6246
Жыл бұрын
@@herosrevengesburner4065 you might need one if you cant see that he hasnt grown
@sydneytaylor8128
Жыл бұрын
"i understand wanting to distance yourself from slurs because it's not funny or entertaining now" not because it's like... wrong? or harmful? just because it's not funny anymore? 🤨
@noheckinway7732
Жыл бұрын
I used to absolutely hate idubbz. I was in a horribly emotionally abusive relationship with someone who loved his content and would "jokingly" call me racial slurs as a result of it. So I've been pretty skeptical at his attempts to quietly change his content. His apology was pretty much everything I personally needed to hear from him. And that last tweet was phenomenal. Thats exactly the mindset you should have going into an apology.
@jessehenderson2967
Жыл бұрын
You're valid and so is your comment and opinion. As someone who was also dating someone who defended Idubbzz and his slur use, as a black man, it killed me my partner refused to see my side. It was invalidating.
@metalmythology6282
Жыл бұрын
Yeah totally that abusive person only used slurs because of an Idubbz video, or maybe just maybe abusive people tend to be a holes
@SmartStart24
Жыл бұрын
Ooof as an outspoken liberal teenaged black girl I despised him!!! I was all in his comments calling him ugly with a receding hairline and getting dragged by all his little fanboys lmfao 🤣 those were the days But yeah I was shocked when I saw “iDubbbz apology” I literally never thought I would see the day. I have to say though, good for him.
@SmartStart24
Жыл бұрын
@@metalmythology6282 We get it. You like being racist under the guise of humor and you support people and content who like to be racist under the guise of humor. Move along, you’re clearly outnumbered and in the wrong comment section for that. Is JonTron still a thing? Maybe you can go to a Steven Crowder video?
@metalmythology6282
Жыл бұрын
@@SmartStart24 You realize jontrons content is like apolitical innodensive comedy for teenagers right? Also my issue with the comment and comments like it is that people are claiming Idubbz was the person causing slurs back then, but the truth is basically every slur except the n word was accepted and normalized pre 2016
@2cryptic
Жыл бұрын
'i disagree with your apology' has to be one of the takes of all time
@kaemincha
Жыл бұрын
its not even a "your apology was bad" but "you shouldnt have apologized" lmao certainly a... take.
@hannahb2306
Жыл бұрын
@@kaemincha right! It’s like he doesn’t get that the apology isn’t for him. If none of what was said bothers him, then maybe he should consider that people who aren’t him exist and have feelings.
@Boahemaa
Жыл бұрын
@@kaemincha exactly! he's so wrong...
@Boahemaa
Жыл бұрын
@@hannahb2306 he doesn't. He doesn't have to. The world revolves around him. I hope his minority friends (if he has any) are taking notes and advising themselves cos I would hate for them to be blindsided by him in their relationship.
@abbyz13
Жыл бұрын
@@hannahb2306 exactly. i love charlie’s videos but it’s only bc i’ve never heard such nonsense from him before 💀 how is a white man gonna tell another white man he doesn’t need to apologize for racism and then also edit and upload that. how.
@charlodynatimberheart4860
Жыл бұрын
There is something so comically sad about Charlie inserting himself into a situation that had nothing to do with him and being like "No, actually, you SHOULDN'T be sorry, because the damage you caused isn't real!"
@potatopotayto8332
Жыл бұрын
@@chinadollsyndrome because that's what it is! charlie was likely also one of the people who blindly enabled racist behavior under the guise of "irony" and feels too guilty to admit that he ever did so
@kathiane29
Жыл бұрын
cr1tikal does this all the time, does his take on a situation he knows nothing about or has anything to do with, messes up, has to clarify himself in a next video, he does this every 2 business weeks, and his fans eat it up all the time like "can we just appreciate that charlie apologizes when he gets something wrong? hearteyesemoji" like PLEASE
@lacienagalacey9454
Жыл бұрын
@@potatopotayto8332 You hit the target. That’s the entire vibe I got from his video
@sourgreendolly7685
Жыл бұрын
@@kathiane29 in all fairness that is rare from online figures these days lol
@parkerisles7256
Жыл бұрын
@@kathiane29 I was confused by how receptive his fans were with his non-apology 2nd video because he said he didn’t communicate his beliefs well and then proceeded to double down on his previous opinions.
@ciaranpatrick6859
Жыл бұрын
It broke my heart when idubbbz mentioned the transgender fan. I used to watch his content in those days and at that time I was starting to question my sexuality, but due to my environment and videos i watched such as Ian’s, I thought it was a bad thing to be gay so I just suppressed those feelings. I have massive respect to him for going out and apologizing for everything he did and the community he created.
@Ari-ez1vj
Жыл бұрын
I relate to your comment a lot! I am a trans woman who grew up in a conservative household. Just want you to know you’re not alone ❤
@KufLMAO
2 ай бұрын
Damn I guess I was the only one who knew he was being ironic at the time. I never harbored any hatred against minorities, it was something to laugh at and move on. Realizing now that people actually took that shit seriously and started forming actual worldviews off of it is… damn man. I think in that sense I relate to what Charlie was saying. There was definitely a falling on the sword so to speak that Ian really didn’t have to go that far on. But if he felt like he needed to go that far to get it off his chest, then that’s his prerogative. Personally though I thought he handled it much better when he addressed a few months before that. But perhaps from his perspective it seemed incomplete. I can see where people are coming from on both sides of this.
@capitanice6353
2 ай бұрын
@@KufLMAO i don't think he went 'too far' with feeling bad about his impact. i am absolutely not saying that he is directly responsible for the things i'm gonna say, but his content did reinforce a lot of unhealthy things. he was a ginormous mainstream meme who had a group of friends who were just as big and mainstream in 2016 meme culture. people who were ignorant of politics and social issues and just thought the memes were funny (kids mainly) saw him do those things and accepted it as an okay thing because EVERYONE was laughing at it. it reinforced the bad ideas that people already had, and made those that he made fun of directly hate themselves. there is likely a big group of young dead queers (open or closeted) who were subscribed to idubbbz in his heyday before they killed themselves. once again it's not directly his fault, but i'm sure all those videos and the thousands of comments reinforcing it on just youtube alone didn't help.
@KufLMAO
2 ай бұрын
@@capitanice6353 well god damn
@Username-1939t9
2 ай бұрын
@@KufLMAO just cause it was ironic doesn't mean it didn't cause any harm. if people constantly talking about you in a way just to laugh at and move on, it'll eventually hurt, even if you know it was just a joke
@jirai_pup
Жыл бұрын
as a black fan of Charlie, that video confused me so much 😭 like bro this is NOT your place i'm glad D'Angelo is talking about it
@victoriousgray5479
Жыл бұрын
Exactly omg it was so random of him
@Liserxo
Жыл бұрын
Literally my thoughts too
@thegulpergulps
Жыл бұрын
Exactly what I felt.
@limner123
Жыл бұрын
As a middle aged white lady, I had the same response.. although I was aware that judging his response was also not my place. I guess I find this video and the comments reassuring that I’m not totally off base. Like, what?
@bakedtofu420
Жыл бұрын
Can't take the Florida out the man I guess 😭
@peachydoe.8964
Жыл бұрын
As a Black/Asian woman (I’m mostly perceived as black) going to a majority republican school, and growing up with a guy friend group- I experienced the time when idubbz was doing all of those videos saying slurs, and the alt right pipeline existing within that. I was called so many terrible things- BY MY OWN FRIENDS. And treated terribly. I’m sure it would have always been like this, but idubbz and his videos made a huge impact, and it was very traumatic for me and people like me.
@Corviidei
Жыл бұрын
@@OpinionatedChicken59 imagine telling someone they’re wrong about their own experiences lmfaoo tell me you’ve never faced persecution once in your entire life
@sabersin7694
Жыл бұрын
Are you sure isn’t all just friendly banter and they were just being edgy because they knew you were they’re friend? Bro, get over yourself, that’s how people do it sometimes, people like being edgy because they know its all just a joke and it means nothing. They were edgy to you because you were their friend and they thought you knew how to take a joke. Some kids know not to let things get under their skin and take a joke, your problem is that you thought you were entitled to have everyone conform to your morals and feelings 24/7.
@Imxel21
Жыл бұрын
@@sabersin7694o way you’re telling someone to get over racism. Wrote a whole paragraph just to justify bigotry. Smh
@violetsden
Жыл бұрын
@@sabersin7694No they don't. Just cause you're an awful person along with the group of people you surround yourself with doesn't mean people who have empathy or are minorities need to deal with your bs.
@biguattipoptropica
Жыл бұрын
@@sabersin7694 found the racist!
@angiepangie9106
Жыл бұрын
i almost laughed at “we were in harmony with it” what could you possibly mean? that’s such an insane take that i can’t believe someone who is usually so well spoken came up with it
@ya_fbr
Жыл бұрын
he says some shit about echo chambers but clearly *he* is the one who is in an echo chamber. because the majority of people affected by "edgy" content back in 2015 were never ok with it, and these days more and more people are against the environment that was fostered back then. yet he seemingly hasn't seen any of that, which is so baffling to me because - as a marginalized person with many marginalized friends - i have experienced and seen how harmful that content was the whole time, and we were absolutely never "in harmony" with that shit.
@rosesweetcharlotte
Жыл бұрын
@@ya_fbr He is a rich white guy! He doesn't have to be effected by anything he does want to be effected by
@thefrickerofyourmother869
Жыл бұрын
@@ya_fbr honestly as a person all the slurs hit, I was ok with it back then but it’s only because I was terribly self loathing and allowed others to call me such things because it made me feel cool and thick skinned and like I fit in and was liked, it took me years to figure out that it’s really fucked up and fueled by a need to confirm my terrible ideas about myself. I used to be a huge fan of Ian back then, so it can affect minorities both though abuse from others, and internalized abuse to inflict on ourselves. It’s terrible. I couldn’t see the affect because I was actively in it.
@witcher70
Жыл бұрын
Many born male white boys being into girls haven’t been that bothered by any of this at the time. They sure as hell are not being bothered now
@ArturGlass.C
Жыл бұрын
Me too. I got instant memories of how me and my friend recommend each other 2010's sitcom and such that we like but we keep having to warn each other about racism, ableism and queerphobia undertones before watching it. Egy humour is a plague and always was. As someone who genuinely likes and always liked dark humour and absurdism, the edgy lense of comedy completely ruined it for me this entire period. I just wanted to cope with how traumatic and chaotic my life was, not to get slurred at. That guy clearly never talked about this with any minority ever.
@Ari-ez1vj
Жыл бұрын
As a trans woman who grew up in a conservative household and was influenced by Ian’s terrible rhetoric, it brought a tear to my eye to hear to hear that story about the fan meetup. It was a great apology imo, and I’m so happy to see that Ian and a large portion of his fans have grown as people over these years.
@asterling4
Жыл бұрын
realllll i'm gay (and married, so there's no closet anymore lol) and also autistic, and the normalization of content like ian's was flat out _terrifying._ the way that it creates a safe space for violence against people like us... it makes me want to lock my door and never leave the house again bc i _know_ what happens when angry, ableist homophobes get a little too comfortable. all that to say, the apology feels really big imo, like a step in the right direction for the culture at large.
@mckinneym.2743
Жыл бұрын
@@asterling4100% agree
@giantturd5157
10 ай бұрын
@@asterling4god shut up
@Seinsmelled
8 ай бұрын
his channel is dead like 95% of his old fans left him and were replaced with goobers
@greenthinggg
8 ай бұрын
Fr
@biancalihou2410
Жыл бұрын
Not a white creator saying another white creator doesn't need to apologise for racism.........
@Democratsknowbidensucks
Жыл бұрын
Using a word in popular music isn't racism.... Black creators on the other hand literally promote the idea that blacks can't be racist.
@juicyfry4326
Жыл бұрын
Democrats know Biden sucks not an excuse, doesn't make the slur not a slur, and still isn't a word for nonblack people to reclaim
@_Verde
Жыл бұрын
Obviously a person of color will be more knowledgeable about racism than a white person but that doesn't mean they get to be the end all be all decision on something. At the end of the day it's all just opinions. You need to learn to think more critically than something so surface level as "black person said it was racist so it is" Coming from someone of a minority group, people form marginalized groups will call something bigotry when they don't like it all the time. That's not to say I don't think idubbz was racist, I certainly believe he was a racist at worst and grossly ignorant at best. My point is you don't get to have the final say on something because of your status as a minority.
@Democratsknowbidensucks
Жыл бұрын
@Papa Guacamole what you just said is racist lol...
@Alejandro87645
Жыл бұрын
@@_Verdethe way you completely ignore the very first couple of words in your reply by going on about POC being the “final say” on racism… Should have kept it at “a person of color will be more knowledgeable about racism than a white person”. The person you replied to is implying that a white person doesn’t have the authority to dictate what is and isn’t racism. That’s it. And that’s a fact.
@Fortune-ateDaughter
Жыл бұрын
The fact that Charlie made a 20 minute video about a 10 minute apology video saying that it was excessive is honestly ironic.
@quandaredevil
Жыл бұрын
yeah for somebody who's normally pretty rational his take felt so drawn out and blown out of proportion here. like bro was raising his voice over another white man apologizing for racism. it was all a massive red flag in general as someone who watches charlie
@KD-_-
Жыл бұрын
Yeah this would be a nothing burger if he just said "blanket apologizing for content cop is a little weird because he did go after people who deserved it like Leafy"
@imokage
Жыл бұрын
Idubbz’s vid was 20 mins long tho
@localloser5875
Жыл бұрын
@@quandaredevil i agree. it’s even weirder considering the whole sneako situation like i’m so confused about what his morals/values are. he constantly got on sneako for enjoying the CP in the movie cuties, but now when it’s about literal racism,homophobia and bigotry overall that’s where he draws the line. i had to unsub from him just because this really shows who he is deep down and as a person of colour it’s even worse.
@jamesconlin5099
Жыл бұрын
the fact that your writing a comment about a video that you got offended by you must be a woman
@bunnybo7757
Жыл бұрын
“It’s just a joke” philosophy turned millions of young men into apathetic losers who think it’s empowering to make people uncomfortable. Even idubbz acknowledging peoples feelings made him a target. H3H3 put it really well about another situation a while back. If you’re a content creator, and your audience reacts THIS harshly to accepting responsibility, it truly doesn’t speak to why these awful dudes gravitate towards you 😬. And it’s clear now who exactly is gravitating towards Charlie.
@bunnybo7757
Жыл бұрын
^Truly DOES speak
@siofrarafferty3821
Жыл бұрын
That first line im dying 😂 I know so many men who study philosophy who would be so hurt by that damn
@noyoquese..
Жыл бұрын
and Muta 🙄
@joleneonyoutube
Жыл бұрын
THIS is such a good point
@Jane-oz7pp
Жыл бұрын
@@siofrarafferty3821 I'm yet to meet a man who studies philosophy and isn't kinda trash tbh
@datonechicktho3386
Жыл бұрын
I always sensed that charlie had a certain level of apathy towards marginalized groups/people he cant relate to. His response to Ians video definitely solidified that.
@bruhattherate
Жыл бұрын
He only respects women the most that's what I have seen He has called out sexist men way more then racist and homophobic people. He hardly has called out homophobic people tbh
@JinStreams
Жыл бұрын
He really reads like someone who is determined to have no actual opinions about anything important
@angryotter9129
Жыл бұрын
I saw him saying something about how loud “SJWs” in the left (dyed hair, lots of piercings/tattoos) were hurting the left’s cause. Which is just discriminatory respectability politics and I don’t trust people who play that game of policing how people can protest or show up for their cause.
@klsecond5755
10 ай бұрын
@@JinStreams L take
@JinStreams
10 ай бұрын
@@klsecond5755 not as big an L as his. At least I'm not saying racist "jokes" are fine.
@melissa0313
Жыл бұрын
the way charlie says “you didn’t create an army of bigots and racists” was all I needed to hear from him to know that he has no fucking clue what he’s talking about. I was in middle school at the height of harmful content cop videos and idubbz in general, and not only was I surrounded on all sides by bigots my age influenced by idubbz, I was one of those bigots. It was such extremely harmful content especially for his young audiences who’d genuinely take on his actions and words bc it was “memeable” or “edgy” at the time. 2016 “edginess” is just a cover word for racism, sexism, homophobia, and so much more. Astronomically large L take from Charlie
@itcouldbelupus2842
Жыл бұрын
Unless it's videogames or porn, Charlie usually doesn't know what he is talking about. He's an L take factory.
@AliciaOnlineGameplay
Жыл бұрын
I was also in school at that time surrounded by this shit and unfortunately was the single gay girl in the class and all the boys going around with the f and n slur and saying girls should be sex slaves and shit cus it was funni and edgi!!! Turns out all of them are actual racist, sexist homophobes, who would have guessed 🤔
@solmas2111
Жыл бұрын
I sort of get it. Like maybe the idea behind the words is the person is already bigoted/racist and they were just drawn to his content. Not that he created them per se. If that makes sense.
@joshuabailey6246
Жыл бұрын
Charlie was basically saying that idubbz isnt the main reason people were edgy and racist back in like 16.
@uniquenewyork3325
Жыл бұрын
@SolMas no, these were 12 year olds who just started clicking on videos until they were 50 feet deep into the alt right pipeline. For many of them the start was idubbz or filthy frank
@redjacket2486
Жыл бұрын
Pleasantly surprised by idubbz. Unpleasantly surprised by Charlie. What a time to be alive.
@mm-gk6xg
Жыл бұрын
well said 😔
@nizam-alem6761
Жыл бұрын
now we are waiting for the second apology from idubz for the sam hyde situation
@donnyshark8680
Жыл бұрын
@@nizam-alem6761nah Sam Hyde is a shithead he don’t gotta apologize for that
@ergoth154
Жыл бұрын
Ofc you would be, you dorks are lame as hell
@sofijabudimir6601
Жыл бұрын
Literally hahah
@pedrosaraiva
Жыл бұрын
The problem with Charlie is that he tries so so so hard to be a fence sitter in all his opinions. People say he never gave a wrong take I say he never gave a full take.
@Toruk_Makto17
Жыл бұрын
yo you're actually right...I feel so lost rn I really likes Charlie especially for his takes but now I'm looking at it in a new lense 😭
@pl9nningforburial
Жыл бұрын
facts
@solarisjade2292
Жыл бұрын
Never really watched him myself, but im seeing a lot of people say this in the comments. He doesnt seem to want to give an opinion on either side of things at least not fully. Even in dangelo’s clips here its like charlie will give an opinion, turn around and be like “but i also get xyz, but-“ and then go back and forth like that. Like just say your opinion with your whole chest at this point
@noone-gf5op
Жыл бұрын
either that, or he just gives THE MOST obvious takes. and everyone claps like he's a god for like... not agreeing with satan himself. like he has a video about the most misogynistic guy to probably ever walk this earth, and he - rightfully so - criticizes him heavy. but like... duh? the man literally talks about women like subhumans, I don't think its the altruism of the century to call it out. just an easy way to garner likes.
@brezio5251
Жыл бұрын
@@noone-gf5op for real. a real good take would be seeing how it affects women, the societal impact of misogyny and unconscious misogyny. not ... "Oh this guy said he hates women hes such a bad incel hahahaha am i rite guys"
@LunaCidnie
Жыл бұрын
Ah I get it. He’s projecting. He’s coming to the defense (of someone who never asked for it) because he’s actually defending himself. He’s saying “well I agreed with him and I don’t think I have to apologize so he shouldn’t have to either.” He’s telling on himself. This is about him and him only.
@val.628
Жыл бұрын
Exactly this, I made a much longer less clear comment just to try to get this point across. Well put.
@Schweigetherapie
Жыл бұрын
Yeah, I kinda got that impression, too.
@krampusz
Жыл бұрын
This. Charlie actually, correcly have found the single point in Ian's video that was actually directed to him, not the marginalized groups. The point that, if a privileged person liked his content, they should not think anymore that it was okay. Charlie took offense because he still thinks it was okay and thus ranted about this. If you think about it, his whole take is defending himself against this condemnation.
@trash.pandaaa
Жыл бұрын
THISSSS! This is the exact vibe i got. "The call is coming from inside the house" type vibes
@halla3184
Жыл бұрын
You put it _perfectly_
@noellethomas2589
Жыл бұрын
You can take the man out of Florida, but you can't take the Florida out of the man. Charlie needs to interact with more people that don't look and think exactly like him. He also might benefit from some media literacy classes.
@shaleamontanez4591
Жыл бұрын
Honestly I think a lot of chronically online people could benefit from this. I've always tried to get into his videos but never truly could
@yukiandkanamekuran
Жыл бұрын
Frrr florida is more republican than people think
@ekko6209
Жыл бұрын
Lol it’s funny when u don’t even know the guy💀 ur just as chronically online as he is and this comment section is making assumptions bc they got nothing better to do
@stebasteps
Жыл бұрын
@@ekko6209 It's funny the amount of people calling him a basement dweller (dude literally records on the second floor of his house) and all sorts of shit to fit within their narrative that Charlie is somehow a closet racist. Half the people here don't even watch his content, or say "he gives off weird vibes." They just don't like him and want an excuse to completely antagonize him.
@sourgreendolly7685
Жыл бұрын
@@ekko6209 How would you know that they're "just as chronically online"? You have even less information about OP than what any of us have about Charlie. You're doing what you're accusing them of and with far less to go off of. How often are you offline? 😂
@ShamamalamaSama
Жыл бұрын
Mad respect for calling out Charlie. I feel like people put him on a pedestal for some reason when he's just another human being who can be wrong.
@yallIdunno
Жыл бұрын
for real
@cocoaicci_
Жыл бұрын
@SomeGuy and why isn't it?
@juno3281
Жыл бұрын
dawg have you seen his comment section 💀 no one’s putting him on a pedestal
@DrBoyZepho
Жыл бұрын
@@juno3281 on every other video they absolutely do lol
@_-Lx-_
Жыл бұрын
@@juno3281 99% percent of his fans online I've seen are constantly placing him on a pedestal, the meme is "haha good guy funni moist man is always right". It's Elon Musk & Keanu Reeves type worship.
@figlet6427
Жыл бұрын
Man the "sheltered and privilidged" energy charlie's giving is crazy...💀 Edit: sending some good vibes to the replies, 'cause some of yall need it, damn-🌻
@thefridge7335
Жыл бұрын
Just like the teenagers here that claim they're oppressed
@figlet6427
Жыл бұрын
@@thefridge7335 you're gonna have to specify that bro
@thefridge7335
Жыл бұрын
@@figlet6427 specifically the people who sht on cis straight white able bodied neurotypical males etc etc
@figlet6427
Жыл бұрын
@@thefridge7335 sure, I'd say shitting on anyone without a good reason is always a bad thing✌️ no idea what the context of these comments was tho, so sorry but can't give you a more comprehensive answer. Have a good one👌
@So_Indecisive
Жыл бұрын
@@thefridge7335 though I don’t know context and haven’t seen anything like that comments, I’ll try and explain what your argument *usually* is arguing against. historically, those are the people who were oppressing though it has changed a bit, The majority of American, British,ect politics has been those people even now. Another thing is when *most* people who talk white, neurotypical,ect men, they don’t mean all but it would a pain to specify everytimewhen you’re talking about personal experience. I don’t where this quote comes from but it’s “not all men are abusers but all my abusers were men” (note how this isn’t saying that women can’t be abusers)
@MidnightFox2189
Жыл бұрын
It’s funny that even in Charlie’s reply to the controversy, he completely missed the point. Something he constantly reprimands others for. As a subscriber of both of you this is definitely a wild ride
@fregus.
Жыл бұрын
charlie never knows what he's talking about. the only reason you don't realise it is because most of the time you don't know either. once you see him talk about something you know a lot about (like the darkviperau react content situation) you realise how unaware he is. he does absolutely zero research, just sees something on twitter then makes a 10 minute video using the word "fart" and "dildo" and makes $2 million off it.
@BobBoberts-n3e
Жыл бұрын
Pot, Meet kettle 😂
@MidnightFox2189
Жыл бұрын
@@fregus. D’Angelo mentioned it at the end but for the most part Charlie’s content is defined by the fact he talks about them and rather off script, which isn’t bad persay but some subjects do need that research and Charlie just didn’t do it. However the claim he never does is untrue he has put out well researched videos before (such as the most evil livestream) but no doubt that takes a lot of time. And on the internet things move fast, especially controversy. I believe that Charlie moved too fast with the idubz reaction and that’s why his take was so bad
@camharkness
Жыл бұрын
He kinda ... Is always like this. He jumps into things that he doesn't understand at all, and "reacts" to it. Usually misunderstanding what is actually being said because he doesn't understand it (ie when he was talking about how Nintendo went for Gary Bowser or when he went at darkviper au for his document about why reaction content is bad, and charlie himself even admitted midway through that he's not even saying exactly what Mathew was saying) or just saying stuff that is blatantly wrong (like with nikacado avacado. Don't get me wrong, nikacado needs help. But charlie still said stuff that wasnt true)
@ddjsoyenby
Жыл бұрын
agreed, i like charlie, but he should avoid politics he clearly doesn't get these more nuanced situations and just wants to be goofy, funny lighthearted guy (which is ok)
@MellowJelly
Жыл бұрын
Since people like Charlie don't believe it, I'm here to testify that I infact, as a 19-year-old when Ian's content cop videos were coming out, was influenced by him normalizing slurs and misogynistic language and thought patterns. It affected my beliefs and I had to unlearn it. Ian didn't solely cause that effect on me, he was just one piece of a larger narrative in society. Now he's actually realizing that programming is very negative and is used to tear others down, which is what he was doing, and that's what I used to do. So if you're like Charlie and you don't think that type of content is harmful, it definitely can be. Maybe not to you or anyone in your life, but honestly it does make an impact.
@Sm0k3turt
Жыл бұрын
I’m also about 18 and watched him young. It affected my friends and me more than I realize actually. My sister and my mom were the only reason I didn’t go down that rabbit hole.
@00st307-m
Жыл бұрын
Oh there’s plenty of comments like yours under his video - and he still didn’t retract his statement sooo
@biske85
Жыл бұрын
My old group of friends use his pro-slur argument... they're all between 35-45
@mirandarr4411
Жыл бұрын
exactly. my boyfriend was watching over my shoulder and during the tanacon part, he asked if this was around 2016, to which he said that’s when he had his “edgiest views,,” just proving how much affect people like ian had of teens like us at the time
@grover6662
Жыл бұрын
The damage is done d1ck
@mekishik0
Жыл бұрын
iDubbbz: I acknowledge that my past actions, which I regret, hurt many people, and for that I would like to apologi- Charlie: Actually, you shouldn’t be sorry because I personally wasn’t impacted
@sweatyloser
Жыл бұрын
that part
@Lucifersfursona
Жыл бұрын
My good faith that Charlie was more aware of this stuff than his audience drops me to my knees as the people that keep my (trans queer autistic) ass out of Charlie’s comments section are more self aware than he is about the apology
@kurjaesitys
Жыл бұрын
Bro acted as if the apology was to him ☠️☠️☠️☠️
@BabushkaKoi
Жыл бұрын
Literally this is what happened
@BobLogical
Жыл бұрын
@@kurjaesitys Are you trying to say that white dudes aren't the center of every conversation? Sounds fake.
@Aliciaxlife
Жыл бұрын
This was such a validating video to see. As a woman of colour holy hell 2016 cringe teenage boys were brutal especially with the “debate club” vibe. Using DIRECT rhetoric that idubz taught in his videos. I’m happy he apologized and it’s super weird for someone to be like “yeah homie it wasn’t that deep”.
@peewee139
Жыл бұрын
YES.i remember in middle school during PE, my friend just said n word f slur randomly and i genuinely asked him “why?” and another dude said “it’s about the context, it’s not bad if it isn’t used in that way” but wtf is the point in using the slurs?? he didn’t answer my question because he just wanted to own me using idubz rhetoric.🙄
@mag-narwhal
Жыл бұрын
I'm so happy to know you watch d'angelo ❤
@theCommentDevil
Жыл бұрын
Our queen! 👑
@Violexie-wb7op
Жыл бұрын
Charlie's video made my skin crawl. He got his panties in a twist because idubbz apologized to black people. Like. Charlie, that apology WASN'T FOR YOU, AND WASN'T FOR YOU TO ACCEPT.
@letsplaynay9936
11 ай бұрын
Right
@soaphi7069
Жыл бұрын
Why does it feel like Charlie felt attacked/called out by the apology video and tried to excuse idubbz's past actions so he wouldn't have to reflect on his own consumption of problematic content during that era?
@soaphi7069
Жыл бұрын
Like subconsciously he j misinterpreted. But this is obviously pure speculation I do not know this man lmao.
@rosesweetcharlotte
Жыл бұрын
Because Charlie is a rich straight white guy who is so privileged that he doesn't have to grow up. Ian actually got out of his bubble and saw the real damage his content was doing
@kirikakirikakirika
Жыл бұрын
@@rosesweetcharlotte You're a moron if you think Ian is even remotely sorry for the things he did in the past. Charlie just recognized he was pandering to people like you, who clearly think being white and straight are bad things. -_-
@qwandary
Жыл бұрын
Thank you!
@demifolk8940
Жыл бұрын
no you’re exactly right and no one is pointing it out. im not saying charlie is racist or says slurs, in face i dont believe he does. i feel like he took a lot of idubbbz points to heart. like he changed his own content, so he thought the same logic applies when it didn’t. it was a completely different situation. the other thing was when idubbbz said his content cops were “cruel”. charlie actively profits off of what content cop created, he calls out random people and thinks he doing some noble deed when he isn’t. all charlie does is cause chaos and toxicity and he never has to see the fallout of it because he hides it behind the pretense of this just being the internet. these people he calls out shouldn’t have been horrible, so its okay that his fanbase harasses them. i legitimately believe charlie didn’t even watch edgy 2016 content. hes just defending it because hes a fucking fence sitting, centrist. he doesn’t want to piss off people who DID love edgy 2016 shit. but he also doesn’t want to sound he’s excusing it completely.
@annemarievanpeer120
Жыл бұрын
"I don't think cultivating racists was his goal" "He probably wasn't malicious" Charlie. My man. What a realisation to come to when Ian... Literally says those things word for word. "I don't think [...] but" nope. He said it himself and then explained why that doesn't matter, and explains that his actions had an impact regardless of intentions. Methinks Charlie didn't even watch the apology video at this rate, just saw the title and went "nahhh don't apologise for racism to black people, everyone (who's white) obviously knew it was a joke". Baffling take. Seriously baffling
@okameinkooo
Жыл бұрын
Exactly! It really sounds like Charlie just completely skipped over the part where Ian said intentions don't matter. People get hurt regardless and a person should take accountability for that. He missed the entire point of the video on so many levels it's unbelievable
@thelexicon7294
Жыл бұрын
Right? I don't think a single person watching Ian's apology came away from it thinking "I'm glad that evil man apologized for his complex and multi-pronged nine-step plan to disseminate racism to the masses. That was devious, calculated and villainous of him. The whiteboard segment where he laid it all out really disturbed me." I feel like Charlie is defending a strawman that Ian himself dismissed in his original video.
@EE-sw3uh
Жыл бұрын
so many people never seem to grasp the concept of intent vs impact
@uniquenewyork3325
Жыл бұрын
If you throw something at a friend and it hits someone else, is it ok because "Oh I didn't INTEND to hit you" okay but they still got hit.
@Lucina..
Жыл бұрын
@@uniquenewyork3325”because it was at a time when *everybody* was throwing things around dangerously, and I know I didn’t get hit, but don’t feel guilty dude 😅😂
@marbear1226788
Жыл бұрын
As a black person, it hurt to hear that Charlie didn't think the vehement use of slurs warranted an apology- seems like such a weird hill to die on. Back in HS I had a friend who watched iDubbbz and would call me the n-word, making me extremely uncomfortable. If you look in either of their comment sections, you will find loads of stories like mine. The damage is VERY real, and I wish he would make a more informed opinion or stay quiet before uploading his opinion to his millions of followers.
@khadeejones1136
Жыл бұрын
Exactly, I remember sitting in class and having to listen to kids who were into that kind of content make racist jokes and drop slurs. It's hard to describe but it kinda of stuff stays with you for a really long time, it was a consent reminder that a lot of yt people would always see me being at leas a little bit inferior. Being black isn't just some fucking joke for yt people to laugh about.
@chloeg.4640
Жыл бұрын
At the time of iDubbbz's peak popularity, I was a middle schooler with undiagnosed (at the time) autism. So yeah, even though every form of prejudice is different, I can relate to your experience. Charlie fails to understand that the whole "edgy" subculture was literally omnipresent among Gen Z and younger millennials.
@shinzoabe8289
Жыл бұрын
"Weird hill to die on" pretty much describes his whole video perfectly. He seems really confident in his opinion which makes me wonder if he seriously expected people to agree with him.
@bella-9428
Жыл бұрын
fr...it seems so strange to me that Charlie would try to undermine the impact of slurs on people when he has and will never know what it is like to be at the mercy of these words, which also makes me wonder why he felt the need to reject/critique an apology that was not meant for him ://
@zenthiat2292
Жыл бұрын
Slurs can be so much more impactful than how they seem when being limited to that of a general common humor in bad taste. Regardless of if the person saying them is super racist, bigoted, or not. I never would imagine slurs would affect me as they do, but unfortunately I can't just decide out of the blue that they don't carry an internal weight to them for me. That they don't spur on a fear or dread or whatever distasteful emotion they manage to, within me. I don't think they're some sort of tool that holds power over my whole psyche or anything, but they're a bother and disappointment at the very least for sure. Just because some people (primarily people outside of the community the slur is about) who say them don't use them as weapons, doesn't mean all people don't. In my opinion, it's harmful to pretend that's not the case. As a black person as well, and as quite the fan of Charlie, I agree,, it too hurt some to hear him speak about this matter in the way he did.
@lifelessexpression7670
Жыл бұрын
I do not watch Charlie anymore since I discovered his stance that he refuses to say the word Trans on his channel. Not kidding. He refuses to say it or play anything that would say it. He literally censors the word Trans from his content. His excuse for this is that he wants to always remain neutral on a topic and not swayed to either side of the fence. Like GTFO
@Ejsoskrmfucosj
Жыл бұрын
💀💀
@guillaumem9953
Жыл бұрын
Lol
@moist666
Жыл бұрын
When did he say that?
@totempolejoe1
Жыл бұрын
I would love a source for this. I mean, I *wouldn't* love a source for this because I watch penguinz0 all the time and respect him, but I have definitely noticed that he doesn't ever talk about trans issues or transphobia. He had a very "safe" response to SunnyV2's video about Chris and Mr. Beast, for example, calling the video "trash" without explaining why beyond Chris's transition being a personal choice that doesn't affect anybody but himself.
@setheus
Жыл бұрын
Yep... I'm trying to remember as well, didn't he also give a platform to some alt-right weirdo not that long ago, maybe only a year or two? There's a bunch of little things like that that throw up the red flags for me
@Cinnamon420
Жыл бұрын
I remember at 16 being one of those little black edgelords right up until a friend called me the n word and i realized that these friends arent edgy theyre just racist
@SmartStart24
Жыл бұрын
Period! I’m black and I tried to make an edgy (read:racist) joke of my own just one time in high school against another ethnic group in front of my white acquaintances (who all thought black jokes were hilarious by the way) and they got all quiet and awkward and demure all of a sudden. I’m like “oh wait so it’s not just jokes??? Or is it only ok when y’all are being racist to everyone else?” Granted I shouldn’t have done it, and I never did it again. I was trying on the edge lord personality and that incident told me everything I needed to know.
@gabrielaayala4846
Жыл бұрын
This^^ Back when I was in high school I use to be a fan of idubzz or even filthy frank who all had incredibly problematic content. I remember justifying to myself and friends as “shock value” or edgy humor. In my mind there was a separation of what they said vs how they felt (which was probably me just trying to justify to myself) but I distinctly remember watching the Tana video when it came out and being soo disgusted and disappointed in his promotion of using the n-word. It was like waking up and realizing how backwards it was for a white man to try and dictate what power a word held when he was never directly affected by said word. Or even me for that matter. After that I unsubscribed and stopped watching his videos. It wasn’t until I saw him and his wife anise on a podcast where he seemed so genuinely apologetic about his past. It’s amazing to see that people can change if they’re actually interested in doing so
@thomasjones4893
Жыл бұрын
It was actually pretty faith in humanity healing to see much Charlie's audience turned against him this time. A lot of people recognised he was speaking out his arse
@XenoDragn7
Жыл бұрын
I agree, I'm a massive fan of his and I watch his videos every day. But that video REALLY broke my heart.
@etfreima2080
Жыл бұрын
I used to like him back in the day and yeah people change, nbd. He's become unlikeable and it's weird he's within my peer group and is acting way younger than he is.
@SuperBelle33
Жыл бұрын
It's.... so weird that Charlie acknowledges people that might've been kids in 2016 and turned into bigots from watching iDubbbz, but not people who were kids AND black in 2016, like me, who internalized that kind of hatred towards themselves and others...? Bizarre.
@borababie9364
Жыл бұрын
also it wasn't just 14 year old kids watching his stuff. it was also *18* year old kids who were legal voting age in the US. even those 14 year olds are 21 now, and who knows how many of them have carried those opinions to adulthood?
@SuperBelle33
Жыл бұрын
@@borababie9364 true! ☹️
@2dcreative94
Жыл бұрын
And that's what we call a PRIVILEGE 💫 Not even Charlie is safe from it
@oliver1616
Жыл бұрын
oh definitely, I'm indigenous and while I didn't know I was trans + queer + autistic at the time, it gave me even more reason to be so distant from my culture and I hung out with people who'd use those slurs and hold transphobic views all the time, which was obviously fucked up and had an impact on my personal growth
@jotunn30
Жыл бұрын
i know it's overused sometimes..but yeah that's white priviliedge in full effect
@spacewaste2459
Жыл бұрын
I’m so glad you mentioned the sexism that often goes hand in hand with racism and other bigoted mentalities. Marginalized groups need to uplift each other as much as they can. We are all essentially fighting for the same thing: freedom, equality and basic respect.
@notaspeck6104
Жыл бұрын
That's why its so sad when POC are racist to each other... like fam did you not get the memo 😭But reading through these comments and watching this video really made me depressed. There's so many insensitive people and it's never been more clear that people are incapable of seeing things with any nuance. It's either woke or anti woke. It's really frustrating to see and I wish we could all just get along and judge each other based of personal experience and without generalising entire races and groups of people. Honestly I think the only solution is to be the best person you can, treat people with respect and live your life without caring about the internet and the idiots on it.
@minkybinker
5 ай бұрын
it's an open secret in leftist organizing that misogynists are the first ones to snitch to the cops
@PartialRenegade
Жыл бұрын
My big thing is that he still didn’t address that “racism, sexism, and transphobia are okay as long as your in your 20’s”. iDubs genuinely recognized that he did some hurtful shit and regretted building a platform off it. Meanwhile, Moist is like “it’s ok, that’s just the culture and he was in his MID TO LATE 20s”.
@Sweetenedcoffeearts
Жыл бұрын
I wanna add that as someone in their early 20... it hurts me hearing him use the excuse that I would like that kinda content when I absolutely don't. And many others don't either
@Tw0Dots
Жыл бұрын
Prob bc he prob had his cringe 20 yo edgelord moment. Justified it in his head that way ig. Projecting though. He did admit to going down that edgy path irrc, before he got friends & they helped him, this was around his college days etc etc But yea…lots of college-aged ppl _do_ know better & actually dont act like this so…weird excuse. (Especially for mid to late-20s ppl. Bc you cant keep using the “young & dumb” excuse bc your brain fully finishes development & reaches peak maturity at 25 so…)
@tsuki3752
Жыл бұрын
it’s okay to be forgiven for actions in your early 20s, but that doesn’t mean that they were okay IMO. they still warrant an apology, an understanding as to why they were wrong, and growth. like i’ve done horrible shit when i was younger and that doesn’t mean i’m a bad person but i have since learned that what i did was wrong and apologized to those who deserved it, and have grown. charlie is missing that part of it.
@kizanko
Жыл бұрын
Also to say that he was too old for the content when he is clearly two years younger than Ian lol.. he was in the age range of the people who were being influenced by the ''edgy'' content.. Also being too old doesn't mean you can't comprehend that racial slurs and homophobia, racism, sexism, and misogyny is bad.. It's not like it's ''cool'' in your 20s and when u turn 30 you'll be like ''oh now it's totally lame dude..'' or ''I'm too old to understand these topics, if only I was 20 so I could understand why these things are bad! I'm so clueless now!'' it's bad regardless of age, in fact age shouldn't even play a role, don't know why he used that as an excuse to distance himself from his weird defense on ''edgy slurs''
@nat9527
Жыл бұрын
That's what I don't get. Mid to late 20's is a LEGAL ADULT. Sure they might be inexperienced, but that doesn't excuse any of the things he did.
@ceoofeternaldamnation
Жыл бұрын
As a queer autistic person in the south, trying to navigate social circles as a young teen was already difficult enough, but iDubbz made it 100 times worse with his influence over boys in particular which lead to harassment in many ways. I’m happy to see he’s taken the initiative and apologized for his actions.
@Purplethingyt
Жыл бұрын
Yeah... wondering how much of myself even now is real, or was originally fabricated in an attempt to fit in and have friends back then
@eyeball000
Жыл бұрын
deja vu comment i feel like ive read this copy n paste verbatim BUT THEN AGAIN maybe this is unfortunately a common experience.
@porcelainkoi
Жыл бұрын
@@eyeball000 it, unfortunately, is a common experience
@aminahlvr
Жыл бұрын
@Reina yup very common. I experienced the exact same thing in elementary/middle school
@alexisstrother
Жыл бұрын
As a young woman in Louisiana, I completely agree that I’ve witnessed guys in high school directly refer to Tanas content cop to excuse their uses of an array of harmful slurs; as well as been the butt of their misogynistic jokes many many times.
@babyvia6712
Жыл бұрын
Something I noticed, D’Angelo, though it’s something relatively small: is that iDubbz explicitly condemns those who are trying to excuse his problematic behavior which is an important thing to say, especially from someone like him. It’s a great thing to do, because his whole platform was supported by people who agreed with his negative behavior. I think it’s a pretty good sign for change.
@krampusz
Жыл бұрын
I think you are onto something big here actually. Because with this Ian is condemning Charlie as well, who is literally trying do defend the "2016 edgy" stuff. No wonder Charlie took offense.
@babyvia6712
Жыл бұрын
@@krampusz that’s a good point. He dismisses all of that bad behavior as simply being “edgy” or for “shock value”, which really seems to makes me feel like he enjoyed this type of humor enough to defend it
@yasmingirl17
Жыл бұрын
I thought D’Angelo did this with the Ian tweet that he showed at the end?
@babyvia6712
Жыл бұрын
@@yasmingirl17 sort of, yeah but when I typed the original commented I hadn’t finished the video yet
@thegongoozler69
Жыл бұрын
Honestly, this video made me stop watching penguinz0. Not in an "oh he made one bad video and one mistake" type of way, but just in the fact it made me look back at just how much awful shit he's willing to excuse because 1 he either likes the person involved or 2 isn't in the group that's being hurt so he doesn't... give a shit? i dunno, this video made me kind of realize the type of message he puts out in his videos, that either A. It's not offensive/wrong if it's funny (to him), or B. It's something he's mad about and the internet agrees with him about, so suddenly it is offensive.
@Ohfr_
Жыл бұрын
Surprised you're watching this channel with those values
@shaniah9322
Жыл бұрын
Same 😐
@MetalBansheeX
11 ай бұрын
He's a coward. He'll never talk about trans people out of fear of angering his audience or making them unconfortable.
@klsecond5755
10 ай бұрын
@@MetalBansheeX he's based
@klsecond5755
10 ай бұрын
you dunno you said, so you are offended that he made one video where you didn't agree because you expect to be fed by an echo chamber of the same opinions you have.
@seacrystal6189
Жыл бұрын
I've actually seen some ex fans of idubbbz get angry at D'Angelo and straight up call him slurs. Goes to show that idubbbz was completely in the right when he said he created a horrible apathetic environment in his fanbase
@s.ce.76
Жыл бұрын
Ugh this is terrible... 😢
@quantumintelligence907
Жыл бұрын
Yeah because progressives definitely don't bust out old reliable when a black person doesn't agree with them.
@seacrystal6189
Жыл бұрын
@@stratosphere2323 Once again proving his point
@arson3236
Жыл бұрын
@@stratosphere2323 lmao, sweetie please calm down, you don't need to get all worked up
@lfap5055
Жыл бұрын
@@stratosphere2323 I don't think anyone ever said we had to ban them, but why would you want to ever say those words in the first place?
@hairscythe2257
Жыл бұрын
as an autistic person, i really appreciated ian's apology. it was yters like him who perpetuated ableism as a joke which ending up being extremely hurtful towards real autistic people. disabled people are always the butt of the joke and the things idubbz said just spread the idea that disabled people are jokes and ended up hurting people.
@everettlovesmen
Жыл бұрын
this!!!!
@insolencestar
Жыл бұрын
as a fellow autistic i just wanna second this - many people quoted his videos to me in high school and it made ableism a far more common occurrence in my daily life.
@tencolorpen
Жыл бұрын
i remember having to hear "autistic" used as an insult for years in middle and high school. it was huge. and tiring. it's like they didn't expect that one of their classmates would have autism right next to them, or like it wasn't a big deal. i got so tired of personally calling it out every time.
@hairscythe2257
Жыл бұрын
@@tencolorpen it always hurt so much. It really feels like you're disabled first and human second
@logik_08
Жыл бұрын
So people can't joke about autism? I don't really see the problem. Most people who joke about autistic people don't think they are less than to others, I dont think that when I joke about it, and I don't rlly think idubbbz was trying to enforce the idea of autism ppl being stupid when he joked abt them
@daviddobarganes9115
Жыл бұрын
Charlie sounds like such an enlightened centrist in this argument: "please don't change the institutionally racist system too fast guys, I'll get dizzy"
@samkuperman9035
Жыл бұрын
Isn’t he an enlightened centrist on most things? His takes were always pretty milquetoast
@iplayeddishonored2475
Жыл бұрын
@@samkuperman9035yes
@lenkerism
Жыл бұрын
i feel like a quote that applies really well to this video is “it’s not dark humor, you’re just an asshole.” (kurtis conner) it really sums up the fact that people hide their hatred and bias behind the label of being “edgy.” ian’s recognition of this is nice to see, especially because so many “edgy” influencers don’t realize the harm they are doing to young people who watch them. the things ian said will never be okay and he should always be held accountable, but it’s good to know that he had the maturity to apologize and address it. hopefully other people can learn from this and change their own views and opinions on edgy/dark humor.
@micah1387
Жыл бұрын
Charlie's response is very much giving the older white people who will say "You can't be mad at George Washington for having slaves because it was okay at the time". Socially acceptable does not mean okay, and just because something is considered normal by it's time doesn't excuse it.
@Monicat03
Жыл бұрын
@@sidar87 you can apologize for the unforeseen consequences of your actions bc ultimately they were your actions. This applies for idubbz, hes sorry for the things he said and did which caused a lot of harm to minorities. He didnt think that would happen but his intent doesnt justify what he did. He regrets it and wants to apologize and thats valid, and his apology has been in fact welcomed by plenty of people, specifically those communities that were affected.
@jovon6791
Жыл бұрын
@@sidar87L take after a L take? Just because you didn’t intend for something to be taken a certain way doesn’t mean your exempt from the consequences…?
@JH-yj7kk
Жыл бұрын
@Disar unfortunately our intentions are not the only thing that matters. We can mean well and still get it very, very wrong. We are still responsible for the consequences of our actions, even in that case.
@yellurbandana
Жыл бұрын
@sidar87 how incredibly stupid, seriously.
@AnekoFoxx
Жыл бұрын
@@sidar87 If you step on someone’s foot, even accidentally, you should still apologize.
@cynikov
Жыл бұрын
it felt like charlie completely invalidated everything 2016 idubbbz did. he WAS toxic along with others such as leafy, and definitely had a negative impact on the platform
@oscar12ty
Жыл бұрын
In what ways did he have a negative impact on the platform?
@krakenandtheratmovies781
Жыл бұрын
Yea it's definitely better now with every video being squeeky clean carbon copies of Mr Beast or 60 minute video essays on shit nobody cares about
@aerialdive
Жыл бұрын
@@oscar12ty i had a massive amount of people call me an array of slurs just because they watched idubbbz and thought it was acceptable.
@ddjsoyenby
Жыл бұрын
agreed he taught kids not only slurs but it was ok to use it as much as you want and if people were upset it was their fault and you should ignore it.
@Scarecrowwx
Жыл бұрын
Leafy was funny af lol
@moosetracks4436
Жыл бұрын
A lot of my bullies in school were fans of people who made content like idubbbz. They bullied my friends and said slurs and called us special snowflakes for just existing all while listening to Ian. He definitely gave young kids a space to fall down a pipeline. I am legitimately shocked by his apology and acknowledging the attitude of his fans. It was definitely harmful not just for his audience but for the people who had to interact with his audience as well.
@moosetracks4436
Жыл бұрын
Also never thought I’d be on Ian’s side ever. I mean 2016 was rough.
@anitaremenarova6662
Жыл бұрын
I think he goes a bit too hard on the self-flagellating guilt in the video. Bringing up the big performative charity donation wasn't necessary, he could've just said sorry and kept his word.
@fizzletea6743
Жыл бұрын
@@anitaremenarova6662 A lot of apology videos, especially apologizing for past harmful behaviors, are met with the criticism “actions speak louder than words”. A charity donation is a clear action that can be easily be confirmed, so it makes a lot of sense that he chose to do that. It’s easy to say the mentioning was unnecessary, but if he didn’t everyone would be asking, “well what actions are you going to take to fix this then?”
@janevoelker2386
Жыл бұрын
My abusive ex and his friends were all fans of idubbbz, and it greatly affected their views and way of interacting with the world. Idubbbz is always linked in my mind with that group of boys I knew. I'm so shocked but happy to see that apology, I never thought it would be possible, honestly.
@anitaremenarova6662
Жыл бұрын
@@fizzletea6743 This is what billionaires do as well. Making a one-time donation doesn't mean you have changed and is just a cheap way of buying sympathy. Imo it was one of the better apology videos until then, mans ruined all the genuiness it had.
@ksniderdesign
Жыл бұрын
“In 2016 that might have seemed like ‘the brand’ if you were fortunate enough to not be affected by it, but to me it felt like the plague” this is EVERYTHING.
@xChijouChanx
Жыл бұрын
Charlie's take is so weird. If I accidentally hurt someone, and it's not the intention, I still hurt someone and I should STILL apologize - even in much less severe situations. Ian acknowledged he hurt people, no matter what his intentions were, and that he accepted responsibility and apologized.
@soyborne.bornmadeandundone1342
Жыл бұрын
@nyx587 Good question. Does he just lack basic social norms? YES LOL. The answer to that question is yes. He talked about how he used to be a very shy insecure sheltered kid who got bullied for being small and nerdy. Combine that with becoming a small time millionaire streamer boy who's set for life? Yeah you're prolly going to be in a weird bubble that no one can relate to that you yourself would have a hard time getting out of. Charlie has become a weird pos as a result lol. Let's just hope he doesn't go full boogie or something lol.
@felixthefool6065
Жыл бұрын
Hi leeknow
@Gnsd45
Жыл бұрын
your comment was so braindead that it hurt me and it almost turned me into a misanthrope, i am waiting for my apology
@emilyau8023
Жыл бұрын
I don't even know why Charlie is popular
@homedepot.
Жыл бұрын
@@felixthefool6065WHY ARE STAYS EVERYWHERE?😭 I literally can’t scroll through comments without seeing a hyunjin, minho, or Felix pfp💀💀💀
@jiminiechubbycheeksj6296
Жыл бұрын
I'm honestly flabbergasted by Charlie's take, watching him say those things felt like an out of body experience. I really hope he responds to this video
@supersoupy4709
Жыл бұрын
i dont see why he would, this video doesn’t really add anything to the conversation
@jiminiechubbycheeksj6296
Жыл бұрын
@@supersoupy4709 but it would be nice to see Charlie respond to it regardless, since in his second video he didn't address people's actual problem with his first video
@MinorKey135
Жыл бұрын
@@supersoupy4709 that’s an interesting take. I thought this vid offered a great critique of Charlie’s tone/emotion policing and his consistent minimizing and justifying of racism
@jamesreagan8175
Жыл бұрын
He wouldn’t. He’s a racist coward and I wouldn’t be surprised if he runs away to Japan like Pewdiepie
@supersoupy4709
Жыл бұрын
@@MinorKey135 i agree, i just figured that seeing as how the video was seen as universally unfavourable, i feel like a lot of what was said has been said already. even by his own fans in his comment sections. it’s sort of an aggregation of what everyone has been saying up until anyways. it’s still well put together but i’m sure it’s nothing that charlie hasn’t already seen or isn’t aware of
@JohnnySantanaAwcom
Жыл бұрын
I think the 2 points that Charlie missed where 1. As a straight white man he doesn’t really get to say that racist and homophobic statements and slurs that don’t affect him at all aren’t harmful. That’s like watching a water balloon fight from the safety of inside and saying the people involved shouldn’t be wet. And 2. If the creator of the content is saying it’s problematic and racist then he doesn’t really have the right to say no it’s not
@vheataylorsyorkies7215
Жыл бұрын
People have the right to have an opinion about anything they want. We also get to say whatever we want lol saying a straight white man can't have an opinion on homophobia or racism is like saying homosexuals can't have opinions about straight people stuff, it's silly, we all have opinions about literally everything haha they aren't always good! But we all have em and have a right to them
@a3842-j3o
Жыл бұрын
i don’t understand the water balloon analogy
@tsuki3752
Жыл бұрын
@@vheataylorsyorkies7215 you are right to have them but everyone also has the right to criticize them. what charlie did had absolutely no research or empathy behind them, it’s like he trusted his own gut to tell people what it’s like to live in china when he has never lived in china and has never spoken to people who lived in china about what it’s like to live in china. he also had no reason to say these opinions… and has no reason to defend them. unless he wants to continually get criticism, then by all means.
@alexisc3658
Жыл бұрын
No one is saying that "straight white man can't have an opinion on homophobia or racism" they are saying that those individuals *might* not have the perspective or lived experiences required to understand them compleltly. And a straight white man assuming that he understands those concept to the point of talking over others (like Charlie did), is going to get called out. But calling out bad opinions is not infringing on someones rights. Obviously you can say whatever bullshit you want, but that doesn't free you from the consequences?
@moosesues8887
Жыл бұрын
@@a3842-j3o yeah very weird but it’s basically don’t try to talk about shit that has nothing to do with u basically
@scottietrademark
Жыл бұрын
It's so weird how offended Charlie is about the apology video. It was never for him but clearly Ian struck a nerve. Wonder why 🧐
@mole6140
Жыл бұрын
because his fan base is Ian's old fanbase
@dreamwclker
Жыл бұрын
@@mole6140 SOMEONE FINALLY SAID IT
@thefoxoflaurels3437
Жыл бұрын
Hit dogs holler
@matthewpunk2012
Жыл бұрын
It's so curious that you're pointing out how offended cr1tikal was, when this very comment section is nothing but people being deeply offended by a youtuber's opinion lol
@thefoxoflaurels3437
Жыл бұрын
@@matthewpunk2012 People get offended. It’s an emotion that lets you know when someone crossed a boundary of yours. That includes you. Acting like you’re above it is cowardly and is an excuse people use to try and reclaim power over their emotions they neither understand or wish to examine. Considering you’re saying something and feel this is hypocritical, evidently you found something so offensive it warrants mentioning. Taking offense does not mean outrage or anger. It means you have standards.
@MellowJelly
Жыл бұрын
From my perspective I feel like Charlie's ego felt irritated by Ian's apology, I think Charlie perceived Ian as acting "holier-than-thou" with his whole speech about empathy and how people need more of it generally speaking. So he had to chime in and show how well rounded his opinion on the matter was. It gives the same energy as kids who grew up being disciplined with physical violence saying "I was hit as a kid and I turned out fine, you're all just soft" lol
@divitiae
Жыл бұрын
I have never watched either of their videos, but it seemed very defensive and almost like projection to me. Like he felt guilty for things he'd said in the past and didn't like the idea that he would have to think about it
@athenarocks7657
Жыл бұрын
Gave me the same energy as someone who knows they have a drinking problem get angry when someone else decides to stop drinking.
@diablowizard457
Жыл бұрын
That is EXACTLY what I thought as well. His whole response to this situation felt so out of character for him, it definitely read as projection and trying to protect his own past racist thoughts…
@psychwardbarbie
Жыл бұрын
@@divitiae came here to say the same thing. I have watched Charlie for years and this is one of his worst takes tbh. He definitely was projecting and I hope he takes the criticism & accepts it rather than doubling down.
@MarzMwah
Жыл бұрын
@@athenarocks7657 you put exactly what i was feeling into words
@bippap1034
Жыл бұрын
The reaction to Charlie’s video is basically “damn that’s crazy, I don’t remember asking tho” High key embarrassing for him
@trash.pandaaa
Жыл бұрын
😂😂 all of this
@lobotoangel
Жыл бұрын
im late but charlie inserting himself into this situation is just fucking crazy idk ??? privileged as hell
@lobotoangel
Жыл бұрын
like what even compelled him to post that ..
@squirrel_disaster
Жыл бұрын
"Situation" lmao why do you take internet bs so seriously
@guyferrari8124
Жыл бұрын
What do you mean privileged? Literally anyone with a camera and internet connection can make a KZitem video
@Twink6629-lg3te
11 ай бұрын
@@squirrel_disasterbecause it effects how real people interact in the real world. These 12 year old white boys who make this humor, then see Charlie say nothing is wrong with it, are going to grow up to be voters, people with social positions and bigoted beliefs only get reinforced and given a safe space when you approach them with neutrality and say nothing to disprove them
@squirrel_disaster
11 ай бұрын
@@Twink6629-lg3te You know what, you're right, I don't honestly know why I made that comment, thanks for the reply
@mdg245
Жыл бұрын
I get the feeling that Charlie is projecting since he also started as an edgy creator and feels like iDubbz apologizing implies he should also self-reflect and apologize for harm he may have done. Innuendo Studios did a good video about that sort of response. Edit: Video is “Why are you so Angry: Angry Jack Part 2” and is part of their retrospective on Gamergate.
@meowingmortal
Жыл бұрын
link/title to the innuendo studios video please?
@ddwhaley1304
Жыл бұрын
Yes pretty please title/link it
@jadoisready
Жыл бұрын
@Mbita Acoustic no it's not. , it's to your music. I respect the grind though.
@ImAtYourMumsHouse
Жыл бұрын
100%. No other reason to have this much of a strong opinion against an apology.
@oliviarecommends
Жыл бұрын
I turned 50 in 2016. I was a teenager when Steve Dahl had his disco demolition night at Comiskey Park. The same year, my classmates -- who were Dahl fans -- talked about seeing if their fathers would let them borrow their nifty outfits made from white sheets for Halloween. It's inconceivable to me that anyone could think that the things that Ian said would *not* have an effect on his listeners.
@captaincalamity5025
Жыл бұрын
your life sounds incredibly interesting. thank you for this very insightful comment.
@samkeiser9776
Жыл бұрын
Turns out that the things people say do in fact matter, who’d have thunk.
@TahtahmesDiary
Жыл бұрын
These bizarre racist bandwagons absolutely have an impact, Im glad you said this because people tiptoe around the racism clearly behind the hatred of disco that was there. I’ve seen people argue they were “just tired because it was so popular for so long” and it’s baffling.
@fenrir3934
Жыл бұрын
Please 😊)ppplpppl0
@SmartStart24
Жыл бұрын
@@samkeiser9776 Apparently not Charlie lmao
@Korra228
Жыл бұрын
I think Ian's experience with his transgender fan was the most telling. I don't even know how I'd feel if I was in his place in that situation. I would probably feel deeply ashamed of myself.
@monharris28
Жыл бұрын
agree, i'm so glad that he had a moment of enlightenment
@jokistm1201
Жыл бұрын
Charlie avoids mentioning that like how he has avoided ever talking about trans people ever, honestly I have 0 doubt in my mind he's racist and queer phobic
@baintreachas
Жыл бұрын
imagine being the trans fan and accidentally setting off this man’s journey of repentance
@Zilithyne
Жыл бұрын
@@baintreachas Damn
@aniyilator
Жыл бұрын
@@baintreachas Big ups to them fr
@moons0monsters
Жыл бұрын
My best friend loved idubbbz as a kid. He really looked up to idubbbz, and it led to him being openly racist, saying shit like "H*tler did nothing wrong". He is now openly an incel and nazi. As a queer, disabled nonbinary person with tics, I was privileged enough to develop my disability later in life. That being said, I was openly queer when idubbbz was making content, and it did affect me, especially since one of my closest friends would give me secondhand exposure to his harmful rhetoric. I've never really been fully behind an apology, but I accept this one on behalf of me and only me. It seems he really has grown.
@ammobig
Жыл бұрын
"Disabled nonbinary person with tics"
@Maelin.
Жыл бұрын
@@ammobig? Why’d u highlight that?
@ammobig
Жыл бұрын
@@Maelin. read it again
@ScorpionClaws789
Жыл бұрын
@@ammobigOk, and?
@neru1584
11 ай бұрын
@@ammobig... Can you not be queer and have disabilities? Do you think that this is like a bad thing or like what's going on
@spdrhyder8194
Жыл бұрын
Going to middle school as a black kid during the "it was a different time era (2011-2013 ish)" was hell and it got even worse when 2016 rolled around. As someone who lived through being casually called slurs by randos and even my own friends, i hated it and i hated every justification. I hated every mini idubbz and every shane dawson supporter that would confront me with slurs and stereotypes just because i was nearest black kid. Did i laugh at it sometimes? Yes. Was it funny? No. If i didnt laugh the "obvious joke" at my expense, i was bullied harder. I was labeled "too sensitive" and was boiled down to "another angry black" for being rightfully upset. And that was *just* at school. KZitem until maybe 2018, was a cesspit. If you even hinted at not liking a "joke" that was just any kind of "-ist" or "-phobic", you were dogpiled into oblivion with more slurs in the comments. But no "it wasn't just a different time" it was 2010's and i wish people would stop talking about it like it was 100 years ago. Just because "everyone's causally racist, ableist, or -phobic" doesnt mean those communities weren't impacted by it negatively. I'm glad idubbz and some other problematic youtubers from that time have apologized. Because even though they weren't the genesis of all targeted hate in the world, they were parts of the problem. And the ONLY ones who can accept or deny the apologies are the AFFECTED GROUPS and no one else
@Lydia-dd9bo
Жыл бұрын
This! I'm white but I was an openly gay kid in middle school in rural nebraska during this time. The amount of times I heard the word F@ggot... It was bad. People would throw food at me at lunch, call me slurs in the halls and laugh and make snide comments at me when I presented in class. And I know for a fact these kids watched iDubbz and others like him. They'd watch his videos openly at lunch on their phones. It started with people like iDubbz and then they'd fall further and further down the alt-right pipeline. Of course for a straight cis white man like Charlie, 2016 was just fine! But for anyone different, it was hell.
@kikivenom
Жыл бұрын
exactly. im too young to know if ppl were less racist before everyone started imitating their favorite internet racist but it freaks me out knowing that a bazillion young white boys could literally turn back 100 years of social progress b/c they saw a youtube video. and i'm glad that it's turning around, i'm glad to see people apologizing, but there's still a huge amount of kids that ate that shit up wholesale and grew up into adults who can vote. i used to watch filthyfrank, idubbz, & others. and that kind of messed with me! i remember teachers having to tell students not to write the n-word/other slurs everywhere and they made some sort of game out of it. i remember some kid quoting the idubbz "crippling depression" in class and the teacher literally went off like "i literally have crippling depression. what are you laughing about" i'm filipina and filthyfrank "welcome to the rice fields motherfucker" plays in my head constantly whenever ppl think i'm like east asian & make a chinese joke or some shit. altho i don't think i got it as bad, i'm pretty sure idubbz or someone else taught everyone all the asian slurs. i'm still afraid of coming out of the closet cuz i pretty much developed a internalized fear of becoming the "special snowflake" stereotype and i'm afraid of getting my ass beat by grown men that learned to hate me from watching edgy youtubers in middle/high school. at some point i learned i can't really try to hide some things about me or laugh it off even though i'm the sort of person who always tries to play it safe. & dear god i hope there isn't another generation of edgelords ever again, but i hope we've at least learned a little.
@counterfeit_red
Жыл бұрын
To white people, every time in the past gets stamped with "it was a different time" depending on how racist they themselves were in that period. I don't say that about 2011-16 because I knew better by then. Hell, we all have always known what slurs are and what racism or sexism are. People just cared less in the past. They knew.
@credenzamostro
Ай бұрын
My greatest concern is that we end up forgetting what those years were like and history just ends up repeating itself
@lettersnstuff
Жыл бұрын
Charlie is a white man living in a pretty segregated city, in a state that is rolling back as many civil rights as it can, as fast as it can. Are we surprised he doesn’t really have a good grasp on racial or other minority issues? I don’t think he’s a bad guy, just that this kind of stuff hasn’t come up in a meaningful way for him, probably ever. This isn’t a defense of him, a bad take is a bad take regardless, but a reminder that this is basically how the average white american views these issues. we got a long way to go.
@seroquelz
Жыл бұрын
I think we have to stop skirting around calling ppl bad guys, when they are in fact bad guys. Someone who is apathetic to the hurt of other people is not a good guy.
@lae01
Жыл бұрын
@@seroquelzpeople will refuse to call someone a bad guy unless they’re committing straight up crimes. It’s annoying
@OpinionatedChicken59
Жыл бұрын
He doesn't look white
@bunnybwn
Жыл бұрын
I think charlie is likely mixed or a different ethnicity, coming from a white person myself, but I definitely agree with your comment besides that point/pos
@odiousghoul
Жыл бұрын
@@OpinionatedChicken59 he does tho??
@goosefinder9769
Жыл бұрын
When Filthy Frank made a video discussing about his health problems his "fans" went wild and poor dude had to remove that video. Now those same idiot fans mourn how they failed him. H3H3 had to face awful comments when he moved from his edgy right wing content. idubbz's fans started showing symptoms of disgust towards him when he got a girlfriend. He made a video about antivaxxers and got mixed reception. I am happy for these three. I hope they grow as a human and as a content creator.
@0uttaS1TE
Жыл бұрын
They kind of are growing. Frank, especially. He managed to get a fully clean break from the man he was online, and forge a new identity. Not many people can do the same
@luchirimoya
Жыл бұрын
Man I felt so bad for Joji when he said he was having STRESS INDUCED SEIZURES from making Flithy Frank videos and from his horrid fanbase... and his fans took it so badly he had to delete the video and pretend that never happened? I was still a teen when that happened and I didn't fully understand most things tbh, especially since English isn't my first language and I was still learning at the time, but... yeah. I'm so glad these creators are actively distancing themselves from their toxic fanbase
@dopamine5170
Жыл бұрын
did joji make any more statements about it though? something more like idubbbz one, because while it was a lot lesser he did contribute to a lot of the racist/misogynistic/etc air in 2016. i really liked his early music as joji, but i cant help but feel he got off a bit scott free
@MissSam
Жыл бұрын
Do you think we could do Pewdiepie in 5 years or so🤔 /jk
@SmartStart24
Жыл бұрын
@@dopamine5170 I love his music too but yeah as far as I know he hasn’t really explicitly addressed his role in that toxic culture. Who knows maybe he’ll pull an iDubbz soon, here’s hoping.
@katn3344
Жыл бұрын
Charlie’s videos suck now. I’ve watched his videos since I was in middle school and I’m a college student now. His videos were mostly him playing video games and making funny jokes. It was especially funny when he would play horror games because of how calm he acted while he played them. Now all he does is react to other people’s videos and give weird centrist takes. Then to see that he thinks someone who normalized racial slurs shouldn’t apologize? Just insane.
@p_cuda9717
Жыл бұрын
Feel like the entire youtube scene is oversaturated with commentary channels on both sides of the spectrum so to speak. Both sides just spitting common sense but acting like it's a hot take etc.
@unknownlogicman9399
Жыл бұрын
I’ve stopped watching most commentary channels in general. Most of the time it feels like a bunch of folks repeating the same arguments/points while having toxic communication/fandoms. @p _cuda9717 said it best, it’s people spitting common yet acting like it’s a hot take.
@klsecond5755
10 ай бұрын
you are in the minority, he hated making those low effort gaming videos. He's peaking now for a reason so you don't have to like commentary videos.
@thirdwheel9938
7 ай бұрын
Unrelated but it's so fucking funny to me how he refused to take the L on his video titled "huge L take" Such clickbait smh
@AceofSpades-zi6zx
7 ай бұрын
I like watching them sometimes but he said that content made him absolutely miserable, because it is just empty content after that doesn't have much that makes it rewatchable.
@saranghae1saranghae
Жыл бұрын
Ian's apology is probably the only youtuber apology I actually give a sh*t about because it's not vague. It's to the point, and directed at the specific people he's apologizing towards (I'm one of them). No one has to forgive him, but it's really comes off as genuine because: 1) He could have enjoyed the rest of his life unaffected by his critics. 2) His career isn't under threat, and there was no scandal bringing him to this point.
@kellei9h
Жыл бұрын
Actually no, I think the Sam Hyde drama prompted it
@sugma148
Жыл бұрын
While nice, what truly prompted it is his ball breaking wife who gets off on pushing him and berating him to this point.
@allisoncastle
Жыл бұрын
Jenna marbles’ was great too. She was apologizing for content in the past and she actually showed the specific videos one by one before apologizing for each. The apology wasn’t for me so I’m not going to say it was like “good enough to redeem her” or anything, but I just thought her apology was a lot like idubbbz. Also, she wasn’t even being cancelled, she just felt so bad about it. But I completely agree with 99% of this comment.
@allisoncastle
Жыл бұрын
@@sugma148 Why are you even here?
@TamTam-rq4nc
Жыл бұрын
@@sugma148 we found the idubbz fan
@actionjackson3522
Жыл бұрын
iDubbz's content seems like it was popular with "edgy" teens and adults, who only encountered slurs on a gaming server and never directed at them.
@SocialMediaIsntReal
Жыл бұрын
Spill
@stanloona000
Жыл бұрын
@@SocialMediaIsntReal hey fellow orbit
@kawaiipateu147
Жыл бұрын
You mean white men and women
@vinnie906
Жыл бұрын
Well, on one end we have IDubbz telling his racist audience that they're no longer welcome. And on the other hand, we have Charlie casually saying "it's ok guys, come to me. I'm your Jesus"
@joshstubs2927
Жыл бұрын
Embarrassing that you give slurs that much power over you. Go enjoy your Amy Schumer level comedy.
@ghostlytavern129
Жыл бұрын
I’m trying not to think of that but you’re right god. That’s so painful I don’t want to be unwelcome in a community anymore
@vvotchme1576
Жыл бұрын
it makes sense why he doesn’t say much
@adrianoctavio
2 ай бұрын
Here after charlie did exactly what you predicted and only spoke up about cody ko after you, a prominent male figure in the community, talked about it
@Shanecerity
2 ай бұрын
same
@radiofloyd2359
2 ай бұрын
Ok this is extremely unfair. The allegations had *no* perceived credibility in the eyes of the public before D'Angelo made his video. That is bad in itself, but to be expected when Tana is already a pariah of KZitem commentary spaces.
@pankitaneja
2 ай бұрын
It was a problem with everyone else, not just charlie
@oatesnmilk
Ай бұрын
@@radiofloyd2359no perceived credibility? There were clips floating around the internet for years, women had been talking about it way before D’angelo…
@cupriferouscatalyst3708
Жыл бұрын
"It's just edgy" is such a pet peeve of mine. Maybe it's just me, but having grown up on Tumblr I've always associated "edginess" with things like horror movie graphic t-shirts, butterfly knives and songs in which they say "fuck" a lot. Being intentionally mean and hurtful to make some kind of vague point about free speech or mental fragility or whatever isn't edgy, it's just a display of lacking empathy. IMO.
@mimsycookiiess
Жыл бұрын
I agree!
@audreyhatch7115
Жыл бұрын
Yes 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻
@littleshante
Жыл бұрын
👏🏾👏🏾 apathy is not the flex some people like to pretend it is.
@internetstranger-
Жыл бұрын
YES. thank you.
@shuou2794
Жыл бұрын
exactly
@user-qn3gd4yy4f
Жыл бұрын
Ive literally had people in real life quote Idubbbz as an argument as why it was ok to call me a dyke, faggot, etc. I can respect the apology, and know it was necessary, but no one is required to forgive him. The effect he had shouldn't be downplayed.
@blissfuldj7627
Жыл бұрын
I think we should encourage him to continue to be a better person though, because im still in shock that anyone managed to change their awful opinions
@Izzy_jam
Жыл бұрын
Watching this video fully made me realize why so many people would say “I don’t understand why you’re upset, it’s just words”. Like I fully know people made fun of me and called me names just to get a reaction out of me and I tried not to give them one, but always did because I was an insecure teenager. When I would address it, it was always that I was being dramatic and it was just words. I was mostly called silly things that more annoyed me than upset me, but I was also called things that were actually offensive and they viewed all of them the same. It crazy how much this video made a lot of things make sense.
@469ka37
Жыл бұрын
@Blissful DJ And this right here is the problem. You want people hurt by his actions to forget them completely because he apologized. Forgiveness loses its power if we forget what they were apologizing for in the first place. But I think what's even more telling is that iDubbz himself doesn't want them to forget what they're forgiving him for because he holds himself to that higher standard. It's up to him to grow and change and continue to have empathy. Not rescind that the moment someone hurt by his actions doesn't forgive him because if that's the case did he truly change? Did someone change if their actions are dependent on your forgiveness? Or should their change be dependent on themselves and their own personal journey?
@sarinabina5487
Жыл бұрын
D'Angelo literally says that in the video???
@troy511
Жыл бұрын
@@sarinabina5487 i don’t think this comment is disagreeing with him
@MediecreGoddess
Жыл бұрын
you know the youtube community is broken when as soon as we get a genuine and decent apology video, someone who wasn't even relevant to the effect party decides to "criticise" it
@chronometer9931
Жыл бұрын
What made him not relevant?
@bruh......2005
Жыл бұрын
@@chronometer9931 it's pretty obvious, don't pretend like you don't know
@Gnsd45
Жыл бұрын
GENUINE APOLOGY SHE SAIDDDD HAHAHAHAHAHAHA there are no limits to the parody type of comments i m seeing here, imagine calling this a genuine apology, how easy do you have to be to get fooled.... you seem to be the dream victim for a scammer.... imagine, just imagine, and then you re so braindead and hypocritic on the who has the right to criticize too that i can only facepalm and try to forget it.... why are you criticizing charlies video when you arent relevant in it? :)
@earth2zamiyah
Жыл бұрын
@@stratosphere2323if that’s the case then the worlds been broken for centuries… nothings changed.
@fergferginson8623
Жыл бұрын
@@stratosphere2323hy are you under every comment
@justinhamilton8647
Жыл бұрын
Charlie Critikal is basically what happens when a single man takes being compared to jesus one time WAY too personally
@blair..
Жыл бұрын
oh my god thank you. i was literally so shocked when he refused to show the clips of idubbbz talking about his fan meetups in BOTH of his videos. charlie has literally always refused to talk about anything related to trans people and it honestly shocks and worries me as a trans person. thank you for talking about this.
@papermario3982
Жыл бұрын
He doesn't want to alienate his right wing audience by 'getting political' but fuck that, those people need to be alienated and being apolitical is a political stance
@rosesweetcharlotte
Жыл бұрын
I just want you to know, you're valid as a human being. Charlie and his fans are just people who don't want to grow up.
@esterh0000
Жыл бұрын
It definitely rubbed me the wrong way a while ago when SunnyV2 made a transphobic video and Charlie barely spoke on it, when hes someone who used to always support and watch Sunny’s content. All he said was, yeah it was bad, and left it at that, when hes called out others for far less.
@kaleido457
Жыл бұрын
Ever since he platformed transphobe Count Dankula on his podcast I knew he didn't give a shit about us. And this was in 2018.
@eldritchbidoof
Жыл бұрын
@@esterh0000 to the best of my knowledge he didn't even talk at all about the JK Rowling/HP game stuff either, right?
@BabaPlaysGames
Жыл бұрын
Charlie talking about 'real racists' was the point in his video that I completely checked out. It's not like he's stupid enough to not know that the only difference between a real racist and a pretend racist is how comfortable they feel around people.
@wasserperson
Жыл бұрын
He used the phrase "legitimate racist" too, which feels way too close to Todd Akins' horrific quote about women's bodies...
@BabaPlaysGames
Жыл бұрын
@@wasserperson People like him experience life as a series of legos. Blocks that can be interchanged for different phases of life. Like of course it's not real racism, he just has a phase. It's a fools way of masking agenda.
@smoothie3993
Жыл бұрын
iDubbz cited personal experiences where a trans fan was still a fan despite genuinely believing he was transphobic and that his fans bullied his wife and he said learn to be more empathetic and charlie really said “actually you’re wrong”
@whatisupbruh2738
Жыл бұрын
Charlie’s response to this situation was absolutely insane to me. Him completely missing the point of the apology made me realize that a lot of content creators literally have no idea how their content can inadvertently hurt minorities
@JohnDoe-ou7mq
Жыл бұрын
he missed the point because there was no point to begin with.😂 I'm sure most people forgot about idubbz until he brought it up for no reason
@anyalaASMR
Жыл бұрын
@@JohnDoe-ou7mq “for no reason” he felt bad and apologized…
@faithu.5028
Жыл бұрын
@@JohnDoe-ou7mq alot of ppl remember
@JohnDoe-ou7mq
Жыл бұрын
@@faithu.5028 not as many cared tho, not a big deal as yall making it out to be
@tj6800
Жыл бұрын
@@JohnDoe-ou7mq why are you on this channel if you manage to be so unaware of the impact that showing racism, homophobia, transphobia, ableism, etc. to young impressionable kids has. rewatch this video for me 👍🏾
@koffinrott
Жыл бұрын
"I think he was influenced by how internet culture has changed" says Charlie, before missing the point and going on a chronically online rant befitting of a 4chan man-baby. Truly an L moment for him. Unfortunate.
@dougthealien
Жыл бұрын
How is the change bad as well? Does he wish that people still made those awful jokes or something?? Very revealing unfortunately.
@quandaredevil
Жыл бұрын
yeah that line specifically was very head turning for me. sounds like some "this new generation is so sensitive" shit to me
@Tatertwat05
Жыл бұрын
I…not to defend charlie…but how can you say “chronically online rant befitting of a 4chan man baby,” and then say “L moment for him” unironically…that’s like the most chronically online phrase
@WrangleMcDangle
Жыл бұрын
bro why do you care so much lol
@felix_a_fiend
Жыл бұрын
@@Tatertwat05 to be fair, it’s a phrase that people say out loud. It’s hardly a phrase you need to be online for.
@bap_plays
Жыл бұрын
Charlie was too old to be young and impressionable, he probably knew idubbbz wasn't coming from a malicious place but I was in highschool and 100% idubbbz, filthyfrank, maxmoefoe, and anythingforviews ALL influenced the boys in my life, even tho it was "all jokes" I hated myself for being a women and it's been a journey getting rid of my intermisogynist. I also thought all slurs were okay cause of the "context" but that's just wrong and I wish I had never consumed that content when I was young.
@goldenboy3154
Жыл бұрын
Right, I think the bigger issue is that young boys are more impressionable than people realize. At the end of the day they’re trying to develop their identity and an online cult of personalities is just poison to teens.
@bums009
Жыл бұрын
@@goldenboy3154 so it's "will someone pls think of the children" again. I dunno man, I wish their parents would have thought about them but I dunno why it's the problem of the adults making content at the time.
@mayathedreamgirl1357
Жыл бұрын
@@bums009 They knew who their audience was and so they knew they were making money off of kids. Even so, racist, sexist, ableist, and homophobic jokes are in very poor taste.
@goldenboy3154
Жыл бұрын
@@bums009 to be fair I also spoke too soon (aka before the rest of the clips)
@sashagemini7623
Жыл бұрын
@@goldenboy3154 Phew. That part. I know Andrew Tate is going to make a LASTING impact on a lot of these kids. I would hate to be the parent of a young boy right now.
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