Soviet Kilo Class Diesel-Electric Attack Submarine Magnitogorsk B-405 5th Dec 1984, Norwegian Coast - 0600 Hours Back to the Soviet side and today we check out one of the Soviets more advanced boats in the 1984 campaign, with a twist. I hope you enjoy! Remember To get a FREE audiobook download and 30 day free trial simply create an account at: ►► www.audibletrial.com/MagzTV Grabbing your free account will give you over 180,000 available titles to choose from and will also help support the channel. If you would like to help support the channel directly, Please consider donating a small amount on Patreon: ►► www.patreon.com/MagzTV
@TheDogThatBarks
7 жыл бұрын
MagzTV mate theres no game, only black screen and yoie speaking
@MagzGTV
7 жыл бұрын
Sounds like a problem on your end mate, I can see it just fine on two separate computers here. Edit: And a tablet just to be safe.
@DeadMeatAU
7 жыл бұрын
works fine for me, check your contrast and brightness settings on your monitor... or don't use a shit web browser
@swordfish2825
7 жыл бұрын
Magz your opening in russian was horrible fyi
@MagzGTV
7 жыл бұрын
I know, It's only going to get worse :P
@violinbird77
7 жыл бұрын
Watching an entire fleet be mercilessly picked off with no chance for survival... I've never truly appreciated the engineering and potential of Submarines until Cold Waters...but they are utterly terrifying.
@scoman91
7 жыл бұрын
Watching this made me think that if we ever get to a level of space warfare with real spaceships then it'll probably be a lot like submarine warfare instead of big battleship style. Space is huge and being able to detect your target before they pick you up will be vital.
@beckettfordahl5450
7 жыл бұрын
siiver7 I just couldn't imagine drowning in freezing water from something you never saw.
@antred11
6 жыл бұрын
@@scoman91 Hiding a spaceship in space is a lot harder than hiding a sub in the ocean, though.
@nerd1000ify
5 жыл бұрын
@@antred11 There is no stealth in space. Any useful spaceship has a heat signature that is visible from half a solar system away.
@baykazdal
5 жыл бұрын
Submariners would say there are two types of seagoing vessels ...Submarines and their targets
@RetroAmateur2
7 жыл бұрын
-Hey, how much your sub weighs? -A Kilo
@sarpkaplan4449
7 жыл бұрын
Mad Dog Tannen get out man
@RetroAmateur2
7 жыл бұрын
"Laughs in evil"
@TheTripleAce3
7 жыл бұрын
"It couldn't handle my Russian love missile" Insert gif of George Takei saying "Oh My"
@Kaarl_Mills
5 жыл бұрын
RA RA Rasputin, Russia's greatest love machine. There was a cat that really was gone
@Kaarl_Mills
5 жыл бұрын
To hammer home some of the advantages a Diesel Electric sub has over a Nuclear one: during a joint training exercise a Swedish Diesel sub scored a mock sinking on an American Carrier. So imagine a tiny little sub that that snuck into the middle of a Carrier battle group of well over a dozen enemy ships, and blew up a multi billion dollar CV
@_R-R
2 жыл бұрын
And the HMAS Waller (SSG 75) "sank" two USN amphibious assault ships in water just over 230 feet deep. That sub is 254 feet long.
@WildBillCox13
6 жыл бұрын
There is a large discrepancy. Knox class Frigates had only one shaft. From the Wikipedia: "1 shaft, one Westinghouse steam turbine, 2 V2M boilers. total 35,000 shp (maximum)" We made 30 nauts in ours, briefly, with the whole ship shuddering like it wanted to time travel.
@briananthony4044
5 жыл бұрын
Knox skin over a generic hull I suspect
@_R-R
Жыл бұрын
Generic hulls in earlier mods. The Iowas were once modeled with Sverdlovs.
@chrdal
7 жыл бұрын
I really enjoy these sub videos. My father served on Norwegian Kobben-class submarines in 79-80.
@Viper-dn8ix
7 жыл бұрын
Magz, that was the most evil laugh I have ever heard from you. (After the second missile launch).
@MagzGTV
7 жыл бұрын
:)
@elliotjordan8472
7 жыл бұрын
It's my birthday and Magz has uploaded...superb!
@jettstorm2253
7 жыл бұрын
"It couldn't handle my Russian love Missile"- MagzTV 2017
@onewhosaysgoose4831
7 жыл бұрын
"Exploding Love"
@Cdodders27
7 жыл бұрын
Managed to kill a Victor III at paint scraping range, with no torps/working tubes left, with its own torp. was surprisingly difficult to do
@Allan_aka_RocKITEman
2 жыл бұрын
*MagzTV:* _"It doesn't have a toad sonar array, so I'm completely reliant on just the passive sensors that are inside the submarine itself, and... _*_OOOOH, SH*T."_* 😊😊😊😊😊
@zzodr
7 жыл бұрын
In the campaign, I sunk a Typhoon on the surface with my last TASM. Already hit it with my last torpedo and it surfaced.. If the TASM missed the Typhoon was going to start WWIII. Lucky.
@jaypeal7260
7 жыл бұрын
I love this series. It is much better than other Cold Waters Videos. Much more entertaining and ... you dont record with face cam like others. Thank you for this and for shure 'thumps up' !! :D
@julopabene8736
7 жыл бұрын
I like the way you included the after-battle report, thanks! :D
@vaserus5685
7 жыл бұрын
No-one can handle your love missile Magz..
@videomaniac108
5 жыл бұрын
I really like your commentary and analysis on the subs. If I'm not mistaken, the Soviet Kilo class was a copy of advanced research design that the US had been doing on its own diesel-electric sub.
@briananthony4044
5 жыл бұрын
The 1950's Albacore experimental sub, then Skipjack and diesel-powered Barbel class
@ichor732
Жыл бұрын
I absolutely love the diesel electric v nuclear sub sperg in this video, hardest ive ever listened
@antonrudenham3259
6 жыл бұрын
I've noticed that even in a nuke travelling at flank speed merchants often maintain their distance. Even if you're travelling exactly twice as fast as them and slow to 5 kn at their last known position they are still the same range off, this must be a glitch I think.
@dom69foco
7 жыл бұрын
There's Norway those supplies are coming through...
@bgabor1911
7 жыл бұрын
Great video Magz, as always, and what a legendary boat!
@curtiscruncher
3 жыл бұрын
I appreciate Jives streams but your vids have a much more cinematic quality which i really appreciate
@brendaproffitt1011
7 жыл бұрын
Incredible job ..great moves too. Awesome information on this video too.. good game also thank you so much for your videos I do greatly appreciate it I enjoy watching too
@ΣπύροςΑυγέρης-β1λ
2 жыл бұрын
Κιλο ένα από τα καλύτερα Υπόβριχια
@sammccloud4984
7 жыл бұрын
These videos are amazing! Keep it up!!
@hussar1681
7 жыл бұрын
I love Cold Waters, but it still is pretty damn easy even on elite difficulty (unless you take Narhwal that pulls 8knts less than LA class) Magz. If you wanna a true challange, try the Realism Mod next time. Spice it up with Retro UI and perhaps new campaign map with depth marked on it of the seabed - I guarantee you'll like it.
@MagzGTV
7 жыл бұрын
As I have already covered several times and even addressed in my last cold waters video I will be installing the realism mod in the future, likely for the 1968 campaign. The reason why I am not installing it now is because it can break pre-existing campaign saves. As I am sure you have noticed I am 11 videos into a play through of the campaign, a mod change would require a total campaign restart from scratch.
@hussar1681
7 жыл бұрын
1968 campaign would be a good start indeed (esp nobody does it on yt). Just be aware that realism mod is not compatible with the mods that add subs, especially russian subs (sadly). Also with help of JSGM (or better program) you can compile numerous 'override' folders and switch between them for each video without much hassle. Also, the full realism mod didn't broke my vanilla campaign (albeit 1.06b update made me start again so i don't know how 1.05b save would react).
@ChaosphereIX
7 жыл бұрын
Great vid Magz. Love the CW content. You got no ESM at first because you were too deep - modding issue you have to be at 40ft.
@glassfullofmilk
7 жыл бұрын
Pretty sure the Russian version of the Moss is called the Moss-ski 😉
@hughjass5156
7 жыл бұрын
Naw. thats the polish version. Russian is the Mosskovich
@thedesertfox8737
7 жыл бұрын
The Moskvitch would make a perfect decoy, now that I think about it...
@urishima
7 жыл бұрын
See, don't knock diesel-electric subs. One time on a NATO maneuver, a German 206a, managed to sneak past the escorts of ther carrier Enterprise, took a photo of it and fired a salvo of sim-torpedos at it. And that's our old boats, not the new 212a.
@tyfighters002verkerk9
7 жыл бұрын
urishima 4
@ogel3747
7 жыл бұрын
danaolsongaming actually, the German boats are powered by fuel cells and are also only limited by their crew
@mikandagi
7 жыл бұрын
USN is embarrassingly under-prepared to counter diesel-electric boats, the was a time during RIMPAC where Korean 209 boats (German design) sneak in to the middle of CVG, same thing also happened with the Swedish Navy Gotland boat, which then contracted by the Navy for ASW sparring partner for about a year.
@Cragified
7 жыл бұрын
Ogel, The fuel for the fuel cells is limited (3 weeks submerged) and could only be regenerated through electrolysis if such equipment where installed (compressors would be too noisy so isn't) which would require the diesel engines for power which again requires their own fuel. So yes, they are limited by their fuel stores. Also a submarine using a snorkel is not exactly a fun experience. The snorkel has a check valve in it so it can just barely protrude form the water and when it dips the water does not go rushing down the intakes pipe. The intake pipe simple opens to the engineering space and is not directly connected to the engine intakes for two reasons. 1. If water did come down the pipe you don't want it to hydrolock your diesel engines. 2. You don't want to stall your diesel engines when the check valve closes. The unavoidable end result is this is that every time the valve closes due to a wave the engines are now pulling air from the sub and shooting it out the exhaust to the surface lowering the air pressure since ICE engines are essentially air pumps at their basic level. The effect is like being on an aircraft that is constantly rapidly ascending and descending and your ears pop like crazy.
@briananthony4044
5 жыл бұрын
@@mcpuff2318 Including a Chinese Song class diesel electric lol, and the escorts included a LA nuke.
@Allan_aka_RocKITEman
4 жыл бұрын
At 06:02 in this video: It...WAS a tanker. 😊
@jwahduck
7 жыл бұрын
Love the video Magz. watching you play makes me want to buy this so much
@Cdodders27
7 жыл бұрын
Have you tried the Brit boats in the pack? I have a campaign with a Trafalgar sub going, it seems to have Soviet passive sonar, keep going into engagements and not finding a thing
@MagzGTV
7 жыл бұрын
I'm kinda avoiding any of the new boats added by the mod until the mod is advanced enough to give them there correct models and a once or twice over on the stats. All the boats I am driving are originals to the game they just have been activated for player control.
@Cdodders27
7 жыл бұрын
Fair enough
@ChaosphereIX
7 жыл бұрын
Trafalgar has its own sonars added, 2076 suite IIRC. Decent sonar actually if you look at the in game stats.
@nunopereira265
3 жыл бұрын
If you don't have a submarine force in constant mission around then use the cheap and useful diesel electric subs, they might not stay a lot of time underwater compared to a nuclear one but they are positive in a lot of aspects
@dixievfd55
7 жыл бұрын
I managed to find and sink the Kiev. What an expensive loss for the Soviet Union, especially the Red Banner Fleet as they only built three and sold one of them.
@robhess9
6 жыл бұрын
Can stay down for a month without having to surface? Um, quite a bit less than that before they have to at least snorkel the diesels to recharge the batteries. And those diesel engines make a ton of noise.
@MagzGTV
6 жыл бұрын
This isn't WW2 mate, Modern Diesel electrics use Fuel Cells to generate electricity to recharge batteries while submerged via oxidation-reduction reaction. This technology while new for commercial applications such as electric cars has been in use in Submarines for around three decades.
@briananthony4044
5 жыл бұрын
@@MagzGTV It may be an old concept, but is not generally in use until quiet recently.
@siimalas3638
7 жыл бұрын
Getting that pronunciation out of the way, I could hardly understand what you were saying! Yes, it indeed was a great morning for the Soviet navy. Ест харашо видео товарищ, командир! Just to clarify, I speak very little Russian.
@PugViking
7 жыл бұрын
As a Norwegian, I find this highly offensive! How could you, Magz?! I trusted you!
@MagzGTV
7 жыл бұрын
Well I am playing both ends from the middle, now I have to jump back into my 688 and go beat up the Russians for sinking the convoy :P
@PugViking
7 жыл бұрын
I guess I'll just have to take your word for it. But I'm getting my brunost and smalahove supplies one way or another!
@Mecalas
7 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the vid. Very informative and well executed mission! Yes.. towed array on a D/E sub like the Kilo would be nuts. I wonder what the latest tech. in batteries, electric motors and sub design could produce today in regards to endurance, speed and stealth? Also, there's the possibility of using fuel cells to generate power and air via the very seawater that the sub is surrounded by. Tis a shame that the crew needs to be fed ;-)
@MagzGTV
7 жыл бұрын
Look up the German Type 212 Class, The Australian Collins Class and the Swedish Gotland Class.
@ChaosphereIX
7 жыл бұрын
and the French Barracuda [will replace the Collins] and Scorpene class. Modern DE subs with AIP propulsion are very dangerous little subs - they have massively increased endurance and they are the quietest things in the water.
@flashart8636
7 жыл бұрын
Having been in the RAN when we switched from Oberons to Collins', most of the Squadron hated them. General consensus was that they were far noisier than the old O boats, and had a few other problems besides......
@Mecalas
7 жыл бұрын
I was referring to today. The Type 212 was designed in 1994 (or thereabouts) and has fuel cells, Collins class design started around the 1980s' or earlier AFAIK with no fuel cells and the Gotland class is of a similar vintage with no fuel cells. The Collins class appears to be the largest of the three. Batteries have come a long way since then, as has fuel cell technology. The new AIP technology (carrying liquid oxygen supply the diesel engines) looks cool but I'd prefer to see fuel cells doing that job - no need for LOX tanks!
@MagzGTV
7 жыл бұрын
Just because the design started in a particular year, doesn't mean that in the decade that the design took to develop that no tech from beyond that first year was added. The type 212 program started designed in 1994, The projects first boat was entered into service in 2002 and like any design it was updated the the latest tech the whole way through it's design progress to it's final type and she has then received post service upgrades the same as any major piece of warfare up to current standards. The same can be said of pretty much any in service boat still in the first half of it's life cycle, The Collins class for example is not but they had there last major overhaul sometime around the mid to late 2010's so they are about 7 years behind at this point. If you are talking about the hull design, well hull designs haven't really changed much in the last two decades largely because there is only so smooth you can make a titanium teardrop. As for fuel cells, The AIP system is fuel cell tech. The LOX is piped to the engines directly when needed or piped to the fuel cell as a reactant to generate electricity also when needed. The 212's fuel cell won't actually work without LOX tanks.
@timur22993
7 жыл бұрын
Why Good Morning if you usually say Good Day, Magz? Good Day would be Dobryy Den'. And yes, I am gonna be that guy :D
@MagzGTV
7 жыл бұрын
lol, I couldn't get a good translation for good day. :)
@timur22993
7 жыл бұрын
Welp, there's translation from someone who have Russian as his native language :) If you need help with the pronunciation - the first "y" in "Dobryy" is pronounced similarly to "i" in "river", the second is same as "y" in "yet" before you go to the "e" part. In "Den' " the "e" pronounced similar to "e" in "Vietnam" and "n' " is basically the soft version of n, like in pony. Also if we go into very detailed lessons, "d" in "den' " pronounced soft just like "n' " and then goes immediately into "e" like in "every". For easier understanding, its like d in "ding". Usually not native Russian speakers go through that part like "dyen' ". Hope that makes sense, thinking of the words that sound similarly is actually trickier then I thought.
@Litany_of_Fury
7 жыл бұрын
I really did enjoy your Long Dark short series and now since episode 1 is out do you think you'll try it again?
@MagzGTV
7 жыл бұрын
Indeed I will, I'll be starting after this weekend
@noname-wo9yy
5 жыл бұрын
Many new nuclear subs use convection currents to cool their reactors at low power, so they don't need to run pumps.
@jotabe1984
2 жыл бұрын
There are many many reasons why the vast majority of the countrys uses Diesel/Electric instead of Nuclear: 1) they are at least 1/10 de cost to build (for the same generation of boats) and many less nations are willing to build them, in fact very very few countrys would export SSN and to their very closest allies only (like USA would with Australia or UK but not to Brazil just to make an example of 2 nations capable to purchase SSN but without yet the capacity of building them) 2) SSK are even cheaper to operate (you don't need a nuclear-certified port with high levels of invest in order to manage the fuel of conventional subs, and the personal for Nuclear subs needs to be nuclear engineers who are a very very specifically trained personal that costs a lot to form) 3) for a country defensive purposes (mainly in coastal waters and up until economic exclusion zone) diesels are harder to find, and it makes quite more sense to have something like 6 SSK instead of 1 SSN 4) Oceanic (1200tn or more) submarines can operate really far from the coasts, As an example, Oberon diesels from UK even operate in the Malvinas/Falklands in 1982, thats 1/2 world across, and they even get there in time for most of the action, despite the conflict being so short in time. Also many GUPPY submarines operated thousands of miles away from their home port in the 50/60s 5) Diesels are limited in a couple of areas: A) they have quite less powerful sonar so they are able to detect sounds near as far. This also applies for LOFAR sonar B) Unlike SSN, diesel boats can't actively follow an enemy fleet. The way to think of submarines is that SSK are like a spider waiting in a place for the prey to fall in its net (which would be their weapon's range) while SSN can follow their prey like a wolf or a tiger, stalk it and then launch an attack from favorable position. C) SSK are limited in the ammount of hours that can spend in a patrol zone, because they need to move to "safer waters" away from the hot zone in order to perform snorkel maneuvers (which is very indiscrete, anulates subs sonar due to diesels noise, noise that makes the sub very detectable for enemys and last but not least forces sub to be at snorkel/periscope depth with their antennas above waterline (if sub has to raise its snorkel it is pointless to keep the ESM, Comm and Periscope down, while a case could be made about radar)
@matteo_oz3557
2 жыл бұрын
i don't know how kind of mod haveyou installed but it is too easy. When i play russian or american with epic mod last version the torpedo follow the decoy, in your video the torpedo avoid it and easily go to target. You get so close to the knox that you can watch that, i go over 7 km away and they spot me easly even with silent mode or below strong layer ( nothing change if it war present or not layer, they ever spot me with active sonar). Most of the time when i shot my torpedo, the enemy submarine avoid them so easly, but if i m using los angeles class or other type of big subs i m unable to avoid torpedo, diving, climbing, turn, using decoy, they turn better than me and catch me. Its became really unplayable game since this mod, so i decided to return to much better original game.
@MagzGTV
2 жыл бұрын
This video is from 2017, Epic mod didn't exist. The only mod that existed was a Russian subs mod that unlocked the Russian boats for play so gameplay is vanilla 2017. As for Epicmod, I have a full Epic mod playthrough on the channel, It's only hard if you cant identify how the AI changes have been done. Once you work it out it's actually easier than Vanilla Elite as the number of ways the AI and AI torpedo's react is significantly smaller which makes them far easer to predict. I was able to complete the Whole Epicmod campaign on elite difficulty with real issues once I worked out the AI which took about 6 battles. It's actually really easy.
@theroyalaustralian
3 жыл бұрын
Eh MagZ, here's the correct pronunciation of what you said at 0:43 - 0:46: Кто-то товарищ
@Endermage1244
5 жыл бұрын
how do you get mods? you should make a dedicated video lol
@Roddy229
5 жыл бұрын
Funny thing is the Russian media did a documentary about their navy, and the real sub with this name was in it.
@mookie2637
4 жыл бұрын
I would really like to buy this on Steam, but...£29?
@hughjass5156
7 жыл бұрын
Id like to see you take out an older, outdated boat. Self handicap a bit.
@MagzGTV
7 жыл бұрын
You'll get to see a lot of that soon, once the 1984 campaign is done I'll be starting on the 1968 campaign.
@anw9852
Жыл бұрын
Does anyone know how to change Hud color to red or other colors?
@theroyalaustralian
3 жыл бұрын
You could also try to pronounce this: Привет, как дела творишь?
@bpwarrior1
5 жыл бұрын
How I can choose this sub in the game?
@Thetenmaumau
5 жыл бұрын
Is this a mod?
@UPgradzZtwo
6 жыл бұрын
Fun fact: the Kilo class sur is actually the stealthiest submarine in service in the russian navy even the US Navy doesnt now its stealth signature ! 😂
@espenwalm
7 жыл бұрын
You were supposed to destroy the Soviets, not join them!
@FrenceBulldogDK
7 жыл бұрын
How do u play as the kilo? can only play as US
@rainejervey4274
7 жыл бұрын
It's a mod
@Black29Adder
7 жыл бұрын
It's a shame the helicopters won't just die when there's no landing pad for them to land .
@MagzGTV
7 жыл бұрын
Why would they just die? If I blow up a Helipad at my local airport will the Helicopter that took off from it 30 minutes earlier suddenly crash? Providing one ship is still alive on the surface Helo crews can hot swap landings or bail next to it to save themselves, But if that ship gets sunk they are then stuck in the middle of the ocean with a limited amount of fuel and a long trip back to land and safety. It makes sense for the Helos to keep trying to locate and kill you, It's the only way to save themselves.
@Black29Adder
7 жыл бұрын
you miss understood sir , i meant the russian helicopters engaging you in the Atlantic ocean , in the middle of nowhere .
@MrElis420
7 жыл бұрын
blackadder Why would the Helos just suddenly die if you take out their carrier ships? They're still going to try to find and kill you, even if you take out their mother ship.
@briananthony4044
5 жыл бұрын
@@MagzGTV True, as long as a ship remains afloat they can be rescued. Civilian or miltary
@renorzeta
7 жыл бұрын
Can thsi game played without third person camera ?
@MagzGTV
7 жыл бұрын
You can play it from map view only if you wish yes.
@fredricknietzsche7316
6 жыл бұрын
ochin horascho!
@MrDiredemon
5 жыл бұрын
Reactor life is usually 25-30 years mate not 4 between de-fuelings ........ mad
@briananthony4044
5 жыл бұрын
I think he was basing a lot of his nuclear info on the French Rubis class, turbine inside the reactor, turbo-electric drive, etc. The early French reactors also used fairly low enriched uranium shortening their endurance, but had easier refuelling as there was a hatch I believe above the core, so no cutting into the hull required. Modern nukes have long range cores with highly enriched fuel, and burners. Nukes, apart from the French, also have the turbines outside the reactor driving the propeller through a gearbox.
@wazza33racer
3 жыл бұрын
Diesel electrics are also much cheaper to build.......and refueling takes hours, not 18 months. Modern diesels have dramatically better fuel economy ( hitting 50% thermal efficiency) and batteries are also dramatically better. Nuclear reactor technology ( water cooled, solid fuel) hasnt really improved much in 50 years.........its a dead end compared to molten salt designs.
@TheDogThatBarks
7 жыл бұрын
wtf wheres the game
@shatterfox5198
7 жыл бұрын
meem
@theroyalaustralian
3 жыл бұрын
And just so you are aware, Google Translate is the worst translator in the world as it does not translate contextual language
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