Which bike did you prefer? The cutting edge or the classic? Let us know in the comments 👇
@maxpowerthe5
3 жыл бұрын
Classic hands down.
@chris1275cc
3 жыл бұрын
Never mind the bikes. Where are all these perfectly tarmacked roads so devoid of traffic that you can stop to film in the middle of them?
@riyanhashemjamy10
3 жыл бұрын
We want Si on classic TT bike vs 2 guys on modern aero road bikes
@taufikabidin412
3 жыл бұрын
Classic
@ViveSemelBeneVivere
3 жыл бұрын
Superleggera classic of course!
@raineybackues
3 жыл бұрын
Can you make a video of the presenters showing us their personal bike collection? I would love to see that.
@OLICIT
3 жыл бұрын
Didn’t they already do that? Focusing on individual bikes they own
@seanoleary771
3 жыл бұрын
@@OLICIT Oh, I'd like to see those. Any idea when, and on which of their channels they did it?
@serdiezv
3 жыл бұрын
@@OLICIT some years ago, yeah, but some presenters are out and some new presenters have come so an update should be interesting
@charlificity
3 жыл бұрын
Apparently Ollie owns two Pinarellos (one with discs and the other with rims). I mean, who doesn’t?
@johnandrews3568
3 жыл бұрын
Sounds like another opportunity to get the legend, Jon Cannings on camera again... lets see his collection and attic.
3 жыл бұрын
8:00 that's the most rectangular cow i've ever seen
@SorinVBogdan
3 жыл бұрын
Good catch
@Crotal_Karma
3 жыл бұрын
Lol
@josetobias1579
3 жыл бұрын
You know, she is searching for that perfect aero design...
@broFH
3 жыл бұрын
Lmao
@balazshajdu3018
3 жыл бұрын
😆
@johnshaft5613
3 жыл бұрын
I raced on steel frames during the '80s, and while I agree today's bikes are vastly improved, I think it is as much/more due to improved components that make the difference than frames. Friction shifters, six-speed clusters, flexibles cranks/bottom brackets, etc were the norm back then and they really didn't work very well. IMHO Shimano deserves more credit than any other company for modernizing the racing bike, and their innovation continues to this day.
@ralphc1405
Жыл бұрын
are you kidding me??? My Colnago super is still bombproof with my C-record Cobalto calipers and full gruppo. The bottom bracket bearings work flawlessly if periodically you douse them with wd40 or a lube and avoid riding in torrential rain. Regina drivetrain (from Ebay) will still work as well as it did back then--just will weigh a lot heavier.
@veganpotterthevegan
11 ай бұрын
Drivetrain efficiency is a fraction of the gains that have been made compared to wheels and frames. You're talking a couple watts vs 40w
@charlcoetzee93
11 ай бұрын
Modern brakes stop better. You can cold spread steel rear dropouts to fit a 10 speed wheel. Modern mid section wheels allow for slightly larger tyres without ballooning out past the rims, and they are strong and aero. Doing upgrades like this can allow you to enjoy an old steel frame but with some of the progress that the industry has made in the past 60 years. Of course this doesn't detract from the appeal of a purist eroica bike, but we can enjoy the whole spectrum of what was good in cycling in each era
@analoguegeek
2 ай бұрын
@@ralphc1405 Theres something to be said for having a cluster that seamlessly goes from 11 to 28+ though... And you dont see much of that on old freewheel clusters... Hell, on my vintage bike Im running a 7400 dura ace corncob that only goes from 12 to 19 teeth... and there's no way you'll find me climbing anything on that... its made for 5% grade as a MAXIMUM.
@roberthoyle6371
3 жыл бұрын
I have to go with the Steel. The paint job with the chrome lugs and stays are so beautiful! As someone who has ridden steel, carbon and aluminum, the road feel and control of steel sets it apart from the rest.
@scottf3456
3 жыл бұрын
I'd go for the filante with retro pricing.
@noonster55
3 жыл бұрын
Good one...
@philipk4475
3 жыл бұрын
inflation adjusted?
@MS-pw8yu
3 жыл бұрын
There's no retro pricing on the Superleggera. Still expensive.
@sueyyness3642
3 жыл бұрын
@@MS-pw8yu very true.
@bobrong9645
3 жыл бұрын
@@MS-pw8yu Yeah, that's what I was thinking, thus I'm not sure what the point of that bike is, aside nostalgia. Still, it's much cheaper than the Filante, a comparison with the similarly priced Cento would also have been interesting.
@kalilebron007
3 жыл бұрын
Gotta admit the new Wilier bikes are bloody amazing. But those vintage Wilier ones are pure class.
@simonmac4291
3 жыл бұрын
I'd love to see this re-run in 2 years time. The "cutting edge" bike will be two years old and missing 2022 season's latest trend, while the retro bike will be even more retro and cooler for it :)
@SpicyTrifongo
2 жыл бұрын
Faux retro. Real retro bikes have sakae cranks ans suntour groupsets.
@barco581
2 жыл бұрын
@@The86rick in four years 23 tires come back as "super aero."
@0xsergy
2 жыл бұрын
@@SpicyTrifongo my suntour derailleur spring exploded on a trail. Its now a shimano replacement.
@0xsergy
2 жыл бұрын
@@barco581 nah, 23 tires just suck for your joints. 28mm is rough so i cant imagine how rough 120psi 23mm tires are.
@MB-jz3uu
Жыл бұрын
@@The86rick so far 2 years after and rim brakes seem to be a thing of the past
@kalebwhittingstall441
3 жыл бұрын
I've got an early 80s Olmo with modern 105 equipment, I'll never love another bike more
@jeskli11
3 жыл бұрын
The Superleggera is undoubtedly way cooler. Especially when it's freezing cold.
@goldenwafflez7715
3 жыл бұрын
The superleggera is the cooler bike - and when a rider has that bike and drops all the riders on their plastic bikes he or she is doubly cool. #FACT
@michaelmcgrath7465
3 жыл бұрын
I have several classic steel bikes and a handful of plastics. When it comes to descending the big cols the steel bikes rule. Must admit I'd love a classic steel frame with disc brakes1
@wcasteve1
3 жыл бұрын
I won a [ small field of old fart riders admittedly ] tt this year on a steel bike... it was amusing...
@TheGotoGeek
3 жыл бұрын
@@michaelmcgrath7465 Funny, I just finished building up a Reynolds 853 frame with disc brakes and thru axles. Rides like a dream.
@appa609
3 жыл бұрын
Sure and you can say you're even cooler if you're riding some walmart brick and manage to drop Chris Froome. But that's about the rider not the bike. The better bike is cooler.
@GabrieLight
3 жыл бұрын
But again it's overpriced.
@shawnh08
3 жыл бұрын
In these new vs classic bikes I wish they would make a test running the same tires/wheels, it would be interesting to see the difference in performance between a classic frame and a new carbon frame without the wheels skewing the results.
@al-du6lb
2 жыл бұрын
I wonder if the reason they don't do that is because their sponsors wouldn't like it.. I would also like to see it done with the same rider.
@Hansmeiser2008
Жыл бұрын
What GCN does: Steel bike (+ ~1kg) with Vittoria Rubino Pro vs Carbon bike + deep carbon rims with Vittoria Corsa tires... who will gonna win? :D Btw: 16...28 seconds over 10-15 min 4km climb/8km TT is not really much (2-4%). With the same tires and rims, it would be even closer.
@MB-jz3uu
Жыл бұрын
@@al-du6lb carbon is still definitely faster
@kanon0n
3 жыл бұрын
frame: retro every other parts: modern
@Laktsu
3 жыл бұрын
There is something about my classic bike i love, it's the style and speed that years cannot take away from it, steel is real, classy and beautiful
@rxonmymind8362
3 жыл бұрын
It has soul and body. Not everything on paper turns out to be true and newer isn't always better. I have a vintage receiver that I will take all day long before a modern receiver.
@carlholland3819
Жыл бұрын
@@rxonmymind8362 new isnt about being better, its about being more expensive and showing off your money
@SwedishHouseFifa
3 жыл бұрын
15:17 I thought Ollie was about to say let’s test the coolness of the bike by seeing which one got stolen first lol
@johnfarmer2264
3 жыл бұрын
HA HA HA HA!!!!
@sueyyness3642
3 жыл бұрын
Yeah I was thinking we was about to say that. Haha, he is funny enough to do so!
@HiopX
3 жыл бұрын
i mean ... that's just wrong. That's just measures the perceived value of the bike
@charliecroker7005
3 жыл бұрын
18 seconds over 5 miles- 36 seconds over 10 miles = about 2% advantage. I bet most of that is down to the wheels- 40mm deep rims (or whatever they are on the red one) fitted to the steel bike would reduce the difference significantly, IMO. It would have been interesting to swap the wheels, and do the test again.
@qzrnuiqntp
2 жыл бұрын
This kind of vids are made for us to desire new bikes, despite the fact that if you're not racing a good old one with modern wheels is just perfect and very much cheaper.
@james241ish
2 жыл бұрын
Exactly.
@tassko
2 жыл бұрын
Agree, if the steel bike had aero wheels it would be much closer.
@bratSebastian
2 жыл бұрын
@@tassko And way uglier!
@Hansmeiser2008
Жыл бұрын
Also: Steel bike with Vittoria Rubino Pro vs Carbon bike with Vittoria Corsa tires... who will gonna win? :D
@banjomechanic
Жыл бұрын
The finish job on the Superlegerra is out of this world. Absolutely beautiful!
@rah4981
3 жыл бұрын
Beautiful, piece of art that classic bike.
@michaellamp3776
3 жыл бұрын
When your kit is worth more than the market value of your bicycle then you’re on a classic
@splashpit
3 жыл бұрын
That superlegger in that condition would set you back €1600.00
@jojoUK120
3 жыл бұрын
I don't think my 1991 bike even has a market value- nobody's ever considered nicking it🤣
@Stoney3K
3 жыл бұрын
That Superleggera actually looks like the perfect touring bike. Classic geometry and steel frame means a relaxed ride for miles.
@yashar9844
2 жыл бұрын
I am stunned by the patience of the car drivers in these videos. I ride in California (south) and almost always use bike lane, but still once in a while there are cars which try to push me out of road. It happened almost once every 2 weeks, once, even one van driver tried to totally run me and then my friend who was 100 feet ahead of me and both were using bike lane.
@b145701s
3 жыл бұрын
So whenever I'm going out for a ride I always take my classic bike (with modern components) because it just makes me so happy to look at and I feel cool af
@gcn
3 жыл бұрын
That's what it's all about!
@brianbuday8639
3 жыл бұрын
I agree but the old quill stems are hard on the wrists after a while. Yes I am old but my 84 pinarello with campy chorus upgrades is a fun class ride. Cheers you two and stay safe🚴🏼🇨🇦👍😎
@achn2b
3 жыл бұрын
@@brianbuday8639 Why? too much saddle to bar drop? Try one of Nitto's Technomic Deluxe stems. Those, and a modern short-reach compact handlebar work really well together.
@theworkethic
3 жыл бұрын
@@gcn It’s actually about riding, not attaching yourself to coolness. Who are you looking cool for and why?
@carlholland3819
Жыл бұрын
@@theworkethic bike fairies look cool for each other. thats why they wear spandex
@Jeff-bd4gg
3 жыл бұрын
My favorite part of the video is the loud laugh that can be heard when Si is posing with his bike. 😂
@alexss3
3 жыл бұрын
I actually walked by a shop two years ago and saw the Superleggera in the window and was absolutely blown away by it (and the price tag). Now here I am watching GCN actually ride one! I was expecting to see what their top speeds were, not times.
@garybrown9857
3 жыл бұрын
One of the many things I love about cycling is the "feel" of it...pushing up hills followed by the joy of coasting down the other side; the pleasure of the response of the bike under me to road conditions; the air rushing around me as I cruise along. I also appreciate the exercise of riding. Throwing down thousands of dollars on a bike which takes a lot of the above away just doesn't interest me. And I'm also not interested in spending thousands more to shave a few SECONDS off a long ride...I'll just pedal a little harder. Try being a better cyclist instead of buying your way into it with hopes of technology doing it for you.
@manji001
3 жыл бұрын
A bike with built in loads of in-built excuses?!?! COUNT ME IN!!
@HiopX
3 жыл бұрын
But are those vegan excuses? ;)
@TomboLP
3 жыл бұрын
I have been riding a Colnago Superissimo from 1988 for the longest time, with vintage Campagnolo Super Record and all the rest. Recently, I got a Cannondale Synapse with a carbon frame, the latest Ultegra components and disc brakes. Honestly, it's vintage Aston Martin vs. modern Volvo. The Colnago is cool, fun and feels fast. The Cannondale is comfortable, convenient and actually quicker on every single ride (about 5 minutes per 50km) - but FEELS slower. On the Colnago, with its downtube shifters, I change gears only when I have to. On the Cannondale, I do it without thinking and preserve my cadence. When I ride the Colnago, I feel like I'm 22 again and constantly fantasize about passing Sean Kelly in the mountains. When I ride the Cannondale, I feel every one of my 51 years and think "What business does an old idiot like me have wearing lycra pants?" I think what I really need is a modern superbike. That way, I will probably still feel middle-aged, but it'll be the type of middle age where I've bought a ridiculous sports car, gotten hair plugs and am shagging my hot secretary. Hmmm...when are those new Canyons going to be back in stock?
@FlatSpinMan
3 жыл бұрын
I feel the same about my aluminium Giant TCR and carbon Bianchi. Admittedly the Bianchi is an endurance frame, but the TCR is just a maniac to ride - it’s like a fighter plane or something. Both are new bikes 2014 and 2018 respectively, unlike yours. Like you, my fastest times (not actually good or anything) are generally on the Bianchi, but my TCR just feels so much faster.
@usoda6974
3 жыл бұрын
Tombo Les Paul..
@TomboLP
3 жыл бұрын
@@usoda6974 That's me!
@ralphc1405
3 жыл бұрын
Lol I’ve got an early 80s Colnago Super in Saronni red decked out in mid 80s Campy C-Record dt friction shifters WITH 36h straight guage spokes and I’m still able to hang on a bit with the local riders with plastic bikes with disk brakes. Of course the smallest cog on my Regina cluster is a 13. And at 46 I debate whether dropping $100 on one with a 12 is worth it!
@leonarddaneman810
3 жыл бұрын
At 50 I was leaving those 20-somethings in my dust . . . don't sell yourself short kid. Now that I am turning 67 next month, and haven't ridden for 15 years (I was paralyzed for two years, unrelated to biking) I am dusting myself off and training to get back 'on the bike' . . .
@idaf5244
3 жыл бұрын
Everything else aside, that copper colourway is seriously beautiful so I'm with Ollie.
@markotrieste
3 жыл бұрын
12:45 No need to make it so complicated. Energy is force times displacement. You want your leg force to go into displacement of pedals, chain and ultimately wheel. If the frame bends, some of the displacement you make with leg motion goes actually into frame displacement, which doesn't propel the bike but converts your precious effort in heat. Easiest analogy: run on tarmac or run on sand.
@garettcline1365
3 жыл бұрын
The retro tubing with copper cladding is gorgeous!
@peerpaschedag404
3 жыл бұрын
Ollie: Life isnt alway a competion Also Ollie: my Bike looks the best
@GCNuser123
3 жыл бұрын
*except when it’s one i can win
@leporello7
3 жыл бұрын
Well, as you mentioned reliability: From my experience there is nothing more reliable than a well maintained early 90s Shimano 600 or Dura Ace groupset, especially when using downtube shifters. Even 105 or RX100 material (excellent brakes!) from those years ist still really great quality for training purposes.
@Fred_the_1996
2 жыл бұрын
I have found that nothing beats an early to mid 80s full simplex groupset, it's just made out of stone
@Lacccikapitany
2 жыл бұрын
Thanks! Now I understand why my previous Bianchi (steel frame) had D-A groupset with RX100 brakes :)
@chriswright9096
11 ай бұрын
Spot on. I got a bit miffed at the beginning of the video when the presenters suggested a vintage bike would be unreliable. They are typically rock solid, and if something does go wrong its typically way easier to fix than a modern high-end carbon bike (with its internal cable routing, disc brakes, proprietory stem and seatpost).
@davidland8217
3 жыл бұрын
Ollie totally nailed how I feel whenever Simon Richardson sets up yet another ‘race’ for himself, that remarkably he wins.
@malcolmemsley7176
Жыл бұрын
I don't think they really tried on the steel bike it was as if they wanted to discredit it. Not everything is about racing though the carbon jobs would be awful on long distance Audax 400 /600 km rides.
@andreasantorum77
3 жыл бұрын
The problem is that now I badly want that Superleggera Ramato!! Such a beauty! Thanks guys for the awesome vid!!
@carlholland3819
Жыл бұрын
time to sell a kidney
@GarenEvans
3 жыл бұрын
Classic is obviously the coolest.
@gr8dvd
3 жыл бұрын
Agree b/c it sez I take care of my gear and will keep-up or, if necessary, blow past those who need every advantage to keep pace.
@razvanyke
3 жыл бұрын
Guys .. the production quality of the video is out of the roof, cheers to you and all the production team
@MrElapid
3 жыл бұрын
Loved that steel bike...Just beautiful! Curious about one thing however. As I look at the frontal profiles of these bikes. (as compared to the bodies of the riders pushing through the air) I have to wonder how much "aero" is just marketing hype for the recreational/touring rider.
@deevnn
2 жыл бұрын
It is just marketing hype for the average competitive rider...
@chasemanley848
2 жыл бұрын
Unless you're actually racing, where a few seconds matter - it's all marketing hype.
@desertrainfrog1691
2 жыл бұрын
Very marginal differences between the two. Things have changed on bikes, but they still look very similar and perform the same tasks. There's only so many ways to reinvent the wheel. Biggest difference is probably weight and brake integrated shifters.
@g.west2372
2 жыл бұрын
between these two bikes... for recreational rider... depends on if you want to ride fast for the same power... aerodynamics is not "just" hype... I visited my grandparents by bike, which was a 180km ride... to survive this I used aerobars to save as much power as possible... Do you NEED it? No. Do you need to buy a new bike cause it's more aero? Meh. But if speed(=fun?) is worth your money and you want to buy a new bike regardless, you should go with an aero bike... "Fast bikes are fun!"(Si-borg)
@chasemanley848
2 жыл бұрын
@@g.west2372 your aerobars are what made your rider/bike combo aerodynamic. They significantly affect your body position, which has a MUCH larger affect on aero than the bike. No matter how aero they claim the frame is. Position matters a massive deal. The frame you're on matters very, very little by comparison, given the same tires & wheel size. Aerodynamics is certainly NOT just hype. Aero frames/wheels are mostly hype - insofar as they make wayyyyyy less difference to your speed than your clothing and position do.
@stevecooper7038
3 жыл бұрын
You missed out the question of which bike is more likely to be still rideable after a stack up...
@Stoney3K
3 жыл бұрын
Carbon: Crap, I crashed, now I have to walk and carry 2 pieces. Steel: Ah, that'll buff right out.
@appa609
3 жыл бұрын
@@Stoney3K Not these super light steel frames. They're right up against structural buckling constraints.
@rxonmymind8362
3 жыл бұрын
I had a Univega steel bike that I crashed at 40 mph. I threw some new wheels on there and it was good to go. I'm betting money carbon fiber bike would have cracked somewhere guaranteed.
@gregmuon
3 жыл бұрын
@@appa609 Nah. I raced a columbus SL (US) Masi in the early 80s. Stacked it up more times than I can count. No damage. Killed some wheels, that's it.
@tomjackson5815
3 жыл бұрын
In competitive racing you have to have to have the best equipment but for me the look and the love of riding a classic bike is what got me into racing in the first place .I raced for ten seasons and was and was a bike mechanic for 32 years for me the beauty of pushing yourself to the limit gave me such great memories no matter what bike I was on . I also made a living on the bass guitar and have really nice instruments but the first one I grab to play is an old school fender p bass for the same reasons I love the classic steel bike so just ride what you like and listen to great music, peace
@Bruceillest101
2 жыл бұрын
If I'm just going around town or on a casual ride with friends I would take the Steel bike all day. There is just something about how steel absorbs the vibrations on the road that makes it a comfortable ride.
@veloman59
3 жыл бұрын
Now that's a proper retro build! Proper forks, quill stem! All steel! Yes!..Perfect!
@kulasoy7676
3 жыл бұрын
I’d pick the classic one over the super bike anyday.
@jojoadeyemi8239
3 жыл бұрын
Me too. Its the only bike I would have a chance of repairing myself. And affording the repair....
@kulasoy7676
3 жыл бұрын
Classic bike always have this cool factor, superbikes looks disgusting nowadays tbh, do not care about full carbon components the bike looks like a robot🤮🤢
@bassenji5565
3 жыл бұрын
@@jojoadeyemi8239 Plus it will last much longer!
@khazza930
3 жыл бұрын
agreed! the classic bike is timeless... it'll always be a classic... the superbike will be outdated in a few years and no longer as cool or super
@supernoodles908
3 жыл бұрын
@@khazza930 they're only timeless because they've had the time to become so. Carbon will be the same in the future imo
@rickmancini772
3 жыл бұрын
The steel frame with a carbon fork, ahead stem, carbon seat post, and carbon aero wheels
@sebastiansoberon9273
3 жыл бұрын
Classic all the way, Price and tech have nothing to do with beauty! (my own point of view, i don't want to offend anyone)
@danielgolite
3 жыл бұрын
The Orange color and polished components are cool! One topic not brought up is durability. The steel bike will be on the road for decades to come. Not sure about the carbon bike. Aren't carbon bikes compromised when damaged? Thanks for the video.
@deevnn
2 жыл бұрын
The carbon bike will be a memory in ten years, if that.
@sherlock_backs
2 жыл бұрын
Carbon fiber components degrade if im not wrong
@desertrainfrog1691
2 жыл бұрын
The steel bike will probably outlive all of us watching with relatively moderate care. (maintenance+ protect frame from rust a bit)
@arronbatchvarov5035
Жыл бұрын
@@sherlock_backs everything degrades...
@carlholland3819
Жыл бұрын
yep, one crash and you gotta throw away your $5k bike
@enzo_borja
3 жыл бұрын
At 13:07, its pretty simple if you think of conservation of energy. More energy goes into bike deformation, less energy converts to kinetic energy for speed.
@neil_down_south
3 жыл бұрын
The deeper wheels could be accounting for most of the speed advantage of the modern bike. I went for steel frame but with carbon fork and deep section wheels. Once I've cleaned my chain I'll send it into bike vault.
@kunal9920
3 жыл бұрын
The amount of effort put into creating this video made me want to comment just so that I can do my best as a single person for this particular video
@velodjk2975
3 жыл бұрын
Best observation from Ollie: "Our sprinting is almost as bad as our arm wrestling."
@montufaraj7066
3 жыл бұрын
is there such a video?
@jheal1977
3 жыл бұрын
I love my steel Motorola Merckx and my carbon bikes. Cycling really is engine sport and no matter how good my bike is I will never win the Tour de France. Best to have both 😍
@ralphc1405
3 жыл бұрын
Lol we thought it was cool the team was sponsored by Shimano and not Campy!
@lukehaddix4710
2 жыл бұрын
Fantastic video. I love both bikes. I enjoyed this video so much it kept me on the indoor trainer over 50 minutes. Thanks for keeping me in shape!
@eupsychon
3 жыл бұрын
Awesome video. Both are beautiful bikes! I love the explosive ride of my carbon racing bike for a weekend outing, but still prefer the vintage steel steed for daily use. I think titanium frames offer a sweet spot between the two.
@nyktrip3445
3 жыл бұрын
I personally love the classic look from the older bikes. When I take my Sekine road bike out it just feels great and fun
@kalebwhittingstall441
3 жыл бұрын
Love those old sekine's
@nyktrip3445
3 жыл бұрын
@@kalebwhittingstall441 yeah they are works of art
@HenryAshman
3 жыл бұрын
Give me the Filante in the Superleggera's paint scheme. I've seen the Wilier Cento10 in that colour scheme and it looks insanely nice.
@matthiaskettner6686
3 жыл бұрын
Have you seen the Filante in that Silver paintjob with stickers turning from green to violet depending on the light? Dude... incredibly good looking.
@kubagajda7347
3 жыл бұрын
That colour is called Ramato. Ever since I've seen it, it has became the only acceptable paint scheme fot Wilier bikes to me.
@johnandrews3568
3 жыл бұрын
@@kubagajda7347 Ramato is available on the Cento Air One I believe, and a chrome blue as well.
@villamjoe87
3 жыл бұрын
That Superleggera is a piece of art! Not even a question which is cooler, classic by miles!
@liamwills9309
3 жыл бұрын
Love the casual, laid back and less scripted videos 👍🏻
@bendunbar8334
3 жыл бұрын
This is literally the comparison video I've been waiting for
@awh271064
3 жыл бұрын
One of the things I miss is the sound the steel frame makes when you tide one. It almost sings especially on the roads in Europe. This is something I've never heard riding a carbon roadster. I ride a Cube and whilst a great ride and excellent value for money, I do miss the sound of the old steel frames when riding on a quiet Sunday morning mile builder...
@chrisharper2658
3 жыл бұрын
I'm commenting on this older posting a second time. I think the bigger difference between the two bikes has to do with the front geometry and handlebar stem position. When you stand up and sprint on the new bike, your center of gravity stays fairly constant but the bike zig-zags all over the place. The older bike tends to track straighter during a sprint. I think the zig-zag that the wheels track might give you slight advantage while climbing steep hills. I never noticed all this zig-zagging until I was watch the Tour De France this year and it seemed darn near impossible to pass someone sprinting as they were always zig-zagging all over the place. Seems like a good way to stave off challengers when you can occupy three lanes at once. Ops, oh well, so sorry.
@boylekay789
3 жыл бұрын
We look at bike designs decades old and find them beautiful, classic, nostalgic, etc. I wonder decades from now, how will people look at the current bikes
@curtvaughan2836
3 жыл бұрын
Most current carbon fiber bicycles will either crack up from hard usage, or go out of vogue within a decade. Great steel frames can last indefinitely with proper care and upgrading of components. To compare bicycles 30+ years old, or in this case, a replica using similar frame technology, with current top end bikes can be likened to comparing vintage well built cars with newer autos. I'd take a well maintained '57 Chevy over a new Corvette, and would probably pay a similar price. I recently got on a waiting list to purchase a Richard Sachs hand made steel bicycle. It will likely end up costing around $10K after adding top end Campy groupo and a nice wheel set. It would probably cost me a similar price for a bicycle like the "super bike" illustrated above. I would still rather have the Sachs. I'm way too old to race or compete, but not too old to appreciate fine craftsmanship bordering on fine art. Good video, though!
@dragonsoul07
3 жыл бұрын
thanks GCN for your tips video , today i completed first 100 km solo ride since 2 month started cycling.... :D
@Leonardogfa
3 жыл бұрын
That superleggera is absolutely beautiful. The groupset feels a little bit out of place but still, daaaang
@jackfrost838
3 жыл бұрын
Oh Olie , I was riding an OLD racing bike before you were thought of and it wasn't weak or falling to bits. It was made incredibly strong and it was reasonably light ( TI Raleigh Renolds tubing ) The old artisan frames were very reliable and very strong , respect them.
@1crazypj
2 жыл бұрын
And an old steel bike is probably still rideable if it hasn't been left out in the weather and rusted away. Carbon fibre will probably have a much shorter service life and has very poor scuff resistance if you happen to lean it against something rough (based on the little I know about it and seeing a 'test' of a carbon bike against a lamp post, slid down and damaged top tube-expensive repair)
@keeganwebber
2 жыл бұрын
another important and perhaps underappreciated aspect of an older steel framed bike is that the whole thing is brazed together rather than welded or glued.. you can replace a damaged tube with comparatively little effort or cost outlay vs carbon fibre. you'll still be ruining the paint and it's obviously major surgery, but it can be achieved with very basic equipment (and no ultrasound, haha)
@HellomuSic1296
Жыл бұрын
Classic forever. The fact that it took years to get to you makes it nothing shy of a blessing.
@leightondavies8884
3 жыл бұрын
I honestly think that Superleggera is the most beautiful thing I’ve ever seen on two wheels ( and that includes Sandra Bullock ) 😍
@johnandrews3568
3 жыл бұрын
You haven't seen my Pegoretti built Pinarello then.
@ChristianCastleman
3 жыл бұрын
Not as pretty as my vintage Casati.
@ronwhite8503
3 жыл бұрын
Bullock before she went plastic?
@kevcroft2815
3 жыл бұрын
The Superleggera is achingly beautiful. Never realised that i needed one until this video.
@MrSmid888
3 жыл бұрын
Depends who’s peddling? My old steel bike gave me good grounding. Us weekend riders I don’t think it makes much difference, more the fitness of the legs turning the cranks.
@MrSmid888
3 жыл бұрын
@R. Schowiada71 pedalling is for countdown onlyfans. Peddling is how you say it on the streets and the Pros know the “score”.
@markmyers8775
3 жыл бұрын
As fast as the aero superbike is, steel is in a class by itself. Gotta love the classics!
@stuartmclean4952
3 жыл бұрын
Never compromise style for speed!
@geraldverniers8577
3 жыл бұрын
Both bikes are gorgeous but the steel one have a spirit within, a handmade touch and a pièce of hisrory that are priceless. It really dépends of your bike philosophy, not a question of performances.
@mikestunt77
3 жыл бұрын
Superleggera is the best 2nd bike, it makes sense only if you own also a hyper bike like the filante , f12 or so
@MrBJPitt
3 жыл бұрын
Carbon bikes actually have far more hand made work in them. And that steel bike, is not a piece of history, it's a replica, and replicas are not cool.
@razaninaufal
3 жыл бұрын
carbon fiber bikes are actually more "handmade" than steel, they literally sew fibers of carbon into the bike that you use. gcn actually has a look factory video, they show how they made a carbon bike.
@geraldverniers8577
3 жыл бұрын
@@razaninaufal it's true, I forgot that, sorry.
@geraldverniers8577
3 жыл бұрын
@@MrBJPitt that's true. I ride a early 1980's Bob Jackson with downtube shifters and every time it gives me a large smile.
@rangersmith4652
2 жыл бұрын
Sometimes I miss my steel Allez, a 1989 model I think. That 4% difference matters tons in a race, but for a recreational or sport rider, it really doesn't. The comfort benefits of steel are less quantifiable, but they are undeniable. Of these two, I'd choose the steel bike every time.
@MB-jz3uu
Жыл бұрын
ive ridden carbon aluminum crmo titanium and carbon is definitely the most comfortable.
@rangersmith4652
Жыл бұрын
@@MB-jz3uu It's not that simple. Frame material is one factor. Geometry tires, saddle, etc also come into play. I have lots of experience with high-end steel bikes, and very little with carbon bikes. All other things being roughly equal, I would choose the steel because I know I get on with it. Carbon is a relative unknown for me. You say you've ridden crmo, but have you ridden really high-end double- or triple-butted steel frame? Big difference, geometry not withstanding.
@hurbit123
3 жыл бұрын
in winter and in summer I climb with my 15kg steel bike for stamina training. It really makes strong. Once on a 7kg carbon bike it is like flying. Its like weighted pull-ups. Good for power.
@yoramaviram1
3 жыл бұрын
The classic is wow, the modern one - just fast
@woozertoo
3 жыл бұрын
Well, you’ve convinced me GCN: my next bike will be a steel, Columbus-tubed, non-compact frame. That paint job is awesome. Not even paying any attention to whatever newfangled bike Si’s on.
@ronbell7920
2 жыл бұрын
Tell'em woozer!
@Shadowboost
3 жыл бұрын
Both those bikes are beautiful and I'd love to have them in my collection. Not to say that they would be my main steed, but definitely gorgeous and probably ride great
@jmccartney2007
3 жыл бұрын
I still love steel bikes, and that one is definitely super nice.
@JayLato
3 жыл бұрын
I could see a cameo by captain slow explaining the old bits of that bike.
@Stoney3K
3 жыл бұрын
Cameo? Have him do a feature episode of "The Disassembler" by taking it apart and putting it back together again.
@teunluijbregts2533
3 жыл бұрын
Just my opinion, but I will take the classic over the plastic anytime. Mind you: with a nice set of aero wheels ;-)
@bleckb
3 жыл бұрын
I'd also drop the quill stem and go with a "modern" stem and bar.
@PaulLangmead
3 жыл бұрын
@@bleckb as much as I love how elegant quill stems are, I'd have to agree - they are a PITA.
@schore69
3 жыл бұрын
that steelframe has me drooling! the wheels give it a nice modern touch! hmmmmm nice
@craigfresch575
3 жыл бұрын
call me a caveman, i still prefer steel.... I remember when carbon fiber had a 5 year shelf life
@brianrainey2739
3 жыл бұрын
The “retro” steel bike is a beautiful cake designed by an artist, the modern carbon bike is a baguette. No one will remember seeing the baguette.
@filipbronola536
3 жыл бұрын
I'd say the engineering and design that went into optimizing and creating a strong aerodynamic carbon frame is just as iconic as the craft work that goes into classic steel.
@bk83082
3 жыл бұрын
Baguettes are far better for daily use.
@randorecumbent
3 жыл бұрын
Love me a classic steel road bike but one modern bike I definitely will never forget is the latest De Rosa Pininfarina. That's a gorgeous bike, carbon or not.
@alpsalish
3 жыл бұрын
Bad comparison. I will take a baguette. I actually remember amazing baguettes though.
@alpsalish
3 жыл бұрын
@@eoinkelly2674 oh, ok. That is one opinion.
@redrocker1055
3 жыл бұрын
Superbikes are cool and certainly have their place but my heart will always belong to the old school styling of the classics.
@russelltabori2851
3 жыл бұрын
Classic all day, everyday, every week, every year, every decade. its like comparing champagne with a can of coke.
@indy2867
2 жыл бұрын
😂😂 I'm so glad they took the comment I left 8 minutes ago on another video to heart!! A retro-mod! Love it!
@philipholenstein5685
3 жыл бұрын
Best pair of GCN presenters!
@kasplatspeed5793
3 жыл бұрын
Classic, raced them all my life and did well with them the look feel and just because it was all they built.
@bilginersoy4191
2 жыл бұрын
I have a proper classic one from 70's, with relaxed geometry and all that. After 6-8 hours on the saddle, I still come home with a smile on my face. So comfy. On the other hand, after every ride of comparable length on my modern aluminium one, I swear I'll never ride a bike again.
@venom5809
2 жыл бұрын
OMG the vintage one is just gorgeous.
@philipcooper8297
3 жыл бұрын
Bikes might be getting lighter, stiffer, more aero... but one thing will never change, you still have to have the legs to move all that technology forwards. Unless you get an e-bike, I suppose.
@anoniemous2136
3 жыл бұрын
I like the idea of e-bikes. Personally I think that the more people on bikes the better. I do remember when I got into cycling (I'm still not serious enough to wear lycra), I was looking into getting an e-bike but I just couldn't afford one at the time, I ended up getting a second hand low to mid range bike which was a few years old (and still use today), and was rather surprised at how easy it was to ride. (In saying that, I started of with like 2km rides to get a feel for riding again as I hadn't ridden since I was a kid)
@philipcooper8297
3 жыл бұрын
@@anoniemous2136 I also wanted an e-bike, but as you've pointed out, e-bikes are not cheap, especially e-roadbikes. Also, an affordable e-roadbike is over 15Kg these days and the premium ones are not that lighter either. Sometimes it would be nice to have the electric boost when going uphill though. 250W being standard poweroutput up until you hit 25-28km/h, would make every hill dissapear. On the flats I can generate 30-35 km/h for a long period of time, so I would not benefit from an electric motor there. Yes, I do know these systems could be modified to give full power all the time, but that's just not cycling for me. I've got a motorcycle for ''effortless'' high speed riding.
@Exgrmbl
3 жыл бұрын
@@philipcooper8297 i don't know, an e-roadbike seems to be a contradiction to me. i associate roadbikes with being sportive, while i think of e-bikes as more utilitarian.
@arklat
3 жыл бұрын
My first amateur race, was in 1976, on a 1974 COLNAGO Super. That Italian classic was two years old, (I bought it NOS) was still current enough tech, that I really didn't need to change anything. As I got to the elite level, I was riding custom builds. Every one of the teams I raced with, had bicycle manufacturers as sponsors. They supplied custome builds for the team. I rode everything, from track sprinting, to stage racing. The aero era began when I stopped racing, but, I was there for the first disc wheels, and tri bars. They were quite heavy, and clunky. I trained on both my TT bike, with discs, and my road bike, and my times were faster on my road bike, set up for TT. The frames were still steel, and nowhere near what carbon would come to offer. But, I loved the artistry of the old steel frames, and '70's components. But, to actually ride, the current bikes are so much better. I wish I could race the races I did, on a modern bike. I also used to do a lot of mountaineering, and I would love to be able to go back, and do the hikes, backpacking, and climbing, with modern equipment. The difference is night and day. Night and day. I am a progressive, so I applaud innovation. Especially if it is a dependable improvement. I see tubular tyres going by the wayside. And graphene will be utilized much more.
@ralphc1405
2 жыл бұрын
I always wondered if there was a secret that pro mechanics used back in the day to clean/overhaul the cup/cone bottom brackets without having to remove the cranks. Campagnolo was already drilling center holes in the SR hubs to inject grease. Did they spray WD40 through the BB shell cutouts and let the excess drip out and then tape up the hole so no dust or grit entered it? That's what I do for my Colnago Super bike---and I do well by not riding in the rain as well.
@ProblemChild-xk7ix
2 жыл бұрын
Flexing absorbs energy that would go driving the wheel. That is the difference, much more than tire scrub. Weight is the primary difference in the climbing times.
@rikkiola
3 жыл бұрын
1:06 Ollie, can you let Si know how to pronounce Wilier, sure the sponsor would appreciate it 😝
@petinka721
3 жыл бұрын
Wilier make crazy nice bikes! On a Sunday endurance cafe ride I take the classic bike since the paint is so cool. :)
@bikenraider99
2 жыл бұрын
The classic steel all day every day. I ride 520, 525, 853 steel bikes. All decked out with retro grouch Campy and SRAM 10 speed. It works for me.
@TheOBOM
3 жыл бұрын
My steel Benotto from late 70's/early 80's has one of the first Ultegra group sets with index shifting, but commandeurs are still on the lower tube. Wheels are Campagnolo and as old as the bike itself. Cinelli bars and posts, only upgrade are the SPD's from 2010, hyperglide 8 speed cassete and chain, and the Selle Italia Flite saddle. Yes, it's bloody heavy and has a lot of 'flex'; I like to call it the 'Mobile Steel Crush Bar Set' but it is most ceartainly NOT falling apart, sir! Duh. Steel is real and Old Farts can still do some decent cycling, mind you. Nice vid again, thanks.
@Wingnut65
3 жыл бұрын
Couple of top presenters equals a quality, entertaining video. Love the content...including the bleeps?!! 😁 I’m afraid I preferred the new tech, nostalgia is great but the easier the better at my age! 🥵
@Kaiserfa
3 жыл бұрын
Clearly the Filante. I just like those modern frame geometries way more.
@ivancamacho7668
3 жыл бұрын
No question: Oh that cool classic bike!
@davetbrunner
3 жыл бұрын
Back to watching GCN like I used to. Just purchased late '70s Raleigh and its fitted with 700x35s and bull horn handlebars. Kinda my favorite experience ever being on a bike. Newest isn't the answer for everyone 🥲😍 Edit: Sorta resembles car culture. Manuals going away, so is gas. Old school mechanical things are becoming jewels to hold on to.
@lestick4368
Жыл бұрын
I've got a '98 Bianchi, and while I'd love to get a carbon frame for racing, it is so much fun to ride the Bianchi, even though it's obnoxiously heavy and falls apart every few weeks.
@jdickens111
3 жыл бұрын
Love em both, but i think the Superleggera is a bit more sexy. Love the classic lines and the paint/color is spot on.
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