Thank you for this video; it helped me figure out what type of alloy I want to have for my next set of cymbals
@stevenfisher2700
Жыл бұрын
Great videos and education! Thank you!
@SeanLaMontagne
4 жыл бұрын
Wow what a helpful video!
@lov1another
Жыл бұрын
Thanks! 👍
@wewennomagic6784
3 жыл бұрын
Me as a brass cymbal user 👁👄👁
@ratamadiddle
11 ай бұрын
Nice video…but to be a “fair fight” I think you should have used a higher quality B8 cymbal such as a Paiste Giant Beat or 2002 instead of an entry level one.
@daronjohnson9095
4 ай бұрын
I love how people bring up paiste 2002 but the starter pack is $1200 lmao like for that money you can get handmade high quality Turkish b20 cymbal pack so why would anyone even buy those?
@alanissexy99
4 ай бұрын
Go off yall. 🧐
@PeDDeR27
Ай бұрын
@@daronjohnson9095 because they are professional, high end cymbals. The 2002 cymbals are just as good as, if not better than, quite a few B20 cymbals. It just depends on the type of sound you want.
@daronjohnson9095
Ай бұрын
@@PeDDeR27 ahhh I see, hmmm I'll have to look into it, I appreciate your reply thank you
@PeDDeR27
Ай бұрын
@@daronjohnson9095 no worries! Paiste does B8 right with their 2002 line. Even their mid range B8 cymbals sound really good for what they are. Check out PST 7’s, especially their light/thin cymbals. They sound amazing for the price. Definitely not up there with the 2002 or B20, but damn close and at a good price point.
@ChickenPermissionOG
5 жыл бұрын
b20 seems to ring and carry more and b8 sound muted.
@SeanLaMontagne
4 жыл бұрын
B8 cymbals like Zildjian ZBTs, Sabian B8s, Meinl HCS, all sound and feel clunky. You can make it work with a hi-hat, ride, or even an effect cymbal. But a ZBT/HCS/B8 Crash sounds like garbage. The 16" Meinl HCS is one of the worst name brand crash cymbal I have ever heard (excluding cymbals made my companies like Pearl to send with their starter drumsets). But even then, I think a Pearl CX-whatever sounds better than a 16" HCS.
@jekcons6182
4 жыл бұрын
Meinl HCS is brass not b8
@goesjem
Жыл бұрын
You should hear black label Paiste 2002's. I have them, both standards and mediums sets. They sustain forever. A beautiful glassy shimmery tone that is not too bright, really.
@pitinhabitant
11 ай бұрын
@@jekcons6182"HCSB" (HCS Bronze) or the discontinued MCS are B8 Bronze tho, and and much better beginner cymbals than standard HCS Brass.
@ratamadiddle
11 ай бұрын
Because so many kids grew up playing clangy B8 entry level cymbals they became biased against the high end B8 cymbals Paiste has made for decades. I suggest everyone keep an open mind about B8, B12, and especially B15 (Paiste Signature Traditionals etc.) They may not be your cup of tea, but there are some beautiful sounding cymbals out there that aren't B20. @@SeanLaMontagne
@mikegarwood8680
2 жыл бұрын
One thing you don't want in cymbals is zinc. It is the reason brass cymbals sound like crap; 30+% is zinc. If you want your cymbals to sound like cheap drawer knobs, go ahead. Also, one needs to be careful about the "other" bronze alloys besides B20. All of these alloy formulations, such as B8 or B12, are actually company trade secrets and the only element they're admitting to is the percentage of tin in the alloy. The remaining percentage isn't going to necessarily be all copper (e.g., there is likely zinc or else mixed in). Legend even says that the original B20 cymbal bronze had a trace amount of silver in it, due to copper ore being in close proximity to silver deposits...as well as arsenic. The other critical thing is that high quality cymbals come individually cast blanks, not from wrought sheet copper (e.g., blanks punched from sheet metal). Using stamped sheet bronze is a much cheaper to make cymbals, since it will require less additional forming to get to the end product; some very cheap cymbals have the tonal grooves stamped on (not hammered and lathed). Cymbals from cast blanks require much work to get them to their final form--hot rolling and annealing/tempering, hammering, lathing, more hammering...all labor intensive processes, but these impart the "soul" and uniqueness to each of these cymbals--something lacking from the cheaply made ones. Some things just don't really benefit from automation; skipping or changing whole processes results in inferior products, one only needs to hear the results to know.
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