man im just happy comments are allowed :D its so good to see everyones opinions on the matter. Much appreciated for not locking the comment section
@Hup-x1y
7 ай бұрын
True full n final
@RJH755
7 ай бұрын
QnA usually has their comments on just not 1News for some reason
@markreynolds6220
7 ай бұрын
thy have alwyas been open on nzqna
@MrRasZee
7 ай бұрын
@@RJH755 yes 1 news is leftist fake news
@anthonymorgan6255
7 ай бұрын
A little bit of Glasnost from the ministry of truth .
@chrisrutherfurd9338
7 ай бұрын
If the media and certain politicians focused as much on improving housing, infrastructure, education and health as much as they do on the treaty, NZ would be a well oiled, first world nation.
@StGammon77
7 ай бұрын
We were in the top 5 thriving Nations once, until the Treaty interference and fraud, everyone knows it. Maori property is their tangata whenua, everywhere else they are not, every property owner is the person of that area of land simple. Principles weren't attached to the Treaty but been indoctrinated into silly racist minds and not consented by the people so here we are learning the English writ thanks colonization!
@BainesAdam
7 ай бұрын
The Media reports on the government it doesn't make policy. you need to ask the government why it isn't concentrating on the issues that so rightly concern you. The Coalition controls house business, This is the business they choose to bring up
@chriswhata
7 ай бұрын
@@StGammon77 what bs is thriving nations?
@chriswhata
7 ай бұрын
get back to your cauldron and broom
@turi03175
7 ай бұрын
Kapai Chris thats the one focus on the basics 🎉🎉instead worrying dreamers, us Moari's ain't hell bent but if anyone going muck with Moari's sovereignty there'll be a fight seemore should of left it well alone shouldn't of happen now that it has I feel for the kids brown/white/black don't matter may God protect them as we endure through tis episode of history ameni
@sherylwhite2201
7 ай бұрын
Jack you're talking about reinterpreting of the principles as if the principles were the treaty,but they're not! The principles were first created 40+ years ago by the Courts. Pleas don't confuse the Treaty and the principles in your interviews, you just continue the confusion
@kiwiyogi2846
7 ай бұрын
Good point.
@frankcoggan3880
7 ай бұрын
Jack is not that smart.
@AholeAtheist
7 ай бұрын
The "treaty" is irrelevant. We honour te Tiriti, not the treaty.
@peterhedgecock159
4 ай бұрын
@@AholeAtheist that's because your a dickhead . Bludge on bro
@murraythompson4386
3 ай бұрын
True story, the treaty is all we should be focusing on not some interperated principals . All NZers should be voting on any changes to the treaty and not just iwi, Geoff palmer and some courts and the tribunal. If we dont get a vote on changing our founding document then it's not being followed by most NZers!
@geotruthnz7013
7 ай бұрын
The problem is that some Maori have used their perceived indigenous rights to bully other NZers such as the recent blocking boat ramps during the fishing contest up north. I'm Maori but why would we want Iwis to have these special rights over others when they do such petty things. There has to be a middle ground that honours the treaty but stops these radical outlaws.
@jesseking7668
7 ай бұрын
That's exactly right mate. Equal rights for all. Anything we can have done to make new zealand a more fair, safe and prosperous is a good thing for all. Not everyone will be happy with changes, but as long as we are taking steps in the right direction.
@kevin5073
7 ай бұрын
Because it was THEIR land. At the time of the signing, they outnumbered Europeans 40 to 1. Signing the treaty with the Crown ALLOWED your ancestors to come here and live. And how were they paid back for that generosity? Theft, murder, supression of their culture to name but three. For a 130 years people were happy to take advantage of that and now that the ledger is being evened up, its all 'what about MY rights'.
@AholeAtheist
7 ай бұрын
Good. What's radical is actually ignoring history and pretending that the radical things Maori had to endure never happened. Stopping a bunch of people going recreational fishing is not radical.
@kevin5073
7 ай бұрын
Nothing ‘perceived’ about it and they are indigenous to this country whether you like it or not.
@geotruthnz7013
7 ай бұрын
@@AholeAtheist Those people going recreational fishing are Maori as well. Iwi radical protectionism effects everyone and as happened historically Maori will fight with each other and not just against non Maori. I know this well being a Maori fisherman and Iwi are some of the worst when it comes to pillaging the local fishery. Some Iwi pretend to care for the oceans stopping recreational fishing but often it's an excuse just for control. Extremism is going to make things worse and not heal historic wrongs.
@Ruru-pj3ve
7 ай бұрын
It is not about the principles or equal rights, it is a resource grab, follow the money peeps. If the rights of Maori to exercise tinorangatiratanga, and therefore protection, over their lands, estates, forests, fisheries and other treasures (Article two of Te Tiriti) is extingished, then that is an important barrier removed to the wholesale exploitation of Aotearoa's natural resources by corporate interests. We all lose if this Bill is passed .
@Kereru
7 ай бұрын
100%. Seymour is a neoliberal. He doesn't care about protecting our resources for the future or the equality of kiwis, he cares about creating a system where corporations and private interests rule supreme.
@carolosborne2899
7 ай бұрын
100%!!! You're on to them!!!
@myresponsesarelimited7895
7 ай бұрын
💯
@TheSpartacusBrown
7 ай бұрын
They aren't proposing to change the Articles of the ToW so nothing is being extinguished. Also, iwi are currently exploiting fishery (natural) resources as a commercial entity, so should we follow that money?
@myresponsesarelimited7895
7 ай бұрын
@@TheSpartacusBrown of course we should- all corruption, nobody is above the law, don't forget- the treaty is the law too, you can say your not changing the treaty, while you change the way it's interpreted, but don't act like there's a difference. It's just another way to skin the same cat.
@Mark-g6l7i
7 ай бұрын
We sold our boat witha written signed agreement for $65 thousand but it was worth 3 times that!! Will the new owners please compensate us ?? Ridiculous - move on grifters
@thomasr246
7 ай бұрын
Can Jake answer a simple question that David asks him, is this how journalists act now?
@julioduck19
7 ай бұрын
Bro this isn't a debate it's called an interview for a reason...
@thomasr246
7 ай бұрын
@@julioduck19 just so obvious as David pointed out that Jake is stamping his own views on the interview , like majority of media in nz doing, it’s like he’s attacking with questions to try catch him out. Weak journalism
@ajk4842
7 ай бұрын
I think it's good. Māori don't have the opportunity to ask these questions to Seymour. Seymour wont talk to us, unless we have money or land. I welcome the debate tho. I didn't agree with Māori drowning out Seymour and Winston at Waitangi. I wanted to hear what they had to say.
@budsnz
7 ай бұрын
It’s not”Jack’s” job to answer questions.
@thomasr246
7 ай бұрын
@@budsnz it is when you ask silly ones. And he puts this whole ideology clear on display and into the question are we in nz heading down America path of Left wing Ring wing main media because our journalists can’t keep there own ideology out of there journalism?
@overover..
7 ай бұрын
So nice to see David debated by a formidable intellectual, instead of misrepresented by hacks
@AholeAtheist
7 ай бұрын
LOL. Jack Genocide Supporter Tame is not that. And David hasn't been misinterpreted just because some people see through his disingenuous lies and dog whistles. Perhaps you need to go back to school.
@JohnWick-gk2bc
7 ай бұрын
‼️SEYMOUR IS RIGHT!! EQUALITY FOR ALL KIWIS NOT JUST FOR SOME!!👍‼️
@ajk4842
7 ай бұрын
I think Maori know NZ or the crown will never pay dollar for dollar in compensation for the wrongs that have been committed to Maori. It would be nice but we know there would probably be no more NZ due to bankruptcy. However, we say fine, kei te pai, since you can't return all the land, can't pay us the full amount of what it is worth, we shall require a seat at the decision making table to be able to discuss policies that effect us. For example, if you want your powerlines to run through this area, stay away from placing the pylons or trenches where my ancestors are buried, you can put them anywhere else. If you want to discharge your waste water into the streams we have used for generations, you need to have a treatment system that gets the water to a acceptable quality before discharging. I think, it is these types of things that we are ultimately asking for as a minimum. I guess a form of co-governance. We are not here to block every development or policy under the sun. Some are good. Heck, our ancestors were developers when they first arrived. It's the developments and policies that affect us and are run by the people who don't even care about us that we have a problem with.
@MDL.720
7 ай бұрын
If all of the land of NZ was returned to the Maori, most of the highly skilled labour we have here would simply move overseas and the infrastructure would rapidly collapse. "can't pay us the full amount of what it is worth" The primary reason those assets are worth what they are is because of the contribution of ALL NZe'rs. That wealth wasn't created out of thin air. That land is worth nothing without the 200 or so years of sweat and tears ALL NZ'ers have invested into this country since the treaty was signed to make it the prosperous country it is today. Why do Maori people have a right to all of that wealth which they didn't solely create? In regards to the power lines, waste water, etc. This applies to ALL NZ'ers, ALL of us want adequate water treatment and as minimal amount of pollution as possible, ALL of us want to protect the environment, ALL of us want the graves of our ancestors shown respect, I don't see how these issues are exclusive to Maori and therefore require co-governance?
@ajk4842
7 ай бұрын
@@MDL.720 We already know it isn't feasible to return all land to Maori. Won't stop us from trying to claim some back. We already know NZ won't pay the full amount. Because of the reasons you pointed out. We understand that land has been worked on by NZ'ers, farmers, companies, NZ has benefited from the development, it doesn't change the fact that our family had been killed for this to happen. In some area's we don't own a blade of grass of a site that our ancestors were killed on by British Forces. So we ask the current landowners to include us in the decisions they make involving the significant area's we have been disposed of. I understand you believe these issues applies to all NZ'ers, but sadly there are too many instances were Maori are left out, ignored, disregarded when it comes to protecting our significant sites that have history dating centuries. But lets protect a 60 year Old Victorian dwelling? We know majority of Europeans don't care about us, we are out numbered in our own homeland. If a development came across the table that negatively affected us, no one would advocate for Maori, more than Maori.
@ajk4842
7 ай бұрын
@@MDL.720 We know returning all of the land will be a detriment to NZ and probably be the end of this country. I don't think most educated Maori want that. What we do want is to protect our most sacred places and resources that our ancestors had for centuries before being dispossessed of it by the British. If we can get it back, then cool. If not, then fine. Please let us be part of the decisions that concern these places we once had before being killed for it. We understand the work all NZers role in creating wealth in this country. We don't deny that. But the land was confesicated in the first place. If I stole something from you, gave it to someone else to develop and improve, it doesn't change the fact that it was stolen. We know we won't get back land or dollars of what it's worth. We don't want to dispossess ordinary NZers of their hard work. So for our compensation of being wronged, we ask for at least a seat at the decision making table to try protect what we've lost, and what very little we do have. Unfortunately, no, not all NZers want adequate waste water treatment, minimal pollution, protection of the environment, and protecting our grave sites. The amount of resource consent requests Iwi receive, asking to discharge untreated water into nearby streams and rivers is too much for some iwi to manage. There are still many developments that stumble on our ancestors villages and end up digging their bones. Some mining and construction companies even hide these discoveries to avoid the headache of dealing with Maori. Why do we ask for co-governance? Because we know most Europeans dont care about us, our history and our generational connection to NZ. we are out numbered in our own homeland. When the government makes decisions that impact Maori, even after signing the treaty, no one else will advocate for Maori, more than Māori, the original inhabitants of this land.
@rockyjones2563
7 ай бұрын
@@ajk4842 I thought hawaiki was the homeland of Maori?
@ajk4842
7 ай бұрын
@@rockyjones2563 Motherland. I think Hawaiki to most Māori, is a place, physically or spiritually, where their ancestors came from before they arrived to their turangawaewae, or place they now call home in NZ. In turn, there are many hawaki. That's why you see many similar names through out the Pacific. Hawaii, Savaii, Havaiki and more.
@acegikmoii
7 ай бұрын
Seymour is brilliant! He gently calls Jack out (TVNZ) for pushing a political position from the far-left by suggesting it may not be Jack's own personal view. I respect the way Seymour is able to calmly control his thoughts in such an articulate and logical fashion. Luxon is truely as weak as water by comparison in my view.
@pariscooper5458
7 ай бұрын
😂😂😂 Seamen ain't good at all! 😂
@ajk4842
7 ай бұрын
I don't see Luxon as weak. He's weak to you because he doesn't follow your views. He said he won't support Acts bill past first selection, and he's sticking to it. How's that weak? Luxon just has a little spider trying to run the ship. Seymour isn't even Deputy prime minister yet.
@acegikmoii
7 ай бұрын
@@ajk4842 I was considering Luxon's ability to be convincing. He comes across to me as weak because he may not be resolute in the position he has been primed to follow by the WEF-infiltrated NZ Civil service. His interests toward the people of this country are not genuine to me as I observe him. He is batting for the same globalists whose slow agenda is destroying Europe, the USA, and most other western countries which have been far too readily (and easily) subverted to follow socialism rather than capitalism. Six years to go, but the changes will be rapid even this year. Look at the digital cage of street cameras (added to by the day) that has been quietly assembled around us. Nobody looks up, nobody notices.
@angelahacche739
7 ай бұрын
@acegikmoii Absolutely! It is refreshing to see the articulate, calm response from David to a clearly biased, unprofessional journalist clearly showing his political leanings. Tame should perhaps refresh himself on the principles of journalism. A masterclass by David on calling him out on his 'personal' views. Tame was totally outclassed.
@greyhamlogan2255
7 ай бұрын
Maori are not the indigenous race. We have a treaty with those who ate the original occupants.
@aubreyselwyn6020
7 ай бұрын
That's another English myth made up story. Ask the Moriori, they still survive today.
@maarie6262
Ай бұрын
Oh sheez. Really? This incorrect rhetoric is the result the NZ education system not knowing/teaching Aotearoa NZ history.
@jackie7892
7 ай бұрын
I like the number 3 refined principle : all New Zealander should have equal rights … no one is above other ethics , like UsA and AU
@margaretpowell5447
7 ай бұрын
Do you think the American Indians have the same rights or the Aborigines.
@dasheimataiti
7 ай бұрын
Or African Americans aswell who have been striped of their original identity culture and language gone
@haydenkelliher2859
7 ай бұрын
@@margaretpowell5447 NZ got a much better deal with the crown
@daisyandcoffee1
7 ай бұрын
Absolutely they don’t
@HelenYvetteFoster-el5mr
7 ай бұрын
So 👍 true
@millymurphy5893
3 ай бұрын
Tautoko you Davd! You are more Maori than TPM will ever be. Thank you
@jesseking7668
7 ай бұрын
Can Seymour pass a bill so new zealanders can effectively block ads from temu?
@agnesgibson8916
7 ай бұрын
😃😃2nd thatLL
@theoriginaltoadnz
6 ай бұрын
hahaa gold.
@YeeWhoEnterHere
6 ай бұрын
No that would be useful, and cause too much mental relief. He's here to do the opposite
@jamesbroughton7635
5 ай бұрын
Kia ora Sheryl, While you’re correct the Principles and Treaty and Te Tiriti documents are 2 very different things and have been compiled by scholars (historians especially), courts, Waitangi tribunal, Iwi leaders and Politicians. The Treaty Principles are what is known as the Treaty and Te Tiriti representative in New Zealand law. The problem for David, is that the Principles were built around fair interpretation of both documents and acknowledged Maori as did the treaty and te tiriti. David’s interpretation of the Principles doesn’t align with any of the Treaty or Te Tiriti texts and has been told so by many experts both left and right.
@geofreyr
3 ай бұрын
hear hear!
@taylorjessica4286
7 ай бұрын
Surely if there's a variation to a contract/legislative agreement both parties have to agree to any variations/changes. Otherwise how can it be the same contract?
@JamesClark-cg1qk
7 ай бұрын
There is no variation. The ToW made everyone equal.
@trihard3d
7 ай бұрын
Well neither of the parties are alive today.
@YoCalmYaFarm
7 ай бұрын
Yes and to do it in ‘good faith’. Not try to wipe the slate clean without any consultation of the other party. As much as David Seemore$$ would like people to believe what an ideal outcome would look like for him, this is not Neverland.
@aaronjacobs4411
7 ай бұрын
@@JamesClark-cg1qkyou are right, but obviously there is a little bit more involved!
@markswanson2716
7 ай бұрын
@@trihard3d both parties are alive today because it is a treaty between "the crown" and a collective of Iwi. Both parties are alive and well today. 👍
@Mizpah5
7 ай бұрын
Of course the wider public are allowed to have their say. Not just the elite.
@mishbeazley6335
7 ай бұрын
yeah nah...Maori Elite all day every day mate
@kevin5073
7 ай бұрын
You could argue the white elite have had too much say.
@kevin5073
7 ай бұрын
About time the pakeha elite took a backseat.
@jackie7892
7 ай бұрын
If it hinders how the country is going forward , it should be refined
@kingdavid3066
7 ай бұрын
this country has gone nothing but backwards my whole life, i think these supremacists should take a seat for a maori prime minister
@resourcerods
2 ай бұрын
not at all. It isn't up to white people to redefine a treaty signed by the crown and the maori people
@ajk4842
7 ай бұрын
Maori aren't trying to just veto everything. We want to be apart of the process because for too long, the crown just trample and disregard us, and don't care about a group of people who have lived here for centuries. If generations of a Maori community have a Marae next to a river or stream, and use it to gather food, or swim in, or whatever they use it for, and then a developer, farmer, industrial factory, or some organization upstream wants to discharge untreated water into these waterways, we want to be able to be at the discussion table and say "hey guys, that isn't a good idea because you will be effecting this community. Lets discuss other options".
@StGammon77
7 ай бұрын
Government shouldnt favour groups sorry, newsflash! ... you're not special
@ajk4842
7 ай бұрын
@@StGammon77 They shouldn't, but they have. The Government has favored Europeans for centuries.
@TheSpartacusBrown
7 ай бұрын
Your scenario would be awful, but Maori do not need special rights to prevent it. We need to task our goverent with preventing it, which we do. Or is this about the Koha that Maori expect for being at the table?
@ajk4842
7 ай бұрын
@@TheSpartacusBrown Māori are outnumbered in their homeland. We know majority of NZers don't care about us and just vote in a new government to trample on us. It has happened now and has before. The treaty is the main thing we use to protect our history and ancient connections to this land and in doing so, we help preserve other parts of NZs natural environment. Because we know most of NZ don't care about it if it isn't bringing in money to their pockets.
@TheSpartacusBrown
7 ай бұрын
@@ajk4842 saying "the majority of NZers don't care about us" is a roundabout way of saying Pakeha don't care about us. Which is a generalization based on race, ie racist. It's also untrue. All NZers have common core values that we need to recognize and uphold, that's what makes our community strong. Creating separate status or culture by race should not be one of them.
@womenofworthtrust5682
7 ай бұрын
Te tiriti was an agreement between the Queen of England and Maori Not Kiwi and Maori
@mobbarley7517
7 ай бұрын
Exactly
@gbrown9663
7 ай бұрын
Kiwi is a bird
@teharipumautonu
7 ай бұрын
You're right, the crown, the English royal family, not your everyday Joe seymour trying to have a go
@mitchelldenysschen3224
7 ай бұрын
And anyone that thinks that the Royal Family in UK have even read or cares about the Te Tiriti is greatly mistaken. Time for all people living in New Zealand to look to each other, wave goodbye to this royal family that does not care about us, and move into the future as a Republic with a new written Constitution.
@MDL.720
7 ай бұрын
@@mitchelldenysschen3224 The UK would see this as a mark of disrespect, I'm not sure that would be in our best interest. We're a small, defenceless, and relatively poor country on the global stage, we need as much support as we can get. Especially with the emergence of BRICS.
@justinfarrow4803
7 ай бұрын
Thought I'd watch to try and inform myself, I seem more confused. Sounds like David wants to re interpret the bill of principles to suit what he thinks it should be, without consulting or discussions with the people that one of the founding documents of this country was drawn up to protect in the first place. You dont sign a purchase or rental agreement and then start changing things as you go to suit when you feel like it without the outher party agreeing, so whats the difference with the treaty
@zanetaranaki7918
7 ай бұрын
Exactly my take on it too. I heard a lot of 'I' want or 'I' think from David Seymour.
@Kereru
7 ай бұрын
Exactly, try telling your bank it's just not practical to pay the rest of your mortgage 😂
@carlngatai7201
7 ай бұрын
This sounds like exactly the opposite of what he has been saying
@myresponsesarelimited7895
7 ай бұрын
Agreed- This is the proverbial forked tongue colonisers are famous for. Can't understand why we don't all follow the money- it always tells the truth.
@StGammon77
7 ай бұрын
The principles written are a problem that's why they have to be corrected
@markreynolds6220
7 ай бұрын
unfortunately 4 jack seymore has quite a profound intellect
@Ruru-pj3ve
7 ай бұрын
Seymour is a right wing NPC, repeating talking points developed in right wing think tanks from elsewhere.
@wolfgangweidinger4637
7 ай бұрын
@@Ruru-pj3ve Proof please or else its an accusation or distribution of misinformation
@jeremyharris5817
7 ай бұрын
“No iwi has engaged on what those principles are.” Mate, they’ve held two Hui in a month where they’ve engaged with those principles and told you what they think, then they have shown up in force to Waitangi and said very clearly we engaged with the proposed principles and we don’t like them. You just aren’t listening. You call for a discussion then avoid the discussion. A discussion is not a one sided talk fest by you. By your logic, David, you haven’t said anything about the treaty principles because you’ve only spoken to the media and in speeches at Waitangi about it. This is why they drown you out with a waiata that says “listen” , “whakarongo” over and over.
@oliverlennox6828
7 ай бұрын
preach brother
@mikecorrigan4243
7 ай бұрын
Tena koe e hoa. Tautoko
@str8gary
7 ай бұрын
I was surprised at how poorly Seymour's talking points came across under simple questioning (compared to when he makes them in his speeches and videos). IMO he didn't satisfactorily answer the question put to him several times about how one party to a treaty can reinterpret its meaning without the other party's consent. He went back to his points about how the current interpretation of the treaty unfairly benefits Māori, then effectively questioned the relevancy of the treaty today. Clearly, it does matter to a lot of people, particularly when the proposed reinterpretation of the principles purposefully excludes one of the parties.
@StGammon77
7 ай бұрын
Maori do not run the Country ok!! Treaty Chiefs warned their people NOT to start political parties read the Kohimarama Conference records
@StGammon77
7 ай бұрын
50 years of maori dreaming up additions and principles has been a huge mistake by not having democratic consent, now those fabricated additions need to be defined and agreed upon BY THE PEOPLE , maori do not Govern us you need to get that straight!
@andyoliver5140
7 ай бұрын
I agree with david on this
@petertrott5107
7 ай бұрын
He makes sense, it's the way I feel. It needs to be clear in everyone's head. Let's bring it on, let's bring to the table.
@tearkshunta5407
7 ай бұрын
What exactly needs to be clear? Honoring the Treaty!!!! yes I agree. Seymour Butts just contradicted himself and tried to dodge Jacks questions so he had to repeat the question.
@petertrott5107
7 ай бұрын
@@tearkshunta5407 I will say this once the whole treaty and now shut your stupid mouth
@Hup-x1y
7 ай бұрын
Wat does it truly mean for all NZers without diminishing or changing the treaty of waitangi and maori customary rights , , ,
@petertrott5107
7 ай бұрын
@@Hup-x1y stop abusing the English language you racist. This is a serious disgusting insult Wat is spelt What.
@illogicalslayer9856
7 ай бұрын
How does he make sense? If this was a world wherein the treaty was upheld from the start we would probably have an entwined government of Māori and Crown at the moment. Not one where Māori are still second class citizens in Aotearoa New Zealand. If the treaty was upheld from the start there would be no situation where they would need "extra rights" (there are no such extra rights, it is just people complaining about having to uphold the treaty) to fix past wrongs by now.
@lightweightbuddy
7 ай бұрын
Probably the most misrepresented and misunderstood politician in NZ.
@AholeAtheist
7 ай бұрын
LOL. No.
@Freedom4NME2025
7 ай бұрын
If only Our people would open their ears to broadcasts like this 🙏🙏🙏👏
@darrenhaumaha8900
7 ай бұрын
Seymour wants equals RIGHTS for ALL NZers Non Maori and Maori
@StGammon77
7 ай бұрын
Yeh Pakeha and non Pakeha
@kristobahl
7 ай бұрын
Shame he lives in a country where Maori were the original inhabitants, and Maori made the mistake of letting the whiteys in. Would be good to see the Maori just kick everybody the fuc# out! And Im a whitey
@StGammon77
7 ай бұрын
There's no Maori left they married our men 😅😅😅
@StGammon77
7 ай бұрын
Maoris are mostly Euro non maori
@rihipaeahughes9831
4 ай бұрын
We all have culture, some have survived only to be attacked over and over, wake up now 😢
@feesullivan3439
7 ай бұрын
All people. We should never decide by race. That happened in the past.
@Aids183
7 ай бұрын
Where? and what was the outcome?
@BlaccStallion
7 ай бұрын
Exactly this is an open door for racism
@turi03175
7 ай бұрын
Racism everyday trolls are using Moari's history to discredit moari happening right now present moment using it to decide Moari's future in a country Moari own?how was that worked out?by stealing the owners lands truth has to be expressed out no repentance they going to hell if someone a atheist they going to hell once truth is revealed the curses will be lifted in Jesus precious name amen
@unclejoe7958
6 ай бұрын
Can anyone else see a conflict of interest regarding the ‘crown’ and Maori ? The so called partnership is between the crown,ie the nz government and Maori. But Maori can be part of the government and also remain as Maori. If the treaty is between the crown and Maori it implies that the crown or government was never intended to include Maori as a parliamentary representative. How can you be both part of the crown and Maori ? Maori signed the treaty acknowledging that the crown would govern nz. There was a complete distinction between the crown and Maori. Nowhere does the treaty state that Maori shall govern. Therefore why are some Maori governing. I have no qualms with Maori in parliament so long as they represent all New Zealanders, but I’m still confused about the distinction and role of crown and Maori.
@rihipaeahughes9831
4 ай бұрын
That's why you adopt the Maori nickname "ordinary we are Tangatawhenua
@StGammon77
3 ай бұрын
Great points my thoughts as well in fact the Treaty Chiefs warned their people at the 1860 Kohimarama Conference NOT to start political party's. And yeh they are not and never were a completely seperate people there were 500 tribes and they all ended up under the Govt they chose not having any of their own. They sold 90% of NZ and integrated marrying us and producing mixed race can't be separated now they need to be re-educated and all references to the Treaty and principles should be removed from education and legislation.
@tangatatoamma5240
7 ай бұрын
theres no talk of Maori retaining there Rangatiratanga, which was agreed upon by both Maori and Pakeha.
@StGammon77
7 ай бұрын
David is one of the Rangitira voted in by NZ, can't you understand you are all just citizens like everyone else
@StGammon77
3 ай бұрын
Our family never signed the Treaty and why should they get to wave a black wand to decide who's going to Govern us? Completely stupid, what while you hunt us down kill and eat our kids on our boundaries if they step over the fence? You get to run around naked with a spear while we get arrested for stealing bread you must be mad to think that maori weren't the ones needing law!
@RJH755
7 ай бұрын
3:06 You've gotta love when politicians justify constitutional changes based on anecdotes about "people who say in my work place a feel-" Ah yes Billy Bob from Nelson is trying to find an excuse for why he didn't get promoted, better get rid of the treaty principles which are already a compromise for Maori...
@MDL.720
7 ай бұрын
So 'diversity hiring' and 'affirmative action' are just made up terms?
@ducker09
7 ай бұрын
Press on David . Dont look back WE ARE ALL BEHIND YOU .😮
@vjbond3945
7 ай бұрын
There's more Chinese in NZ than Maori lol
@denim8625
6 ай бұрын
Chinese make up 5.3% of the population, this is not true.
@ClarrieSlade
Ай бұрын
White people too
@iBeLordi
7 ай бұрын
After moving to the Waikato from Wellington from what I have seen is that Maori do not care about Maori they love to talk about how Maori are one people and it's complete bullshit. There has and always will be a class war; the Maori elite have no interests in looking after Maori they're only interested in looking after themselves. So the end result is quite simple David Seymour can see that quite clearly which is putting everyone on the exact same ground with the exact same respect and rights to the land and people who we share this beautiful country with. I am Maori myself but face constant ostracization from those who also claim to be Maori and from years of having my own Mana dishonoured I believe that the values of Maori that were signed under the treaty to be protected are as dead as those who signed said treaty. It's time to move on and there is no time like the future.
@tanepukenga1421
4 ай бұрын
It's funny how it's only pakeha saying that
@TiffanyTwisted-w3q
3 ай бұрын
Is this really a Maori? I'm reading the way you write and.... the singular video attached to your account is not corresponding. There are many accounts online at the moment that are actually being run by despicable racists with bad intentions and I am concerned. In response to the people you expected to look after you or yours, usually rotten energy is met with such!
@TiffanyTwisted-w3q
3 ай бұрын
@@tanepukenga1421yes there's pakeha pretending to be first nations on all platforms 👀
@tanepukenga1421
3 ай бұрын
@@TiffanyTwisted-w3q Ngati Porou and Ngati Pukenga. Yes, I am. And yes, I know there's plenty of false flag actors pretending to be Maori, I regularly call them out when they try fake te reo. If you looked at my account, you'd see how old it is, so I would've had to think about making a false flag account in the first starting years of youtube, and then carried on using it for well over a decade as a main to carry on the farce. Not that logical, eh? The main things in the comment above is the "maori elite" comment, which I've never heard another Maori say in over 30 years of life, them advocating for David suckmore and them pretending we don't still have the same values. Again, in 30+ years I've never met another Maori who didn't value family, stability and being able to live how they want.
@iBeLordi
3 ай бұрын
@@TiffanyTwisted-w3q I am Kāi Tahu and for you to think how you do shows how oblivious you are, you clearly let emotions run your thoughts. Here is a thought lesson; when someone is on the street talking about how birds are government spies, we apply logic to the situation and come to the conclusion that no that statement is not based in factual reasoning. Guess what you just commented, your opinion is completely void because the conspiracy you believe simply does not exist. At the end of the day, I am not your enemy since I'm no elite again it's a class war and I don't own anything no house, no land and no future. I am working-class as in working all the time just to have a roof over my head and food to eat. And throwing labels like Pakeha around shows how little you bring to the table of conversation, if you have an opinion you need to articulate it instead of just wanting to insult someone because your feelings got hurt by ideas that you don't understand. That is how children behave, grow up.
@mikebruce7750
7 ай бұрын
Go David!!! 1 people 1 vote
@GarethGriffiths-j7i
7 ай бұрын
Seymour is brilliant. Smart high IQ and aiming to improve those lives that matter.
@stevenshaw5628
7 ай бұрын
Jack just got schooled by Seymour, everything Seymour said is true he is way too educated for Jack this is what New Zealand thinks this is why they voted for this government it’s about time the media understand that and every time they insult the government they insulting us. Have some pride in your country😢
@_.Marz._
7 ай бұрын
Meanwhile...Michael Hill is still getting robbed and the homicide rate in 2024 alone is shocking. But "Treaty Treaty Treaty" seems to be priority over the safety and wellbeing of "all New Zealanders" 🫣
@myresponsesarelimited7895
7 ай бұрын
Seymour has been formulating arguments since he decided to go forward with this paradoxical argument based on equal rights, Tane might not have researched the subject adequately, but thinking an argument is correct because you don't hear a compelling argument in reply does not solidify your argument, it only means you didn't get an acceptable reply in opposition to your opinion. 🤷♂️ ...don't get it twisted!
@kristobahl
7 ай бұрын
Nah. Seymour came across sleazier and more patronising than ever. He is a thinly veiled racist. Im talking about chiffon thin here
@kevin5073
7 ай бұрын
You think because Seymour throws in a few words of Te Reo in there he knows what he is talking about?
@kevinrogers2774
7 ай бұрын
Is it not time we, New Zealand, grew up and created, turned the treaty, and this discussion into a constitution?
@StGammon77
7 ай бұрын
We already have Commonwealth Magna Carta
@felipesimonetto7527
7 ай бұрын
My kids are latino kiwis born in this country they should have the same rights as every other Nzer
@matakitaki1
7 ай бұрын
That is the case you do have those rights, then there is Tangata Whenua who has rights to Tino Rangatiratanga.
@clashfacebook3033
7 ай бұрын
You have the same rights as every nzer born in this country... do you disagree?
@LtSharter
7 ай бұрын
I think you have been misled
@dasheimataiti
7 ай бұрын
What special rights does Maori have? Ask your self that
@AAL3087
7 ай бұрын
You have rights. You just lack knowledge to make a useful comment on the issue. If you are going to living here, make some effort to learn about it and try again. Otherwise you portray same ignorance this Seymour does. Don't be like Seymour.
@squashum778
7 ай бұрын
Māori don’t want equal rights, they want ‘ special ‘ rights.
@turi03175
7 ай бұрын
Never been equal you live moari if not you know FA
@izaiahlomax6239
7 ай бұрын
i’m māori, i feel like i have the same rights as you do, only difference is that i’m probably prettier then you
@mishbeazley6335
7 ай бұрын
now your learning bra...
@tanepukenga1421
4 ай бұрын
funny how it's always pakeha telling everyone what maori want
@Taiwan-NZ
7 ай бұрын
In last 5 years NZ has 4 billion more budget for Māori! All are taxpayers’ paid money!
@Neff17
7 ай бұрын
Are you whinging? I swear it’s all I hear these days. First world problems I guess
@YoCalmYaFarm
7 ай бұрын
Can you a provide link to the resources on where you got that information from?
@arenuzzle6282
7 ай бұрын
4 billion lol what a load of rubbish. Stupid gronk
@Ruru-pj3ve
7 ай бұрын
Provide the evidence
@wolfgangweidinger4637
7 ай бұрын
@@Ruru-pj3ve Go to the people who got billions in settlements or got billions in separate social institutions doubling up on taxpayer money that could be spend in these mundane things like hospitals where we now have affirmative action by race. A heart attack is surely different depending what color skin one has 🙄🙄
@miaoqiao8313
7 ай бұрын
I would like to show my respect to David - raising this issue requires massive courage. I also like his way of grasping the fundamental problem - the equality of human being. What attracts talents to New Zealand, an isolated island in Pacific, is not only the fabulous view, kind people (Tahiti also has them), but more importantly, a modern and advanced governance. Without the equality of people, the country partially becomes a tool to produce wealth to a small group of people based on their bloodline. Who is going to join just to be a ``slave”? In such cases, New Zealand will degrade to a third class country. Leadership is to find a direction for the future. I can see leadership in David.
@cmt89497
7 ай бұрын
Don't compare Tahiti to New Zealand. Tahiti, or French Polynesia (which is probably what you are referring to) are not even self governing. They have been under French rule since the 1840s and are considered French citizens. This is a way of stripping people of their identity and their autonomy and is essentially what the coalition government are trying to do to the Tangata Whenua of Aotearoa New Zealand. You think Maori are given more job opportunities because of their heritage? How about when people are given jobs because they speak Mandarin? What do you think about that? Do you think that's biased as well?
@danwilliams6172
7 ай бұрын
Good on you David for pushing of one New Zealand not division.
@AholeAtheist
7 ай бұрын
LOL. He is the one pushing division. Intelligent pakeha have solidarity with Maori. That is unity. Seymour is just playing to the low IQ racists.
@jamesbroughton7635
4 ай бұрын
Question I ask is from whose book of equality are you reading from?
@franciltarau-eagle9150
3 ай бұрын
If that's the case, why is he not fighting for māori with regards to the perpetual leases and every other issue that is not equitable for māori 🤔🤔
@jamesbroughton7635
3 ай бұрын
@@franciltarau-eagle9150 Who's asking anyone to take away perpetual leases? Perpetual leases is something Maori Landowners agree too, and is passed in the Maori Land Court.🙄🙄
@franciltarau-eagle9150
3 ай бұрын
@@jamesbroughton7635 get savvy with the info before spouting off, many iwi are at battles with this very thing. You need to watch the latest doco by Mata. You know nothing!!!!!!!
@josriley5280
7 ай бұрын
The majority voted to redefined this treaty and the Govt can't go back on it's word.
@ajk4842
7 ай бұрын
Act got about 9% of the vote?
@StGammon77
7 ай бұрын
@@ajk4842maoris got 2.5% lol
@ajk4842
7 ай бұрын
@@StGammon77 I actually voted National. But 9% is still not the majority voting for treaty reform. National didn't campaign on a treaty referendum.
@resourcerods
2 ай бұрын
the treaty was signed by maori and the british crown, no one but those two parties can change it
@TrakaBat
7 ай бұрын
The treaty is a treaty it's not a surrender document.
@StGammon77
7 ай бұрын
Yes it was sorry look around you
@TrakaBat
7 ай бұрын
@@StGammon77 def not. Changes require unanimous agreement between all signatories not a referendum by one signatory.
@StGammon77
7 ай бұрын
The Treaty was a surrender a simple nullity
@StGammon77
3 ай бұрын
@@TrakaBatwell as David pointed out the Tribunal has been doing that for 40 years without an ounce of explanation or consultation of NZdrs who you seem to think have nothing to do with it but oh we do, we are ALL protected by the Treaty, our purchased lands, our Tikanga Christianity, customs, traditions, beliefs, ways etc but Maori don't have the mandate to shove their bs up our noses and on our public spaces or private lands! Should stayed on your territory but you didnt you assimilated to our lifestyles cos it was supreme it cannot be changed we are mixed now, all Pakeha culturally
@TrakaBat
2 ай бұрын
@@StGammon77 actually doesn't change anything.
@dominicprice1043
7 ай бұрын
This is the worst racial slinging I have seen in NZ for many years, and now being talked about across the globe; people are now forced to choose sides, many people swayed by paid online social media influencers. I was happy the way it was... didn't affect or bother me as a non Maori New Zealander.
@markreynolds6220
7 ай бұрын
so equality for all is some how racist ....u r confused
@Neff17
7 ай бұрын
Yeah you’re spot on. All I hear is people whinging. People who follow politics, especially via MSM are all doom and gloom. From what I’ve seen David Seymour’s just another woke politician
@JamesClark-cg1qk
7 ай бұрын
The principle of equal rights for all is paramount.
@dominicprice1043
7 ай бұрын
Didn't we promised maori their rights for the atrocities they suffered through colonisation of over 100 years, being out numbered and over powered and not allowing them to speak maori at our schools. It seems, now we have changed our minds? And are now going to copy the Australians and go for a majority vote, knowing Maori will probably be out numbered and over powered, so we can put restrictions on their language? So I'm not sure about equal rights, well not yet anyway. @@JamesClark-cg1qk
@charmaineilaiutalei3316
7 ай бұрын
Why do you need a bill to feel equal? We all have equal value but what has that got to do with governance? We can't all govern this nation and its resources. We can't all be the Indigenous of a place. So get over it and accept that Māori were here first and many of us live and enjoy their unceded property
@BlaccStallion
7 ай бұрын
So hard working people who gained land are now striped because theya ain't maori wtfrk
@johnflave
7 ай бұрын
The only thing that mattered was the land. Māori had it, settlers wanted it, the Treaty meant settlers could put in place a government that would only be voted for by those with land, land owned freehold in the European way. Māori weren’t allowed to vote, because they had the most land. It took years for maori to get a vote, and even then it wasn’t an equal vote, because they had numbers.. It had to be a special vote, a Māori vote, on a separate roll. Māori have been dispossessed of their land, a right to have a say in the running of the country. Now you want to change the rules again, because they have become a force.. Shame on you Act. You cannot deny Māori the right to Māori land and the laws enacted to give them food, health and education as promised under the land deal made. We aren’t equal, and cannot ever be, until the 170 years of power and wealth stripping has stopped.
@illogicalslayer9856
7 ай бұрын
Agreed in full. This is just like when Italian and Nazi fascists stripped rights from their citizens because they thought they should no longer be citizens. Maori being a national group with rights recognised by the Crown as well as their own confederacy of Nations are just an easy scapegoat like fascists always use.
@Hup-x1y
7 ай бұрын
To the bone " deep "
@dgm2593
7 ай бұрын
Kiaora te korero!
@JamesClark-cg1qk
7 ай бұрын
Maori didn't own NZ. They inhabited small pockets of it, dependimg on the tribe. And Maori males had the vote ahead of non landowning European males.
@Mark-d5o5e
7 ай бұрын
@@JamesClark-cg1qk and now because of the 2017sir Edmond Hillary global impact visa scam more small pockets of land has inhabitants behind everyone's back .. like it never happened but still is happening cause no one's noticed it pushed through so fast at the begining of the 2017 realm .. . If your a good dancer why come to nz bring your family become a kiwi .. migrants population makes Maori population look obsolete .. looking at current history not digging up old .. Maori 16.5% other 13.7 % what is other in the census homeless 😉
@vegaskiwi4255
7 ай бұрын
It is time for the people to decide - A referendum on this should occur - All people in NZ will benefit from a better definition, one that is decided by the people.
@BamBam-uf4yi
7 ай бұрын
The government can't change the treaty its the treaty that gives them the right to govern the country. Btw. Where the hell are they gonna dig up 200 maori chiefs to sign off on the new treaty.
@mishbeazley6335
7 ай бұрын
well theres yr answer; cant so dont
@StGammon77
7 ай бұрын
Exactly, they spoke their intent its all recorded in the Kohimarama Conference papers in fact there's a book now called Kohimarama Conference by Tross Publishing plus other astonishing books of compiled documentation that throws a truth light on deceiving Maori Treaty tougher and racists
@stevandunn2437
7 ай бұрын
He’s not proposing to change the treaty. He’s proposing to change the treaty principles that were done under the Lange govt
@StGammon77
7 ай бұрын
It's the 1000 pages of principles that's the problem, it's like adding to the Bible, but because maori brownists have created a monster it now needs to be defined as the Country now has a grievance with the Crown and we matter!!
@waynehawtin6413
7 ай бұрын
I'm so impressed with David and his intelligent calm responses
@Neff17
7 ай бұрын
You’re easy to impress
@coroniscorriepiripi7507
7 ай бұрын
He’s delivering an aggressive notion calmly - if he wasn’t calm he would be put in a mental health unit. His delivery is deliberate
@Ruru-pj3ve
7 ай бұрын
So intelligent he called Aotearoa a republic and thinks we should get involved with German politics.
@paulrobertson1997
7 ай бұрын
Yep, David is probably the best and brightest politician NZ has had in a great many years. Some lesser intelligent folk find intelligence a threat to their flawed opinions, and thus they make petty comments instead of putting forward anything intelligent. Some of these folk will even resort to violence sometimes because they have no answers.
@DarkJonas33
7 ай бұрын
Equal rights for all? His proposed principles explicitly give more rights to land owners!
@anthonymorgan6255
7 ай бұрын
Are you in charge of the gulags?
@JamesClark-cg1qk
7 ай бұрын
Listen again
@jonesey81
7 ай бұрын
Not true@@JamesClark-cg1qk
@wuattwhanau5794
7 ай бұрын
Sadly this govt is backed by private investors - they will be erroding pakeha rights as we as Māori have pre - existing rights.
@food4thort
7 ай бұрын
The Maori version of the Treaty (as translated on the Waitangi Tribunal website): PREAMBLE - Victoria, the Queen of England, in her concern to protect the chiefs and the subtribes of New Zealand and in her desire to preserve their chieftainship and their lands to them and to maintain peace and good order considers it just to appoint an administrator one who will negotiate with the people of New Zealand to the end that their chiefs will agree to the Queen's Government being established over all parts of this land and (adjoining) islands and also because there are many of her subjects already living on this land and others yet to come. So the Queen desires to establish a government so that no evil will come to Māori and European living in a state of lawlessness. So the Queen has appointed 'me, William Hobson a Captain' in the Royal Navy to be Governor for all parts of New Zealand (both those) shortly to be received by the Queen and (those) to be received hereafter and presents to the chiefs of the Confederation chiefs of the subtribes of New Zealand and other chiefs these laws set out here. THE FIRST - The Chiefs of the Confederation and all the Chiefs who have not joined that Confederation give absolutely to the Queen of England for ever the complete government over their land. THE SECOND - The Queen of England agrees to protect the chiefs, the subtribes and all the people of New Zealand in the unqualified exercise of their chieftainship over their lands, villages and all their treasures. But on the other hand the Chiefs of the Confederation and all the Chiefs will sell land to the Queen at a price agreed to by the person owning it and by the person buying it (the latter being) appointed by the Queen as her purchase agent. THE THIRD - For this agreed arrangement therefore concerning the Government of the Queen, the Queen of England will protect all the ordinary people of New Zealand and will give them the same rights and duties of citizenship as the people of England.
@Andrew1991taxed
7 ай бұрын
Doesn’t matter, both versions are written by an Englishman. I’m law the primary signatory interpretation stands ie the english
@planbzy7391
7 ай бұрын
@@Andrew1991taxed the indigineous takes precedence in world law
@food4thort
7 ай бұрын
FYI The above Maori version of the ToW was translated by Sir Hugh Kawharu and appears on the Waitangi Tribunal website. Both the English and Maori versions clearly cede government of the whole country forever to the British Crown. What is left of 'sovereignty' (Kingitanga - not mentioned in the Treaty) after you carve out the activities of Government is perhaps a debatable point. @@Andrew1991taxed
@_.Marz._
7 ай бұрын
@@PeterHemmingson According to the Cambridge and Oxford definitions...MĀORI ARE CONSIDERED AS INDIGENOUS 😅 C'mon Peteyboy, I know it's a hard pill for superiority-complexes to swallow but welp...the really important question I have for you though is: "Are you paying the right amount in taxes"? I'd hate to see the books unbalanced...that could have a huge impact on my govt handouts 😇😂
@ajk4842
7 ай бұрын
@@Andrew1991taxed lol that's stupid. Try that trick with an agreement with another country like China or Russia. Two linguistically different versions of a contract need to mean the same thing.
@oldplayer8025
7 ай бұрын
If there is equality in NZ now, why does Moari student have lower passing grade requirements than other students?
@fence4861
7 ай бұрын
source? Im in school mate u have been seriously mislead.
@HelenYvetteFoster-el5mr
7 ай бұрын
Ask your self?????
@illogicalslayer9856
7 ай бұрын
That is a canard. Canard being a lie. A racist one at that.
@illogicalslayer9856
7 ай бұрын
@@haydsbeks6550 Rural students who score lower on tests than non Rural get into medical school with lower passing scores in premed. Because you need more rural doctors. Same with minority groups. They all still pass the same standards, it is a good thing that it happens for rural and minority groups to serve those communities better.
@illogicalslayer9856
7 ай бұрын
@@haydsbeks6550 I couldn't find data from NZ but Aus has a 80% rural medical student retention rate in the rural areas they come from. We can say that since they are similar to us we will have similar numbers or at least above 50% which is enough to make the program viable. For minorities in many nations there are up ticks in health outcomes if the minority group is seen by a doctor of their own group. Now to improve health outcomes by any doctor would need all doctors to become culturally competent for all groups of people within Aotearoa New Zealand which I will support alongside these programs.
@wellygeek
7 ай бұрын
Equal mana for all. Please make it so Mr Seymour! You have my support!
@geoffneal9146
7 ай бұрын
What % blood are those who identify as Maori? Aren't most of us a mix of many races/nationalities now? Do we have that data? It seems so strange how so many are willing to discard 75% of their heritage for 25%, e.g. Kelvin Davis.
@illogicalslayer9856
7 ай бұрын
Blood quantum is a racist European idea. You should look into how citizenship is actually done in Iwi or other Indigenous nations such as Cherokee.
@johnflave
7 ай бұрын
Strange? It’s a family trust. Ask the Todd family to forgo theirs.
@wolfgangweidinger4637
7 ай бұрын
@@illogicalslayer9856 The U.S. District Court in Washington, D.C., ruled that these descendants have citizenship rights in the Cherokee Nation “ In accordance with Article 9 of the 1866 Treaty, the Cherokee Freedmen have a present right to citizenship in the Cherokee Nation that is coextensive with the rights of native Cherokees.” The Cherokee Nation did not appeal the decision.
@wolfgangweidinger4637
7 ай бұрын
@@johnflave In favor to whom? Don't you think that the majority of people who settled worked extremely hard and their mortality rate was high. It was no easy feat to establish an infrastructure, settlements and social institutions. Every person today in NZ benefits from their efforts. Mind you, with those pot holes, waiting lists to get care etc. one wonders whether we go back to the "good ol days".
@kandredfpv
7 ай бұрын
David Seymour's argument has many flaws but the one obvious one is the assumption that after suffering decades of oppression and being deprived of their own resources, which others used to amass generational wealth, a people can be told, "we are all now equal" and that will be enough. 😂 This is so naive it's laughable! Equity is the only way to right those wrongs, and equality is not the same as equity.
@EricMiller-wf9lt
7 ай бұрын
So you think Maori have suffered and they are actually entitled to special privileges that's laughable your a little bitch Maori have suffered 180 years and not even alot of Thier suffering is Thier own fault they where fucking slaves by Thier own people brutally fuck your a little girl Maori even fought with the British to take land off other iwi also you little bitch you think Maori have suffered way more than Europeans the first Europeans to live with Maori known as the pakeha Maori where all slaves well alot where alot of them where enslaved by Maori alot rose to high ranks they are known as the pakeha Maori because they became fluent in Maori and wound up with tamokos Jacky marmon is a well known pakeha Maori also the treaty was signed by English and Maori you think Maori have suffered what about the Irish they have suffered from imperialism to be honest this whole narrative is weak and cowardly and low IQ no common sense if you look at things from a scientific and humanitarian point of view
@EricMiller-wf9lt
7 ай бұрын
Also you little girl Maori aren't native it's like trying to say the Vikings are native to Greenland because they discovered it and settled the land first how pathetic get real
@wolfgangweidinger4637
7 ай бұрын
You need to talk to those who got the billions in settlements.
@ajk4842
7 ай бұрын
@@PeterHemmingson yes there are some of us that have climbed out of the crab barrel. But who put us in there in the first place? British did when they took our lands, killed our people, and continue to disregard the effects of what they did to us. I agree we need education to get us out of the hole. It is up to us. But we will hold something against you for wronging us in the first place. Trauma does get carried down through generations but a single person can change their cycle. Just as benefits of wealthy families are able to carry wealth through generations unless someone decides to through it away. It doesn't change the fact that British had placed Māori in a disadvantaged position, and then just expect us to catch up to them instantly.
@ajk4842
7 ай бұрын
@@PeterHemmingson James Cowan is another British paid historian writing what his own interpretations of oral accounts. Of course British would down play the number of Māori they killed. The west still down plays their killings of people today. Māori were different in which they over stated the number of people they killed through oral history. It doesn't matter tho, the British still have a long history of killing natives where ever they went.
@Wah_wahh
7 ай бұрын
Ok so using what Seymour is saying i want to see the coalition agreement and I want to make changes to it by kicking act out. Does that mean I can?
@petertrott5107
7 ай бұрын
No, but You can be the village idiot 😂
@chrisallum9044
7 ай бұрын
Sure, just start a party, win a portion of the election and form a government. Seymour isn't one person, he is the leader elected to represent people of NZ. You, are one person.
@Wah_wahh
7 ай бұрын
@@chrisallum9044 Ok so just because 246,409 people decided to vote for that, that means that 5,006,500ish (give or take) also voted for it? That doesn't make sense.
@Wah_wahh
7 ай бұрын
@@chrisallum9044 as for the rest of the coalition, its hardly a win when it was the lowest turn out of voters in the past 3 elections alone, which means less people voted, and they still could NOT form a majority govt. That doesn't scream that a country as a whole decided this. Only the select few of course. 🤗
@Rodtang-x5z
7 ай бұрын
@WW-ne5lb Absolutely. It takes them three parties to become a government, and before they can even get off the ground they had to form a coalition agreement. That will have by default forced compromise in each parties camp. That does not mean in ANY way shape or form that NZ were all for three different parties to run this country. Luxon got in to power by the skin of his teeth which should be more than enough to show people that he did NOT have overwhelming numbers to get over the line on his own. It was hardly a landslide win by any measure.
@whateverbro9002
7 ай бұрын
Finally gets to have his say, and actually he's right.
@blusheen378
7 ай бұрын
Seymour talks very sensibly. Remember he is a Maori, Ngapuhi, so much to gain in Iwi sense. Even for his family and children, special entry standards in University (say for hard to get in course etc), special housing, special job preference for himself and his family/relatives/children. A lot of land and money payback to go to his group (probably more for himself as he powerful and a great speaker). He FORGOES all these for equal rights for all New Zealanders as we matured into a new nation now; he sees as proper human rights and proper rights of society for all. Mull over with depth, is it not a great way for the nation forward? Or should we keep protesting, bashing our head on a wall until it bleeds, flabberghast you in Te Reo and add the haka for emphasis to get the other point across. We have to sit and judge for ourselves as each individual in NZ what is truly right.
@illogicalslayer9856
7 ай бұрын
David is ethnically Māori and has Whakapapa but is not part of any Marae or has citizenship in any Iwi. He is European through and through. I will never say he is not ethnically Māori but lets not say he will be a part of Māori organisations or wants to be. He just trots out the "I am Māori" to bash on them.
@johnflave
7 ай бұрын
He went to that hard Māori school.. Auckland Grammar
@kingdavid3066
7 ай бұрын
seymour is not ngapuhi, what sort of fairy world are you living in? he just got a historic wero and shat his pants. stiop talking about this guy as if he is something
@Hup-x1y
7 ай бұрын
@@kingdavid3066😂
@Andrew1991taxed
7 ай бұрын
@@illogicalslayer9856mmm ok so you’re just a filthy racist.
@g.m.k.t7344
7 ай бұрын
I love that David Seymour is apparently a Te Reo Māori expert now and has the “correct” interpretation of Te Tiriti o Waitangi. He obviously has no cultural understanding of the meaning of the words or comprehension skills in reading, writing or speaking Te Reo Māori to understand its text in relation to the Treaty of Waitangi. His views on the both documents are heavily influenced through colonialism, western views and bias perspectives. His narrative is divisive, racist and disgusting. He’s pushing an agenda of assimilation which Māori have been fighting for a very long time. Btw, this is written in English so the people that support him can understand better. As apparently that is the only language y’all know, ka aroha ki a koutou ngā kuaretanga 😉 We can’t be equal if the playing field hasn’t been equal for over 100 years with the amount of historic and systemic racism that has happened. Māori lands were taken, Māori traditional medicinal practices banned, Māori were sent to native schools where they were beaten streamed into labouring jobs and taught to bow to white women. There are still kaumātua alive that lived through this. You can’t talk about equality if the starting line is unequal to begin with. For someone that wanted to discuss Māori issues. He clearly doesn’t want to do that with Māori or he would have gone to the Hui ā motu and Rātana.
@neilstuarr2278
7 ай бұрын
No solution in your comment , just a speil of wrongs that even whites put up with?? Offer solutions if you actually care about it
@Thewandereringanzac
7 ай бұрын
He doesn’t understand te tiriti at all. Or he does, and hates what it says because he know it gives Maori tino rangatiratanga and the government a governor an that’s it. What people forget is that we’ve been forced into a white mans system, a white mans world. And many of us haven’t thrived in it. If the shoe was on the other foot, white oriole would’ve probably feared better than we have in their system. We need to take back our power, our sovereignty and reaffirm and reassert it by creating our own parliament. That’s what they’re trying to do I heard whispers of it. It will be a govt for all people, it’ll just be our people leading the way with tangata tiriti on board the waka. We can leave thr w.h.o, the UN, and all these other bullshit organisations and become a self sustainable sovereign nation. How does that sound? 😊
@chrisnipper9163
7 ай бұрын
I don’t agree with either of you. You can keep looking back or forward. The chinese were discriminated against. I know a dutch women up north who was married to a to an iwi member up North Her Maori work mates would not talk to her. Until they found out who she was married to. I have a friend who looks chinese and was told she was not a proper maori. I think you guys need to. Get off you high horse and realise you are not the only people with historical grievances. My mother a Japanese prisoner of war has had to let it go. Her son has worked for a Japanese company for over 30 years. I would agree even in the 80s things were wrong. Maori jokes were racist. And put Maori down not perfect but a lot of progress made since then. What will you take back. You want 100s of iwi chiefs?
@LUAPIGNAR
7 ай бұрын
@@chrisnipper9163you best get back on your hoiho ehoa, the discrimination of Maori is still happening today. Read comments from this forum, its all white privilege, racist, discrimination. Get over yourselves!
@Thewandereringanzac
7 ай бұрын
@@chrisnipper9163 it’s not about historical grievances bro. It’s about what te tiriti says. And it says Maori have sovereignty over themselves. The UN and the WHO etc want to get rid of this because it flys in the face of what they’re trying to get us to do. Even look at the document he whakaputanga. It creates a sovereign nation for New Zealanders that exists alongside the authority of the king. It makes each one of us a sovereign being under God. Not that we needed that to get that, but it just reaffirms it in a Declaration of Independence. My main gripe is that this govt is illegal under te tiriti and they have sold out to global powers. I want a govt that will take care of our affairs at home first and turn us into a self sustainable sovereign nation. Both Te Tiriti and He Whakaputanga give us that opportunity.
@jasonwalker2950
7 ай бұрын
Just get rid of Treaty of Waitangi.
@Lachlan_Deans_
7 ай бұрын
exactly it isn’t 1840 no more
@RoseKatipa-e3b
6 ай бұрын
Why boy
@kimnzg8195
7 ай бұрын
"Mana and influence for all" really? Its more like Mana and influence so those bank rolling ACT
@diyguru9677
7 ай бұрын
For the foreign billionaires desperate to get ownership and control of NZ water which is currently protected by te tiriti.
@jasonpoihegatama1347
7 ай бұрын
The treaty is clear already. The treaty gives Maori rights should the Maori ask the crown to forfeit there right's
@Battleneter
7 ай бұрын
Have you actually taken the time to read it yourself, honestly I can tell you haven't. The Te Reo version is tiny, its poorly written and extremely vague, makes vague refences to land ownership but does not actually define who owns what as an simple example. Hell there is still arguments around Maori ceding sovereignty to the British Crown even though its clearly written in both versions.
@jasonpoihegatama1347
7 ай бұрын
read it your self- In Article 1, the Treaty in Māori gave Queen Victoria governance over the land. In English, it gave Queen Victoria sovereignty over the land In Article 2, the Treaty in Māori guaranteed rangatira ‘te tino rangatiratanga’- full rights of chieftainship over their lands, villages and taonga (treasured things). It also gave the Crown the right to deal with Māori in purchasing land. In the English version of the Treaty, rangatira are given ‘exclusive and undisturbed possession’ of lands, forests, fisheries and other property. The Crown was also given an exclusive right to deal with Māori in purchasing land.@@Battleneter
@Battleneter
7 ай бұрын
@@jasonpoihegatama1347 The argument is Maori did not understand what they singed, BUT then these same people argue its a legal binding live document, its ridiculous lol
@jasonpoihegatama1347
7 ай бұрын
Some Maori do make that argument it is they did not know they were going to be treated bad by the crown and become second class in there own land. However the treaty agreement is clear legal binding document @@Battleneter
@Battleneter
7 ай бұрын
@@jasonpoihegatama1347Maori have EXACTLY the same rights as me. I should add NZ has become a modern democracy, the British Crown is all but gone, entirely symbolic, its the main reason why the treaty is largely pointless here in 2024. Most Kiwis that identify as "Maori" here in 2024 also have European ancestry, makes the entire debate even more stupid. But we know its about land and $$, that's why this stupidly drags on.
@brendanlee1416
7 ай бұрын
Worrying that our Associate Minister of Justice thinks the highest court in the land is the "NZ parliament" (8:25) and that NZ is a republic (11:20). Beyond that Seymour's argumentation is muddled. Seymour cherry-picks his way along a spurious line of argument, invoking the highest principle as the deciding factor on one hand and then the most practical as the deciding factor on another. He clearly does not understand much about Universal Human Rights as these are intended to append to persons as individuals and not to human beings (5:23 ) as a species. They are distinctly related to personal and collective identity and therefore the rights of indigenous persons to maintain their identity are equal to that of non-indigenous persons to maintain their identity and vice versa. This is made very clear in the many articles of the Declaration of Human Rights and subsequent covenants and conventions. His meandering argument in which he attempts to equate the impracticality of compensating the "many people in this country who have come here landless, penniless..." (13:00) (who had or have no contractual basis for compensation) with the Crown's duties to continue to uphold the constitutionally binding agreement they made in 1840 with the signatories to the treaty is just plain silly.
@markreynolds6220
7 ай бұрын
so cant merge human rights with tribal rights....as we have seen in nz iwi elites have had all the benefits, and i dont understand the issue with crown payments being peenys on the dollar by todays market valuations as when land was confiscated nz did not have the infrastructure upgrades it does today....wuld ngati whatua be worth over a billion dollars if auckland cbd wasnt a financial hub ?
@blinka1
7 ай бұрын
@@markreynolds6220- tribal , indigenous, and treaty rights are not only not in conflict with Universal Human Rights, they are the rights that in a decent society must be upheld as they in general are the rights individuals and collectives who are most disadvantaged. Seymour is insisting on a very simple formulation of equality before the law, a kind of justice as process. However useful to neoliberal political thinkers hell bent on making all aspects of the economy, society and environment open for exploitation, process justice is likely to eliminate the important nuamces of distributive justice in the form of justicecas fairness, and in the process "scuse pun" deprive many indigenous people of their rights and the capacity to flourish.
@markreynolds6220
7 ай бұрын
indigenous ppls are not alwys disadvantaged, and there rights need to be upheld as equal citezens of a cuntry....playing favorites is a road to oppression its plain and simple u cant have one ppls above another ....free market economics has made us a 1st world capitalist nation the state cant build an economy only private enterprise. maoricorporate iwi have billions its time thy spent tht money on ther ppls @@blinka1
@userSoloAnime
7 ай бұрын
We need change here. Not only our Maori people are discriminated but the poor, even some rich. It started with only maori, but the powers at be have mastered manipulation and control over all others.
@Hup-x1y
7 ай бұрын
Davey boy playing the foul card that he's placed on all government corporations an asking for a free click
@userSoloAnime
7 ай бұрын
The bro David has had enough lol
@markreynolds6220
7 ай бұрын
hu? do u not understand u cant write a coherent comment like u wer talking to the cuzzys at the fish n chip shop....you come across like a child ...no wonder you lot have been duped for so long by iwi elite ...fools @@Hup-x1y
@davejordan267
7 ай бұрын
Change needs to start with the people themselves.
@userSoloAnime
7 ай бұрын
@@davejordan267 how many times have the people tried over the years but nothing getting done.
@ananamu2248
7 ай бұрын
Be careful New Zealanders ....be aware that stirring up can come from outside the country If one party frames the proposals then duscussion is defined by yes and no to those proposals ....if the proposals are mapped out by several participants ,then it becomes more like a negotiation with options being generated . The truckers involvement in the last covid protest made it more militant and aggressive until the creative ones took over . Please stay aware of divisive dangers .
@jasonpickens9839
7 ай бұрын
Just wait until it passes first reading and goes to the select committee then everyone can make submissions and lobby their MPs
@braydeny
6 ай бұрын
David is actually talking about being sad about the loss of his different rights and privileges
@OzymandiasFGC
7 ай бұрын
The way he slithers around straightforwardly answering questions to go back to his canned 'color blind' talking points is impressive. What's even more impressive is some people seem to un-irronaclly buy his rhetoric.
@diyguru9677
7 ай бұрын
All NZ should understand te Tiriti benefits all Tangata Tiriti (NZ citizens) and the motivation behind ACT and co's efforts to dismantle it. Te tiriti protects NZ water from foreign/private ownership or control. This is behind the we are the world BS from Seymour. It is an ugly con job by Act on behalf of their private international funders. #ToitūTeTiriti #AtlasNetwork
@glennanthony3165
7 ай бұрын
Your forgetting the Foreshore and Seabed Act changes under John Key that allow iwi overriding rights over other New Zealanders for use of our Beaches and access to them
@diyguru9677
7 ай бұрын
@@glennanthony3165 The Queens chain exists too.The thing many non Māori don't understand or value is the difference between ownership and kaitiakitanga, guardianship. This benefits all tangata tiriti.
@vanessagardner1382
7 ай бұрын
When we are talking about the same rights and duties, all I hear is that western philosophies and systems should remain dominant and be universal. Special status is recognition that as the founders of Aotearoa we decide how to shift our country forward ideologically, together. Through working in collaboration with Māori as tangata whenua we can enrich our society and shift towards equity. Redefining the treaty principles as he has stated seems like code for a 'business as usual' approach which ultimately delievers poorer outcomes for disadvantaged communities, our climate, our economy and human rights. The societal benefits of programmes that increase equity for Māori continue to benefit us all. Just one example is the revitalisation of te reo Māori and the mana and cultural knowledge that it stores, connecting people to their whakapapa and broadening our views on ourselves, philosophy and our relationship with others and the world. There are two world views that were connected through Te tiriti and we are only now, shifting towards integrating both of them in our culture. Kia kaha and lets keep moving forward towards that kaupapa 💜
@StGammon77
7 ай бұрын
Maori learnt everything from Pakeha its our Nation of British rule of Westminster everyone loves the Country we built and the peaceful society never mind the rambling racist Maori
@StGammon77
7 ай бұрын
I am Tangata whenua on my land thankyou it just means the person's on that land. You aren't tangsta whenua of anyone else's property at all youre definition is erroneous because you just don't know the meaning. This is why NZ voted your type out!
@ajk4842
7 ай бұрын
@@StGammon77tourists come to see Maori and the culture we have. They come to see the nature Māori fight to protect. They don't come to see your 3rd class version of a western society. They have better cities to see.
@rockyjones2563
7 ай бұрын
@@ajk4842what do you do to protect “the nature?” Maori are responsible for the extinction of a number of native species
@concernedNZer
7 ай бұрын
You cannot "unite" two cultures. The definition of culture is "the ideas, customs, and social behaviour of a particular people or society". By that definition two cultures can mix together but never "intertwine" as there will always be clashes. You can only live happily and peacefully side by side. Water and oil don't mix and neither do cultures. That is why part-Maori have such a difficult time with their identity - essentially at some point they come to an identity crisis - am I Maori or pakeha (scottish/english/irish etc)? Which one do I follow? Usually it is the one they had the most contact with or impact from growing up, the parent they identified most with or where they feel most welcome and comfortable. Essentially where they fit. The trouble comes when someone doesn't feel like they fit in either I guess. Can a pakeha appreciate Maori culture? YES! Does that mean they want to participate? Not necessarily. As a pakeha I really enjoy watching kapa haka, poi and waiata performances. I appreciate Te Reo Maori and think if someone wants to learn it they should. I love a hangi. Does that mean I want to DO kapa haka, SING waiata, SPEAK te reo Maori and COOK a hangi. NO. I totally love the concepts of whanau, looking after and respecting elders and caring for extended family, aroha, mana and sustainably conserving the natural world around us. These are aspects of Maori culture that I agree with and like. But there are other aspects I don't agree with or like. So to say that cultures can intertwine is a nice idea but not reality. For government, there can only be one system. For NZ that system is a Western democracy. Under that there may be other things like culture, religion, groups of various kinds and political views. But the "system" must remain. There are many other governmental systems in the world - dictatorship, communism etc. But none are as free as democracy.
@heminuiraho9990
4 ай бұрын
treaty principles bill to interpret the Maori text of the treaty, with no Maori included in helping to draft it...seems legit. Like designs for a nuclear bomb designed by a pastry chef!
@StGammon77
3 ай бұрын
As David pointed out Maori are the ones who have been changing the Treaty and sdding/deleting mis interpreting for 40 years without a fkn opinion from NZdrs! What's wrong with you can't you see what they have done and the hellish result?!
@123owly
7 ай бұрын
I like that Jack tries to pose questions to make politicians uncomfortable, but the whole "it was a contract between two distinct parties" approach is just weak. I can have a contract with my employer that says that my rate is 5 nzd per hour and I have to work 24/7 - it doesn't mean that this contract will be legitimate - because we have laws that are above contracts. Current government can renegotiate the principles because the government is not the crown, but the descendants of both parties who signed the treaty. The new principles effectively make the treaty irrelevant and erase singling out the native population from the other groups in any shape and form. If ACT have their way, the Maori will effectively become just another ethnic group that lives in NZ - no different from, say, Thai or Irish. The only question that everyone should ask themselves when they consider their position on this, is whether they support the fact that native population should have any kind of special status or not.
@illogicalslayer9856
7 ай бұрын
Treaties are by definition contracts between states. The treaty was not illegal at time of signing so your "contract was invalid because the terms are not legal now" is basically saying I will tear up the treaty. Once the treaty goes Māori will fight for their stolen land in any way they see fit. Not just getting back a fraction of what they are owed as now in the settlements process. Māori if the treaty was followed would probably not need to have more resources allocated for them because our legal systems and governance styles would be intertwined by now. The genocide they suffered by the Crown would not have happened so they would likely have a population that is more equal to 50% of the country. If they have special rights (they don't) or get more resources or opportunities it is only because of the abuse suffered for 184 years that was put off for so long. Your lines of argument make no sense.
@StGammon77
7 ай бұрын
It was between Chiefs and Governors and noone can take their place they're dead! All we have is their pre and post Treaty Conferences at Kohimarama for all to read. The mess we have now is due to Maori breaching the Treaty and dishonouring the Chiefs by mis quoting or not quotingvthem at all! Everyone needs to read the Kohimarama Conference records
@illogicalslayer9856
7 ай бұрын
@@StGammon77 Europeans breached it worse than Māori ever did or could you numbskull.
@teawaruaedwards274
7 ай бұрын
Ngamihi bro.@@illogicalslayer9856
@illogicalslayer9856
7 ай бұрын
@@teawaruaedwards274 Hey brother thanks for the back up. If you read the history without any bias it is hard not to come to my position. So if anyone brings that "Māori arguments that ignore reality" I tell them to read any non Hobsons pledge members argument who studies this stuff. They usually take this line of Te Tiriti is not a cessation of sovereignty and that this country would be a better place if the agreement was upheld.
@gwynjohn7780
7 ай бұрын
But instead of doing 'education, housing etc' he's spending money on this bill and on stopping people using te reo
@moronicdooshbaggery756
7 ай бұрын
No one's stopping te reo. It's a choice and every nzer can learn it freely like any language
@StGammon77
7 ай бұрын
The language is borrowed we don't fkn need it!
@StGammon77
7 ай бұрын
Rubbish
@paulrobertson1997
7 ай бұрын
One of the things I like about David Seymour is that he makes perfect sense when her answers questions. By contrast, look at what Natalie Coates said in her interview - just a load of emotional meaningless dribble at best. She was not able to leave viewers any the wiser about anything. How can Maori expect to move forward in some positive way when they are not able to articulate any coherent sense?
@reubenflavell1494
7 ай бұрын
perfect sense… did you see the reporter have to re address his question?
@veragreen9725
3 ай бұрын
The equality argument is misleading... The fairer system is one of equity... There are indigenous people in New Zealand... And there are descendants of intruding colonialists... They are two different cultures and you cannot treat them the same to achieve their respective happy place... This man is exploiting the concept of equality to make it sound like fair treatment... Here is an example where when you have two different groups you cannot lump them together as one group under which every member of that group must be treated the same in order for equality to be applied... Maori culturally live in extended groups of whanau... Pakeha, on the other hand, live happily in small nuclear groupings... If you are to attribute equal shares of land area for the construction of their houses you would likely meet the need of the Pakeha but not of the Maori who need a larger plot of land to build their larger whare to accommodate their larger whanau... this is where equity trumps equality and more fairly ensures that both groups find their happy place... This man, Seymour, is utterly misguided… even clueless... he is a disaster for this country...
@1976funkster
7 ай бұрын
So refreshing to see the comments that seem so different to main stream media narrative... Go David!!
@Alex.t314
7 ай бұрын
So you don't agree with the ToW? And believe Mōari greatly benefited from "special" treatment?
@1976funkster
7 ай бұрын
@@Alex.t314 And what does the treaty say??..Same thing as David
@Alex.t314
7 ай бұрын
@1976funkster What do you think the treaty principles mean?
@pspaulstewartinterviewinspires
2 ай бұрын
The two distinct parties that made an agreement, no longer exist. It’s New Zealand now. There are different cultures within a nation, but law and rights are equal to all. What people decide to do with that, is there choice. I think NZ has done well over the years, and in the spirit of cooperation and the good of the nation, we will continue to evolve and flourish. Some might be a little more, all about their group only.
@YoCalmYaFarm
7 ай бұрын
This gives context and validation as to why Māori have stood against this bill. Equality sounds good but when you’ve had 184+ years of discrimination and systemic racism, it just hasn’t happened and this is with the current Treaty principles. You see the so called ‘Gravy train’ people talk about amounts to pittance in comparison to the land and resources lost. Equal to Māori could look like everyone learning and understanding the Māori culture and language alongside English.
@chriswhata
7 ай бұрын
theres only one gravy train and thats the pakeha gravy train. pakeha are squatting on stolen land.
@marsspacex6065
7 ай бұрын
The solution to discrimination is equality not more discrimination.
@Razzo945
7 ай бұрын
Pakeha, you seem to forget a few basics. You also have Pakeha ancestry, also your great great great grandfather may be one of those that took the land you speak of, many kiwis came after those times, you also forget that Pakeha brought to the then Māori who were still in the Stone Age, the wheel, iron tools, justice, currency, education, stopped cannibalism and slavery. Also if you look back at your European history you also might find that your great great grandfather was also leaving the oppression of England. Do some research and look on the bright side of life, you have the same self determination as everyone else, your choice to live in the past or make a go of the future
@ISavant
7 ай бұрын
@@marsspacex6065 cool so we should get started on the equality and not, as act want to do, discriminate against maori MORE
@marsspacex6065
7 ай бұрын
And your maori ancestors were cannibals, slavers and wiped out entire tribes including their children and raped and enslaved the woman and raped them, but i do not think you have anything or blame you for that. Because there is no such thing as inherited guilt.
@StGammon77
7 ай бұрын
Everyone already knows what the treaty did its being complicated unnecessarily
@rosspreston8361
7 ай бұрын
Its interesting that the written Maori language in 1840 was in its infancy. History says Hongi Hika instigated the written Maori language on a visit to England. He died in 1828, only 12 years before the treaty was signed. I would suggest that the Maori was not very advanced at the time of signing and the amount of interpretation that has gone on since is merely opportunistic
@rihipaeahughes9831
4 ай бұрын
Idiot just because they were orators doesn't make them as stupid as they were when they were missionary literate, learn the reo of your conquer idiot
@solomonmatthews8775
7 ай бұрын
In 1835 Maori were declared a sovereign nation under He Whakaputanga which was recognized by another sovereign nation the United Kingdom. Maori as the sovereigns of Aotearoa entered into a partnership with the British Crown via the signing of Te Tiriti o Waitangi in 1840 bringing about a new beginning for both Maori, the Crown and Non-Maori (British Subjects) currently living in Aotearoa at that time. This is the distinction between Maori and Non-Maori living in NZ. Non-Maori citizens living in New Zealand are not Treaty Partners, they are beneficiaries of the Te Tiriti because their Sovereign formed a relationship with Maori. This is facts but it does not mean that Maori are not inclusive, this does not mean that Maori want apartheid between Maori, the Crown and Non-Maori residents and citizens living in Aotearoa/New Zealand both past and present. So to look at Maori in the same light as you would a Non-Maori citizen is incorrect. The correct way of looking at things and the structure of New Zealand is and should be the following... There are two authorities and two powers in Aotearoa / New Zealand... 1. Maori Under Maori you have all Maori descendants who are beneficiaries of He Whakaputanga and Te Tiriti o Waitangi and Non-Maori descendants who reside here in Aotearoa under Maori Sovereignty who have come into Aotearoa through Maori. This does not apply to Non-Maori residents who have come into Aotearoa by way of the Crown. The reason why this is not visibly seen is because Maori are yet to establish a Whare o Nga Rangatiratanga o Aotearoa (Maori Parliament) and suffered colonization and assimilation by the Crown representatives for the last 184 years and continuing. 2. The Crown Under the crown you have British subjects and Non-British subjects which includes all Non-Maori and Non-British citizens that resides in New Zealand who have come into New Zealand by way of the Crown. The Governing stewards of the Crown have spent the last 184 years strengthening their hold of the country by way of deceit, fearmongering and establishing a narrative that Maori are ugly, despicable, criminals, violent, thieves, supporters of apartheid, lack the capability of governing and managing affairs and that Maori just wants to take from everyone for their own self benefit.
@StGammon77
7 ай бұрын
No, the Independence was from warring tribes done together with the missionaries they adopted the CMS flag of St George's flag. Those Northerners mostly became Christians and that is the separation under God!
@StGammon77
7 ай бұрын
That's what maori are like tho, don't mirror onto us the former Chiefs told it like it was in the 1860 Kohimarama Conference records read them!
@HaapaiTeUrioHau
7 ай бұрын
As a NZFirst voter well done Act Party.
@DevonR564
7 ай бұрын
What happens if this goes to referendum and gets a yes vote? will there then be violence?
@MediVacPack
7 ай бұрын
Most definitely, Ive got a baseball bat that says so. 🤍🖤♥️
@anthonymorgan6255
7 ай бұрын
@@MediVacPackgrow up
@LUAPIGNAR
7 ай бұрын
Wont be any referendum, tell Ol' mate MediVacPack he won't need his baseball bat..the referendum was struck out on a sucker ball.
@StGammon77
7 ай бұрын
Yes for what? There's no posing question yet
@MediVacPack
7 ай бұрын
Don't get yah knickers in a twist Alfred, it's a joke. Rather unsettling joke but still a joke. But I would like to say, if it dose pass can we call NewZealand "Mixed Lollies"? Cause you know... that signifies NewZealand is for everybody of every country because we don't want a unique identity specially not tho meoowriēs we want our country for everyone on the planet aye guys 🙆🏽
@chrisroger4416
7 ай бұрын
when i applied for a job in govt in te reo maori i got interviews when in english no response. maori are promoted and given jobs just for their race
@illogicalslayer9856
7 ай бұрын
Europeans get given jobs over Māori and Asians in this country for 160 years. I don't care even if this is true because to right an unjust society maybe a few people will be passed over for jobs in favour of a marginalised group for a bit. It'll even out soon.
@teawaruaedwards274
7 ай бұрын
You could have articulated your problem a bit better....but which dept was that and what Maori interviewed you for the job that turned you down?? Did they INFORM YOU PERSONALLY that you didn't get the job because your WHITE or because they knew you were a WHINGER who got hurt cause the Maris wouldn't let you play. Complain to FB but not the Dept. Your kumara is a bit to straight to believe.
@raywheeler3135
7 ай бұрын
Ah that explains why most high paying jobs are given to white males. Oh wait.....
@g.m.k.t7344
7 ай бұрын
Using a protected language isn’t a race thing. You can be any race and learn Te reo lol
@arenuzzle6282
7 ай бұрын
Maybe they wanted to diverse the office because every spoke english
@georgeminty6218
7 ай бұрын
Nobody is asking THE QUESTION ." WHY did Maori want to sign a treaty in the first place ? Impress me.
@StGammon77
7 ай бұрын
It was a baptism into new Mana and tikanga Christianity total change of lifestyle
@mattheweden-pc5pk
7 ай бұрын
The principals should have been put to the people of Nz and we should have voted on them it a general election, that’s how a democracy works
@markturner2971
7 ай бұрын
Maori ceded sovereignty, the crown was given absolute authority. You ignore the writings of your own past leaders, and have woven a new history into New Zealand 🇳🇿 that is not true. Treaty breaches? What about the 1000 complaints laid against maoris ripping of settlers in the NSW court, that the Waitangi tribunal don't want a bar of. Biased, equals not fit for purpose.
@ajk4842
7 ай бұрын
I think as Maori, we are Tangata Whenua, people first to populate this land. I think we see it as our House, the Europeans busted into our house and set up shop in our house and started causing problems. We were like "fine, if you wish to be here, these are the rules and agreement, sign the treaty, and we live in partnership in this land". Europeans ended up killing us reducing our population, confiscating land, Europeans have then invited more of their other European family, and friends from all other parts of the world, now we are outnumbered in our own house. Now they have power to out vote us on policy that affect us in our own house? How would you feel if someone came into your house and out powered you in your own house when you were trying to live along side each other?
@StGammon77
7 ай бұрын
I am Tangata whenua on my property thankyou miss snob!
@ajk4842
7 ай бұрын
@@StGammon77 Congratulations to you. I'm Male by the way. My pronouns are "StGammon77's Dad" hahaha
@racingescorts6976
7 ай бұрын
Read some true history and educate yourself .Thats how Maori operated prior to 1840. Commiting genocide of other tribes. The stronger tribes taking what they wanted, whenever they wanted. The treaty with Crown sort protection for Maori from the marauding tribes. Maori killed more Maori than any colonial army ever did thats fact. Seems to be know appreciation for the advancement of this country built by colonial and Maori side by side since 1840. Maori had already wiped out all Moa and were struggling to find enough food to be sustainable. Colonials introduced domestic and wild animals for food forveveryone. this was a good colonial thing. There were more positive than negative outcomes.
@ajk4842
7 ай бұрын
@@racingescorts6976 no one is arguing maori killed more maori than colonial forces did. Most of us are grateful for Europeans taking us out of cannibalism and tribal warfare, into the modern area. We understand that. We may have taken out the moa, but Europeans have taken out other species and some are almost gone today. It's only later we realise the mistakes of humans. What we don't like, is even after signing the treaty that was meant for "protection" of supposedly all NZers, British still favoured the European settlers stealing land from Māori. They did it sneakily by enticing one willing or drunken single Maori, to sell land of 100s of people. Māori living and occupying that land had their homes ripped from under their feet. After peaceful protests, they were seen as rebels and then Brittish forces came and pushed them off. Brittish knew the strength of the Maori communal living needed to be separated and individualised into a single title to obtain land for settlers.
@StGammon77
7 ай бұрын
I am tangata whenua on my land thankyou biarch
@Aint_Got_The_Answers_Sway
7 ай бұрын
First time ive seen Jack stumped 😂
@Jerry_Dungarees_son
7 ай бұрын
I suggest you watch @ 9:00 again. Seymour walked straight into that one, lol.
@Dave183
7 ай бұрын
They should have had a vote, from the population, in 1840, regarding the treaty, not in 2024
@StGammon77
7 ай бұрын
Treaty was a vote
@randybryanpanopio2417
7 ай бұрын
The host is wrong in saying 194 years. It’s just 184 years.
@moronicdooshbaggery756
7 ай бұрын
Treaty was the vote
@dallynstevens7855
7 ай бұрын
They did and it ended in war cause the Brits didn't care. Maori brought their greviences to the crown and the crown just turned a blind eye
@kevin5073
7 ай бұрын
80,000 Maori v 2,000 Europeans. How do you think that would have gone then?
@Fan-qk6yy
7 ай бұрын
The Treaty protect indigenous from some1 like Seymour
@thurston905
7 ай бұрын
Never happy. After another 50 years, they will want it revised again, and again, and again...
@danj9339
7 ай бұрын
Good man David. Spot on!
@tonygee3284
2 ай бұрын
Dismantle the Treaty
@KINNZ94
7 ай бұрын
Honestly, aren’t the three items in the Bill what a modern Democratic nation should be like anyway? What is there to disagree?
@illogicalslayer9856
7 ай бұрын
Because they are trying to rewrite the founding document after their own courts told them they were wrong. If you want might makes right politics then lets go there.
@realistically-r7g
7 ай бұрын
Maori never owned this land,they were immigrants,just like us,what about the first peoples that were here,the Waitaha, KZitem … skeletons in the closet , no interviewer or iwi ever goes there, they were murdered,made slaves of,raped and eaten by Maori, what ! Your demanding respect ! You’ve had more opportunities than most that I’ve ever seen in any country of the world,can’t wait for our referendum.
@tanepukenga1421
4 ай бұрын
It's hillarious you hold the guy up who lied about his qualifications, going to oxford AND was caught red handed stealing recent Maori corpses to put in his "productions" as a source of truth. It just shows how gulible you and 6 other people are, and how you never learned to fact check your sources in primary school
@richsmith3300
2 ай бұрын
Tlhe Alians were here first and they told the pakeha to go bck to England.
@MegaCoolguy1234
24 күн бұрын
Your are super stupid
@MegaCoolguy1234
24 күн бұрын
You ate reffing to a KZitem video as evidence you thick idiot. Get off the glass barbaque and talk to human beings
@eatsmokedrink
7 ай бұрын
NZ will NEVER move forward as a country until maori are treated like everyone else. In fact, maori will never do better - and they are not, until they decide they are like everyone else. Trying to get special rights will condemn them to other native populations to oblivion forever aggrieved and not prosperous. This is the paradox that is perpetual voluntary victimhood. if you look at successful maori - who did not rely on special rights, they are not the ones whining. NZ would be so great if everyone forged ahead as one. But the likes of Hone and the protestors are are all just perpeetual 'victims'
@AholeAtheist
7 ай бұрын
Umm, part of them getting treated like others necessarily involves them getting some special treatment to improve the outcomes they are suffering. They're victims because they're actually victims. You need a better education.
@eatsmokedrink
7 ай бұрын
Yes, 'victims' sure, everyone is a victim at some point. how many years of affirmative action and special rights do you need? hwo much does the country suffer with affirmative action on medical school - and many not passing and shortage of doctors? in NZ we have beyond equality of opportunity now for this group - in fact the pendulum has swung so wide, maori get free stuff all the time. Maori will not do better if they are treated this way. entitlement, waste of taxpayer funds and opportunity. Educate yourself. No nation that panders to extreme affirmative acction actually unites and that group does well. Fact. Affirmative action destroys respect and aspiration. Fact@@AholeAtheist
@tanepukenga1421
4 ай бұрын
Then why did you oppose us getting equal health treatment under te whatu ora?
@eatsmokedrink
4 ай бұрын
@@tanepukenga1421 there is nothing stopping anyone getting treatment at hospitals or Drs. Race based considerations are stupid. No Dr turns down a patient for race... You just gotta show up to your appts. Should be need based not social justice based.
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