Destiny debates a conservative ( www.twitch.tv/bxbullettv ) who is a scientist, works in big pharma and is an FDA expert.
@didllynutz
3 жыл бұрын
First :)
@Thagliou
3 жыл бұрын
AMAZIN
@craiggoldberg1539
3 жыл бұрын
Should read "who is an actual scientist"
@RanEncounter
3 жыл бұрын
Please editor fact check her credentials and update them!
@kungfujoe2136
3 жыл бұрын
absence of evidence is not evidence of absence
@Marqrk
3 жыл бұрын
I love this new arc of Destiny actually reading the sources live on stream when the person presents them, there’s something super cathartic about watching the other person get called out in real time and have to walk it back
@ballsshooterarchives8900
3 жыл бұрын
i wish there was more content where 2 opposing views go through and break down an article or research paper to see where the difference lies in interpreting either
@p.chuckmoralesesquire3965
3 жыл бұрын
according to her doing things like making people feel uncomfortable for a few minutes to get a vax is bad but forcing people to go to endure a crappy job for 40+ hours a week for the past 50+ years, that's not anything we need to address LOL
@cowyeti21
3 жыл бұрын
It’s like watching your parents read your report card
@Crispman_777
3 жыл бұрын
@@ballsshooterarchives8900 That's easy when one person is being disingenuous or is just wrong but if you actually had two experts dissecting cutting edge controversial topics it'd either take hours or there'd be no conversation whatsoever as they'd both admit that there's just not enough evidence to make any real conclusion.
@voidshadow
3 жыл бұрын
@@Crispman_777 And thats still constructive and beneficial as it openly tells people the science is still out or undecided of a specific study or piece of evidence, which should (you would hope) prevent people from citing that resource as an absolute fact or legitimized evidence
@hunteravallone
3 жыл бұрын
For a "scientist" she sure invokes a ton of anecdotes...
@p.chuckmoralesesquire3965
3 жыл бұрын
She does a good job not appearing like a moron while signal boosting for every moronic narrative out there. You know the data isn't perfect but to her it's really bad LOL
@DrJasonTorn
3 жыл бұрын
The fact that she confused immune response with side effects shows she isn’t an ‘actual scientist’. My bet is - she has a bachelors degree - and doesn’t work in a research area for her firm. Any legit scientist would stipulate her training, her institution of training, her research area.
@Uncleshirly22
3 жыл бұрын
Scientific journals cannot use anecdotal experience in any way… guess dream studies are out and anything before the invention of film is useless too
@BeachVolleyB
3 жыл бұрын
@BXBulletTV don’t pay attention to these idiots. They are the same people that would call black people who didn’t vote for Biden “black”.
@KilimnikGenya
3 жыл бұрын
@@BeachVolleyB : Imagine being racist just to kiss someone’s ass who was obviously at best under prepared at worst knowingly spreading misinformation. Soy boy.
@Maxarcc
3 жыл бұрын
Bless the editor that put the Annihilation music underneath the intro LOL. That indeed was some dark stuff homey.
@nulltheory2560
3 жыл бұрын
Do you know the name of that specific piece?
@dreadfulshrew3985
3 жыл бұрын
@@nulltheory2560 Annihilation OST - The Alien. The section from the intro starts at 4:36
@courtneyvaldez7903
3 жыл бұрын
Fuckin hilarious. I thought I had it playing in another tab or something, but it fits so perfectly. And what a great score.
@Maxarcc
3 жыл бұрын
@@nulltheory2560 Ben Salisbury & Geoff Barrow - The Alien. Truly a fantastic piece.
@lilsnugglymane8910
3 жыл бұрын
1:05:48 the shotgun sound effect
@egalart
3 жыл бұрын
She's really tryin to walk that line of "It's not my argument" while literally arguing it
@anonymous7820
3 жыл бұрын
To be clear, I think she was trying to put forward the best arguments for these views, even if she doesn't agree with all of it. Nothing wrong with that as long as you clarify. Although I get why people think it's weasily. Oh annnd it's one of my favorite things to do LOL.
@MrMarfsthotarmy
3 жыл бұрын
@@Big-Papa-Smurf true asf
@slimymcbrazy7691
3 жыл бұрын
@@Big-Papa-Smurf this is a quote for centuries.
@isaac8706
3 жыл бұрын
@@Big-Papa-Smurf why are you talking like destiny?
@BradJohannsen
3 жыл бұрын
First 20 seconds: "I do currently work for one if the largest pharmaceutical companies in the world." 5 mins later: "I don't actually work for a pharmaceutical company, I just supply materials..." What...?
@jayreddy6038
3 жыл бұрын
nah she said she works for a diff dept now, probs same company i guess?
@chembabe8264
3 жыл бұрын
Then she worked for a small pharma company 🙄 lmfao
@chegorilla1468
3 жыл бұрын
Yes, I'm a doctor scientist ninja pilot commando racecar driver lawyer. I'd like to debate Destiny, also I am none of those things.
@chegorilla1468
3 жыл бұрын
@@chembabe8264 went from Pfizer to Old Man Jenkins Local Pharmacy within minutes.
@peter-lq7jo
3 жыл бұрын
she still works 'for' the big pharma; now its just a different branch where she just supplies materials 'for' that big pharma. Yall making way to big a deal from the first sentence rofl
@polosaquarium691
3 жыл бұрын
You know, I’m something of a scientist myself…
@the_inquisitive_inquisitor
3 жыл бұрын
I'm taking a chemistry class at community college right now. I Mr Science Man now!
@thlkmura
3 жыл бұрын
Your parents must be very proud
@isaiahsleepyperez6233
3 жыл бұрын
Me when I burn the toast to a black char
@rbkskillz
3 жыл бұрын
She's also working three jobs. Lmao wtf? They don't pay that well at big pharma huh?
@R0B1NG5
3 жыл бұрын
Destiny somehow always manages to find living memes to debate.
@Brizioss
3 жыл бұрын
Protip: If someone starts a Convo claiming they're a scientist without telling where they graduated from and what their specific position is they're lying
@abirch2014
3 жыл бұрын
Already knew she was sketch once she started off with that.
@twintalk2943
3 жыл бұрын
Yup. Classic.
@spacetoast7783
3 жыл бұрын
@alright she probably works in procurement or facilities lol
@Xiiimus
3 жыл бұрын
I also found It abit funny, that she dosnt list any of those qualifications in her bio, its abunch of other things but nothing about being a scientist.. and if we consider her age age and her other jobs, she has worked max 1year as maybe a lab assistent
@TasTheWatcher
3 жыл бұрын
Like the pterodactyl guy John Morris Pendleton whose qualifications are that he once worked in a factory that had a lab in it
@ActuallyJozu
3 жыл бұрын
I like how she laughs about some women having really horrible period cramps and needing to call out of work, but uses "it makes your arm feel ouchie and you might get tired for a day or two" as a reason to not get vaccinated
@11zoomzoom11
3 жыл бұрын
I think you're being a little blithe about vaccine side effects. I agree that menstrual cramps are a real problem, and that a vaccine mandate is probably worth it, but why be so dismissive of vaccine side effects just because you didn't experience any?
@sharinettegonzalez23
3 жыл бұрын
@@11zoomzoom11 he never said he didn’t experience any, he just said it’s weird to laugh at the women who have horrible periods. I felt like shit after getting both doses of the moderna vaccine, and I 100% agree that people should have the right to stay home for a couple of days if they have vaccine side effects, but women are often dismissed for having period cramps and let me tell you, I much rather have vaccine side effects than period cramps. My period cramps literally felt like my insides were shifting and burning, and on top of that, you get other kinds of shit like diarrhea, back pain, cravings, mood swings, etc.
@11zoomzoom11
3 жыл бұрын
@@sharinettegonzalez23 Yeah, I agree that it's pretty shitty and unempathetic to be dismissive of period cramps.
@charlesstephens6359
3 жыл бұрын
Yeah but she is a woman and her periods aren’t that bad. On the other hand, she hasn’t been vaccinated, so those side effects are empirically unknown. Remember, this woman’s arguments’ are almost all anecdotal.
@nightlydrugs6927
3 жыл бұрын
@@11zoomzoom11 Yes Samuel is being a little blithe about the vaccine side effects, but not much. She was entirely discounting that some women have to call off work on their periods, just because she never had to. That’s stupid.
@mikasasukasa4479
3 жыл бұрын
i feel like a scientist wouldn't say "i'm an actual scientist" they'd give their credentials with details instead of the vague statements she has given. something seems off
@spycemyster
3 жыл бұрын
I think it might because these types of people try to play rhetorically towards a generally scientifically-illiterate audience.
@ksilva2848
3 жыл бұрын
Something seems a little sussy
@RenaudRwemalika
3 жыл бұрын
Although her argumentation was sound and way more nuanced than destiny's. Furthermore, she has way way better understanding of virology and research in virology in general. So although I don't agree with her political stands I would side on her side on the science one.
@aono335
2 жыл бұрын
@@RenaudRwemalika lol her arguments were awful. Those are arguments anyone can make with a week of Google and research. Cmon how gullible are you?
@tianamaycry
2 жыл бұрын
Obviously she's not a scientist. Where is her lab coat?
@RedAnimal100
3 жыл бұрын
“I will not speak for them” haven’t u been doing that the whole debate??
@spycemyster
3 жыл бұрын
@catdogbark No, she's been trying to rationalize anti-vaxxers by making arguments for why you wouldn't want to take the vaccine. But when Destiny pushes back on them, it feels like when she realized she couldn't defend her point anymore, she tries to weasel out of it by saying "I'm not making the argument, it's just what I think people would be hesitant about". But then when Destiny would push back again to why even then it's still not enough to justify it, she would just weasel out again with "I'm not trying to speak for them".
@stupafly06
3 жыл бұрын
I work for one of the biggest pharmaceutical companies, so I am an actual scientist. Huh what kind of logic is that? Are the HR people scientists too?
@e3n701
3 жыл бұрын
I mean she did say she allegedly has 6 yrs of experience
@morphkogan8627
3 жыл бұрын
@@e3n701 6 years experience in HR?
@e3n701
3 жыл бұрын
@@morphkogan8627 no drug development which even a med student can do but 6 yrs in dd is just 😐
@takeshikovach5165
3 жыл бұрын
@@e3n701 she didn't work in drug development, she worked in approval of drugs in markets and getting it approved by fda. She worked in legal and documentation department, not as a scientists who develop drug. Plus if you search her up, she doesn't have qualifications to begin with.
@e3n701
3 жыл бұрын
@@takeshikovach5165 ahh thx and btw what does working in a big company do besides making u worthless the bigger the company is the more replaceable u are
@gremory4874
3 жыл бұрын
Scientist lady: brings up reasons why someone wouldn’t get the vaccine Destiny: those are really bad reasons and here’s why Scientist lady: yes I agree but those aren’t my arguments that’s what other people think. Why bring them up then?
@BigJohnson911
3 жыл бұрын
Because she is concern trolling. She is a textbook example of a grifter.
@wwlittlejOfficial
3 жыл бұрын
@@BigJohnson911 She's sooo fucking disingenuous. If her name was Kathy and she told me, I wouldn't believe her. Even at the beginning of the conversation, when she said she worked for big pharma so we KNOW she was a scientist. Like nobody says I work for Nasa so u know I'm an astronaut.
@davecunningham579
3 жыл бұрын
ik right? I'm shocked she didn't decide to wear a white labcoat.
@SuperNeilAdams
3 жыл бұрын
I had to stop watching because it was so infuriating listening to every disingenuous 'but people are genuinely scared' as though that holds as much weight as scientific research and medical advice from doctors.
@Everlarklullaby
3 жыл бұрын
you're clearly missing the point. just because destiny thinks its a bad excuse not to get vaccinated doesn't mean that suddenly everyone who maintains that reason for not getting it is like "oh shit yeah you're right it is a bad reason huh! time to get vax". maybe some people might be convinced, but it might just be easier and more effective to offer a solution to peoples reasons for not getting vaccinated than just trying to argue them out of it or just mandate it and ignore their concerns. literally even offering a cash incentive for vaccination or a couple days paid leave *is the solution* to their reason to get vaccinated and i'm sure many people would take it. i don't live in the US but yeah its pretty nuts that everyone here can't see that this is her argument, she's saying that solving the problems of the vaccine hesitant is a better method than mandates. i'm not saying i agree with her, not too sure where i stand honestly but i definitely am 100% for paid vaccine leave, people who aren't are very priviledged and its pretty disgusting that destiny doesn't understand that. childcare and spare money don't just spring out of nowhere for many people.
@Theonebeliever
3 жыл бұрын
Hello, I worked with pfzier on the accounting department for 8 years, I can totally answer any medical questions anyone has about any pfizer medicine with 100% accuracy.
@crimsonair8890
3 жыл бұрын
Same here! I’ve been a janitor for Pfizer for 5 years. I’m somewhat of a scientist myself.
@embritton4814
3 жыл бұрын
@@crimsonair8890 Nice! I actually saw a Pfizer ad once. I know, I’m kind of an expert.
@ewajohansson5337
3 жыл бұрын
@@embritton4814 Nice! I read Pfizer and I'm now an expert on mRNA technologies. I'm making my own cancer vaccine, you take two shots, eight weeks apart and you're 100% cured.
@Prometheus4096
8 ай бұрын
She doesn't even do accounting. She did something like logistics for a subcontractor. She might have been buying toilet paper for a bunch of companies in a certain business plot. Maybe she even was inside the Pfizer building once.
@Murbz
3 жыл бұрын
I can't believe she was comparing an 80% chance to be fatigued for one day to covid's chance to give you fatigue for weeks, put you on a ventilator, give you long term side effects or kill you. If you believe this, you're also probably putting all of your money in the casinos instead of investing.
@inteallsviktigt
3 жыл бұрын
You missed the entire point. This is how people argue and it’s dumb. We need to incentivize people to take them with the carrots instead of the stick
@AnorexicPandas
3 жыл бұрын
If you’re a young and healthy person at a normal job in America, you’re basically guaranteeing one or two days of illness from side effects to avoid the very low chance that you will be missing a week or two of work with a bad flu. I would take the chance rather than the guaranteed inconvenience 10/10 times
@StinkyRatMan29
3 жыл бұрын
@@AnorexicPandas inb4 you permanently lose your sense of smell
@inteallsviktigt
3 жыл бұрын
@@AnorexicPandas the problem is you can’t choose to work. Any symptoms and you are forced to stay home
@bananian
3 жыл бұрын
It's not even guaranteed you'll get side effects.
@meselmdor1
3 жыл бұрын
Uhh...I think the OPPOSITE was true - many jobs offered time off as an incentive to get vaxxed - mine did. My job also was clear that if you were unvaxxed and got covid you stayed home on your own leave - because the vaccine was fully available and you chose not to get it.
@IAmGarby
3 жыл бұрын
But the vaccine doesn't prevent you from getting covid, nor does it prevent the spread of covid so I'm curious as to why this line of thinking exists?
@godwinwong2809
3 жыл бұрын
Destiny: Provides sound logic 'Actual' Scientist: "I take issue with this"
@Ryfinius
3 жыл бұрын
Kid: posts stupid meme Mom: I should have aborted.
@godwinwong2809
3 жыл бұрын
@@dookieshoe2905 Which was the reasonable argument?
@torrb420
3 жыл бұрын
She isn't a scientist more than likely. Another conservative grifter with brainworms hoping to play their best eugenics play card. While failing to realize they are killing off their voter base.
@jaybayer3670
3 жыл бұрын
It's insane how all it takes to debunk these kinds of people is just literally READING THEIR OWN SOURCES. jesus
@Manolara1
3 жыл бұрын
This is the result of ease of access to platforms and big money funding these idiotic grifters, pushing misinformation, with no watchdog to shut them the f up.
@thatindiandude4602
3 жыл бұрын
Well, they didn't want to get into the nitty gritty of it.
@Ryfinius
3 жыл бұрын
These kinds of people? That sounds like some racist mentality.
@Ryfinius
3 жыл бұрын
@@keynight7513 your parents must be proud.
@HamburgerHat1
3 жыл бұрын
@@Ryfinius huh????
@aaronsmith-q8v
3 жыл бұрын
Her (establishing authority): I am an actual "scientist" who works with "big pharma" and deal with the "FDA" stuff. Also Her: I am a single mom with 3 kids and 4 jobs.
@dathunderman4
2 жыл бұрын
She’s a “scientist” as much as Leonardo DiCaprio was a lawyer and doctor in Catch Me if You Can
@jddubisek9263
3 жыл бұрын
"There is this article that supports what I am saying" "Sure, link it and let's go through it" "Well... actually... I didn't read it, you see... I am basing this on multiple things..." Personally, I would've just lost it after that exchange and proceeded to meme the "opponent" for the rest of the debate.
@Ryfinius
3 жыл бұрын
Yeah, I'd expect that from a toddler.
@navi7919
3 жыл бұрын
@@Ryfinius wtf, that toddler is a genius if they can do that
@Ryfinius
3 жыл бұрын
@@navi7919 you never heard a toddler say "I know you are but what am I"?
@Sprite_525
3 жыл бұрын
@@thingusbingus1268 you’re missing the point - if she’s pointing to things she hasn’t read, she loses the right to point to things later. It’s not about destroying her whole argument, just her right to point to things she’s ‘read’
@TheHeroicNinja
3 жыл бұрын
@@Sprite_525 Which again wasn't ready for. You just reiterated
@Zenbon111
3 жыл бұрын
Destiny used 17.8% of his power on this "actual scientist".
@MMAGamblingTips
3 жыл бұрын
1:07:30 she uses the word “theory“ colloquially. The synonym for a “possibility”. In science a theory is the most graduated form of a testing that is generally excepted by science based on peer reviewed studies.
@Ryfinius
3 жыл бұрын
Ok
@MMAGamblingTips
3 жыл бұрын
@@Ryfinius ok, this is like anyone who works in the science fields biggest pet peeve. One that is broken in university.
@Ryfinius
3 жыл бұрын
@@MMAGamblingTips you mean like how people can't use "literally" correctly?
@MMAGamblingTips
3 жыл бұрын
@@Ryfinius That is more of using incorrect language or hyperbole at best. It’s annoying yes. But the word theory it’s not tossed around in scientific circles unless it actually means theory. Anyone with a PhD in science or understands the basics of the field knows not to use it in a colloquial manner. This is taught early on. But so is not giving anecdotes in lieu of empirical evidence. She was full of anecdotes.
@joe6700
3 жыл бұрын
@@Ryfinius She is fronting herself as a scientist yet doesn't use language in a scientific way. That is a problem.
@TheHaxorSpeedrun
3 жыл бұрын
I watched her on a panel with Hunter not too long ago and it was clear from her statements on there she is either bad faith or lying about her experience. She didn't seem to understand how FDA audits work with regards to the approval process because what she described on that panel was entirely inaccurate. I have 11 years of experience in clinical research that has been divided between conduct at investigational sites and clinical monitoring, so it would be shocking to me that she would have such a poor understanding of this process with the experience she claims to have.
@Ryfinius
3 жыл бұрын
What is that experience in?
@nickfry7839
3 жыл бұрын
so youre a scientist guy? neat! im a dummy and i have questions im looking for answers to. ive heard some things and im looking for people's input. i heard the pfizer vaccine isnt really fda approved. that it is still in emergency use status. what i was told, was that if it had been approved, all the other vaccines would lose their emergency status per the rules of emergency use. so it continues, the pfizer vaccine that was approved, is a different version with a different name, that isnt available to anyone yet. i dont know enough to know if thats true or not!😂 does it sound credible to you?
@@Ryfinius are you pro or anti vaccine? your video isnt what i was expecting!😆
@TheHaxorSpeedrun
3 жыл бұрын
@@Ryfinius The bulk of my research experience is in infectious disease, gastroenterology, hepatology, oncology, and dermatology. The trials I've been involved in span Phases I-IV and include pediatric trials. I even have a bit of pre-clinical dermatology experience, but that was pretty limited.
@linusclark2344
3 жыл бұрын
The Annihilation music was top tier in the beginning lol
@jls_flx_grndlwld3080
3 жыл бұрын
such a good movie
@chrisburke4039
3 жыл бұрын
She lost me at, "It's not like, a normal vaccine where there are no side-effects" - almost every vaccine has side-effects. As a "scientist" who has experience in the field for her to say this is beyond dishonest.
@chrisburke4039
3 жыл бұрын
@Fake Name Youre both full of it.
@justaneverydaycatiguess744
3 жыл бұрын
@Fake Name just 1 word mate "SIMP"
@justaneverydaycatiguess744
3 жыл бұрын
@Fake Name "YOU" :)
@justaneverydaycatiguess744
3 жыл бұрын
@Fake Name again just 1 word for u mate "simp" :)
@lossnt557
2 жыл бұрын
You don't need to be a scientist to recognize that bs lol
@ryohio4706
3 жыл бұрын
"I'm an actual scientist". Lol, yeah, me too sister.A pharmaceutical industry "Scientist", single mother working 3 jobs that also streams on Twitch, and, by the way, has a bunch of Guns and weapons in her stream background,, lmao. Like, what's going on?, lmao
@miguelzavaleta1911
3 жыл бұрын
She said on a reply here that she has a BS in Biology from UTSA and worked as a manufacturing technician when she was in pharma. Maybe she was a "scientist" in the literal sense, who knows -- but definitely not enough to claim the authority that the term "scientist" has in the popular psyche. When somebody says scientist, you generally imagine a PhD with years of experience doing research, not an undergrad working in manufacturing. It's no wonder she didn't elaborate on her credentials in the beginning. She knew what she was doing.
@johnsacks7398
3 жыл бұрын
I too am a scientist 😁
@ryohio4706
3 жыл бұрын
@@johnsacks7398 judging by these comments, I never realized so many "scientists" watched Destiny,, lmao
@prime3106
3 жыл бұрын
I'm also a bit of a scientist... I record the data from when I light this tree on fire and inhale the smoke... although most of my data turned out inconclusive due to the fact that I forget to write things down, get hungry and fall asleep.
@chanr9531
3 жыл бұрын
@@miguelzavaleta1911 exactly. Like it’s hard to argue about her using the “technical” definition of science is good faith because if she really wanted to use it that way and had no ulterior motive, why not disclose everything at the beginning? You’ll still be able to call yourself a scientist in its technical term whilst informing everyone of your credentials. The only reason why you’d pull this move is to make yourself sound more experienced and authoritative than you really are, akin to how you’d write yourself up on your resume to really highlight and sell your strengths while being “technically” true.
@PsycoCandy
3 жыл бұрын
Bro, if destiny asked me to go through a document I referenced i would cry
@Marqrk
3 жыл бұрын
It’s so great to watch him do it every time, you just KNOW he’s about to call the person on their bs
@rofl_waffl
3 жыл бұрын
Lmfao this is some real nightmare shit
@p.chuckmoralesesquire3965
3 жыл бұрын
according to her 80% of people who get vaccinated experience horrible symptoms but suggesting some women get intense periods, that's too much exaggeration LOL
@aj00
3 жыл бұрын
“I’m just saying that’s what THEY believe! Even though I’ve spent this whole debate defending all their points!”
@crossflow4201
3 жыл бұрын
She's actually 100% right. Destiny keeps giving broad stroke "there are rural areas though" isn't an argument to Trump hers.... she said if they've had 5 cases in 1 year why would I get a vaccine that that has an 80% chance of making me feel shitty and miss work" 75% of people have been vaccinated... its not that many people that have busy lives. Single moms can't get vaccinated on this free weekend they have... destiny the streamer sitting in his underwear all day must realllly have a good perspective on this right...
@ogolthorp
3 жыл бұрын
@@crossflow4201 but again, if you REALLY can’t afford one or two days off. You can’t get someone to watch your kids for a day or two, how are you going to fare if you actually get COVID?
@crossflow4201
3 жыл бұрын
@@ogolthorp lmao 5 people in 1 year in their town have gotten it. I'm not saying its not possible or you can't. You have to look at their reality of risk not paint ALL of the people across a country with the same risk. Clearly you are bias and not looking at it logically. You are trying to go with the "anyone who thinks you shouldn't just be vaccinated is real dumb" again with 75% of people already 1 shot vaxxed you guys are the extremists freaking out about a small portion of society while your vaccinated and protected... And you wont even sympathize or try and see what that small % of people could have happening in their life.
@ogolthorp
3 жыл бұрын
@@crossflow4201 ok. So what percentage of the population is not only lower working class to the point where the literally can't take a day off, but also live in these tiny rural areas with 5 cases a year? Seems like it'd be a pretty fucking small subset of the population. Like less than a percent. So is this really a valid argument against it when it affects such a tiny portion of the population? And let's say you're one of those people and you still manage to get covid because you didn't get vaccinated. Looks like you're totally fucked. You're missing 2 weeks of work, probably having some big medical bills, probably having a really hard time finding someone to watch your kids. Your life really might be ruined because you couldn't sacrifice 2 days off for a vaccine.
@crossflow4201
3 жыл бұрын
@@ogolthorp lmao pretty upset eh. Why do you care about this person's own health, and medical bills bud. You want to talk about stats they had 5 cases in 1 year what are the stats they actually end up that sick eith covid unless they are fat, unhealthy, old and unvaxxinated. Relax. It's one example of a reasonable reason why someone like you needs to stop being such a pshycopath, and try and be reasonable and have discussions with people. Not act like extremists lmao.
@nokiot9
Жыл бұрын
“Horse medicine?” 😂 do y’all call amoxicillin “fish tank cleaner”?
@nokiot9
Жыл бұрын
Holy shit 😂😂😂😂😂 they DO
@liquidrufus
3 жыл бұрын
"Treat me mean, I like it." Huge red flag.
@thecoloroctet1365
3 жыл бұрын
Best part of the debate 😂
@jamrollz
3 жыл бұрын
You mean Huge Green Light x'D
@liquidrufus
3 жыл бұрын
@@jamrollz 😂😂😂
@skateorpie
3 жыл бұрын
@danielamon6978
3 жыл бұрын
I would love it if a conservative would ever acknowledge the nocebo effect and the possibility that “side effects from the vaccine” could be that
@mechanomics2649
3 жыл бұрын
@ant That doesn't make the distinction any less important.
@Blernster
3 жыл бұрын
Nice photoshopped profile pic broh ROFL
@Blernster
3 жыл бұрын
@@dookieshoe2905 it's so funny you guys try to sound smart. Wouldn't expect anything less from people that watch "destiny" LOL
@GoodModeSC
3 жыл бұрын
No doubt when I woke up in the middle of the night following my second dose with severe chills it was from the vaccine. Had a slight headache the following day, took some ibuprofen and it totally resolved itself. Back to work the next day at 100%. I'll take those laughably mild symptoms over Covid any day, but it is important to recognize that there are actual side effects from the vaccine... They just pale in comparison to the disease itself.
@finleymcfuckface2414
3 жыл бұрын
@@mechanomics2649 ur
@SmilingDesperado
3 жыл бұрын
"I"m a scientist.....and now let me talk about anecdotes and my feelings"
@AvocadoAtrocity
3 жыл бұрын
"Woman can have debilitating periods." "That's a lie. I don't."
@OldSkool249
3 жыл бұрын
Somebody needs to inform her that being a front door receptionist does not make you a scientist
@FeRReTNS
3 жыл бұрын
She's not the dumbest scientist, but she better worry when that person dies.
@brivox
2 жыл бұрын
Calling your self a scientist because you work for a pharmaceutical company doesn't mean anything. You could be a project manager or something entirely unrelated to research and development. As far as I'm concerned, it doesn't provide any weight to her arguments.
@spacetoast7783
Жыл бұрын
Even if the was a scientist, her random feelings and anecdotes still wouldn't matter lol
@bacillusanthracis9073
3 жыл бұрын
The reason why it's important to know how this pandemic originated is because it can help us determine how we should respond and how to prevent pandemics (like you said you were interested in at 1:16:28). So for example, IF the virus originated/was rendered more infectious/was rendered infectious to humans in a lab for whatever reason, then we should be able to assess the safety measures that failed in order to correct them. However, if we discover the virus originated in a bat which was then transmitted to an animal (for example a pangolin) and then humans, then there are safety measures and laws that we could put in place. An example of that could be to ban wet markets or, if this is too difficult to do, we could ban the presence of certain animals in the wet markets which are known to be able to transmit the virus from bats or whatever other animal to humans. At 1:19:10 you ask why do you need to know were it (the virus) comes from in order to develop a drug. You don't need to know, but it can immensely help. So for example, it might be that a specific animal was unaffected/minimally affected by a virus because they have certain restriction factors (restriction factors are anti-viral proteins that are produced in the host and counteract or 'restrict' viral replication) in their cells. These restriction factors often bind specific proteins of the virus. So here is the interesting part, if it is possible to have a 3D structure of this interaction (as it is often the case) and ''look'' at where these restriction factors bind on the viral protein it can help develop a drug targeting this part of the viral protein. So here you have an actual example how knowing where a virus came from can help developing a drug against this virus. 1:20:28 Viruses don't just grow in petri dishes, they need to infect a cell to produce more of itself. So, in some cases, it can be crucial to know where the virus came from because we might need to go capture the specific animal that harbors the virus. This capture can be because the virus does not replicate in a lab because we don't have the appropriate cell lines and we want to create a cell line that the virus can replicate in which will facilitate a lot it's study. 1:24:40 I don't know if we have computer programs that can similate mutations the way she describes it. However, to answer your question at 1:25:10, there have been articles where researchers have predicted certain mutations that the virus would evolve to have. What they did is that they put the virus to replicate on cells in the presence of monoclonal antibodies (and if I'm not mistaken in the presence of plasma from infected patients), wait a few replication rounds and then sequence the virus. Here is the title of one such article : Escape from neutralizing antibodies by SARS-CoV-2 spike protein variants. (They predicted the E484K which is present in a lot of variants around the world.) 1:48:10 I don't think it is, some researchers prodicted some mutations by doing actual physical experiments, not by simulating the Spike in silico. 1:35:08 I have no idea what he means. Viruses can get much more infectious and mutations can help evade the antibody responses. 1:42:28 The vaccine is less effective against the delta variant because the delta variant has multiple mutations in it's Spike protein (I would not say it uses a different Spike protein as this seems to imply that it uses a whole other Spike protein). If you're interested here are the mutations : T19R, G142D, E156G, d157-158, L452R, T478K, D614G, P681R, and D950N. I hope this clarifies some questions you had !
@halabowsky
3 жыл бұрын
Yeah, this is very informative. I mostly agree with what Destiny says and the conclusions he comes to, but I don't think he fully understood this subject.
@jamesmckinney9020
3 жыл бұрын
Do you know how animals that contain the restriction factors are found? Sorry if this is a dumb question. Is it like they just find animals nearby where it originated, and if they were unaffected then you know it has those restriction factors?
@anonymous7820
3 жыл бұрын
I think they were talking past each other here. I feel like it was: BxBullet: It's important to know where viruses come from to prevent pandemics. Destiny: It doesn't help once a virus has mutated and jumped species and we need to create a vaccine for it. They're both right, but they're talking about different things.
@bacillusanthracis9073
3 жыл бұрын
That's not a dumb question at all ! And to be honest I am not sure how an animal which carries a new virus that is transmitted to humans would be discovered as I am not familiar with the process, but I imagine it goes something like this (and there is a bit of luck involved in the process): The scientists first sequence the genetic material of the virus and compare it to known sequences of discovered viruses. This can give extremely important information as to what animals/organisms the virus can/could infect and where (what animals) it could come from. Another piece of information that gives clues as to what animals a virus could come from is what cells/tissues it infects. Following this, some scientists need to sample many animals (and many tissues in each animal) to see if they can detect the viruses they are searching for. This would most likely take place around where the first detected cases of the virus were detected. Something important to note here is that some animals (such as bats and pigs) are known to carry a lot of different viruses that can potentially be transmitted from a previous animal to humans, so if scientists really have no idea where to look, these animals can be a good place to start.
@whodoesntlikesurfing
2 жыл бұрын
@@bacillusanthracis9073 So you don't even know how scientists go about proving the existence of a so-called vrius, yet you act like an expert? It's no wonder you think the technique developed by John Enders is a valid methodology when even he admitted that it was pseudoscience. The genome of those vriuses are computer generated anyway, anyway, created by combining a so-called infected person (PCR positive) bodily fluids with various sources of genetic material like horse serum, vero cells, fetal bovine serum, etc. That's not science, it's pseudoscience. There's a reason no one believes in grm-theory like they used to
@note4note804
3 жыл бұрын
Immediately I hear "I work FOR a pharmaceutical company" and I already know that "I'm an actual scientist" has as much truth as Bill Nye would have saying the same.
@hunterdavis2896
3 жыл бұрын
Bill nye would have better arguments then her
@cdub668
3 жыл бұрын
What’s with the gun cocking sound effect lol
@Lumender
3 жыл бұрын
Her notifications
@Carnivoran
3 жыл бұрын
@@Lumender thats some giga cringe
@alexanderg9670
3 жыл бұрын
Annihilation alien's OST is a nice touch
@nicinat0r
3 жыл бұрын
Its the Soundtrack to loose your sanity too
@isakferm7674
3 жыл бұрын
high tier soundtrack
@mastodonrock96
3 жыл бұрын
That's what that is then...lol thanks
@awgmax
3 жыл бұрын
AUGUST Godstiny
@the_inquisitive_inquisitor
3 жыл бұрын
I wish I liked that movie. My brain unfortunately would not stop trying to think of shit like "you telling me that nobody tried X Y or Z before we got to this point?" Maybe it's better explained in the book, but you're telling me they never tied a rope to anyone they sent in there so they could pull them out? Why not land a boat right next to the lighthouse? R/C car with cameras? R/C car hardwired to the controller (electronic interference)? Paratroopers drop straight onto the lighthouse? Cruise missile from a navy vessel off the coast? Build a medieval catapult and launch rocks into the shimmer? I guess I would have really preferred a movie about everything that happened *before* they got to the point where they were letting any old Tom, Dick and Sally wander around in there.
@bennuinspace6688
3 жыл бұрын
"im not anti vax" proceeds to spend almost two hours desperately trying to find a defensible antivax position.
@TripLives
3 жыл бұрын
It blows my mind how hard she was arguing so hard about how important it is to know where the virus comes from for treatments and vaccines when we literally have several vaccines and we don't know where it came from.
@Marquee1911
Жыл бұрын
Does destiny not know how viruses work? The more infectious the less deadly the virus is gonna be. The more deadly the less infectious the virus is gonna be 🤦🏻♂️
@spacetoast7783
8 ай бұрын
What? There's literally no reason that's guaranteed to be the case. You clearly have no idea how viruses work.
@richg4011
3 жыл бұрын
I love when people are like man we got into the weeds with this. NO..........NO.............NO YOU DIDNT. LMAO
@cdubbau135
3 жыл бұрын
I'm 90% sure she's like a pharmaceutical sales rep and she remembered the brochures that she had to read. But just like I work in a hospital with surgeons, it doesn't mean I can do surgery.
@mrmcflappy6639
3 жыл бұрын
The ignorance of people kills me sometimes. There is no political affiliation in fact that can be correlated to a majority that opts out of taking a vaccination.
@GutekZ
3 жыл бұрын
Her argument boils down to “but it’s scawwwy!! TT”
@sunkillsmoon
3 жыл бұрын
So does yours, you fool
@GutekZ
3 жыл бұрын
@@sunkillsmoon just take the vaccine. Like a grown up alpha man.
@sunkillsmoon
3 жыл бұрын
@@GutekZ why don't you get over your fear of a virus with a 99% survival rate , it's gonna be ok buddy lol
@sunkillsmoon
3 жыл бұрын
@@GutekZ what If I already have had covid and have natural immunity why should I still get it? CDC admitted natural immunity is better ..up to 13x better
@swordyshield
3 жыл бұрын
@@sunkillsmoon that has nothing to do with the argument? unless you plan on giving everyone covid then that doesen't apply
@MidnightSun009
3 жыл бұрын
"Oh its not 50 percent protection, its 20 percent protection, so I wont take it." 20 percent is still up from zero!
@Plasmon19
3 жыл бұрын
In a videogame this is like having armor that gives you +20% protection and guarantees survival from a kill shot by specific form of damage. You'd be stupid to choose the option to have no protection at all.
@Lynn-iw2ds
3 жыл бұрын
@@Plasmon19 godstiny
@takeshikovach5165
3 жыл бұрын
It's 70-80 percent.
@Plasmon19
3 жыл бұрын
@Kyle Kyle Better at preventing new infection maybe but not better as a function of risk of death or permanent physical harm from the disease. Aside from that once you take the vaxx you still get the immunity bonus once you get infected, you just don't get chronically ill or hospitalized or dead.
@Fjaloeat1
3 жыл бұрын
Natural immunity only happens if you don’t die.
@metuogalendus577
3 жыл бұрын
When they were talking about kids faking covid tests, it's actually a really popular thing going on. My best friend is in the marine reserves and over half his unit has admitted to each other that they've called off drills fake reporting symptoms and tests lol. Little brother's school has the same problem
@samuelegunjobi6594
3 жыл бұрын
Faking symptoms is not the same thing as faking tests Edit: changed baking to faking
@moonhouse3540
3 жыл бұрын
Ive seen videos purporting to show that acidic drinks like fruit juices and coke can give you a false positive on the at-home tests.
@metuogalendus577
3 жыл бұрын
@@samuelegunjobi6594 I know they aren't but I know people who have done both is what I'm saying g
@wizzzer1337
3 жыл бұрын
good, game the system- rest is best.
@Breadbored.
3 жыл бұрын
@@metuogalendus577 People faked illness to get time off work and school all the time before covid. I dunno why that's even worth mentioning. It even defeats her argument about people not being able to get time off for vaccination... Go get the vaccine and fake a covid test for some paid time off work. Problem solved.
@Fraggle-h7o
3 жыл бұрын
"i work for a pharmaceutical company, THEREFORE i am a actual scientist" I guess the janitors and receptionists and shit are all scientists?
@sylvl5759
3 жыл бұрын
Or maybe she is just running other peoples experiments like pipetting shit. Ive been a lab assistant at 3 labs at my uni, no way in hell do i consider myself a scientist 🤣 to me scientist is more than "i pipette in a cool lab coat :)" but more you think of the hypothesis, you create the experiment, you create protocols and you analyze the data after. Doing grunt work isnt being a "scientist" 🤷 me titrating/pipetting shit in a highschool AP chem class is not me being a 'scientist' 🤣
@joecasey93
3 жыл бұрын
Equal pay for janitors, heavily undervalued members of the scientific community!
@Fraggle-h7o
3 жыл бұрын
@@sylvl5759 yeah i used to do pipetting shit too. I guess ill just start calling myself a scientist as well.
@katyajovich2308
3 жыл бұрын
She’s a scientist yet “I don’t personally experience that so it can’t happen”
@CarlolucaS
2 жыл бұрын
Oh no we went full back to "The government shouldn't mandate seatbelts." The argument that was made when seatbetls were introduced until people realized that it saves their lifes.
@spacetoast7783
Жыл бұрын
There's a solid argument against mandating seatbelts, but not due to lack of efficacy.
@Purkinje90
3 жыл бұрын
1:22:26 I think she's correct here. Vaccine research into novel coronaviruses was already underway before the pandemic hit because scientists suspected that a coronavirus was a good candidate for a new pandemic. EDIT: @Karin corrected me below. I'll copy what they said here so more people might see it: "It isn't that they suspected it. It's that it already happened. SARS was also a coronavirus. A lot of the early research for the Moderna vaccine was because at the beginning of the SARS epidemic in 2003 they were developing a vaccine for that."
@LearningDrummerSam
3 жыл бұрын
Yeah because they had already proebn to be in the past right? It makes total sense to do so
@Atropabelopa
3 жыл бұрын
It isn't that they suspected it. It's that it already happened. SARS was also a coronavirus. A lot of the early research for the Moderna vaccine was because at the beginning of the SARS epidemic in 2003 they were developing a vaccine for that.
@BradJohannsen
3 жыл бұрын
@@Atropabelopa Yeah, this one is literally called Sars-cov-2. It's the sequel to SARs
@Purkinje90
3 жыл бұрын
@@Atropabelopa Thank you for the correction. I'll amend the OP.
@Fraggle-h7o
3 жыл бұрын
So here, for anyone interested, is our "SCIENTISTS" twitch profile where she doesnt mention word one about being a scientist or working in pharmaceuticals: "My name is Becca and I'm a Self Defense Advocate. I'm also a Private Investigator, Competitive Shooter, a licensed PPO (Bodyguard), and a casual gamer. My favorite game category is Survival Horror. I was born and raised - and still reside - in the great state of TEXAS."
@miguelzavaleta1911
3 жыл бұрын
She posted in a different thread that she got a BS in Biology from UTSA and worked as a manufacturing technician for a pharma company for some time. Maybe she was a scientist by definition, but not what we all imagine when someone says they're a scientist. She was trying to stretch her credentials and she knows it.
@Fraggle-h7o
3 жыл бұрын
To the dorks in this thread that obviously didnt watch this debate : she said she was still a scientist. She also said she had three jobs, and she listed three (maybe even four depending on how you define "job") in her twitch bio. The way she speaks clearly reveals she knows nothing about science. And she said that she was "an actual scientist" BECAUSE she worked at a pharmaceutical company. I've worked in a lab too. that doesnt make me a scientist. Janitors work at pharmaceutical companies. that dont make them scientists. Go be parasocial elsewhere
@AK4525
3 жыл бұрын
@@Fraggle-h7o well said, she is clearly leveraging her "credentials" to increase her credibility disingenuously. It's like saying "I'm actually a doctor" prior to a debate about Healthcare but turns out you have a phd in education
@Fraggle-h7o
3 жыл бұрын
@@tyler-xo3rb "“i don’t believe steve worked at a casino, he doesn’t even have it in his twitch bio" 1.She said she STILL works in pharmaceuticals, whereas Destiny hasn't worked at the Casino in over a decade. 2.She listed 3 Jobs in her Twitch bio, none of which where her pharmaceutical job, and she said in the stream "i have three jobs"
@11zoomzoom11
3 жыл бұрын
@@Fraggle-h7o She still works a pharmaceutical company, but no longer in a hands on research science capacity. Her current job involves QA
@DMatt343
3 жыл бұрын
I genuinely don't believe this woman is a scientist. A scientologist, maybe.
@WonDerBr34D
3 жыл бұрын
These gunshot sound effects had me crying lmao nice touch
@spacetoast7783
8 ай бұрын
Im 10000% sure she worked some random reception or clerical job at the "science company". She clearly avoided describing her role, and it was a part-time job.
@UltraCasualPenguin
3 жыл бұрын
After first Pfizer shot I only had problem raising my arm above shoulder and on next day area was very sensitive, a bit like it's when you get bruise. One of the reasons why herd immunity is important is to protect those people who can't get vaccine because it's not even choice for them.
@MMAGamblingTips
3 жыл бұрын
“Poor people can’t take a day off of work.’’ Ask her if she favors government ID to vote
@jebushcrist
3 жыл бұрын
I'm a scientist - doesn't understand the concept of herd immunity or complexity
@inteallsviktigt
3 жыл бұрын
The chance that viruses become weaker is because it’s easier to spread. If it is extremely deadly it makes it less likely to spread
@Bennick323
3 жыл бұрын
I'm exhausted at work listening to this, and every time I was hearing a gun cocking/reloading sound during the beginning of this debate, my brain kept thinking Destiny was just about to get sick of debating COVID and switch to trial by combat.
@campsitez2355
3 жыл бұрын
54:00 she is quoted saying _"how does that 30 percent risk everybody else's lives"_ ... this coming from a "scientist" who should narrate the point's correctness rather than questioning destiny with such an ignorant question. (vax rates for measles efficacy has to be approaching 90% or more, and dropping to 85% puts everyone at risk even the vaxxinated - just as an example). 57:25 she is doubting the idea that people who are unvaccinated are why people who are vaccinated are still a risk because (1 they can catch it) and (2 they can still spread it and especially if they're in contact with the infected person) - these are all stumbling points for someone who doesn't even have a basic knowledge in her "SUPPOSED" field. LOL then she brings in the "other countries" argument... funny. Not an argument because a country can reasonably control who gets in and who goes out. AROUND 1 hour she fails to say it's alarming considering how many are vaccinated? UM A SCIENTIST WOULD KNOW THAT FOR A VACCINE TO REACH TRUE EFFICACY THE VACCINATION RATE MUST BE APPROACHING SOMEWHERE AROUND 90%.... NOT 70% damn she's SUCH A BAD LIAR. LMAO ... this lady thinks that "science is always changing' - one thing is that the fundamentals of mathematics - statistics in particular - ARE NOT CHANGING. lol miss "I don't believe in seatbelt mandates" ... yeah, whatever. This much about her story I might believe: She divorced her ex after he lost his job at a pharma company that went bankrupt. Her father is a police officer who thought she could get alimony and she failed to get alimony and now she moonlights as a private investigator in order to get discounts on trying to get more money out of her ex. Because when some lady claims to have a degree in "science" lol not even a specific description of what field or specialization is the hallmark of a lie. It's either the former or the final option is that she is a fox/cnn news intern thinking she can get big by grifting for the right.
@chronographer
3 жыл бұрын
You know she's good with math when she said she'd take the 10% chance of 2 weeks sick over 80% chance of 1 day. 1.4>0.8 last time I checked.
@Ancor3
3 жыл бұрын
@@chronographer That's not how the maths work tho. The odds of getting covid naturally would be 1 - 0.9^(14) which is approximately 0.77. But that leaves out that getting covid naturally has you suffering the consequence 14 times longer (quarantine) and has something like 20x times the chance of hospitalization. From a numbers perspective, it only make sense to get the vaccine.
@gSWG3R
2 жыл бұрын
Her appeal to her academic background means jackshit. I'm a postgraduate psychology student in training to become a clinical psychologist, but ah here take my opinion on Organisational Psychology as authoritative and valid.
@nokiot9
Жыл бұрын
ApPeAl To AuThOrItY
@ryohio4706
3 жыл бұрын
Her reacting like she did to him bringing up women with significantly bad/painful menstrual cycles was so odd. Like Destiny also said, that's really weird for her to be like "WhAt?!? Tee hee, C'mon Destiny, THe he hee, really?!", especially as a woman?, I'm a guy and feel like that's very commonly known knowledge?
@haltingthestorm6408
3 жыл бұрын
Yeah as a woman I thought that reaction to the menstrual cycle thing was SUPER odd. I’m glad more people picked up on this
@sylvl5759
3 жыл бұрын
Yah it was so strange how she laughed it off as if pain from periods are a huge hoax?? Like really? She has never had a friend complain about period pain? Does she just laugh it off to their face? Personally i dont get period cramps at all, but i know they are very real for other people, the way she laughed and said "but lol i dont get them 🤪🤪🤪🤪" was kinda cringe.
@sharinettegonzalez23
3 жыл бұрын
@@sylvl5759 so how does it feel to be God’s favorite? Lol But on a serious note, period pains are FUCKING HORRIBLE 😣 After pregnancy I don’t get them as much as before, but they used to be so bad. I had back pain, I would get nausea, diarrhea, migraines, coochie pain, and for some reason my anxiety would go crazy. All that would lag a whole week.
@oxkit0katxo413
3 жыл бұрын
I have awful periods & was diagnosed years ago with PMDD (premenstrual dysphoric disorder) & PCOS (polycystic ovarian syndrome.) I take birth control not only to help decrease the severity of my symptoms but also so I only have to get 4 periods a year (therefore having to deal with those symptoms less often.) Her scoffing at that was very insensitive, although not surprising coming from a conservative, especially one who’s reality is purely based on anecdotes.
@iz2333
2 жыл бұрын
It might actually be in part *because* she's a woman. It's much easier to dismiss period pain when you actually experience periods and don't get much pain. "Well I've experienced it this way, so you're just a pussy"
@ComradeYinkai
3 жыл бұрын
Lol conservative scientist! Oxymoron! What is next? Conservative comedian!? ROFL!
@hellspark
3 жыл бұрын
"This isn't my argument, but there are concerns about blah blah blah and vaccines shouldn't be forced!" She got away with it so many times. This was painful.
@chinstonsworstshill3937
3 жыл бұрын
It blows my mind how she thinks she can avoid pushback just because "these aren't MY opinions." when 1) she's making the arguments, they're going to be addressed. 2) she's advocating for them by presenting them as reasonable. this lady is gonna need a bigger shield than "Devil's advocate" when she's defending them.
@IYPITWL
3 жыл бұрын
Getting towards the end she just doesn't let him respond and boom she can't be proved wrong anymore.
@bobbysalami6530
3 жыл бұрын
I think having these conversations is going to have Destiny stroke out one day. I am honestly jealous of how much he keeps his cool in some instances
@krotchlickmeugh627
3 жыл бұрын
He should at this point. His echo chamber should be eradicated from the gene pool. Im done playing. War or nothing. It's time
@aono335
2 жыл бұрын
@@krotchlickmeugh627 Lmao go take your crazy pills.
@christophergreen6595
3 жыл бұрын
Mandates don't need to be 100% effective, we just need to push up past herd immunity
@christophergreen6595
3 жыл бұрын
@Weston Meyer citation needed
@baileybartley2463
3 жыл бұрын
Vaccinated people can still spread it, herd immunity isnt reached through this type of vaccination
@mechanomics2649
3 жыл бұрын
@@baileybartley2463 You have no idea of what you're talking about.
@IHazSkillzBOI
3 жыл бұрын
This is a debate that needs rewatching multiple times
@__-be1gk
3 жыл бұрын
Has "That's why I don't play Among Us" not become a donation sound yet?
@muizzsiddique
3 жыл бұрын
I am sick and tired of hearing the "market regulates itself" from right-wing people, they have no idea what that entails.
@ShibaoWen
3 жыл бұрын
They found out when their accounts got banned for spouting hate speech and lies.
@muizzsiddique
3 жыл бұрын
@@ShibaoWen It's not just consequences of their own actions, it's specifically: for a system to regulate itself with powerul and highly exploitative players, things will only turn back around to support the consumers once the entire industry has crashed and burned, and harmed/killed hundreds of thousands of people. That is where self-regulated markets/free markets with zero regulations go.
@landonrepp1634
3 жыл бұрын
TIL legal lawsuits are the market regulating itself
@yournoha
3 жыл бұрын
"first one that came up when i googled it" type beat
@drdoomer8553
3 жыл бұрын
Anyone with half a brain knows that simply working for pharma doesn’t make you a scientist. The anecdotes used to prove general points alone was a dead giveaway
@carrickcullen3567
3 жыл бұрын
Rest In Peace dumile
@adafuns
3 жыл бұрын
Maybe she is maybe she is not but Destiny failure to understand how important it is to study the origins of viruses was cringe and she held her own extremely well in that part of the debate. She clearly understands biology better than Destiny. Before that part of the debate she was cringe af and her general overall point is wrong but man did Destiny and by extension his audience failed at the biology hard there. I think his fans of which I count myself among them need to be careful because clearly it took more than half a brain to understand what she was talking about at the end there. I was facepalming the whole thing ashamed at Destiny and the chat.
@drdoomer8553
3 жыл бұрын
@@adafuns what point about biology did she make that destiny and the chat didn’t comprehend?
@tripletap1
Жыл бұрын
When i was a kid, my Dad was very handy, one day he gave me a hammer to drive a couple nails. That was my hammer, so eventually i started driving nails where they were not even needed, i was looking for nails everywhere.
@genestarwind4610
3 жыл бұрын
AHHAHAHAHAHA Conservative 101: at 16:50 Here is an article with a questioning headline that supports me! Destiny: Great! Link me and let's go through it! CON: OH Shit,, I never actually read this can we just stick with the headline proving me right?
@Scrungge
3 жыл бұрын
She speaks with such confidence eventhough she gets debunked every single time wtf?
@boardsofFL
3 жыл бұрын
"I read a whole article on this."
@relaxed8365
3 жыл бұрын
"Nice! Can we go through that article together on stream?" "Wait actually I haven't read that article at all..."
@E_Ten
3 жыл бұрын
1:39:17 "Can't that spike protein production go out of control and be just as bad as the virus? No! because the spike protein doesn't make you sick. It just doesn't belong in your body but it can't make you sick." To be charitable the spike proteins would not make you test positive for the virus and it's true it wouldn't go out of control. However the spike proteins can induce cell damage. The reason why the side effects of the vaccines are similar to, but less likely than, the side effects of the virus, such as myocarditis, is because the spike protein is one of the mechanisms for illness from covid.
@mechanomics2649
3 жыл бұрын
That isn't how it works. The mRNA never enters the nucleolus of the cell, and the cell breaks down and gets rid of the mRNA after it is finished with the instructions, as per the CDC.
@E_Ten
3 жыл бұрын
@@mechanomics2649 I'm not sure what you're challenging me on. I never said mRNA enters the nucleus. I'm saying the spike proteins produce by the cells has the potential of causing cell damage. It's acute since the vaccines don't replicate and most spike proteins are supposed to be destroyed by the immune response, but spike proteins and human ACE2 receptors seem to not jive well together in humanized mice (if I remember the study correctly).
@DoctorCBT
Жыл бұрын
kinda weird to say "I'm an actual scientist" rather than specifying an area of expertise
@PentagonFortress
3 жыл бұрын
My mother has stage 3 lung cancer her doctor bluntly told her it’s take the vaccine or die. Cancer patients very much are encouraged to take vaccines after a certain point in their treatment.
@gee766
3 жыл бұрын
Didn't know the vaccine made you immortal.
@PentagonFortress
3 жыл бұрын
@@gee766 yup totally that’s what the doctor meant by that statement. Tho yeah my mom is immortal
@Sannandreo
3 жыл бұрын
If she is a scientist I am an elephant
@voultronix761
3 жыл бұрын
@@Sampsonoff amen , was gonna say with those light up guns and taking on destiny is a massive red flag
@andym8682
3 жыл бұрын
The danger of unvaccinated people is that they are more likely to end up in the I.C.U. and overwhelm hospitals. Then everyone who needs an I.C.U. bed suffers. Which is currently happening in Idaho and a few other US states.
@liefhebber6277
2 жыл бұрын
Same thing happened here where I live in South Africa. Every hospital had its ICU full and many didn't even have HCUs open, and there are many hospitals here
@harleybeta
3 жыл бұрын
Beginning editing on point, music and all! Gj
@kasperkj123
3 жыл бұрын
She is a scientist working 3 jobs?
@jkrt8722
3 жыл бұрын
This debate was the last straw for Biden. Vaccine mandates rolled out immediately after.
@Abstracthuman59
3 жыл бұрын
Things scientists don't say ......" THEY report(without citation)"...."My aunt reported"...."let me google that"
@Nicholascagesmandolin
3 жыл бұрын
'i haven't read it, but it's the first thing that came up on google' was pretty funny
@bradders9743
3 жыл бұрын
Destiny googles things all the time
@Calico983
3 жыл бұрын
I'm reading a science textbook right now (in college atm, comp sci undergrad taking biology class) and this chapter I just read said that the response to the virus is the most important thing to analyze as scientists. How it spread mainly. Destiny's right on the money quite often.
@jeannie8728
3 жыл бұрын
Wait she’s a scientist who worked at a big pharmaceutical company and now works for a pharma supplier but has 3 jobs? Damn
@liefhebber6277
2 жыл бұрын
I bet she counts twitch streaming as a """job""" despite likely having 20 subs lol
@Hbizzjohnson
3 жыл бұрын
Sneaky editor, im pretty sure destiny somehow didnt get the audio from destiny's side so the editor took it from her stream and matched it together with destiny's video side haha. Thats why her gun loading emote is there and destiny muted his mic at one point but we didnt hear him, checkmate editor.
@Ryfinius
3 жыл бұрын
Whats her channel?
@distinctisme
3 жыл бұрын
"I'm an actual scientist" -No Scientist Ever
@tarfielarchelone2674
3 жыл бұрын
"Imagine if you lose 1 day of work" Is that.... is that a legitimate point.... why did this seem like a good point to her?
@inteallsviktigt
3 жыл бұрын
Knowing the origin of the virus is the equivalent of knowing what you did before to have a better understanding of future actions
@Chrisg841
3 жыл бұрын
Remember people! She's an ACTUAL scientist and TOTALLY not an anti vaxxer!! Lol ok!!
@Lydspaceee
3 жыл бұрын
Who allowed her to science
@Kloutkulture
3 жыл бұрын
I don’t get how someone in the pharmaceutical industry is surprised by drug side effects? Most if not all drugs have some side-effects and in actuality a lot of drugs are created from unintentional side-effects. There is a very popular drug that they prescribe to patients who have trouble growing eyelashes. It was created by accident, it was a drug for another issue that unintentionally caused excessive eyelash growth. After this was observed the medication was tested and approved. I forgot the exact name of the drug.
@nathandotson6350
3 жыл бұрын
These are called "dirty drugs" or "dirty prescriptions" I believe. My anxiety prescription is actually meant as an anti-itch medication, and just has the side effect of lowering anxiety.
@iz2333
2 жыл бұрын
@@nathandotson6350 Might be a little late now but that's called an "off label" prescription. It just refers to using medications to treat something they weren't approved for.
@JustGotALife
2 жыл бұрын
Lol people miss one day of work every now and then ,wtf lol
@nokiot9
Жыл бұрын
Yeah but some people run their finances so tightly or struggle so missing a single day of work means they aren’t gonna eat or that they power is gonna be off the last week of the month.
@nokiot9
Жыл бұрын
And it’s not out of choice, it’s out of economic necessity and to simply subsist
@spacetoast7783
Жыл бұрын
@@nokiot9 They REALLY can't afford to get sick from COVID then
@Plainbear
3 жыл бұрын
In the hospital where I worked, I had to capture bats sometimes and then place them in a super cooled freezer, so they could test it.
@user-nr2ku9dk9b
2 жыл бұрын
Shes like one of those sitcom or cartoon side characters that has a new job in each episode they air in.
@novepe
3 жыл бұрын
She keeps implying a lot with what she is saying but never owns it
@italianwaffle5592
3 жыл бұрын
Is that a baby imp? Like a small one?
@novepe
3 жыл бұрын
@@italianwaffle5592 huh, sry my bad... english is not my first language implying*
@italianwaffle5592
3 жыл бұрын
@@novepe Lol, it’s no harm, I just thought it was funny.
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