I appreciate that the ESPN KZitem channel uploads full segments now
@PoohShimmy
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We all do
@MandeepSingh-ki6ve
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They saw the views that undisputed was getting and followed suit. Good choice
@kuenythiluang25
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One hundred percent
@JasenMinus
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Max is so right its crazy and theyre just too caught up in how the game was played.
@DavidMartinez-pg3zq
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He's right about what?
@supersaiyangodvegeta7270
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Completely wro my
@johnlewis8934
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Exactly, no one can say Elway did anything better than Mahomes
@mario98730
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@@johnlewis8934 You 100% can lol. Mahomes has to win 2 SuperBowl before you can really argue he should be over Elway. Their stats are very similar but you’d give Elway the edge for that bc the 90s were far less pass happy. Max’s argument that Mahomes has clearly been the best QB in the league more often than Elway or Peyton is true, but I think he needs that 2nd ring to truly leapfrog over them in the all time QB ladder
@thegoat164
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Forrest Gump so overrated.
@bogdaninhobossful
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Keyshawn is the most irrational debater. Great argument on why Elway is better than Mahomes. *rolling eyes*
@frederickpando9444
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I agree.
@r8td
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True lmfao, he says he doesn’t care about statistics but they tell a good amount of the story
@CouchCit
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yup, it's because he's arguing a general public opinion and doesn't want to dig into stats
@rcdesigns
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Number of career interceptions when they threw TD pass number 100: John Elway: 95 Patrick Mahomes: 19
@anthonya8496
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@@rcdesigns but that’s 7 or 8 years into Mahomes career he hasn’t even hit the halfway point. I said all of us need to be looking at this that when he’s retired then maybe he might have a legit claim at possible all time great
@dontdoit3976
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Max got them on this debate....
@deondreperkins9182
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No, not yet!! Mahomeboy still has to play the games!! Elway played in 5 Superbowls!! That has to mean something!!
@oa8294
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@@deondreperkins9182 5 in 16 years and mahomes has already been to 3. If mahomes wins he matches him in super bowl wins already and after he gets mvp he surpasses him in mvps
@deondreperkins9182
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@@oa8294 that why they play the game.. Show and tell not tell and tell!! 🤦🏾♂🤦🏾♂
@markeithjackson3401
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@@oa8294 yeah but yall forgetting what Mahomes took over Elway, manning was drafted to bad teams and made them great love Mahomes but he was drafted to a already stacked team
@oa8294
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@@markeithjackson3401 those teams didn’t even make it to the conference championship. Mahomes is the difference maker. And how about his team now? He’s off the rookie deal. Tyreek is gone. The team had the third most rookies start games
@MrJames-ww5em
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Having the whole segment really adds more context and perspective...
@ballhigh8994
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Montana hands down. He played in the Era of LT
@chrisanderson2056
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The list is this: 1. Tom Brady 2. Joe Montana 3. Peyton Manning 4. Dan Marino 5. Patrick Mahomes
@JohnSmith-nm4zd
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Watching Keyshawn getting visibly frustrated at Max is very entertaining! 😂😂😂😂
@bossgrew7969
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Key: “Cuz I hate you right now!”😡 Max: “alright wassup”🙂 11:18
@G33KB0YW0ND3R
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ESPN the goat for putting full segments up
@deshundillard1337
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the disrespect for aaron rodgers bro
@lani7475
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1. Brady 2. Joe Cool 3. Peyton Manning 4. Patrick Mahomes 5. Dan Marino Honorable Mentions : Elway, Aikman, Farve, Roethlisberger, Bradshaw. 🤷🏽♂️
@martinonuegbu1384
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You have Roethlisberger??? And him and Aikman ahead of Brees and Rogers??.. nah you’re trippin
@lani7475
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@@martinonuegbu1384 Brees and Rodgers only have 1 Super Bowl. Roethlisberger was always top 4-5 as a QB in the league, And MVP’s don’t matter to me in the NFL because only QB’s or RB’s win it most of the time. 🤷🏽♂️💯
@alexsolo4085
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Best Cowboys QB was Staubach
@usmcmikeco0651
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@Lani Ben doesnt even have a SB MVP
@lani7475
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@@alexsolo4085 Not disagreeing in any way … it’s just that I didn’t see Staubach’s prime… but his numbers are extremely impressive for his era. 💯
@Onthehop08.
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That list is absolutely wild. People might not agree with my list. Top 5 to me would be. 1. Tom Brady 2. Joe Montana 3. Peyton Manning 4. Aaron Rodgers 5. Patrick Mahomes
@brandonhunter3166
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Not bad, I think Rodgers is just outside the top 5
@Onthehop08.
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@@brandonhunter3166 yeah he’s debatable to be outside of 5. To be honest I would switch Mahomes with Rodgers if he wins the Super Bowl next week.
@hoeelander
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Not a bad list at all
@alexsolo4085
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Mahomes isn’t even top ten right now. If he wins this year than he is top ten.
@ez6888
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Add Drew Brees. Stop trying to force Mahomes in. He’ll have his day, let him get to a decade in first b4 you start leapfrogging him over ppl.
@Fernando-fr5cu
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1. Brady 2. Joe Montana 3. Dan Marino 4. Patrick Mahommes 5. John Elway
@alexsolo4085
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Mahomes isnt top 5 yet. Not enough on the resume. Maybe if he wins this SB
@Fernando-fr5cu
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@damiensaidsheshungry good one👍🏽
@Fernando-fr5cu
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Taking Mahommes out for Payton at 4
@alexsolo4085
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It’s true Mahomes is outside the top ten at the moment. He has like 6 years in the league and 1 SB. When his career is all said and done I think he’ll be top 3. But anything can happen in between
@Victor47930
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This list is Dan's TV analyst version of walking out the back of the end zone as a NFL QB.
@aertuy123
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I am surprised he didn't say 5. Matthew Stafford 😂
@kevinbowen6182
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Roger Staubach started 8-ish years for the Dallas Cowboys. He went to 4 Super Bowls, won 2 Super Bowls, led the league in passing in 4 of those years, and missed a 5th by 0.1 points.
@jakemackay1747
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Roger Staubach has a very strong case for Top 5
@thegoat164
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#1 Joe Montana #2 Roger Staubach
@marvellbeckhamll3394
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Being completely honest the only thing that’s missing from mahomes is longevity because talent wise mahomes is better than everyone who’s ever played and then you factor in the fact that he’s been in 3 super bowls won 2 regular season mvps and hosted the afc championship game every year he’s been the starter. Plus he has the chance to win his second ring which would really separate him in that elite convo of qb’s. As well let’s be honest they went down the list of guys like drew Brees and Troy aikman and Big Ben but let’s be honest if you get to choose any of those guys and mahomes you’re choosing mahomes and it’s not even close. Which that’s why I do think he’s top 5 and especially if he wins this second ring I think we have to start talking about him consistently in that top 5 convo
@alfarouqaminufor3892
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doesnt matter how many time you make it to the super bowl, you have to win. theoretically what would it mean for Mahomes career if he lost this superbowl making him 1-3, what happens if he never wins another superbowl? he will have incredible stats but at the end of the day people will look at 1-3. so its very premature to put Mahomes so high on the list because we dont know what the future holds.
@xcwilliams7980
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@Al farouq Aminu for 3 he'll have one less than Elway and Manning... and 1 more than Marino, who's also in these people top 5. So the point remains.
@xaviervega468
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@@alfarouqaminufor3892 He would 1-2 if he lost this Super Bowl. He' won one and he's lost one.
@jamesbentley66
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He has 5 years in the league that's like saying ja morant better than Isiah Thomas or steph curry this Era has no respect for past generations its disrespectful to me
@anovaguy
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@@jamesbentley66 exactly. It feels crazy to be discussing this now. Mahomes could fall off a cliff, or get hit by a bus. They are ranking him on future potential. Even Mahomes says he's got to get there first...
@ianreed9571
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Drew Brees should certainly replace Dan "I Never Won A Super Bowl" Marino on that list! Not only is Drews numbers much better than Marino's, but he also has a ring!
@alexsolo4085
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Right Marino is arguably top 10 but no way top 5
@smithfan22
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1. Brady 2. Montana 3. Peyton 4. Marino 5. Unitas
@cgpxae2119
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Unitas??
@alexsolo4085
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4 championship, long career, America’s favorite during that period
@JohnWick-qr4yc
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If mahomes wins one more Super Bowl on top of this years MVP I’m sorry but you gotta look at him being a possible top 5 of all time. I mean he’s in his 5th year starting and dude has a better resume than a majority of QBs in history of the game when he’s in his 10th year not accounting for any injuries I can see him having records for a lot of things in a record breaking time. Future Goat as far as I’m concerned tbh.
@alexsolo4085
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He’ll be top ten no question, but he needs more on his resume to get him top 5. Having 6 seasons ain’t long enough yet
@shizzoflex3121
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@@alexsolo4085 imma keep it 100! This feels like a magic Jordan type scenario mahomes been winning for a min and here comes this new kid on the block jalenhurts i think he taking the mantle by force in the super bowl it’s something about hurts dat mentality especially when mahomes Win this mvp hurts gone be a man possessed next Sunday
@AlmightyQuan
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Nah mahomes gotta win more Peyton manning have 5 mvps and 2 super bowls mahomes not even top 10 in touchdowns all time and passing yards we gotta give him at least a decade
@alexsolo4085
Жыл бұрын
@shizzo flex, this is what I think, Mahomes will no question be the best player on the field in the SB, and Jalen Hurts is a good qb on a great team. Niners kinda exposed him last weekend. 160 yards of total offense by him. That won’t cut it against the Chiefs
@boochtron
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As far as I'm concerned he will NEVER be the GOAT. I don't care if he wins, too early for me to call him top 5
@tonytooshort
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I understand Max. He's not saying career wise. He's just saying he's a better quarterback.
@Doknot-tb9ey
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Keyshawn is so funny. Max is driving him crazy LOL.
@Doknot-tb9ey
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@cam lovins You shut up!
@novawolverine
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#2 is preposterous. With an SB win this year, I think #5 behind Brady, Manning, Montana, and Elway would be fair. At this moment, he’s still behind Brees, Rodgers, and right around with Marino IMO. People were saying he would surpass Brady in SB wins after his first Super Bowl appearance, so there’s some element of wanting to put Mahomes at the top prematurely amongst some media types.
@gtr0k
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Already over brees without the SB win. Pat has 2 MVPs
@novawolverine
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@@gtr0k I don't think he's far off, but if Mahomes were to never play another game, I wouldn't put him above Brees.
@Jeeksters
Жыл бұрын
The fact that mahomes is on this list and no one is really debating that is wild. Mahomes 5 years in already top 5 all time. The kid is a freak of nature. Lol. Glad we’re witnessing Patrick mahomes. He’s going to end up the greatest of all time forsure.
@k-town8163
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I agree brotha 💯 what we are witnessing comes every 30 years if we're lucky.. truly one of the greatest if not the greatest -pats fan
@Reemrealturnt
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My top 5 QB All Time is 1. Tom Brady 2. Joe Montana, 3.Peyton Manning 4. John Elway 5. Aaron Rodgers
@thahomie7588
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I like your list but I put Brett Frave number 5
@thronesofgaming5240
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im a chief's fan and no Mahomes isn't above Elway right now i swear people didn't watch Elway play he could do it all, but Shanahan came and brought a run first team which stunted Elway stat and Elway's had crazy skills he can run and make any throw.
@rolandorod9883
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I’LL TAKE IGUODALA!
@chriswilson6196
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The problem about his top 5 is that John Elway lost his first 3 and didn't win until he had the Terrell davis and Shannon Sharpe and wasn't the main reason that the broncos won at the end. When Joe Montana was and never threw an interception. Peyton choked in the playoffs more than in of the top qbs and played at a lower level in the playoffs than his regular season
No Drew Brees???? Drew Brees is literally top 4 in every statistical category for QB’s
@brandonhunter3166
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I think Brees is right outside the top 5
@quayw551
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@@brandonhunter3166 I respectfully disagree. Brees never had an Elite WR but somehow got it done with guys like Lance Moore & Marques Colston whom never even made a Pro Bowl. Brees rank at least top 4 in every statistical category with subpar WR’s, a solid TE, middle of the pack run game and defense!
@brandonhunter3166
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@@quayw551 that’s fair, but Brees never had a lot of playoff success. I think he is the most accurate QB all time by far, but his stats are high because he played longer than previous QB’s and the Saints threw the ball a lot. I don’t think putting him at 4 or 5 is way off, I just personally think he’s in the 6-8 range.
@alexsolo4085
Жыл бұрын
The fact that Joe Montana isn’t number 2 means the list should be in the trash. Montana destroyed Elway in the Super Bowl as well as beating Marino in the super bowl. Marino shouldn’t even be in the list. He based it on Marino throwing a great ball. But he got surpassed awhile ago. Elway got surpassed also. They’re top ten though for sure.
@jrad410
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Montanna’s teams were superior to Marino/Elway. You don’t think those guys coulda won with those teams?
@alexsolo4085
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Elway didn’t keep it close to Montana in the Superbowl, they got blown out. The dolphins weren’t that far off from the 49ers in the SB. Marino still lost. Stop It
@jrad410
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@@alexsolo4085 im just saying, if Marino/Elway had that defense.
@King27-8
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Yeah uhhh what was that list? 1. Tom Brady 2. Joe Montana 4. Elway 5. Manning Mahomes journey is simple, win another chip, jump way up the list!
@jumpstreet2425
Жыл бұрын
Manning aint better than ben Roethlisberger
@Mrstealyogirl91
Жыл бұрын
Mahomes has had elite talent and coaching around him his whole career.. something only a few guys have had. Says something about his success
@jrad410
Жыл бұрын
The question with Montana I think will always be there is the team around him. Montana in my top 5, but Montana not even having a 4000 yard passing season when Marino had one has king stood out to me.
@antjones21
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Marino’s team only passed. They didn’t have a run game at all. Which is why he never won a Super Bowl. Also Montana blew Marino out in the Super Bowl.
@rcdesigns
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I've never wanted to be in a room debating someone more than I do now.
@BrotherFinn882
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1. Brady 2. Montana 3. P. Manning 4. Elway 5. Rogers/Marino 6. Marino/Rogers 7. Brees 8. E. Manning 9. Bradshaw 10. Farve 11. Kelly 12. Aikman 13. Warner 14. Staubach 15. Starr
@xcwilliams7980
Жыл бұрын
Yes we all would like more titles than MVPs, but as a player you have more control over an individual award than a team award.
@eliafuimaono
Жыл бұрын
Pro-tip: an argument is more coherent if the argument isn't constantly changing
@Monkey_D_Cluffy
Жыл бұрын
Joe Montana won 4 super bowls right? What’s his TD/int ratio playoff wise?
@goat1319
Жыл бұрын
My Top 5 1. Tom Brady 2. Joe Montana 3. Peyton Manning 4. John Elway 5. Brett Favre
@Big-Bearded-Alkebulanian-Man
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1. Warren Moon 2. Tom Brady 3. Joe Montana 4. Patrick Mahomes 5. Payton Manning
@decarlo1588
Жыл бұрын
Max is right, they just think it's disrespectful but in this case mahommes is truly just different
@nastywest
Жыл бұрын
Brady.Joe.Payton.Rodgers.John.Brees.Marino
@goldenstatewarriors9418
Жыл бұрын
Mahomes does not have the resume to be top 5 yet. Max’s ability to get on people’s nerves are truly amazing. My list is (I don’t know much about Bart Starr, Otto Graham, or Johnny Unitas so I don’t know where to put them): 1. Brady 2. Montana 3. Elway 4. Manning 5. Rodgers
@6Chainz11
Жыл бұрын
Dan should not even make a Top 5 all of time list when he said he never saw Joe Montana play
@lifeisgood_bro
Жыл бұрын
Key doesn’t even have an argument 😂
@usmcmikeco0651
Жыл бұрын
Mahomes: 1MVP and 1SB = No.2 all time Rodgers: 4 MVP and 1 SB = Not even on the list 😂😂 Make it make sense
@boochtron
Жыл бұрын
@BlaZe terminator I hate Rodgers, he is not top 5, but he has more of an argument than Mahomes.
@KevinWieschhues
Жыл бұрын
Putting Mahomes ahead of Elway is ridiculous and Max contradicts himself. Sure, Mahomes already has a chip and 5 trips to the championship game.. but the rest of the argument is projection. If you compare Mahomes right now to the 16-year-career of Elway, Elway clearly wins. Who knows, Mahomes might finish his career with one super bowl - then what? Stop making the argument about what we think or project is gonna happen.
@martinonuegbu1384
Жыл бұрын
Thank you
@Wicked_RotF30
Жыл бұрын
This show was so good. Best show on espn for 4hrs every day. Freddie and Jay will carry the torch. Still will be best show as long as espn stays out of the way.
@JamesJiansen
Жыл бұрын
To be fair Montana stats are so-so. His direct competitor Marino was way more statistically achieved. Montana was #1 because of his SB wins. Mahomes, Elway and Marino should not be on the list.
@alexsolo4085
Жыл бұрын
And Marino lost to Montana in the SB
@JamesJiansen
Жыл бұрын
@@alexsolo4085 Montana is greater than Marino regardless because of the championships. But I find it funny most people ignore Montana's okay stats claiming he's of its time, while ignoring his direct competitor was putting up 2020's QB numbers in the 80's. That has to be a ding against Montana.
@alexsolo4085
Жыл бұрын
No ding, stats don’t tell the whole story. If Marino was better, he would’ve beaten Montana that year or would’ve had at least one Super Bowl ring. He doesn’t. I don’t even think marino is top ten. There are other QBs that surpassed him
@HiNRGboy
Жыл бұрын
Montana had the best overall teams.. Put Marino on those 49ers teams and he's the one winning the superbowls. And I'm a Montana guy, I think he's #1...but those San Fran teams were as elite as they come. No one was stopping those teams.
@alexsolo4085
Жыл бұрын
Marino lost in the SB, he had a chance but when it came down to it he was not clutch whatsoever
@tonyklaas7654
Жыл бұрын
1. Brady 2. Marino 3. Montano 4. Manning 5. Elway….put them in any order. If you go off accomplishments then it’s Brady, Montana, Manning, Elway, Marino. If you go off who played QB the best it’s Marino, Manning, Brady, Montana, Elway
@marquisewalston377
Жыл бұрын
1:44 “If I played in this era I’d have 18,000 yards in 2 seasons.” -Keyshawn Johnson
@alexsolo4085
Жыл бұрын
Not that far off lol, just take a zero away
@justiningram9286
Жыл бұрын
@@alexsolo4085 that's pretty far off if you have to take a 0 away lol
@user-EB2016
Жыл бұрын
I've been saying this since after the 2020 SB win that Mahomes resume is currently on par with ARod. If he wins this year, that obviously changes. Max is being deceptive though, neither Key or Jay caught him flipping his argument from the top 5 all time to who's the better talent between Pat and John.
@JohnSmith-nm4zd
Жыл бұрын
Top 5 quarterbacks of all time: 1) Tom Brady 2) Joe Montana 3) Peyton Manning 4) Patrick Mahomes 5) Johnny Unitas
@rcdesigns
Жыл бұрын
I would LOVE for Key to pull an "I played in the NFL" card on me when it comes to debating Mahomes/Elway. Well I played college baseball and I can tell you a million reasons that PM>JE. Big whoop.
@tmot6714
Жыл бұрын
Currently, I have Mahomes 6-10. If he wins Sb MVP 1.Brady 2.Montana 3.Manning 4.Mahomes 5.Elway
@golumswag9627
Жыл бұрын
Top 5 in my opinion 1 Brady 2 Mahomes 3 Montana 4 Manning 5 Rodgers
@HiNRGboy
Жыл бұрын
I've watched all the QB's from the 80's on up...Elway is better than Mahomes
@rakheemaesthetic8783
Жыл бұрын
MAHOMES is definitely Top 5 !!!!
@stewartsearle6654
Жыл бұрын
Did Dan say he didn't pick Montana, because he never saw him play? Marino & Elway began their careers in 1983. Joe Montana became a starter in 1980. That's just 3 years before. What is he talking about?!
@cgpxae2119
Жыл бұрын
3 years is a lot in child years. He probably remembers 9-now better than 6-now
@whogg0521
Жыл бұрын
Git 'em!!! Love these dudes!!
@randybailin4902
Жыл бұрын
Max is always a prisoner of the moment. A week ago, a lot of people were saying that Burrow might be the best QB in the NFL. The Chiefs win and Mahomes is now the greatest QB who ever lived.
@bankyeubanks8352
Жыл бұрын
So this is an argument about stats. I look at the debate of GOAT totally different. If there was an all QB player draft, and all the teams were listed 1-32, who would be the picks in order. That to me, says that Montana would be down the list on top 5, Maybe even top 10. It's like when you play pick up sports in school. Do you pick the kid that has the best talent to help you win vs the kid who is 7-1 in games? My top, by drafting the best I'd pick in order. 1. Brady 2. Rodgers 3. Mahomet 4. Brees 5. Elway 6. Marino 7. Peyton 8. Montana 9. K. Warner 10. Unitas
@williamteal1677
Жыл бұрын
#1 Tom Brady #2 Joe Montana #3 John Elway #4 Troy Aikman #5 Peyton manning
@joesanchez979
Жыл бұрын
And I'm a Dan Marino lifetime fan
@RL-ww5ev
6 ай бұрын
Skill wise Elway is top 5. I'd say #5. Brady, manning, mahomes, montana and Elway
@ExilixE
Жыл бұрын
I got Joe Tom and Peyton in the top tier. Then I have Mahomes, Rodgers, Elway in the next tier. Then Marino
@Itsxmusic
Жыл бұрын
Some analysts want to wait until it’s obvious and some like to be ahead of the curve. Mahomes is better than Elway it’s not even a discussion.
@rcdesigns
Жыл бұрын
Number of career interceptions when they threw TD pass number 100: John Elway: 95 Eli Manning: 75 Peyton Manning: 69 Brett Favre: 65 Drew Brees: 63 Joe Montana: 54 Tom Brady: 53 Dan Marino: 44 Aaron Rodgers: 34 Patrick Mahomes: 19 It's safe to say Patrick is better than Elway. He's #3 right now behind Brady and Joe. TD/INT ratio, comp %, win %, QBR, are all things that translate between eras, and it's not close through 5 years as a starter. PM=Greatest through 5. Tom Brady is Bill Russell. Most accomplished QB of all time. Peyton is the best reg season QB of all time, JM is the best playoff QB of all time, and Patrick is coming for all of them and he's 27.
@gothard5
Жыл бұрын
Brady, Manning, Brees, Elway, Montana. Mahomes hasn’t been around long enough to even be considered top 5 all time even though he is going to his 3rd SB in 4 years. Greatest QB to have never won a SB? Kenny Anderson who should be in the HOF.
@Fatalfrostyt
Жыл бұрын
Patrick mahomes Two Super Bowls Two Super Bowl mvps Two season mvps
@dusan.stojanovic
Жыл бұрын
Mahomes may be top 5, but he still needs to play at least 10+ seasons in my mind, even if the ones that are left are average qb play, to get it. That means that he may be a lock for the top 5 all time. Still, counting what he has done so far is like saying that in the NBA Bill Walton should be top 5 all time.
@geraldelmore9278
Жыл бұрын
I agree with max on this one
@Saberwolves84
Жыл бұрын
It is amazing Keyshawn played in the NFL and knows so little about football
@tonypowerstroke
Жыл бұрын
Mahomes already has same amount of rings now with less years
@Thizlamic
Жыл бұрын
San Francisco checking in (We're talking literally at the footprint of where Candlestick used to be) . Did Joe ever lose a Superbowl???
@royhobbs5167
Жыл бұрын
Top five QB's all time... Brady, Manning, Elway, Brees, Marino. Mahomes could very well end up on this list but right now he just hasn't played long enough to accrue the stats, wins and awards.
@royhobbs5167
Жыл бұрын
There's ample argument for Rodgers on this list in place of Marino.
@AK-ACEx
Жыл бұрын
Take the emotion out of it, The list is perfect. I would just take Marino off and put Montana in
@RyanAllThingsPossible909
Жыл бұрын
If you're going by pure physical ability, like if you were physically building a quarterback: 1. Elway 2. Manning. 3. Marino 4. Mahomes 5. Favre If you're going by what I consider a great quarterback: late 4th quarter in the super bowl, biggest moment, who do you trust to make the right play, and be able to make the right play? 1. Brady 2. Montana 3. Rodgers 4. Mahomes 5. Elway
@rg3142
Жыл бұрын
Other professional athletes say the same thing Mahomes is better than Elway
@thecker12
Жыл бұрын
Keyshawn literally said Big Ben is better then Mahomes lmao
@ckaiborbor
Жыл бұрын
Y’all don’t gotta like it, but you gotta respect it. #15 is that guy. You can’t put Marino over Montana tho lol
@dennismumford6108
10 ай бұрын
The Top 5 are somewhat cut and dry. Brady, Brees, P.Manning, and Favre are the only QB's in history to throw over 500 TD Passes and over 70,000 yds. Passing. On top of that, they are the Top 4 on PFR's list of QB's that gave the most Value to their teams in the Regular Season. Now add in Montana and you have a great Top 5 with Rodgers and Mahomes gaining fast.
@dennismumford6108
10 ай бұрын
Plus they all played good enough to help their team win at least 1 S.B. game. That should be a minimum requirement for Top 5 or Top 10 status. They all "Reached the Pinnacle of Their Profession".
@handymandy20
Жыл бұрын
Mahomes is atleast 3
@mrshorts7167
Жыл бұрын
Joe Montana is a system quarterback to be honest. How do you have jerry rice who is considered a top 3 player and be considered a goat qb
@kevinbowen6182
Жыл бұрын
He also played in a ridiculously weak division.
@charbelabdallah5137
Жыл бұрын
Bro it is way to early to put Patrick that high
@Vargumedo24
Жыл бұрын
I like Mahomes. But he’s not up there. Yet. Hosted 5 AFC Championship but only has 1 SB win. That’s 20%.
@cgpxae2119
Жыл бұрын
Bruh he ain’t played one of the superbowls yet 😂and just making afc championship is still a feat
@gothamcity2291
Жыл бұрын
You could say the same thing about Aaron Rodgers. 10+ year career but only 1 SB appearance and win. At least Mahomes been there 2 more times
@adamlauben2279
Жыл бұрын
people sleeping on Dan Marino, he threw for 5000 yards and 48 td's in 1984! In today's game Marino would throw for 7000 yards.
@jonathanwatson1908
Жыл бұрын
Im taking Marino out and putting in Brees. What Brees did for the city of New Orleans surpasses what any other QB did for their city.
@SportsSpeak73
Жыл бұрын
Idk. Id take Mahomes over Elway. Elway was great but Mahomes peak thus far (cuz he may not even be in his peak yet) clears Elway's.
@mikeclark7026
Жыл бұрын
Peyton and Patrick are 1 and 2. After that, boy oh boy is there a log jam. Tom 7 asterisks isn’t part of that log jam by the way…
@JDA89
Жыл бұрын
Brady Brees Peyton Montana Mahomes....IDC about the order but these are the names
@claytonwoodbury4576
Жыл бұрын
Any list without Joe Montana is extremely flawed
@flounder4285
Жыл бұрын
To think in the future someone will eventually hit 100,000 career yards is crazy especially when you consider one of the goats (Joe Montana) has totaled 40k
@JohnSmith-up4yd
Жыл бұрын
Brady already hit 100K if you include the playoffs.
@viniciusmsousa
Жыл бұрын
No one played better than Patrick Mahomes. 😊
@bryanmahoney3434
Жыл бұрын
Also this very conversation is why it is easy to root against Patrick Mahomes
@abdullahiaffey8530
Жыл бұрын
U would root againt him Because he’s so good that he’s in this conversation? I guarantee ur also a lebron hater cuz of his greatness as well.
@zj4008
Жыл бұрын
You can’t even hold this against Mahomes all he does is go out a ball. He’s a great teammate, good dude. And the fact that this conversation is being had just shows how great he is right now
@abdullahiaffey8530
Жыл бұрын
@@zj4008 exactly. Same thing with lebron, he’s a great man that has given back so much to the community and never gets in trouble. But cuz of his greatness, he’s become the most hated athlete in America
@bryanmahoney3434
Жыл бұрын
@@zj4008 Nothing against him he is a great dude and player. But calling him top 5 ever right now only 5 years into his career is straight up disrespect to the tallest order to every Quarterback that has ever played in the NFL for a tenured amount of time. Guys that didnt have a cushy spot to walk into ready to win right away because he had a team that was already a mainstay playoff team. Troy Aikman and Peyton Manning walked into 2 of the absolute worst teams of all time when they were drafted, The 9ers were irrelevant until Montana came along. It took John Elway until his final 2 years to get his Super Bowl victories after 3 straight times of getting beaten down. Jim Kelly who led the Buffalo Bills to 4 straight Super Bowls. Which means he still has more AFC Championship victories over Mahomes. Big Ben had to overcome the onslaught that was the Colts, Patriots and Ravens to get to the dance and even succeeded a couple of times. I can go on for days. Patrick Mahomes talent level is top 5 but top 5 QB ever is a slap in the face to every single great player at the position who did it far longer and had a way harder road to get there
@bryanmahoney3434
Жыл бұрын
@@abdullahiaffey8530 Straight up only 5 years into the league on a team that was a mainstay playoff team when he was drafted to call him top 5 ever is a direct slap in the face to every single great tenured QB that ever played in the NFL. Newsflash not everyone of them walked into a cushy spot like Mahomes did. He brought them over the hump and kudos for that. Imagine if he got drafted to the Bengals like Burrow did a team that couldnt win a playoff game in decades. The Jaguars like Trevor Lawrence did that was coming off 2 of the absolute worst seasons in the league. I can go for days. BTW Lebron earned his place in sports history. One of the greatest NBA players ever who earned it over a long career. I will not say he is above Jordan but he is still a top 5 player ever regardless. I wasnt saying that year 5 of his career.
@RyanAllThingsPossible909
Жыл бұрын
Keyshawn forgetting how many Bronco seasons ended in disappointment, many times because Elway was trying to do too much. Could it be argued that Elway had to do a lot? Sure. But, put in those moments, until the last years of his career when his physical abilities lessened and he had a strong running game, Elway often forced the action, rather than end the play and live to fight another day
@Windupchronic
Жыл бұрын
Dan's list is also missing Otto Graham. If Brady and Montana have competition for greatest of all time from another era, it's Otto Graham. He still holds the career winning percentage record at .814, and literally played in the Championship game every single year he played, first with the AAFC (1946-49), and then the NFL (1950-55) after they merged. Ten straight years in the title game, going 7-3. The year before he entered the AAFC, while waiting for that season to begin, he played in the NBL (forerunner to the NBA) and won a championship with the Rochester Royals (now the Sacramento Kings). So, he technically went to 11 straight championships in two different sports and went 8-3 in titles.
@izzy9189
Жыл бұрын
What ? Otto Graham.... come on now, this is a reach . 🤣🤣🤣
@di8859
Жыл бұрын
There's too much recency bias in these lists: Otto Graham has to be in the top five, Bart Starr and Johnny Unitas also deserve consideration.
@CouchCit
Жыл бұрын
Good point. They're debating a GOAT of all-time list and in the same breath saying you can't consider players from all-time. It's laughable; and that's why they sound like your average Joes in a barbershop instead of sounding like professional sports analysts.
@oa8294
Жыл бұрын
Come on man. There’s a reason why bill Russell isn’t top 3 in nba debates. Obviously give those guys respect but they can’t be compared to guys from Montana forward
@darylpayne3292
Жыл бұрын
😂😂😂
@dajuanhackett5332
Жыл бұрын
It's really hard to compare past qbs to today's era, because the game is way easier today than it was in past decades.Just take a look at completion percentage in past compared to today's game. Qbs in today's game complete on average much higher percentage even average qbs, than in past decades. It is really easy to qb in today's NFL put up big numbers even average qbs because they can take the snap drop back in pocket and know for sure they're not taking any hits makes playing qb really easy like playing steady qb in street football.Qbs in past decades took very hard shots they played in real pressure, today It's no pressure playing qb when you know you're not allowed to get hit
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