I like that Destiny is humble enough to rethink things like this at his age. Most people are set in stone with their beliefs.
@wormsomaniak
Жыл бұрын
Soy alert. Wow he is so unique about changing his mind about religion as he got older! This is such a common phenomena its almost a cliche, mate look around, even on internet red pillers joke about women getting off ‘carousel’ and finding god later in their life. Its that common.
@gigabites809
Жыл бұрын
@@wormsomaniak ...Calm down?
@cartoonsandcereal3413
Жыл бұрын
@@wormsomaniak I'm just speaking from personal experience my dude.
@lightner6924
Жыл бұрын
Wtf you on about lol. This guy is a content creator..... He talks shit
@mobmeegoh
Жыл бұрын
@@wormsomaniak you got some problems pent up
@ggalluuu5133
2 жыл бұрын
The ritual I most enjoy is during camping in cold weather. Chopping wood first thing in the morning in the dead silence is something you cant describe. You know you have to do it if you want breakfast, coffee, or warmth. But the satisfaction you get from working for it makes it 10x better. Bit of a departure from waking up in your house where everything is done for you.
@khalipsia9140
2 жыл бұрын
I wanted to start doing this, how did you get started/choose a location/etc?!
@tbone6182
2 жыл бұрын
I think you hit it right on the mark. I think the feeling that Destiny is trying to describe is the self satisfaction of earning your rewards. Going to a movie, you have to get in a car, drive to the theater, buy a ticket, then you watch the movie. This is opposed to turning on the tv and watching a movie. There is more effort one has to put into when going to a movie theater than watching a movie in your undies. Since you put more effort in, you feel more rewarded when watching the movie. Similar to when you chop wood while camping, you had to work to earn your breakfast rather than making it in your microwave
@a.i.a3949
Жыл бұрын
Tbone got it right, tasks like that which require effort, inuput and also especially tasks that are directly linked to living or staying alive (such as having to chop wood to be able to eat) release dopamine. The best meal ive ever eaten was while i was staying in the woods for 4 days in November. I had stayed the first night with a friend and then off the cuff another friend called and said he'd come down in a few days, first friend went after the first night and i just stayed in the woods and got really hungry, because i had no food, so i dug up a bunch of burdock roots got some nettles and caught 2 small crayfish (crawdads or whatever if you live in the US) No salt just nettle, burdock and crayfish soup, at the time it tasted better than anything id ever eaten, Because of the circumstances and the effort that went into getting that food. Dopamine receptors go burrrrr
@Alone_and_Lonely
Жыл бұрын
@@khalipsia9140 get into bushcraft
@rashidnassermartinez646
2 жыл бұрын
Something destiny said was pretty accurate and it’s something a person told my fiancé, who’s Muslim and is “you’re lucky that you met Islam before you met Muslims”. Because damn, people that confuse culture with religion will ruin it very hard for you.
@hopeintruth5119
2 жыл бұрын
Religion is far more complicated. Looking at both. They have their clear flaws
@KrimzunFlare
Жыл бұрын
Wait, are you not Muslim?
@MzSoulll
Жыл бұрын
yes. and there really truly is a difference.
@off6848
Жыл бұрын
she should have said you’re lucky you just met this Muslim before Islam and gave him a burger
@rashidnassermartinez646
Жыл бұрын
@@off6848 huh ?
@bluj78
Жыл бұрын
What a relief to hear him more relaxed. Much better able to follow the good points he makes
@Bai_Su_Zhen
Жыл бұрын
You can also play him on 0.5x speed if you have trouble following.
@fgtherstywserjt5940
2 жыл бұрын
For the special experience part, it sounds like the criteria are: physical setting-specific, infrequent or unlikely to be frequent, and produces heightened positive states of mind before, during, and/or after the experience. For getting a physical copy of a game (compared to buying on steam) a series of physical locations is important (car-> game store -> car -> home), getting a game from a game store was likely infrequent as a child (or a game meriting the drive would be as an adult), and produces anticipation and excitement throughout the journey and afterwards. For the movie and the book examples you can fill these criteria too, I think most interestingly noting reading something physically in your hand is somehow different than something on a screen, and the physical setting of the movie is so important it's worth the effort of going to the theatre despite likely being what most could consider an objectively worse experience vs watching it in the comfort of your own home (people noises, smells, dirty, etc). If I had to guess, maybe the confluence of these three factors being uncommon in general subtly or subconsciously suggests you to value the experience more. Perhaps uncommon location + frequency + state of mind registers the event as in some way novel, and warrants more attention and provides more satisfaction than normal, compared to reading or watching something on the screen you spend 1/3+ of your life in front of, or the chair or couch you spend 1/3+ of your life sitting on just staving off boredom.
@evelezpuma
2 жыл бұрын
Always love seeing more content here!
@entropicflux8849
Жыл бұрын
when a person realizes that religion isn't actually talking about an invisible best friend, it suddenly becomes a much much more useful tool set.
@spencerbuck1074
Жыл бұрын
I've been an atheist for five years but I encountered Catholic theology recently and I've found it to be a stunningly competent thing, way more than I was expecting. I still have questions but now I really have something to grapple with.
@entropicflux8849
Жыл бұрын
@@spencerbuck1074 atheists love catholic theory because of it's roots in greek philosophy. i'm glad to hear that you're understanding what they're trying to say a little better now, and i hope you'll remember to carry your atheist's tools with you wherever you go from here: you'll still need 'em.
@meneither3834
Жыл бұрын
The problem is that many christians do think of it like that.
@kansmansen8609
Жыл бұрын
Religion is still cringe regardless
@kansmansen8609
Жыл бұрын
@@spencerbuck1074 Cringe
@MrJpc1234
2 жыл бұрын
I went through a similar track...I used to be anti religion and yes I will keep my old skepticism and logic but I can respect how religion has functioned and contributed to history from its philosophical thought to art to just providing a story to people
@bluemagic4381
2 жыл бұрын
You keep going back to this “rEliGiOn hAs coNtRbuTed tO mAkiNg pEopLe hAvE mEanInG” It has not. Religious people are delusional they might tell you its helped but it hasent. If religion never existed You would see zero fucking change to how people act today and their desires. People don’t go in their mind and think of religion every single fucking time someone wants or does an action. Its more of a comfort thing that explains why people do what they do. They get a dopamine rush for doing something new. (Nothing to do with religion) And with that dopamine rush they start to engage in that activity. And since a human engages in an activity they enjoy they can expand on that activity which can lead to you liking something you never would have expected because some activities share things in common and that alone can drive people. Sometimes people can hate something and that can drive you. And after you have experienced most things all the things you liked will be added together and you will lean towards doing actions to get you the outcomes you liked. At no fucking point was the fairy tale useful or needed. And the only reason you guys think it helped is because it was there and its an easy answer to say.
@MrRhurbarb
2 жыл бұрын
Rabidly anti-religious people, in my experience, are pretty much the same kind of intolerant, arrogant bigots as hectoring evangelists. Extremists on the whole suck.
@OdinWannaBe
2 жыл бұрын
religion is for me the first form of social science, it helped humanity to be structured, we have much to learn from it.
@SuperSpectrom
2 жыл бұрын
I think it's just age and wisdom that makes you think that. You are now understanding things from a more mature standpoint.
@bluemagic4381
Жыл бұрын
@@OdinWannaBe Yea this is just wrong and delusional. The same reasons human come together and work together is the same fucking reason other species come together and work together. You think a pack of wolves are thinking about god? LMAO.
@kevinarriaza1951
Жыл бұрын
been waitin for this day. 🙏
@kaidone1
2 жыл бұрын
He reads one book. Changes his mind. Not even the bible
@MrMango331
2 жыл бұрын
He's read the bible
@osama7639
2 жыл бұрын
The Bible is openly corrupted anyone with half a brain knows that look it up genius worst source
@justanothertable
2 жыл бұрын
@@EudaimoniaEntdecken Guts by Chuck Palahniuk
@bladddeesa
2 жыл бұрын
@@EudaimoniaEntdecken Not that bro. Don't look that up.
@CRWeaventure
2 жыл бұрын
Our ancestors did a SHIT load of psychedelics. Not surprising that many people around the world came up with religion
@mikegribanov6105
Жыл бұрын
Its funny when i was in middle school/high school i was the only one of the "rationality nerds" in my friend group that wasn't a hardened atheist. But now that we are all in our 30s they are all much more appreciative and open to religion. Meanwhile, I've actually gotten more atheist if anything (although i still pray, i find it helps me a lot. I think the "rational" explanation is its just my personal form of meditation).. Either I'm way ahead or way behind.
@Alfalfa88888
2 жыл бұрын
i always thought its good to involve yourself more with a thing rather than just the part that gives dopamin. like, rather than watching re zero, i pause every now and then to try and understand whats happening and come up with theorys that would explain things
@joshmeyers372
Жыл бұрын
Very wise of you to be open to this perception
@daveywood7138
Жыл бұрын
The perfect "magical feeling example" is what it feels like to learn how to ride a bike and riding it for the 15th year. You might still enjoy it but you'll never get that experience once it's gone or not being used
@sapparino8993
2 жыл бұрын
You should check out some commentary from Paul vanderklay and Paul Anleitner. I love the way they break down Christianity and respond to atheism compared to pop-christianity. It’s a breath of fresh air, and I think for non-Christian’s it can be encouraging as well.
@retyifourthree6929
Жыл бұрын
i think the special thing about buying games in person is that you have to work for it a little bit and put some time in to get it. every human being feels good about themselves after they do some type of work or accomplishment, no matter how minor. also just being around people feels very valuable to me, even if we don’t interact.
@lookingelsewhere
Жыл бұрын
I’d trade watching a movie at home for a movie theater screening any day. A great experience and feeling.
@sean6088
Жыл бұрын
Same! Going to the cinema engages so many parts of the human experience
@Postcinct
2 жыл бұрын
Destiny, you're hitting on a lot of points the founder of philosophical Pragmatism William James did in regards to religion. I know nobody reads, but check out his 'Varieties of Religious Experience', as well as the philosophical schools of 'Fideism' and 'Reformed Epistemology'. James' position is that religious experiences seem to be an omnipresent aspect of the human experience, and that even rational actors can be stumped by them. As a psychologist, he wanted to work out what exactly was going on. He made sure to note two things, there is a difference between faith in doctrine, which he considered to be rote indoctrination, as it was merely the sociocultural lens through which religious experience and faith was magnified and structured around, and faith in personal experience with what one considers to be the divine. What you're hitting on when you say that 'there's something there' that can't just be irrational belief is what James termed 'over-belief', that is, insofar as religious understanding begets positive outcomes in the world, it makes sense for faith and reason to become separated; just as one can't falsify solipsism or the controlling demon, one who has undergone personal revelation can't falsify the experience, even if they understand it to be irrational. With this is of course the aforementioned understanding that religious institutions are probably pretty dangerous for spreading uncritical belief in doctrine and history that we know to be incorrect, but James is still quick to highlight that the individual, mystical experience should be analyzed and dwelled upon if we wish to gain a greater insight into this area. There are still some pitfalls with this mode of thinking, but I do believe it's what you're getting at in this video.
@ArisenMind
2 жыл бұрын
Great comment but even when I was religious and I, unlike other former christians, had a pretty fucking good time being religious, I never had a religious experience. Many of us don't hence why, for me at least, it just seems like some fuckery happening in the brain versus an actual physical aspect that is occurring in our dimension.
@askers_
2 жыл бұрын
You know this isn't his channel and he doesn't read comments.
@yo5947
2 жыл бұрын
@@askers_ no, I dont think he does
@brodude9208
2 жыл бұрын
Interesting stuff
@parkjob
Жыл бұрын
Thanks for this
@bean-pod
2 жыл бұрын
I think the "feeling" Destiny mentioned of buying a new game at a brick-mortar store may be a form of sensory stimulation and mood benefits you get from new experiences, meeting actual humans, the shopping "experience" and gratification of getting a physical object. There is something to be said about holding the game in your bare hands rather then owning a "virtual" one.
@LtDeadeye
2 жыл бұрын
I felt the same way about music records, cassettes and CDs.
@SeyidAr
2 жыл бұрын
I think there is also something about having to work for it. Like buying a game on steam is instantaneous gratification versus buying it at a store which will take you a while. A cold coke tastes much better if you worked out before and are dehydrated than just drinking it whenever you want.
@SeyidAr
2 жыл бұрын
@@capilah6285 True, i don't know what it is but sometimes it even tastes sweet.
@amazin7006
2 жыл бұрын
It's a whole intimate feeling that everyone has. Its why online communication could never replace real life interactions. You get entirely different nuerochems released
@Crispman_777
Жыл бұрын
@@SeyidAr Sweet? Might want to check your pipes for lead poisoning. It's a serious health risk.
@MrClockw3rk
Жыл бұрын
The contradiction you are noticing is not in the concepts themselves, but in the differences between people, and how likely they are to be locked into different patterns of thinking.
@bullrun2772
10 ай бұрын
It’s the concept itself
@blondetapperware8289
Жыл бұрын
"you have to get past the people and look to the teachings. . ." My man knows what's up. That's how you actually evaluate a belief or theory.
@Unnamed12347
2 жыл бұрын
the weekly episode thing is absolutely true and something we need more of. Im glad shows like the boys are bringing it back and the new game of thrones house of the dragon will hopefully be the same.
@Unnamed12347
2 жыл бұрын
@Blue Trygve yeah :)
@harryfieldson
2 жыл бұрын
One of the most amazing feelings was taking the plastic off a game case. My fucking god you just peel that sucker off and get the smell of the paper booklet inside and you're beyond hyped for your new game.
@MC_heart4
Жыл бұрын
It is actually hilarious. when Destiny is talking about "internal carving of one's character", this is literally what virtue ethicists are saying when you should instill the virtues in you so you will act well. and he shits on it before describing it.
@matthewsocoollike
Жыл бұрын
I was literally thinking that while he was saying it. Lmao I’m glad someone else noticed
@MC_heart4
Жыл бұрын
@@matthewsocoollike It really is sad when you realize that Destiny knows this stuff better than 99% of people solely by reading the wikipedia, yet he literally knows none of it
@chickenandksivideoreviewer9739
Жыл бұрын
I had a similar change of heart earlier this year
@Nick_Pee
2 жыл бұрын
This might be my favorite arc
@Killerkiki313
Жыл бұрын
I hope Destiny makes a list of modern day rituals or comes up with some new stuff. I’m currently trying to invent some of my own to make life feel more exciting and meaningful.
@crimsoncross8823
Жыл бұрын
The movie theater take was spot on for me, I really hope movie theaters don’t cease to exist anytime soon…..
@alvegutt42
Жыл бұрын
people interpret spiritual texts very varied. seems like the result is more up to the person
@malikshabazz2065
2 жыл бұрын
good stuff :-)
@DudokX
2 жыл бұрын
He literally did change his mind on this 3 years ago after listening to Sean Carroll's podcast with the black youth pastor guy that became atheist. This is where he got his ideas about importance of rituals in secular society.
@notbob6922
2 жыл бұрын
Do you have a link to that? Sounds interesting, can't find it.
@tylerbranch7524
Жыл бұрын
Matt dillahunty's explanation for the 1 person to save 3 predicament is well being, and the fact that most people strive for it.
@madmanthepope6448
2 жыл бұрын
Isn't this what Nietzsche was trying to get at , Nietzsche rejects the Christian God, he is not 'anti-religious. ' Rather, Nietzsche is a religious thinker precisely because he adopts Schopenhauer's analysis of religion as an intellectual construction that addresses the existential problems of pain and death, and gives authority to community-creating ethos.
@myself2noone
Жыл бұрын
18:00 it's a delayed dopamine response. You get a hit of dopamine when you delay a stimulus then even more when you actually get the thing that your working for.
@cunk1020
Жыл бұрын
you hit the nail on the head with the convenience of things ruins the ritual and the feelings you get. I think its simply our evolution being artificially modified by the times and whats going on. same with info, clearly some people are not ready for certain ideas but get told them from others without the context of figuring it out yourself.
@thesnatcher3616
3 ай бұрын
I guess so. People don't just want to "survive" which I feel is convenience. We want to "live". Quoted from my favorite pixar movie lol
@Cylonick
2 жыл бұрын
it's not delayed gratification. It's the building of anticipation and the calming effect of having secured that future experience/sure thing. Nothing bad is going to happen, you are going to experience this thing that you've been wanting, and now you're just passing time until it happens... but you're passing time in the presence of that thing that is going to facilitate the experience. (waiting in the theater, picking up new physical media/tech still in the box and then driving home with it, etc)
@HolyWarrior1
2 жыл бұрын
Wrong… so wrong. Christians worship a tortured man on a cross AND that is the best thing to happen in history. It is KNOWING bad things are going to happen and accepting it. That suffering can be decreased by delayed gratification, or chastity and sobriety. Unless I’m reading you wrong.
@Cylonick
2 жыл бұрын
@@HolyWarrior1 you must be reading the comment wrong. In the context of what he's talking about in the video, I have no clue what you're going on about here. I'm specifically talking about the special experience part of the vid.
@wormengine
2 жыл бұрын
I think the biggest one for most people has got to be the feeling of walking home from school (especially on friday) knowing you have your own time ahead
@sgonzo5572
2 жыл бұрын
I was an atheist. A real atheist not that " soft atheist" crap. But then I had a dream of a angel saving me when I was stuck in complete darkness floating in the sky. The Angel turned out to be a same person I had a dream of when I was about 5. The dream when I was small was of a giant flood in ancient greek like times. The buildings had columns like greek buildings. And people wore togas. During the flood I was with my current mother and the face changed to another face. The angel in the other dream had a blur face and changed to the other face from the dream in the flood. I am agnostic now ever since that dream.
@BruceTheScout
2 жыл бұрын
I see a lot of comments that seem to equate “Destiny changing his mind on religion” to being “Destiny believes in the existence of a god” which if you watched the video isn’t true. It kinda seems to me like him changing his mind is just him saying that people that engage in religion do receive some benefits from doing so, that’s all.
@mauzki-
2 жыл бұрын
Yeah he's talking about the social, cultural and philosophical influence, eg taking the inspiration from the gita on elements like duty.
@KrimzunFlare
Жыл бұрын
He’s agnostic though. So he doesn’t believe or disbelieve in God.
@supremekhy6753
Жыл бұрын
It's a slippery slope. Next he'll sing songs of christ
@off6848
Жыл бұрын
@@supremekhy6753 noise glitch for Christ
@thesnatcher3616
3 ай бұрын
He seems to be saying that perhaps religion isn't as stupid and bad for people as much as some people say it is. It seems to be going along the lines of "friendly atheism", where said atheist appreciates the values religion brings and trying to find common ground with said indivduals while remaining unconvinced overall. A similar situation will be a Christian adopting the belief that atheists can be good people and that a lot of said are genuinely unconvinced and don't "stay in their atheism cause they just want to sin", all the while still retaining their belief in salvation via Christ and all that jazz.
@sierrapepin
2 жыл бұрын
When is the LS/SB/NJF pod/debate dropping? Heard it was sometime this week.
@themaddie
2 жыл бұрын
I'm just chillin.
@swickens930
Жыл бұрын
Interesting. I didn't know CS Lewis used this analogy. I've also used a statue analogy to reference character. I had a disagreement with a friend once who asked me "can someone ever truly become a different person?" And I said "No." My reasoning was that a person who was a certain way might change their actions, but they are still bound to their past. So if I'm an alcoholic and quit alcohol, I'm not the same as someone who has been sober their whole life. Even though we both do not drink at all in this moment, I still have a history of alcoholism and they don't. This means we have different characters. The only way I got him to agree was because I said this: "Think of two statues. They are exactly the same statue and you cannot tell them apart from eachother. Accept one is made of White marble and one is made of White clay."
@MissPopuri
Жыл бұрын
That’s more along the line of conversion. Someone doesn’t have to touch alcohol for whatever reason to remain completely sober, and the other has to touch the drink, taste the drink, and be swallowed up in a consumption that could kill you. It could be compared to the eating of the apple (or whatever the forbidden fruit was that granted such knowledge) in the Garden or knowing the intimacy of a lover. I read one of the saints named Catherine of Siena’s biographies who talks about being a great uniter of the Catholic Faith during a time when Three Men were claiming to be Pope. She also didn’t really know how to write or read before she performed such miracles.
@swickens930
Жыл бұрын
@@MissPopuri I guess what I'm saying isn't as religious as what you were implying but I appreciate the response. What I was saying was that individual human nature can only be trained, and controlled, not changed. I am also a firm believer that the nature of a person is defined by whatever happens between ages 1-6, and everything is a game of catch-up from there.
@septimus378
Жыл бұрын
17:54 it’s not so much the ritual but it’s the pause, buildup, and anticipation of/between those dopamine rushes.
@Dystisis
Жыл бұрын
that is a ritual, and the dopamine theory is bunk
@daveywood7138
Жыл бұрын
@13:50 if this had a high def animation of like idk just a scenery in the night it would slap
@SovereignSmurf
Жыл бұрын
HIs phrasing is a little weird, but I agree overall. I'd actually go a step further and say that everything you do and every decision you make slowly shapes who you are, not some metaphysical statue of yourself, but you as a person, physically and mentally.
@nemesis9410
2 жыл бұрын
The ends do justify the memes
@RardTangler
Жыл бұрын
I know exactly what Destiny is talking about, the indescribable feelings we get with ritualistic behavior associated with rewards. Maybe the disconnect is chat’s demographic. I’m not sure how old Destiny is, but I’d wager he’s relatively close to my age(38). We were both analog and digital kids. Whatever we gained in the digital era, it cost us something of equal value.
@MissPopuri
Жыл бұрын
I was thinking Destiny was closer to 29-32 range like some of the other dudes I’ve seen struggling with this. Five years is massive when you are kids, but it doesn’t feel so bad when you get older.
@shad8w
2 жыл бұрын
I have also changed my opinion on religion. #notacult
@raxxtv1998
2 жыл бұрын
Lul I’ve been spiritual since before finding destiny. It’s always been one of the biggest things I’ve disagreed with him on.
@Red88Rex
2 жыл бұрын
Lolwut
@Paradoxonification
Жыл бұрын
Only difference between religion and cults is the size
@raxxtv1998
Жыл бұрын
@@Paradoxonification Not necessarily. With religions, the leader is typically legendary or long dead. But this is pretty irrelevant I’ll admit. The major difference I would say is a focus on spirituality and personal growth rather than serving the cult leader. Sure, Christianity has a lot of language that implies that the main goal is to serve the leader (god, Jesus), but really those are metaphors for personal growth and spiritual connection. It’s very similar to Buddhism, just clothed in the language of Judaism. “Giving yourself up to god” or “putting your life in gods hands” is a metaphor for letting go of the ego, and being at one with the senses and the world around you, and flowing with it rather than trying to control it. Something like Taoism doesn’t even really have a god. Buddhism is largely secular. Hinduism has a lot of myths and stories which are intended to get you in tune with your consciousness and be content with life. Same with Christianity Islam, and Judaism (although the abrahamic faiths do appear to be more explicitly cultish on true surface). So yeah, there are big differences between religions and cults. Religions like Scientology and jehovas witness function very similarly to cults though.
@wakkablockablaw6025
Жыл бұрын
Thanks man. My people are finally understood.
@ThomasJDavis
Жыл бұрын
It's the dogmatism that's working for people. It gives people peace of mind and a sense of resoluteness such that they don't have to put cognitive effort towards making sure they're not wrong about something. They just live in the certainty.
@avivastudios2311
Жыл бұрын
I love it when atheists admit the goodness in religion. Thank you Destiny.
@lewdchew
Жыл бұрын
The word is excitement.
@enders-
Жыл бұрын
its meaning. when you can just buy a game on steam or watch a movie on your other monitor, it doesnt mean as much. its just there. nothing went into it, you can just do it. if you go on a journey, have to convince your parents to buy it for you and take you to the store, or the movie theater, it means more. meaning is why religion exists, otherwise how could people make sense of a world without meaning
@sarinat3101
2 жыл бұрын
I never understood coming out of religion and then adopting the position that religion is entirely a hoax, or entirely a scam. I thought it was obvious to everyone coming out of it that religion was essentially Human_Understanding 1.0. It was literally the best we could do to understand a confusing world before newer methods of investigation came along, and it served a dual purpose of fostering community. But because it's inherently based on superstition, it comes with a huge host of problems that a cleaner understanding of reality can help alleviate.
@Lineyakitty
2 жыл бұрын
I think a lot of people come out of religion as a teenager so they probably don't have the best understanding of this at that time.
@SergeofBIBEK
Жыл бұрын
Well it's rough because the people in power that are doing supernatural things... they know they aren't actually doing supernatural things. The people at the top know they aren't actually talking to a higher power... yet the push that narrative and deceive intentionally. It's totally reasonable to view it as a fraud, hoax, or scam. Maybe the sales people at the bottom truly believe, but the people in charge know better.
@SizzleD61
Жыл бұрын
I don't think its quite right to describe religion as just a primitive way to understand the world before we began utilizing science. The main use of religion is in dealing with things that science cannot, such as morality and ethics as well as things we do not understand. As hard as you might try, you will never create as strong of a moral code from secularism as you would from religion.
@sarinat3101
Жыл бұрын
@@SizzleD61 Thanks for reply, minor effort post incoming: "I don't think its quite right to describe religion as just a primitive way to understand the world before we began utilizing science." You're not contradicting me, you're arguing against something I didn't say. I said religion was essentially Human Understanding 1.0. I mean religion was our way of understanding EVERYTHING, both scientific and philosophical. Where does the sun go at night? (science question) Must be a god (religious answer). Why should I be nice to the family that lives next to me? (moral question) Because a god said so (religious answer). Both of these things relate to our understanding of the world. You're just assuming I am only talking about scientific understanding when I am not. "The main use of religion is in dealing with things that science cannot, such as morality and ethics as well as things we do not understand." Sure, now. But religion has existed for thousands of years, and a huge amount of it WAS used to answer scientific questions. What do you think a "creation myth" is? It's a religious explanation for physical reality. Literally hundreds of religions have stories or parables that provide supernatural explanations for natural phenomena. But now, with scientific explanations intellectually outpacing religious ones in testability and predictive power, religion likes to draw a hard line and say "well we only do the spiritual stuff, and science has to stay over there". So this point only works if you ignore all of religions' failed attempts to explain science, which are numerous. "As hard as you might try, you will never create as strong of a moral code from secularism as you would from religion." Your "strong moral code" you get from religion is literally a castle built on sand. It rests on an entirely baseless assertion that you've somehow escaped the limitations of human understanding by virtue of magic. You have a strong moral code because of God A. The man across the street has an equally strong moral code from God B. He disagrees with you about some moral question, and now you're stuck forever because both of your foundations rest on "because my God said so". At least as a secular person I can admit that I have to base my worldview on certain presuppositions I can't justify. But I can work with common human goals like "not enjoying suffering" and "living a prosperous, happy life" that 99% of other humans also share to build moral frameworks that other people will feel incentivized to buy into. The God framework just pretends it's not as faulty as mine because of magic, while also being totally rigid and not adaptive to new situations that arise all the time. I don't find that to be "strong" in any sense of the word.
@wakkablockablaw6025
Жыл бұрын
@@sarinat3101 If I may jump in, I see a few fallacies in your reply. I can't really speak for all religions people but Christians don't use the word "magical" to describe God or his deeds. We use words like power/powerful. It's an important distinction because "magic" is a strawman that implies there is no scientific bases as to how God can perform his incredible actions. I'm not saying that you are intentionally strawmanning, I just wanted to clear that up. As for what you said about a secular framework, the issue is that the foundation isn't really there. Sure, you can rationalize a common shared moral framework however, you can also just as easily rationalize a totally selfish nihilistic framework. A secular person can easily justify the claim that "I only have one life, I might as well spend that life deriving as much pleasure as possible regardless of other people's moral position." So anything is on the table as long as they can get away with it, to maximize pleasure. I understand that all religions are unverifiable. Therefore, it's hard to trust an ancient book on all moral questions and apply those morals in our era. The thing is, there's good aspects to having unchanging scripture. One good thing is that no one's value as a person is questioned. If there's a person that is blind, deaf, mentally disabled, a vegetable, etc. Under a religious worldview, that person is seen as valuable by virtue of their personhood. I could give more examples but I feel like I've said enough. Do you agree/disagree?
@loworochi
2 жыл бұрын
14:56 this is almost like the philosophy of simulacrum or hyper reality. Which is where things lose their meaning and represent themselves (e.g. onions, onion rings, funyuns, funyun x lays collab)
@anguswilson1724
2 жыл бұрын
This has basically nothing to do with hyperreality
@loworochi
2 жыл бұрын
@@anguswilson1724 it doesn’t?
@HeardThirteen
2 жыл бұрын
I think you’re reaching for the term post-modernism.
@chiron9536
2 жыл бұрын
When i went to see the DBS broly movie in theaters it was literally magical....but when i just watch all of Jojo Stone ocean in one day on Netflix.i liked it but definitely missed the lack of build up (the 7 day wait) definitely reduced the episode to episode anticipation
@joshhoward4256
Жыл бұрын
We’ll, I’m convinced. My new religion is I go to the movie theater more
@graydhd8688
Жыл бұрын
Just before 8 minutes, how is massage therapy placebo lol. It's usually done in accordance with physical therapy and the combo undoubtedly is effective for recovery from certain injuries.
@j.r.r.tolkien8724
Жыл бұрын
His debate with Daniel Haqiqatjou contributed to this change for sure.
@crisnoria3757
Жыл бұрын
The true understanding of philosophy brings you right back to God.
@ProfessorProstate
Жыл бұрын
Trueeeee
@jonas6120
Жыл бұрын
But not the personfied/embodied God. Rather the concept of God
@boshamburger123
Жыл бұрын
Yes and no. Edit: wait comment above said it. It’s more god on the conceptual level
@MandieCat
2 жыл бұрын
Ready for a Christian arc tbh
@JeremyWashington1489
Жыл бұрын
That would be so based. I want him to save his soul.
@Roonlovesfish3874
Жыл бұрын
🤣🤣🤣
@MrJenpaul123
Жыл бұрын
This is just maturity in a nutshell.
@improvementpaul3865
Жыл бұрын
He's correct here about "rituals". And 100% correct about people with a pleasure button.
@Wimyanners
2 жыл бұрын
prepare for the readytoharvest/unlearn the lies arc
@user-ky8ym7le9m
2 жыл бұрын
Isn’t the chiseling analogy just Aristotle’s ethics?
@mikasasukasa4479
2 жыл бұрын
Destiny is reminding me more and more of Jordan Peterson lol especially with this take.
@Voljinable
2 жыл бұрын
Old peterson was quite good when he talked about what he is an expert in, so i hope to get a new JP, because he fell off hard and turned sour. A new compassionate speaker would be great
@mikasasukasa4479
2 жыл бұрын
@@Voljinable can you really blame the dude after all the hate hes gotten through the years? i certainly dont agree with his politics but ill always listen when he talks about psychology
@cartoonsandcereal3413
2 жыл бұрын
@@Voljinable Yeah its kind of sad. I used to be a huge Peterson fan boy now it seems like he has a chip on his shoulder. His older lectures on psychology, religion, etc. really changed my perspective.
@jeremias-serus
2 жыл бұрын
@@mikasasukasa4479 dunno about the hate, but blowing up your brain with Clonazepam was probably a major contributor
@Mike-xz9dg
Жыл бұрын
Spite driven destiny at it again
@--omni--
2 жыл бұрын
Destiny should read the CTMU
@damx9385
Жыл бұрын
24:00 i just started watching breaking bad for the first time. hopefully its pog
@ecence1337
Жыл бұрын
Christianity isn't about rituals though, it's literally about a man who claimed to be the God of Abraham in the flesh, was literally crucified by his own people for making that claim. His followers claim to have eye witnessed him risen from the dead, and were then willing to go out to the corners of the globe to tell people about it. Many even executed for it. At the end of the day, if your willing to accept that it is actual history, then you need to make a decision on who you believe Jesus is. He was either a lunatic and his followers made up a bunch of stuff, or he is God, in which case, what he said has got to be pretty important. Don't let someone else spoon feed you the answer.
@madmanthepope6448
2 жыл бұрын
Thus Spoke Zarathustra's meaning is ambiguous by design. No thesis is offered unequivocally; one of the apparent goals of the work is to propose that values are a challenge to be met joyfully rather than a system of rules to be memorized and obeyed. Destiny's trying to find Zarathustra.
@damnbrothatsinsane2837
2 жыл бұрын
august please post the rum1n8 conversation, he talks about this with him
@Jack91790
Жыл бұрын
He changed his mind again a few days later lmao
@MrJenpaul123
Жыл бұрын
It's actually funny that money is actually just an immaterial value and having power over others, and virtue ethics is actually just the same as that concept. Except money carve into a character, and virtue is carved into a character.
@lmbaseball15
2 жыл бұрын
Look into evolutionary psychology. Ppl can have euphoric feelings listening to songs in a group. Concerts and church. Praying, the part of the brain talking to yourself lights up. And lots of more atheistic society functions happily without faith.
@Pancakegr8
2 жыл бұрын
Yeah there are underlying parts of church that are appealing, like music and community.
@taxthesocialist2602
Жыл бұрын
Like how the USSR functioned when the commies took over? The communists unleashed terror far more evil than the previous rulers and Russian Orthodox church ever did. It's hilarious how those "happy countries" that are atheist are always European ones😂
@off6848
Жыл бұрын
Atheism can’t compete without a set prescribed moral system. I can go to a new church and talk their language meet new people I know aren’t going to screw me over and if they do I can rebuke them with Gospel. Atheism doesn’t have that and I notice most explicitly atheistic spaces always have a wolf running the show someone anti moralistic that saw an opening to the top
@Pancakegr8
Жыл бұрын
@@off6848 You can enforce moral principles without the fear of god, since most people don’t like social exclusion or being punished for breaking laws. But I must admit it is nice having religion as a sort of filter for people who may do scumbag tactics that aren’t easily punishable by law.
@abraxasfraxinus7744
Жыл бұрын
It took destiny over 30 years to come to this thought.
@seth1782
Жыл бұрын
Total Groyper victory
@YovanypadillaJr
Жыл бұрын
There's a video between a Catholic Trent Horn and Digital Gnosis that talk about Catholicism. You should check it out.
@christophergallagher3721
Жыл бұрын
As a conservative Catholic, I can agree with most of what Destiny said here.
@septimus378
Жыл бұрын
The empathy arc
@DexxxxT
Жыл бұрын
This would explain the C.S Lewis book Nick spotted in his room, that's a point he makes 😉
@ninjycoon
2 жыл бұрын
Should talk to Dr. K about this
@amirmirzaei3940
2 жыл бұрын
the way destiny says eesslam is always funny to me lol 10:53 for an example
@Cashout95
2 жыл бұрын
He says Islam, thats how its supposed to be said.
@amirmirzaei3940
2 жыл бұрын
@@Cashout95 bro, you're talking to a middle eastern lol
@Cashout95
2 жыл бұрын
@@amirmirzaei3940 and?
@amirmirzaei3940
2 жыл бұрын
@@Cashout95 and don't you think that means I know more about how to pronounce that word than him?
@Cashout95
2 жыл бұрын
@@amirmirzaei3940 If you learn it from someone who uses it regularly, you don’t need your «expertise». He says it the way people (also Muslims), in nordic countries would say it.
@samueluzenabb9985
2 жыл бұрын
The Download process on steam has kinda replaced the go buy feeling for me sure it aint as mystikal but ive also grown older so everything feels a bit duller
@briano9397
Жыл бұрын
Absolutely true every word. He's growing and I'm proud
@mcblu9344
2 жыл бұрын
Bring tjump on to talk to about this. The super straight dude…I’d like to hear this
@tylercsm4690
2 жыл бұрын
It sounds like he took that guys advice and watched some Anthony Magnabosco content. Nice.
@chinemeremohaeri9100
Жыл бұрын
If he is someone who actually rethinks, this video wouldn't exist. Are you telling me that he just happened to research religion for the first time? Incredible.
@mixedbyap
Жыл бұрын
Oh man… how the mighty have fallen
@paromanin
Жыл бұрын
"something there thats working" is much different than something being true.
@jkhub277
Жыл бұрын
But why accept that its not true when you can’t disprove it ,a person of faith can’t prove that theirs a god but an atheist can’t disprove it. To simply accept the fact that there can’t be a god is ignorant and narrow minded in the way i see it.
@zeekawesomecus917
2 жыл бұрын
I agree with a lot of this, except for the waiting for weekly episodes rather than binge watching a series. There is a lot of anime that imo having to wait weekly vs binge watching kinda ruins the experience. Having a whole week pass by ruins the suspense of what's going to happen next. Typically this is only true for shorter, more fast paced shows. Its somewhat comparable to sitting down to watch a movie, pausing halfway through, and picking it back up a week later. The only benefit I can see to watching something weekly as its being released, is the social aspect of discussing episodes with other people like Destiny said. Except I don't think that necessarily is impossible to do without watching on release. Its just much easier to do as there is more interest in it on release. But by watching weekly rather than bingeing, you're giving up a lot of that short burst of suspense that can make a show really interesting to watch.
@TheWaross
2 жыл бұрын
If a show isn't good enough for you to keep coming back to it week after week, it wasn't good enough to binge either. It simply fooled you into consuming it like you do with low quality fast food. It was a quick dopamine fix.
@zeekawesomecus917
2 жыл бұрын
@@TheWaross it's not about the show not being good enough, if anything it's the show being good but ruined by ending episodes in the middle of suspenseful moments. Cliff hangers imo are such a cheap and unfulfilling way to keep an audience coming back for more episodes. They ruin the moment for me, but they work because they make you want to know what's going to happen next. I'd rather be fulfilled and go through the whole conflict, climax, resolution and the show being good alone makes me want to come back for more episodes. So I guess it's not really about the episodes coming out weekly, more so the annoying formula every mainstream media show uses.
@pellelindtner3488
Жыл бұрын
I agree. With some kind of shows it works well, with others i don't think it does. Better Call Saul is a recent example, and i think that show would be better if they released it all at once. Perhaps some kind of middle way could be created where you release a few episodes a week or something.
@penguin1969
Жыл бұрын
As a religious person, I appreciate athiests who respect religion. But it is disappointing too, because they'll pat it on the back from afar and acknowledge some of its benefits, but they won't engage in it in order to keep the institutions functional for future generations. Please, if you can humble yourself enough to accept some aspects of faith, find a community to build that with. Churches, synagogues, mosques, all worship centers really need members. I'm sure you could find some that aren't insane fundamentalist cults.
@synchronium24
2 жыл бұрын
Destiny having a (mild) Jordan Peterson arc.
@TheMessengerMichael
Жыл бұрын
Also Destiny, bro, Catholicism isn't the same as the Bible teaches if you read it. Catholicism and protestant Christians are way different in many ways. Personal reading of a kjv Bible will give you your own understanding. Rather than a big relious church, people will gain a new perspective.
@narutofan4545
2 жыл бұрын
I'm literally so happy he's getting this spiritual stuff now I wanna talk to him
@abraxasfraxinus7744
Жыл бұрын
"spiritual stuff" yeah man sounds like you've experienced serious depth...lmao
@narutofan4545
Жыл бұрын
@@abraxasfraxinus7744 informed people can't say stuff? I met you don't even so a daily hour meditdtion, coward.
@Panthro-lo2lh
Жыл бұрын
Inching further and further right. I wonder how long before he embraces monogamy.
@daveywood7138
Жыл бұрын
@16:00 this experience is way better in a drive in.
@AR3Sfm
Жыл бұрын
Destiny is becoming aware
@avivastudios2311
Жыл бұрын
I've never been that excited to take something out of a box before. I guess I just don't enjoy the small stuff...
@johngamer-bp3pc
2 жыл бұрын
sure
@blazearmoru
2 жыл бұрын
reminds me of mythical "gates to hell" being CO2 caves :c
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