So, I am the "Tim Martin" related to this discussion. Just for the record, I don't promote Hebrew Roots or Torah observance. I am a full preterist who views the old creation as the old covenant. The Law was most certainly "added" to this old covenant order introduced in Genesis 1 (Galatians 3). As a preterist, I view this entire old heavens and earth as the subject of Bible eschatology, fulfilled by AD70. This makes way for the New Heavens and New Earth of Revelation 21-22, 2 Peter 3, and Matthew 24, and Hebrews 1:10-12. This is the new covenant of Christ fulfilled through resurrection of Christ the bridegroom and the Church the Bride. See my channel for more detail if this interests you. Just thought the clarification might be helpful. It seems this video aims at goals unrelated to my view as related to Covenant Creation and Covenant Eschatology, which I do promote. Blessings, Tim
@TheBiblicalRoots
Ай бұрын
Hello, Tim! I just responded to another post about this. I want to publicly and acknowledge and apologize to you for making an assumption without confirming it. I did not know your position regarding Torah-keeping and I should have taken the time to confirm it, or at least acknowledged it was merely an assumption on my part. I didn't even realize the oversight until Mr. Fisher pointed it out to me. That was my mistake and I am sorry for making it. Thank you for taking the time to graciously state your actual position. The points/passages you posted in favor of the law predating Sinai are quite often cited by Torah-keepers as evidence that the law applies to everyone. My mistake was jumping to a conclusion about the position of the author of that post. My apologies! Blessings, RLS
@jacobsilverberg1329
Ай бұрын
Where are we now according to FP? Post Advent, Postmill, and now in the new heavens and earth? Thanks!
@surf2dooley
Ай бұрын
@@TheBiblicalRoots regarding the clean and unclean animals on the ark, you should ask Mr. Martin if these were real animals, and exactly what Noah sacrificed on the altar to God. His answer will help you understand claim #11 better
@richhava
Ай бұрын
@@timmartin4216 If you love me you will keep my Father's Commandments.... You cannot explain this away. You might try but it would be like convincing so eine the sky is not blue
@dancingzolins6782
Ай бұрын
@@richhava If you are quoting John 14:15, your version is different than any I've checked. Does yours really say 'my Father's commandments'?
@merrybachelorette
15 күн бұрын
Subscribed. Just found this channel and it is so helpful for me to sort through the claims.
@patnoon1544
Ай бұрын
Thanks Rob. Another great explanation on this subject. Shalom!
@Apollos2.2
Ай бұрын
Just found this channel.... love it! Subscribed! Thanks for the thorough teaching!
@kimartist
Ай бұрын
Torah Keeping seems astonishingly obsessed with what other people do... No it's not enough that they've got 613 to worry about for themselves, they want to make sure the whole world is burdened with it too 😢
@richhava
Ай бұрын
@@kimartist Their is the mindset of looking through the spectrum of the Law is no good. The Law is not burdensome in any capacity... Paul delighted in it. Why? Because he embraced it which led to all the benefits of embracing it.... 614 is a lot of laws But YHWH broke them into 10 Then Jesus narrowed down to 2..... All 614 laws fall under The two great commandments. I think Yahushua wanted to simplify it all and here is the sum of the Law. Love Yah with all your might Love your neighbor as yourself..... What makes that burdensome....? It's only a burden if you embrace being selfish Cause you and I are not the recipient in either of the two That means we must commit to a selfless life. Selfishness is breaking the Law.... Once you grab a hold of this, and out it into practice, shoving yourself to the side to pledge allegiance to Yah and dedicate your life to others brings happiness that money could never buy from me. I did it the evanHELLucal way and it led to misery. You think it's burdensome because you want to hold on to being selfish. You like your comfort. You are either committed to selfless ness or selfishness. Selfishness leads to death. Come out of deception before it's too late
@salpezzino7803
Ай бұрын
they are on a mission from Satan.
@davelyn786
Ай бұрын
Matt 11:28 Come to me, all who labor and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest. 29 Take my yoke upon you, and learn from me, for I am gentle and lowly in heart, *and you will find rest for your souls.* 30 For my yoke is easy, and my burden is light.” Jer 6:16 Thus says the LORD: “Stand by the roads, and look, and ask for the ancient paths, where the good way is; and walk in it, and *find rest for your souls.* But they said, ‘We will not walk in it.’ Jer 6:19 Hear, O earth; behold, I am bringing disaster upon this people, the fruit of their devices, because they have not paid attention to my words; *and as for my law, they have rejected it.* Burdened? I think not.
@salpezzino7803
Ай бұрын
@@davelyn786 too funny, They Burden because No One Can Keep Them and they come with curses -- Enjoy Peter talking to Jewish Believers in Acts 15:10 Now, therefore, why are you putting God to the test by placing a yoke on the neck of the disciples that neither our fathers nor we have been able to bear? What was the yoke or burden? vs5 But some believers who belonged to the party of the Pharisees rose up and said, “It is necessary to circumcise them and to order them to keep the law of Moses.”
@dmoffitt1914
Ай бұрын
So do Christians please see America right now?
@brianprice2350
Ай бұрын
Thank God, that I am no longer under the Torah, because of the great sacrifice of Jesus Christ on the cross, I am now under his Grace, to God be the Glory.
@coreybray9834
Ай бұрын
@brianprice2350 7 hours ago Thank God, that I am no longer under the Torah, because of the great sacrifice of Jesus Christ on the cross, I am now under his Grace, to God be the Glory. *Yeah, I hear lots of Christians say you can be a pure devil and harm anyone you want in the name of grace, as long as you believe that Jesus has saved you. It’s an opportunist’s dream until the opportunists are themselves victimized in the name of grace. By the way, did you ever notice that Christ never uttered the words “saved by grace” anywhere in the Bible? That idea conveniently waited to surface until after christ ascended back to his Father. Strangely, in Ephesians 2:8-9, Paul teaches that we are saved by grace and NOT OF WORKS! Yet, Christ later comes back to this same church in Ephesus in Revelation 2, and warns them to repent and to do the first works, the very opposite of Paul’s message of saving grace, else Christ would remove their candlestick.
@kimartist
Ай бұрын
Amen! 🙌 And I'm sorry there's always an HRM to bring you down whenever you exalt Jesus. That's just the way it is around here sadly 😥
@brianprice2350
Ай бұрын
@@coreybray9834 What group of Christians are you hanging around that say you can do the Devil’s work and still be under the Grace of Jesus Christ?
@coreybray9834
Ай бұрын
@@brianprice2350 @brianprice2350 2 hours ago @coreybray9834 What group of Christians are you hanging around that say you can do the Devil’s work and still be under the Grace of Jesus Christ? *Oh, you mean average Christians who reject God’s law, and ultimately reject god in the process pretending they are faithful to god? It’s mostly those who take paul seriously in romans 6:14 for insisting we are not under the law, but under grace. And those who believe the ungodly are justified by faith without works according to Paul in Romans 4:5, rather than being required to do righteous works in order to be justified, because Paul insists that righteousness is imputed to them instead? If they insist they are not under the law from Romans 6:14, then the grace they are under as an alternative is by very definition a lawless state of existence. And if they don’t have to do any works to be justified, because righteousness is imputed by faith, then of course they just behave like a devil and claim to have faith to cover their rear, ensuring that they are justified by faith like the rest of the ungodly in Romans 4:5 as far as paul is concerned. So, it might surprise you that people take Paul seriously and go all the way, but it doesn’t end here. And just to be clear, “ungodly” there is Paul’s term in Romans 4:5, so it’s a bit hard to ignore. And then they stumble upon Ephesians 2:8-9 and start joining Paul in insisting that they are saved by grace through faith and NOT OF WORKS, so no need to do righteous works to be saved there either, so why not just act like a Lawless devil if god isn’t paying any attention to their works is the way serious gracers reason it out, exalting themselves as the “grace entitled”. Now, there is a second and somewhat less enthusiastic sect of Christians who follow Paul today who can’t quite go as far as Paul was preaching. They anticipate from a basic moral sense that there is something wrong with the idea of tossing out good works, acting like a devil and imagining God will save you anyway. That sounds a little too good to be true to these Christians initially. They doubt the varasity of Paul’s central claims about the function of grace, and try to modify his stance by sneaking back in basic moral principles, returning to aspects of the law in an attempt to not fall prey to the former extremes of cheap grace theology within the greater ranks of thePaul faithful. Unfortunately, as they start to realize the value of righteous behavior and find themselves actually returning to many aspects of the law contrary to the advice of Paul in Romans 6:14, they eventually stumble across Galatians 5 where paul insists their attempts at returning to the law to be justified by works means they have fallen from grace. So, not wanting to fall from grace, many of these folks resort to being more like the first group who behaves like a devil and claims to be justified by grace through faith instead. Even more from this group stumble upon Romans 11:6 and realize that Paul has been arguing that grace and works are completely incompatible ideas the entire time in Paul’s version of the plan of salvation. Paul tried to make that crystal clear in Romans 4:1-5 earlier in the book of romans, but sometimes people have to read an idea a few times in different contexts to fully grasp the direction Paul was heading in on this front. Of course, there is a third group of Christians, like me, who join James 2:14-17 in accusing Paul of teaching a doctrine of justification by faith that is really nothing more than dead faith in Romans 4:5. So, I am not very popular among most Christians, because ideas like law, order, morality, common decency actually matter to our salvation in my book, and I don’t really subscribe to Paul or his “messenger of Satan” in 2Cor 12:7. I actually joined Christianity to follow the good Shepherd of John 10 instead, and see Paul as nothing more than an admitted Pharisee in Acts 23:6, seeing that he came right out and blurted out that he was still a Pharisee there. And I take Christ’s warning to beware the doctrine of the Pharisees seriously in Matthew 16, because in Matthew 23:15 Christ advises us that Pharisees like paul make their procelites into twice the child of hell than themselves, and that if our righteousness is not greater than that of the Scribes and Pharisees in Matthew 5:20 that we will not be able to enter the kingdom of God. Wich makes me wonder why so many Christians go out of their way to follow paul who admits in Acts 23:6 to still being a Pharisee. So, it doesn’t surprise me in the least to find a growing number of Paul’s converts claiming it is okay to be a lawless devil as long as you claim to have faith that Jesus will save you anyway. I can fully appreciate why a lot of Christians end up at that point after being manipulated and twisted by Paul over the course of trying to make sense of his writings. Most of these Christians were never told that Paul’s insisting they were no longer under the law in romans 6:14brought Paul under the warning of God in Isaiah 8:20-22. Godhas already judged that anyone speaking not according to the law and testimony, like Paul constantly does, has no light in them and that these will eventually be driven into darkness. Christ by contrast is the light of the world in John 1, meaning he does not seek to violate the test of Isaiah 8:20, but came instead to bind up the testimony and seal the law among god’s disciples as prophecied in Isaiah 8:16. This is an idea taken from Deuteronomy 6 where Israelites would practice binding the law to their right hand and forehead. Interestingly, the right hand and forehead is also where the mark of the beast is placed in Revelation 14. So, those who follow Paul out from under the protection of God’s seal simply open themselves up to take them ark of the beast where they should instead be binding up the testimony and sealing god’s law. But, there is another aspect to following Paul out from under the law in Romans 6:14 that most Christians are never told about. On the surface, this is the forever rebellion God has Isaiah write a book about in Isaiah 30. Their dislike for the law and the prophets leads to what God concludes is their trying to cause the Most High to cease from before them. So, God isn’t fooled by the antilaw nonsense going on in Christianity today with this whole saved by grace silliness. It’s one of the reasons why Christ warned in Matthew 7 that few would find the gate to life, and that the majority would choose the broad path to destruction. Eventually, God will just let the curse of Isaiah 24:6 devour the earth and those who insist on transgressing his law, changing his ordinance and breaking his everlasting covenant will be burned up. But, examining this issue deeper takes us to Zechariah 7 where God speaks of this enduring condition of man called a heart like an adamant stone. God describes this as his people refusing to hear his law and the words he sent by his spirit to his servants the prophets, not surprisingly the same thing he had Isaiah write a book about in Isaiah 30. So, when Christians read Romans 6:14 and follow Paul out from under the law, they are essentially cementing a heart like an adamant stone into place, not really addressing this problem of the stony heart at all. But, God has every intention of helping is true followers get rid of their stony heart as he promises in Ezekiel 11 and 36, by teaching them in Ezekiel 18 how to create in them a new heart and a new Spirit through genuine repentance and turning from sin so they do not die like those who seek to retain their stony heart. As a consequence of getting rid of the stony heart and creating a new heart and a new spirit in man through teaching them genuine repentance and turning from sin, God will then take these people who love his law and the words of his prophets, and he will write his law in their heart under the New covenant provisions stated in Jeremiah 31:31-34 to prepare them to be ready for the restored Davidic kingdom in Ezekiel 37 and 40-48, and to also prepare them for when the law goes forth from Zion in 2:1-5: a time when god will rebuke the nations and they will destroy their weapons of war and not learn war anymore. This being a goal Christianity has not been able to even remotely achieve under Paul’s intended lawless ideas of grace. So, Paul’s goal to bring people out from under god’s law is the exact opposite of what god is trying to do when he seals his law among his disciples in Isaiah 8:16 and writes his law in the hearts of those who actually come under the New Covenant in Jeremiah 31:31-34. So, all these Christians following Paul out from under the law, claiming to be under the New covenant, either never read what that covenant says or they just prefer to tel themselves lies. No one genuinely trying to come under the New covenant is trying to flee out from under god’s law. Instead, they realize God is moving his law from tables of stone and animal skins to write it in their heart. So, the goal is not to come out from under the law, because under the New covenant you will be under the law more intimately and tightly than man has ever experienced before.
@coreybray9834
Ай бұрын
@@kimartist @kimartist 14 hours ago Amen! And I'm sorry there's always an HRM to bring you down whenever you exalt Jesus. That's just the way it is around here sadly *Actually, it’s the gracers who bring me down far more than the HRM. The gracers are the ones running around painting God as being so imposible that they insist there isn’t a thing we can do to please him. We’ve all heard the hellish manipulative sermon of how there is nothing we can do to please God. Are we supposed to believe this is because god is so loving or something that there is nothing we can do to please him, or is it closer to the truth to say there is nothing we can do to please the gracers and their unloving, demented view of God??? Yet, God says that we can choose the things that please him in Isaiah 56, suggesting that the gracers have been lying through their teeth the entire time and that God is not as impossible to please as the gracers have been making him out to be. And if we choose the things that please God in Isaiah 56, God will respond by giving us a name in his house better than sons and daughters. This was not a message to the Jews, mind you, but was supposed to be the message to the strangers/Gentiles entering the faith after the crucifixion discussed just thre chapters earlier in Isaiah 53. But, the vast majority of Christians didn’t stick to the message Godhad in mind for the early church, because they did not want to choose his Sabbath and his covenant as God asked them to do, rejecting his offer in Isaiah 56 every step of the way. And when they wake up to the reality that they will not receive a name better than sons and daughters in his house for rejecting his offer, then what will their excuse to god be?
@terridickerson6608
10 күн бұрын
Great video. Thank you Rob.
@salpezzino7803
Ай бұрын
I can rebuke the Hebrew/Jewish roots false teacher with just a few lines of scripture --- Deuteronomy 5:1 And Moses summoned all Israel and said to them, “Hear, O Israel, the statutes and the rules that I speak in your hearing today, and you shall learn them and be careful to do them. 2 The Lord our God made a covenant with us in Horeb. 3 Not with our fathers did the Lord make this covenant, but with us, who are all of us here alive today.
@davelyn786
Ай бұрын
Deuteronomy 29:10-15 (ESV) 10 “You are standing today, all of you, before the LORD your God: the heads of your tribes, your elders, and your officers, all the men of Israel, 11 your little ones, your wives, and the sojourner who is in your camp, from the one who chops your wood to the one who draws your water, 12 so that you may enter into the sworn covenant of the LORD your God, which the LORD your God is making with you today, 13 that he may establish you today as his people, and that he may be your God, as he promised you, and as he swore to your fathers, to Abraham, to Isaac, and to Jacob. 14 It is not with you alone that I am making this sworn covenant, 15 but with whoever is standing here with us today before the LORD our God,* and with whoever is not here with us today.*
@salpezzino7803
Ай бұрын
@@davelyn786 I don't what point you are trying to make. That has nothing to do with my rebuke
@davelyn786
Ай бұрын
@@salpezzino7803 you’re rebuke is actually a blessing. God is telling us what he wants. How is that a rebuke?
@salpezzino7803
Ай бұрын
@@davelyn786 Are you in the Satanic Cult the Hebrew/Jewish Roots? They/you claim the Mosaic law had always been around, they think Abraham kept the Mosaic laws, even tho he was a Gentile. So, that scripture rebukes your/their cult. There is no blessing in the law of Moses, because no one can keep them, just read your Bible. So, Moses said that to the Son's of Israel. and News Flash none kept them and None but 2 of them made it to the Promised land, all the rest were CURSED and died in the Wilderness You aren't too bright. Joshua and Caleb were the only men from their generation permitted to go into the Promised Land after the time of wandering.
@freedominchrist444
Ай бұрын
Yes they ignore this too. Moses said himself it was only made with ancient Israel.
@simonskinner1450
Ай бұрын
Romans 7:6 confirms being free from the letter of the law, but not from the law of righteousness, as Romans 7:4 and 8:10 confirms imputed or inherent righteousness.
@salpezzino7803
Ай бұрын
All Liars will enjoy the Lake of Fire - say Hi to David Wilber for me when you get there.
@pierreferguson1300
Ай бұрын
Philippians 3:9
@simonskinner1450
Ай бұрын
@@pierreferguson1300 That's right, Paul says he does not have his own righteousness which is of the law, but that which is through faith in Christ, and by faith in God. His own righteousness is imputed to him as inherent. He had no righteousness as a lost sheep of Israel, even as a Pharisee.
@simonskinner1450
Ай бұрын
@@pierreferguson1300 That's right, Paul says he does not have his own righteousness which is of the law, but that which is through faith in Christ, and by faith in God. His own righteousness is imputed to him as inherent. He had no righteousness as a lost sheep of Israel, even as a Pharisee.
@AustinBeeman
Ай бұрын
It seems that almost ever question being proposed in these comment by Hebrew Roots people would have been answered if they’d JUST WATCHED THE VIDEO!
@salpezzino7803
Ай бұрын
they have the IQ of a walnut
@kimartist
Ай бұрын
Yes commenting without watching the accompanying video is the modus operandi of most HRM who visit here.
@gene4231
Ай бұрын
Abraham had his own covenant with God. If he was under Levitical law, then he broke it by marrying his sister. According to Lev. 18:11 and Deut. 27:22.
@masada2828
Ай бұрын
Abraham wasn’t under Law, not until it was given to Moses. Abraham broke no law by marrying his half sister, it was acceptable & not unlawful until the Mosiac Law was given. Early mankind did not mutate. Abraham followed the One God from creation. He had a covenant with God now he rests until the resurrection, when the promises will be fulfilled at the return of Jesus Christ.
@CadeWillcox
Ай бұрын
Did God marry Sarai before or after he was in covenant with God? Would you accuse yourself of all your sins from before you were saved?
@richhava
Ай бұрын
@@CadeWillcox I dont understand, sorry
@CadeWillcox
Ай бұрын
@richhava Why would Abraham be held to God's Law before he was in covenant with God? Maybe it was wrong to marry your sister according to God at that time, maybe it wasn't. But the bible doesn't say that Abraham was in covenant with God until after he was already married to Sarai. So he wouldn't have had the law revealed to him for obedience yet either way.
@richhava
Ай бұрын
@@CadeWillcox Your splitting hairs here and I honestly can't answer you. But this has nothing to do with the Torah being applicable today. Yahs kingdom is governed by pure unselfishness. They only way to determine if you are not acting in a selfish manner is to text it against the Law If you choose not to believe that the law was before Moses it really doesn't change anything. That's not going to stop your salvation but if you keep denying that the Torah does not matter and you keep following after the false idols that modern-day Christianity has formed and you're going to be in some trouble My pal. If I don't think that the law mattered before Moses but I still believe what I believe it ain't going to keep me from making it
@CraigHaden-ux9ei
Күн бұрын
Adam walked perfectly with YHVH before he sinned. The only conclusion is that Adam knew torah since he walked perfectly at one time. YHVH never changes.
@freedominchrist444
Ай бұрын
They also often teach the Mosaic law was eternal. No one is eternal but God. Paul said the law came 430 yrs after Abraham. It is a kabbalistic doctrine that law is eternal. The torah movement is immeresed in kabbalah.
@johnkumah3095
Ай бұрын
It's eternal all right but not to be fulfilled by Man. The moment God promised a New Covenant, the Torah couldn't be fulfilled by Man anymore. It meant He God is not expecting anyone to fulfil it. But God's says his word must be fulfilled. Isaiah 55:11 [11]So shall My word be that goes forth from My mouth; It shall not return to Me void, But it shall accomplish what I please, And it shall prosper in the thing for which I sent it. This is where the Righteous Servant, Messiah, comes in. He fulfils the law by atoning for the Jews under the Law they were not able to keep. The law is therefore fulfilled in Jesus.
@heather602
Ай бұрын
Well done, Rob! Truth spoken in love. I learned something about the touching the fruit that surprised me because I hadn't seen it till someone else pointed it out. Eve is the first recorded person to claim "we shall not touch it." But Eve was created AFTER God gave Adam the commandment! So it seems either Adam added to the commandment when he told Eve later or Eve added to it after hearing it. I thought that was so interesting.
@jessewhitstine4484
Ай бұрын
Wasn't the Sabbath established at the beginning?
@sethplace
Ай бұрын
But not commanded
@jessewhitstine4484
Ай бұрын
@@sethplace It's still a Blessed and Set Apart day the has been established since the beginning
@pierreferguson1300
Ай бұрын
The ministry of death (2 Corinthians 3:7) Exodus 31:14 “Therefore you are to keep the Sabbath, for it is holy to you. Everyone who profanes it must be put to death; for whoever does any work on it, that person shall be cut off from among his people. 15 For six days work may be done, but on the seventh day there is a Sabbath of complete rest [Exodus 20:8-11; Leviticus 23:1-3], holy to the Lord; whoever does any work on the Sabbath day must be put to death.“ (NASB) Exodus 35:1 Then Moses assembled all the congregation of the sons of Israel, and said to them, “These are the things that the Lord has commanded you to do: 2 “For six days work may be done, but on the seventh day you shall have a holy day, a Sabbath of complete rest to the Lord [Exodus 20:8-11; Leviticus 23:1-3]; whoever does any work on it shall be put to death.“ (NASB) Numbers 15:32 Now while the sons of Israel were in the wilderness [Heb. midbar], they found a man gathering wood on the Sabbath day [Exodus 20:8-11; Leviticus 23:1-3]. 33 And those who found him gathering wood brought him to Moses and Aaron, and to all the congregation; 34 and they placed him in custody, because it had not been decided what should be done to him. 35 Then the Lord said to Moses, “The man must be put to death [Exodus 31:14-15; Exodus 35:1-2; Deuteronomy 27:26; Matthew 5:18]; all the congregation shall stone him with stones outside the camp.” 36 So all the congregation [Heb. edah] brought him outside the camp and stoned him to death with stones, just as the Lord had commanded Moses. (NASB) Matthew 5:18 “For truly I say to you, until heaven and earth pass away, not the smallest letter or stroke of a letter shall pass from the Law, until all is accomplished!“ (NASB)
@pierreferguson1300
Ай бұрын
Galatians 3:10 For all who are of works of the Law are under a curse; for it is written: “Cursed is everyone who does not abide by all the things written in the book of the Law, to do them [Deuteronomy 27:26].” (NASB) Exodus 31:14 “Therefore you are to keep the Sabbath, for it is holy to you. Everyone who profanes it must be put to death; for whoever does any work on it, that person shall be cut off from among his people. 15 For six days work may be done, but on the seventh day there is a Sabbath of complete rest [Exodus 20:8-11; Leviticus 23:1-3], holy to the Lord; whoever does any work on the Sabbath day must be put to death.“ (NASB) Exodus 35:1 Then Moses assembled all the congregation of the sons of Israel, and said to them, “These are the things that the Lord has commanded you to do: 2 “For six days work may be done, but on the seventh day you shall have a holy day, a Sabbath of complete rest to the Lord [Exodus 20:8-11; Leviticus 23:1-3]; whoever does any work on it shall be put to death.“ (NASB) Numbers 15:32 Now while the sons of Israel were in the wilderness [Heb. midbar], they found a man gathering wood on the Sabbath day [Exodus 20:8-11; Leviticus 23:1-3]. 33 And those who found him gathering wood brought him to Moses and Aaron, and to all the congregation; 34 and they placed him in custody, because it had not been decided what should be done to him. 35 Then the Lord said to Moses, “The man must be put to death [Exodus 31:14-15; Exodus 35:1-2; Deuteronomy 27:26; Matthew 5:18]; all the congregation shall stone him with stones outside the camp.” 36 So all the congregation [Heb. edah] brought him outside the camp and stoned him to death with stones, just as the Lord had commanded Moses. (NASB) 2 Corinthians 3:7 But if the ministry of death, engraved in letters on stones, came with glory so that the sons of Israel could not look intently at the face of Moses because of the glory of his face [Exodus 34], fading as it was [Hebrews 8], 8 how will the ministry of the Spirit fail to be even more with glory? (NASB) Matthew 5:18 “For truly I say to you, until heaven and earth pass away, not the smallest letter or stroke of a letter shall pass from the Law, until all is accomplished!“ (NASB) Galatians 4:21 Tell me, you who want to be under law [Hebrews 7:11], do you not listen to the Law? (NASB)
@sethplace
Ай бұрын
@@jessewhitstine4484 10/4 and the idea of rest both physical and in Christ should be acknowledged but it isn’t a command anywhere in the New Testament. It just isn’t.
@Jeff-xt7xs
Ай бұрын
Opposite of law obeying is LAWLESSNESS. Matthew 7:21-23
@zaratecharles68
Ай бұрын
Amen. 1 John 3:4 Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.
@freedominchrist444
Ай бұрын
It does not say sin is the transgression of the Mosaic law. You are inserting that into the passage.
@williamrevis3976
Ай бұрын
@@freedominchrist444there was no new testament when 1 John was written. So what law was it John was speaking of?
@vegacool1
Ай бұрын
Are there not hints in Genesis, about shabbat, sukkot, Jacob's periods of 7's, the dates of Noah flood, etc. Would that make sense that those would be hinted at, as Moses was the author?
@coreybray9834
Ай бұрын
@vegacool1 3 hours ago Are there not hints in Genesis, about shabbat, sukkot, Jacob's periods of 7's, the dates of Noah flood, etc. Would that make sense that those would be hinted at, as Moses was the author? *Genesis 26 tells us openly that Abraham kept God’s commandments, statutes and laws. And Circumcision was well before Moses. So, if the folks belonging to Paulism want to do away with that which they separate out of torah and call the law of Moses, then we should still be circumcising males today.
@dancingzolins6782
Ай бұрын
@coreybray9834 Two questions: 1. The Edenic, Adamic, and Noahic covenants were made with all humanity in mind. Do you believe that the Abrahamic Covenant, which includes circumcision, applies to all humanity, or just to the physical descendants of Abraham? Scriptural evidence preferred. 2. Do you believe Genesis 26:5 implies Abraham kept the Law of Moses which was given 430 years later (Gal 3:17)?
@coreybray9834
26 күн бұрын
@dancingzolins6782 5 days ago (edited) @coreybray9834 Two questions: 1. The Edenic, Adamic, and Noahic covenants were made with all humanity in mind. Do you believe that the Abrahamic Covenant, which includes circumcision, applies to all humanity, or just to the physical descendants of Abraham? *I believe it was intended for all humans who decide to embrace his covenant. Hence, Abraham is known as the “Father of Nations”. Christ even warned the Jews in John 8 that God could raise up children to Abraham from stones if necessary to ensure that covenant’s viability, suggesting that Christ was fully aware that covenant was intended for far more than Abraham’s physical descendents only. And Isaiah 56 is where God calls nonJews directly under the Sabbath and Covenant. Unfortunately, most Christians today are rejecting that part of the intended gospel message, pretending the Sabbath was only for the Jews. They couldn’t be more wrong. And when Christ returns in Zechariah 14, notice that Gentile nations like Egypt will be keeping Tabernacles: an old torah feast from Leviticus 23 covered under the Abrahamic covenant passed down through Moses as well. Also, in Ezekiel 44, in the coming Davidic kingdom, the strangers/Gentiles will have to be circumcised in heart and flesh as well, or God will not allow them to enter the coming Millennial sanctuary. Well, circumcision began with Abraham long before the time of Moses, so the fact that circumcision becomes an issue again pretty much guarantees that the Abrahamic covenant was meant for far more than Abraham’s physical descendants as well.* Scriptural evidence preferred. 2. Do you believe Genesis 26:5 implies Abraham kept the Law of Moses which was given 430 years later (Gal 3:17)? *Abraham obviously had circumcision, the commandments, laws statutes and judgments portion of the law of Moses. Whether he had every part of it would be difficult to prove or disprove conclusively though. But, it wouldn’t really matter to us today if he had it or not, because Isaiah 56 introduces the strangers/gentiles to the Sabbath and the covenant. Moses didn’t have the gospel in his day as far as we can tell, but it is authorized in Deuteronomy 18 under that Messianic prophecy of the other prophet like Moses. And those who get the victory in Revelation 15 are found singing the song of Moses and the Lamb. You would think more Christians reading the book of Revelation would grasp the importance of Moses to their salvation from that chapter of prophecy. @@dancingzolins6782
@messengerisrael3817
25 күн бұрын
@@dancingzolins6782 GENESIS 17:9-14 , 9.And God said unto Abraham, Thou shalt keep my covenant therefore, thou, and thy seed after thee in their generations. 10This is my covenant, which ye shall keep, between me and you and thy seed after thee; Every man child among you shall be circumcised. 11And ye shall circumcise the flesh of your foreskin; and it shall be a token of the covenant betwixt me and you. 12And he that is eight days old shall be circumcised among you, every man child in your generations, he that is born in the house, or bought with money of any stranger, which is not of thy seed. 13He that is born in thy house, and he that is bought with thy money, must needs be circumcised: and my covenant shall be in your flesh for an everlasting covenant. 14And the uncircumcised man child whose flesh of his foreskin is not circumcised, that soul shall be cut off from his people; he hath broken my covenant. WHAT DOES " BOUGHT WITH MONEY OF ANY STRANGER , WHICH IS NOT OF THY SEED MEANS " ? Circumcision means to remove something . In the covenant with Abraham , it is the removing of the flesh of foreskin ; which is the token of the completion of the creation started by God , on the first day that man was formed . Man was created in the image and likeness of God , but every other creature was made in their kind . Man was made from the dust of the ground , GOD IS NOT . God is teaching man how to become the kind . On the eighth day of man's creation , the flesh and blood of the earth will be removed , and man will become the kind Circumcision of the flesh of the foreskin is a law/commandment , like thy shall not kill , or remember the sabbath to keep it holy . Biblical circumcision means to make clean . The circumcisions for the cleaning of sin went through the two mediators of the covenant of the Father & the children of Israel . The circumcision of the heart/spirit is a sin sacrifice law of atonement through faith , through the mediator Jesus Christ ; which is repenting of your sins , then believing by obedience ; which is keeping your mediator Jesus Christ commandments ; which he received from the Father . People forget that there was also a sin sacrifice law of atonement through works , for the flesh/body ; which the God of Israel gave through the mediator Moses ; which was called the law of animal sacrifice and oblations ; which is the circumcision of flesh/body for sin . Moses , like Jesus was the mediator/husband/protector/covering , for the one's under the covenant between the Father . UNDERSTAND , THE PROMISE CAN THROUGH ABRAHAM AND HIS SEED IN GALATIANS 3 , WHICH IS JESUS CHRIST . THE STRANGER BOUGHT WITH ABRAHAM MONEY IS THE BLOOD OF CHRIST . ACTS 20:28 , Take heed therefore unto yourselves, and to all the flock, over the which the Holy Ghost hath made you overseers, to feed the church of God, which he hath purchased with his own blood. GALATIANS 3:26 , 26.For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus. 27For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ. 28There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus. 29.And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise. WHAT COVENANT WAS ABRAHAM SEED REQUIRED TO KEEP ( CIRCUMCISION ) ? ABRAHAM KEPT THE LAWS THAT GOD GAVE HIM ; ALSO THE LAWS THAT ADAM RECEIVED THROUGH THE TREE OF THE KNOWLEDGE OF GOOD & EVIL , WHICH IS SATAN . WHO S SATAN ( LUCIFER ) ? LUCIFER IS A CHERUB ANGEL THAT WAS PLACED ON THE HOLY MOUNTAIN ( GOVERNMENT) OF GOD ( PLEASE READ EZEKIEL 28:12-15 ) ; WHICH BRINGS THE WORD OF GOD ( HE WAS THE LIGHT BRINGER OR SON OF THE MORNING ) , UNTIL INIQUITY WAS FOUND IN HIM ; WHICH ADAM WAS TOLD NOT TO EAT FROM HIM . ISAIAH 14:13-14 , 13.For thou hast said in thine heart, I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God: I will sit also upon the mount of the congregation, in the sides of the north: 14I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will be like the most High. WHAT IS THE ROLE OF AN ANGEL ? HEBREWS 1:13-14 , 13.But to which of the angels said he at any time, Sit on my right hand, until I make thine enemies thy footstool? 14Are they not all ministering spirits, sent forth to minister for them who shall be heirs of salvation? ANGELS DO NOT GIVE YOU THEIR OPINIONS , BUT SPEAK WHAT THEY HEAR FROM GOD ; THEY GLORIFY GOD , NOT THEMSELVES ; WHICH LUCIFER WANTED HIS OWN GLORY ; HE WANTED TO BE THE MOST HIGH . ALL KNOWLEDGE , UNDERSTANDING AND WISDOM COMES FROM GOD . MAN WAS GIVEN THE LAWS OF GOD IN THE GARDEN BY SATAN ; ONLY THE NATION OF ISRAEL WAS GIVEN THE LAWS OF GOD , BY GOD . PSALM 147:19-20 , 19.He sheweth his word unto Jacob, his statutes and his judgments unto Israel. 20He hath not dealt so with any nation: and as for his judgments, they have not known them. Praise ye the LORD. THE LAW OF MOSES IS THE SIN SACRIFICE LAW OF ATONEMENT OF THE FLESH , THE LAW OF ANIMAL SACRIFICE & OBLATIONS ; WHICH WAS GIVEN THROUGH THE MEDIATOR/HUSBAND MOSES , AFTER ISRAEL STARTED BREAKING GOD'S LAW WITH REPENTING AS KING DAVID DID ; WHICH WAS 430 YEARS AFTER THE PROMISE OF CHRIST ( MEDIATOR/HUSBAND ) WAS MADE TO ABRAHAM ( GENESIS 12:3 ) . BOTH MOSES AND CHRIST GAVE THE LAW OF GOD ; THE SIN SACRIFICE LAW OF ATONEMENT WENT THROUGH THE HUSBANDS , THEY INTERCEDES FOR THE PEOPLE UNDER THE COVENANT . SHALOM !
@brianprice2350
Ай бұрын
(SUPER GRACE) is how I explain Romans 11:26-28 KJV And so all Israel will be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob: For this is my covenant unto them, when I shall take away their sins. As concerning the gospel, they are enemies for your sakes: but as touching the election, they are beloved for the father’s sakes.( So if the Jews do or don’t keep the Torah they will still be saved either way.) Romans 11:26-28 NIV 26 and in this way all Israel will be saved. As it is written: “The deliverer will come from Zion; he will turn godlessness away from Jacob. 27 And this is my covenant with them when I take away their sins.” 28 As far as the gospel is concerned, they are enemies for your sake; but as far as election is concerned, they are loved on account of the patriarchs.
@jimharmon2300
Ай бұрын
Why did GOD destroy Sodom ? What laws did they break ? What commandments did they break ?
@Mikhael1964
Ай бұрын
According to Genesis 19, the sin involved homosexuality. The very name of that ancient city has given us the term sodomy, in the sense of “copulation between two men, whether consensual or forced.” Clearly, homosexuality was part of why God destroyed the two cities. The men of Sodom and Gomorrah wanted to perform homosexual acts on what they thought were two men. This is not to say that homosexuality was the only reason why God destroyed Sodom and Gomorrah. Ezekiel 16:49-50 gives some more insight: “Now this was the sin of your sister Sodom: She and her daughters were arrogant, overfed and unconcerned; they did not help the poor and needy. They were haughty and did detestable things before me.” So, the sins of Sodom included pride, apathy, complacency, idleness, and unconcern for the underprivileged. Ezekiel 16:50 adds that a sin of Sodom was that they did “detestable things.” The Hebrew word translated “detestable” refers to something that is morally disgusting. It is the same word used in Leviticus 18:22, where homosexuality is an “abomination.” Jude 1:7 also weighs in: “Sodom and Gomorrah and the surrounding towns gave themselves up to sexual immorality and perversion.” So, again, while homosexuality was not the only sin of Sodom and Gomorrah, it does appear to be the primary reason for the destruction of those cities..
@jimharmon2300
Ай бұрын
@@Mikhael1964 We know all that . The question is did they have that knowledge, those laws ? And yes they did . Or else this man is saying GOD is an unjust judge .
@Mikhael1964
Ай бұрын
@@jimharmon2300 Why did you ask why GOD destroy Sodom if you knew it all anyway..pointless..Also, using straw man arguments does not make one correct. Keep to what the man said, not what he didn't say..
@salpezzino7803
Ай бұрын
@@jimharmon2300 the Natural law - Romans 2 - the 10 commandments. Mikhael is evil
@tbishop4961
Ай бұрын
There is natural law and there is the Sinai covenant for the nation of Israel. These are not the same Cain was never told by God that murder was forbidden. Only warned that his state of mind would lead to "sin" In answer to your question, this is what Ezekiel says "Now this was the sin of your sister Sodom: She and her daughters were arrogant, overfed and unconcerned; they did not help the poor and needy. They were haughty and did detestable things before me. Therefore I did away with them as you have seen
@joshuacortez5912
Ай бұрын
Genesis 9:3 Every moving thing that lives shall be food for you. And as I gave you the green plants, I give you everything. The Holy Bible: English Standard Version. 2016. Wheaton, IL: Crossway Bibles. Theres good evidence that levitical laws did not apply to Noah. Like eating all meat commanded by God.
@sandralindow4380
Ай бұрын
Woo first view! 😄
@patrickamundy8358
Ай бұрын
Yay🎉
@kimartist
Ай бұрын
Thank you. Most intelligent comment I've read so far 😅 But seriously, the Torah Keeping Brigade is out in force with all their ridiculous "yeah buts" & it's tedious to behold. Thank goodness for some levity 🙏
@OZMAZZ12
Ай бұрын
I don’t think you disproved Tim’s claim. TBH the book speaks of covenant creation so in context things are clearer. Reading Beyond creation science will clear up that confusion. It’s obvious that the law existed before, when you say Cane an Able sacrifices were just normal practices in the East, you are essentially admitting that they aren’t just alone on earth and that they were among other nations. This is what covenant creation explains and what Tim Martin is saying in his book
@salpezzino7803
Ай бұрын
did Rob actually say "Cane an Able sacrifices were just normal practices in the East???
@user-oy4xm3dk7n
Ай бұрын
Pre Sinai there existed the Law of Natural Conscience -the Law was infused in those by the Creator. The Mosaic law was for an era and was accomplished by Jesus because we cannot follow this law, Nor can we dissect the Law as the law is composite and cannot be take in pieces such as the sacrificial ones and then hold onto others.
@salpezzino7803
Ай бұрын
I can hardly watch any of this. The first animal sacrifice was Not Gen 4 --- it was Gen 3:21 And the Lord God made for Adam and for his wife garments of skins and clothed them. This is significant, the 1st Blood shed for the forgiveness of sin
@080566fm
Ай бұрын
Why did the Melchizedek accept the tithe if it was a pagan practice
@AustinBeeman
Ай бұрын
A thing done for an idol is pagan. The same thing done for God is holy. (Within reason)
@indo3052
Ай бұрын
So is there priests at the bottom of mt senai?
@randylundgren8421
Ай бұрын
The explanation that many cultures paid tithe before Sinai does imply that that particular law predated Sinai. The deciding factor would be, did God instruct them to pay tithe. As an aside, did God instruct anyone to keep the moral laws before Sinai? And how does "the law was given because of transgressions" fit in?
@georgedinar4169
Ай бұрын
I went to your website and I couldn’t find any videos on Matthew 517 or Matthew 721 do you have any videos on Matthew?
@TheBiblicalRoots
Ай бұрын
Here’s one: Matthew 5:17-20 (Four Contexts) - An Academic Lecture kzitem.info/news/bejne/w4p5z2mJi6KiaZw
@TheBiblicalRoots
Ай бұрын
Here’s another: Matthew 5:17-20 explanation - How did Jesus not abolish but fulfill the law? kzitem.info/news/bejne/lZif1Wmpa3eZlpg
@tbishop4961
Ай бұрын
Btw.. the zohar absolutely isn't the foundational text of kabbalah. It is a late entry and considered by some kabbalists to be a complete fabrication. Sefer yetzirah or Sefer Bahir both predate it and either could be deemed "foundational"
@CadeWillcox
Ай бұрын
It was just an ad hominem attack on Torah keepers in general anyway. No big deal.
@tbishop4961
Ай бұрын
18:56 slight correction. You need to look at the hebrew words being used here and compare with examples in feast commands and references in the prophets
@highlanderthegreat
Ай бұрын
well was not abraham found rightest by faith...did cain and able not give sacifice ??so something did happen before sinai
@simonskinner1450
Ай бұрын
The Torah was given to Abraham which then had the statute of faith, but due to sin God amended the Torah with Abraham to add sin and death, but the law of righteousness was the law we as true believers must keep as Romans 2:12-13. I have a Ytube video series 'Myths in so-called Christianity' for NT truth.
@100watsoncm
Ай бұрын
What scripture can I go to that says God gave Abraham the Torah
@100watsoncm
Ай бұрын
Where did God amend the Torah with Abraham?
@highlanderthegreat
Ай бұрын
@@100watsoncm did not GOD say abraham was found righteous by faith alone???also did not cain and able offer sacrifice and did not GOD say 1 sacrifice was acceptable and 1 was not acceptable..
@simonskinner1450
Ай бұрын
@@100watsoncm Genesis 26:5 God says he did. The Torah given to Abraham is written into that of Moses, as Abraham kept Gods laws by the obedience of faith.
@CupOJoeOuttaIdaho
Ай бұрын
Hey Sol why don’t you actually tag Tim in this and interact with him?
@tbishop4961
Ай бұрын
Ok, final comment. I think the guy you're responding to here is taking these ideas from talmud and from medieval rabbinic writings and rulings
@CadeWillcox
Ай бұрын
I would like you to apply your "we don't see Abraham keeping all of the Torah in the text" (~32:00) to the life of Christ. Does anything in the NT state he observed every specific command from the Law of Moses? No. Does it say he lived and followed God's law and we assume that he followed every applicable command from the Law of Moses? Yes. Where is your consistency?
@TheBiblicalRoots
Ай бұрын
That's fair, Cade. The reason we say Jesus kept every old covenant command required of Him is because the NT tells us He was (a.) "born under the law" (Gal. 4:4), and (b.) sinless: “He committed no sin and no deceit was found in His mouth” (1 Pet. 2:22). So, Jesus was a Jewish man who was born, lived, and died under the old covenant law and committed no sin. By contrast, Abraham lived and died centuries _before_ the old covenant and it's law were given at Sinai. Blessings, RLS
@Oversite869
Ай бұрын
Before Sinai, sacrifices didn’t atone for sin. Sacrifices were simply a service to Yah for the sake of agricultural production. Sacrifices didn’t atone for sin until sin became a big enough problem for Yah to give people permission to execute judgment. Unfortunately, with this type of power, The Pharisees became Pharoah. And began killing Yahusha’s New Israel’s firstborn. At the end of time, this will happen on a much larger scale.
@learn2farmagain30
Ай бұрын
Oversite869, Any idea when job was written?
@Oversite869
Ай бұрын
@@learn2farmagain30 before Exodus.
@salpezzino7803
Ай бұрын
The first sacrifice for sin took place in the Garden of Eden after Adam and Eve disobeyed God and became aware of good and evil. In Genesis 3:20-24, God sacrificed an innocent animal to provide clothing for Adam and Eve, covering their nakedness and atoning for their sin
@Oversite869
Ай бұрын
@@salpezzino7803 that wasn’t a sacrifice. That was Yahuah giving them (us) a body capable of atoning. The atonement wasn’t made until Yahuah Himself gave Himself to us on Calvary. And by our faith and communion with Yah, we are atoned and exist separate and free from the generational or generated judgments that haunt our flesh. The atonement doesn’t take place until Yahusha se Adonai and them Law of Moses completely loses all of its power against us. Yahuah didn’t make the first sacrifice. He made the Last one.
@salpezzino7803
Ай бұрын
@@Oversite869 you are wrong and evil. Why do you mix Hebrew with English? Hebrew was dead as a common language for 2000 years. Are you schizophrenic or looking for a better seat at the table?
@lonecar144
Ай бұрын
1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. John 1:1 (KJV), God's word is law, in order for mankind to survive we must coexist, in order to coexist we must have laws to protect the rights of all. Amen
@pierreferguson1300
Ай бұрын
Word = Logos (Koine Greek), Dabar (Hebrew). Law = Nomos (Koine Greek), Torah (Hebrew).
@lonecar144
Ай бұрын
@@pierreferguson1300 Strong's definition has the word "command" in the discription of both words.
@dancingzolins6782
Ай бұрын
Isn't 'Word' in John 1:1 referring to Jesus, and not law? Further down, we read ... "And the Word became flesh and dwelt among us, and we beheld His glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father, full of grace and truth."- John 1:14 KJV and ... "For the law was given through Moses, but grace and truth came through Jesus Christ."- John 1:17 KJV Verses 14 and 17 indicate a clear distinction between Word (Jesus) and law.
@pierreferguson1300
Ай бұрын
@@dancingzolins6782 Yes
@lonecar144
Ай бұрын
@@dancingzolins6782 I have had this debate before. If the Word is Jesus then from the beginning he had not learned to be obedient to himself until 2,000 years ago, and was fearful according to the following verses, 7 Who in the days of his flesh, when he had offered up prayers and supplications with strong crying and tears unto him that was able to save him from death, and was heard in that he feared; 8 Though he were a Son, yet learned he obedience by the things which he suffered; Heb 5:7-8 (KJV) Jesus is a man that was given the Word and taught to be obedient to it and thereby perfectly giving us an example to follow and live by the Word in the flesh, becoming our savior and the author of our salvation through deed and script (the New Testament). And Jesus was given the position of high priest and “Lord of Lords and Kings of Kings” because of his perfected obedience to the Word. And he was made God over us by the same principle that Moses was made God over Pharaoh Ex 7:1 (KJV). There is only the FATHER that gave us his WORD (law, the ten commandments and their principles) to be our lord and God that we are commanded to love with all our heart, soul, strength, and mind. There is only the FATHER that sends his HOLY GHOST to work all things together for the good of those that love the lord their God. By God’s righteousness he cannot create man with a free will without a plan of salvation knowing that man will give into the lusts of the flesh and be servants of death. From the beginning (John 1:1 (KJV)) that plan is the Word (God’s law) that entails a savior that completes or finishes the law (Word). Jesus was chosen to be that savior (the Word made flesh). The Word is not Jesus, but Jesus is a part of the Word. 6 By the word of the Lord were the heavens made; and all the host of them by the breath of his mouth. Psalms 33:6 (KJV) “Jesus Christ came 2,000 years ago at the end of the fifth day and beginning of the sixth day and brought the New Testament which gives true meaning to the laws of God in the Old Testament and is a way of making it possible for all people to understand. The teachings of Christ in the New Testament finished the laws of God which are in the Old Testament (confirming those laws, not doing away with them as most people believe) St. John5:36, St. Matt.5:17, and His teachings in the New Testament of the bible is His spiritual blood, St. John6:63 and St. Mark14:23-25. He did not change any laws of the Old Testament. He repeatedly refers to the Ten Commandments which were given in the Old Testament. It is there one must study the laws to truly understand the breakdown and true meaning of all laws. Jesus Christ said He came not to destroy or change, but to fulfill and finish the laws, St.John4:34, 17:4, 19:30.” ~ #2 143,999+1 All glory to God. Amen
@elijahirvin5911
Ай бұрын
2 peter 2-5 Noah preacher of righteousness
@georgedinar4169
Ай бұрын
You do realize that Genesis 114 was written in Hebrew first. The word for signs is MoeEd which means appointed times. Surely you know that.
@dancingzolins6782
Ай бұрын
The word for signs IS NOT moed. In Genesis 1:14, the Hebrew text for "for signs" is לְאֹתֹת֙ [lə·’ō·ṯōṯ] based on the Hebrew word 'ot', Strong's #H226. [See Genesis 9:12,13,17, Isaiah 8:18, 44:25.] In Genesis 1:14, the Hebrew text for "and seasons" is וּלְמ֣וֹעֲדִ֔ים [ū·lə·mō·w·‘ă·ḏîm] based on the Hebrew word 'moed', Strong's #H4150. [See Genesis 18:14, Zechariah 8:19]. Moed can mean appointed times, seasons, feasts, but moed does not mean signs.
@elijahirvin5911
Ай бұрын
Paul taught that we are slaves to righteousness Romans 6-18. What is righteousness ps 119.172. Noah was a preacher of righteousness
@jimfisher1140
Ай бұрын
One big problem. You assumed Mr. Martin is a "torah keeper or observer", or maybe a Hebrew Roots, and therefore based a huge chunk of your time addressing a strawman. Not to say some of your info was important regarding "Torah Keepers", but it was irrelevant regarding Mr Martin. Mr Martin only uses exegesis developing what many scholars have recognized to many degrees. You should do some research on people instead of making things up about them.
@TheBiblicalRoots
Ай бұрын
Thank you for bring that to my attention, Jim! You are right, that is a problem. So I want to publicly and acknowledge and apologize for making an assumption about Mr. Martin without confirming it. I do not know Mr. Martin's position regarding Torah-keeping and I should have taken the time to confirm it, or at least acknowledged it was merely an assumption on my part. That was my mistake and I am sorry for making it. Mr. Martin's points/passages in favor of the law predating Sinai are quite often cited by Torah-keepers as evidence that the law applies to everyone. So, while that may or may not be Mr. Martin's personal position, I am not arguing against a strawman in this video. It is a legitimate line of argumentation that I have personally experienced dozens of times. Shalom! Rob
@jimfisher1140
Ай бұрын
@@TheBiblicalRoots . Thanks. I don't think proper exegesis should be influenced by whether a person or group uses the conclusions incorrectly. This goes for the history of the church and so-called scholars you mentioned as well as for Torah-keepers. In other words, proper exegesis should not be influenced by how others misuse the conclusion potentially violating other truths of scripture and creating bad doctrine. The possible fact that the law preceded Sinai should not be discarded because the Torah-Keepers misuse it. And it should not be thrown out because biased scholars in their bubble protecting their ass wont go against tradition. It should be looked at on merit and weeded out. You did offer some of this and as well Mr Martin could expound on and have other good info and rebuttal to offer. As far as tradition, we see "scholars" whaling against Preterism when its obvious what scripture say, but they refuse to hear it and go against tradition. PS: I did appreciate your rant against Torah-Keepers, just not your misplaced association of Mr Martin with them. Thanks for owning up.
@Wherethetruthis
Ай бұрын
Did the "The epic of Gilamesh" predate the Torah? It is being taught, that the Torah took from Yhe Gilgamesh epic.
@YahLion77
Ай бұрын
You really reaching. The five books of Moshe are literally called Torah.
@TheBiblicalRoots
Ай бұрын
Yep! That's exactly what I said in this video. Shalom, RLS
@oekmama
Ай бұрын
Ii think if we read the OT, we see some men walking with God/living righteous lives before the giving of the law on Sinai. We can actually see some of the laws developing out of the errors in the lives of the patriarchs.
@elijahirvin5911
Ай бұрын
Adam broke first commandment
@BipolarDistortion
Ай бұрын
Torah keepers (I understand Tim Martin is not of this camp so this is not directed at him) quoting Satan as an authority to follow? Gee, color me shocked.
@jimharmon2300
Ай бұрын
Why did GOD send a flood ? If there were no laws then how did GOD pass judgement ? Sin is breaking the laws of GOD , I thought . Maybe you have some hidden mystery we don’t know .
@heather602
Ай бұрын
Good question. God tells us our conscience bears us witness to right and wrong. But we are told Noah was a preacher of righteousness. Perhaps God used Noah to warn of coming judgment ( a second witness to their sins) but they refused to listen.
@jimharmon2300
Ай бұрын
@@heather602 Point is What did he preach if there were no laws ? The point of the argument is that they had no laws before Moses . Until Moses they had oral laws . Not to be confused with the oral laws of Judaism of today . We all know how oral laws can be changed from mouth to mouth and from generation to generation. So GOD wrote them in stone . To symbolize that they are not to be changed .
@heather602
Ай бұрын
@@jimharmon2300 God says Noah was a preacher of righteousness. That's good enough for me.
@jimharmon2300
Ай бұрын
@@heather602 Why are you diverting from the subject? The topic is No laws until Moses . That is just not true .
@heather602
Ай бұрын
@@jimharmon2300 I wasn't diverting. I answered according to my understanding with biblical support. I don't think anyone is claiming that there were no commandments given by God. God judged Adam and Eve and they weren't given the law of Moses. God judged Cain and he wasn't given the law of Moses. I don't know for certain how God's people understood sin, but somehow they did. That's why I mentioned the conscience as a possibility. But the law, as pertaining to the first covenant, came through Moses. We walk by faith, not by sight. Some things we need to accept at face value. Or pray and ask for wisdom which God promises to those who ask.
@user-fd2fe5lu1j
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After listening to many of your teachings and reading the commants, I am still in awe how christians can still hold on to the Mosaic Law. As the tablets were stone it looks like their hearts are of stone too. Though you are so clear in explaining the unscriptural biblical truth of observing as a born again Christian the Thora. Looks like there is a veil over their faces, while they think we are veiled. But actually we are as the bride of Christ not of Moses.❤❤❤
@salpezzino7803
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Christians aren't under that Mosaic laws, The tablets of stone are the 10 Commandments and yes they are written on mankind's hearts, only until God changes a heart of Stone to flesh will the 10 become uncorrupted.
@TheFaithofJesus-bk4wl
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@@salpezzino7803 Amen!
@TheFaithofJesus-bk4wl
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@@salpezzino7803 Why people want to see the Ten Commandments and the Mosaic Laws as the same thing has always blown my mind. Both are two very different covenants, one pointed to Christ and was nailed to the cross, and the other was eternal. If we are to take Christ at his word by Matthew 4:4 then all the commandments stand fast, they are the first time that God spoke something with his own voice and wrote it himself.
@salpezzino7803
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@@TheFaithofJesus-bk4wl Love You. I have been saying this over and over again. Even Christians don't get it. This is what makes dealing with the HRM cult difficult. Rob, is an antinomian and denies Christians are to keep the 10 Commandments, he teaches that the 10 commandments and the law of Moses are the same and had been fulfilled. I tell them - the 10 were written with the finger of God and the law of Moses was given to him by Angels. That doesn't seem to connect for them So, then I say - the 10 were placed inside the Ark of the Covenant and the law of Moses was outside ----- they still don't get it. Peace to You *I only repeated my argument hoping someone will read it. Rob doesn't understand it.
@TheFaithofJesus-bk4wl
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@@salpezzino7803 Well, I don't take the word" Cult " lightly, I believe there are millions of people who love the Lord sincerely but their eyes have yet to be opened. That's why it's up to us to preach the truth.
@johnnyblades7824
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not " every green plant" is food ( only an idiot would eat oleander or any of the other common poisonous green plants) just as not " everything that lives" is food -this guy trys hard to ignore context, to suit his insistance on downplaying the clear fact that the passage is not difficult to understand when you realize that sacrificial animals are are clean animals = food animals He keeps insisting the Father was borrowing from the traditions of men -as of his ways are not his own. -its hard to stomach what this guy reduces the scripture to in order to "defend" his own traditions
@petermochengo8647
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We must all be judged by God what will God use to judge us Romans 2:12-13
@simonskinner1450
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That is right as the Torah was given to Abraham, who kept Gods laws. Sin and death was an amendment which added sin due to Egypt.
@100watsoncm
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@@simonskinner1450sin and death were in this world before Abraham. There was know amendment- Romans 5:12-21
@simonskinner1450
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@@100watsoncm Sin and death were not part of God's laws until Moses, there was a lack of faith, but sin could not be imputed as there was no law. Romans 5:12-21 tells us that, and that passage tells us Jesus returned access to eternal life lost by Adam, and that the wages of sin is death.
@salpezzino7803
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Romans 2 is the Moral law - the 10 Commandments
@petermochengo8647
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People of God let us take the word of God as it is Jesus said if you love me keep my commandments Paul in Romans says in Romans 3:31 do we nullify the Lwa because of faith No we establish the Law
@CupOJoeOuttaIdaho
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And for the record, @timmartin is not a torah keeper if you actually got into his material more, you’d get that.
@timmartin4216
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Thanks, Joe.
@Jeff-xt7xs
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@@timmartin4216 Opposite of law obeying is LAWLESSNESS. Matthew 7:21-23
@randylundgren8421
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I agree that Torah means instructions. This would include all instructions that God had given scince the beginning. And they pretty much all had a consequence if not followed. Adam and Eve is the perfect example. But what about Noah? What would have been the consequence of him not following Gods instructions? So now we move to Sinai, God gave instructions on how to have a blessed life, not to mention order in a new nation, chosen by God to be his people. These instructions, referred to as the commandments also had consequences for not following them. These consequences also include instructions, aka commandments (curse of the law). He also gave instructions to the prophets to pass on to Israel, which also contained consequences if not followed. Some refer to these consequences as the dispersion, which God also refers to giving them a writing of divorcement. It's always instructions and consequences.
@harryabrahams2770
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Hi Rob ..Isaiah 2:2,3 …in the last days…the TORAH will go forth from Zion…Got Torah Got Truth
@pierreferguson1300
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Hebrews 9:18 Therefore even the first covenant was not inaugurated without blood. 19 For when every commandment had been spoken by Moses to all the people according to the Law, he took the blood of the calves and the goats, with water and scarlet wool and hyssop, and sprinkled both the book itself and all the people, 20 saying, “This is the blood of the covenant which God commanded you.” 21 And in the same way he sprinkled both the tabernacle and all the vessels of the ministry with the blood. (NASB)
@elijahirvin5911
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Law of Moses in Genesis. Genesis 14-20. Genesis 4:9. Genesis 7-2. Genesis 17.12. there are many more. Noah was a preacher of righteousness 2 peter 2.5 what is righteousness ps 119-172
@TheBiblicalRoots
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Hi Elijah. How could the Law of Moses have existed in these passages? Moses had not yet been born. RLS
@elijahirvin5911
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@@TheBiblicalRoots because the law of Moses is the law of God
@TheBiblicalRoots
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@@elijahirvin5911 Not according to 1 Corinthians 9:19-23, where Paul says he is three things all at the same time: 1. *Not* under the law of Moses 2. Under the law of God 3. Under the law of Christ RLS
@elijahirvin5911
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@@TheBiblicalRoots law of Christ is law of Moses Matthew 23 1.4
@dancingzolins6782
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You refer to four verses in Genesis whose principles are found LATER in the Law of Moses. Perhaps it would be more logical to say that Genesis is found in the Law of Moses. For example, we would not say the USA is in the 13 original colonies (dating back to the 1600s), but rather that the 13 colonies formed the basis of the USA. Galatians 3:16-17 tells us that the Law of Moses came 430 years AFTER the covenant with Abraham. Therefore, the Law of Moses is not in Genesis, although we see individual commands and principles mentioned there, such as the examples you provided.
@tbishop4961
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38:08 interesting way to reinterpret Genesis 2. He doesn't warn them of trials and tribulation. He says "in the day you eat thereof, dying you die"
@jacobsilverberg1329
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Prolepsis.
@petrulincu3732
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There is a passage in Jer.7:21-23, a bit cloudy (with a reference to Exo.15:26), that may support the idea of God giving at least some of the moral laws to Israel, shortly before Sinai. A kind of preprint edition 😃 Of course, the meaning of the Jeremiah passage is aligned with Hos. 6:6 and not with the aberrations proposed by the Torah keeping author - with all due respect. But anyway, the idea of God having at least the moral laws shortly predating the ceremonial covenant of Sinai may offer to the Torah keeping Gentiles and to the Jewish people following Judaism another possibility of making a similar analogy as in Romans 4:10 (New Testament) regarding Abraham justification and thus drawing them even closer to the new covenant fundamental in Jer.31:31-34 and in the end to it's fulfilment in Christ, the Jewish Messiah.
@freedominchrist444
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The moral laws existed before but not Mosaic law. Moral laws were included in Mosaic law. Sabbath feasts and dietary law were not moral commands and were not given until Sinai.
@petrulincu3732
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@@freedominchrist444 I was responding to Mr. Soldberg's commentary on claim #9. It's the only claim that he agrees upon with Mr. Martin - if I recall the correct name, but at the end he leaves some room for interpretation by saying: "which laws exactly and what that proves it's another matter". Of course, we can't say exactly which laws where given after the departure from Egypt and before Sinai, but at least some of the moral commandments had to be established already and were not just anachronisms, for the reason I brought in my first comment regarding Jer.7:21-23
@achristianconvertedtochris5862
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Genesis 1:14 (KJV+) 14 And God H430 said, H559 Let there be H1961 lights H3974 in the firmament H7549 of the heaven H8064 to divide H914 H996 the day H3117 from H996 the night; H3915 and let them be H1961 for signs, H226 and for seasons, H4150 and for days, H3117 and years: H8141
@coreybray9834
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Okay, if the commandments were not given until Exodus 20, how is it that the people already knew about the Sabbath in Exodus 16, prior to Exodus 20? Did they just guess and get lucky? And the Genesis account itself further refutes your claim, at least in part, where you suggest that the law was not given until Sinai. Gen 26:5 Because that Abraham obeyed my voice, and kept my charge, my commandments, my statutes, and my laws. How would Abraham know to keep God’s commandments, statutes and laws if God didn’t give any law until Sinai hundreds of years later? So, your attempt in all of this to use Paul in Galatians 3 to debunk the clearly stated facts within the Genesis account from the mouth of God concerning his own law is rather dubious at best. You might try to argue perhaps that Paul was suggesting that the law was not given in totality prior to Sinai, but to argue for the stronger case that God didn’t give a law before Sinai would make God into a liar in the above verse. Plus, outside the Bible we also have archeological and historical evidence of the similarities between the code of Hammurabi and the Mosaic law which came many centuries later, suggesting to many that Moses was plagerizing Hammurabi throughout academia. However, if Abraham lived around the same time as Hammurabi in the same region of Babylon, then it is possible that Abraham not only knew about God’s law as Genesis 26 proclaims and kept it, but he could have also had a huge influence on the code of Hammurabi as some suspect, such as is explained in the following article. armstronginstitute.org/846-did-moses-plagiarize-hammurabi Thus, potentially explaining why there are so many similarities between the Mosaic law and the much earlier code of Hammurabi. So, simply running to Paul as so many gracers do in a desperate attempt to make a case for the law not existing until Sinai in clear rejection of the Genesis account is just the usual silliness of people who try to replace toraism with Paulism. So, your premise itself leaves a lot to be desired at this point.
@harryabrahams2770
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Hi Rob..the heavenly bodies were created in the BEGINNING not on the 4th day..a little look into the Hebrew will make that clear..Got Torah Got Truth
@BenjaminBreedlove
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The law existed before Adam and Eve.
@dancingzolins6782
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Scriptural reference, chapter & verse?
@rightousliving
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Genesis 26:5 Because that Abraham obeyed my voice, and kept my charge, my commandments, my statutes, and my laws. What exactly is Moses here referring to as “my statutes and laws”. Surely commandments we can explain as Abraham having obeyed everything God told him to do. But statutes and laws are not so easily explained. It seems that after hundreds of years living in Egypt Israel has forgotten most of the statutes and laws and that because of this God again spoke them to them. Those Ten Commandments written in stone appear universal. Those laws and statutes added later seem to be more specific to Israel as national laws as many were made according to specific situations that arose.
@simonskinner1450
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Gods laws of faith were given to Abraham, but due to sin in Egypt God amended the Torah given to Abraham, which was fulfilled by the Messiah with a new covenant.
@rightousliving
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@simonskinner1450 As if God would change his mind. Why not giving the "amended" Torah from the beginning? And what exactly is already fulfilled by the Messiah with a "new" covenant? All messianic prophecies with the exception of Isaiah 53 are still outstanding. No world peace, no weapons formed to ploughshares. No Messianic age with the Messiah ruling from Jerusalem yet. The world went on as before, the only exception that Israel, the servant of God, was persecuted and murdered for two thousand years for no other reason but that they were Jews, culminating in the Holocaust, which actually means offering and is in my opinion the fulfilment of Isaiah 53, which describes Israel, the servant, being sacrificed because of the sins of the nations. He (the servant, Israel) was oppressed and afflicted, yet he did not open his mouth; he was led like a lamb to the slaughter, and as a sheep before its shearers is silent, so he did not open his mouth. (This is what happened in Germany when the Jews were led like a lamb to the death camps) 8 By oppression[a] and judgment he was taken away. (it became oppressive national laws for Jews during this time) Yet who of his generation protested? For he was cut off from the land of the living; (who protested. Not even the nations around Germany protested, not even America) for the transgression of my people he was punished.[b] (It wasn´t anything those Jews did, but the transgression of the nations. It´s the nations that are speaking here) 9 He was assigned a grave with the wicked, and with the rich in his death, though he had done no violence, nor was any deceit in his mouth. (The innocent were thrown into mass graves, it didn´t matter if they had been rich or poor before. They were not violent, committed no crime nor was any deceit) 10 Yet it was the Lord’s will to crush him and cause him to suffer, and though the Lord makes[c] his life an offering for sin, he will see his offspring and prolong his days, and the will of the Lord will prosper in his hand. (The holocaust means offering. Through this offering Israel became a nation again.) 11 After he has suffered, he will see the light of life[d] and be satisfied[e]; by his knowledge[f] my righteous servant will justify many, and he will bear their iniquities. (Israel will eventually become a powerful nation and the law will go out from Jerusalem. Nations will look to the Jews for guidance.) 12 Therefore I will give him a portion among the great,[g] and he will divide the spoils with the strong,[h] because he poured out his life unto death, and was numbered with the transgressors. (Israel shares the spoils of nations because it was persecuted and murdered by the nations. God doesn't forget who touched the apple of his eye) For he bore the sin of many, and made intercession for the transgressors. (Israel will become a priestly nation again that will make intercession for the transgressors).
@rightousliving
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@simonskinner1450 As if God would change his mind. Why not giving the "amended" Torah from the beginning? And what exactly is already fulfilled by the Messiah with a "new" covenant? All messianic prophecies with the exception of Isaiah 53 are still outstanding. No world peace, now weapons formed to ploughshares. No Messianic age with the Messiah ruling from Jerusalem yet. The world went on as before, the only exception that Israel, the servant of God, was persecuted and murdered for two thousand years for no other reason but that they were Jews, culminating in the Holocaust, which actually means offering and is in my opinion the fulfilment of Isaiah 53, which describes Israel, the servant, being sacrificed because of the sins of the nations. He (the servant, Israel) was oppressed and afflicted, yet he did not open his mouth; he was led like a lamb to the slaughter, and as a sheep before its shearers is silent, so he did not open his mouth. (This is what happened in Germany when the Jews were led like a lamb to the death camps) 8 By oppression[a] and judgment he was taken away. (it became oppressive national laws for Jews during this time) Yet who of his generation protested? For he was cut off from the land of the living; (who protested. Not even the nations around Germany protested, not even America) for the transgression of my people he was punished.[b] (It wasn´t anything those Jews did, but the transgression of the nations. It´s the nations that are speaking here) 9 He was assigned a grave with the wicked, and with the rich in his death, though he had done no violence, nor was any deceit in his mouth. (The innocent were thrown into mass graves, it didn´t matter if they had been rich or poor before. They were not violent, committed no crime nor was any deceit) 10 Yet it was the Lord’s will to crush him and cause him to suffer, and though the Lord makes[c] his life an offering for sin, he will see his offspring and prolong his days, and the will of the Lord will prosper in his hand. (The holocaust means offering. Through this offering Israel became a nation again.) 11 After he has suffered, he will see the light of life[d] and be satisfied[e]; by his knowledge[f] my righteous servant will justify many, and he will bear their iniquities. (Israel will eventually become a powerful nation and the law will go out from Jerusalem. Nations will look to the Jews for guidance.) 12 Therefore I will give him a portion among the great,[g] and he will divide the spoils with the strong,[h] because he poured out his life unto death, and was numbered with the transgressors. (Israel shares the spoils of nations because it was persecuted and murdered by the nations. God doesn't forget who touched the apple of his eye) For he bore the sin of many, and made intercession for the transgressors. (Israel will become a priestly nation again that will make intercession for the transgressors).
@rightousliving
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@@simonskinner1450 what exactly was fulfilled? Do we have world peace? Is the temple rebuilt and the Levitical priesthood re-established? Does the messiah rule in and the law does go out from Jerusalem? Do all the nations go to Israel once a year to celebrate the feast of tabernacle? The only fulfilment is that Israel, the servant of God, suffered at the hands of the nations for nearly two-thousand years and that they became the offering that caused the return to the nation of Israel. Yet it's only the beginning but we truly now live in the end-times where prophecies are fulfilled within our life-time.
@simonskinner1450
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@@rightousliving Jesus fulfilled the law by faith, and the prophets as the Messiah. The gospel of John is witness to Jesus as the Messiah and all prophecy fulfilled.
@richhava
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There are only two doctrine people Serpent doctrine And YHWHs doctrine Satan's doctrines common denominator is selfishness Yahs is selflessness. The 2 great commandments require commitment to selflessness So if you do not commit to selflessness which the Law defines Or You are committed to selfishness A little leaven spoils the entire loaf. Modern day xtianity Is serpent doctrine. It tells you the law don't matter. THAT SELFISHNESS DONT MATTER Come out of Babylon
@TheFaithofJesus-bk4wl
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Hmm, let's see, Sin is the transgression of the Law, now that was said by ------->John. Without the law, there can be no sin, that was said by ----------->Paul. Now if we are to take both at their word then in order for sin to exist there have to be laws or commandments in place to be broken. Did Lucifer rebel, did he lie, and covet God's throne for himself? What about Eve? Genesis says she saw the fruit as desirable here again the act of covetousness. What about Joseph? How did he know adultery was wrong when he uttered the words " How can I do this great wickedness in the sight of God " when he was tempted by Potifer's wife? What about Cain? Didn't God come to Caine and say to him " Why has thou countenance fallen? If thou doest well wilt thou not be accepted, but if thou doest not well, then sin lies at the door. " God knew Caines rage in his heart against Able, and he knew where it would lead cain and that was to murder. Of course, the commandments predate Sinai, not only that but God accuses the children of Israel of breaking the Sabbath 4 chapters before the Law is spoken by his own voice ( Matthew 4:4 ), engraved by his own finger into stone, you can break stone but you can't change what has already been engraved into it. Exodus 16:22-28 shows the Sabbath was being kept before it was given at Sinai, also, Exodus 5:5 does as well. The commandments were inherently known in the hearts of men, which allowed them to know right from wrong and make a morally right or wrong choice, and any other teaching is a false doctrine. The new covenant was to restore the law back into the hearts and minds ( Jeremiah 31:31-34 ) and ( Hebrews 10 ) of those who through loving obedience would claim the promises of Abraham being grafted into the vine ( that vine is Christ ) of Spiritual Israel. The problem with the Jews was they saw the Commandments as a legalistic form of do's and don'ts, a Christian sees them as I will, and I won't. a huge difference between the two. One keeps the law ( commandments ) to try and earn salvation, and the other keeps them when he has salvation. You don't keep the law to be saved, you keep them when you are saved! As an ex-Baptist, I now understand the difference, when your heart is truly converted obedience becomes part of the love you have for Christ, not because you're expected to do it, but because you want to be obedient so that sin has no rulership over you and the love of Christ is in you for God and mankind. It amazes me how much people will twist the scriptures to make the 10 commandments and the Mosaic Laws the same covenant, especially when any real bible student can and will see the difference between the two. This is why in the NT the commandments are referred to as the law and the Mosaic as the handwritten ordinances. The handwritten ordinances of the Mosaic Covenant being nailed to the cross of Christ, the Ten Commandments being eternal. If we take the sanctuary in Exodus as a replica of the one in heaven as instructed by Moses then what was in the same holiest of holies in the Ark of the Covenant according to what John saw in Revelation 11:19. The original Laws of the eternal God!
@salpezzino7803
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That was refreshing. You said Spiritual Israel is it safe to say you hold to Reformed Theology? I tell those in the HRM, I love God's Holy law and I am a Sabbatarian, the Christian Sabbath the Lord's Day, I am a child of Abraham, I am the True Israel. Peace
@TheFaithofJesus-bk4wl
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@@salpezzino7803 I am indeed a reformed theology believer, bro. We the church are New Israel, not the nation. They lost that privilege at the end of the 70 weeks in Daniel with the final rejection of Stephen's message. I'm also a Sabbath keeper 🙂
@salpezzino7803
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@@TheFaithofJesus-bk4wl Nice to meet you, Fellow Israel. If those in the HRM understood Reformed theology or Covenant theology they wouldn't be in their Cult, However, God does use cults to keep the Goats out of Jesus's Bride ❤
@kimartist
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@@TheFaithofJesus-bk4wl Aren't you SDA? I've seen you all over Myles channel defending it.
@TheFaithofJesus-bk4wl
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@kimartist Yes, I used to be Baptist.
@harryabrahams2770
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All people come from Adam so Hammurabi predating Moses just means that YHVH had already given Adam the Torah, and to state that Yahweh commandeered existing cultural elements for Himself is wrong…YHVH Is HOLY…Got Torah Got Truth
@mauricetravis868
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@randylundgren8421
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Abels sacrifice could have stemmed from when his parents were kicked out of the garden and God clothed them with the skin of an animal, a probable figure of the covering of sin by the blood sacrifice of an innocent substitute. Not a commandment for sure, however many cultures had similar practices, as you pointed out. Pointing to the possibility that this practice was for all people. All people, from which God chose Israel to be his people. So it is possible that the blood sacrifice predated Sinai, but not as a commandment, but possibly as an offering to the God that they knew existed, but didn't personally know.
@CadeWillcox
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So God showed them how to properly prepare a sacrifice and they did it from then on? Welcome to Torah.
@randylundgren8421
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@@CadeWillcox I don't know if he showed them or not. I'm not trying to prove one side or the other. Perhaps in the beginning all people sacrificed animals to God, there weren't any Israelites at that time. As people began to populate the earth several groups were formed, which in time became the nations. Maybe the nations began to vary how they did this, which evolved into idol worship, and child sacrifice. So when the descendants of Israel grew from seventy in number (not yet a nation) to over two million and cried out to God for deliverance, he pulled out a people for his name, a people that were previously not a nation. I'm not saying that the sacrificial system was commanded by God before Sinai, but I am saying that the animal sacrifices at Sinai probably had their roots in pre Sinai sacrifices. Just to be clear, I'm not saying these are a matter of fact. Just another possible point of view.
@CadeWillcox
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@randylundgren8421 Yeah man, I agree with that. Obviously I lean the way of God showing them how to do pleasing sacrifices from the beginning. Kind of like we see Job offering sin sacrifices for his children, though he isn't an Israelite. I just want to lean away from appealing to coincidence, which is what it seems like sohlberg is doing when he mentions pagan practices over and over again.
@harryabrahams2770
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Hi Rob ..” earth go around the sun “ …” earth rotates on its axis “… is this your lofty opinion that you’ve raised against the knowledge of God???..according to scripture YHVH stopped the sun from moving not the earth..Got Torah Got Truth
@TheBiblicalRoots
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Hi, Harry! Did you know God has a nose? "At the blast of [God's] nostrils the waters piled up; the floods stood up in a heap; the deeps congealed in the heart of the sea" (Exod. 15:8). ;-) RLS
@harryabrahams2770
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@@TheBiblicalRoots Hi Rob…not sure what you’re trying to point out here…what you’re saying about the earth going around the sun doesn’t line up with scripture …it would be more helpful if you could clarify your statements with scripture…otherwise it is just your opinion and argument of the flesh…Got Torah Got Truth
@justusmorton6555
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@@harryabrahams2770 It's a reductio ad absurdum (an arguement where the reasoning is taken to a more extreme example to showcase the flaws with the reasoning). In this case he is giving another example of something that would have to be accepted if you categorically reject the possibility that, for example, Joshua is using phenomenological language (the language of appearances). I hope this clears things up.
@TheBiblicalRoots
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@@justusmorton6555 Couldn't have said it better myself. Thanks! RLS
@harryabrahams2770
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@@justusmorton6555 thanks for your comment…Rob chose 2 Corinthians 10:5 to justify his attempt to discredit some statements someone had made…he chose to give his lofty opinion raised against the KNOWLEDGE OF GOD ( scripture )..” earth around the sun “ is not in scripture, cannot be verified visually or scientifically…” spins on its axis “.. is not in scripture, cannot be verified visually or scientifically…his response is absurd and condescending unless he can back up his claims…is Rob choosing to follow the flesh over the Spirit??? ..Got Torah Got Truth
@dmoffitt1914
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There has to be a law to be declared righteous or wicked. Romans 2:12 12 For all who have sinned without the law will also perish without the law, and all who have sinned under the law will be judged by the law Example of this Genesis 6:5-9 (just showing 5 and 9 for time) [5] Then the Lord saw that the wickedness of man was great on the earth, and that every intent of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually. [8] But Noah found favor in the eyes of the Lord. [9] These are the records of the generations of Noah. Noah was a righteous man, blameless in his time; Noah walked with God.
@davidjoly9816
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"For all who have sinned without the law will perish..." How does someone sin without the law? Paul is referring to people who sin apart from the law of Moses. It's not that sin did not exist before Sinai. Adam sinned against God's commandment. So did Cain. People had the knowledge of good evil, and they likely would have taught righteousness, as Noah did. You don't need a codified law to know murder is wrong, for example. Rebelling against the righteous teaching of your elders is the fruit of a wicked heart, both with the law, and without the law.
@dmoffitt1914
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@@davidjoly9816 Romans 4:15 " where there is no law there is no sin" 1John3:6 "for sin is the transgression of the law" To clarify I take the position The law was in effect prior to Sinai. The laws of God is the laws of Moses. I agree with your examples because they are proof that the law was existing before Mount Sinai. Sacrifice was used to make Adam's garment. Kane was punished for murder. Noah knew what animals were clean and unclean. People Gain the ability to determine what is good and what is bad after eating the fruit. This is why people in history have declared murder as good such as Genghis Khan. Or idolatry is good or homosexuality is good as we see today (all contrary to God's laws). Ignorance of the law is no excuse, so you just died in ignorance. Romans 5:14-19 "Nevertheless death reigned from Adam to Moses, even over them that had not sinned after the similitude of Adam's transgression."
@achristianconvertedtochris5862
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H4150 (Strong) מוֹעָדָה מֹעֵד מוֹעֵד mô‛êd mô‛êd mô‛âdâh mo-ade', mo-ade', mo-aw-daw' From H3259; properly an appointment, that is, a fixed time or season; specifically a festival; conventionally a year; by implication, an assembly (as convened for a definite purpose); technically the congregation; by extension, the place of meeting; also a signal (as appointed beforehand): - appointed (sign, time), (place of, solemn) assembly, congregation, (set, solemn) feast, (appointed, due) season, solemn (-ity), synagogue, (set) time (appointed). Total KJV occurrences: 223
@Jeff-xt7xs
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How many really obey any Scripture....... 2 Corinthians 13:12 “Greet one another with an holy kiss.”
@davidjoly9816
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This is typically going to be interpreted as a cultural greeting. In many cultures, a kiss is used as a greeting. Other cultures have a bow, others the shaking of hands.
@prophetcentral
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I think the word Torah is compromised by the Jews. Torah is so much more than the "Old Covenant" law. That law was dead and had no power to save. It was full of sacrifices and burnt offerings, blood and death. God never wanted that. He even told Jeremiah and the people of Judah that he never spoke it nor commanded it since they left Egypt. The fact is that many aspects incorporated into the "old covenant" were taken from the everlasting covenant. That is the covenant that was established since before the world was, and endures beyond when the world passes away. That true law is the Torah that is renewed over and over again. The old one doesn't. It dies along with Christ and does not get raised, but that doesn't mean EVERY aspect of that old law goes in the trash. Christians would never go for that, so where we do we draw the line for which aspects renew and which do not? I will tell you that it is known in charity and by the gift and power of the Holy Ghost.
@salpezzino7803
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this page draws in the Crazy - "That law was dead and had no power to save. It was full of sacrifices and burnt offerings, blood and death. God never wanted that" what god do you serve? NutZ
@prophetcentral
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@@salpezzino7803 crazy fits with all of God's servants. I serve the God of my salvation, the one who manifests himself in power by his spirit.
@salpezzino7803
Ай бұрын
@@prophetcentral However you are a special kinda crazy ---------------- that Satanic kind
@CadeWillcox
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Overall, your arguments against the claims are based on scriptural silence. Breaking God's actions into prescriptive and descriptive. Its natural to come to that conclusion when you approach the bible from a dispensational standpoint. You also mention that some of these could be from pagan practices in the ancient near east, rather than assuming that all pagan practices flowed from the perfect ordinances that God established at creation. This is your go-to and also your weakest defense. God literally killed the guy who did not fulfill the levirate marriage law, same punishment as the many people who disobeyed to Torah after Sinai. But I guess that's just s pagan practice too. In your view, God gave Israel laws based on the doctrine of accommodation in accordance with what their pagan neighbors were doing? A total subversion of how psalm 119 describes God's Torah. It's not pagan, it's God's righteous standard. Ps 119:174
@richhava
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This is really what you are saying you when you say the Commandments are burdensome..... You try to answer the question...before I give it. Keep in mind, that all selfishness is sin This creates a common sense fact. The Law requires selflessness... Here is the answer. When you call the Commandments burdensome you are saying being selfless is burdensome. And to all of you still stuck in this lie imputed in us by slow and methodical deception is why you think they are burdensome Because they cause you to give up all your selfish desires You can't live your neighbor as yourself If everyone committed to a selfless life, we would all have everything we ever wanted or needed And live in bliss on earth surrounded by evil. Evil could not cross the line dividing people who strive to be selfless
@salpezzino7803
Ай бұрын
that is a load of nonsensical and heretical vomit
@richhava
Ай бұрын
@@salpezzino7803 Please explain yourself or keep your trap shut.
@salpezzino7803
Ай бұрын
@@richhava I am sorry, which part of this did you not understand "that is a load of nonsensical and heretical vomit?"
@richhava
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@@salpezzino7803 It's the Truth. If it's nonsensical then prove me wrong with scripture or something. Other than that you run your mouth and then run like a coward.... So make no mistake here. Gaslighting me will never work. You are a first class COWARD.... So go way or be a man...
@swebb77
Ай бұрын
If the 10 Words are the moral framework for humanity, summed in 'agape love', then of course sin has always been sin and goes to Eden by inference... anything short of perfect agape love, 'misses the mark'. And if it's only about legalistic practices, yeah, run the other way. But God is the Author (with His own finger) of the moral law, and He is the Author of Grace IN Christ, and God doesn't speak out of both sides of His mouth. If Grace is now my Master, I'm to submit my 'members as instruments righteousness' to be a 'slave of righteousness' humanly speaking or as I prefer 'servant of Love' for God IS Love! His Law is Love, He writes His Law of Love on our hearts by His Spirit, 'the Spirit of the Son, whereby we cry Abba, ,Father'. I think the enemy wants to discount God's Law by making it seen only legalistically and forgetting it's the basis of the Government of God otherwise it's lawlessness... I appreciate Rob's good teaching... seems it's the recurring theme of the food n Sabbath...Probably one of the reasons I haven't been around believers in so many years and just study on my own... I miss being around believers but not the legal arguments. I sorta wish the Sabbath wasn't part of the Moral Law as the 'obligation' aspect would be removed we'd be drawn to get the Blessing that God put on those weekly hours... as it's those hours and not just any is how I think about it... and again if presented in a legal framework, then it should be rejected... otherwise, I'm going to try to 'remember' and I can do that everyday and celebrate those hours as they roll around every week, reminding me we have a Creator who loves me, Redeems me, and I can rest IN HIm... ❤
@salpezzino7803
Ай бұрын
No one can claim perfect agape love, 'misses the mark'.
@kimartist
Ай бұрын
@@swebb77 You're SDA so of course you are "attracted" to the Sabbath you think saves you & vindicates God's character whenever you keep it. Poor God. Whatever will He do without your help? (sarc) When in reality you need His help. Read & understand the Gospels & at least 15 chapters of Acts to be saved.
@simonskinner1450
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The obedience of faith is from the beginning, Adam disobeyed God, he had not sinned as that law did not come in until Moses, due to sin in Egypt.
@salpezzino7803
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what the hell is wrong with you? "Adam disobeyed God, he had not sinned as that law did not come in until Moses" You are Insane Romans 5:12 Therefore, just as sin came into the world through one man, and death through sin, and so death spread to all men because all sinned- Rob how are you making out with your Boy Simon here? Jesus would be rebuking him hashly
@davidjoly9816
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Read Romans 5-12-21. Adam did indeed sin. He transgressed the commandment God gave him. You can sin without the law of Moses (Romans 2:12).
@simonskinner1450
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@@davidjoly9816 Without the law of sin you cannot be accused of sin, as sin is not imputed when there is no law. It is the principle of disobedience of God's commandments that are sin, and because Adam died, the judicial condemnation that accompanies disobedience is established by Adam. On reflection Paul calls Adams disobedience a sin because of judicial condemnation, so that is in tune with the law given to Moses by the letter, that breaking God's commandments means death. Paul of course was speaking as someone under the jurisdiction of the law, to others in Rome also under the jurisdiction of the law, else without the law sin cannot be imputed.
@BillyJack-vr5cp
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I certainly agree with your final conclusion that The Law i.e. Torah doesn't predate Sinai, I wonder why all the fluff and stuff and the commentary? You 'experts' always got to complicate things to make it look like only an expert can figure this out. Downplaying those that minister on the Internet, claiming that history takes a back seat to Theology and using what the majority of Christians believe as a standard we should go by is just extrabiblical nonsense. Narrow is the way applies to what the majority of Christians believe as well. The majority of Christians focus on the family not God, are fond of cliques, are materialistic...., so using what the majority of Christians believe as a test of legitimacy is just wrong. Getting a PHD in institutions that are subject to the world and Historical Method which uses the fallible to interpret the infallible is a liability not an asset. You experts seem to have forgotten God's way of using the foolish to confound the wise. Just go back to Abraham, before Israel and this is what Paul says: "What then shall we say that Abraham, our forefather according to the flesh, discovered in this matter? 2 If, in fact, Abraham was justified by works, he had something to boast about-but not before God. 3 What does Scripture say? “Abraham believed God, and it was credited to him as righteousness.” 4 Now to the one who works, wages are not credited as a gift but as an obligation." (Romans 4; Gen. 15:4-6)
@BillyJack-vr5cp
Ай бұрын
The destruction of the Jewish Temple and The fully formed Body of Christ determined when the feasts and the middle wall of partition between Jew and Gentile were completely removed and the removal (rapture) of the Body of Christ, rebuilding of the Jewish Temple and the rise of the AntiChrist determines when they come back. (Ro. 16:20; 1 Thess. 2:14-18; Ps. 110:1,4; Eph. 2:14-17, 20-22; He. 8:13; 1 Thess. 4:16,17; 2 Thess 2)
@messengerisrael3817
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DOES THE LAW PRE-DATE SINAI ? 1. GENESIS 1:27-28 , 27.So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them. 28And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth. FIRST LAW GOD GAVE TO MAN . 2. GENESIS 2:16-17 , 16.And the LORD God commanded the man, saying, Of every tree of the garden thou mayest freely eat: 17But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die. SECOND LAW GOD GAVE TO MAN . 3. GEBESIS 3:4-7 , 4.And the serpent said unto the woman, Ye shall not surely die: 5For God doth know that in the day ye eat thereof, then your eyes shall be opened, and ye shall be as gods, knowing good and evil. 6And when the woman saw that the tree was good for food, and that it was pleasant to the eyes, and a tree to be desired to make one wise, she took of the fruit thereof, and did eat, and gave also unto her husband with her; and he did eat. 7And the eyes of them both were opened, and they knew that they were naked; and they sewed fig leaves together, and made themselves aprons. THIS LAW WAS GIVEN TO MAN , NOT BY GOD , BUT BY SATAN : ISAIAH 14:12 , How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations! Lucifer According to 3 sources Lucifer the rebel archangel whose fall from heaven was supposed to be referred to in Isaiah 14:12; Lucifer was traditionally interpreted as the name of Satan before his fall, and gives rise to the expression proud as Lucifer. The name comes (in Old English) from Latin, ‘light-bringing morning star’. ) . HEBREWS 1:13-14 , 13.But to which of the angels said he at any time, Sit on my right hand, until I make thine enemies thy footstool? 14Are they not all ministering spirits, sent forth to minister for them who shall be heirs of salvation? SATAN IS AN ANGEL , AND HE WAS CREATED TO MINISTER THE WORD OF GOD TO MAN , BUT INIQUITY WAS FOUND IN HIM ; THAT IS WHY ADAM WAS TOLD NOT TO EAT FROM HIM ( TREE OF THE KNOWLEDGE OF GOOD & EVIL ) . EZEKIEL 28:13-15 , 13.Thou hast been in Eden the garden of God; every precious stone was thy covering, the sardius, topaz, and the diamond, the beryl, the onyx, and the jasper, the sapphire, the emerald, and the carbuncle, and gold: the workmanship of thy tabrets and of thy pipes was prepared in thee in the day that thou wast created. 14Thou art the anointed cherub that covereth; and I have set thee so: thou wast upon the holy mountain of God; thou hast walked up and down in the midst of the stones of fire. 15Thou wast perfect in thy ways from the day that thou wast created, till iniquity was found in thee. LUCIFER OR SATAN WAS UPON THE HOLY MOUNTAIN OF GOD ( MOUNTAIN MEANS GOVERNMENT ) . ALL KNOWLEDGE COMES FROM GOD , GOOD & EVIL ; MAN WAS TO BE TAUGHT WHAT HE SHOULD DO , AND NOT DO , TO BECOME THE KIND . ALL OTHER CREATURES WERE CREATED IN THEIR KIND ; MAN WAS CREATED IN THE IMAGE & LIKENESS OF GOD , BUT NOT THE KIND : THE TREE OF LIFE , ALSO IN THE MIDST OF THE GARDEN , WAS TO TEACH MEN HOW TO BECOME THE KIND . ANGELS STAND IN THE PRESENCE OF GOD , AND ONLY SPEAK WHAT THEY HEAR FROM GOD . EXODUS 23:20-22 , 20.Behold, I send an Angel before thee, to keep thee in the way, and to bring thee into the place which I have prepared. 21Beware of him, and obey his voice, provoke him not; for he will not pardon your transgressions: for my name is in him. 22But if thou shalt indeed obey his voice, and do all that I speak; then I will be an enemy unto thine enemies, and an adversary unto thine adversaries. SATAN KNEW THE LAWS OF GOD , AND HE GAVE IT TO MAN ; BUT SATAN WISH TO BE ABOVE GOD , WHICH LACK UNDERSTANDING . PROVERBS 2:1-6 , 1.My son, if thou wilt receive my words, and hide my commandments with thee; 2So that thou incline thine ear unto wisdom, and apply thine heart to understanding; 3Yea, if thou criest after knowledge, and liftest up thy voice for understanding; 4If thou seekest her as silver, and searchest for her as for hid treasures; 5Then shalt thou understand the fear of the LORD, and find the knowledge of God. 6For the LORD giveth wisdom: out of his mouth cometh knowledge and understanding. DO YOU SEE ANYWHERE IN THE SCRIPTURES BEFORE GOD GAVE THE ISRAELITES THE LAW OF FIRSTFRUIT , AND LAW OF THANKSGIVING ? SO WHY DID CAIN & ABEL OFFER FIRSTFRUITS TO GOD ; ALSO NOAH OFFER THANKSGIVING TO GOD AFTER THE FLOOD ? WHY WAS CAIN WROTH WHEN HIS OFFERING WAS NOT RESPECTED BY GOD , UNLESS HE HAD SOME KNOWLEDGE OF WHAT IT MEANS? GENESIS 4:25-26 , 25.And Adam knew his wife again; and she bare a son, and called his name Seth: For God, said she, hath appointed me another seed instead of Abel, whom Cain slew. 26And to Seth, to him also there was born a son; and he called his name Enos: then began men to call upon the name of the LORD. HOW DO YOU CALL UPON THE NAME OF THE LORD , UNLESS YOU KNOW WHAT HE WANTS ? GENESIS 17;1 , And when Abram was ninety years old and nine, the LORD appeared to Abram, and said unto him, I am the Almighty God; walk before me, and be thou perfect. HOW WAS ABRAM TO WALK BEFORE GOD AND BE PERFECT , UNLESS HE KNEW WHAT HE WAS TO DO ? GOD GAVE ABRAM THE LAW OF CIRCUMCISION , BUT WHAT ABOUT ALL THE OTHER LAWS REQUIRED TO BE A SON OF GOD ? ROMANS 8:14 , For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God. GENESIS 26:5 , Because that Abraham obeyed my voice, and kept my charge, my commandments, my statutes, and my laws. ALL INSTRUCTIONS BY THE GOD OF ISRAEL ARE LAWS , EVEN WHEN SATAN GAVE THEM TO MAN . THE CHILDREN OF ISRAEL IS THE ONLY NATION THAT GOD HIMSELF HAST GIVEN HIS LAWS TO OBEY . PSALM 147:19-20 , 19.He sheweth his word unto Jacob, his statutes and his judgments unto Israel. 20He hath not dealt so with any nation: and as for his judgments, they have not known them. Praise ye the LORD. WHEN HE GAVE HIS WORD TO ISRAEL , A MIXED MULTITUDE WAS PRESENT ; THAT IS WHY HE TOLD MOSES THIS : EXODUS 12:49 , One law shall be to him that is homeborn, and unto the stranger that sojourneth among you. REMEMBER ! GOD IS NO RESPECTER OF PERSON , ANYONE FROM ANY NATION WHO FEAR HIM AND WORKETH RIGHTEOUSNESS , HE ACCEPT . GOD'S LAWS WERE GIVEN GIVEN TO MAN IN THE GARDEN OF EDEN , BUT BY WHO ? SHALOM !
@tbishop4961
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It post dates the claim by at least 500 years. Genesis-deuteronomy weren't even written until hundreds of years after moses was supposed to exist. Easily demonstrated by language being used
@vernmiroth1626
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#R.L.Solberg I'm tempted to go through this minute by minute and doing a breakdown of the whole thing. There are numerous examples where you make a statement as if it is an accepted fact, and just move on, effectively grooming your audience to a desired conclusion. But that would be a long and tedious response. There are literally several dozens of minor points of contention I have with some of the things you say. Many minor inaccuracies all help construct this strawman you continue to push. Rather then doing such a breakdown, i have one simple question for you. There are two options, your view that says that God has standards that are issued solely on the basis of race. This despite the handful of verses that say the opposite, that he does NOT have two standards. A set of instructions that, although you acknowledge are good holy and pure, yet are only for a specific race of people. Or there is the view that we says we should not even say such things, that God would separate us from his people, Isaiah 56? The view that acknowledges that, as you bring up, that ancient Judaism has always said that the Torah is for them only, not for the nations. Christianity agrees, they in effect have said “yes, that burdensome Torah is for you guys, we don’t want it. That is certainly true, but that has no relevance to the issue. It is the view that the Torah is pure and holy and is intended as a way of life for followers of the Creator. It is the view that acknowledges that the lifestyle of Messiah is what I should model. If He followed Torah, so should I despite the foolish counter argument of insisting he lived under a different covenant effectively dismissing his lifestyle as having any objective relevance. It is the view that truly treats all of Scripture to be true, including Deut 13 and its definition of a false prophet. That that pericope surpasses the “law of Moses “ but simply defines the criteria of a prophet. This definition is either true, or it’s not. My view has it remaining consistently applied. Basically my question is this. Mr Solberg, you can choose eithrr a positive or negative approach. You approach the law as something that must be firmly established as binding. You approach it from an apparently rebellious position that will not obey unless your specifically included. Contrarily, there is the view that says every instruction of my loving Father is intended for my benefit. It trusts that the ways of the Father are to be apprehended and not to be argued against. So my question is why do you take a negative approach?
@salpezzino7803
Ай бұрын
please don't Vern, Satan Loves You
@Jeff-xt7xs
Ай бұрын
@@salpezzino7803 Opposite of law obeying is LAWLESSNESS. Matthew 7:21-23
@TheBiblicalRoots
Ай бұрын
Hello, Vern. Respectfully you are anachronistically applying modern racial theory to an ancient text that knew nothing of the sort. This has nothing to do with race (there are more Semitic "races" than merely Israelites) and everything to do with a nation called by God (Exod. 19:3-6). God has one standard, and there is one Shepherd and one flock (John 10:16). And the NT expressly teaches that many of the commands given under the Old Covenant Law do not apply to Christians today. (ex. Repeated blood sacrifices for sin are no longer required (Heb 10:18).) We still serve God and obey His commands, “But now we are released from the law, having died with Christ to that which held us captive, so that we serve in the new way of the Spirit and not in the old way of the written code” (Rom 7:6). And “If you are led by the Spirit, you are not under the law: (Gal. 5:18). Shalom, RLS
@salpezzino7803
Ай бұрын
@@Jeff-xt7xs you know what makes me NutZ about you Cultists? In Matthew 7 Jesus was speaking to Torah Keepers about those who believe their works meant something. Torah Keepers are the True Lawless Ones - You are just another ignorant Satanist that has Zero understanding of the Holy Scriptures, you and Vern have shown us this over and over again Christians can't be Lawless - Titus 2 Satan Loves You
@vernmiroth1626
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@@TheBiblicalRoots I am doing no such thing! I am saying YOUR THEOLOGY is racist, not the text itself. I'm saying that your theology that separates you as a Christian from a Jew is itself racist. You didn't answer the question but instead just threw up a smokescreen to distract from the real issue, the question you refused to answer. Again, one can read Genesis 1 and 2, compare it with Yeshua's words that the Sabbath wasade for mankind. One can realize that the Sabbath was not made at Sinai and thus understand that God is consistent and did give us this blessing from the beginning..... Or you can begin with the preconceived notion that the Sabbath was just for the Jews, that God blessed the seventh day at creation but gave it no application until Sinai. I'm not sure why you would take that approach but here we are. No, you evaded the question, you work much harder inventing reasons not to obey then simply submitting to your Father's instructions. You consistently refer to animal sacrifices. The scriptures make it clear that these had a temporary nature. You want to make the entire Torah temporary. You can choose to obey or you can choose not to be and you choose to invent reasons not to be. Please answer the question, why do you take a negative approach? PS. Why do you ignore the behavior of your follower Sal Pezzino? He is a constant irritant but you say nothing. Also, using words like "respectfully", "Shalom" and "my HR friends" are just empty words and have the opposite effect, it conveys insincerity and makes you appear artificial..just saying
@relway3209
Ай бұрын
Yes it does - kzitem.info/news/bejne/xmOfmn2ArneIqqg
@Nazarene_Judaism
Ай бұрын
the Torah existed in heaven not only before God revealed it to Moses but even before the world was created. Shabbat 88b-89a: [ The angels ] said before Him: [ The Torah is a ] hidden treasure that was concealed by you 974 generations before the creation of the world, [ and ] you seek to give it to flesh and blood?
@salpezzino7803
Ай бұрын
You get rebuked and rebuked and you come back for more. Judaism worships a false god and there is no truth in them
@rightousliving
Ай бұрын
It was the snake, not Satan, that spoke to Adam and Eve. Satan doesn’t appear at all in this story nor is he mentioned until much later in Numbers 22 as a messenger (angel) of YHVH (God).
@100watsoncm
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Gen 3:1,2,4,13,14 key word Serpent Rev 12:9; 20:2 key word Serpent
@rightousliving
Ай бұрын
@@100watsoncm That doesn't prove a thing. Only because the book of Revelation mentions the word Serpent doesn't mean the snake in the garden of Eden is not an animal but a Son or Messenger of God (Satan). You can't redefine words in a book from books written many hundred years later. For example the word 'gay' meant happy in the past. Only because today it means something else doesn't mean when I dance the Gay Gordon, that I am gay.
@100watsoncm
Ай бұрын
@@rightousliving just because people use a word differently doesn’t negate the original meaning of a word. Does the rainbow mean gay pride or Gods promise to mankind?
@rightousliving
Ай бұрын
@@100watsoncm of course not. That's what I'm saying. A snake meant snake then and still means snake today. However, saying that it actually means Satan (adversary, a son or messenger of God) is giving it a new meaning it never had. In Christian circles snake or serpent has taken a new meaning, which is what happened with the word gay. It still has the original meaning of happy but our generation now doesn't associate it that way anymore. The same with the rainbow. That's why we Christians should be more careful and guarded against misappropriation of words, especially if they have significant meaning in the scriptures.
@salpezzino7803
Ай бұрын
Your Boy Satan loves you - You must use scripture to interpret scripture Revelation 12:9 And the great dragon was thrown down, that ancient serpent, who is called the devil and Satan, the deceiver of the whole world-he was thrown down to the earth, and his angels were thrown down with him
@Jeff-xt7xs
Ай бұрын
I would demand your money back from the Seminary or bible college you went too because they taught you wrong!
@MrH4YAH
Ай бұрын
Another teaching from the professor. The truth is, if you are in "new covenant"--you are to no longer teach people to "kbow God" . But you continue to bombard people with your twisted teachings out of vanity. You are right that gentiles will not "know the law" nor will they be in the KoG, only Hebrews grafted in. No longer gentile.
@richhava
Ай бұрын
Here is my two cents. YHWH is the Torah The kingdom of YHWH must be governed by the Law. Satan (the serpent) was the first jack ass to break the Law. To break the Law, you must commit an act of selfishness. The serpent succumbed to PRIDE
@simonskinner1450
Ай бұрын
The law of faith was from the beginning, Adam broke the obedience of faith, but sin was not added to Sinai. I have a Ytube video series 'Myths in so-called Christianity' for NT truth.
@richhava
Ай бұрын
@@simonskinner1450 Send a link I always keep my truth on trial. The Holy Spirit is to be trusted more than the 66 books because man has corrupted the snot out of whatever the Bible should say in Hebrew The HS put the idea of the Law governs heaven in me and it does not cross any biblical line.... Look forward to watching your video
@rightousliving
Ай бұрын
@@richhava Unfortunately we have many Pastors today who claim to be led by the Holy Spirit but teach doctrines that often contradict each other. Does the Holy Spirit give one person one revelation and to another a different one that completely contradicts it? Scriptures are important but before we trust it they need to be validated. The books of the TeNaCh were each validated against the teachings of the Torah. Those apocryphal books like Enoch, Tobias, etc, didn't make it into the TeNaCh because they contradict the teachings of the Torah in some way. The same is with the New Testament. It doesn't pass the test against the Torah and therefore should be rejected as being part of a bible. This doesn't mean they are useless, but they need to be critical assessed in the same way as the apocryphal scriptures. They are a mixture between truth and error. There is a saying of Jesus which says that a farmer was sowing good seeds on a field but then a bad person sowed bad seed into the same field. When asked what to do about it he said to let both grow together because dealing with it too early would mean that the good seed would be pulled out together with the bad. Rather wait till harvest time and then separate the good from the bad. We are living now in times of harvest and it's time we separate the good seed from the bad.
@simonskinner1450
Ай бұрын
@@richhava Sorry not very literate at sending a link, but my latest video title might help you search, 'Is Christianity the truth of the NT? No. #31 Myths in so-called Christianity'. The series is 'Myths in so-called Christianity', I hope you do check it out.
@richhava
Ай бұрын
@@simonskinner1450 I can find it that way... Ty I will check it out and get back with you... But I have a question for you? What governed heaven if not the Law. Satan allowed the sin of selfishness (pride cause he wanted to be like the Most High). If not the breaking of the Law, what is it.?
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