Ironically, the answer is in your question. The fact that the stone +7 is only accessible later in the game is precisely to prevent you from having the possibility of upgrading your equipment to +9 too early in the game.
@Local_commentor
11 ай бұрын
Is that why I got the blasphemous blade maxed out in 3 hours
@edoardobi7502
11 ай бұрын
Bruh wtf... you just change the drops between them. +7 where there is +9 for example. This explanations doesnt make sense
@filthy_peasant_the_one2134
11 ай бұрын
@@edoardobi7502it locks you into upgrading up to a +7 weapon and not +8
@plank9456
11 ай бұрын
Well, a +6 somber weapon is plenty to defeat the godskin at volcano manor, then boom, you're +9.. and actually +10 if you followed varre's quest and have access to the lord of bloods area
@Local_commentor
11 ай бұрын
@@plank9456 ye and magrit got reminded who's boss
@meta.versus
11 ай бұрын
If this video ends with "and that's why-" I'm going to commit the crime of jaywalking
@meta.versus
11 ай бұрын
It did not end the say that I expected it to. Thank you, I hate that trend. I am no longer going to commit the crime of jaywalking.
@thinhhoang3338
11 ай бұрын
Fuck it, jaywalk anyway for the sake of any other videos that ends with that. Any creator these days tryna make a perfect loop and it ends up being so cringe
@merchkerns
10 ай бұрын
Did you know that-
@jonw9791
10 ай бұрын
Thank you lol people keep forcing a loop like I’m going to watch the video again why would I do that
@hchwhat
10 ай бұрын
That was a close one. Thank you for not coming that heinous crime
@D1amondweaver
9 ай бұрын
Specifically so that you have to explore places such as volcano manor. Having the 8 and 9 pushes you to find the seven, because now it is effectively worth three upgrades.
@ohmygoditisspider7953
8 ай бұрын
if intentional, super clever. if not, still clever.
@Void-Knull
6 ай бұрын
@@ohmygoditisspider7953 considering this is fromsoftware, I'm gonna guess it was intentional
@musicarain4702
4 ай бұрын
@@ohmygoditisspider7953 definitely intentional. 7 is a soft lock
@Yello_25
3 ай бұрын
Can you get the somber smithing stone 7 before entering the big, main area at the north side of the map though? Because I just reached the altus plateau and have moonveil +9
@musicarain4702
3 ай бұрын
@@Yello_25 not sure which big main area you're speaking of, but your first somber 7 is locked behind at least 1 decently high level boss. You can do things out of order so you probably went deep into one area before doing the altis plateau
@justinlefkowitz2413
2 ай бұрын
Same reason +3 smithing stones are hard to find, and you can't get the bell bearing till you make it to the Sealed Tunnel: resource management
@frankzhang1246
Ай бұрын
You could buy it from Iji. But yes somber 3s are hard to come by, pretty sure I had 4 or 5 somber 4s before I got my first somber 3
@SYNQBTW
Ай бұрын
@@frankzhang1246 he said smithing stone 3 not somber stone 3
@Niblss
Ай бұрын
Or occam's razor: design oversights. But no, fromsoft is perfect (just ignore the garbage game optimization, garbage balancing and garbage netcode, ofc, all intentional too)
@slendydie1267
Ай бұрын
@@Niblss It is design oversights but people ALWAYS glaze Fromsoft. Ignore the reused animations from 7 games ago. The goofy engine, clunky mechanics and a clunky horse. They are perfect the way they are in the eyes of a fromsoft junkie. Ignore the boring and tedious location to explore, the reused bosses, the badly designed dungeons too. Their games are full of flaws and design oversights but people just REFUSE to see them or acknowledge them. Its like FromSoft are a godsent of game development.
@justinlefkowitz2413
Ай бұрын
@@Niblss you should go outside sometimes man
@tyberiousTem
2 ай бұрын
Finally a short that doesn’t and with “and that’s why-“ 💀
@ratinmeatmeatinrat
2 ай бұрын
Such a coincidence that the only two comments mention him saying that, are right next to each other. Also a coincidence that the original is 9months old and hella likes so you just blatantly copied the comment, trying to leech likes and attention...that's pathetic.
@voteforfire
2 ай бұрын
@@ratinmeatmeatinratget a life nibba
@Guyacrossthestreet
2 ай бұрын
@@ratinmeatmeatinratYou like, mentally good dude? Need help?
@beafycow5358
2 ай бұрын
@@ratinmeatmeatinratyou know two people can have the same idea for a comment? And it’s not like he copied and pasted it either.
@ToyotaCorolla-en2mv
2 ай бұрын
Why did you point this out now I can't ignore it anymore😭
@Harryjordan
9 ай бұрын
It's probably so you don't leave Limgrave with a +9 somber weapon
@livingreverie5951
8 ай бұрын
+9 Somber weapon at least
@swishyb
8 ай бұрын
there has to be a more specific reason tho. bc why on earth would you put a +9 in limgrave and not just up to a +7. it makes the progression feel very lopsided for a ton of players who end up with a ton of lore wise "nearly godlike smithing stones" but cant find a crappy one to save their life lol
@camdogg
8 ай бұрын
@@swishyb the +9 and +8 isnt on limgrave tho its in caelid its just that you dont need to fight to grab it, pretty hidden too unless you looked it up.
@keithpoley3432
8 ай бұрын
@@swishybcould be just to tease gamers, especially newcomers. Having higher stones you can't use makes one think you could find the +7s easily possibly. But yet never find them till later so it's kind of funny.
@swishyb
8 ай бұрын
@@camdoggi mean thats true. i think the game as a whole still suffers from the lopsidey feeling of it tho as the game will take you to way overleveled areas thru like teleporters and such. i feel like a lot of people will come across that kinda issue just naturally too like i did
@greathorn
9 ай бұрын
Honestly you answered your own question, if they can block you off from getting +7, it effectively doesn’t matter where they put the +8, +9 and Ancient Dragon variants because you can’t use them until you meet the challenge threshold set up with +7. This allows the player to sneak into SOME late-game areas and feel like they’re getting incredibly valuable upgrade materials, but they’re still effectively gated off from becoming overpowered unless they’re skilled enough to defeat the Godskin Noble in the Volcano Manor (which is also very effectively hidden from players that haven’t gotten to Altus Plateau yet). Rewarding and fair at the same time.
@echo.1209
8 ай бұрын
The point of the question is... why even do that at all? Why have a progression system where you can go straight from 6 to 9 or 10 just by finding a somber 7? They could have made the 7 a bit easier to get and the 8, 9, and 10 all locked behind bosses so as to make a more linear progression system
@redminus
8 ай бұрын
@@echo.1209 likely because this way the 8,9,10 etc still rewards exploration in a roundabout way. locking them behind more bosses seems like, as you say, linear progress, in a game that tries to incorporate as many nonlinear elements as it can within its admittedly linear framework
@davionwilliams878
8 ай бұрын
Why not just make 7 easier to procure earlier and just place 8 and 9 in areas that aren’t available till late game?
@bossstillen4390
6 ай бұрын
@@redminusnah mate that still doesn’t make sense. Imagine beating the game only to get +7 in the end. You essentially beat the game with +6 so there’s no point upgrading the weapon to +8-10anymore.
@redminus
6 ай бұрын
@@bossstillen4390 yeah it doesn't make sense because that isn't how it works. You find the +8, 9, and 10 stones before you can use them, yes, but you ARE able to use them long before the end of the game. Finding them rewards off-path exploration, which you can choose to do at any time, without allowing you to get OP early.
@Vasotha
11 ай бұрын
I mean, technically you don’t have to fight any bosses to get a level 10 somber weapon, but you gotta parkour your balls off.
@v.thirteen5504
10 ай бұрын
There’s an invisible wall in front of the somber 7, so you can’t do that anymore. And all the somber 10’s require you to fight a boss, that’s if you’re not doing any glitches
@hollowedmajora475
10 ай бұрын
It is possible to parkour around the godskin noble but It is incredibly difficult
@Illuyankas
9 ай бұрын
You can jump onto a tree by the locked tower after Carian Manor and get to the Ainsel River Main teleport, and Loretta is a lot easier than Godskin Noble
@tacoman736
9 ай бұрын
Or just do varres quest
@TempestNouzen
9 ай бұрын
@@tacoman736you need to have seen the Two Fingers for Varre to let you into the cult, so you have to have beaten at least 1 Great Rune boss
@MexicanGeronimo
Ай бұрын
Right because going around and collecting stones just to face Margit with a special level 10 unga bunga is the most balanced experience.
@cactato64
Ай бұрын
Nobody cares about balance dude
@Knivess0
Ай бұрын
@@cactato64I do.
@tarabaskin
Ай бұрын
"I went through all of this effort to make the game easy and now the game is too easy..! Wtf miachael zachy?" ??
@Niblss
Ай бұрын
@@Knivess0 Then you must hate elden ring because it's a thoroughly unbalanced mess
@slendydie1267
Ай бұрын
like a +6 is any different.
@zombamin2525
2 ай бұрын
I noticed that too, I also noticed that in the mountaintop of giants those weird hand things just drop them so once u get there you can farm them.
@thezestfall1st107
Ай бұрын
I mean once you get there you can pretty easily just find the somber and smithing stone miners bell bearings
@s8868280
Ай бұрын
@@thezestfall1st107the somber bell for somber smithing stone 7 is locked on azul, you have to p much beat the game to buy them anyways
@stogesmcgee3251
11 ай бұрын
The real question is why do they make them so easy to get in the first place
@matthewanderson1916
11 ай бұрын
Realistically any new player going through the areas in order is unlikely to find them all early enough for it to be OP, so it's probably for speedrunners and challenge runs to be quicker to increase replayability and whatnot
@goddamndoor
10 ай бұрын
@@matthewanderson1916honestly elden ring was my first game and I was running around with a +6 bloodhound's fang really early. It doesn't make any sense how it's a million times easier to upgrade weapons with somber stones than normal stones, it should be the other way around
@matthewanderson1916
10 ай бұрын
@@goddamndoor Not a bad idea honestly
@StopLookingAtMyAcc
10 ай бұрын
Because when you first play the game unless you use guides you aren’t really covering all ground on the Map so you won’t find them. Any ply through after is a +25 before Margit free for all
@llab3903
10 ай бұрын
@@goddamndoorlike first video game ever?
@NotSomeOrdinaryGuy
11 ай бұрын
Its meant to be a bottleneck point for your weapons
@LauncherSpiderMk7
8 ай бұрын
This is the obvious answer. They don't want new players to have a +9 weapon before they even leave Liurnia.
@someone-ji2zb
8 ай бұрын
@@LauncherSpiderMk7 In a blind playthrough, upgrading weapons feels fine. Only when people look crap up and spearhead all the upgrades do they find it 'weird'.
@sunrelease
4 ай бұрын
yeah the fact that this is so baffling to so many of the people in this comment section is really telling of their priorities and the type of "gamerz" they are. it's absolutely wild to me how many people cannot handle the concept that fromsoft simply makes the games that they want to make, and will cry about it being "bad design" or "bad balancing" or "bullsh*t difficulty or whatever. It's so low IQ. When you play a FS game, you play it on FS' terms and conditions... or you don't play it. That's what "git gud" ultimately means -- it means "play the game or don't, but don't run to the message boards and b*tch about it because you got ur fee fees hurt by a video game"
@mrwizard5012
3 ай бұрын
@@sunrelease Its wild to you because the rest of us arent fash for an incompetent videogame company. lmao _"Hurt me harder daddy miyazaki, let me suck your $120 preorder..."_
@mrwizard5012
3 ай бұрын
@@someone-ji2zb In a blind playthrough you could easily find these special +8/+9 stones before finding the ability to buy +1/+2 normal stones. Upgrade materials are wonky in this game.
@Lord_Rikard
6 ай бұрын
* laughs in somber bell bearing *
@izzywn5802
2 ай бұрын
You I don't like the upgrade system in souls games so I just spawned in all the smithing stone bell bearings
@ZoranBlackRose
2 ай бұрын
the bell bearing that gets you the somber 7 is also in mountaintops lol
@Lord_Rikard
2 ай бұрын
@@ZoranBlackRose exactly no point in wasting time to get 1 stone
@ZoranBlackRose
2 ай бұрын
@@Lord_Rikard i wouldnt say its a waste of time? They are all bosses you have to do anyway unless you're rushing the end of the game just depends on how early you want the weapon to be +7. Only time it would be a waste is in new game when you start with all bell bearings. 1 boss to get a stone for a weapon you plan on using for a run vs a minimum of 6 bosses to get to mountain top
@ZoranBlackRose
2 ай бұрын
@@Lord_Rikard actually going threw volcano manor you might only need to do 2 bosses to get to capital witch would be 4 for mountaintop ive never tried reaching the capital by rushing Rykard and taking the warp there. but if ya go that route you get the somber 7 anyway lol
@void_eater
Ай бұрын
quick reminder that there is three somber 7sbefore and in nokstella, which depending on if you took rannis portal is rather early
@miltonmunoz9146
Ай бұрын
i was wondering what he was talking about lol. i had a somber +9 weapon trying to complete rannis quest before i got to the capital.
@checkmatedot8126
Ай бұрын
Stop the lies please
@ashtheflyingjew9520
26 күн бұрын
@@checkmatedot8126git gud loser
@untrustingstatue
10 күн бұрын
@@checkmatedot8126no it’s true. There’s somber 7’s in nokron and nox Stella when I got guided by a friend to access mohgs palace early with Varre’s quest and ranni’s storyline.
@Simply_resharkable
9 күн бұрын
Ranni's portal still needs you to kill Radahn
@tylercafe1260
2 ай бұрын
It's more diegetic way to pace the player with their upgrades. If they prog the main story they will barely get enough upgrade mats to stay on par but with a little exploration you will always come back with an abundance of resources and upgrade mats which will help in the end game.
@talongreenlee7704
7 ай бұрын
You can actually also get a +7 somber stone from the Astel hanging from the ceiling after you take the portal in Renna’s Tower. You need to beat Radahn and the Mimic Tear to get far enough in Ranni’s quest line to get it.
@nevergonnagiveyouup5713
6 ай бұрын
The point was to get +7 and +9 somber stones without defeating a boss bruh
@talongreenlee7704
6 ай бұрын
@@nevergonnagiveyouup5713yeah, but it’s earlier than the ones mentioned, so the ones mentioned aren’t the earliest ones you can find.
@micahwalker1367
2 ай бұрын
I thought I was the only person who knew this... getting a lil pissed off cause I always see these crying shorts! I must play too much🤔😒
@weaponizedautism3269
2 ай бұрын
But that ain't a boss@@nevergonnagiveyouup5713
@Zarek-fl5io
2 ай бұрын
@@talongreenlee7704you can get to volcano manor way faster, then doing ranni quest.
@Dan713
11 ай бұрын
The real question is why is it so much easier to get them than normal smithing stones when somber weapons are much better?
@MinervaNeuhart
10 ай бұрын
Honestly Normal smithing stone weapons are almost always better than somber weapons when it comes to strength, dex, quality, or arcane builds. The flexibility that Ashes of War provide is so insane for PvP. Two of the same weapon with different Ashes. Catches people off guard so easily.
@Melvinious
9 ай бұрын
@@MinervaNeuhartthe ability to change ashes of war on a weapon is just innately very powerful. Somber weapons tend to scale in damage higher at max level than normal ones, but not by much. What pisses me off, is the weapons that you can't change the ash of war on, but they still require regular smithing stones, like the serpentbone blade. Already not a great weapon, but made worse by the fact it takes forever to upgrade and you can't even apply new ashes of war or affinities to it.
@grimkxdo
9 ай бұрын
@@MinervaNeuhartfor pvp yeah for nuking a boss not so much
@Mr.Sax.
9 ай бұрын
@@MinervaNeuhart For PvE that's not the case. For elemental damage the best weapons are all somber and it's because of their unique AOW.
@miguelnascimento2847
9 ай бұрын
but they aren't much better. You have cases like the blasphemous blade that is the most powerfull weapon for general pve use but requires faith investment. Some somber int weapons are great too but not much above the normals for pve, as for str and dex somber weapons are not better than normal. When talking about pvp somber weapons mean nothing more than just another tool in your arsenal, with some being good and many being meh. Not all somber weapons are good at all and those that are will not necessarily be better than a normal weapon option wich has the added benefit of changing AoW
@lynackhilou4865
8 ай бұрын
Same thing in dark souls 1 ( and even 2 i think ) , you can get a titanite slab or chunk before even large shards . I think the way from soft approaches upgrades is that they only guarantee a certain material for the area appropriate for it but you can still find higher upgrade materials in more hidden places even if you will have to wait a while to use them
@anihilator7066
6 ай бұрын
If we speak about upgrade materials in Dark Souls 1 then it might not have any sense at first cuz u can rush to the great hollow and get a whole set of all types of upgrade materials without killing a single boss(exept for Asylium Demon of course) but it is ballanced by Embers so the only type of weapons you can max out without killing a single boss are only those upgraded with twinking titanites or dragon scales but those in the other hand are usually expensive in souls and not as easy to get too(you have to be lucky if you want to get Black Knight weapons for example)
@visitorccb968
2 ай бұрын
I think it adds an aspect of progress as well when you pick up a really high level upgrade stone early on by just randomly exploring it gives you an upgrade goal path
@Dario650epa
3 ай бұрын
Caelid is a late game area it is recommended to go to caelid after caria manor (if you run into Ranni after the manor she will tell you there is a secret hidden under caelid, and on the tower to her right or left , the tower to the left can mess up her questline so do some research but I believe she spawns a teleporter that takes u to caelid) anyways it is recommended to explore caelid when you are level 70-90
@aipomsmaster6245
9 ай бұрын
That’s how I felt with the smithing stones 8. Like I had 5 ancient dragon stones before I got enough 8 stones to upgrade my weapons.
@rushbiskit
10 ай бұрын
"you have to defeat godskin noble" speedrunners: look what they need to mimic a fraction of our power
@itzCBD
10 ай бұрын
This video was taking into account no skips and/or glitches. Yes, we all know how to do Noble skip, but it was not the point of the inquiry
@day7163
8 ай бұрын
@@itzCBDI think they were joking. Not like harping on you for leaving it out or anything like that.
@criticaltipper7699
8 ай бұрын
Dude is so mad and for what@@itzCBD
@RequiemL34
7 ай бұрын
@@criticaltipper7699he's not mad, he's answering, even if this wasn't serious.
@Dante-420
5 ай бұрын
@@itzCBDweird, I didn't hear that mentioned in the video
@InvaderCom
8 ай бұрын
the real question is why does it cost 129,600 runes to buy all the stones from the twin maiden to get a regular weapon to +24, when to get a somber to +9 only costs 97,000. Why are regular weapons 30% more expensive to upgrade?
@camgoodkicks
8 ай бұрын
Because of the sheer amount of customization and potential that regular weapons have. FromSoft has pretty much always prioritized the “normal” weapon over the special ones since you’re low-key creating your OWN legendary arm out of a common one
@bicoastalgrub2914
8 ай бұрын
14 more upgrade levels and you can swap the ashes and affinity’s
@daust1k
3 ай бұрын
You can get triple that amount in 1 minute
@RCRtrack
2 ай бұрын
Because they’re poor
@thegoldenorder1240
2 ай бұрын
Because a lvl 25 greatsword with bleed destroys every somber weapon.
@Mawal28
2 ай бұрын
Malformed Star (the Astel like bugs hanging from the ceiling) drops +7 somber stones and the Falling Star Beast boss in Gael Tunnel does as well
@steemedpasta835
5 ай бұрын
what's really funny is you can get sleep pots giga early and basically script the entire gosskin noble fight in order to get the +7 early too
@josepharmstrong6502
2 ай бұрын
and to do that you have to beat 2 shardbearers, any bosses needed to get to those like Margitt or red wolf, Morgott and fire giant.
@steemedpasta835
2 ай бұрын
@@josepharmstrong6502 you don't have to beat any shard bearers to get a +9 somber weapon, only a single godskin noble in volcano manor, which you can sleep pot. if you do beat godrick on your way though, you can also do varre's quest and get a +10 somber weapon before you do anything major in the game
@mushroomduck1345
2 ай бұрын
@@josepharmstrong6502that’s the godskin duo. He’s talking about Godskin Noble, in Volcano manor. You don’t need to beat any bosses to get to volcano manor. All you need to do is take the lift and take Ryas hand.
@josepharmstrong6502
2 ай бұрын
@@mushroomduck1345 ah, i must have misread it
@mmaximosiles6467
9 ай бұрын
Just speed through ranni’s quest to get to deep root depths for the 7 down there
@demityrant1784
8 ай бұрын
Requires Radahn at least amongst other things.
@kadenk9298
7 ай бұрын
Is there a way to get to nokron before beating radahn?
@notaaronpitts4439
7 ай бұрын
no but radahn is easy post nerf@@kadenk9298
@SGEnjoyer
5 ай бұрын
@kadenk9298 unless there's some absolutely bonkers sequence skip, no. the end of the Radahn fight triggers a cutscene that opens up the hole in Limgrave that leads to Nokron. no way around it, as far as we currently know.
@Smiththebat
8 ай бұрын
Unless the volcano manor bridge jump is fully patched you don’t need to beat marshmallow man first
@ipsnip5828
8 ай бұрын
There’s a different skip but it’s really hard to
@Smiththebat
8 ай бұрын
The bridge jump even after their attempt to patch it was still pretty easy…
@Stuwi
3 ай бұрын
@@Smiththebat nah its near impossible now, you can only do it with perfectly timed physic flask explosion, it takes way less time to kill the godskin
@hellxapo5740
11 ай бұрын
You can get the +7 stone if you jump from the chain folding mechanism on the Volcano Manor bridge, you just need the exploding tear for your flask and good positioning. I got it in 3-4 tries. Of course, that only gives you stones for 1 weapon.
@Eternal93
11 ай бұрын
Nah that was patched over a year ago my friend.
@frostyelwood9898
11 ай бұрын
@@Eternal93it can still happen its just really fucking hard to do it
@Eternal93
11 ай бұрын
@@frostyelwood9898 they patched the ledge so It cannot be stood on from any angle/spot. I’d need a link to believe this lol.
@frostyelwood9898
11 ай бұрын
@@Eternal93 i dont know if the comment sent but Ymfah has a video on it and he was able to do it after patching
@Eternal93
11 ай бұрын
@@frostyelwood9898 okay I’ll check it out
@glares453
2 ай бұрын
It also makes it exciting to see the +7 as you might have the other sombers and are just dying to see that 7. It makes what would just be another stone actually exciting to see and a balance gate.
@Niblss
Ай бұрын
lmao you people are deranged
@RelativelyBest
4 ай бұрын
There's also a somber 7 in Ainsel River Main (guaranteed drop from the Malformed Star) and another three in Nokstella. Getting them requires you to progress Ranni's quest, specifically defeating Radahn, clearing Nokron and giving Ranni the Fingerslayer Blade. Also, acquiring a Somber Dragon Smithing Stone just requires you to clear Varre's quest (which you want to do anyway because rune farming) and managing to get past the Sanguine Nobles in Mohg's palace. Theoretically, this can be done very early, after beating Godrick and making your way into Liurnia. (Though you'll need to go to Altus and defeat an NPC if you play offline.) I usually don't go for it until after I have the other nine, though, since there's no point it getting it before then.
@laserduck4238
9 ай бұрын
Even the somber +10 stone is easier to get than the somber +7. Just defeat a shardbearer (e.g. Godrick), Complete Varre's quest (invade 3 people and dye cloth at the church near the frenzy flame tower in liurnia), and run past all the enemies in Mohg's palace until you get to it.
@TaxEvader0510
8 ай бұрын
It’s to prevent leaving liurnia with a max weapon if you follow varres( white mask guy that said your maidenless) quest and go to Mohgs palace
@gigachad2437
7 ай бұрын
"Ooo, looks like a powerful item" -new player "Usless" -veteran
@jarlsterra
Ай бұрын
It is worth noting that, although you can just run in and grab the stone, Dragonbarrow is scaled similarly to the Consecrated Snowfield. You're not really supposed to be messing around in there that early in the game, and unless you know already that there's big loot or you're specifically hoping that there is, then you probably aren't going to be.
@kodyyoung867
11 ай бұрын
To force you to go bell hunting. Simply to have them at an endless supply at the roundtable hold
@Zebo12345678
6 ай бұрын
What made you say that? They hid the somber 7 in volcano manor so that you have to find bell berrings? But the bell berring for somber 7s is in Faram Azula. That has literally nothing to do with why they hid somber 7 behind a boss. The real question, in actuality, is why on earth they made somber 8 and 9 so easy to get. It's just ridiculous.
@itswhatDEXTER
4 ай бұрын
@@Zebo12345678because the somber 7 is meant to be a hurdle. It’s that simple. You get the 8 and 9 early while your somber weapons are level 6 and you think “if I find a 7 then I can upgrade my weapon 3 times at once” but to get the 7 you have to complete the challenge for it. They didn’t want people pulling up on early/mid game bosses with endgame weapons for their first play through without actually earning that endgame level weapon.
@musicarain4702
4 ай бұрын
@@Zebo12345678 7 and 10 are generally the levels that scaling grade letter improves right?
@Sumdude-mm1jd
9 ай бұрын
If you do ranni questline and kill the mini Astel that hangs from the celling you get a somber 7
@kyleguajardo
9 ай бұрын
For that, you still need to kill Radahn or the Gargoyles though, don't you?
@51procenjoyer20
8 ай бұрын
@@kyleguajardowasn’t this mini Astel in a cave with ants accessible from Liurnia without any boss? I may be wrong thou
@kyleguajardo
8 ай бұрын
@@51procenjoyer20 I don't remember if it is accessible through the lift that leads down. I will go check it later and then edit when I do. But even still, going into ainsel river is not much better than going through Godskin Noble and gives you access to fewer things, so a speedrunner would not really put that in their route.
@StanleyG23
2 ай бұрын
@@kyleguajardoThere is a skip to get inside the Tower with the Waygate without doing Ranni's Questline if you were curious.
@StanleyG23
2 ай бұрын
@@51procenjoyer20That one specifically doesn't drop a Somber 7.
@DraconicStew
9 ай бұрын
if you do Varre’s quest line, gaining access to mohgwyn palace, and then get the somber 7 at volcano manor, you can get fully maxed out after beating only 3 bosses. Margit, Godrick, and Godskin Noble. Thats just insane to me
@laserduck4238
9 ай бұрын
you can trigger varre's quest by beating radahn, so you only need to beat 2 bosses
@jeffthegamerboy3476
21 күн бұрын
@laserduck4238 you can find 7 in underground cities, so only 1 boss is really required unless you count mimic 💀
@dash8425
Ай бұрын
Elden Ring is so weird, it won't let you get the "Tickle Attack: God's Ball Sack Tortion" Ash of War until you get to the God's Balls Tickler Castle...
@xuanathan
Ай бұрын
Its because Somber 7 is the game's "Break point". It gives you higher rank stones early to both show you how strong you can get early on (In Dark Souls Twinkling weapons only went up to 5) and also means you can go from 6 to 9 as soon as you either kill Morgott or traverse through Volcano Manor
@SnorticusClavicus
3 ай бұрын
The Windwaker music taked me back. 🥹
@Syridian
8 ай бұрын
Obviously gatekeeping. Doesn't matter if you can get a +X stone if you can't get the +X-1 stone to make it useful.
@uninconnu5844
9 ай бұрын
''without fighting any bosses'' only if you don't count the Grafted Scion
@ETBrooD
4 ай бұрын
Somber weapons are easy to upgrade in the early and middle game, so it makes sense that a few important somber stones are locked behind tough bosses. Also, it feels better if you can suddenly upgrade your weapon several times and become incredibly powerful for a while before the difficulty returns to normal.
@Syntherus
Ай бұрын
Probably because of the Lyndell difficulty spike. It serves as a build check. They want that spike to be felt and limiting you to +6 weapons is how they chose to balance it. Once you pass the check by beating Lyndell, you're allowed to progress. And yes there's the one in Volcano Manor but that has its own checks such as making it through Mt. Gelmir to the Manor and through the manor to the somber stone.
@yaboieb
11 ай бұрын
You can get a somber 7 if you go to renna’s rise and do a skip up to the portal
@youssef-qs2hr
11 ай бұрын
You have to kill Loretta to get rennas rise
@omega8826
11 ай бұрын
Getting to Renna's Rise would require you to get through Loretta I believe
@yaboieb
11 ай бұрын
oh true
@InvaderTroy
11 ай бұрын
you need to do ranni’s quest to get in renna’s rise without a glitch. to do ranni’s quest you need to get the fingerslayer blade from nokron, which you can only access by defeating radahn.
@ididthisforreddit2428
11 ай бұрын
bet the dlc is gonna add a way to get a somber 7 without killing any bosses
@ididthisforreddit2428
11 ай бұрын
calling it rn
@theogbarto1901
10 ай бұрын
@@ididthisforreddit2428dlc will probably be locked behind a boss so I doubt it
@ilyassayga7255
10 ай бұрын
@@theogbarto1901yeah most likely Mohg lord of blood even in the trailer of the game you dont see mohg much probably cause of the content with mohg is bond with dlc
@Justennj
6 ай бұрын
There’s a somber 7 at the mohgwyn dynasty. Didn’t even need to fight for it
@Pharomid
5 ай бұрын
@@ilyassayga7255 damn u called it
@FullAdDariusBR
2 ай бұрын
I can make a +10 unique weapon before reaching Altus Plateau, just do Ranni's quest, the malformed star in the Ainsel river (after teleporting through Renna's tower) drops a +7 somber smithing stone, then just do the Varre's questline and on top of that congregation before Mohg's boss fight, there's a Dragon somber smithing stone, making it a +10 Unique weapon before the middle of the game, then you choose which weapon you wanna go for, Bloodhound's Fang, Darkmoon GS, Commander's Standard, Blasphemous Blade (after killing Rykard) and so many more.
@enigma99620
Ай бұрын
Somber 10 can be found if you complete Varre’s quest line early! You ca run through the mausoleum and right after the grace their is a chest in front of a bunch of red albinaurics with a somber 10 in it!
@Slick9562
Ай бұрын
Dude it took me what felt like years to find a *somber smithing stone 6* and it was the only one I needed to fully max out my weapon. I was so happy when I finally found one.😊
@seedmole
Ай бұрын
They must have something with the number 7, because the same is true with regular smithing stones. My highest rated message in the DLC was from putting something like "huge opportunity ahead, but beware of regret" at a smithing 7 pickup in Abyssal Woods.
@ericwithakay3559
2 ай бұрын
i _think_ it's so, when you do get that somber 7, you're more likely to automatically be able to upgrade your weapon from +6 to +9, meaning you're more likely to get one big jump in damage rather than 3 smaller ones
@bbatman1164
Ай бұрын
As someone who has done this before, there was a way to climb up the bridge to get the seventh stone but I think they patched it
@julianthingvoll
2 ай бұрын
If you’re willing to do glitches there’s a quit out glitch that allows you to get to farum from the imbued key island, where you can run past a couple enemies to get the somber 7 and 8 bell bearing.
@svnifx3757
5 ай бұрын
From what I know, some of the hand crawler enemies drop somber smithing stone 7. I've recently gotten to the Mountaintops of the Giants and the smaller hand crawlers often dropped that item. I'm not sure if that's the case anywhere else in the game, but always found it weird that SSSs were affiliated with these enemies.
@snowmcsnow4732
2 ай бұрын
There is a skip jump that allows you to get the +7 at Volcano Mannor without fighting the boss, and you get a +10 from the chest at midpoint Mough Palace if you do Varres quest, no boss fight required
@franciscohidalgo6042
4 ай бұрын
You can get +9 Somber weapons before fighting any bosses. Kill Albrecht or whatever in the lower part of Roundtable to get the Taunter's Tongue. Go to Weeping Peninsula and climb the tower east of the Isolated Merchant's shack in the southernmost point and take the Teleport Trap to Leyndell's giant tower. Use a Furlcalling Remedy and the Taunter's Tongue to get invaded and pray that the invader spawns in the False Roundtable and takes the elevator up. When they do, run onto the elevator and ride it down so you now have it permanently activated. Now you can ride it down, grab a somber 6 and go into the sewers and pick up the 7 before the Shrimps snipe you. You can activate all the sites of grace in Leyndell, but don't rest at any site of grace in Leyndell so The One Eyed Goober doesn't dump you. If you want to level up while in Leyndell you can quick travel to the Tower and use that one safely.
@cryokinesismc
2 ай бұрын
you can actually get +10 somber weapon before fighting a boss, 1-6 and 8-9 and very easy and self explanatory, then you can do varres questline for access to mohgwyn palace, once there go up some stairs and grab the ancient somber stone from the chest, now 7 is a little bit tougher, you gotta do the leyndell capital elevator glitch with the exploding tear to go into the capital sewers
@horizonsrosetoy
Ай бұрын
u can get somber smithing stone 7 early game, all u need is glintstone key, then go out to the courtyard, take the lift down, get grabbed by the big arm thingies, then you’ll spawn in volcano manor, then just run and grab it, you can get plus nine, then plus ten after you beat godrick, all you have to do is unlock his quest line, thrn you can teleport
@danmoar94
Ай бұрын
That's why you get the bell bestings asap. Then upgrading just becomes a matter of farming enough runes to buy the stones and pay for the upgrades.
@Morgan_BC
Ай бұрын
My biggest hope for the dlc was that it was accessible early such that there was a different path to somber 7. After multiple runs of having at least two somber weapons, it feels so limiting having to do the same dungeons in the same way as quickly and painlessly as possible just to get the stupid 7 stone. I understand the need for a progression gate mechanically so you can’t just rush a +10. But the entire first half of the run is basically determined now by which of the 3 +7s you want to rush, and I wish there were more choices
@andrewtollerton7983
29 күн бұрын
there are more than 3 somber stone 7's even without the dlc included. You are also getting 8 and 9's because you're walking into areas you can access early like you easily could to access a few of the 7 stones.
@tomsmith2595
3 күн бұрын
The wind waker music I noticed it right away lmao good times
@Belac02
Ай бұрын
Idk who's ball bering you need, but once you find them and hand them to the twins at the roundtable. You can get Ancient Somber Smithing Stones 1,2,5,6,7,8,9. You can buy only a few 3s and 4s from Iji, and you have to find the Ancient Somber Smithing Stones in the wild.
@alexithymia6288
2 ай бұрын
It is weird. It's also weird how early you can get the Bloodhound Blade, upgrade it to +5, use that with Bloodflame Blade and sleep pots to go to Volcano Manor and defeat Godskin Noble, then defeat Rykard for the Blasphemous Blade and get it to +10 within an hour or two of starting a fresh character.
@slightlycynical4308
2 ай бұрын
I figured it was an easy way to soft cap weapon levels, especially since sombers take far fewer materials to spike their stats
@Kashmnyjr
4 ай бұрын
Though you can access volcano manor early by heading to Raya Lucaria and getting killed by the Iron Maiden grab, also you can get a SAD Smithing Stone post first great rune by doing Varre’s quest and heading to Mohgwyn early
@WUBMEWHITE
Ай бұрын
You can get into capital through fia questline and +7 volcano manor can be gotten by doing a jump skip near bridge. Ancient can be gotten in mohg palace through varr quest
@jake_from_state7143
21 сағат бұрын
I’m pretty sure I remember grabbing a couple of them in nokstella, which I’m pretty sure you can get as soon as you get access to liurna.
@Mynameisntnova
Ай бұрын
Theres one halfway into rannis questline if you kill that thing with pincers dangling from the ceiling
@krisp2781
Ай бұрын
It’s specifically to quell being op without fighting anything, at least in terms of your weapon damage. Other buffs and such can boost it but they wanted to have at least some sort of roadblock for ppl
@gavinmacgregor1748
2 ай бұрын
Don't need to fight a single boss actually. Can skip Stormveil by going around the cliffs next to the broken bridge next to it, get Rya her necklace, go through the cave next to the grand lift, and find her at Lux Ruins in the start of Altus. She'll transport you to Volcano Manor, and then just go down to the prison town and run for your life
@gagefunk8058
2 ай бұрын
You can also get a somber 7 from the mini astel right after the grace where you find ranni in puppet form. Still requires you to beat radahn but it feels like the most accessible one to me.
@thewatchman8174
2 ай бұрын
depending on how you play your cards, you can get to either of these w/o bosses, both by doing questlines. for the somber 7 you can do Rya's questline and use the decdus medallion to get to altus where you can travel with her to the location of the somber 7, and if you do varre's questline you can get the ancient dragon early with his quest reward
@maximus2463
3 ай бұрын
You can actually reach moghynn palace very early with varre's quest , so you can actually access the ancient dragon smithing stone there even before defeting godrick and margit
@cjtherandomizer7638
2 ай бұрын
If you do Rannis quest, the second entrance to Ainsl river has a somber 7 near the start of the area. Granted, you still have to fight Rahdan to get to that point and go through Nokstella. The ancient one can be gotten really early if you do the quest to get to Mohgwyn palace early.
@Swirlyiswatching
2 ай бұрын
whenever i needed a somber 7 smithing stone i pulled out yt so fast to find out where they are😭
@dhopjr57
Ай бұрын
If it wasn't for you tube ER would probably be a bust.
@jacemoran1190
Ай бұрын
I think it’s a choke point on progression. Being open world you can go anywhere, and (I felt) equipment sometimes mattered more then levels, so by putting difficult enemies in your path but no upgrades, or upgrades you can use, forces you to leave. However, once you do find a 7, chances are you can go straight to level 9 with your weapon then it also makes an artificial growth in power to show players how far they’ve come.
@JupiterBoi3456
Ай бұрын
Fromsoftware must have seen this because it feels like the only somber stones in the dlc is somber 7s
@synthraofficial5366
2 ай бұрын
You can actually get the somber 10 after being your first shard bearer. Just talk to white mask Varre, do his quest line real quick, use the item he gives you to go to Mohgwin palace, Go to the top area just before the boss, use an item to distract the enemies there, and just take it. You don't have to fight anyone in the whole area. Just run. And if you jump off the area just behind where the chest is where you get the stone you can even get a golden seed!
@bl4cksp1d3r
2 ай бұрын
The answer is natural progression. A lot of people will be close to a +7, roughly around the time they normally find the +8 and +9. Unless you specifically hunt those down, it will be rare that a player will get them so very early
@ReveredWizardBob
2 ай бұрын
You can get the +10 fairly early and easily once you get to Liurnia you have to find Varre at the Rose church. Do his quest to get the invitation to Moghwyn palace, use it and then run all the way up and claim the Somber 10 stone for free (more or less).
@omega-death
2 ай бұрын
Yea, you literally answered your own question there, boss. 😂
@silcrow4045
Ай бұрын
uhl ruins in the underground also have a young astel you can kill, its pre-altus iirc, or at least doesnt require a boss
@BlueKyuubi64
5 ай бұрын
The volcano manor somber 7 can be gotten by parkour so can skip a boss. Alternatively, if you have a heavy stagger weapon with cragblade, 2 charged heavy attacks can stagger/ stance break godskin fatty and you can riposte and repeat. I did it before to get serpent hunter spear early
@harrisonfrazer7670
2 ай бұрын
You can also get a somber 7 in Deeproot Depths, which I tend to think of as a relatively earlier area.
@UserName-jz8iv
2 ай бұрын
The awnser is simple- they initially laid out the stones in a pattern and hat they thought would work good with character progression, sometime before release, they did play testing and decided to move around the placement of some of the stones to limit how fast a player can max out their weapon. It only took them moving around a couple to do this, so why bother moving all of them
@nero9079
5 ай бұрын
There is 1 near the grace when you fight fire giant , it's below a bird that dies after a giant hand drops on it, can't describe it well
@Ben-iz6lk
2 ай бұрын
It takes some effort but you can actually get that level 7 stone by jumping up to it, meaning you only have to kill a boss for the final upgrade.
@xXScissorHandsXx
Ай бұрын
Somber 7's are farmable on the little magic hands on the way to the Giants Forge, just a little north of Whiteridge site of grace.
@hernanramosperez3402
5 ай бұрын
Currently if you do the quest from ranni when you have to go through the river there will be an astel that threw rocks at you, when you kill him he will still give you stone +7, I still haven't cleared even the capital and I already have the radarn swords at +9 just because I didn't go to the Mogh Mausoleum and I didn't do the quest
@zerothree9126
22 күн бұрын
You don't need to beat a boss for the somber 7 stone, you can get access to volcano manor prior to the red wolf of radagon, through an iron maiden at the bottom of the water wheel area.
@TheRisky9
5 ай бұрын
So I wasn't going crazy when suddenly I couldn't find Somber Smithing stone 7... But on a serious note, it's pretty smart design. You can't upgrade your weapon too quickly, but once you do find a Somber Smithing Stone 7, you get a lot of upgrades to assist in areas where there's huge difficulty spikes.
@gavrilabardyantaputralingg6463
2 ай бұрын
There's another somber 7 that drop from malformed star (baby astel) on the ainsel river main but it also require you to kill Loretta and Radahn so you can progress Rannie questline.
@mordredstein9553
5 ай бұрын
You can get into leyndel at the start of the game via the divine bridge. Just have an invader/friend open the elevator for you and explore leyndel backward.
@noelic6744
2 ай бұрын
I think its to give you a goal I guess? Maybe I'm looking too deep into it. But when I have one of the last upgrade materials needed for a weapon I find myself more motivated to upgrade my weapon to that point so that I can make use of that upgrade material. Also makes gathering the rest of the upgrades feel less daunting to acquire if you found something so late stage so easily.
@dipidyl
2 ай бұрын
Somber 7 can be found ONCE from the 13 big finger monsters. That's 13 of them, and you only need one to upgrade somber weapon past it.
@SoulsDudeig
4 ай бұрын
Im fairly sure the earliest you can get a somber 7 is the one in deeproot depths, which require radahn in caelid and valiant gargoyles to do.
@phantomerror4714
2 ай бұрын
Or a ball bearing that you keep over Ng+ and you can infintely buy them with runes. Cuz theres ball bearings for each smithing stone set and they carry over.
@McDrebbins
2 ай бұрын
deeproot depth has 7, Ainsel River does both behind radahn (Which can be killed with 15 faith and 12 arcane or any scarlet rot buildup item) and getting to radahn is literally just jumping off a cliff so that's pretty cool.
@hankhession7519
3 ай бұрын
Don’t need to fight boss for somber 7. Get killed by the machine at the bottom of the academy, make sure it grabs you, then when you die you respawn under volcano manor
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