Triskadekaphile being #14 is hurtful to say the least.
@jochenkirn9468
Жыл бұрын
Seth is trolling intentionally, I am sure.
@SpecialKail
Жыл бұрын
Flavor fail
@kylarcheng1346
Жыл бұрын
ASDKFJDSAKLFSADFDAFJALSKDFJADSLFKJ the pain
@MTGGoldfish
Жыл бұрын
So close to the flavor win ;)
@adammorin2955
Жыл бұрын
Helix pinnacle being so low hurts
@SpecialKail
Жыл бұрын
I like how Seth shows the Crim biovisionary punt and ignores the time he did the same thing.
@dingdongs5208
Жыл бұрын
Seth is all about vanity and putting out a false image of himself, so something that would hurt that image will not go on
@SpecialKail
Жыл бұрын
@@dingdongs5208 that's rude and untrue.
@dingdongs5208
Жыл бұрын
@@SpecialKail it very well could be but I work in the a public relationships and image building role and trust me Seth feels like a guy putting on a stage performance, his fake voice, overly edited content and gameplay videos where him losing is just him getting 'unlucky' are all signs of this
@SongbirdOfficial
Жыл бұрын
@@dingdongs5208 No shit he's "putting on a stage performance", he's literally an entertainer making videos for a living.
@bigdaddy9807
Жыл бұрын
@@SpecialKail Yeah I've met Seth irl and he's an entire different person. Guy above is right
@RhysticOne
Жыл бұрын
We need a ranking list for "You lose the game" cards next! :D
@kukuc96
Жыл бұрын
Summoner's Pact is probably No1.
@Xenozfan2
6 ай бұрын
Wish granted!
@TransformersBoss
Жыл бұрын
I like how Seth can’t pronounce Aria correctly, but he can say Triskaidekaphile perfectly
@honestabe411
Жыл бұрын
“Felidar” too
@blueishgreen76
Жыл бұрын
What do you mean? He was pronouncing Mayael's Area perfectly. 🙃
@aaaa-ni9hc
Жыл бұрын
OP: Liliana's Contract is normally bad because if you have 4 different demons, you're probably already going to win. OP immediately afterward: Epic Struggle is good because it can win you the game if you untap with infinite squirrels.
@simic0racle157
Жыл бұрын
3 treasure hunts, thassa's oracle, 4 mystic sanctuarys, a playset of lonely sandbars, 48 islands, and arena's broken randomizer. Those where the days.
@ExplainyourselfEli
2 ай бұрын
now you gotta try. minion of the mighty deck with mv=1 draw cards in red and green, like line up the shot, and win turn 2. with a doublestriked 22 dmg total on their face. love minion of the memes
@pastapocha5708
6 күн бұрын
@@ExplainyourselfEliits so fun
@esrohm6460
Жыл бұрын
the worst part about elocuters is that even in a dream scenario you need a bare minimum of 2 upkeeps 2 win as the last counter has to be put there by the ability. the very best case scenario would be casting it when your opponent cant get through have paradox haze to get 1 upkeep for the first counter then proliferate 3 times and get the 5th in your second upkeep to win in 1 turn cycle
@db8988
Жыл бұрын
You're clearly not dreaming big enough. Put all needed counters on it with Doubling Season, Vorinclex, and/or Lae'zel (plus clones). Cast it with flash just before your turn (e.g. Yeva), or have Sphinx of the Second Sun or Cyclonus to have another beginning phase later in the turn.
@archons-court
Жыл бұрын
Honestly, despite (or because of) being terrible, Hedron Alignment is tied for my favorite card in the game.
@SkyshroudProtector
Жыл бұрын
what's the other one?
@kukuc96
Жыл бұрын
It's the quintessential Johnny card and that alone makes it a lot of fun.
@cerealamog
4 ай бұрын
Win with it in commander with Claire d’loon jou sculptor
@stachu5049
20 күн бұрын
For real! It's just a really fun challenge to attempt and satisfying to pull off
@theronabell1126
Жыл бұрын
Love these kinds of videos - taking this opportunity to thank you all at the MTGGoldfish team for the great work and great videos :^)
@MTGGoldfish
Жыл бұрын
Glad you like them!
@fo-ef8qo
Жыл бұрын
really love this preview of the next 29 against the odds decks
@RonTrauma
Жыл бұрын
We need a Against The Odds for Izzet Darskteel reactor. With all the new Proliferate tricks, it’s a must.
@MTGGoldfish
Жыл бұрын
Yeah, the one time we played Darksteel Reactor we turned it into a creature and used it to beat down. We definitely need to revisit it with some updates.
@pmsn3674
Жыл бұрын
the best Against The Odds will be the one with all the alternate wincons in the same deck ironically making it harder to win
@fosterdawson7339
Жыл бұрын
@@pmsn3674 I have this as a commander deck (excluding the ones you legally can’t do in commander), it’s super fun
@BionMTG
Жыл бұрын
@@MTGGoldfish I use it, and with Luxior, Giada's Gift makes the magic happen!
@gregprice4834
Жыл бұрын
@@pmsn3674 I actually have a kruphix deck like that, for all wincons in simic, lot of fun not very good, but it sneaks a win out once in a blue moon, each wincon has few pieces of support in the deck
@gemmen98
Жыл бұрын
the cheese stands alone at #1 in our hearts
@funkydiscogod
Жыл бұрын
5:30 My idea for a Barren Glory combo deck: Use Corpse Dance (Return the top creature card of your graveyard to the battlefield. That creature gains haste until end of turn. Exile it at the beginning of the next end step.) to reanimate a Hellcarver Demon (Whenever Hellcarver Demon deals combat damage to a player, sacrifice all other permanents you control and discard your hand. Exile the top six cards of your library. You may cast any number of spells from among cards exiled this way without paying their mana costs.) Then, all I need is to find a Barren Glory in the top six, or an extra combat phase spell for an additional spin.
@TheMegaMagikarp
Жыл бұрын
I had gone Hellcarver in my mind as well, but I just thought it'd be easier to Doomsday with it on the battlefield and then attack, you have everything you need then.
@chargingbadger867
Жыл бұрын
Alternatively: Academy Rector + Kaervek's Spite. It's instant speed and only in 2 colors Bonus points if you target yourself
@toubeelo1979
Жыл бұрын
They should make a variant with "As an additional cost to cast this card, discard 50 cards. You win the game."
@englishmuffinpizzas
Жыл бұрын
That might actually be strong with combos that allow you to draw most of your deck. Maybe you’d just start with more than 60 cards to make sure you can always hit it once you combo
@HeyApples
Жыл бұрын
Would never work, there would be ways to cheese it with various alt casting mechanics like cascade.
@toubeelo1979
Жыл бұрын
@@HeyApples I guess it can be modified a little to be "If you've discarded 50 cards this turn, you win the game."
@wingdinggaster6737
Жыл бұрын
@@HeyAppleshen just make it have a really low base mana cost as well as “Cleave - Discard 50 cards.” Then have its effect be You [Cant] win the game and your opponent(s) [cant] lose the game
@wingdinggaster6737
Жыл бұрын
@@toubeelo1979that could easily be broken, as there are various cheap ways of dumping your deck to the graveyard through your hand
@Temmie_on_smash
Жыл бұрын
People not realizing they didn't win cause Sakashima the Imposter is such a lore accurate thing that Sakashima would do
@theblaqknight
Жыл бұрын
I like that I somehow forgot about the existence of Thassa's Oracle so the list was suspenseful up to the end.
@CammyBoon
Жыл бұрын
I bet a color pie break ranking would be interesting.
@MTGGoldfish
Жыл бұрын
Yeah, that's on my list of future videos.
@zenmaster8826
Жыл бұрын
So a lot of stuff from planar chaos..🤣
@flaetsbnort
Жыл бұрын
@@zenmaster8826 Funnily, there are a lot of stuff from Planar Chaos that were ahead of the curve in the pie, from haste in green to vigilance in blue
@bensteinhauser784
6 ай бұрын
Mana Tithe would easily take the number 1 spot lol
@hightensionjapanesegoblin9821
19 күн бұрын
To me, the biggest issue with Test of Endurance is the alternative. You COULD run test of endurance, or you could just run Aetherflux Reservoir. Costs the same, except it actually helps you get up to that high life total. And you dont need to wait for an upkeep, you just start blasting. Edit: About Mechanized Production, a very effective alternate option would be Replicating Ring. It's already a decent rock.
@Alexander-mw1ek
Жыл бұрын
Azor’s elocutors was actually not uncommon to see when it was in standard. While it was never “the right” card, lots of people played it as a fun of in the turbo fog maze’s end deck. I saw it at four different card shops in two cities, which is not a great sample size, but still, shockingly common.
@kilerik
Жыл бұрын
Making Triskadephile number 14 instead of 13 is a missed joke opportunity.
@AyoJayArr
3 ай бұрын
It is the joke
@jackmarino8162
Жыл бұрын
I use a lot of these cards as Red Herrings. Simic Ascendancy being a large one. They will be so preoccupied dealing with the instant win they won't see the game ending combo assembling.
@TheGreenLightningMRT
Жыл бұрын
We'll need a you lose the game ranking list now lol.
@Venthris
Жыл бұрын
For Hellkite Tyrant, Bloodvial Purveyor is a very fair way to win I have found because every time anyone cast a spell they get a blood token, Sure some people may sac in response but that will have had to leave up the mana for that.
@justincote5693
Жыл бұрын
Approach of the second sun is plenty of fun when ran with omniscience. Drawing 7 is easy when everything in your hand is free.
@prestonwilson2773
Жыл бұрын
With Liliana's contract you play Dimir with Arcane Adaptation, it's only three mana I've done it on Arena before and at FNM I actually won a game off of Simic Ascendancy paired with the three drop when a land enters proliferate. I was playing merfolk tribal and dude thought he was gonna bounce it during my upkeep when I had two untapped islands lol
@jordanhanson6611
Жыл бұрын
Helix Pinnacle should be 14 and Triskadekaphile should be 13. Change my mind.
@murdockberk8888
Жыл бұрын
I mindslavered someone who controlled a lochmere serpent while there was an urborg in play. You damn right I never got invited back to that group!
@RPGFanboy14
Жыл бұрын
I was wondering if you were going to show that game where crim tried to biovisionary win. I was not disappointed lol 😂
@thefallendeathlord7690
Жыл бұрын
For me the difficult part of triskaidescaphile is just not using all those cards. When you have 9 cards on the hand, for example, the opponent may as well concede already, because It's not going to be able to play anything else for the rest of the game
@Suspinded
Жыл бұрын
Darksteel Reactor has a cooked in accellerant in Darksteel with Dismantle. Adding counters is not conditional to the artifact being destroyed, so Dismantling your reactor can double the counters on it.
@dongatubes
Жыл бұрын
I played Battle of Wits (with birthing pod when it was able) in modern in 2 tournament and obviously I didn't do anything relevant. But I received applause when I showed the 270 cards deck. Shuffling was hell by the way. The funniest thing they played me was A chalice of the void at 5. XD
@davidlyford-tilley1598
Жыл бұрын
I have double-digit wins in Commamder from casting Kaervek's Spite, either in response to Barren Glory or with Academy Rector in play :)
@sutech
Жыл бұрын
I just noticed the giant handprint on the Barren Glory!
@roberteaves5108
Жыл бұрын
I know Angel of Destiny doesn't say "You win the game" but in two-player Magic it basically does
@michaelrico4761
Жыл бұрын
Helix pinnacle is literally an auto include in a Sasaya, Orochi Ascendant deck, it is stupid easy to reach that 100 counters, the only issue is surviving till your next upkeep!
@kellynorton
Жыл бұрын
I just blew 4 wildcards on Liliana's Contract because of this video. It took about 4 games to cross 'win with Liliana's Contract' off my bucket list.
@salmarix8342
Жыл бұрын
Opponent might have difficulties to get rid of the Barren Glory in one turn as Apocalypse also removes all the lands from the game too.
@SimonDouville1
Жыл бұрын
Putting Triskaidekaphile in 14h position is a statement i wouldn't have been willing to make, being in the same circumstances. well played, sir.
@jeffreyweaver9854
Жыл бұрын
Triskaidekaphobia is best in a speedy damage deck that only has to deal seven damage to one's opponent while doing whatever it can to prevent the same damage being done to one's self.
@dannyirvin5990
Жыл бұрын
I'm running mortal combat in my insect tribal with grist. It's probably never going to happen lol
@kazadrim8312
Жыл бұрын
Barren Glory is way easier than mentionned. In, You need to have Academy Rector on the field, Cast Kaervek's Spite on your opponent's end step, Destroy everything and discard your hand. Academy Rector death Trigger put Barren glory on the field. Profit
@STS-qi1qy
Жыл бұрын
Agreed that 'easy win the game cards are boring win the game cards'. I don't judge others for playing them, especially in competitive situations, since different people find fun in different ways but I won't personally touch them.
@briankenney9528
Жыл бұрын
Approach of the second sun is nimber 1 in satisfying spells to counter
@IVIaskerade
Жыл бұрын
I can't believe you rated Revel in Riches so highly when it is hard countered by one of the most common spells in the game, Negate.
@sambarney8244
6 ай бұрын
If my opponent had Ramses, Assassin Lord and I knew I was going to die from the attack, I would totally forfeit right before attackers are declared to deny them the victory. If I'm going down I can at least ensure you don't win on the spot!
@honestabe411
Жыл бұрын
Used to win with Mechanized Production in magic duels, good times
@283leis
Жыл бұрын
Halo fountain is easy with token spam in white decks. Even just a soldier tribal deck with Myrel leads to exponential tokens, and with Mondrak on the field you can have over 15 creatures under 3 turns once she's on the field
@СырнаНе-Бака
19 күн бұрын
1:30 Pretty fun with Jace from Cowboy set
@lukecraig4984
Жыл бұрын
I know people still seem pretty against it, but Seth would you consider doing an Alchemy deck tech sometime? There are some cool new alchemy cards from ONE like Mephidross Slime and Gyox that are pretty interesting!
@TheMCGamer2012
Жыл бұрын
Thassa's Oracle is super boring, it should never have been printed (and even if it had just make it LESS THAN and not LESS THAN or EQUAL TO so that removal actually provides some risk for having absolutely no devotion requirement for a devotion card).
@DedicatedCaffeineUser
Жыл бұрын
Wouldn’t a Spy Kit equipped to any creature work if Biovisionary only looks for cards named Biovisionary? If so, then running Masterwork of Ingenuity and Sculpting Steel alongside Spy Kit and having any 3 creatures on the board besides Biovisionary will be enough to win
@turtlekappa7141
2 ай бұрын
Thassa's Oracle proves a certain narrative in magic. Sure, Merfolk are a very powerful tribe. But the fact that so much has happened to them as a race and tribe. Not to mention the bans, hate and auto targeting. It just stands to reason why the oracle is number 1.
@smack80
Жыл бұрын
#25 Makes for a pretty good deck with Selenia, Dark Angel or Crovax (white)
@doktarr
Жыл бұрын
Yeah the Selenia deck is actually pretty easy to pilot.
@BratkoCo
Жыл бұрын
Agreed with Thassa's Oracle being too easy. Real feel bad when you have this interesting commander game going on then someone plays that and just wins. On the other hand, I put it in Gyruda as the alternate win con to milling everyone out, which seems neater because at that point everyone is milled :)
@8thy
Жыл бұрын
I have a monogreen Ghalta deck and seeing Mayael's Aria makes me wish it was monogreen, but in a Naya deck, someone could consider playing Ghalta, then before this upkeep trigger goes off you use Boon of Boseiju on Ghalta itself, making it a 24/24! Not sure if this works but possibly an interesting wincon, assuming you have the board state to play Ghalta for as cheap as possible to begin with haha
@MTGGoldfish
Жыл бұрын
That sounds sweet!
@8thy
Жыл бұрын
@@MTGGoldfish Thanks! :D I think with enough cheap and effective combat tricks an Aria win casting Ghalta cheaper also miiiight be a feasible strat haha, but unsure
@dementievatz
Жыл бұрын
That actually will work. Most of these kinds of cards don’t trigger unless you already meet the condition as the upkeep starts, but Mayael’s Aria triggers every upkeep (I checked the rulings).
@livanbard
Жыл бұрын
My favorite is by far Darksteel Reactor. Darksteel was one of those themes that if you were an edgy kid back in the day it was around you can't help get obsessed over having those dark things that cannot be destroyed. And I was such kid.
@johngalbicsek5567
Жыл бұрын
So at first I was upset Angel of Destiny wasn't on here, but then I had to go read it and I see why, though I feel it should get somewhat of an honorable mention for 1v1 as being fairly easy to pull off. Anyways, in my circle of MTG friends, we call these "Jarett" cards. Named for my nephew, whom like many children when explained the rules to a game, he was more interested in making his own and also his own card concepts. Unfortunately he was exposed to the yu gi oh show before magic, and the "FINAL" set (in yu gi oh, you collect all 5 letters and insta win much like these in mtga) and thus most the things he would come up with were either broken or way too cheap win condition cards. Thank you for making this, so I can link him to it saying someone finally ranked all the Jarett cards lol
@ethanbernier7305
Ай бұрын
Note that for simic ascendancy if you have a doubling season on board you only need to generate 5 +1/+1 counters
@Artaimus
Жыл бұрын
I built a Darksteel Reactor deck for Modern about 5 years ago. The best I could do was bring it down to turn 5/6 for a victory but it usually went off around turn 7/8. Sadly not fast enough for the meta at the time.
@FranciscoMoreno-xo6ed
Жыл бұрын
This is actually GREAT non-gameplay content that I didn’t know I wanted. Please make more of this kind of stuff!!
@datboi5995
Жыл бұрын
5:20 Worldfire is more expensive, but more failproof bc it exiles everyones hands
@doktarr
Жыл бұрын
Decree of Annihilation is the best high-mana option because it actually skips enchantments. It's the only true 2-card combo with Barren Glory. I actually cut Worldfire from by Barren Glory deck because for 9 mana I don't want to have to jump through the extra hoops of combing specifically with Oblivion Ring or Leonin Relic-Warder. My deck also has a ton of cards that let me discard cards or sac lands so I can use other board wipes to finish things. From most to least expensive the boardwipes that made the cut in that deck: Decree of Annihilation (10 cmc, 1-stop shop) Obliterate (8 cmc, uncounterable, need to discard hand another way) Ondu Inversion (8 cmc, only makes it because it's a mdfc) Farewell (6 cmc, need to clear lands and hand, but a good card anyway) Jokulhaups (6 cmc, need to discard hand) Apocalypse (5 cmc, combo with Oblivion Ring or Leonin Relic-Warder) Doomskar (3 cmc after fortell, can be cast with LED or Diamond Lion mana) Blasphemous Act (effectively 1 cmc, just there because it's good)
@tcmatias
2 ай бұрын
Happily Ever After is so cool 😁
@Pintyhet
Жыл бұрын
In Canadian Highlander Thassa’s Oracle is the same number of points in your deck as Black Lotus or Ancestral Recall and for good reason.
@hviring7441
Жыл бұрын
I’ve won quite many Standard games with (Faithbound Judge/) Sinner’s Judgement. That is, until Invoke Despair crept into the decks of all of my opponents. I do think it still deserves a (high) ranking in this list though…
@hviring7441
Жыл бұрын
Ah… it’s because you don’t “win the game”, but your opponent(/enchanted player) “loses the game”.
@mellowsisco
Жыл бұрын
Love this video format, honestly I like the longer videos. Tier lists or MTG history if I can throw on a 30+ minute video I'm happy 😊
to this day i hate that inverter got banned in pioneer when Thoracle is objectively the problem card of the two. They outright killed a combo deck entirely instread of killing the card thats just a straight up broken mistake that makes it impsossible to interact with if youre not a counterspell deck.
@Silvermankitty
Жыл бұрын
But where is the clip of the commander barren glory win. pretty sure it was Richard who pulled it off way back when.
@ty_sylicus
Жыл бұрын
As Luck Would Have It is a fun silver bordered win condition for dice decks.
@doktarr
Жыл бұрын
I have to keep reminding myself that this is not a commander list. Because something like Mortal Combat is not a tough wincon at all in Commander. And the Assassin Lord is so so much easier of a wincon than many of the ones listed much farther up the list. Conversely, Hedron Alignment and Battle of Wits are literally impossible in Commander. The Proliferate argument you make for Darksteel Reactor applies to a lesser extent to Azor's Elocutors, although the ability for people to take your counters away makes it much much worse and it deserves to be as low on the list as you place it.
@notSoAverageGuineaPigEnjoyer
Жыл бұрын
Reminded me of John Oliver’s I don’t like that Ted Cruz speech
@TheCrankyDank
Жыл бұрын
I disagree with Ramses' being the hardest. I run him with a lot of infect and evasion which makes it very easy to pull off. It is true he's really only effective in EDH though.
@brycebthehottie3400
6 ай бұрын
kaervek’s spite instead of apocalypse the spite is an instant which you can cast at your opponents end step before the start of your turn
@faceoctopus4571
Жыл бұрын
I was hoping that alternate player loses the game cards would be here. Like Door to Nothingness. Although I very much wasn't expecting you lose the game cards like demonic pact to get in (but if they did, I might have been pleasantly surprised)
@BusinessSkrub
Жыл бұрын
Liliana's contract is probably better with a bunch of the Demons from the Warhammer Commander set. There are new Demons in the Abaddon deck of varying mana values from 3 up to 7 or 8, so you could very easily have at least 2-3 by the time you even play Contract. Seems like it could be pretty solid
@Guild_Navigator3000
Жыл бұрын
Do you have a video ranking cards that make your opponents lose like Strixhaven Stadium?
@doktarr
Жыл бұрын
I just won my first game with Barren Glory last week. It's a super difficult wincon. I ended up getting it by cheating out Barren Glory with Academy Rector. A couple turns later I got down Dockside Extortionist, and used my treasure windfall to blast the board (and everyone's hands) with Decree of Annihilation. Luckily for me the blue player hadn't left up enough mana to counter. Decree is the only one-stop-shop because unlike Apocalypse it spares Enchantments (and Planeswalkers). I do have Oblivion+Apocalypse in the deck, a long with a bunch of sac outlets, land sac outlets, and discard outlets that can potentially allow me to clear my board and hand on my opponent's end step.
@dgreen7464
Жыл бұрын
I won with hedron alignment one time at an FNM and it was the best feeling in the world. Never did going 1-3 ever feel so good 😂
@martinfunk4855
18 күн бұрын
Hedron alignment is easy with the Blackspell that cost (bbb) loose half your life, search your libary for 5 cards, remove the rest from the game shuffle the 5 cards , they are now your libary... i just cant remember the name...
@dgreen7464
18 күн бұрын
@@martinfunk4855 doomsday
@123musiloko
Жыл бұрын
Kaerverk's spite for barren glory!!!!
@oafkad
Жыл бұрын
I love Elocutors. I used them in a venser deck that turned off combat by blinking dignitaries. Good times.
@notsm
Жыл бұрын
Imagine someone pulling off the thoracle with just a huge amount of blue devotion.
@t3st1221
Жыл бұрын
That was the standard version of the deck with Nyx Lotus for mana, Gadwick for draw X and some untap effect. You sometimes won with an empty library but often you just combo out and draw most of you deck, get 15+ devotion and win with an oracle. Pretty fun but not T1 at the time.
@cutebeloved
3 ай бұрын
thassas is like the one card ive ever seen be this unbanned yet so unfun to play with and against.
@Zeergruush
Жыл бұрын
Seriously though, how do you neglect to mention that in EDH there is a turn 0 win with Thoracle? It's such a brutal card.
@scapeshiftmeta
Жыл бұрын
Jhoira of the ghitu turn 3, turn 4 suspend Barren Glory and Decree of Annihilation.
@SomeGuy712x
Жыл бұрын
(14:18) Coalition Victory costs 8 mana, not 7. (17:00) LOL, nice one. Yeah, that Impostor was too sus, and got voted out. :P (22:05) Yeah, I knew number 1 would be Thassa's Oracle, and I'm sure this makes Nikachu happy.
@psymar
Жыл бұрын
Coalition Victory is eight mana not seven.
@goblinKingCR
Жыл бұрын
You should revisit some AGAINST THE ODDS classics from this list
@MTGGoldfish
Жыл бұрын
Agree!
@jeremiahschenk7333
Жыл бұрын
Really nice video 👍😃 I've always liked alternate wins conditions in magic and try to win with those cards is very fun. I hope there will be a second video with the "loses the game" cards like door to nothingness, triskaidekaphobia, vorpal sword or vraska the unseen.
@MagiDeKarp
Жыл бұрын
The cheese stands alone is an almighty card
@juantwothree45
Жыл бұрын
Waiting on the " Ranking 'You lose the game cards on how easy it is to lose with them" video.
@Ioxna
Жыл бұрын
It's a lot easier to flash in a creature, or return a creature to the battlefield than it is to flash in and activate a Planeswalker at instant speed. Lab Man is way better than Jace.
@_v7_257
10 күн бұрын
Would clue token artifact mass production not work for hellkite tyrant as an alternative strategy?
@joebaumgart1146
5 ай бұрын
Mortal Combat and Epic Struggle are designed for token decks. I can't believe you didn't realize that. It's not hard to generate 20 token creatures then wrath them. Yes, it does still count. It has no different names clause.
@emilypearl3510
Жыл бұрын
Would argue Lilianas Contract way easier than epic struggle, 4 changelings are way easier than 20 any
@zerorequiem42
Жыл бұрын
Darksteel reactor is a favorite of mine. Twenty counters is surprisingly easy to get with the right cards. Like dismantle.
@imofage3947
14 күн бұрын
I've personally used Felidar Sovereign in Legacy tournaments; Battle of Wits in Standard; Barren Glory in EDH; Etrata, the Silencer in EDH; Hellkite Tyrant in EDH; Revel in Riches in EDH; Jace, Wielder of Mysteries/Laboratory Maniac in EDH; Approach of the Second Sun in EDH; and Biovisionary in EDH. I also asked my playgroup about a Rule Zero exception to allow 4x Hedron Alignment in EDH, but they turned me down.
@SpellboundTutor
Жыл бұрын
I have a question. You mentioned Azor's Elocutors was really bad, slow, and boring. But do filibuster counters work with proliferate?
@michaelking7391
Жыл бұрын
Youve already answered your own question
@MTGGoldfish
Жыл бұрын
Yeah, they do.
@SpellboundTutor
Жыл бұрын
@@MTGGoldfish Cheers! I'm an awful grenhorn with Magic so I wasn't sure if there was like a "Here are all the very specific counters that work with Proliferate" list or something. Thanks!
@CliffordEdwards-lowe
19 күн бұрын
Number 0 form of the approach of the second sun
@902496
21 күн бұрын
I have an Angus Mackenzie deck that seeks to end the game via one of 5 alt conditions: Darksteel reactor, Azor's elecutors, Mechanized Production, Helix Pinnacle, or Divine Intervention. I run some proliferate effects, some extra upkeep effects, and no infinite mana combos. The deck mostly seeks to build the most durable pillowfort ever and hunker down till it can win. So far the only one I've pulled off is Divine Intervention.
@ttme1234
Ай бұрын
I have a "alt win con tribal" commander deck in which I play as many of these as feasibly possible (I don't run the ones that aren't possible in my deck) and I'd say 90% of my victories are from Maze's End. The rest aren't any one or two cards in particular, they can be almost any of them. Thoracle, Lab Man, and Jace are (unsurprisingly) much stronger in my self-mill decks because I can afford to run more cards to support them.
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