By the way, the AIM-9J/P is getting a massive buff next patch, the cage angle is huge now
@gansior4744
Жыл бұрын
Massive info. F-104S Might be very fun
@shipdw7279
Жыл бұрын
Might@@gansior4744
@User90126
Жыл бұрын
Do you know if the swedish rb24j will get the larger cage angle ?
@rickdubbink
Жыл бұрын
@@User90126 should be all of them
@lucky7th331
Жыл бұрын
This is only for pre launch I believe so it shouldnt suffer with flares as much after launch as it should with pre flaring
@Sagaleon14
Жыл бұрын
It’s worth noting that (at least in my experience with the American F-104s) you can deploy flaps above Mach for about 2 seconds before ripping, very useful for those high speed little adjustments for a shot
@FirstDagger
Жыл бұрын
inb4 somebody asks for what the arrestor hook is used for in real life, it is used for engine run-up tests on the ground as the engine would overpower the wheel brakes and for emergency landing systems on runways. Most USAF jets have one, including the F-16, F-15, F-35A, and F-22.
@Siddich
Жыл бұрын
Also Eurofighter
@onezerotwo
Жыл бұрын
I have to say, I really appreciate you actually offering an opinion on this plane that isn't just "NO FLARES = BAD". Every other review/overview of this plane (and other F-104s) are just 5 very unhelpful minutes of bitching about the lack of flares and then 5 minutes complaining about how it doesn't turn. This is a good review. People! Watch this guy more.
@kylebrady969
Жыл бұрын
Any game with some kind of winning 'meta' is always going to have players that feverishly pursue 'the meta.' Anything that falls outside 'the meta' is therefore probably not worth anything. That's how I see it, anyway
@TimsVariety
Жыл бұрын
Sadly, the "eh .. shit's mid ..." not-even-skin-deep vids get 30x the views this one will.
@gansior4744
Жыл бұрын
F-104's can honestly surprise sometimes in a dogfight. Flaps are a must tho
@LibranSoldierofFortune
Жыл бұрын
I feel like the reason the Japanese had a better time with the starfighter is because they actually used it for what it was intended for lol not ground pounding
@cmdrTremyss
Жыл бұрын
Japanese: Wait, what if we use this interceptor for interception? Americans: You can't do that, that's illegal!
@LibranSoldierofFortune
Жыл бұрын
@@cmdrTremyss the Germans and Italians took a jet fully intended for interception and tried to make it a CAS over the G91s they had Lol never-mind the fact that both air forces were still rebuilding experience from WW2 lol go from Me 262, F86-CL13s to BOOM F104s for CAS lol
@spindash64
11 ай бұрын
Iirc, newer US pilots actually had LOWER accident rates than more experienced US pilots in the 104, because when they were told “don’t do that, you’re gonna get yourself killed”, they took that as gospel
@f45411
4 ай бұрын
@@LibranSoldierofFortune the benefit of using a f104 vs g91 for cas is it's raw speed which the G91's airframe could never handle
@Plab1402
16 күн бұрын
Idk man the idea of the f104 as cas sounds cool, but it'll never work out
@BlackThanator
Жыл бұрын
A minor detail someone flying a Starfighter should keep in mind is that, while turn performance is generally lacking, it will outpull any other jet at altitude and beyond Mach 1. So should you find yourself in an uptier with something chasing you that's just as fast, you'll still be able to outmanoeuvre them if you go high and play your cards right. The Starfighter excels in situations where other planes would lock up.
@user-gv4zb9rc6u
Жыл бұрын
Problem there is then it's just one missile required to kill ya and oh boy howdy are those common.
@BlackThanator
Жыл бұрын
@@user-gv4zb9rc6u True, especially on the flareless versions. There is a chance that in a chase scenario it's already pretty late into the game and your enemies might have expended all their missiles prior, but certainly not a chance you should rely upon.
@magscorch7706
Жыл бұрын
In that situation an R-60 from a MiG-21SMT will take care of you just fine
@ninjax4909
Жыл бұрын
Sparrow enters the chat
@emmata98
Жыл бұрын
9:26 one of the more unrealistic things, since it only should work for the arrestor systems for shortening the landing on ground bases, not aircraft carriers. But since CV's are almost impossible to find outside of air sb...
@TimsVariety
Жыл бұрын
When I first tried it, I honestly expected the hook not to catch and assumed it was just cosmetic ... when I realized it was functional, I had to include it in the review, as goofy and useless as it is.
@emmata98
Жыл бұрын
@@TimsVariety it is functional (also on the ground based F4's and stuff). The only hooks, that don't catch are bugged.
@SCATXXV
Жыл бұрын
@@TimsVarietyWhats life without Japanese planes going into ships wait I mean onto ships
@bobdole6768
Жыл бұрын
turns out if you dont use an interceptor as a ground levelattacker and dont ban a country from having an airforce and then try and take people from props or basic jets to something competitive in terms of speed with modern jets.. its pretty safe
@gregg_
Жыл бұрын
beautiful video, i promised i watched it all before commenting
@simula152
Жыл бұрын
Very good video. Expected nothing less.
@TacgnolSimulacrum
Жыл бұрын
As a suggestion, It could be interesting to either have reviews like this cover all the 104s in a single go, or have a dedicated video for each shared plane going through the differences between each one.
@hampter5379
Жыл бұрын
wow as soon as i got it i see you tim
@VictorKorp1999
Жыл бұрын
To grind through Rank VI and VII I just couldn't with this one, I ended up going with the F-1, it has the same weaponry plus you can do CAS and dogfight on some occasions. Still, this is a great review as always Tim!
@FlightIsLife
Жыл бұрын
With the current state of the game a 10.3 plane with no countermeasures is basically a non starter if you want to have any fun
@slayo710
11 ай бұрын
For real I feel like you would just get murdered playing this thing at 10.3 and are better of with something else. Just seems kinda useless.
@Philliben1991
Жыл бұрын
Wasn't a fan of any other F-104's but I used this to grind the Japanese jet research tree through necessity and got pretty good with it. Definitely not the worst jet in WT.
@Philliben1991
Жыл бұрын
BTW I disagree about the rocket pods. The air to air missiles on this aircraft are so bad (at least the Aim-9B's and E's) they aren't really worth using. High speed and the vulcan are your main weapons. So I'd only load up 2 air to air missiles and use rocket pods for getting a few ground kills here and there.
@kotenara10
Жыл бұрын
I love this variant after the Italian F-104 ASA, also it has a cute codename "Eiko" xD
@yungyork5425
Ай бұрын
Tim I really appreciate that you give the Genuine history of the craft in your war thunder videos. It really is great as I was curious if these actually saw service with japan or just were on of those trainer projects etc.. thanks for the information - about do do some more research now :D
@superfamilyallosauridae6505
Жыл бұрын
Don't forget they used a bunch as test drones from Iwo Jima. The videos of it are on KZitem. Very cool to see.
@pseudoninja7909
Ай бұрын
As an update to newer viewers, due to the br decompression at 10.0 and above, this thing has become quite useable at its own br (finally). Not only did it stay at 10.3 while everything else around it was shifted up, at some point since this video it got the ability to carry up to 6 Aim9Ps. As such, it’s become a missile boat which is now quite fast at its own br (as a star fighter should be). The stock grind is still not great, but if you find a play style that works for you with it, it will do mighty well for you now. This is one of my few planes with which I have a positive K:D, so I might be biased, but I do highly recommend it. I’ve flown well over a hundred matches with it and it still feels great to play.
@pseudoninja7909
Ай бұрын
I guess I should also add, if you use the rockets as flares, they work great on missile fired at you front aspect, but they’re nearly useless flaring rear aspect. This means you can head on A-10s and Su-25s with much less worry. As the players of both of those aircraft don’t expect flareless planes to survive head on missile shots, you can frequently catch them off guard and spray them down with your Vulcan. Also, I personally recommend not playing this like a F-104. I fly low to the ground flanking missions typically, and engage in guerrilla tactics, popping up from behind ridges, firing a missile or two, and then throwing on the afterburner to get out of there before they knew you were there. Rinse and repeat. As anyone new to Japanese jets will learn, if an enemy knows you’re there, you’ve majorly messed up. Nearly every one of the Japanese jets is out matched majorly in at least one metric that can be exploited if the enemy knows it (which they always do), so the only way to win is to kill them before they notice you. It’s tricky and won’t net you close to as many kills as everyone else is getting, but you’ll survive. Not having to pay a massive sl repair cost every match is a win in its own regard. Never give your opponents a fair fight. Ever.
@codeycox247
Жыл бұрын
I have a good time flying this in sim battles when 10.0 is in.
@tamamonomae7465
9 ай бұрын
My experience with the 104J in regards to the turn time is that like everything else about this plane is situational, I get the best flat horizontal turns at high alt at mach 1.20 (managing to pull 10g's consistently). Low alt, I concur with your observation. If you manage your speed in a dive you can also sustain a long turn with minimal energy loss in a split S. As a rule of thumb never go below mach .90 for more than 3 seconds or you're dead
@ReviveHF
Жыл бұрын
Boom and Zoom tactic is an essential to get things right while playing this plane.
@wolfhelm8078
7 ай бұрын
boom and zoom would be viable if you didn't just get obliterated by a front aspect from an unspotted pane
@TomPrickVixen
7 ай бұрын
It can carry 6 Aim-9s now, but it's RWR is technically no longer exists!
@zanzao-1ps318
Жыл бұрын
F-104 are VERY interesting platforms, but I really can't get over how bad they look, especially from the side. THEY LOOK LIKE A PENCIL WITH TREX ARMS
@FatherExo
Жыл бұрын
You never made an AH-64 video :( I’d like to see one, or at least something unique like the VBCI or Bradley review
@cptkkz_natsuki
Жыл бұрын
I played the F-104J shortly after release and it was a very fun plane to fly in combat for the first year or so. If played right, with its strangely fun BnZ play style, it can slap hard, but I find it overtiered since a few major updates later.
@KaguyasBeat
Жыл бұрын
I skipped out on it completely going up the tree. Just stuck with the F-1 primarily because it was lower BR. Now they're the same so, might be alright to revisit.
@Monkey_Spunk
Жыл бұрын
This is the best thing I ever saw.
@edipil9446
Жыл бұрын
I'd caution in general against anyone using an F104 to ground pound or strafe. You go so fast and have such limited maneuverability that you're very likely to just eat dirt because you could not pull up.
@TheCoolParnell
Жыл бұрын
9:25 *Whew!* Barely Made It.
@rightaxlebroken4835
Жыл бұрын
39 seconds ago huh? Damn
@gansior4744
Жыл бұрын
That's a speedrun
@cmdrTremyss
Жыл бұрын
If only it had flairs...
@lordwintertown8284
Жыл бұрын
G'day Tim, Now it's strange that this G model (J in japanese service) got to go down in BR but the RoC version is still stuck at 10.7, On that note how do you feel in taking out that G model for extra starfighterness heh. Still It isn't impossible to down ground attack in the Starfighters even ones without CCIP and nearly all AI targets in ARB are prone to destruction from the M61 autocannon (I find cockpit view in a shallow dive while flying at 600-700kmph the best speeds for ARB ground attack). It definitely does get a nice selection of skins this one better then the RoC one since it gets none. The rockets as flares are usable imo but it does suck not having CM although some on the forum suggest it might have had them as one topic goes into in the machinery of war section.
@daddytito917
Жыл бұрын
It went down in br cause it’s got no flares unlike the rest of the G’s, unless the Chinese one also doesn’t get flares in which case lmao
@lordwintertown8284
Жыл бұрын
@@daddytito917 The RoC G model is flareless as well & don't even dare say it's due to the underwing plyons for the ability to carry 2× 750lb'ers and or 2× AGM-12B's as that's a copout vs other Starfighters or any other aircraft around that BR. Somehow the RoC G model still sits at the same BR as the West German one which is the superior G model with 4× AIM-9J's, all the bombs & AGM's plus CM, That's followed by the Italian G model but it only gets 2× AIM-9J's & CM plus a few bombs.
@imlivinginyourceiling
Жыл бұрын
The F-104J has no skins though? Just the ugly looking silver one.
@daddytito917
Жыл бұрын
@@imlivinginyourceiling no it has a blue one
@RogueBeatsARG
Жыл бұрын
Gotta love Japanese Camos
@xivkya6882
Жыл бұрын
Turns better than the goddamn tornado f 3 at least
@Knight6831
Жыл бұрын
The reason the Avro Shackleton in WT has no torpedoes is that the aircraft was never a maritime patrol bomber but a Long-range Maritime Patrol and Anti-Submarine Warfare aircraft for hunting Soviet Navy submarines. Technically while it could carry a 15,000ib bomb load equally 30 500ib G.P. Mark 4 Free-Fall Bombs or 15 1000ib G.P. Mark 1 Free-Fall Bombs, really it would carry Depth Charges, Sonobouys and the only torpedoes it could carry were British 18" Mark 30 Dealer-B or American Mark 44 Anti-Submarine Warfare torpedoes which aren't in WT as submarines aren't in WT and the Shackletons never carried any conventional anti-surface warfare torpedoes. The two 20mm Hispano Mark 5 cannon in the nose in the MR.3 are for strafing enemy submarines only whereas the MR.1 Shackleton had two 20mm Hispano Mark 5 cannon in the nose and dorsal turrets and two 12.7mm Browning Machine Guns in the tail which was needed at the time whereas the WT Shackleton MR.2 is the pre-service model as the Shackleton MR.2 in service had no guns at all. The Avro Shackleton is basically an aircraft that was created in a time where depth charging a submarine was still done as Anti-Submarine Warfare torpedoes as an ASW weapon had not fully matured to be reliable enough to kill a submarine
@SweetSniper5197
10 ай бұрын
How does this have anything to do with the F-104...
@derritter3873
Жыл бұрын
I spaded this a while ago, and since 12.3 is coming, I’m gonna have to give this the F-104J a revisit. Also, does the F-104J in game have the correct amount of pylons? I heard you say it had additional weapon pylons.
@jfv2312
Жыл бұрын
In real life the JSDAF only used the ventral twin rack for Sidewinder missiles, it was very rare to see one of their F-104s with missiles on the wingtips. This was allowed in WT though
@aliceWT
Жыл бұрын
Aim9p and rb24j has radar slaving ability, the aim 9j lost the ability to radar slaving
@handlesarecringe957
Ай бұрын
Constant uptier means that it's completely useless until you get 9Es
@portal5886
Жыл бұрын
Cool
@Netanya-q4b
Жыл бұрын
long video to say no flares, skip it (have all the 104's other than the prem one)
@FirstDagger
Жыл бұрын
Was a better grinder than the T-2 or F-1 prior to the coming patch.
@lfox6566
Жыл бұрын
Hey Tim could u review the Russian BI?
@TimsVariety
Жыл бұрын
kzitem.info/news/bejne/k5iC1q1vn557n6g
@0Ploxx
Жыл бұрын
Still no F-104A/C review :(
@billclinton3862
Жыл бұрын
Can you do a video on the Mitsubishi T2 please?
@TimsVariety
Жыл бұрын
kzitem.info/news/bejne/xn6D1ZWpkqeTdIo
@DieErsteKartoffel
Жыл бұрын
Pencil gang
@hipstr5615
Жыл бұрын
When did it get radar missiles?
@borkovitch5227
Жыл бұрын
It doesnt have any, hes just using the radar lock to slave the IR seekerhead a lot.
@sgthop
Жыл бұрын
Never, those are Sidewinders
@volatile5460
Жыл бұрын
Bro's gonna make an april fools review on the lockheed lancer before he reviews the american starfighter variants 💀
@spindash64
11 ай бұрын
Hey, maybe the US A model will get its ANG upgrade by then
@_S1mba
Жыл бұрын
104 players can be so frustrating
@miquelescribanoivars5049
Жыл бұрын
PAIN.
@timb3499
Жыл бұрын
Any tips for using rockets as flares. I can’t seem to make it work.
@Dave-_-
Жыл бұрын
you have to turn off the afterburner, otherwise even flares wouldn't do their job. and using these rockets to dodge missiles from behind is also not an option.
@Yokochan84
Жыл бұрын
How do you get the special paints ? I’ve never seen them before as I’m on console
@lordwintertown8284
Жыл бұрын
Those are from the colour scheme crates which are basically 698 GE and poxy RNG so it may take a few tries & after a few tries if you don't get it early you can scrap skins in the workshop for coupons to try again for the skins, IIRC the blue skin is from a pre 2.01 update crate.
@imlivinginyourceiling
Жыл бұрын
where did you get the camo?
@chrissbasement169
25 күн бұрын
10.3 starfighter with no flares is just stupid imo i dont recommend this plane u will often just die to things u cant hope to dodge Its workable but the play style of the thing is basically based on luck
@TheGuyfromValhalla
Жыл бұрын
Wtf is it with the enemies you get bro? No one does anything about the missiles coming at you!
@Micro-Lander
Жыл бұрын
ah politics and corporatism we could've had a Japanese Super tiger but nah just another 104, rip the chances of a super tiger ever in game now
@t_k_o_l
Жыл бұрын
if pain was a plane
@andyeulu828
Жыл бұрын
Airsoft Defense Forces XD
@adacolb2340
Жыл бұрын
Wish someone gave the F104 Aim 9ms
@FirstDagger
Жыл бұрын
The most modern AIM-9 the F-104 ever used was the AIM-9L on the Italian models.
@FireKaren
Жыл бұрын
Dumb comment
@Minnka_
9 ай бұрын
Trash plane honestly
@redmustang143
Жыл бұрын
I just use its unbreakable flaps at like 700km it wants to break but any speed above an below you can have them out
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