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@stillxxxill
4 ай бұрын
Sorry to do it here, but could you please tell me what the song (and band) in the outro is called?
@SOCCER_BUNNY
3 ай бұрын
@@stillxxxilldon’t you have Shazam?
@stillxxxill
3 ай бұрын
@@SOCCER_BUNNY I do, but it’s not giving me a result. Otherwise I wouldn’t be asking. Cheers.
@xxslenderchrisxx1883
4 ай бұрын
So is nobody going to mention the 2 hockey masks are just a reused fallout 1st item but different colors
@Gamer_Aviator
4 ай бұрын
If we had known that we would have put it in the video! Makes it even more shameful. Where’s a Septa when you need one?
@xxslenderchrisxx1883
4 ай бұрын
@Gamer_Aviator ya if you want to see it it's the bog wanderer
@Terry_and_Glenn
4 ай бұрын
The Pioneer Squirrel Plushie is also the same *exact* model as the Pioneer Mr Fuzzy that was in the atom shop a few weeks back
@danielstokker
4 ай бұрын
Screw this entire season
@martyk656
4 ай бұрын
@@Gamer_Aviator I thought it was a good thing to give players a chance to earn paywall items in game at no extra cost? It's hard to keep up with manufactured outrage trends. Besides, other than changing the paint jobs, how different do you expect hockey mask to look? "Collect All 3!" or 12 or 250. Collecting trophies and getting people excited over things they don't need goes back centuries - if not millenniums. It must have something to do with hunter/gatherer DNA.
@imonyourside8376
4 ай бұрын
This should be shown to every Fallout 76 player. I don't care much about cosmetics so I'll just grind to get the best FO 1st tent, which seems like a must.
@danielstokker
4 ай бұрын
No you really dont have to believe me 😂
@imonyourside8376
4 ай бұрын
@@danielstokker If only Fallout 4 had a coop mod, I wouldn't even mess with FO76. I just want a Fallout game where I can mod my own server.
@deaconx
4 ай бұрын
If Bethesda doesn't respect my time, I won't give them any. Simple. Great work, you two.
@Gamer_Aviator
4 ай бұрын
Thanks @deaconx!
@maximumcarnage2077
4 ай бұрын
They already don’t respect our time with the Legendary ReRoll System! It is by far the worst RNG in any game i have ever played. And i been playing video games since Atari!
@Panda165YouTube
4 ай бұрын
I am now 60, been playing from the days of Pong & have never felt so badly treated by a games company like I do from Bugthesda in all that time. From the very beginning of ‘76 they have shit on us from high and still rip the money out of our hands because they know we love this game so much. SHAME ON THEM
@danielstokker
4 ай бұрын
I wanted a game i have not much to complain about started playing no mans sky again after 5 years @@maximumcarnage2077
@danielstokker
4 ай бұрын
@@loirigudothere is a level of acceptance and bethesda crushed that
@F-18Super
4 ай бұрын
They do realize 90% of their player-base are like super nerdy and good at math right? Like players who grind for hours using 30 different buffs and percentages to maximize profits. Did they really think no one would notice this scam?
@Gamer_Aviator
4 ай бұрын
That’s just it. Maybe they know more about the millions of people who just joined and are pandering to them. The demographic might have changed. Maybe they went woke. We don’t actually know what’s going on inside the offices and strategy meetings. I want to think that they have a plan and that the data shows this to be a successful way to get more customers and make more money, but I might also be giving them too much credit. Maybe they really are just throwing poop at the wall.
@fartingchickenz
4 ай бұрын
I didn't as a new player 😕
@KetoFitChef
4 ай бұрын
If they lowered the price of FO1st by 25%, they’d likely have a subscriber count jump of around 50-100%. Also, if they were to cut the cost of Atomic Shop items by 25-50% (for “digital” items!), they’d probably get twice as many sales! The reality is, I believe that Bethesda is pricing themselves out of making MORE money, while at the same time doing things like this and trying to “force” players to spend more money if they want this stuff. When all they have to do is make it more affordable and it would work itself out.
@danielstokker
4 ай бұрын
Are you nuts im not getting a subscription to get a bunch of cosmentics you only get freakin reskins
@KetoFitChef
4 ай бұрын
@@danielstokker please, by all means, explain to me why I’m nuts for suggesting that there are some people that will buy something at a discount, when there are already people paying full price. And unless I’m mistaken, I don’t recall mentioning you specifically, so that would mean that I wasn’t referring to you.
@KetoFitChef
4 ай бұрын
@@sh1v3ms I find it ironic that the people that don’t know shit are the ones that always talk out of their ass
@jvazacas
4 ай бұрын
Unfortunately, atom shop prices are steadily rising. I remember when 1500 atoms was the most expensive stuff you would find, and most bundles were 1000 to 1200 atoms. Now, I'm seeing more 2000 atom bundles. That monetization guy I saw on the video that talked about the change from scoreboard to seasons looks like a scam artist.
@KetoFitChef
4 ай бұрын
@@jvazacas yeah. It’s getting kinda crazy with the micro transactions that are turning into MACRO transactions! I stand by what is said in the OP about how I believe that they’d make more money overall by selling at a discount, but as long as “some” people are spending $15-$20 on these bundles, they will never accept that they’d make “more” in the long run by selling them for even $10-$15. And since the “genius” (🙄) above mentioned McDonalds, the CEO even came out recently and said that he’s realizing that they’re beginning to lose sight of who their customer base is and that they’re starting to push their core customers away with the increased pricing. The gaming industry is going to find out the hard way that they’re beginning to do the same thing.
@Rain0015
4 ай бұрын
I just wish they brought the old scoreboard back.
@Gamer_Aviator
4 ай бұрын
Me too. I miss it like I miss music from the 80s.
@clarencefye2998
4 ай бұрын
I have a scoreboard picture for every season I've played, not being able to get that anymore is the reason I don't like seasons
@Rain0015
4 ай бұрын
@@clarencefye2998 I dont like the fact that I have to deal with tickets. Get the rank, get the reward. NO reason to make it any more complicated than that, unless you want to trick the players. Also you get 1000 free atoms now instead of 2000 on old scoreboards. At least they brought back atoms as repeatable rewards this time.
@SteelTownErick
4 ай бұрын
@@Rain0015 Believe it or not, there were players confused by the old scoreboard. They didn't realize you needed to claim it it from the scoreboard menu and felt Bethesda made it too complex. (Yeah.) One of these people in a Discord I'm in loves the new version because it makes more sense to them. The new scoreboard is the old old one with more steps.
@Gamer_Aviator
4 ай бұрын
When you cater to the lowest common denominator, everyone suffers. But hey! The ones who didn't understand it are happy!
@scubasteve3032
4 ай бұрын
Fallout 76 feels like they took their ideas strait from Vegas casinos. They have mastered the art of making players think they are winning when in actuality, they are stealing your money and time without earning it.
@martyk656
4 ай бұрын
Have you played Destiny? The latest Destiny DLC & season is $100 if you want to experience anything new. It's easy to play Fallout 76 and experience virtually all of the game content without spending anything above buying Game Pass. How many other live service games can make that claim? It's true, many live services game developers have casino experts on the payroll, including Bungie. I agree with the criticism in general, but to my eyes, Fallout 76 doesn't exploit players. They do give whales an outlet to buy mostly cosmetics and. keep the game alive. It comes with the territory.
@peterclarke7006
4 ай бұрын
@@martyk656don't forget that destiny arrived at its final monetisation form gradually. It used the old "frog in a pan" metaphor to slowly turn up the heat on the players while hoping most wouldn't notice to begin with, and would be too invested and hooked to complain too much when they finally DID notice. While I agree that Bethesda's model isn't as egregious as many others, I think it's important to include the caveat "yet." They want as many of us to stop being freeloaders (even though many of us non-fo1st players either bought the game or pay for Gamepass) and buy a subscription. And while I sympathise with that desire to an extent, it doesn't make me remotely prepared to go to bat for them just because their current model, which is only into its 2nd season, isn't as bad as others which have been around for years. Give it time, basically.
@Casey_HZD
4 ай бұрын
I mean technically it isn't stealing if you give it willingly, but it is manipulative and therefore morally wrong in how these companies psychologically squeeze cash out of consumers.
@Munenushi
4 ай бұрын
Casino owners and designers have been consulted for game development since World Of Warcraft - they literally admitted that they consulted casino designers, so that they could make the game(s) more addictive and compulsive to players, getting them to "keep playing" more, etc. there is a ton of psychological things going on in games today. it's kind of sad
@peterclarke7006
4 ай бұрын
@@martyk656 it doesn't really exploit players in the financial sense to the same level as games like d2, but things can and will change. The writing is very much on the wall for those following the current fo76 season, and we disregard the potential of the game to shift gears into more of a grindy FOMO game at our peril.
@maximumcarnage2077
4 ай бұрын
Is that a stab at Mr WesTek doing the level 100 marathon yesterday? Lol
@Gamer_Aviator
4 ай бұрын
Him and everyone else in the comments that are boasting about completing the whole season in one day. It's fine if you can do that, but most people cannot.
@jvazacas
4 ай бұрын
KZitemrs like Mr West Tek can do this because KZitem is basically their only job. Normal people don't have that kind of time to play for 6 or 8 hours a day, and tbh, doing the west tek xp loop is just boring.
@Jimandtonic85
4 ай бұрын
@@jvazacas while true, even if they can do it 6-8 hours…if you really want the ranks and only play for an hour, that’s just one week of play. It sucks and it’s boring but if you really want the season rewards it seems better than the other options. I personally try not to worry about the season at all. I’ll look at my dailies and weeklies and do them organically or spend an half hour to an hour grinding both out at the start of the week, but then I just do whatever. I personally despise the season setup (I hate all battlepasses but had some fun with the old scoreboard). The season setup alone embarrassed me because I just got a friend to start the game and I hadn’t touched it since shoot for the stars.
@sumyunggui8750
4 ай бұрын
@@jvazacasthat guy's got to be living in his mom's basement or something. There's no way with only 80K subscribers You're pulling in enough income to replace a full-time job.
@jvazacas
4 ай бұрын
@sumyunggui8750 says who? There's ads on his videos, and he has a large portion of his viewers that are not subscribed, like most KZitem channels have. Add in the super chats during live streams and you would be surprised how much money one can make. His channel is monetized. Hating on him for it is childish at best.
@dodgyfalcon3680
4 ай бұрын
They don't care, they'll weather the storm for a couple weeks and keep it pushing,the whole gaming industry is greedy af.
@danielstokker
4 ай бұрын
Naahhhh other games do better seriously this game just has a more toxic developers then the scene they set the game in
@bradleyjenkins2271
4 ай бұрын
The whole point is literally to make money man Like get over this negativity mindset, gaming’s always been about making a quick buck for the makers
@ConfusedGamerGaming
4 ай бұрын
@@bradleyjenkins2271what drugs are you taking? lmao it has not “always” been like this, for you not to think the gaming industry is greedy now shows how little experience you have on the subject, the whole point in the beginning was not. to just make money, that’s the whole point now and that is greedy af. use that melted goop inside your skull.
@war.neverchanges
4 ай бұрын
Not fromSoft
@zenunderhill5278
4 ай бұрын
The game is free and the DLC costs nothing. There has to be income somewhere otherwise it isn’t sustainable.
@BxBxProductions
4 ай бұрын
Looks like their new hire screwed up
@Gamer_Aviator
4 ай бұрын
100%
@damianp1758
4 ай бұрын
DEI STRIKES AGAIN!😂
@danielstokker
4 ай бұрын
Yea that new director that came from ea and was head of monetization i feared the worst already
@BxBxProductions
4 ай бұрын
@@danielstokker this lol
@dragonmac1234
4 ай бұрын
The only item on this scoreboard I want is the survival tent with the loadout changer, that's it I have no interest in anything else. I'm not angry or disappointed, I've been playing long enough to know Bethesda does some wtf dumb stuff along with the good things 😄
@blackthorn7298
4 ай бұрын
Yeah, the module glitch is a great thing
@Dazzxp
4 ай бұрын
Same here, just the tent is all i am really after and the atoms along the way. Kinda niffed they removed the perk card points and moved them right to the last page but oh well.
@DasboardTVDE
4 ай бұрын
@@blackthorn7298 the module glitch and the unlimited improved Fix kit dropped from that 1 event from new map, which is also cool, before new map i have 0 improved fix kit, now i have 30+ lol
@darthj_der7447
4 ай бұрын
And they know that. I feel like there's nothing I want from this season. I check the season screen just to look. No more excitement.
@Santorini76
4 ай бұрын
@DasboardTVDE what Who when now??? Lol what glitch is this?
@clarencefye2998
4 ай бұрын
It being insulting is a fact not an opinion
@KSTeddy88
4 ай бұрын
Nah, not really. I think people are overly emotional. It's a season released with a map update. It was going to be low effort bec they did not have all the recourses they normally do for seasons.
@Gamer_Aviator
4 ай бұрын
The map expansion is different. They just released them both on the same day. We're comparing the new season format to the old season format, and the data shows that the experience was seriously downgraded.
@zappa993
4 ай бұрын
That game isn't perfect. Plenty of issues. I like it but what I dislike are fanboys like u write "that game is amazing" i love fallout 76 but I know this isn't amazing at all. It sucks on multiple things. And that's a fact.
@clarencefye2998
4 ай бұрын
I'm happy with the update I've been wanting more to the map for years. I'm just still a bit disappointed with the switch from scoreboard to seasons. I think it should've been some combination of both, I miss the look of the scoreboards and getting the picture after completing it. I liked the idea of the tickets but don't care for the seasons pages/tabs, needing an amount of things bought to purchase something is probably the main reason
@godofazureflames13
4 ай бұрын
@@KSTeddy88 so release the map update and wait a week or two for the new board. im sure everyone would have preferred more time on the last board, as well as the new board having more effort put in
@BhagavanDas9
4 ай бұрын
I am stupid, I paid $70 for Starfield
@nanotechnicianhq
4 ай бұрын
Yeah, that should of gone on a atomic shop bundle.
@HypnoFant
4 ай бұрын
I usually don't comment on videos however yours came up in the youtube algorithm and I want to say THANK YOU for breaking this down as you did. The new season definitely didn't "feel" right and as much as the nerd part of me wanted to do a similar personal breakdown of everything I knew I could never do it. I will definitely be sharing this with the community I hang out in so they can see as well. Great job!
@Gamer_Aviator
4 ай бұрын
Awesome. Thank you so much for taking the time to comment. We like making videos that enrich the community more than just builds and tutorials. I hope that if we are all better informed, that we can hold B to a higher standard. I'll keep playing, but like any relationship, I don't want to be treated poorly just because the other party can.
@ShawnVoloshin
4 ай бұрын
season 16 disgusted me already, Having to work fulltime, and hell, have a life... I was only able to get to level 146. Now season 17 is a complete joke, and ill not be bothering. Add the bug fiascos the last 24 hours? worse come to worse? ill go play FO4 again. AT least i already paid for that in full without penalty.
@danielstokker
4 ай бұрын
Lmao i stopped at 100 i knew this already didnt give a shit about the rest
@livelongda
4 ай бұрын
Lol crying about the bonus pages is stupid AF. There's nothing on there anybody needs
@Gamer_Aviator
4 ай бұрын
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@j_0076
4 ай бұрын
This is a rough season. Tickets were a bad call, especially if you're fo1st and have to work twice as hard after everyone says 1st is 'pay2win'. I got it for more benefits and fun, not more work. Especially since i only have 4 hours a day after work to do dailies and can't focus on repeatables. Im still going to work on this season, but it's a shame i still have to pick and choose the more needed items to buy first before it ends. Just hope they can tell us the time it ends this time. Thanks yall for the informative video❤
@danielstokker
4 ай бұрын
First cant be pay to win because 80% of what you get is cosmetic and if there is a weapon everybody gets you tell m next time how f-king stupid they are
@zorrodahousecat9104
4 ай бұрын
This has to be sarcastic...
@j_0076
4 ай бұрын
@@zorrodahousecat9104 what gave you that impression?
@Casey_HZD
4 ай бұрын
Yup. 1st should be a 'pay to progress' not a pay to grind longer. Most other online subs for games tend to give you the perks of 'skipping the lines' and allowing you to put in less effort.
@pupa-mi-ai_ciocanu_punctRO
4 ай бұрын
actually i grinded west tek for 9 hours only to finish the scoreboard. 80 intelligence, lunchboxes and all the food buffs
@raptorgeezus3810
4 ай бұрын
The survival tent with a loadout and workbench for me is all I need to play through the entire scoreboard
@Justanobody8472
4 ай бұрын
I really like the pioneer scout stuff since my main characters backstory is that she was a scout when she entered the vault at a young age before she was subject to her enclave father's secret genetic experiments in the vault, utilizing her scout knowledge when she emerged. ANYWAY, i was hoping for more than what we got in the season so i could push the RP further..
@biostemm
4 ай бұрын
I'm basically just doing my dailies and not stressing the weeklies anymore. I'm enjoying the new story arcs this far, though...
@Gamer_Aviator
4 ай бұрын
I am also enjoying the new story line -Noodle
@chuckfin
4 ай бұрын
All 3.5 hours of it then BAM, nothing.
@darthbauer5153
4 ай бұрын
@@chuckfinremind me how much you paid for the expansion.
@misfitlife1866
4 ай бұрын
@@darthbauer5153facts, I didn’t even buy fallout 76 I got it for free and have had since I think I’ve spent maybe 100 bucks in a few years on fallout first to get some stuff I like but other then that everything’s free
@danielstokker
4 ай бұрын
@@darthbauer5153well how.much have you paid over the last several years they made that exspension from that money , people like tou should shut the hell up freaking fanboys
@LudovicLorant
4 ай бұрын
If you ask me the change they should do is xp leveling until 150 not 100. The way it is done now "forces" you to rush to 100 so you can use as much dailies and weeklies as possible to reach 150. But even with that change, that's a lot of xp if you don't do westtek runs. And what about a price of 0 tickets for Fallout 1st rewards...
@Gamer_Aviator
4 ай бұрын
These are both great ideas. There’s no reason to make the repeatable stop at 100 anymore.
@The_Asgardian
3 ай бұрын
Just to clarify - where you give the number of weeks required for the board, is that just doing daily / weeklies - or is that hardcore playing and hitting the weekly repeatable a multiple times a day? (not necessarily farming score eg West Tek)
@JacobYaw
4 ай бұрын
Thank you, thank you, THANK you. Best breakdown I've seen of this greedy terrible season.
@Gamer_Aviator
4 ай бұрын
You're so welcome. Maybe we should thank Bethesda, though, because without their shenanigans, we'd have nothing to make content about! 😂
@yukimurasanada5209
4 ай бұрын
they give us less stuff since half of each page is pay to gain bullcrap, i miss the 100 level gameboard, though i like that atoms can be semi-plentiful for us commoners, at the least
@CJ9JJ
4 ай бұрын
Amazing data, thanks a lot for the effort put in this video!
@Gamer_Aviator
4 ай бұрын
you are most welcome. -Noodle
@cynicalthoughts
4 ай бұрын
The honesty is refreshing ❤
@sagarah8217
2 ай бұрын
This season was more about the map expansion
@KnightDakenKross
4 ай бұрын
Thanks, now I am more sad about Bethesda. First, they nerfed the rewards from the new quest line. Now they bring a shit season pass... If I didn't love Fallout too much, I already had stopped playing it
@Gamer_Aviator
4 ай бұрын
It’s almost like they’re pandering to an audience of children that only they know about.
@JeffBuilds
4 ай бұрын
Because of Fallout Season 1, they basically are.
@danielstokker
4 ай бұрын
I love fallout but i wouldnt call 76 a true fallout game i tried for 2 years to convince myself but if its not better at the end of the year im gonne leave that game i dont need to throw my money in bethesda's black hole
@KnightDakenKross
4 ай бұрын
@@danielstokker but it isn't. I just like some stuff and play with real people and friends is just what keeps me playing. But sometimes, I think in go back to Fallout 4, even me having 1400 hours of FO4. Sometimes I even think in to play Skyrim, which I have 3 000 hours. For now, I'll just explore the new region and try to discover the secrets and lore of the local
@danielstokker
4 ай бұрын
@@KnightDakenKrossthats all i did this week then i went off again after doing both new events once im just angry
@adandredestefano
4 ай бұрын
You got a subscription for me just for simply mentioning quantitative easing. Most people are unaware. Also, the content and quality were quite good. Thank you for the time and effort you put into the video.
@brianrmc1963
4 ай бұрын
I appreciate the number crunch. For me, there is no one item that I want to have “right now.” The Cremator is a one-of-a-kind weapon like the Nuka Launcher. The Trailer Survival Tent is the one item I really want, and I can wait for it. Like you, I purchased last season but not this one.
@jvazacas
4 ай бұрын
If you are not subscribed to fallout 1st, don't waste your tickets on the survival tent. You will not be able to place it.
@Gamer_Aviator
4 ай бұрын
Interesting. If you buy the season pass, you can buy the survival tent, but you can't use it. What a scam!
@jvazacas
4 ай бұрын
@Gamer_Aviator it definitely should be in a description on the item for new players, especially.
@brianrmc1963
4 ай бұрын
@@Gamer_Aviator Why can’t you use it?
@jvazacas
4 ай бұрын
@@brianrmc1963 it's a fallout 1st exclusive like the ammo box, scrap box, and private servers
@chadd.9107
4 ай бұрын
That subtle jab at westtek lmao
@mrnobody043
3 ай бұрын
Bethesda is just counting on impulsive purchases.. Ppl that can't help themselves to get everything they see.
@volationful
4 ай бұрын
I don't even use their donation box, just because it will generate ammo and items and probably liquidate old players' items, so they won't be able to help in the future.
@italianhippie
4 ай бұрын
Great work... Thanks for working all the math ❤
@Gamer_Aviator
4 ай бұрын
Thanks! Glad you enjoyed it. -Noodle
@rygull
4 ай бұрын
What a great video and channel to come across. Super informative and well made. I sure do miss the old scoreboard. It felt good and rewarding unlocking at every level.
@Gamer_Aviator
4 ай бұрын
Thanks @rygull! We feel the same way.
@djwak59
4 ай бұрын
Actually, I do like the fact I can buy what I want, rather than the scoreboard way, where I HAD to take it. But to me anyway, there’s way too much “useless” stuff. Road signs, surf board shelves, forklifts, WTH ?? So, I’m only interested in things that are gonna DO something for me. So that last page is what I aim for, and I hear they did make those repeatable like last season, so that’s cool. Just my opinions.
@berns3337
4 ай бұрын
You also realize that last season there was 1200 atoms available for non season pass and non fallout 1st members this season there is 1200 but 200 have been moved from a reward spot to the last bonus page which means for a standard player ,yep even less atoms . I expect this scenario to continue on upcoming seasons. For the folks who don't pay for atoms , season passes or fallout 1st the rewards get less and less every new season. And I do expect bethesda to eventually raise the atom cost of the season pass . Only time will tell but I don't see the standard player getting much out of seasons. I really don't like where this is going at all . Eventually I can see that if you dont pay seasons will be worthless
@danielstokker
4 ай бұрын
I dont need atoms im not buying their shit anymore 😂😂😂
@Gamer_Aviator
4 ай бұрын
And the atoms on the last bonus page are egregiously expensive. $1 worth of atoms for $10. Just go buy 1000 atoms from the store if you want them.
@berns3337
4 ай бұрын
For me it comes down to 1 question as someone who doesn't pay for season pass and doesn't pay for fallout 1st what is the point to grind through this season and the answer is, there really isn't any point i don't get enough atoms to even really get anything and the rewards are not worth the grind . There is no incentive for me to grind through these seasons. Unlike the previous scoreboards where I did have incentive even as a non fallout 1st member. Its just not worth my time now
@realplayer9603
4 ай бұрын
Most of the items in the season reward will never see the light of day and will only get purchased to access the last page. Yeah there a few people who will take the time and make a huge effort to make a shelter or camp crammed with items that are usually found in landfills but the only time i enter someone elses shelter is because its a challege requirement not because i want to get trapped in a shelter that taste forgot.
@Gamer_Aviator
4 ай бұрын
The point is that in the old format, at Rank 100 you got 100 items, and more if you were FO1st. So that's the bar for comparison. Now at Rank 100 you can't get all the items until Rank 119, and then you're only getting 83 items if you're not FO1st. If you're FO1st and want to get everything that you used to get at Rank 100, you have to be Rank 148. So comparing it to the old scoreboard system, it's a huge downgrade.
@realplayer9603
4 ай бұрын
@Gamer_Aviator I understand the premise of the old and new scoreboard, I feel it would be better served if you didn't have to make a set number of purchases to access the final page, sure level to 150 and if there are items you really want or peek your interest buy them but allow the player to decide. As for standard vs FO1 why didn't they just make a score point difference e.g. 10 for FO1 and 20 for standard.
@realplayer9603
4 ай бұрын
@Gamer_Aviator in the old seasons you had no real choice worked you way around the board collecting every "reward". Now essentially you can pick and choose true a standard member has to get nearly everything before bonus page but FO1 does not, every ten levels you can collect atoms if you want last season i split between boosters and perk points so for this season I am stocked on boosters, I didn't buy every power armour skin and glass bauble I purchased enough to get me over the line, yes I did buy some FO1 only items one because I liked them and two because it was better than the alternatives, previously I had no choice.
@winston.972
3 ай бұрын
Great video, Thank you for pointing this out. I play the game for 2 hour every day, I only boost every Tuesday and I haven't purchased any Power Armor skins, Icons and picture frames. I only just got to level 100 and still haven't got enough point to purchase the rest of the CAMP items rewards on the level 100 page. Great Math Thank you
@wartimewells1592
4 ай бұрын
I was really hoping for a bow that could be upgraded in the season pass. Having no weapon build. Really messed me up
@LeonScottKennedy7
4 ай бұрын
Nah probably a commando or heavy weapon next season, they like being creative😂
@charlesmarsh4606
4 ай бұрын
just run a 8 two shot fatmans like me. youll get all the loot from events and exp.. =)
@tenderfingers
3 ай бұрын
I enjoy the game. Seems like a lot of people just complaining at each other for fun. I guess I'm not dumping enough of my life in the game to feel cheated
@MashupsByMandy
4 ай бұрын
Do you folks have a comparative video between items from season 17/16 to season 15/14? I think non fallout 1st players are getting screwed over repeatedly since they changed from "scoreboard" to "seasons". I think that is a lot more important than comparing 16 to 17.
@danielstokker
4 ай бұрын
No listen if you dont have fallout first and dont buy atoms your the smart one at the moment
@Gamer_Aviator
4 ай бұрын
We made a similar video for S16: kzitem.info/news/bejne/xW6EyWqMkqmVbIo. We are both FO1st, and I agree with you that it’s wrong they’re making all of us work harder. However, we try to make the videos accommodating for everyone, so we don’t spend a lot of time on the impact for a particular segment. I think the FO1st players know they’re getting a bad deal already.
@WindDead
4 ай бұрын
I came back to season 16 since release, putting in over 200 hours the past several weeks. At first it felt really promising, but ultimately, getting to end game, it feels so lifeless and the lack of care and love really shows. I played everyday hoping to fall in love with Fo76 as I did with it's predecessors, sadly Bethesda doesn't want that, they just want our money without the effort it takes to deserve it :\
@SgtHotdogbun
4 ай бұрын
TYVM for the call out. Bethesda as been $hit. 6 years and only one map expan. I love the lore and everything else but it really pisses me off how they treated the game. Lack of map weapon skins bugs ect ect. The fanboys need to call out this bs 6YEARS and this is crap. They don't care about their fans they just care about the money.
@gepsal209
4 ай бұрын
No, the community is the problem, they just buy everything and then cry, it is actually funny. xd
@reversecolin1256788
4 ай бұрын
heres an idea go play Wolfenstein old blood that's all the addon story is
@charlesmarsh4606
4 ай бұрын
@gepsal209 actually bethesda is the issue. they messed my account up and deleted my guy and told me there sorry. gave me 3200 atoms for my new account but lost progress of the last season and a level 320 character. it also took them almost 2 months to give me something in return for there failures.
@Gamer_Aviator
4 ай бұрын
Everything is a remix. kzitem.info/news/bejne/uW-Iv6msiXWCiHY
@gepsal209
4 ай бұрын
@@charlesmarsh4606 Are you still going to play after that? If the answer is yes, then you are the problem, if the answer is no, then move on.
@kevinw.3330
4 ай бұрын
Great info after playing for three years I always have known , that slieght of hand works against players
@Gamer_Aviator
4 ай бұрын
If you sit down at a poker table and you don't know who the mark is...it's you.
@Kotoric21
3 ай бұрын
This needs to be shown to way more players. Keep up the good work, y'all!
@DemonFireGaming
4 ай бұрын
I so miss the old scoreboard system, it just felt more unique it felt more fallout it felt like playing along the board games from the game, it was a great themed completion reward for finishing the board, the new seasons are just disappointing
@DemonFireGaming
4 ай бұрын
Due to last season and this season not having a score board poster kind of final reward and the fact that i was 25 tickets short of my last unlock last season, im so upset im juat going to push the scoreboard this season to the scythe and then chill not even worry about trying to complete the board
@RickDrew
4 ай бұрын
Anyone notice that the morse code chart is backwards? Bugthesta is greedy and lazy.
@bonus1057
4 ай бұрын
I'm really only interested in those player icons on the final page, which will be the only reason I'll grind this season.
@BreakfastAtNoon
4 ай бұрын
Started playing again after the show, was one of many of flipped their desk over on launch day even after playing the beta it somehow got worse. Been absolutely loving my time and clocked around 500 hours since the day after the show landed, brought the misses a brand new pc so she can join me and we been having hell of a time. This update and season has kinda deflated us.. just feels off. The map update feels half baked, broken quests requiring relaunches, little things like no new food from turkeys? Side quests were like what? 2? And one main quest line? One new event aside from the nuke. It just all feels like 5 people worked on it.
@Gamer_Aviator
4 ай бұрын
Sorry that you're disappointed. Don't let that spoil the rest of the game for you. It's still a good game, if you take out the seasons and the bugs. The bugs will get fixed eventually, and hopefully if enough people complain about the seasons, they'll get better too. This is only the 2nd season in the new format, so there's a chance they'll revise it. We can hope, right?
@MrMunchman69
4 ай бұрын
You say they will hopefully fix the bugs, when? It's been years and not any better, now even worse. I blue screen when I swap guns, open a stash box, go into the legendary exchange, turn around, turn on vats. It is now a huge list of what will blue screen a player. And not just closing the game a total restart of the machine I play on. I happily will take the 2 and only 2 items I want and won't grind beyond that for the season. It a size 9 shoe in the back of the pants swiftly. I feel the did a very poor job on the seasons and especially this one.
@redemptionjack4657
3 ай бұрын
@MrMunchman69 Uh most have been fixed dor many though just message Betheada with your bug list.
@averycamara2662
4 ай бұрын
Thank you so much for breaking down the math on this season. I really appreciate it. You guys are the best.
@NL-Chaos
4 ай бұрын
I never saw this channel, got recommended, watched this episode and well i subbed. You guys are doing what i cannot do(adhd is good for creativity but i cannot focus on things i dont like😅 like this math) thanks for explaining it so clearly! Please keep doing this!
@stitchfan08
2 ай бұрын
What they should do is let us keep our season tickets after each season or reward players who have fallout 1st more tickets each time u rank up
@CarlosMartinez-mj6cu
4 ай бұрын
Thanks for the video specially the prices per item
@Gamer_Aviator
4 ай бұрын
You're welcome! Sorry we had to blow through them so fast, but we figure people can pause and scroll back. If we spent too much time on those pages, people would stop watching the video.
@faroutantics1847
4 ай бұрын
lol, I knew instantly by looking at it that it had less rewards. And the rewards they do have aren’t good
@swaggteamdons
4 ай бұрын
I understand there was a lot of work that went into the map expansion while keeping the atomic shop fresh and the season board. But they at least need to give us enough time to make it to repeatables this season to make up for the lack of depth in the season pass.
@smithbuilt
3 ай бұрын
I just play and if I get stuff I get stuff... no way would I pay for 1st
@gizmoandbackgaming
4 ай бұрын
300+ and FO1st player here and I am just buying what I really like and if I don't get to page 100 so be it. Maybe things will change in the next season, cross your fingers for that to happen. Like the way you break down the cost over all the currencies, makes it easier to decide if something is worth it. Great content.
@Gamer_Aviator
4 ай бұрын
Thank you! It made it easier for me too - would I pay X caps or Y dollars? It also shows the items that are a good deal, like all the atoms for less atoms than they are worth. Except the last one ofc.
@sapphicseas0451
4 ай бұрын
It's odd that things are less expensive last season, when for me I can buy all the pages easily this season, but last season could never afford anything
@Gamer_Aviator
4 ай бұрын
Average cost per item has actually gone up between S16 and S17, and there are fewer items.
@Alan_1
4 ай бұрын
Thank you for your very hard work on this! The Season 17 thing felt lackluster to me from the beginning. At least 16 had the Cremator and mods.
@Gamer_Aviator
4 ай бұрын
You’re welcome! We were also disappointed that there was no significant weapon for this season.
@brandonfulstone7628
4 ай бұрын
I usually complete the season in bout 3 to 4 weeks(not including the optional 2 pages)
@davethehatatkins708
4 ай бұрын
@8:45.. totally agree, i play Raid shadow legends and a lot of their champions ate the same, ok diff abilitites, but the same skin with a diff paint job.. great video.. thanks..
@BoJangles42
4 ай бұрын
So cool! Informative and entertaining! I love the data-based approach. You had me at “quantitative easing” 😊
@Gamer_Aviator
4 ай бұрын
I’m glad you liked that part! I considered cutting it because real QE is sooo much more complex, but I left it hoping someone would get a laugh. Imagine if we had interest rate hikes and a central bank in the game… -oskapt
@jeffspegal
4 ай бұрын
This was very informative I hope you guys keep it up
@Gamer_Aviator
4 ай бұрын
Thanks @jeffspegal. We too are confused by their actions. It looks like they’re alienating their existing subscriber base in a bid to grow to a new one.
@crazy-tommy
4 ай бұрын
It doesn't take 40 hours to reach rank 100 with the xp challenge. It's "only" around 8 hours if you use all buffs and scoreboosters. I completed this yesterday.
@Gamer_Aviator
4 ай бұрын
Many people can’t do that. If you were someone who just joined the game, then the reality is that you have to commit to it like a second job. When Season 16 ended, we saw lots of people in the comments who just hadn’t made it far enough with the time they had available. If the objective is to get people to play more, the rewards should be worth it.
@catsNplanets
4 ай бұрын
Did you not sleep?
@crazy-tommy
4 ай бұрын
@@catsNplanets I haven't grinded 8 hours in one go. On wednesday and thursday I grinded 3 hours each and then another 2 hours on friday to finish rank 100. So plenty of time to sleep (and work). Although I postponed checking out the new content and will explore the new area this weekend.
@perceivedvelocity9914
4 ай бұрын
What's a good reward and what's a bad reward is subjective. Thank you for comparing the seasons. That's a lot less subjective. IMO if you compared the new seasons to the last scoreboard it would be eye opening. IMO the old scoreboards were very "Fallout" and rewarded the player for the time that they invested. The new seasons are very Fortnite and extremely anti consumer.
@Gamer_Aviator
4 ай бұрын
You seem to have a lot of good opinions. You should make a video about them. ;) -Noodle
@GreatNinjaman
4 ай бұрын
S17 is trash. There's nothing there that I want.
@MTi-xm4ek
4 ай бұрын
Also forgot to mention amazing video you two, keep up the good work!!!
@Gamer_Aviator
4 ай бұрын
Thank you!
@TheNuclearGamerr
4 ай бұрын
Awesome breakdown vid newly subscribed because of it :). I will personally play like I normally do. Complete each day’s daily s and reroll a weekly in hopes of an epic and save weeklys for Esther Monday or a double score weekend (I’ll also pop a booster on double score weekend OR if I have them so that it gets the transition on Tuesday so it hits both weekly’s and both days) besides that I’m mainly just going for the tent on rank 95 cause I only have the basic survival tent atm.
@war.neverchanges
4 ай бұрын
We can also add in getting disconnected from the game every 30 minutes, oh other than the several getting disconnected when I JUST pressed got in the world
@GlenBenton69
4 ай бұрын
Excellent video both of you! Love the breakdown and appreciate all the work you both do :)
@Gamer_Aviator
4 ай бұрын
Glad you enjoyed it! We like making videos like this, and comments like yours make our day!
@wintersteale
4 ай бұрын
Thank you guys for your honest coverage. There is no score boost for regular players and the boosters don't appear until 72. Also, you only get atoms if you pay for 1st so as a regular you get atoms twice but 1st players get atoms 10x. I'm sorry but EVERY player deserves the atom rewards. And someone please explain to me, who the heck wants a set of paddles when you can't even claim the freaking canoe?!!!! It's obvious there are less rewards at a greater cost. I dropped 1st a bit ago and haven't purchased atoms in ages because I refuse to support the increasing greed of Bethesda and their inability to listen to the community. The Scoreboard was fun to progress through and unique. Now I feel like this awful rewards system is just a crappy financial exchange program. I feel totally ripped off and the fact that we are forced to grind more for this trash feels even worse.
@FallGuysFTW
4 ай бұрын
Thank you for making this! I been in many comments saying we’re getting less for playing more. That being said I do enjoy playing the game and most likely still going to grind it
@Gamer_Aviator
4 ай бұрын
Us as well. We're not saying not to play the game, just have realistic expectations for what you're going to have to do to complete the season.
@PCGamingGoodies
4 ай бұрын
The people affected the most are, sadly, channels like yours, Angry Turtle, MrWestek, etc., whose content depends on the game. Those who play casually and rarely grind to high levels are not affected. From their points of view, the game is the same it's ever been: lots of grinding and lots of repetitive "rewards" like the endless armor skins and consumables. If things get too predatory, you need to draw the line, like Oxhorn does. He has a big Fallout channel with 1m subs and he has steadfastly refused to pay for FO1st nor do any of the silly seasonal grind.
@filthygaijin6566
4 ай бұрын
Considering that the playerbase ate up the Amazon slop and have no concerns for lore, then this is well-deserved.
@superpandabacon
4 ай бұрын
I’m only in it for that camper survival tent😂 Just hope they put the chemistry station from last season in the store soon cause I missed out on that lol. Yea the pages looked bare this season.
@Gamer_Aviator
4 ай бұрын
I missed the autopsy station too. Noodle got it. It's awesome. It'll prob show up in the shop in a year.
@RuffisOak
4 ай бұрын
im glad almost everything thats worth playing for is just in the game and not the battlepass. all the new event weapons and armors/outfits are so much better than having them tied to a limited time battlepass
@Michael_MW
4 ай бұрын
That moment when inflation is so bad it even affects the fake currency in your video game.
@peterclarke7006
4 ай бұрын
Never forget, kids: the guy who designed the new season model has one of the most cartoonishly evil and on-the-nose job titles in the games industry: he's Bethesda's "Head of Monetisation," and he's actively pursued that as a career. I mean... Who even *applies* for a job like that?! Other than someone who's life goals are to have a facial scar, a white cat, and a worryingly large collection of lasers, sharks and planet-killing doomsday devices?
@Gamer_Aviator
4 ай бұрын
With enough backlash we should be able to get them to change things. One hopes.
@ibonk9673
4 ай бұрын
I like the duo work! feels like a college class presentation LOL
@Gamer_Aviator
4 ай бұрын
Hahahaha. It was tough not to make a powerpoint presentation for it. 😂
@ibonk9673
4 ай бұрын
@@Gamer_Aviator legendary duo i hope u guys are dating 😂
@Gamer_Aviator
4 ай бұрын
Awww...we've been married for 15 years.
@Envyre_
4 ай бұрын
Ok, pretty cool video but I have a few questions when you talk about "minimum rank required for 100" are you including bonus page 1 in this? or are you only including everything before that? if yes to the last question does that mean "minimum rank required for 150" is referring to bonus page 1? and finally are you including consumables or not in these calculations?
@Gamer_Aviator
4 ай бұрын
Rank 100 calculation includes having enough tickets to buy BP1 because they are the final rewards for the season. Rank 150 assumes buying one of every item on BP2 because we need a standard measurement. We did not include any additional buffs or score boosters other than the persistent ones in the rewards, nor the repeatable, because those are too variable between players. We are also assuming someone bought everything along the way. So the calculations are the worst case scenario, but the most accurate comparison to the previous scoreboard we had in S15 and earlier.
@jamesphillips3135
4 ай бұрын
I like it, I haven’t had a good game come out that I love in so long and 76 fills the void. Simple don’t spend money and feed the system, most people I seen complaining are the ones that spend the most. I almost said except for long dark and project zombiod but those are way over a decade old
@Gamer_Aviator
4 ай бұрын
Have you played Cyberpunk 2077? I find it to be very satisfying.
@tjpatton8562
4 ай бұрын
10 dollars worth of tickets to buy 1 dollar of atoms is both criminal and hilarious. How could anyone at Bethesda think hiring someone from EA to manage monetization would be a good idea for a developer with an already struggling reputation?
@chuyg522
4 ай бұрын
Last season was my first season since the game came out.. when I saw the rewards I was like huh
@SOCCER_BUNNY
3 ай бұрын
We really are living in a digital zombie apocalypse now a days arnt we? Gaming used to be interesting and fun now it’s just a job that you pay to have not the other way around. Nice science gimmick as well my dad is starting a park ranger themed series on his channel soon. Really enjoyed the video
@Gamer_Aviator
3 ай бұрын
I worked in IT for 26 years, starting in the early days of the Internet back in the 90s. I now think that the Internet, for all the good that it has done, is mankind's worst invention. Social media in particular is terrible, but the misplaced values in the youth of today are going to cost us big in the future. I can't even begin to imagine how broken the world is going to be. Cakes and circuses! Glad you liked the video. We'll keep making them until they turn the lights off.
@whatif8741
4 ай бұрын
I started playing again 6 days ago compared to where it was at launch it's definitely better but there are many bugs still. Wish the dev's would put a bug/glitch ticket option with a description page for you to put what is wrong.
@Casey_HZD
4 ай бұрын
The math proves I was right to stop playing because I'd be grinding for longer for less prizes. Reduction in caps, lunchboxes, score boosters, banners, perk cards, modules and scrip isn't worth it anymore.
@JackDeanPictures
4 ай бұрын
Idk I feel like them adding an entire new map area + questline kinda justifies a more slim pass?
@PCGamingGoodies
4 ай бұрын
This is actually a good year for the game because for two seasons in a row we got story-based content, new NPCs, new locations, etc., the lack of which players had been complaining about -- because the previous story-based content was almost 3 years ago in Steel Reign. But alas, Bethesda giveth and taketh away, with the much more predatory monetization system. Expect atom store to continue to offer mostly recycled items, in order to force you to grind that silly season board to get new items.
@mimirhermestrismegistus4585
4 ай бұрын
The time and effort of math and science you put into explanation. Bethesda hired people to do more math and science to fuck us over. Thanks for showing how it is done 😂
@Gamer_Aviator
4 ай бұрын
You're welcome! Thanks for taking the time to comment!
@B-Eazy999
4 ай бұрын
I play a lot normally but will be sitting out this season and the main reason is season rewards and the fact you can’t buy extra modules at 150 like last season killed my motivation before I even started, well that and the generic season rewards for 17
@lisa80631
4 ай бұрын
I had no idea how horrible the new season was until I watched this video! I'll still play the game, but I won't have my hopes up if I get to rank 150. Thank you for your time and research in calculating all that you did and explaining it so well, like last season. 😊 😮 💗
@SGT_RPGames
4 ай бұрын
Thanks for the work. I wish I could afford to throw a few caps your way this month
@Gamer_Aviator
3 ай бұрын
We will always accept some caps, but love and gratitude also. At your leisure and ability. Thank you for watching and for the support. love, Noodle
@REDREX7707
2 ай бұрын
I hope they bring the seson 16 stuff as a catchup because i totaly missed that season and now i want it
@Gamer_Aviator
2 ай бұрын
some of that stuff will definitely come back around in the Atomic Shop.
@Kid47483
4 ай бұрын
They're "tweaking" the seasons as they go.. Since it was the first season they'll need more players data to "justify" the tweaks. 😅
@lolwtfldr3
4 ай бұрын
Great breakdown for people that like to spend additional $ on season rewards!
@NL-Chaos
4 ай бұрын
I wish you guys did this for destiny 2 and warframe as well 😅 would be awesome to see if those are worth the grind or not.
@Gamer_Aviator
4 ай бұрын
If only there were more hours in the day. Would love to run other game channels. -Noodle
@NL-Chaos
4 ай бұрын
@Gamer_Aviator How much time does making this episode take ?(really a question). There is a way though, you just have to make sure your on a plane flying around the world. Think about what is possible, not what ain't possible xD. Even if something fails 9/ 10 times, you only need to successfully do it once.
@Gamer_Aviator
4 ай бұрын
@@NL-Chaos We spend most of our waking time making content :D -Noodle
@liminose
4 ай бұрын
Think you might have missed a variable in your time to complete calculations. We are getting at least 2 double score weekends and a double xp weekend. That's 12 days, almost two weeks you can get twice as much score as normal. Thus potentionally cutting off almost two weeks from your completetion time, as long as you use them right (save your weekly challenges til Thursday, one double score this weekend)
@Gamer_Aviator
4 ай бұрын
Good point. Thanks for bringing that up. We will include that for S18.
@doughknow
4 ай бұрын
Weekly challenges do not double on double score weekend, only dailys. So it was written, so it is done.
@doughknow
4 ай бұрын
Weeklys do not double on double score week, only dailys.@@Gamer_Aviator
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