As an Australian. It's highly offensive to not refer to our currency as dollary-doos
@thepoorhammerpodcast
Жыл бұрын
I was beating myself up when reviewing the episode for missing this. It won't happen again, I swear.
@uncabob214
Жыл бұрын
@@thepoorhammerpodcast Also a missed opportunity to call it rainbow monopoly money.
@soffren
Жыл бұрын
@@uncabob214that's Canadian Dollars lol
@RingStudios
Жыл бұрын
I’m too used to Bluey making it Dollar Bucks
@socialdeviant13
Жыл бұрын
@@RingStudiosI'm not Australian, but that's what my kids call it, too!
@petararmbruster5039
Жыл бұрын
as a custodes player, considering half our range is forgeworld, thanks for giving us more wins than a tournament without eldar
@captaincorundum9788
Жыл бұрын
*laughs in recast*
@pablobro5944
Жыл бұрын
Just buy recasts, you can get a model that's forge world quality or even better for three times less
@Epsilvonic
Жыл бұрын
@@pablobro5944Not a Custodes player but I got a friend who is, any good recasters you’d recommend?
@dontgetmarried
Жыл бұрын
You're a true Chad for not using recasts. The Emperor Protects!
@coh2conscript851
Жыл бұрын
@@dontgetmarriedimagine buying forgworld models
@notarealfirstnamenotareall746
Жыл бұрын
My wallet broke before the guard did.
@rklkify
Жыл бұрын
bought all my guard cheap 2nd hand but still NIB so my wallet isn't as broken
@notarealfirstnamenotareall746
Жыл бұрын
@@rklkify On a side note guard can be absurdly cheap if someone is fine with you playing green army men. They come with all kinds of funny poses and weapons you can use to denote special load outs, like the mortar ones are now a basilisk. And styrofoam fruit with a toothpick is now your "Lemon Russ". Go ahead and sharpie which model type it is on top. A plastic knife is your Bane'blade'. Really any army can be fully built for less than $50 if you only care about the game and not about the models. And the terrain is built out of some tape and the cardboard from the Amazon boxes your fake models came in.
@Skykid3307
6 ай бұрын
Looks at Baneblade Sees price Despite being a guard unit, it has a 2.5 USD to Points at MSRP. Now wants to save over 100 bucks for it even if I never play Edit, actually It's closer to 3.2, so my point is even better
@lemonisoursquid6101
6 ай бұрын
@@Skykid3307 I bought it, didn't have a fun time building the tracks but the rest of the kit went together fine enough. The box comes with enough sprues to build a baneblade *and* one of the turretless variants...except for the tracks and lower hull plates. It's probably only at that point per dollar value under the assumption that you're going to magnetize it because holy shit that is alot of wasted plastic. I threw all four of the sponsons and lascannon turrets that the kit comes with on my baneblade for shits and giggles even though you are technically only allowed to have two, because why not, but since noone in my house is interested in warhammer tabletop I ended up chucking everything else since I don't have a use for terrain pieces lmao At least it looks cool when built.
@Skykid3307
6 ай бұрын
@lemonisoursquid6101 Can, you explain what you mean by magnetize?
@JachymorDota
Жыл бұрын
Imagine If 40k Had a unified pricing scheme per unit type and Not bases on a mixture of astronomy, tea leaves reading and coke snorting.
@PeachDragon_
Жыл бұрын
Imagine if this plastic was priced like plastic rather than high grade heroin
@JachymorDota
Жыл бұрын
@@PeachDragon_ Of course, one needs to pay artists, designer, writers and such, but the difference between something like Perry Miniatures and GW is excessive. Plus, if you buy GW, you also pay the shareholders.
@Bluecho4
Жыл бұрын
Yes, but that would make it easy for customers to make informed financial decisions. And GW can't have that. The customer needs to be perpetually bewildered and confused, so they give up and pay whatever the company asks. It's the "triple A video game comes out with 6 separate editions, that you need a chart to figure out what they contain" of the miniatures world.
@JachymorDota
Жыл бұрын
@@Bluecho4 precisely!
@Calvin_Coolage
Жыл бұрын
@@PeachDragon_If they did that, a box of Intercessors would be 10 dollars because GW uses shitty plastic.
@FallNine
Жыл бұрын
One of the most chaos lord things said on this podcast: "I shackled some patrons to a desk and forced them to work after they paid us to do it."
@ChumblesMumbles
Жыл бұрын
The bastards paid them in exposure! That's Slaanesh levels of perversion!
@theotv5522
Жыл бұрын
Internships in a nutshell
@ericlee1624
Жыл бұрын
Brad has mentioned an affinity for Tzeentch....
@____________838
Жыл бұрын
Tbh, that sounds like something both Chaos and the Imperium would do…
@TheCa006
Жыл бұрын
@@theotv5522You paid for your internship ?
@vilidious
Жыл бұрын
So the take-away is that optimal entry-level orc army is to take three Stompas and something on the side to make it legal.
@hammdogporkington3058
Жыл бұрын
Two Stompaz, six Killa Kanz, and two Meks 1990 points right there
@Johnnyjester333
Жыл бұрын
@@hammdogporkington3058 don't you need a Warlord? Is one of these Warlord-able?
@yokingcactus2081
Жыл бұрын
@@Johnnyjester333meks can be warlords
@Johnnyjester333
Жыл бұрын
@@yokingcactus2081 Thanks mate! Too unfamiliar with Orks, that'll teach me!
@IapitusMcHeimer
Жыл бұрын
Based
@klocks2543
Жыл бұрын
This might be one of your best episodes. GWs marketing department probably hates you but this is the closest thing to a consumer report they’ve ever had pointing out the reality of some of their ridiculouslness.
@japhettheprophet4619
Жыл бұрын
As a World Eaters player, when seeing the reveals and seeing that they didn’t give us red butchers, I just thought “oh well they’ll be there own unit” in 10th they no longer exist cause they were a strat upgrade, the models themselves only exist on FW, and even then I can’t run them because they are Horus heresy exclusive. So instead I got a revamp to berserkers, cultists, and a bunch of “super possesed” that are less mutated by 8 whole ass daemons than regular possessed with 1 daemon
@thepoorhammerpodcast
Жыл бұрын
The Eightbound will never not annoy me from a lore/logic standpoint.
@HuggieMyPampers
Жыл бұрын
@@thepoorhammerpodcastthey’re literally wrathmongers from AoS. They just copy/pasted AoS and stapled it to the 40K homework
@jellydamgood
Жыл бұрын
Can see your point, but WE definitely needs something else in addition to their already very few unique units. It's still nonsense there's no red butchers or jugg riders though, should have prioritised those over 8b. That said the 8b looks great, Big Bois with Big melee weapons. That's all that matters, tons of stupid lore all over the place anyway, why whinge on World Eaters specifically?
@darko-man8549
Жыл бұрын
The splitting the chaos codex has ruined the TKsons and WE imo. WE more so. Just arbitrarily khorne warriors have forgotten how jump packs and bikes work for no reason. GW want to milk chaos players to invest more. But themselves don’t want to invest in the chaos armies.
@icycoatl3185
Жыл бұрын
The daemons are too busy fighting over the controls to do as much remodeling.
@CourtneyVarner
Жыл бұрын
My decision to start an AdMech army when I got into 40K is not making me feel too good.
@chadsauls4210
10 ай бұрын
same i started a year ago and am still not at 2k points
@EnigmaEnginseer
9 ай бұрын
Same
@TenseTree16560
9 ай бұрын
Same here :(
@alexmartin3191
8 ай бұрын
Same here, and that is why I decided start a custodes army as well.
@jimriggs5988
8 ай бұрын
And here I am wanting a meme pure infantry guard
@j2ehyp
Жыл бұрын
I really don't get how Leagues of Votann can be the most expensive army. Aren't they like, half the size of the Harlequins, data sheet wise? And they're not even an army anymore!
@Narago.
Жыл бұрын
This hurts so much. I was really hyped for my smoll bois. 🙄
@tomdeneen4880
Жыл бұрын
It's because the votann are a very Mechanized army that runs a lot of terminators
@thequestbro
Жыл бұрын
Because while their list of datasheets is small, they need a lot of individual models on the table to hit 2k points. They were also pretty elite, but they got their points chopped in the latest dataslate so you need to buy more. Their models are also admech expensive.
@quendi5557
Жыл бұрын
In our defence dwarves are greedy
@kevoreilly6557
Жыл бұрын
and they just dropped points by 30%!,
@midnightflare9879
Жыл бұрын
Sisters have one saving grace: many of their characters are just infantry with more fancy stuff strapped to their armor. So sister characters are super easy to kitbash.
@cousinzeke4888
Жыл бұрын
One novitiate kill team can make every non-named character we've got. It's such an absurd value I'm amazed GW hasn't axed it.
@tikiwiki7428
Жыл бұрын
same with gsc easy to kitbash im positive if we were using previous points sisters and gsc would swap places cause gsc went up A LOT and sisters are dirt cheap rn
@CarbonBasedRainForm
Жыл бұрын
on the flip side the sisters characters include a number of the best looking models GW has ever made
@Liinuli.
11 ай бұрын
Funny how Sisters is the second most expensive army. Yet it's the only army in the list that got significantly cheaper with new units. 10 sisters costs 50 euros nowadays. They cost 85 when they were metal. If sisters were still metal, they would make Admech look like Custodes.
@krkngd-wn6xj
9 ай бұрын
Same with GSC. I'd argue it's even better for us, cause SoB have monopose models at least in the value boxes, but GSC gives you full neophyte kits with a ton of extra bits. We even get extra bodies from the back of the truck.
@hendrikrasmus
Жыл бұрын
I like how Custodes and Votan full ranges cost the same but one gets almost 2x the points
@victordavila9812
Жыл бұрын
When I first started I was trying to decide between those two and finally I picked custodes best financial decision in the end 😂
@theotv5522
Жыл бұрын
The game is balanced by the marketing team
@Bluecho4
9 ай бұрын
The infuriating thing is, Votann were obviously _intended_ to sit more towards the Custodes end of the elite range, when they first launched. What with 9th ed's Grudge Tokens mechanic being so powerful. Unfortunately, it became too powerful, the army had to be nerfed, then points dropped to compensate. So suddenly an army clearly meant to be heavily armed and armored were instead a pseudo horde army.
@MGPW
Жыл бұрын
Weird little note: in Australia, Forgeworld used to work out cheaper than GW for Space Marine/IG armies, due to having kits that made "the base troops and stuff" that you needed as well as their specialist things, and having universal pricing regardless of where you buy. That universal price was lower than local GW prices in Australia.
@tame_stranger9713
Жыл бұрын
That's truly frightening.
@resonancesd6340
11 ай бұрын
Now we just 3D print!
@soupcake3092
10 ай бұрын
I used this trick to get skitarii cheaper too.
@BrotherVoidBomber
Жыл бұрын
I see a excel document in the first minute this is going to be great. Also it's so fitting lore wise that the thousand son is massive data nerd.
@itcho_boy_rob3064
Жыл бұрын
One of my best friends is an Ork player and he wanted a Stompa. He isn't into model making and I warned him that Stompas are not even competitive at all. I love model making and I told him if he bought a Stompa, I'd put it together for him. It was honestly not that bad and actually kinda fun to make. And playing against him when he runs his stompa is a ton of fun! Lots of cinematic moments 😁
@peterniles8984
11 ай бұрын
Orks may have 50 datasheets, but we have the most models; every vehicle is an ork vehicle that just hasn't been looted yet
@ScooterinAB
Ай бұрын
Every model becomes an Ork or a Chaos model.
@candle_eatist
5 күн бұрын
Although they may not have their own datasheets, all space marine models eventually become Blood Ravens models after enough time has passed
@ScooterinAB
3 күн бұрын
@@candle_eatist I thought they become Chaos Marines.
@alanpreston1822
Жыл бұрын
If there was ever a video, stl, whatever that GW never wanted to see the light of day, it would be this episode. I know you guys tend to shy away from printed Warhammer, but I would love to cost compare this.
@thepoorhammerpodcast
Жыл бұрын
I worry GW is going to watch it and have the takeaway be "We should really charge more for Grey Knights and Custodes."
@GuardianM25
Жыл бұрын
@thepoorhammerpodcast That seems unfortunately likely, they always take the wrong lessons from everything. I was missing a sprue from a set, so they sent the same set with the same missing sprue. 'Fixing' the problem without addressing the issue in any way shape or form. I'll just 3D print what I'm missing. But I get the feeling they'll add like 3 models to a box and add $60 to the lower ones you've highlighted
@burnout800
Жыл бұрын
I think printed Vs retail plastic is a really good metric to look at. I recently printed a GSC army which cost me about £100-£120 (I bought quality stls for nearly every model which was £75 of the cost). If I had bought the equivalent through a retailer who offers 20% off retail value it would've cost me £560 and that's if the models had all been available (they weren't) and if I had managed to eBay the primus models that you seem only able to buy in a pack. Printed also means being able to print different load outs as things change and even do digital kitbashes. This is probably the most money I've ever spent printing an army but it's already 5 times cheaper than the alternative and gives good flexibility.
@basstedson
11 ай бұрын
@@JanitorScruffyI emailed mantic a few weeks back to tell them I was missing a dude from my Brokkr booster set I bought on Amazon. They asked for a photo of back of the box with the dude circled then sent me one out, no fee at all including postage.
Its sad cause I legit just started 40K and started with Sisters after having finished my first AoS army. I still will build Sisters, cause I love them as lore and design and their models. But damn, 10th is not so nice for Sisters it seems so far lmao
@kevoreilly6557
Жыл бұрын
And loaded dice
@theotv5522
Жыл бұрын
Being new to the hobby, when I was browsing through the armies, when I see SIsters I immediately go "Nope I can't paint those" and their pricing only confirms my decision.
@vurtruvious5280
Жыл бұрын
@@theblueflamerl 100% try to buy secondhand, many local game stores have like a model adoption section where you can buy models for up to like 75% off. My local has like 6 imperial knights all selling for 60$ each and theyre all fully painted/based
@SquidGangRiseUp
Жыл бұрын
Tau are in a similar case to Votann where they're supposed to be a more elite army, but recently got absolutely bent by points cuts. They're practically a hoard after the recent dataslate; my old 2k point list isn't even worth 1700 right now
@jorgemontero6384
Жыл бұрын
Hey, it used to be worse in some ways in 9th, where the combat patrol had basically nothing you'd play in a competitive list! Now everything is usable, and the best value per dollar of indivudual boxes is something you probably want to buy 4 times. But either way, the codex is coming in under a year, so it's not necessarily the time to buy regardless
@theStamax
Жыл бұрын
Yeah hope we get actual detachments in the codex so the points can go back up again
@gregsmw
Жыл бұрын
my 8th ed codex admech army was 2100 pts its now 1400
@theStamax
Жыл бұрын
@@gregsmw yikes that sucks. I hope the codex will make their units better so you can go back to a more thematic (and affordable) amount of units. Unfortunately, odds are that admech's codex was almost finished before the edition and a lot of the bad datasheets will probably stay bad :/. There's a hope at least the detachments will be better to somewhat make up for that though.
@reginadea2821
9 ай бұрын
It's the same for the eldar. It's quite insane.
@astral_ragtime5365
Жыл бұрын
This Tau episode only encouraged me to use more Gundam to proxy for Tau. $18 for an HG to proxy for a Riptide, $40 MG for a Ghostkeel, and $21-25 for three Artifact kits to proxy for Crisis Suits. Plus the plastic is better.
@astral_ragtime5365
Жыл бұрын
If you're looking at MGs for reasonable prices that hit the right size: MG MK-II 2.0 TITANS, MG Hizack, MG GM Ground Type/GM 2.0, MG AGE-1 Normal should all be around the appropriate size for a reasonable price. Check the clearance section in your local Barnes and Nobles, you can get some good stuff for way WAY less.
@marcosayase
Жыл бұрын
Wow as a Gunpla builder I never though I could proxy with Gundam, could you do something with gundam artifacts too?
@astral_ragtime5365
Жыл бұрын
@@marcosayase yes, that 1:400 scale is just about the right size for a Crisis Suit. Stealth Suit you might have trouble proxying.
@astral_ragtime5365
Жыл бұрын
@@murphy7801 then this does not apply to you
@DarkCT
Жыл бұрын
I've always been eyeing gundam kits for that purpose if i ever thought to take a plunge. but yes, no doubt in my mind, especially after that pricing. for further proxies, you could probably work some gue'vesa somehow using one of those companies out there doing space army humans...
@mitchellwarren73
Жыл бұрын
I have been clickbaited, but I am ready for the data
@SockimusPrime
Жыл бұрын
I am not surprised sisters is 2nd most expensive. We've had massive point drops. There was a post just a few weeks ago on reddit, where the poster's wife had around 3000 points worth of sisters in 9th edition. When 10th dropped, she had to field nearly her entire collection just to make a 2000 point list. After the fall points update, she can't even make a full list. It's nuts.
@Nutellafuerst
Жыл бұрын
i gotta say tho, who on earth buys from GW. I recently bought 810 points on sale from a british shop for 320 euros. had to pay like 60 more euros in customs though...bloody brexit idiots
@Kibernizzle
Жыл бұрын
Being new to Warhammer, your podcast is absolutely invaluable. I really appreciate all the work that goes into these episodes. The video editing also deserves a mention for being top notch!
@theotv5522
Жыл бұрын
I like this podcast as well, simply because they're the only channel that openly and honestly criticises GW on all their antics. Everyone else seems to suffer from customer/brand loyalty when it comes to GW for some reasons.
@SnowFoxWithAGasMask
Жыл бұрын
*Cries in genestealer cults*
@keyanklupacs6333
Жыл бұрын
Thankfully you have an amazing combat patrol.
@SnowFoxWithAGasMask
Жыл бұрын
@@keyanklupacs6333 Yep without that combat patrol I would not have even thought about playing the army
@theotv5522
Жыл бұрын
Genestealer players have my full respect because painting them is basically BDSM with extra steps. And luckily I don't hate myself that much yet.
@puracy3452
Жыл бұрын
To be honest, did anyone ever buy a seperate box of neophytes? 😅
@caveychip7510
Жыл бұрын
Also cries in mechanicanicus And league's of votann Why are these 2 of my favourite factions so expensive
@v02max75
9 ай бұрын
I'm so happy you guys brought up the fact that old marines have no torso's. I have had wild arguments with people that somehow think they look proportional, it's like...no, not even close. They are CLEARLY missing 15% of their body size. As a GK player who has yet to build the army, this truly hits home. I CANNOT, in any good faith, build that army without kitbashing the piss out of it so that these guys look decent
@Trazyn_The_Finite
7 ай бұрын
Yeah, I was happy to hear them talk about it as well, I love the old armor MKs, but I’ve had to do so much conversion witchcraft to primaris marines to have firstborn marines with remotely normal proportions
@warclericwill4
Жыл бұрын
This is exactly why getting into the hobby is such a dreadful thing for new people like myself. And those prices keep going up! Thank you gw now I “definitely” won’t be getting into it.
@stevecatpatrick8056
Жыл бұрын
Buy second hand, print, proxy with third party, etc. I have 4600 points of orks for like 500USD.
@Rawilow
2 ай бұрын
@@stevecatpatrick8056pretty much the only way.
@cable1153
Жыл бұрын
I would love to see something like auspex tactics video where you go over the best 2k points list for every faction.
@joelkurowski7129
Жыл бұрын
10:55 what must have made crunching this information more difficult, is the fact that the Space Marine lineup keeps changing. They just lost a ton of datasheets for the second time in a month. Trying to collect every single SM unit just got marginally easier 😅
@greg_mca
Жыл бұрын
Add to that that several kits come in the same box and you can choose which to make, the price of getting every unit is technically even lower. Using this principle a land raider crusader/redeemer costs the same as a rhino, because you can just swap the sponsons with blutack each game and technically get both for the price of 1. Similarly any land raider and a whirlwind can be combined to make a razorback, any gladiator can be any other, tactical squads can buddy up to be devastators, and so on
@DJROCKSTAZ
Жыл бұрын
All those data sheets lost and it only got MARGINALLY easier?! Dear lord… that is a LOT of datasheets
@airraid1266
Жыл бұрын
@@DJROCKSTAZunfortunately the ones that left werent the overpriced kits (by GW standards)!
@matthewstudinski2389
Жыл бұрын
Primaris Crusaders only come 10 models per box. They are only 2.3 points/dollar (140 points/$60).
@paint4pain
Жыл бұрын
The most point for dolar in space marines is probably a box of devastators 200pts for 60$ 3.33pts/$
@Amberpawn
Жыл бұрын
This would be a GREAT format to do for AoS as a companion to the Introduction to AoS and Intro to AoS Factions video.
@jamesjjameson1632
Жыл бұрын
As a guy who's been building guard, the points to dollar ratio is the exact reason that I bought a Baneblade and will be using it in every game I play Also, because it's badass
@lelandmartin3970
Жыл бұрын
one reason why im getting soldiers from wargames atlantic to proxy as my chaff infantry.Not quite as much variety in posing but a box of 30 infantry that costs less than a box of cadians which builds 10 models is a god send for infantry. less weapon options as well but im happy with plasma and flamers for my soldiers and using the lmgs as auto guns for the sgts. technically the box only says 24 but if you don't mind a lot of crouching guys it's actually 30. Infantry are not the way to go for 10th edition but i didn't plan on making an imperial guard equivelant of starship troopers it just kind of happened. Even if my army is going to be a bottom tier list because i have valkeries and guardsman rather than tons of tanks, it's my army.
@gotmilk2123
Жыл бұрын
I cannot recommend going the opposite way. I collect death korps. I have 3 20 man blobs of them with command squads to match. Granted all my resin is recast, but the kriegers are the killteam veterans set.
@theotv5522
Жыл бұрын
@@lelandmartin3970 Oh yeah totally.
@desertwynd30
Жыл бұрын
And big
@shutiro6898
Жыл бұрын
I love seeing the tyranofex as best value, but not like this
@DoctorCataclysm
Жыл бұрын
It breaks my heart. I recently heard that Harlequins were a playable faction and I got excited to play. I'm a big fan of the lore and have read most of the BL novels but have never played. Now the Killer Clowns are veritably dead in the water.
@cousinzeke4888
Жыл бұрын
Find a friend to play 9th with.
@utarefson9
Жыл бұрын
What's your issue with them? I recently had my first game against them (10th, pre september balance update) and by turn 2 over half my army was dead (having played necron silvertide, a list build for durability). They certainly are playable.
@mouthwide0pen
Жыл бұрын
@@utarefson9they're stripped of all their harlequinning because theyre just datasheets with no associated rules
@boyanpenev9822
Жыл бұрын
@@utarefson9 No separate book and, in 10th, nospecial rules. They are pretty much back to their 4E version of "unit in the eldar codex" except now you have a few units. They had more "units" in their 1988 box.
@jakejohnson9552
Жыл бұрын
Still amazed that leagues of votan were the most expensive
@krankarvolund7771
8 ай бұрын
"The tanks are holding the guard" Well, that's also what they do in lore so it checks out XD
@bluedotdinosaur
10 ай бұрын
When I walked into a local game store a few months ago and found a Custodes "Watchers of the Gate" battleforce box still there, AND ON CLEARANCE, I felt like I'd won the fucken lottery. At the rate things are going it may be the best deal on 40k plastic I get for the rest of my life.
@victordavila9812
Жыл бұрын
Now let's calculate how much cocaine per miniature would you be able to buy
@lullabygully4621
Жыл бұрын
Well where im at a gram goes for $75-$80 so almost a Start Collecting box. Its hilarious that being a drug addict is cheaper than being a 40k player
@DDPMonster
Жыл бұрын
At current, you can make Tyranids work for $500. You buy 3x $60 Hive Tyrants, and make a winged, walking, and swarmlord. Then 3x $60 Tyranofex. Then buy the $110 40k starter set which gives you, 2x10 Termagaunts, 2x1 Ripper Swarm, 1x3 Von Ryans Leapers, 1x1 Psycophage, and 1x1 Winged Tyranid Prime. That brings you to $490 and 1875 points before enhancements. Alien Cunning, Perfectly Adapted and Adaptive Biology on your characters in the Invasion Fleet brings the total to 1945 points for $490 MSRP + some random space marines. Edit: Spelling
@brent8491
Жыл бұрын
As a Battletech player, this video blew my mind. You can pick up an A Game of Armored Combat starter box for less than $50 and have a 4K BV match going immediately. I looked into Warhammer mostly for some new models to paint because you can only paint a stompy robot so many ways, but AdMech and T'au were the factions that interested me and very quickly I decided against it.
@smokejaguar986
Жыл бұрын
Hell you can pay $20 for the beginner box for Battletch and have a couple of models and some card board cut outs and play right away! GW are mustache twirling villains.
@brent8491
Жыл бұрын
This is true, but in the context of the video having two players worth of minis to do a 4K BV battle in one box for about one third of a combat patrol box is a staggering disparity
@theotv5522
Жыл бұрын
@@smokejaguar986 And not to mention GW also goes around striking fan-made contents with DMCA as if they need more money. They are actual villains.
@drewbakka5265
Жыл бұрын
every day I look at my 3d printer and thank god. I have printed 3 armys off it and the thing only cost 300$. also a lot of mordheim warbands. 67 cents per point is bonkers
@17raysplays29
Жыл бұрын
Y'all are way too mean to Cadia! 😠They're like, the 5th coolest Imperial Guard regiment represented on tabletop right now!!!
@SlyBlueDemon
Жыл бұрын
I was planning on World Eaters being my first faction when it was announced they were coming out end of 9th but they need more units. In the book, they talk about stealthy World Eaters and that sounds so cool, really wanted them to have at least some shooty normal legionnaire with guns or something.
@EnchanterAntlee
Жыл бұрын
Happy to have helped with the data (and happy to hear Brad actually say something nice about my Elves for once!! 😂😂😂)
@dtheraider4336
Жыл бұрын
When they covered admech's best and worst dollars to points model made me initially think"wow all the stuff being thrown into current lists are there" and then when he covered how many are 1:1 I now know how bad my army actually is...
@PzOwNeD
Жыл бұрын
50:30 so you're telling me that i should buy the combat patrol to supplement my 4 leman russes that teenager me bought so many years ago...
@pablohalcon
Жыл бұрын
Thanks fellas. I'm trying to get back in after a 20 year hiatus.
@Zabzim
Жыл бұрын
The venerable contempter dreadnought is on the website it just on the Horus Heresy side of things, it’s the surprise surprise called a contempter dreadnought since 10,000 years ago they were abundantly more common. Edit: This is probably why you rated the rhino as being so expensive, as the Horus Heresy model which is completely fine all chaos and custody lists is a good $10 cheaper.
@ADP057
Жыл бұрын
As a Black Templar player, it makes me so happy that our existence causes you such pain
@aristotle29
Жыл бұрын
Thank you guys for making this video. This has saved me so much money because now I know to never get into this game. a 3d printer, free STLs, and One Page Rules looks like the future of war gaming.
@dcruize
Жыл бұрын
3rd party shops like Wayland Games undercut GW by 20% plus you can pick up much cheaper still on ebay. It's not as horrific as this video implies.
@aristotle29
Жыл бұрын
@dcruize I can get a resin 3d printer for about $500, with resin. There are countless free stls out there. One page rules is free. So, for an investment of $500, I can build whatever army I want and can even play games like star wars legion or shatterpoint, and I can 3d other things that I may want. I don't think that 20% cheaper than GW or ebay minis can compare to that.
@dcruize
Жыл бұрын
@@aristotle29 I've picked up 1k of GSC this month new on sprue (except one well painted neophyte squad+Locus) for just under £100 from eBay, so it's not too expensive. Don't really care about non-GW games as there's zero chance I'll ever meet anyone who plays anything but GW tabletop games. I'm a member of the Warhammer 3d printer Facebook group and what I've seen there just puts me off 3d printing until it just works out of the box and doesn't stink.
@aristotle29
Жыл бұрын
@dcruize so you got a crazy deal that totally sounds made up? Good for you. But that is rare, to say the least. Just because you only play Warhammer doesn't mean that other people can't play other things. Also, if the minis were dirt cheap to make, it wouldn't be that hard to make a spare army for another person to play a new game. Again, seeing the price tag of any of these games is enough to drive anyone away. Did painting minis work for you right out of the box? Sounds like it's something that you have to practice with and put some work in to get better at. Just like every other skill in the world.
@GunterXyax
Жыл бұрын
A lot of cut corners make these results difficult to swallow... no value boxes, no common hobby hacks... no wonder the results were so strange. Even banning Forgeworld - if a faction needs Forgeworld then that should be considered when talking costs. Fun video though
@IronWarriorBarrak
Жыл бұрын
Good old plastic crack. Even more expensive than real crack funnily enough. Plus god forbid Games Workshop lowers the prices for these tiny men
@Running_in_spite
Жыл бұрын
I don't know anything about Warhammer 40K but this video showed up in my recommended. I watched the whole thing and haven't ever been this interested in something I know nothing about
@elroyscout
7 ай бұрын
This episode reminds me why I am VERY glad I switched over to Battletech.
@SleepySlann
Жыл бұрын
One fun thing to note is kit versatility. Take knights for example, it is almost impossible to make a bad purchase for that army. one questoris kit, with a handful of magnets, can make 7 different data-sheets, that can be changed on the fly, as you experiment with army building. The only other model who can match that is probably the russ.
@HadrosaurHero
Жыл бұрын
I would be very interested if you used this data to design the ideal (for you guys) combat patrols for each army with a skew towards getting the units that are worse for your dollar in them. A mix of the balance between getting the iconic units and getting the most value for starting/expanding the army.
@RozanovaHunter
Жыл бұрын
"Giving an army some love" is a monkey paw wish, though. Look at GSC, Sisters, AdMech, the new Flayed Ones kit or the new Hormagaunt kit. If you want every faction to be 1 point per USD or worse, the fastest way to get there is to have GW make new models for that faction.
@Manchu8169
Жыл бұрын
it would be interesting to see a cost breakdown of the tournament winners' armies (pay to win?)
@TheAweDude1
Жыл бұрын
It would also be interesting to look at tournament winning armies, even from the past, and see how much it would cost to field a "competitive" army.
@krald8421
Жыл бұрын
You would think they would expand the guard range... Cadia has been gone for a while
@dudemcguy8949
Жыл бұрын
There’s a reason these guys (I think it was them, could’ve been another person) said that Krieg should become the face of IG. They’re probably the most popular regiment in the fandom, their design evokes the “unknown billions of the frontline” that guard is supposed to be. In lore, they’re probably putting out the most soldiers over any other planet. They definitely fit the WW1 style of the Guard more too, but they’ve definitely been pushing more towards WW2 with the Rogal Dorn.
@gotmilk2123
Жыл бұрын
Catachans and krieg need plastic command squads and hqs, and catachans need a similar killteam box to krieg.
@krald8421
Жыл бұрын
@@gotmilk2123 Valhallans need love too
@theotv5522
Жыл бұрын
As long as the Imperium fanboys keep yelling "The planet broke before the guard did" Cadia will be around.
@rakino4418
Жыл бұрын
Valhallans with a Commissar Cain character... come on
@Pyrykala
Жыл бұрын
Could some of the bad value of Death Guard come from the unfortunate fact that GW sells plague Marines in 7 and 3-model kits.
@Zorajit
Жыл бұрын
Don't know if you want episode idea, but would you consider: What datasheets *should* stay in Space Marines? I'd honestly be more interested in them as an army if they were culled back to a manageable size.
@gotmilk2123
Жыл бұрын
So i collect crimson fists and deathwatch. Marines become easy to collect once you start collecting around your subfactions' strengths. Even deathwatch want to commit to a unifying strategy.
@peterrustemeyer6228
Жыл бұрын
There's no way you need all the 25 year old stuff that is still in the book, and you also don't need all of the new stuff. Once you have like 2500 points of stuff that is currently fine in terms of strength, and then add a unit or two once in a while, you're fine.
@elgrun2913
Жыл бұрын
@@gotmilk2123I started Salamders so I don't even look at things that don't have flamers/meltas or aren't terminators, characters or battleline.
@arandomlostsoul753
Жыл бұрын
My guess is that Brad and Eric's answer will be "Primaris, Terminators, and Land Raiders stay, literally all the rest goes directly into the dumpster."
@GrugGangGrugGang
11 ай бұрын
@@arandomlostsoul753 "Sorry Lion, I know you finally woke up, but I'm gonna have to put you down unless you start calling your self a Primaris Primarch."
@TopHatHat
Жыл бұрын
Somewhere deep in the depths of the United Kingdom, past the horrors of “Slough” and “Croydon”, some GW boss is watching, giggling and writing a long list of price changes.
@_Xerota_
Жыл бұрын
The riptide is $115 USD? dang! It's only $94 AUD here in Australia, which I just checked, is like $60 USD.
@w0t3rdog
Жыл бұрын
Yeah... they are 840 SEK here (Sweden), which is about $75 USD. Still dont know why I would buy them though. Pointwise, they are about the same as a trio of crisis or a ghostkeel, but crisis got more dakka, and ghostkeel are better at flanking/holding objectives. What do riptides even do? Hell, had they atleast gotten anti, then I would have seen a use for them.. Tau really need some anti... like, soon, the memes about Tau not having melee will swap for Tau being unable to deal with armour.
@Naxthural
Ай бұрын
Holy shit, Leagues of Votaan is 1 point per 12 dollars? No wonder I never see anyone playing it!
@StephenZerbe10
Жыл бұрын
So for the Space Marine players that were like "Wait a moment Relic Terminators are going to Legends when the new codex drops!" the answer is Hellblasters are the highest PPD unit you can get multiple of.
@Speeds_Gaming_Corner
Жыл бұрын
"How many Crisis suits do you need to have a competitive list?" At least 12. Sometimes 18. Also for T'au, we have Kroot hounds which are (now) 30 points for 33.5 Dollars, or .89 points per model. But last edition they were 24 points. They were 0.71 points per dollar and you needed to buy 3 units of them.
@CanonessEllinor
Жыл бұрын
Being sororitas is suffering
@ThommBara
Жыл бұрын
Man, GW is just ruining this hobby. We're all being scammed out of our money and it just feels bad to engage this hobby at all nowadays.
@deathdynasty1628
Жыл бұрын
31:30 stop attacking my templars☹️
@thepoorhammerpodcast
Жыл бұрын
No.
@deathdynasty1628
Жыл бұрын
@@thepoorhammerpodcast aw man😢
@mrok356
Жыл бұрын
Question for the editor cuz I noticed that your avatar outline is different from the usual. Was that the issue that made you render that one video ages?
@thepoorhammerpodcast
Жыл бұрын
Copy pasting from another comment: To explain: Our normal glow effect would make this hour and some change long video take approximately 5 hours to render. This test was 1 hour to render. We're currently trying to find the best way to keep the glow quality as high as possible while removing the insane calculation time it added to every render. It gets exponentially worse when we add a third person to the episode, which is occasionally very relevant to get a video out on time. We're hoping to get a version that has the rendering benefit but without any noticeable change in the glow, I'm betting the REAL answer will be to fill in that gap in my arm area and round out Eric's chaplain-scepter-thingy to hide the issue. I'm hoping a better solution is possible though.
@danielsalay3681
Жыл бұрын
As someone who just bought my first kit and it hasn't even arrived yet, this hurts. T'au is the only army that "spoke" to me I guess I'm going to have to be chasing deals to get into this hobby. Which honestly feels bad beyond the price itself part of what I'm looking forward too is the building and painting which means used means missing out on a significant chunk of that
@ILOVENYUU
5 ай бұрын
Absolutely proxy your suits with gunpla it'll save you so much money and you can pose the hell out of them
@hansyolo8277
Жыл бұрын
31:35 because BT can put a multi-melta on it. Instead of just saying "oh yeah, you can put a multi-melta on this thing" they had to come up with a whole new datasheet.
@GoodKondy
Жыл бұрын
It would be really interesting to see a breakdown of most cost efficient armies based off of common tournament lists, or maybe the average price of a tournament list for each army so you could get a sense of what it costs to be competitive vs just the cost of the whole line. Great job though.
@JoshBorlase
Жыл бұрын
@36:00 we are basically playing the Price is Right
@stankshop
Жыл бұрын
Love the channel, that opening track slaps! Would be nice to see that follow-up to the $500 army episode, but would really like to see you show a quick buy guide for all armies. Maybe start with the obvious combat patrol, then how you'd take all those armies to 1000pts, and then 2000pts. Could be a two part episode, first part 500-1000 pts, second part, 1000 pts-2k +
@JackDespero
Жыл бұрын
GW: Oh no if you use your 3d printer you are going to ruin us! Also GW: 20% of your army cannot be bought anymore. So good luck with ebay selling you the models at 10 times the price!
@ShockArcl1te
Жыл бұрын
The editing on these is only getting better and better.
@Axquirix
Жыл бұрын
Me, a Sisters player who was torn between Grey Knight and Drukhari and picked Grey Knights, feeling VERY happy right now. And also I started Necrons but like, now I have two cheap armies that I spray silver and dunk in dark tone dip wash, and the Sisters are for real hobby time. Cool.
@ethantaylor8517
Жыл бұрын
It's really discouraging as someone new to the hobby (6 months) that the faction that got me invested (admech) has priced me out completely. It's become a struggle to stay motivated when your faction is expensive and bad. Even third parties are expensive with their discounts.
@MeepChangeling
10 ай бұрын
A resin printer costs like 140 USD, and enough resin to print a 5000 point army will run you another 60 bucks. Thingiverse has everything you'll need. Go nuts!
@ScooterinAB
Ай бұрын
*takes a long drag of of his many editions long cigarette and feels the same way*
@Tekkaman76
Жыл бұрын
this was seriously one of the funniest and most entertaining 'cast I've listened to (and taking notes), you're doing the Administratum's work!
@Reinhard96
Жыл бұрын
I've never played and I already feel so defeated. The Omnissiah protects? I guess I'll be getting me a 3D printer...
@raistlarn
8 ай бұрын
Gotta love the Ork example for least points per dollar junkyard kit when the Stompa has one of the highest points/$ out of all GW kits. Shoulda used a Mek Gun as an example considering it has one of the most abysmal points/$ out of all GW kits.
@nicholasevans3994
Жыл бұрын
I know it's loads of effort for Eric, Brad, Berilio, and like all of the patrons, but I do enjoy these sort of number-crunchy episodes. Good show, chaps!
@derrickmcbride5922
Жыл бұрын
I was coerced into this because I'm not illiterate. Cool episode, the space marine stats are nuts btw
@panoptikum9768
Жыл бұрын
I have an Excel sheet for my Admech army and I currently own about 1800 points of Admech and paid about 450€ for it, so pretty much 4 points per Euro. However, I did buy 2nd hand (still in shrink, though) models and also never purchased something from the official GW store.
@Indriel_44
Жыл бұрын
So what's the point if we are talking only about buying original models straight from GW? You can buy every armie from 2nd hands or print them but admech will still be at the bottom
@panoptikum9768
Жыл бұрын
@@Indriel_44 I just wanted to put into perspective how much official GW prices differ from what you can actually get the modells for. 450€ (about 500$) is still a lot for 1800 points.
@Unknown-qj9sm
Жыл бұрын
You know actually I made one too for 30k Admech. Their points per dollar are pretty atrocious there. My worst that I could find was .62 points/ dollar on the tech thralls (their basic trooos in 30k). They have some really good deals on characters though since you can stack 500 weapons and upgrades on them for points. The best by far is the Archmagos Prime on Abeyent for 10.72 points/ dollar.
@panoptikum9768
Жыл бұрын
@@Unknown-qj9sm 30k has amazing Admech models, but they are so expensive and all from Forge World. I hope they make it to 40k/plastic some day.
@Unknown-qj9sm
Жыл бұрын
@@panoptikum9768 I’m hopeful. Their most recent roadmap for Horus Heresy said they had a new army range moving into plastic around the release of the Admech codex.
@benjackson8731
7 ай бұрын
you say you were surprised with tau, thats why the start collecting set was so good, i think i got three of them over time before it went away. the new one isn't too bad either. it be interesting to see how the maths gets shaken up by including start collecting/combat patrol sets
@BaronElBardo
Жыл бұрын
The question now is: ¿What is the cheapest list you can make in each faction?
@wodmarach
Жыл бұрын
Thats what the $500 challenge is for.
@Luness_
Жыл бұрын
I knew going into it that Sisters will be bad but I didn't expect it to be this abyssmal. And it doesn't even get that much better with value boxes included as the Sisters Combat Patrol is all monopose other than the Rhino, which is problamatic in and of itself. At least the Christmas Box and Boarding Patrol were ok value. But buying into Sisters without those boxes is a huge pain and you get rewarded with one of the weakest armies on the table currently. This army needs help in whatever form it can get.
@Deamonized11
Жыл бұрын
Sisters being not only one of the worst armies balance-wise but also in cost really stings. They're my favourite army but I really don't want to collect/play them in this state :')
@unheardtuna1998
Жыл бұрын
I am an Admech player. Welcome to my pain.
@theotv5522
Жыл бұрын
I don't play sister, but like Brad said, only idiots buy their armies off GW stores. Ever since I heard that, any 40k stuff I buy, I bought it off 3rd party sites. I suggest you do the same.
@DrDiHai
Жыл бұрын
I think the one thing that might really skew this is that you're not buying random boxes to make an army. Depending on the faction, you might get more or less troops, vehicles and characters relative to the available sets. I don't know in which direction that would shift though. You'd need to create a "typical" list for each faction I guess and calculate what it costs...
@Xxredeye215xx
Жыл бұрын
Best day of the week.
@Matthimeo
Жыл бұрын
Admech here, 3D printing proxies has saved my wallet. Only pay these prices for sculpts you wouldn’t want to do without.
@thomasfleming8131
Жыл бұрын
I feel like not just using the plastic contemptor for Custodes because its labeled for 30k isn't quite right but I suppose it makes little difference. Edit: Since you brought up Relic Terminators, if it is plastic, Forge World doesn't sell it. The kit is primarily for 30k, but it is a GW kit.
@GorgoniteDew
6 ай бұрын
As a beginner getting materials and things together for painting. No minis yet. This was informative and funny. I was leaning towards necrons, i love undead. Lol
@joshtucci468
Жыл бұрын
Space Wolves having a lot of datasheets makes total sense when you realise for a majority of there existence they’ve been there own army with all there own unique units…
@dyslexeon5900
Жыл бұрын
Seraphim/Zephyrim are at an abysmal 1.16 points per box right now. However, each kit builds both, so if you buy two Seraphim and one battle sisters box, you can build 10 of each and save 60$
@dyslexeon5900
Жыл бұрын
Also, only buy one set of Retributors. Have a buddy print you the cherubs, and build your Ret squad out of the Battle Sisters Box. Use the extra heavy flamers and spare meltas to kit bash multi meltas
@chrisbatchelor3759
Жыл бұрын
Wow wasn't expecting custodes to be the most expensive army to collect and ad mech the cheapest! Essential video to watch for everyone!!!!
@HugeAxeMan
Жыл бұрын
Doing those space marines was fun, so so SO many out of print boxes. There was a Lotta red on that spreadsheet.
@eltharynd
Жыл бұрын
I JUST NOTICED brad's white stroke is not a stroke but an image on the bottom scaled with audio and therefore when he talks it gets very very close to the staff and now I can't unsee it... sorry everybody
@thepoorhammerpodcast
Жыл бұрын
You're the first to notice in the comments so far. This is actually new this episode. I noticed it at like 40something minutes into reviewing the final cut. To explain: Our normal glow effect would make this hour and some change long video take approximately 5 hours to render. This test was 1 hour to render. We're currently trying to find the best way to keep the glow quality as high as possible while removing the insane calculation time it added to every render. It gets exponentially worse when we add a third person to the episode, which is occasionally very relevant to get a video out on time. We're hoping to get a version that has the rendering benefit but without any noticeable change in the glow, I'm betting the REAL answer will be to fill in that gap in my arm area and round out Eric's chaplain-scepter-thingy to hide the issue. I'm hoping a better solution is possible though.
@eltharynd
Жыл бұрын
@@thepoorhammerpodcast maybe you should hire me as a QA manager 😏
@TheVeeBeaT
9 ай бұрын
One day the stars will align and there will be enough datasets for Space Marines to be 40,000 points
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