I can't believe it took me this long to find an in-depth amazing explainer absolute beast of a fire mage guy. Thank you very much, no wonder i was doing 70k in 439 ilvl, I was opening with combustion right off the top. You've no idea how much i appreciate this!
@AnandSubramanyan
Жыл бұрын
coming back to fire mage after a long time, these guides were very well made and helped me a lot. forgy ur a god m8
@hamzah2535
Жыл бұрын
the best fire mage strikes again, thanks so much for the guide big man
@brkus2665
Жыл бұрын
Worst thing in 10.1.5 is that Frost and Fire hate each other's BiS stats. So good luck crafting gear.
@NamNguyen-jq1rr
Жыл бұрын
And arcane going crit/vers isn’t helpful either
@brkus2665
Жыл бұрын
Can you spend some time saying when should you cast Phoenix Flames outside of Combustion. After what spell should it be used. Like sometimes I have heating up and casting Fireball and at the end of that Fireball I would queue up Phoenix Flames and I would end again only with Heating Up meaning that Fireball hit (didn't crit) and then Phoenix Flames landed. Is this a range thing? I would usually just default back to only casting Phoenix Flames after instant cast Pyro but even than, sometimes Phoenix Flames is faster then Pyro and even though both did a crit I again only have heating up. Is there a "save" order of casting stuff so that irrelevant of range you don't eat procs?
@Forgyy
Жыл бұрын
If you're casting, you shouldnt PF unless you dont have a heating up while youre casting. But you really shouldnt be casting that much with this rotation tbh. With only 3-5 fireballs in 5mins, and most of those are with hot streak already active, just fishing for an extra crit chance with the fireball. As for PF and Pyro, if they both crit then you would have hot streak no matter which one lands first or your range from the boss m8. PF + Pyro is the same as Fireball, if 1 crits only you get heating up, if both crit you get hot streak
@queendarkness124
Жыл бұрын
thanks, it's very useful and i'm very confused now cuz XD
@Blo0zz
Жыл бұрын
Great guide my guy
@unseenllama5433
Жыл бұрын
just curious about the talents are you taking living bomb and convection just to get to firefall I never seen you press living bomb so do you just not worry about it?
@Forgyy
Жыл бұрын
yeah, living bomb itself is useless, its just to get to firefall
@Spibi
Жыл бұрын
Hey great great guide, i'll try the bridge pf's for sure sounds much more better gameplay indeed, but have a question why dont you sim with an apl with what you come up with and check the results, wouldnt that be a better way to compare the two variants of the same build ? Overall thanks for the cleaver use of the idea bridge pfs
@Forgyy
Жыл бұрын
Writing an APL like that would be really rough, the fire APL is quite complex currently and im not good enouigh at editting it. I can work with arcane and frost but the fire one is really hard to work on
@erikbeckman6136
Жыл бұрын
Is this rotation viable for M+ aoe pulls, or did that change?
@Forgyy
Жыл бұрын
This is mostly a ST rotation. For AoE, a good starting point is simply swapping out pyro for flamestrike, and using meteor on CD unless combustion is near. Use flamestrike on 3+ targets as filler. I'll make a part 4 focusing on aoe etc once i get to do some keys ^^
@hennytehhen123
Жыл бұрын
When you're bridging between SKBs, and going HU > PF > Pyro, do you wait to see if that pyro crits before doing anything else? Or do you go straight into FB
@Forgyy
Жыл бұрын
depends on your range from the boss what you do but generally you never want to wait for anything. You should be in GCD after that cast so unless ur super far from target it should land before you can cast. As a fire mage you typically wanna be playing within 20y of the boss or so if possible cuz of DB anyway
@Bbart77
Жыл бұрын
Could I ask about your stat weights? What's your current secondary stat structure? And what would you say for rune and flask - go with haste rune vers flask, or maybe use something else?
@Forgyy
Жыл бұрын
whatever sims best for your character, but haste vers stats, mostly haste. Haste rune and vers flask
@Bbart77
Жыл бұрын
yeah naturally, vers is still siming better than haste even though, but probably cause I'm on 39% flat. Thanks for the advice :)
@davidstirrat1370
Жыл бұрын
When trying to do your phoenix flames economy, I always find myself low on IB for my skbs, any tips ?
@Forgyy
Жыл бұрын
you are likely leaning into your fire blasts to generate your SKBs and instead making mistakes elsewhere. Id say between SKBs i almost never spend more than 1 fire blast unless im also shifting power-ing.
@hasany.9095
Жыл бұрын
Is this still up to date to hold PF if combust has less than 6 seconds to enter skb faster?
@Forgyy
Жыл бұрын
i go with 4 seconds now but yes. I mean you shouldnt be in that situation much at all tho tbh. I'd check the written guide on my discord and also any of my logs/vods on my stream recently. I destroyed rashok rank 1 this week using this playstyle and have rank 1 on several other bosses (and the other rank 1 mage is my friend who plays how i tell him to)
@queendarkness124
Жыл бұрын
i think it takes me a couple of months to be good at this rotation
@maxw565
Жыл бұрын
I kinda get the concept of your build/rotation as a whole, but fail to see the benefit of double pyroing. And well, i suck at it even after checking my spell queue. Is there any chance you can explain what the benefit of double pyro is and how much of a gain it is?
@Forgyy
Жыл бұрын
what do you mean double pyro-ing? are you referring to the scorch-fireblast-pyro-pyro? thats just basic fire. You can do Scorch Pyro Fire Blast Pyro You can do Fire Blast Pyro Scorch Pyro You can do Scorch Fire Blast Pyro Pyro theyre all the same. My playstyle doesnt have anything really to do with this specific combo. Its to do with managing PF and changing the prioritization of phoenix flame in combust to be much lower and instead weaving in more scorches instead in combust in order to get more SKBs faster once combusts finish and in the process casting much less fireballs.
@maxw565
Жыл бұрын
@@Forgyy I should add i havent played fire since legion and i don't remember doing it then. Yes that's what i was referring to! Using the scorch window etc etc. It feels similar to waiting for a fireball cast to finish before turning a HU into a HU and firing a pyro. But obviously its also different. For a start, when exactly is it useful? Only in combust? When crits are guaranteed in general? Only skb combust? I caught a bad case of newbie confusion
@Forgyy
Жыл бұрын
@@maxw565 Yeah scorching in combust (with any variation of what i said above) is just for combust, any combust. Its just the alternate to using fire blasts and phoenix flames because we want to manage how many we use of those. So if you dont want to use IB and u dnt wanna use PF then u have to use something, and that something is scorch. As you can tell, its a very common scenario to have PF and IB sitting and u cast scorch so that you can manage your stacks etc which is whole concept of the video/gameplay ^^
@maxw565
Жыл бұрын
@@Forgyy ah i understand! So basically, when you have to cast scorch anyway, and u have a IB free, you use it in such a way to double pyro. But you wouldn't double pyro over just regularly IB > pyro > IB > pyro etc as long as you have enough IBs or PF to keep going with instant casts. Thanks for the reply m8, these guides are fucking excellent btw. Frostmage coming too or does it lack depth to warrant guides like these?
@Forgyy
Жыл бұрын
@@maxw565 I'd check out manather's frost mage guide for now =) I might make one in the future but its low on the prio list for me atm
@y0ke578
Жыл бұрын
since the m+ stats are haste vers, do i still go like that in raid? or is it mastery
@Forgyy
Жыл бұрын
raid is also haste vers
@sinkeeee
Жыл бұрын
Heya Forgy, can you paste us please m+ and raid talent strings? Thank you in advance.
@Forgyy
Жыл бұрын
Hey =) I go through talents in part 1 but I haven't looked at m+ yet. I will make a part for that specifically once I get to do some live keys ^^
@danielhinojosa4114
Жыл бұрын
is fire easier to play than frost?
@Forgyy
Жыл бұрын
they are pretty similar difficulty imo. They are not easy but not that hard anymore
@frontman6849
Жыл бұрын
TRUFUGCD please ))
@Forgyy
Жыл бұрын
I was meant to have that/something similar on but it wasnt working for some reason, ill be making an analysis of a rank 1 i had with that on ^^
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