I have answered the same question 9 times in 1 day so I will just make a comment because people dont read other comments: Q: How do I scorch ib FS FS? How 2 FS? Well the idea is you start with heating up before you cast scorch because assumedly you would have cast a flamestrike as your previous spell as usual. So have heating up. Scorch IB FS FS. IB makes it Hot Streak, scorch + FS cast together, both give heating up so another hot streak, so FS a 2nd time If scorch IB FS FS not working for you consistently, you are either playing with too low spell queue or you are pressing buttons too slow or fire blasting too late into your cast. 75% of the time its the first thing, 20% its the 3rd thing, and 5% its the too slow situation. Make sure your spell queue is at 400.
@dwaynejohnson9997
Жыл бұрын
I figured it out bro!👍🏾 thanks again!
@Aurazan
Жыл бұрын
What's IB?
@dwaynejohnson9997
Жыл бұрын
@@Aurazan fireblast
@Forgyy
Жыл бұрын
@@Aurazan fire blast (initials of Inferno Blast to differentiate between it and FireBall, since Fire Blast used to be called Inferno Blast)
@vib2k958
Жыл бұрын
Moreover, if you guys have a problem to combine CB+FIREBLAST you can macro it ! It works rly good and the feeling is rly different. Indeed, you can "CB+FIRE" when your scorch is mid bar.
@LeagueOfLegend1310
11 ай бұрын
I have to say this agian, the amount of important information you give is insane. Thank you so much!
@Critmaw
10 ай бұрын
I really enjoyed this series and learned a lot. Thanks for putting it together!!
@nap4lm238
Жыл бұрын
WHO'S THE MAN? Forgy... Forgy is THE MAN! i cant believe i haven't realized the munch of double FS, i've noticed it felt weird, but somehow i didnt investigate it and brushed it off as a misplay tyvm brotherman, keep pumpin banger content
@churro2357
Жыл бұрын
Dude i love you guides. I was nervous before the patch dropped brecause i had never played with FS but your guides started to come out and I knew I would be fine.
@00wkee
Жыл бұрын
fire mage is FINALLY what is should be.. fluid gameplay lots of crits I love it
@wintertale.
Жыл бұрын
Thanks for the number one detailed guide! It's awesome! Shouldn't we cast Fire Ball instead of Scorch during Combustion with Double Lusts? It seems like you cast scorch at the beggining of this video.
@Forgyy
Жыл бұрын
Yeah you can if u want. Casting scorch in combust isnt as atrocious if u dnt have a hot streak during that cast. So me doing scorch is not a big deal here but might not be ideal you're right. What you're losing is damage per GCD but the damage difference between scorch and fireball in an aoe pack is basically 0. The biggest reason you fireball instead of scorch in double lust normally is so you can do scorch ib pyro pyro (or fireball ib pyro pyro). In double lust you cannot do scorch ib pyro pyro because scorch finishes cast time before you can send the pyro, meaning u waste a heating up. In the opener i am not having a hot streak so its not as important ^^
@HOBOTw1tcH
Жыл бұрын
4:17 - I agree with this 100% and I dont follow it at all. if im at 4+ targets, I hardcast FS - way better
@dankri20
Жыл бұрын
Hello! perfect video! im struggeling mostly out of combustion, with my charges of IB and phoenix flames, idk if there is any pattern? i feel i just cast them randomly when i get a heating up. Should i allways combind a heating up with a IB, or is there sometimes i skip it and just fireball? thats probably the hardest part for me. Outside the combust fillers
@dwaynejohnson9997
Жыл бұрын
Hey forgy! Great guide as always. How do you do double flamestrike? Do you hardcast FS during combus?
@Forgyy
Жыл бұрын
Same as how you do scorch ib pyro pyro, you do scorch ib fs fs. You do not hardcast FS during combust unless u have to for SKB. If scorch IB FS FS not working for you consistently, you are either playing with too low spell queue or you are pressing buttons too slow or fire blasting too late into your cast. 75% of the time its the first thing, 20% its the 3rd thing, and 5% its the too slow situation. Make sure your spell queue is at 400.
@adamage
Жыл бұрын
Hello Forgy, you're a life saver with your guides, as it's not really easy for me to decipher available guides on wowhead or mage-hub. Always easier to see rotation in practice and explained directly. I haven't played fire mage since SL Castle Nathria, so I feel like everything's new. If I may, I've two questions about aoe rotation. First - there's a graph flying around in mage discord with flamestrike pre-cast > phoenix flames > 2x lust > meteor > fireball + ib + combustion etc., yet I don't see you precasting. Instead you just start with phoenix flames and go on, is it intentional? Sorry if I missed you explaining this issue in the video, I didn't get it. Second question is, do you have perhaps any log to share with aoe rotation sample so it would be available to study first hand? Similar to a log you posted in part 2 of your guide. I must admit I study timelines from your raid figts in warcraft logs and it's a great complement to your video guides. Although current raid is rather st oriented, there're still cleave phases on some bosses, but only later on during the fight. Like, there's no aoe opener at all.
@Forgyy
Жыл бұрын
Great questions. 1- I dont have any pre-casting no because in reality in keys you dont have "pre-cast" periods. The tank pulls and the fight has already started and you're just waiting for him to group things up. Spending time casting flamestrike is not a pre-cast since the pack is already engaged. The fireball is a thing mostly for double lust (you scorch instead if no double lust) and i didnt mention it cuz realistically lusting trash is very unlikely and a scorch would work anyway, just dont IB before the cast ends but a fireball works for double lust if u want to IB technically. 2- I dont have any logs for AoE unfortunately. I haven't played many mage keys this season as im pushing on hpal. I did a few just to get a vibe and feel things out before making the guide but didnt log any unfortunately :(
@adamage
Жыл бұрын
@@Forgyy makes sense, thanks for answering. Don't worry if you've got no logs recorded for this. It's just my obsession with graphs, as I tend to learn better with what I see, than what I hear :D the action sequence on the right of your UI is very helpful in that regard though. I did try playing some keys as fire before rework and it felt awful, like 8.3 just without wrists and giga mastery from corruption, so I sticked to arcane and frost. Now I'm definately switching to fire, just need some practice.
@Peanutping
Жыл бұрын
Great Guides mate !!!
@oskarjohansson8661
Жыл бұрын
Thanks for the guides! just a quick question during combustion down time though. In this example is it obvious with Scorch since the dummies are always in execute range. but do you do this rotation either way? I find building the next SKB without waisting to many FB can be challenging.
@Forgyy
Жыл бұрын
I never once scorched outside of combust in this video, i go over filler in the video briefly. PF management and DB and proper planning is the most important key
@EnriqueGonzalez18362
Жыл бұрын
Hi! Thank you for making the M+ guide. I have a question though, how do you get the double flamestrike? I think there might be something I missed in your previous videos or something, but you say: scorch, fireblast, then double flamestrike, but this has me very confused. During combust, the scorch gives you 1 heating up, then fireblast the second one and it becomes a hot streak. After that, consuming it with a flamestrike with make you start again. How do you throw the second one right after the first one?
@Forgyy
Жыл бұрын
Well the idea is you start with heating up before you cast scorch because assumedly you would have cast a flamestrike as your previous spell as usual. So have heating up. Scorch IB FS FS. IB makes it Hot Streak, scorch + FS cast together, both give heating up so another hot streak, so FS a 2nd time
@EnriqueGonzalez18362
Жыл бұрын
@@Forgyy Thank you so much for replying. I'm gonna practice that.
@Octane2k
Жыл бұрын
Question here. On a heating up skb hardcast flame strike. Why not hardcast flame into a IB pyro flame strike flame strike. Or does that waste a proc of skb. Isn’t that what we are doing in single target with pyro though?
@Forgyy
Жыл бұрын
There's a bunch to say to this: - why would you pyro on aoe instead of doing the alternative suggestions. That sounds like a significant loss - the munched heating up you get from FS hard cast + IB is munched because of the FS hard cast not what you cast after it. So if you were to change anything you'd change the FS hard cast to pyro hard cast but this is not ideal for above reason. You are cooking too much to force the IB mid cast in order to refresh feel the burn, a buff that barely is worth looking at because it's so incredibly weak. think about it like this, you are losing 6% dmg then 4% then 2% across three gcds (12% total lost dmg) compared to casting a flamestrike instead of a pyro which is way more damage. This also assumes you cannot refresh FtB which you definitely can anyway if you let the FS finish cast then cast fs again into ib
@Octane2k
Жыл бұрын
No this makes sense. I am just new to wow and fire mage has been a little rough but I think my problem was I wasn’t waiting for flame strike to hit so I thought I had to cast IB. So I resulted in adding pyro so I can cast two flame. I just need to practice that part more. Thanks for the reply.
@ghermanandrei5394
Жыл бұрын
hi. i have a question regarding the Imporved Scorch talent in execute. Many times i have my SKB ready/ Combustion ready when the boss reaches 30%. What we are doing on this situation? do we stack Imporved Scorch to 3 before rolling the full combustion and scorch by time to time to mantain the buff? or we just go full combustion and we dont care about the Improved Scorch buff? Do u have any video with some example? thank you
@Forgyy
Жыл бұрын
I think youre overcomplicating things. Improved scorch should be applied pretty much passively, and then you dont let it drop after that. If you waste heating up at all to stack improved scorch you are probably losing damage.
@E_Rai
Жыл бұрын
hi forgy, thanks for the guide. for the converting to a hot streak when activating SKB, shouldnt it be possible to delay the instant cast flamestrike for e very short time after the hard cast one hits, what would result into another hot streak? like we did with a macro / wa for when it was a thing to not queue a barrage as arcane. just an idea, didnt test it yet. ggs
@Synthesisz
Жыл бұрын
If you are talking about the waste of heating up when hardcasting flamestrike with hot streak ready at first I was like why am i ending up with a heating up instead of another hot streak after i just crit 2 flamestrikes in a row but the first one hits while you already have hot streak so it doesnt do anything and the qued up one consumes the hot streak after and it crits=heating up where as with pyro because of the travel time of the hardcasted one you have time to consume hot streak before it hits, its kinda annoying to get used to not converting your heating up to a hot streak during skb hardcast.
@E_Rai
Жыл бұрын
okay yea reading this i realize that my idea makes absolutely no sense 😅
@cookingwithhedonismbot8900
Жыл бұрын
Any plans on doing a similar video for Arcane or is Fire just too good right now? I'm doing pretty well with Arcane after seeing your first 3 vids about it but I'm sure there's plenty of room to improve in M+.
@Forgyy
Жыл бұрын
I do have eventual plans for arcane its just very low prio atm for me tbh because not many play arcane aoe and i dont atm either.
@cookingwithhedonismbot8900
Жыл бұрын
@@Forgyy Fair enough, thanks for the content.
@tonnes8013
Жыл бұрын
Ty bro❤️
@Synthesisz
Жыл бұрын
Forgy is there a trick to the hardcast fs with heating up into scorch double fs ? I've been trying it a lot and its 50/50 success rate for me, sometimes i can do double fs and sometimes i just end up with a heating up after the first one, does it depend on haste or ms or what ?
@Forgyy
Жыл бұрын
If you have heating up and you do scorch IB FS FS it will be 100% doable every time. Sounds like your lag tolerance is too low and thus having gaps between your casts/not queuing up spells properly. I recommend you check my recent video titled "Most Important Setting in WoW" or something along those lines. The tl;dr is set your lag tolerance to 400 and your issue will be fixed instantly.
@Synthesisz
Жыл бұрын
@@Forgyy I do have 400 spell que and its still not doable 100% of the time, in combust with heating up im casting scorch fire blast and queing up my fs at the end of the scorch and its 50/50 if its gonna work or not, i play on 40-50ms with 400 spell que 26% haste, pretty weird idk whats going on
@Forgyy
Жыл бұрын
@@Synthesisz My guess is you might be either pressing fire blast too late into the cast, or you are not pressing keys fast enough/early enough. As a general rule, outside of hardcast pyro/flamestrike, i always press fire blast pretty much as soon as my cast starts and then immediately start spamming the next button
@redbullwings007
Жыл бұрын
@@Synthesisz i personnaly cant do it consistenly with 400 ms, but with 600 its 100% for me
@lolax100hb
Жыл бұрын
What weakaura do you use to track phoenix flame and calefactions stacks on it?
@Forgyy
Жыл бұрын
Just one i made myself, its part of my package found in my discord
@Ereanion
Жыл бұрын
I was wondering about that scorch in start, its cause they are on low health right? What about if they har on maximum health?
@Forgyy
Жыл бұрын
I explain it at the beginning m8, you do scorch so you can combust before meteor lands. Otherwise u have to combust early in cast and waste 1s in combust casting some random spell I would never do smth like cast execute spells on dummy it's poor practice
@brinwilliams1112
Жыл бұрын
Can you explain your comment and break down how "scorch, fireblast, flamestrike, flamstrike" works? I dont under how this works. Same thing with scorch, fireblast, pyro, pyro"?
@st191596
Жыл бұрын
I didnt know too, but I tried and works like: going in combustion with HU to scorch - in midcast cca press fireblast and before end of cast press pyro, after cast you will get another pyro just like that for free. Same with flamestrike. i was supprised that it works like that. In double lust you will not manage to press all in scorch cast- so you do in in fireball cast.
@Forgyy
Жыл бұрын
Check the new pinned comment i made =)
@redbullwings007
Жыл бұрын
so lets say i dont have combust up but i have SKB and im full of resources. after entering SKB isnt better to scrotch IB FS FS once and then dump PF/IB + FS to get to the next SKB faster?? because if i do scrotch IB FS FS and then again scrotch IB FS FS , SKB combust is already over and i have only 4 stacks now and i kinda feel so slow until next SKB
@Forgyy
Жыл бұрын
The rate of FS is the same whether you PF or scorch. They are both 1 GCD long "cast/execute" time. For IB yes, if you have excess IBs u can burn them (aggressive HU SKB) that i mention. Burning through ur PF mid combust means you will have less stuff to get to next SKB because u will be stuck casting filler spells instead of saving PF.
@sonnyblaze7211
Жыл бұрын
Should i not use meteor in skb? Do i just use it on combustion?
@Forgyy
Жыл бұрын
you can use it in SKB. When i say: "use it in combust" i just mean the combust buff not the spell. So you can use it in SKB but just make sure it lands in SKB too, so usually casting right after the hard cast
@silkroad780
10 ай бұрын
How i copy same taskbar+talents ? You can share it?
@agustinhurtado315
Жыл бұрын
Hello, what trinkets do you recommend for M+?
@Forgyy
Жыл бұрын
vessel, chromatic essence, and spoils are all good, probably the best trinkets there are rn
@agustinhurtado315
Жыл бұрын
@@Forgyy thanks! and what % of haste and vers should we aiming for M+?
@Forgyy
Жыл бұрын
@@agustinhurtado315 you just sim and equip. Its not that deep. Gear/stat distribution is a very small part of your damage compared to your actual gameplay. You can probably top DPS in pug 20s with 0 trinkets and no weapon
@agustinhurtado315
Жыл бұрын
@@Forgyy and how do you sim? 5-8 targets, Dungeon slice?
@Forgyy
Жыл бұрын
@@agustinhurtado315 never ever ever use dungeon slice it is the worst thing known to man kind. Just 5-8 target patchwerk, no blood lust for aoe sims. duration doesnt matter that much just do somewhere between 1min-5min
@vaeell6532
5 ай бұрын
This is all relevant for s4 yeah?
@Forgyy
5 ай бұрын
some of it is yea some of it not. Flamestrike was the meta back in 10.1.5 and in s4 it will be between ignite and flamestrike, the talent setups might be different too but the general idea behind thinking about Phoenix Flames and IB and SKB remains the same
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