FixTF2 pictochats go hard. Anyways I do want to give my own opinion that community servers are not a great alternative. Their navigation is very unfriendly to new players and the shut down of Valve servers will only make the bot hosters more insufferable. Yes there are servers with dedicated moderation, but not all will have the resources available to keep the bots away 24/7. How long would it take for the bot hosters to find a different way to harm community servers as they know there will be no help from Valve? #FixTF2 #SaveTF2
@SquiddyG
4 ай бұрын
That's a very valid point. Uncle Dane said himself in his reacting to tf2 hot takes video that official servers shutting down would put much heavier loads on the moderation teams of community servers. It's also fair to think that if players found their ways to community servers, bot hosters would too. That being said I think that bigger servers like Uncletopia, Skial, etc would probably be willing to double down to support the new entries, as well as keep out bots. I'm also sure that the community themselves would do everything in their power to spread the word on where and how to play tf2 after the games official servers go out. Very good point tho. Thank you for bringing it up. #fixtf2
@dacomputernerd4096
4 ай бұрын
No time at all apparently, they've already gotten into uncletopia from what I've heard
@notawizard6714
4 ай бұрын
@@dacomputernerd4096 Yeah I saw a post about that.
@s.v.berezin1562
4 ай бұрын
I've tried playing community servers instead of casual on days where bots were particularly oppressive, and I've always struggled to find one that actually provides the same experience. Most have rubbish settings like random crits disabled, fixed spread, instant-respawn - on top of usually stuttering for me in a way casual never does.
@mahuba2553
4 ай бұрын
you are saying, the community wont have resources, really? the ENTIRE community wont be able to make patches constantly and share it from server to server? i dont think you are considering the real logistics of that
@lordmarum
4 ай бұрын
Shutting down servers would probably have a huge negative impact in people's trust in other valve games, especially those with economies
@SpinosaurusStudios_
4 ай бұрын
So Nintendo?
@Grandmaster-Kush
4 ай бұрын
It's all about C$:GO in the end, that's where Volvo put all their eggs and created a new legal form of gambling targeted towards children and youth.
@zfilms4858
4 ай бұрын
forget valve, it would probably cause ANOTHER VIDEO GAME COLLAPSE if they even dared think about it!
@energeticyellow1637
4 ай бұрын
Shutting down the official servers would be a net-positive for the game. #removeCasual
@gronkusbonkus
4 ай бұрын
I know it is tempting and i know someone will do it but please do NOT reply to energetic yellow he is a troll trying to start an argument if you respond to him you are doing what he wants you to do
@zair1604
4 ай бұрын
They will not close TF2 cause then the CS2 economy is fucked. Valve would be saying your items are worth nothing and can be taken away at anytime.
@Pal4093
4 ай бұрын
This needs to be pinned there are so many reasons why they can’t just shut down TF2
@RandomPerson-cm2wg
4 ай бұрын
It wouldn’t be out of character for Valve to make poor business decisions anyways, though.
@susierainbolt7279
4 ай бұрын
You got a point there. I only spent no more than $100 on this game, but some players who are dedicated to Team Fortress 2 have probably spent money well into the thousands of dollars. Valve would have an angry community if they were to pull a "The Crew" style shutdown like that.
@wizard_4194
4 ай бұрын
@@susierainbolt7279boo fucking hoo they dont care. They make millions of dollars from steam alone. You really think new Valve cares about its consumers?
@splurgy.
4 ай бұрын
They are worth nothing and no game lasts forever eventually they will be gone.
@giraffeguruvods295
4 ай бұрын
Unrelated, but I like that you include your failed shovel attempts. Shows you have confidence, so good on yas.
@trickyykcir
4 ай бұрын
Agreed. The amount of times I’ve watched other channels with gameplay always conveniently cutaway before dying or failing is too high!!
@Suwawako
4 ай бұрын
Including failure makes him human, which I respect a lot
@joeypickering5273
4 ай бұрын
“TF2 Community! We hear you, we are hiring another potted plant and one more toddler. We love this game too!”
@TheTdw2000
4 ай бұрын
Man, Team Crabwalk Rocketjump Fortress is old enough for elementary school. How time flies.
@sleepy-fc6rf
4 ай бұрын
The fourth possibility: Valve says nothing and then in 20 years a single line of code in an update to Artifact 2.5 vaguely references an anticheat software beginning development.
@MizTereAlous
4 ай бұрын
50 years later Half Life 2.5 released.
@jthablaidd
4 ай бұрын
I fully believe valve will either A: not do anything B: send another “we hear your feedback” tweet
@Barney_Calhoun862
4 ай бұрын
"omg its us valve, we are sowwy and we gonna start doing nothing once again!"
@ziphy_6471
4 ай бұрын
The literal point of the movement is for the bots to be fixed and not stop until it is fixed
@Veltek_
4 ай бұрын
@ziphy_6471 Stop what? It's basically just begging with e-signatures. The community doesn't have any cards to play in the event Valve continues doing nothing... public pressure will not work because there's no urgency to it. However, if there was risk to their money flow or some other fundamental strike, the effect would be much better.
@ziphy_6471
4 ай бұрын
@@Veltek_ The urgency is negative press. Mutahar has already covered this it's only so much time until other big youtubers cover it. Then more people know about the situation and Valve is preasured to actually fix their game. Like does this really need to be said? This really doesn't take much time to think about how this would play out
@mt-xy9np
4 ай бұрын
@@Veltek_ However several groups have suggested for people to not spend money on TF2 or other valve properties while this is going on, especially with them releasing a new crate set soon, some are suggesting not spending any money on steam at all.
@Lugiiiii
4 ай бұрын
Valve shutting down TF2 is a scary thought, but if they do shut it down, then the community at large will inevitably realize that they don't own the items they buy in TF2, nay, EVERY Valve game with a similar mechanic and/or a community market like TF2's. I vaguely remember a certain youtuber stating that if Valve shut down TF2, the riots would be even worse than they are now as about a decade's worth of a market goes down the drain. They could never shut down TF2, or CS2, or what have you, for if they did, it would leave an even bigger, more permanent stain on their record than what #FixTF2 is doing. EDIT: This video specifically kzitem.info/news/bejne/yXiP3KaoqKeYZX4 at 3:58
@lancetheking7524
4 ай бұрын
Somewhat related, but you can copypaste a KZitem URL with a specific timestamp on the video
@Lugiiiii
4 ай бұрын
@@lancetheking7524 I did, that link should go to the exact time I listed.
@fangrowls6336
4 ай бұрын
Tf2 should be shutdown so that someone else can handle it instead of valve Like tf2 classic ( i dont like their approach)
@ivan55599
4 ай бұрын
Did we own the pixels in the first place?
@Pickleduck.
4 ай бұрын
@@ivan55599 no, but valve's income is largely from counterstrike keys and community market sales so by shutting down tf2 people would stop putting so much money into that and valve will lose profits.
@noahthecrazy1632
4 ай бұрын
Well at least we will kill deadlock before it’s released, because nobody will trust valve to upkeep their game
@iriswav7379
4 ай бұрын
Valve cornered themselves really hard lmao
@Lawlz4Dayzz
4 ай бұрын
4th option: Literally get TF2 players to mass apply for coding positions at Valve and force them to Fix TF2 themselves from the inside out
@reno239
4 ай бұрын
They don’t get to choose where they work. And that only works if tf2 players actually are Good at coding, good enough to get into valve. Besides, they’ll be put onto deadlock or cs instead
@ziphy_6471
4 ай бұрын
@@reno239 Valve employees get to choose what they work on
@angelogaray8019
4 ай бұрын
@ziphy_6471 So they say, but from what I’ve heard the higher-ups at VALVe like to force employees to work on more “””important””” projects, lest they cut their pay or even fire them
@ziphy_6471
4 ай бұрын
@@angelogaray8019 Source?
@vilian9185
4 ай бұрын
@@ziphy_6471 mostly*, but there's employers there that like tf2, it's just the game code that's so fucked that demotivate them
@Imm_o
4 ай бұрын
The thing about the idea that Valve shuts down TF2 is that it's highly unlikely, because it is a massive risk. TF2 is not the only source of revenue that would be affected by shutting these servers down. Revealing to the world that the items in TF2 are worthless and that its market can be just turned off at any given moment, game reduced to community servers at best, and reduced to nothing at worst, would immediately also affect the game that gives them the MOST revenue, Counter-strike. They are a multi-billion dollar company, yes. One of those roughly 13 BILLION yearly dollars is from Counter-strike, another game with an incredible thriving item market that makes them a ton of money. The moment TF2 goes under, the Counter-strike community would immediately see that as a threat and BOTH markets would crash, not just TF2's. They LITERALLY don't have the choice, lest they're prepared to risk losing almost 10% of their yearly revenue. Which they probably aren't. Because they are at their core, a company. They love money. Their shareholders love money. They aren't stupid enough to cut off a revenue stream like TF2 because they know the risk it would have towards affecting their other, bigger revenue streams. It would be a PR disaster. It would immediately enrage people contributing to their bigger revenue streams. It would be screaming to the world that "buying isn't owning", and there hasn't ever been a time where the world EVER responded to that with agreement. Which just goes to show that we literally, LITERALLY have nothing to lose. Because if we did, we would've already lost it by now. Valve would have shut TF2 down by now with how awful a state the game is in if they were going to do it. But they won't, because they would never live down the PR stink it would cause. They would never recover from the opportunity every single competitor they have would take from immediately raising themselves up above Steam by going *"we don't do that! look at us!"* And even if they were stupid enough to take that risk, we would still bask in the victory of knowing that TF2 died not with a pathetic whimper, but with an unmatched roar. That despite how small its player-base became, the community was so strong that it could take down a GIANT along with its death. I know that's a little dramatic to say but it's true. In my eyes, TF2 has two outcomes from this, especially since the whole idea of #fixtf2 is that we DON'T STOP UNTIL IT'S FIXED. The first outcome is that it gets fixed. The second outcome is that it dies swinging, and Valve risks taking itself down along with TF2.
@redsentry9785
4 ай бұрын
Valve has no shareholders lol
@malahay_31
4 ай бұрын
valve doesnt need to shutdown item servers they can just shutdown matchmaking servers and call it a day
@dannerhoinowski9520
4 ай бұрын
Sadly, Valve’s a private company. They don’t have shareholders. They get to do whatever they want without being afraid to fail because they don’t have appease shareholders
@psyivy9169
4 ай бұрын
@@dannerhoinowski9520 private companies should be illegal, not being accountable to shareholders is basically communism
@cowserthekhelinace
4 ай бұрын
@@dannerhoinowski9520 Even still, the people who work for the company hold stake in it in some way. If the company suddenly takes a giant revenue hit in the form of the TF2 economy vanishing and the CS2 skin market taking a fear dive, who gets struck with the consequences? The employees who suddenly have an annual $1 billion dollars less to work with, possibly growing into 2 billion or more as people lose trust in Valve.
@DeimosWhitesnake
4 ай бұрын
They could also readd quickplay, which would fix a lot of the problems casual had when it was introduced (due to the fact that people reque all the time, bots can join in squads, thus become unkickable), while a working anti-cheat is ideal, I think that reverting back to quickplay is the more realistic option.
@Hnui03
4 ай бұрын
That hitsound and killsound are hilatious XD. This needs more views, your gameplay and voice are so smooth, and the inclusion of the fails shows you have humility too. Keep spreading the good word friend!
@maboi0007
4 ай бұрын
As a student to make a company and as Zestyjesus has mentioned. It doesn't matter how much worth valve has, if you aren't getting money there's planning issues, budget and other organisational problems that are brought forward. That is to say, valve can't ignore a financial boycot that's why its so successful against corporations.
@serzaknightcore5208
4 ай бұрын
It all went down when they removed the matchmaking for community servers. While servers maker can't make their own anti-cheat, they can ban cheaters, or ban specific keywords in names. That wouldn't work if it was applied to all servers, but that would work on a handful of servers,with cheaters who would probably just give up on these servers because "meh, it's one server from thousands of servers) So i think there is also an option D: Valve give tf2 to the community. Either they officialize in some ways the tf2 forks, or they bring back community quickplay, while maybe even removing official servers.
@Lawlz4Dayzz
4 ай бұрын
Valave isnt the same as before, its like Gabe Newel retired without announcing whose really running the show now.
@vilian9185
4 ай бұрын
err, idk man, the valve approach of letting their employers do whatever they want is what caused this, no one want to work in the spaghetti code, what's understandable, we only got the 64bit update and the bug fixes because valve hired a dev solely to work on tf2
@ExValeFor
4 ай бұрын
This is entirely in character with Gabe. He gets distracted with new shiny toys and quickly forgets what he was doing.
@juststickfig328
4 ай бұрын
Sad to see one of my favorite games of all time be so ignored by their devs, but it’s still hopeful to see people banding together to try and support this old game. And glad to see you posting again :)
@blubullie4850
4 ай бұрын
The petition is almost to 230k signatures and still steadily going. Valve needs to do something to #FixTF2
@CapitalTeeth
4 ай бұрын
I half expect Valve to just say "you know what, eff this" and shuts the game down. As in, shuts down every official server and mann co store, then officially says they're going to stop supporting the game going forward. I mean, if these past 5 years have shown anything to me, it's that Valve is done with this game. The last major update was in 2017, and everything after that was just adding community hats and minor events that even a skeleton crew can organize. Call me doomerpilled, but I feel this is a likely outcome.
@SCP-tn2ln
4 ай бұрын
5:09 counterpoint: they haven't closed artifact yet, why start with tf2?
@MrMan-y5h
4 ай бұрын
Petition is at 223,000 and still going strong rn
@Lawlz4Dayzz
4 ай бұрын
If they reverted alot of changes from the meet your match update, that could help, even if they dont add anything new either. But they dont care and thats the issue.
@Alabenson
4 ай бұрын
I say we don't boycott TF2, we boycott buying new games on Steam. That would be a much bigger hit to Valve's bottom line without turning TF2 into a liability for them.
@tiredideabox
4 ай бұрын
It would hurt valve's bottom line, yes. But it'll also hurt independent developers that are trying to make a living off of their games and passion projects. Forcing people who aren't even related to TF2 or even in the know about it to get caught in the crossfire isn't a good look for the community.
@hermitlord3420
4 ай бұрын
TF2 still makes valve a ton of money, too much to just shut it down. In addition, turning off the TF2 economy will also hurt the CSGO and Dota economy, because they will fear that their items will be worthless one day and buyout early. Turning TF2 off would have valve loose way more money than what TF2 brings in by itself, which is still millions of dollars.
@tiredideabox
4 ай бұрын
@@hermitlord3420 and only then would a burning flames team captain would be worth as much as earbuds are in real life.
@engineergaming1669
4 ай бұрын
@@tiredideaboxsuccessful boycotts end up with financial casualties, it’s sad but it is what it is
@Spando
4 ай бұрын
I believe another belief/motivator is since Valve is working on a new game at the moment that all this bad PR and company slander will hurt the game massively. I mean let's be fair Deadlock could be the BEST game in the entire world but I would not even give it a chance knowing the VALVE CYCLE. Valve drops a banger title. Consistent updates for years with fun additions. Then out of the blue Valve goes to the Steam Market to buy milk and is never seen for the next few years. HELL considering this game is probably gonna run on VAC as well on launch the game will probably be FULL of aimbotters/cheaters. MAYBE.? And I say this as a HIGH maybe here. Valve develops an actual decent anti cheat for Deadlock while its in development and also attaches it to their other titles like TF2 and Counterstrike when Deadlock launches.? It's at least a possibility I suppose?
@darielvillatoro8365
4 ай бұрын
For the people who are losing their heads because of the third possibility. Remember that we are only talking about CASUAL servers, not ITEM servers. So unless Valve's infrastructure is that fucked up, Valve could kill casual and still sell cosmetics since those are still visible in community servers. And in that case, we could then ask Valve to at least bring back quickplay. Or maybe I'm wrong and I don't understand anything... I just started to play Valve games last year.
@exuakema
4 ай бұрын
It’s that one South Park guy “we’re sowwy “
@hypertension1011
4 ай бұрын
I can't imagine the colossal back lash they will face if TF2 is shotdown but I know it will be impossible to ignore
@paulussoler
4 ай бұрын
I first thought the same thing about boycotting the game but I don't know who made this point but its a really good one which is that closing tf2, would include its items. These would have MASSIVE consecuences, the biggest one being players of games like counter being shown that they don't own those items at all, and that would destroy the item economy which let me say, its a reaally good revenue generator
@metallord6960
4 ай бұрын
I forgot who said it, but Valve also rakes in a lot of money from CSGO. Shutting down TF2 would be a risk since CS players would see that they could lose everuthing they invested in. just food for thought.
@VanguardJester
4 ай бұрын
Realistically, we need to start hitting their other products in order to send a proper message. "Your PR is low. Your fanbase no longer trusts you. Games you make will start dying on launch until you fix this problem." This isn't about TF2 anymore. If valve treats one game like this, this could spread to every other game they have dominion over. We need to make it clear that this has festered long enough, and they need to be held accountable for the neglect. We either A, need to start abandoning valve's merchandise entirely, or B, file a full blown lawsuit and get a legal body involved over the endangerment of lives from this lack of security.
@Lawlz4Dayzz
4 ай бұрын
The 3rd option shouldnt happen because since the TF2 item market is a few million then Valve opens the selves up to tons of court cases if they shut down TF2. Uncle Dane mentioned this. This is also why Valve, so Ive heard, is hesitiant on reworks and rebalanced on items because it affect items paid for by real money. Thus part of why there are still so many blatantly over powered weapons in TF2 still with no changes made even while Valve was active in the game. However stuff like the Bot Problem and random crits has no legal excuse to be in the game and frankly Valve can man up and do a few changes, especially to Sniper whose needed a rework for some time and Heavy just needs new content in general.
@NoodleCollie
4 ай бұрын
I'm gonna post this everywhere I can because I think it's genuinely the best option for anyone who wants to play a fun, functional and well-supported game of TF2 right now: *download the TF2 Classic source mod.* It's made and supported by passionate community members, it gets regular updates (including new weapons), it has no bot problem, it has no economy (and so little incentive for people to invest time writing bots for it), it looks much better than the base game, it _runs_ much better than the base game, and it already has a decent player base which could really benefit from the extra visibility that #FixTF2 is generating. I rarely play base TF2 any more (only with a bunch of friends on a purpose-run community server), but I still love to hop into casual matches on TF2 Classic. I personally don't hold out much hope that Valve will really do anything significant to TF2 because there's not really any motivation or business case for that to happen, but if there's one thing we all know by now, it's that the community has the passion and the expertise to solve the problem. As far as I'm concerned, TF2 Classic is the best solution available right now, because it's the result of that community passion.
@darthgamer9861
4 ай бұрын
You have a point, so I feel the boycott should include ALL Valve games, like Dota or CS2
@Lawlz4Dayzz
4 ай бұрын
Honestly, the root of the problem at the end of the day is Valve likely hired only College graduates who never played nor cared for their games and only wanted to leech off of other games' success instead of hiring from the various modders of their communities which was how they originally got to creat Team Fortress into its own masterpiece.
@Gofaw
4 ай бұрын
A successful company like Valve doesn't care about a 17 year old game but apparently the ""root of the problem"" is hiringcollege grads? You're really dumb
@ventu7907
4 ай бұрын
Its valve not riot
@apersonontheinternet8354
4 ай бұрын
The sounds in the background of warioland, clicking through menus is funny. Nice vid
@milanhegedus3950
4 ай бұрын
opinion warning (the video is well put together good job keep it up) Why would any company close a million-dollar tap where money flows in and it is very childish to think a big company has an infinite amount of money and and VALVe cares about its image and shutting down a game during its protest is suicide and and and showing to CS that your items aren't actually yours and have no value unless you spend more which is a Ponzi scheme
@ZiggyTheHamster
4 ай бұрын
I have a niche policy position: everyone should recognize that Valve is not wanting to be in the position to perform moderation anymore, and developing anti-cheat is not cost-effective or possible, so there should be a volunteer or paid GM ("Game Master") team who are given the tools necessary to moderate. I suggest this being a paid position because this turns abuses of power into personnel matters, and provides at least some framework for confidential back-of-office communication with the development team. It also means you are performing proper background checks and that the people who apply to the position are serious. Even having one person do it for two hours a night would be an improvement over doing literally nothing. They could make this cost the company as much or as little as they wanted and other than needing to configure the server automation differently to allow these folks the ability to both team spectate/not join a team, can be accomplished with the systems available today.
@maestromgx
4 ай бұрын
Valve is against GM / community manager role, dota2 team owner, esports player and community figures already done that and Valve was against it
@ricaricano
4 ай бұрын
I love a good three way fix TF2
@RobertFunk-x6p
4 ай бұрын
Wait if valve is aware of these bot hosters committing federal crimes but don’t do anything wouldnt that make them an accessory to these crimes?
@Lonqudor
4 ай бұрын
Outcome 4: Valve gives TF2 to me so I can fix it aha
@ChizuruMinamoto
4 ай бұрын
From my point of view, the thing isn't that Valve is per say "ignoring the issue", but more so that all the community fixes that people think would work are terrible ideas (see Shounic's video from last year on the topic), and Valve is probably looking for a good solution that doesn't suck and isn't a "treadmill" (A.K.A doesn't require someone maintaining the game at all time) but it isn't easy to implement, and Valve being Valve just don't communicate, as they have been doing for literally forever. What I mean is, while it is possible that Valve really is doing nothing, I doubt it is actually true. However Valve usually just doesn't communicate. It has been a major issue with Valve since forever, and is nothing new. People acting surprised that Valve didn't communicate in 2 years makes me laugh. To make it clear, an anti-cheat might not even work. Since the main issue with anti-cheats is that you can go around them. Even valorant's anti-cheat can be bypassed by using an hyper-v VM, because Hyper-V makes windows machine so real that Valorant isn't able to detect it as a VM, and you can just have the cheat outside of the VM. So if this works, there's little chance that just an anti-cheat will fix TF2's bot problem forever, realistically. At best it would probably take like a month of respite.
@CodecrafterArtemis
4 ай бұрын
> Valve is probably looking for a good solution that doesn't suck and isn't a "treadmill" (A.K.A doesn't require someone maintaining the game at all time) I dunno, Valve is content to getting money from TF2 all the time. Why shouldn't the players expect them to support the game all the time? > What I mean is, while it is possible that Valve really is doing nothing, I doubt it is actually true. Why?
@ChizuruMinamoto
4 ай бұрын
@@CodecrafterArtemis For the first one, Valve has already stated that they don't like treadmill systems. That's nothing new. They have never liked this system, and it's not gonna change tomorrow. Also valve has only around 360 employees. It's not that they can't hire people for it, it's just that they've never worked this way, and again it isn't gonna change tomorrow. Valve tends to hire part time or short term employees when they really need a work load. But they only got around 360 full time employees, Which includes more than just devs of course. For the second one, because Valve just never tells anyone anything like I said... It isn't a brand new issue, it's an issue Valve has had since forever. And I do believe that if the bot situation was an easy fix, they would have done it already a long time ago. But Valve is also not gonna tell you "Hey we're doing this to try and fix it" either to not give hints to anyone, or just because they don't think it is necessary. Just look at how VAC is designed to work. It flags your account for a ban, but the ban is by default delayed. The idea behind the delayed ban is that you aren't sure what exactly tripped VAC to ban you. It not working properly isn't even the issue, if VAC worked, it probabvly still wouldn't ban bots immediately anyway. VAC is basically like Valve in this case. It wont tell you shit, and will do something eventually. If you want a true to TF2 thing for this, look at cp_powerhouse. Sure the map isn't a good mirror. But powerhouse was supposed to be the 7th map on release. The dev who made it left the TF2 team before release. In 2015 he decided to finish his map and release it. Again, not a great map, but that's literally how Valve works. Eventually they do something, but you don't hear about it until they do. It's just people like to shit on valve for them essentially seemingly sitting on their ass, when the truth is that they do a lot of things that either they don't comment about, or things that just end up nowhere. As an example, Half Life 2 Episode 3 / Half Life 3. It's been announced as being a thing since 2007. Valve isn't telling you that they are working on the game. Yet we know they are due to either some people speaking up about it, or just Half-Life Alyx basically retkonning the ending of EP2. It's just the stuff they come up with either gets scrapped, or there are creative differences and it just doesn't happen, because Valve isn't telling their employees to work on specific things by default. From my point of view, people act like Valve changed, when they really have always been the way they are. It is nothing to be surprised about.
@CodecrafterArtemis
4 ай бұрын
@@ChizuruMinamoto > Valve doesn't like treadmills Cry me a river. I don't care what they "like", it's their responsibility to support a game *from which they're still making money.* > Something something Valve just doesn't tell My friend, it's been 2 years since the original "save TF2". Outside of, like, the first wave of manual bans (when I guess *someone* at Valve went onto a treadmill) there's been no evidence that Valve has made any effort at all.
@ChizuruMinamoto
4 ай бұрын
@@CodecrafterArtemis "It's been 2 years since the original post" Bro, do you know how Valve works? ARE YOU SURPRISED BY IT? Cause I'm not. And yes, there is no evidence, we just know they hired an external contractor to work on it, and Gabe himself said at one point that they are aware of it, and are exploring things. But you also don't have any proof that they in fact aren't doing shit about it, do you? Do you expect Valve, a company that already doesn't communicate on anything, to tell what they are doing? You're delusional... Also it is their responsability? Yes. But you're talking about Valve. Valve isn't known to do shit until they have to. For example, why did Valve mute all F2P players. The reason? Because people took the fact that the bots were spewing insults to news outlet, most people are too stupid to mute the bots (which mutes both voice and text chat), and they didn't have a magic solution to remove the bots. So to avoid bullshit drama that would literally lead to nothing at all since they didn't have a magic solution, they did the best solution on the spot : prevent the bots from talking in the first place. Is it fair to F2P? No. Do you have a better idea? Because if you're gonna say "it's easy just do this", then go ahead, fix it... See if that works... I'm not saying that they wont fix it if we don't piss them off. But you'll probably get a response from them from it, because they have to at one point... but don't expect FixTF2 to magically fix the game... If Valve doesn't have a solution ready, it wont be fixed in the minute. Also I'll edit this, the treadmill work here would be to essentially have employees forced to basically ban the bots manually. You wanna know why it is a treadmill? Because the bots can be created just as fast as you're banning them. It's at best just gonna postpone the problem ever so slightly... Do you think anyone, not just at valve, outright anyone wants to do this all day of the week? Because that's the only applicable solution to the bot problem currently. Nobody will want to do this shit, except like people living in south american countries, since they are already paid to auto-complete captchas I guess... But that isn't a normal job, that's modern day slavery.
@CodecrafterArtemis
4 ай бұрын
@@ChizuruMinamoto Except muting F2Ps did nothing to prevent bots from talking, obviously. And yeah, they hired a contractor. And we don't know if he ever did anything to fix the bot problem other than manually banning a bunch of bots. Which just came back anyway. And "go ahead and fix it"? Sure, just give me $10 mil a year and I'll bust my ass off to get a fix, or to get someone to fix it. Yeah, Valve works like that, Valve doesn't care. Which is why we're in this mess in the first place.
@Lawlz4Dayzz
4 ай бұрын
Valve's neglect continuing is the most likely option because we cannot force them to work on a game they dont want to so we have to force them to by becoming apart of Valve and working on TF2 from the inside out.
@purplehaze2358
4 ай бұрын
It's highly unlikely that Valve will shut down TF2's servers. That would be _erasing_ hundreds of millions of dollars' worth of the playerbase's virtual property that they paid real money for; that would raise a frankly obscene amount of both communal and legal bedlam.
@LordOfDegeneracy
4 ай бұрын
the only uncertainty with them simply shutting the game down is that that essentially deletes an entire economy which wouldn't bode well for CS or any future valve games wt an economy
@Lawlz4Dayzz
4 ай бұрын
Actually, boycotting could have the opposite effect to show Valve how much money they make from bot hosting where they have accounts that have to buy P2P status and get unusuals to somewhat blend in every few months after getting banned.
@doctormedic2682
4 ай бұрын
I agree that these are the likely three outcomes. Anything else would come out of left field. I say of the listed outcomes it’s about 10%, 85%, 5% in order. While it may not “fix tf2”, I’m hoping at the very minimum it brings awareness to valves values. TF2 is getting the brunt of the neglect because of its age, but if we don’t call valve out, eventually other valve games will feel it just as much. I get the feeling some of Valve game communities don’t understand this. As for shutting down the servers? I could see them possibly shutting down official servers, but even that is unlikely. Doing that would be a bad look. “Hey, some people on the internet called us out for our BS, let’s pack up and shut down this Titan of a game that set the groundwork for many games to come after.” We wouldn’t need a second fix tf2. One 10x the strength would just happen
@perryli9229
4 ай бұрын
What future videos do you plan to make?
@DoctorRose
4 ай бұрын
3 times in a row. I don’t know whether to be impressed or disappointed.
@lukaspodany5210
4 ай бұрын
I have an idea for Valve : make Team Fortress 3 on source 2 with the new Ani-cheat and it will be done.
@randomalt9617
4 ай бұрын
Thing is with the final option is that community servers aren't the answer as 1. there currently isn't a high enough volume of them to meet demands 2. they have a wild variety from pseudo-comp (Uncletopia) to stupid casual (Insta-respawn servers) to not even "real" TF2 (trade servers). Admittedly, it's better than having no lifeline, but it is essentially auxiliary power to TF2, the generator you use to keep your house powered during a storm. And I fear that with time the community servers may have to shut down one way or another.
@LicheyLost
4 ай бұрын
I have another possibility in mind, Valve does nothing and we suffer, that is untill Deadlock releases and it _also_ gets botted and Valve is finnaly (maybe) willing to do treadmill work to it and other games.
@Bootman43
4 ай бұрын
if they shut down tf2 it would get rid of the ecom which would set people in a panic, and hurt the csgo ecom which gives valve lots of money
@catkook543
4 ай бұрын
The thing about valve shutting down tf2 in response to a protest. they kinda cant well sure they cannnnnnnn but if they do IMMEDIATE disaster, the economy across ALL of steam IMMIDITLY is destroyed as valve shows you down own ANYTHING then there would likely be a massive class action law suit
@GFCOLCQuote
4 ай бұрын
I dont think its the fact theyd lose money from closing the servers, but rather cause an uproar because of how much money people HAVE in tf2.
@Boonetube27
4 ай бұрын
4:29 The way I see that "third" possibility is that it realistically cannot happen. To me its not the financial backlash from shutting down tf2, its the public one. "Expansive Game Company Removes 17 Year Old Game due to Negligence" Think about how that'd effect CS2, whatever new game they're rumored to be making, Steam itself.
@catfish3351
4 ай бұрын
The other thing a lot of people don't consider is that actually getting rid of the bots (like deleting or locking the accounts/making it impossible to bot) will have some pretty unavoidable negative impacts. First, bots make up a huge percentage of playerbase, without them it will finnaly accurately reflect TF2s actual playerbase. Which will show the decline of the playerbase overall, there may be an uptick in players once its fixed but it probably will be a huge loss either way. Second, the bot backpack items will either be need to be destroyed or locked to prevent the economy from crashing. This will also probably cause some negative impacts to people even with legitimate items as the prices and rarity of items will be impacted greatly. Unfortunately think there's a solution that doesnt end up bitter sweet for the community and the lifespan of the game :/
@mahuba2553
4 ай бұрын
bringing back quickplay would fix half the issue, giving freedom of choice to the players to pick whatever server they want, allowing them to spectate again, or changing teams, basically pre meet your match, that shit flopped even when it came out, and it just made the autonomous process of hosting bots even easier
@groundedbeef727
4 ай бұрын
I do want to say that the backlash from shutting down tf2 would hurt valve alot more than not doing anything.
@free4fire
4 ай бұрын
I just hope that in case this attempt fails as well that round 3 will just ignore Valve and actually go for the botters directly, they've proven that they have no morals so quite frankly the people affected by their actions shouldn't be held back by any either. An eye for an eye with some interest on top.
@tytotech9498
4 ай бұрын
Honestly after a certain point the TF2 Community might just have to ban together and make a new game that has everything TF2 has that other games lack. Either make competition to kick valve into gear, or just have an alternative to what we miss. Yeah it won't have the characters or general copyrighted content we love but at least it'll be fun and we can make new characters. Idk I'm a game dev so my first thought is always "What if I made a game for this" lol. Edit: Or honestly I'd want them to remaster team fortress if the spagetti code is really that bad. If they can't fix it how it is, remake it.
@alakabambram8436
4 ай бұрын
The main issue with the community servers right now is that finding one as a new player is overwhelming and the servers are usually just fun dick around servers or try hard servers. Its hard to find a good casual server with actual casual players.
@ThatPenguin
4 ай бұрын
gonna go dust off the ol´ ds to send a PictoChat
@JacobNGames
4 ай бұрын
Valve will never shut down Team Fortress 2, the GLOBAL outrage that this would cause would be absolutely catastrophic for their reputation and at this point for that reason as well as its economy they wouldn't dare take that risk. I do believe a TF2 boycott is indeed necessary.
@CodeEleven_86
4 ай бұрын
I very agree with your opinion. Realistically if only petition and hashtag, very little chance this will be heard or might won't be heard at all. The only realistic way to see it work is a direct hit towards the game or valve, such as reviewbombing(which will affect the game sales long term) and stop buying mtx.
@dracoledraconoligist
4 ай бұрын
Valve obviously can’t fix this problem in a day (or permanently at all), but the only place to start and see if any of this would work is by actually giving the game some attention, which might take a while
@tristama_youtube
4 ай бұрын
i saw another video saying that shutting down tf2 would basically be suicide for the steam market. They make money hand over fist from games like Counterstrike and the economy of in game items there. Shutting down tf2 and making the CSGO players realize their digital items could just go away whenever Valve feels like it would kill that games economy too, and further hurt their income and reputation.
@onlymyself1234
4 ай бұрын
The financial hit of shutting down TF2 wouldn't be immediately felt, but openly revealing that people's digital goods that they paid thousands for are imaginary and can get Thanos snapped at any moment instantly destroying everything they built is gonna have huge repercussions on the steam marketplace. Everyone will hate it, CS players and DotA players will be utterly enraged.
@Dragonmist19X
4 ай бұрын
I feel like if option 3 does happen things would get so much worse for Valve. Some other videos have brought it up as a potential while at the same time bringing up how despite the fact Valve is a multi billion dollar studio, TF2 does still make them a lot of money and it shutting down would lose a lot of profits, but more importantly show people that play their other games like CSGO that Valve isn't afraid to shut down their game if their profits dip despite there being a clear issue why, likely snowballing it into a huge issue for them. One could make the argument for TF2, but what if the same thing was done with a game as massive as CSGO?
@totem311
4 ай бұрын
If valve shut down their servers, their entire company would go under, there is no way they'd risk it.
@elfascisto6549
4 ай бұрын
Let's see how long #fixtf2 keeps going until reality kicks in and people give up
@crack-man4071
4 ай бұрын
Imagine if cs2 and tf2 community fought together 😭😭😭
@The_Pope_real
4 ай бұрын
Btw, it's 225K for the petition now
@ThePhantom9495
4 ай бұрын
You know, you're first person I've seen acknowledge Valve shutting down servers as an actual possibility.
@SGT_Squid_Dog
4 ай бұрын
Valve will do absolutely nothing. In fact, if this gets too popular, they might just completely abandon/shut down servers for a while to try and show that they are the ones really in control
@strayorion2031
4 ай бұрын
Even if we get nothing, I hope we can leave a stain on valve's reputation, valve really does care about their pr, and I think that's the only thing we can attack right now, as you said, tf2 doesn't bring the big money, but I think making the general public lose trust on valve as a game company, even if a little, would be a achievement for the movement, make people know valve likes to neglect their games
@sudiiskevvejfkdbs
4 ай бұрын
lol send a pictochat or what ever its called again killed me. Habe not heard that in 15 years
@Pokemonmovemaster
4 ай бұрын
"A multibillion dollar company should be able to make a functional anticheat." CS2 fans watching as VAC Live banwaves do nothing:
@DodgeThatAttack
4 ай бұрын
sure, in the grand scheme, valve wont lose much money from a tf2 shop boycott, but that _is_ a source of income they would like to have as a company - especially since its one of the main motivators to keep the game running. and since they cant realistically close down the game now, they wouldnt particularly like to have a source of passive income barely producing
@1mariomaniac
4 ай бұрын
We're already up to 235,543 names!
@PlatinumAltaria
4 ай бұрын
I still think that if Valve doesn't want to develop the game themselves they could hand things over to a community development team. They would get all the money with zero work required.
@Ang3lUki
4 ай бұрын
If in 2 years we get #fucktf2 the cycle will be complete
@vampiredolly
4 ай бұрын
Commenting for algo so I'll just say u have a rly nice voice
@CodecrafterArtemis
4 ай бұрын
Even if Valve closes TF2, I think it'll be preferable to its current state (although obviously still worse than fixing it). That way, at least they won't get any money from their perpetuate not-legally-gambling machine.
@gildedshieldproductions6901
4 ай бұрын
I dont think valve can shut tf2 down. If they do then the economy would halt and this would lead to the realization that players can lose their items value at any point in time. This would then impact cs2 item sales and economy.
@Mcl_Blue
4 ай бұрын
There is a 0% chance Valve will shut down TF2 as a result of this movement.
@hellou667thesequel5
4 ай бұрын
Valve literally cant shut down tf2 EVER because of all the money people spent on Unusuals taking away the game means taking away the items they spent thousands on. This would ruin their reputation and may even cause legal action and lawsuits lmao
@xXSimplySammyXx
4 ай бұрын
Thank you for making this video! #FixTF2 #SaveTF2
@TheCrappyCompletionist2
4 ай бұрын
Honestly, I'd be OK with valve shutting down casual. Just keep the item servers alive, and maybe revamp the server browser - I'm sure the community would settle into a new norm and keep the game running on their own with community servers.
@realpatty
4 ай бұрын
I feel like if anything they need to address the movement just to set a good name before they release a new title
@zealoustome710
4 ай бұрын
Valve in all actuality doesn't really have much of a choice in the matter of fixing TF2, they can't shut it down either. If they do shut it down it'll tell the community that nothing they do matters and nothing in their inventories are truly theirs. It would damage Valve's reputation beyond repair and teach the community that buying anything from the community market is worthless. Therefore, they either have to get rid of the bots to fix the game, otherwise even games like CS2 will suffer in the long run. Perhaps Valve as a whole will suffer. Edit: I forgot to mention this, but refusing to tackle an issue of criminal activity (The Bot Hosters), by law can be seen as collaborating with them. Valve can be taken to court over this if they refuse to fix the game.
@ILUVAZK
4 ай бұрын
the easiest fix is literally to make Casual points earnable on coomunity servers and shutting the servers down
@Caragoner
4 ай бұрын
Honestly I think valve is too greedy to loose even the pennies TF2 brings in.
@MarsterTigermus
4 ай бұрын
Whats valve gonna do when they overwatch clone fails.
@BoeBins
4 ай бұрын
Drop it and pretend it never happened like Artifact
@tuefort957
4 ай бұрын
Look, People, please don't make this hard for yourselves. Please just accept the *harsh truth* instead; the game is at its *END* #AbandonTF2 Please accept and *move on* instead... We'll still have *TF2 Classic and *Open Fortress* to replace and *SUCCEED* TF2's legacy, you know
@ctrlaltdelicious_2
4 ай бұрын
bullshit man
@dracoledraconoligist
4 ай бұрын
“Like that’s ever gonna happen” - Shrek This community is WAY too persistent to stop, and I’m not sure if that’s a good or a bad thing
@drakath5727
4 ай бұрын
I see the most likely answer is Valve doing absolutely nothing, not even acknowledging the problem. The more they acknowledge it, the more people notice it, as shown with last time's tweet. Shutting it down is unreasonable as it costs them nothing to keep the servers up compared to the massive hit to their already dwindling reputation that shutting down the servers would cause. The only way, and ONLY way anything is going to be done is if we take matters into the law and try and get those scumbags to consider valve accomplice to the doxxing, DDoSing and swatting the bot hosters have done. There is no alternative course of action, passive protests do not work and they're just going to try and let FixTF2 blow over like a night's bad storm before Deadlock drops.
@iammonke5970
4 ай бұрын
Valve is trying to kill this game with their neglect, but the TF2 community does not give it permission to die! Keeping pushing that cart lads, don’t stop until the day these bots are gone. #FixTF2
@MyViolador
4 ай бұрын
So... we gonna go and do a "area 51 raid" to valve ?
@baronzad2056
4 ай бұрын
I can detect bots better than any AI so i think valve should hire me as a bot-hunter methinks
@Sussylizzy92
4 ай бұрын
The thing is that it isn't only tf2. Outside of CSGO I'm fairly sure most valve multiplayer online games use vac. AND Even CSGO with its slightly better anticheat still has cheaters and bots. Valves newest released multiplayer game CS2 already has bot farms, if valve doesn't bother improving VAC, or using another anticheat, every valve multiplayer game should be considered dead on arrival, since valve anti cheat simply does not function.
@Lautox_The_Heavy
4 ай бұрын
I do agree with a lot but Valve would not shut down TF2. Simply for the reason that there is an entire economy revolving the game, and people have thousands of dollars in ther inventories. This would make valve loose credibility and affect other games like CsGo when people know that their million dollar skin can just be deleted whenever valve wants. (not that they dont know already) but it would make it a way more present issue. Anyways Nice vid!!
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