I've done a lot of shunting over the years, and all of it was with somebody on the ground calling me forward via a radio or handsignals. Even on a loco with excellent visibility on both directions where you can see the buffers at each end from the drivers seat, and then on to unoccupied wagons or coaches. So I'm very surprised that FS was allowed to back onto an occupied train in a public access space with no ground shunter. We would not be allowed to do that at our depots, much less on a running line with passengers. This time, there was a rough shunt, which is what a 7mph collision is, albeit a very serious one. However, the driver couldn't have known if there was anybody in the 4ft, which would have turned this into tragedy. I've driven large tender locos, and visibility is poor in both directions, although the Bulleid tender is better than Scotsmans in this regard. With that many people in the cab, as well as somebody who was going to have to go in and couple up, it amazes me that nobody was designated as ground shunter to call the loco on.
@nounoufriend1442
6 күн бұрын
Your dead right what took place was appalling , hope its a wake up call for them , done loads of shunting "Diesel " and if we where propelling something size of tender we would have someone on the ground controlling move . Also our rules dictated if we where going on to a train we had to stop 2 meters short then go onto train
@colinonbike
6 күн бұрын
My first response was where was the shunter? Particularly coupling to a train with passengers
@gordondudman240
6 күн бұрын
I think the issue comes down to ‘organisation’ it has the feel that there was no one individual ‘in-charge’ especially during shunting moves.
@edwinfitchett6033
5 күн бұрын
The train guard should have been calling the flying moneypit on. All heritage railways are still expected to operate to national safety standards
@peterbustin2683
5 күн бұрын
6 people on the cab ?? Madness !! This reeks of "I wanna be on the footplate.." I can hear them squabbling. Great review. Subbed.
@chewyfoks1840
5 күн бұрын
Yes, these steam locos always have people in the cab mugging for the cameras. Too many in the cab usually,
@GreenSignals
4 күн бұрын
Thanks for the sub! Welcome aboard (though we are strict on the numbers in the cab 😊)
@kennethstretton5308
6 күн бұрын
happy 50th Nigel and Richard i do look forward to you show
@GreenSignals
5 күн бұрын
Thats very kind, Kenneth. Thanks!
@ipcress1066
14 сағат бұрын
Congrats on 50 and hopefully many more to come. I'm struggling. I've always been pro-HS2 and the Colne Valley viaduct can actually be seen from my mum and dad's garden, which means I been driving around the whole place seeing what's been going on. I'm struggling because the cost of all this, paid for by us taxpayers is... well it's hard to find a suitable word, gargantuan would seem to be an understatement. The "factory" the chap mentions to make the concrete components is more like a town; massive steel buildings, offices, water treatment plant, roads, kerbs, pavements, drainage, car parks, street lighting, it dominates the skyline at the end of the road from my mum and dad's house, you'd be mistaken for thinking it was built to last 100 years - which it probably would, but the whole thing, every last concrete slab, nut and bolt, bit of tarmac, fence post, and paving slab has to be ripped up when the land is to be returned to chalk downland. Sorry I just can't believe that makes any sense, other sections of the line have concrete components made in permanent facilities far away from the railway so why go through the colossal expense of building "concrete town" only for the whole thing to be ripped down later on. Could be be that nice cost-plus contract is a nice little earner for someone?
@robg3545
6 күн бұрын
This is whats called Crew Resource Management in the aviation world. Its about how a pilot in command and other flight crew deal with each other and the safe operation of the aircraft. Its about sticking to tried and trusted procedures and professionalism. So if youre in command of a couple of hundred tons of moving machinery, professional is what you need to be, heritage rail or not.
@IBLRG
5 күн бұрын
Hello from us all at the Independent Brigg Line Rail Group. Absolutely fantastic interview with Ian Prosser, we had the pleasure of Ian visiting the Brigg Line a few years ago to visit a location where Network Rail were going to remove a perfectly safe foot crossing at a station. We wish the gentlemen all the best in the future.
@GreenSignals
5 күн бұрын
Thanks ever so much once again. And yes, the interview with Ian Prosser was a real highlight - glad you thought so too.
@cycler666
6 күн бұрын
Congratulations on the 50th episode. Every episode seems to get more interesting. Well done to the green signals team!
@GreenSignals
5 күн бұрын
You're very kind - we certainly hope so!
@paulroberts9570
6 күн бұрын
Another great informative eposide well done on reaching 50 look forward to Thursdays every week
@GreenSignals
5 күн бұрын
Brilliant, thanks Paul!
@duck1946
3 күн бұрын
Excellent series,keep up the good work!
@grahamwebster9937
2 күн бұрын
Excellent series of podcasts - it's like chatting about my favourite subject (all things railways) with a couple of old friends with similar interests and values to myself
@GreenSignals
Күн бұрын
What a fantastic way to describe it and exactly the kind of feel we want to achieve.
@johnarnold7870
6 күн бұрын
Another great episode and I loved the tantalising teaser of even better to come - you’ve set yourselves a high bar there to clear
@GreenSignals
5 күн бұрын
Thanks John. We may have set the bar high, but we're still confident we can clear it!
@nigelgiles902
Күн бұрын
Congratulations on reaching the 50th milestone. In the last year you have covered such a wide range of topics which have been presented with such professionalism. Working in the industry myself, you are my "go to" place for comment. I only wish more media representatives (and program makers) do the same and contact you for "fact checking / comment". I'd be interested to hear your comments on two BBC TV programs this week, namely "The NightSleeper 😂" and "Panorama".
@locomotionlotion779
6 күн бұрын
As a freight driver, I can't see why the Scotsman crew aren't putting someone in the tender (either with the corridor door open or closed, there's a window) with a back to back radio. For me, there's no excuse for not doing it. Nobody should be looking down the side of the tender, it's sloppy and outdated railwaymanship. Assumptions were made because there wasn't a competent person at the back of the train (in this case, locomotive), with a radio. It's basic. Also, if they want a professional driver to come and drive Flying Scotsman, that wouldn't allow this sort of thing to happen, someone tell them to give me a call. I have no idea how these opportunities even come up! Wink wink, nudge nudge. 17:50 - ABSOLUTELY. 52:54 - The overheads still won't be capable of powering freight. It's very backward, fitting it on the cheap has been a false economy on the Midland.
@nathantutty7454
6 күн бұрын
I do see were your coming from with this but in normal case you must not have anyone in a locomotive tender. Driving on heritage railways locomotives "tender first" is the practice. Proven and safe. Locomotives running "tender first" on the mainline max speed 45mph, In this situation it it's clear that a number of factors lead to the incident. Being a freight driver, surely you've driven a snowplough? It's the same thing - fun fact those vehicles are ex steam loco tenders! As ever happy to organise a footplate experience to our fellow modern non steam people!
@locomotionlotion779
5 күн бұрын
@@nathantutty7454 surely they can allow someone into the tender for shunting purposes? Especially if it has a window at the back (which I think the Scotsman one does). That’s got to be a safer alternative than looking back along the side of a full height vehicle, as in the A3’s case. The tender first running doesn’t seem too bad when the tender body isn’t a full height vehicle. However, I don’t think I’d be happily driving any loco with another full height vehicle blocking my view. It’s not the same as looking along the boiler. It’s pretty rare to see ploughs now. I drive on the MML, I’m not even sure that there’s a dedicated set. I don’t think they’re all the same either, I’ve seen a set at Tonbridge, which are apparently made from a Peak bogie. It also had a cab in the plough, so a spotter could talk to the driver in the locomotive with a radio. Now then… who would I contact to see about that fantastic offer? I’ve put my hat in the ring to offer my services as a route conductor before, but naught came of it.
@nounoufriend1442
5 күн бұрын
@@locomotionlotion779 I agree going onto a train should have someone on ground controlling move with radio or hand signals . We where always supposed to stop 2 meters off train before going onto train
@locomotionlotion779
5 күн бұрын
@@nounoufriend1442 still standard practice today. In fact, (I’m not Class 1) I think it’s 2 metres, then 2 feet, then buffer up to coaching stock. Obviously the operators individual codes of practice differ.
@nounoufriend1442
5 күн бұрын
@@locomotionlotion779 Been on Freight since privatization so lost touch with passenger but we where 2 meters . Nearly all mainline passenger is now multiple units , daughter was on one of last loco hauled she drove 68's for TPE . Obviously heritage traction and steam are loco hauled but they seem to make up their own rules !
@citled
2 күн бұрын
A viaduct that gets little recognition that has been around for a very long time is the London & Greenwich Railways viaduct from Deptford to London Bridge. This marvel of construction, whilst mostly hidden by adjacent extensions, has carried more trains than it was ever built for. It lacks the architectual lustre of the Ouse Viaduct but has slightly more arches at over 800+.
@GreenSignals
12 сағат бұрын
It’s absolutely amazing, I agree. Interestingly, Wikipedia (who one should always take with a massive pinch of salt) claims it’s 19 viaducts with interconnecting road bridges! Intriguing…..
@gzk6nk
6 күн бұрын
Concorde's 'on the ground' length of 204 feet actually expanded by about 7 inches in Mach 2 cruise. The paint was specially developed to accommodate this and of course would itself expand to some extent as it got hot. However, such items as fuel lines and electric cables which are of course inside the aeroplane so did not expand, had to take account of the airframe's thermal expansion. The temperature rise was not due to air friction, as is often mistakenly stated, but was dynamic heating caused by the compressed (and therefore heated) air in the shock wave on the nose heating up the structure. It is this shock wave, together the second one off the tail, which gave rise to the double 'sonic boom' which restricted Concorde to travelling supersonic only over the sea. The maximum allowable skin temperature, as measured on the nose (the hottest part), was 127degrees C. This was displayed on a cockpit instrument to the pilots and the TMO of 127 degrees is what determined Concorde's maximum cruise speed. If the outside air temperature was colder the aircraft could go faster before approaching TMO, if it was warmer it could not go as fast. Consequently on some days crossing the North Atlantic (where the upper air tends to be warmer) to the USA you might not see Mach 2, maybe only Mach 1.8 or thereabouts. But if going to Barbados (a summer Concorde destination) the tropical air at Concorde's 60,000 foot cruise altitude would paradoxically be colder, and Mach 2.02 (the structural max allowable speed) would be guaranteed! Vince Chadwick
@mikeuk4130
6 күн бұрын
The RAIB report doesn't even mention, if I remember correctly, the notion of the Railway's possible provision of a Shunter to control the movement! I wonder why that is. Furthermore, the idea of backing a steam loco onto an observation carriage with an open verandah with people standing on it is itself truly horrendous. This whole incident was very sloppy indeed on the part of the Railway. At least we can be cheered by the action taken by the SRC to ensure that its wine bottles will now be stored more securely.
@JohnSmith-xi3sq
6 күн бұрын
It’s a good job there wasn’t a shunter in the way because without observers on both side of the loco the shunter wouldn’t have been seen?
@michaelmcnally2331
6 күн бұрын
@@JohnSmith-xi3sqNOBODY is stood on the tracks between a loco and the train when backing on. The shunter would have either been stood on the platform and been in communication or stood to the side away from the track the loco would go down.
@nounoufriend1442
6 күн бұрын
@@JohnSmith-xi3sq If we were shunting without radios shunter would stand in a position were they could observe the move and driver could see shunter , if we lost the view of shunter we would stop . These where the shunting rules also you would expect appropriate hand signals from shunter and expect to be stopped 2 meters off the train before going onto train dead slow
@jenniferhoughton6837
6 күн бұрын
I was surprised there wasn't more discussion on the security of furniture and loose items inside the carriage in the report as there was surely the potential for further injuries except for luck, but I guess the scope of investigation didn't cover it.
@grenfellroad8394
5 күн бұрын
When the GWML was electrified around 2017, we had the same issue with speed limits between Airport Junction at Hayes and Paddington station. That part of the OLE was built around 1996 for the Heathrow Express services to (you guessed it) Heathrow Airport, and rated for 100mph running. Along come the IETs and Class 387 Electrostars, rated for 125mph and 110mph respectively. The old OLE had to be re-tensioned to allow these new trains to achieve their potential. The 387s were restricted to 100 for quite a work was carried out due to the closeness of the pantographs and the wave effect that is created in the wires at speed. We have had a number of issues since then with the old OLE, and there are plans to replace it over time to the standard of the rest of the GWML. I’m sure Network Rail will sort the Midland issues in a similar way.
@GreenSignals
4 күн бұрын
Thanks. Excellent points!
@cathybrind2381
6 күн бұрын
I remember visiting a preserved line and they were keen to get me to assist the bus to back up in the car park let alone worry about train movements. Strathspey could have learnt a thing or two.
@robertwalsh1724
3 күн бұрын
Thanks!
@GreenSignals
2 күн бұрын
Thanks very much!
@michaelmcnally2331
6 күн бұрын
Was shocked that the report said no one was guiding the driver. My dad was a passed driver in BR steam days and involved with a fair number of steam preserved railways and when he was backing on then if could not see then he stopped till someone was agreed that would be in place to assist him backing onto the train. As the driver he understood it was his responsibility to ensure the safety of the crew, locomotive and the train with its passengers. I wander how much of the celebrity engine status had to do with their being 6 people in the cab, and people wanting the footplate ride so could say had footplate ride on flying Scotsman. With the people that reported on there then really no excuse for that number of people on there and the rules overlooked as was a chance to footplate ride on flying Scotsman.
@AndrésMahou
6 күн бұрын
Even with a bus you should have a banksman
@Goldenoldie49
6 күн бұрын
With regard to the FS episode. The good thing is that no-one was seriously injured. After reading the RAIB report, it’s clear that the incident was caused by a number of causal factors. When all the “your fault, his fault, not my fault” furore has calmed down, the primary objective must be for all those bodies involved to put auditable processes and procedures in place to ensure that this does not happen again, either on main line or heritage railways. Safety must be paramount.
@rikrobson
5 күн бұрын
Well done on 50 episodes. The Colne valley viaduct is not quite yet a railway viaduct. its going to be, but there is not a railway over it yet
@GreenSignals
4 күн бұрын
Ok, but its purpose as a viaduct is for a railway so I think that’s fair in terms of describing it as a railway viaduct.
@cameronpatterson1045
6 күн бұрын
Hi from Glasgow Thanks for the Show I enjoy the program please please don't stop the Show Thanks again for Glasgow
@GreenSignals
5 күн бұрын
You are most welcome. Thanks!
@briannewton9283
5 күн бұрын
Well done all - I just can't believe that it's the 50th episode! 👍
@GreenSignals
4 күн бұрын
Extraordinary, isn’t it!
@briannewton9283
4 күн бұрын
It's amazing - the last 12 months have flown by!
@amazoniaamazonia7225
6 күн бұрын
Any amount of passengers in the cab will be a distraction and running round a loco in poor visibility needs 100% concentration, but at the end of the day the driver was in charge of the move and has to take responsibility for the sad results of this incident.
@gordondudman240
6 күн бұрын
Watching this at 4:30pm and you have already amassed 2k views!
@GreenSignals
5 күн бұрын
Would you believe that as of 23:30 it's just about to break through 8,400! The private numbers we see are slightly ahead of the public numbers - after a few days the public numbers catch up. But 8,400 - wow!
@gordondudman240
5 күн бұрын
@@GreenSignals that is amazing, well done guys.
@ml66b
6 күн бұрын
In BR days a preserved steam loco on the mainline was crewed by two drivers with route knowledge (one firing) , a traction inspector who stood back and took an overview/gave guidance AND managed any interference from the one owners rep who was allowed on the footplate. Nowadays it's a very different scenario. look at Wooton Bassett - 4 on the footplate and only one of them was potentially going to jail.
@michaelketteringham9417
6 күн бұрын
Surely there should have been someone on the ground guiding the driver back onto the coaches.
@ivorwhitecar
Сағат бұрын
As a train driver of 47 years I cannot understand why the Scotsman's move was not controlled by handsignals or back to back radios, and why was it doing 7 mph whilst doing a propelling move?
@ceanothus_bluemoon
5 күн бұрын
Another very good episode. Appalled that no-one seemed to be paying attention re. FS. as so much care is normally taken over these precious preserved engines. I hope the driver and fireman(if kept on) have had re-training at the very least. The CV viaduct is indeed impressive in terms of construction, though, comparing it to the news of the refurbishment of the beautiful Ouse Valley viaduct, it's(for me, and old arty farty), like looking at a dream compared to a nightmare. Victorian arched viaducts sit beautifully in the landscape, they compliment the surroundings, never sticking out like the proverbial sore thumb, and they can indeed be made of concrete and still look pretty damned good. Sadly from a design point of view, the 20th and 21st C seem to be the age of ugly, and having looked at the designs for other structures, my heart sank. If I might request something, would it be possible to look at women in the train industry, and on heritage railways. We need many more of them in engineering, driving, firing and every senior position, but the working environments need to be safe from misogyny and predatory behaviour. I enjoyed hearing from some women on London Underground (with Tim and Siddy, and the Hidden London team), so thought this might be an interesting subject.
@GreenSignals
4 күн бұрын
Thanks for those thoughts. Re FS, we’re hoping to get someone on the show to help us discuss the many comments that listeners have made following the show. All very interesting! Re the viaduct, I must admit, I rather like Colne Valley but I accept beauty is in the eye of the beholder! As for women in rail, absolutely! We have a plan to do just that. Watch this space!
@edwinsinclair9853
4 күн бұрын
Often over here in the states, you'll hear a train worker on the radio talking to the engineer especially on reverse moves giving the distance to a coupling. For example, you'll hear 5 cars, 4 cars, etc. They usually stop just short of the actual coupling. There's always someone on the ground or in close proximity to visually observe the coupling.
@nathantutty7454
6 күн бұрын
Great video as always. Footplate wise I cannot think of any heritage railway which would allow more than 4 persons on the footplate....
@GreenSignals
5 күн бұрын
Thanks Nathan
@johncamp2567
3 күн бұрын
Congratulations on your 50th Episode! (new subscriber, Virginia)
@GreenSignals
2 күн бұрын
Thanks John and glad to have you with us!
@paulroberts9570
6 күн бұрын
Thanks
@GreenSignals
5 күн бұрын
Thanks Paul. That's very kind and much appreciated.
@bob23301
5 күн бұрын
I worked for 20 years in the peeway and this reminded me of every time i saw a train derailing itself in the yards was because the did not wait for a ground shunter to appear, and the few times a train backed into another train...............every single time.
@GuyChapman
5 күн бұрын
My wife used to work for Tony Marchington. One of the men bankrupted by Scotsman. Bought it with the proceeds of OXMOL IPO the day our eldest was born
@GreenSignals
4 күн бұрын
Great connection - thanks!
@gordondudman240
6 күн бұрын
Fanfare for the Common Man should be credited to Aaron Copland, EL&P are merely the artists!
@GreenSignals
6 күн бұрын
Ah, but I was careful to say ELP's Fanfare for the Common (as in their version / arrangement) and not Fanfare for the Common man by ELP. Clearly the original was composed by Copland. Here's a question for you (without using Google!). Which other important work by Copland used that same theme? He wasn't averse to 'sampling' his own melodies!
@gordondudman240
5 күн бұрын
@@GreenSignals I’d have to,pass on that one, but I do know that John Williams nicked a bit for the open parts of his Superman theme!
@royluxford2925
6 күн бұрын
From what I saw on film there was no one ie shunter guiding the move from the platform.
@angusswanson5984
6 күн бұрын
Colne valley viaduct was great. Was it telling that the engineer did not appear to know what was next for him? What a shame that those engineering skills and expertise risk being lost now that the HS2 programme is cancelled, meaning any future mobilisation will be more expensive than necessary. This ‘boom and bust’ approach has plagued engineering for as long as I care to mention.
@GreenSignals
5 күн бұрын
I think he was just been careful and anyway, there's quite a bit to do on the viaduct still. Agree that we must get out of the cycle of boom and bust however.
@cliffpeters3766
5 күн бұрын
Another great, milestone episode, congratulations. However, I have spotted a disturbing trend. Specifically, segments filmed outside Nigel's pub. How can you have a chat at a pub without a pint in front of you? It just feels wrong. Will be watching to see this rectified! :-)
@GreenSignals
4 күн бұрын
An extremely insightful comment. However, since we are talking about railways, we decided that when in duty, we would be very disciplined - which we were. After we’d finished recording however, I can’t promise that we didn’t have a beer…….
@andrewwilkinson3022
2 күн бұрын
Great episode again but please use miles not kilometers
@GreenSignals
12 сағат бұрын
I confess it’s one thing that I think is a bit mad - that the UK has still not adopted the metric system in its entirety. Don’t you think it would make life so much easier in so many ways. Still, nothing like a bit of controversy for a Wednesday morning 😊 Glad you enjoyed the show!
@andrewwilkinson3022
12 сағат бұрын
@GreenSignals I picture miles in my head but kilometers no idea 🤣
@davidcook380
5 күн бұрын
Great Video Guys
@GreenSignals
5 күн бұрын
Thanks David, glad you enjoyed it.
@duncanrogers5762
6 күн бұрын
Very good Duncan
@GreenSignals
5 күн бұрын
Cheers!
@fatwalletboy2
6 күн бұрын
Nigel at 17.25.....this absolutely. By the way Nigel and Richard you make such a great duo....its like listening to two mates over a pint down the pub. Keep up the great content and banter. Must be fantastic to work on a single project from cradle to grave and witness the final piece go in......but despite it being the new kid as the longest Im afraid it cant hold a candle to the vista you get approaching or going over the Tay bridge. Tech question for the next edition of Green Signals....slotting that final segment in, how is it connected either side?
@GreenSignals
5 күн бұрын
That's so kind! Thanks - we always wanted to create the sense of an informal conversation hat folks could join in with, and it sounds like we have succeeded! Re the viaduct, I believe the join is cast in situ. Cheers
@philipholt9112
3 күн бұрын
My name is Phil i did 50yrs on the footplate in 1961 and I finished in 2011 .But in 1973 i fired the Flying Scotman from Manchester Victoria to Derby works Regard Phil.
@GreenSignals
2 күн бұрын
Wow, what a real honour and a fantastic career achievement.
@philipholt9112
2 күн бұрын
@@GreenSignals Thanks for that i enjoyed it Regards Phil.
@johng5474
6 күн бұрын
Regarding HS2, it's a pity that we don't have as high quality of political leadership as we do engineers.
@GreenSignals
5 күн бұрын
Couldn't possibly comment.....! 😬
@LadySophieofHougunManor7325
5 күн бұрын
Hi guys fantastic your both legendary
@GreenSignals
5 күн бұрын
Thanks, you're far too kind.
@jenniferhoughton6837
6 күн бұрын
There is the 3.45 miles (5.55 km) mile long London Bridge - Greenwich Railway Viaduct consisting of 851 semi-circular arches and 27 skew arches. I guess the question is when does a long viaduct become an elevated railway? en.wikipedia.org/wiki/London_Bridge_%E2%80%93_Greenwich_Railway_Viaduct
@tridentmusic5570
6 күн бұрын
Scotsman/ Aviemore/ Raib : Mr Harris, "Knob on". Next: I must commend on how you "Speak with people", Nigel. You have an inate warmth and humanity that so few aspire to., let alone comprehend. Didn't wish to make this an open statement-but I've no no other option! You are blessed, truly blessed. NOW ! CVV- - a bit of "Filler" still needed? At least "Prog Rock", Guys! - obviously still some "old farts" active out there............... Why ELP? -The only "listenable bit" of Aaron Copeland's original "FFFTCM" (*) was the first 22 notes...I.M."H" O ! ( *not intended to emulate Hannibal Lecter). Fabulous work, HS2. Ah ! "Greens for HS2" finally achieve BREXIT level majority. .Welcome to equivalent dissapointment and denigration, Guys and Gels, THAT was worth the effort, wasn't it.... . Another fine Quiz..I'm wondering if it's an example of "A Bridge too far", Hamish?...(At least, from the south side ? ) May have changed in the last 35 years of course, Must review my 80's RETB trials logs............FINALLY: Thank God for Green Signals.. My one weekly intelligent, lucid, rational , (almost sane) and factual release from the constant drip-feed of depression that is the daily news of Britain's governing lab rats..... and the World in general............ Goes down really well with a good dark strong beer and a pipe of Baccy. (Before they're both banned) THANK YOU . Don't let the bed bugs bite.
@petitnj
5 күн бұрын
Here in the US someone on point drives the train with the cab crew backing them up.
@little_britain
5 күн бұрын
Hmm - I wonder if on the south of Bedford section, the Aurora could accelerate to 100 mph on the wire, then lower the pantograph and switch to diesel. That would save a lot of fuel and polution, but still take full advantage of the train's speed capability.
@GreenSignals
4 күн бұрын
Another listener suggested the Aurora may not be rated to do 125 mile/h on diesel. We will need to check.
@Mookie1340
6 күн бұрын
In reference to the Scotsman crash, shouldn’t there be someone on the ground, where coupling happens?
@cliffleigh7450
4 күн бұрын
The owners rep was sitting in the fireman's seat so who else could keep a lookout on that side? From a lineside video he can be seen watching the carriages approach before the collision. By rights the fireman should have been there while the loco was reversing. And no one has asked why didn't the driver call out across the cab "all clear on your side?" as he went into a blind curve.
@tomwood9401
6 күн бұрын
In one of the most recent investigation in to the West Coast Railway running on Jacobite and locking doors on MK1’s they basically complained to ORR about the NYMR and the fact they use bolts for locking the doors and then ORR turned around and said that they are happy with the way the NYMR runs trains into Whitby etc.
@EricbryanStone-oh1uu
6 күн бұрын
Did Gareth Dennis make it clear to everyone what's going on last night?? Rumours gonna stop now? He mentioned this channel specifically and the gossip mongering going on
@gordondudman240
6 күн бұрын
There are several ways to support Gareth (he has some interesting merchandise on offer) but whilst I think he has been badly done by, it’s a battle he wishes to fight on his terms. We must allow him to do so.
@MrBubba59
4 күн бұрын
Puzzled as to why NR is not ready (Until next year) for the EMT new Hitachi trains south of Bedford. Did NR not know these were on order?
@robertsmith3672
4 күн бұрын
What was the comment on Joe Biden about ? Trump is the old fart and Kamala is the youngster
@mervynwells6577
Күн бұрын
With dash cameras being very small and fitted on cars these days to aid parking, could not they be discreetly fitted to locos and tenders and would they have helped to prevent the collision?
@grenfellroad8394
5 күн бұрын
Also, if these Midland trains are to run at 125 on diesel they’ll need to be uprated from the 800/802s on GWR that cannot achieve 125 on diesel.
@GreenSignals
4 күн бұрын
Thanks. EMR seem pretty confident the OLE upgrade will be complete in time for Aurora’s introduction.
@petermugridge27
2 күн бұрын
Those pictures of the class 810 interior... all extremely good, but there is one facepalm moment in them. Please... WHY oh WHY do they have a luggage stack across a window right next to a seat which is next to a pillar...?!?!?!? Swap them round, before it's too late...
@richardskelton5119
5 күн бұрын
I always thought the longest viaduct was the London and Greenwich Railway, which I suppose could also include the extension to Charring Cross All elevated from ground level until Greenwich?
@GreenSignals
4 күн бұрын
But is that a single viaduct or multiple viaducts to create an elevated railway?
@richardskelton5119
4 күн бұрын
@@GreenSignals where does it stop being a viaduct, to become multiple viaducts? Where does the elevated railway become a viaduct? What was the Liverpool Overhead Railway?
@paulbennett772
6 күн бұрын
Greetings! I've lived in 5 different houses within spitting distance of Darlington North Road station & it's still my nearest station. Can anyone beat that?
@andrewcowling5804
6 күн бұрын
Why wasn’t there a bandsman to watch the approach of the engine to the coaches. To slow the driver down. It’s done many times
@marionbloom1218
5 күн бұрын
Banksman? Don't think music would have helped!
@tantive4
6 күн бұрын
Really enjoyed the interview with Ian Prosser, a very knowledgeable railwayman. Was this recorded before the Euston crowd safety issues, and the Network Rail response, news broke?
@GreenSignals
6 күн бұрын
Yes, it was.
@tantive4
5 күн бұрын
@@GreenSignalsCheers for the confirmation!
@anthonypowell5665
6 күн бұрын
1st of Porterbrooks class 350/2's has been taken out of service there was an idea by porterbrook to fit batteries to them. If they could get 3rd rail shoes on them theyd be ideal for Reading to Gatwick Airport services
@lawrencejob
6 күн бұрын
I think it’s a really reasonable conclusion that the cause of the accident was an ambiguity of roles (and shouldn’t have happened). This has killed many a pilot - particularly when there’s someone senior in the organisation compared to the person responsible for the vehicle, leading the pilot/driver to feel that they can’t instruct who is effectively their boss). Aviation has CRM but since most trains have one person in the cab, there’s currently no good training to reinforce the correct behaviour. It’s unsatisfying compared to saying “the driver should have done X” but better for the industry to address why the driver didn’t feel like they could or should do X.
@edwinfitchett6033
5 күн бұрын
I would like to take issue with the idea that the flying moneypit was built in 1923. yes the original may have been but the current loco is essentially a new build incorporating a section of the original locos frames
@GreenSignals
4 күн бұрын
I suspect the Triggers Broom argument can be used for many a thing that has been restored / refurbished / rebuilt.
@fatwalletboy2
6 күн бұрын
Weird that the Bed-Pan knitting is only rated for 100mph. It looks the same as the ECML and northern WCML stuff.......
@GreenSignals
5 күн бұрын
I guess when it was installed, it was not expected to be used for greater than 100 mile/h any time soon.
@gorgu08
5 күн бұрын
The irony of the Green Party being against HS2
@lancashire-john
5 күн бұрын
I think it had a lot to do with the destruction of important habitat caused by construction of the route.
@lancashire-john
5 күн бұрын
Re. Concorde... More to the point, how on earth did they manage to measure it to know it was 11 inches longer?!
@GreenSignals
5 күн бұрын
A very good question!
@NewCityMedia
6 күн бұрын
Great episode! Excuse me for stating the obvious, or what my possibly naive brain considers so, and without any knowledge of the working practices of railway movements as described, surely there are (or certainly should be?) hard and fast rules governing such scenarios? For example, the simple and basic employment of a 'lookout' (in this case say the driver of the 37 at the rake of coaches) armed with a two-way radio linked to a two-way radio in possession of the driver of the Flying Scotsman, would easily have alleviated such an accident? The fact that the engine was on a curve and 'tender first' would surely have made that or a similar practise absolutely essential?
@gbphil
6 күн бұрын
Is there any mention of the Royal Scotsman carriages being stopped, with passengers on board, overhanging a passing track. That must be the prime causal link, allowing movement on an unclear and obstructed section of track. Whoever gave the Flying Scotsman permission to move was wrong! 😱😇
@staffordian
6 күн бұрын
FS wasn't on an adjacent track; it was attempting to couple up but didn't slow and stop as it approached the stock.
@gbphil
6 күн бұрын
@@staffordian so why was it mentioned there was a diesel attached at the end of the train thus making it longer than normal? If it was just coupling up, why wasn’t someone standing level with the observation coach to be coupled giving hand signals? Still sounds like a non-locomotive issue to me.
@staffordian
6 күн бұрын
@gbphil The class 37 diesel was on the other end of the coaching stock. Not sure, but I assume it had brought the carriages in from the mainline. There is a KZitem video showing the incident here kzitem.info/news/bejne/yIyIuGeEpHR6ioIsi=qNlJwJykHClx32WG
@gbphil
6 күн бұрын
@@staffordian thanks, I’ll check that out. I was aware of the location of the diesel. However it’s often a stipulation to have a modern engine attached to clear the mainline if the steam train breaks down. I’ve seen the Royal Scot twice, once on the Inverness to Kyle of Lochalsch line and the other on the Inverness to Edinburgh line. It’s pretty swanky and when I checked out the tour prices online, about £10,000 a ticket so I presume the injury claims stung a bit.
@neilbucknell9564
6 күн бұрын
Emmerson Lake & Palmer's "Fanfare for the Common Man"!!!!! (at 49-32) Nope - Aaron Copeland, young Richard.
@GreenSignals
6 күн бұрын
Ah, well he composed it in 1942 I think but the version played at Colne Valley was ELP's version of the piece from 1977 (Works Vol 1). So yes, you are correct it was Copland's piece but the version played was ELP's. Oh, and Pedant alert, it's Copland - not Copeland🤓
@EssexResident2000
6 күн бұрын
One has to wonder what Ian Prosser would have made had this interview taken place this week, in the same week the Jacobite was involved in a category A SPAD at Morar. Probably best not to dwell too much on the fact said operator is both cooking and freezing their customers
@julianroberts8760
6 күн бұрын
Spad at Morar? this week?
@TrevorElliot
2 күн бұрын
Trevor Elliot watching in Olympia Washington USA.
@GreenSignals
2 күн бұрын
Welcome Trevor!
@marionbloom1218
5 күн бұрын
You seem to ignore the basic procedure of having someone on the platform guiding the driver in the coupling process. It's easy, it's basic and it's (from my knowledge) more or less universal practice when coupling up. I haven't read the report, but it seems very odd to me if RAIB did not mention this.
@GreenSignals
4 күн бұрын
Quite a few have made this exact point. We’re going to try and get someone very experienced in these rules / regs / practices to come on the show to discuss.
@jonathandart3740
6 күн бұрын
I'm afraid I have to correct Richard's pronunciation of Bere in Bere Ferrers and Alston. It's pronounced like the fermented drink, beer.. I hope this won't provoke too much Schadenfreude from Nigel.
@GreenSignals
5 күн бұрын
Sorry Jonathan! It was one of those that as I said I thought to myself "Hmm, not sure that's right...." And so it turned out to be!
@little_britain
5 күн бұрын
I don't know why there wasn't a person at the coaches spotting for the train coming down, keeping an eye on the driver or fireman with a flag and whistle in hand.
@GreenSignals
4 күн бұрын
Plenty of people making this point. We plan to discuss on the show.
@mrcogginsgarage7062
6 күн бұрын
Maiden Newton where the driver gets the token from a machine in a little shed to the side of the platform.
@mikewright1607
5 күн бұрын
Isn't Maiden Newton a passing loop?
@paulbennett772
6 күн бұрын
Re 4472 incident - with correct signalling & vehicle separation, how can this happen?
@bretty453
6 күн бұрын
Vehicle separation by definition doesn't work if you're coupling up??
@bennythebrit
5 күн бұрын
With limited visibility, why didn’t the driver ask for someone to stand on the platform and guide him back?
@GreenSignals
4 күн бұрын
We’ll cover this in a show soon - lots of people making similar observations
@mikebni
Күн бұрын
As a heritage driver myself, if I can’t see clearly or don’t have a shunter, I stop. QED. This seems insane to me and our rulebook prohibits it.
@Adam-pk2te
6 күн бұрын
Quiz guess: Boston? To enter the port?
@mikewright1607
5 күн бұрын
Isn't that a junction, therefore there are sets of points nearby. Looking for single track with no sets of points.
@lancashire-john
5 күн бұрын
@@mikewright1607 I'd imagine it's the location of a former junction or passing loop, where the original tokens have remained in use rather than create new ones for the longer block section. However, I have no idea where that might be!
@MasterMoyle
6 күн бұрын
This is beyond a joke now what WCR are doing, either fit CDL or dual brake the steam locos & fit proper inside windows which can open a fraction to let fresh air in. Not forgetting the fitment of bars over the droplight windows.
@GreenSignals
5 күн бұрын
We're hoping for an update soon.
@Vamdua
3 күн бұрын
just the usual attitude of 10a of thinking they have a divine right to exist and think they can do whatever the heck they like on network rail metals regardless of regulations and of course people (mainly north of Crewe) will defend smithy as if he was a member of their own family (he's not leaving 10a to you in his will to yer mate). also they have a massive hate boner for lsl for dare existing.
@MasterMoyle
3 күн бұрын
@@Vamdua I'm not defending them, I'm saying they need to consider other loco owners needs as some loco owners like 45596's owners can't fit air brakes (insufficient time left on the boiler ticket which is 2027). They need income to cover it's next upcoming overhaul. This is why 34028's owners need to fit it with air brakes seeing as the rebuilt WC is now going to be mainline certified. Plus aswell as sorting out the MK1's they need to fit safety a window bar design like what Vintage Trains has unlike LSL's crap design where its a single diagonal bar as you can still get heads out. While we can't do droplight filming anymore we still want to hear the steam engine at work, these new style MK2's are sealed coffins and can get unbearable in the summer when it's hot as there's no Aircon. They've got income coming in for "The Jacobite" trains aswell as from Warner Bros for the hire of 4920 & 5972 to their attractions in London and Tokyo so can easily finance it. It's surely cheaper than buying 60 MK2D coaches.
@Vamdua
3 күн бұрын
@@MasterMoyle i was saying in general not singling you out
@julianroberts8760
6 күн бұрын
Fanfare for the Common Man is by Aaron Copland, Emerson Lake and Palmer plagiarised it. Original is in B flat, ELP version in C, as you have perfect pitch Richard you will be able to discern the difference! Think on this video it sounds like C!
@GreenSignals
6 күн бұрын
It is indeed by Copland. I'm not sure one can call ELP's version plagiarism though! It's simply a different arrangement. Copland used it in other pieces as well IIRC. You're correct his original was B flat and ELP's was in C. But interestingly, I just listened to the video and that sounds like it is in B maj. But I am wondering if it is actually in C and it's some phase difference or something similar like the doppler effect. I am not enough an audio engineer - but it definitely "sounds" like B maj (although obviously some of it is in the minor as well.....).
@julianroberts8760
5 күн бұрын
@GreenSignals well after 50 seconds ELP go rather different to how I'm familiar with it as an orchestra musician! And it lasts 8 minutes as opposed to mercifully only a couple of minutes of aural obliteration (sitting in front of the brass players) of the original. Yes it's part of one of his symphonies - I see the symphony came later so you're right there! But seriously yes this viaduct is for the Common Man, a century of travel for the Common Man, let's hope.
@michaelmcnally2331
6 күн бұрын
I know some people will find it controversial however I would say that realistically coming to the end of time for MK1 coaches period on the mainline. Instead with the needs of modern railway running then would suggest that instead people operating such heritage trains (and I enjoy such trips myself) get together and get an order for New Mk7 coach with the Mk1 outlines but fitted out with the proper door mechanisms but still the door handles, NOT modern button style, has proper facilities for the announcements, (fed up straining to hear them or the having to ask the coach assistant what was said as couldn’t hear it properly) proper accessibility for wheelchair access, wheelchair accessible toilets etc. I for one wouldn’t mind a proper facility to dry my hands beyond the either paper towels or the old rollers that would have to pull down to dry hands. Could also put in a proper station for the coach assistant and places for rubbish etc as opposed to stacking in the unused central doors. Am going to draw the line at Wi-Fi, charging points and sealed windows for air con etc. keep the mk1 style seating etc and for many people then once sat down then only the hardcore purists who are going to make up a smaller and smaller market will tell the difference. Mk1 and early mk2 remaining could then be passed onto the heritage railways to use. Some of the ones been on recently could do with some replacements.
@richardh5369
6 күн бұрын
Aren't these tours expensive enough as they are, somebody will need to pay for designing and building your proposal.
@michaelmcnally2331
6 күн бұрын
@@richardh5369 whilst will have the initial expense then would be reducing costs as A) selling the existing coaches would recoup an amount of money B) reduced operating costs as easier maintenance. At the moment are maintaining what essentially 60 year old coaches, 50 years min if running mk1 coaches built for multiple units as production of mk1 finished in 63 for coaches and 74 for multiple units. Being newer then design for easier maintenance, newer materials out of site etc.
@bruceknights8330
6 күн бұрын
@@michaelmcnally2331 Ml1s and Mk2s are not particularly expensive to maintain if they have been properly restored before entering service. A well known tour operator is famous for Black Paint C4s, where old components are checked and given a quick blow over with paint.
@matt34028
6 күн бұрын
RAIB says there is no evidence of distraction but expert Nigel says it was a distraction, so end of I suppose. Good thing he knows so much.
@GreenSignals
4 күн бұрын
It’s an opinion, that’s all, but one informed from a considerable amount of experience as a steam loco driver gained over many years (Nigel, that is).
@matt34028
4 күн бұрын
@@GreenSignals perhaps he might like to remind himself of the Driver mantra, 'we are all only as good as our last trip'
@melvynbuckton6881
6 күн бұрын
Colne valley viaduct destroying a country park with its lakes rivers and canal. Wanton vandalism of one if not the most beautiful areas around London.
@johng5474
6 күн бұрын
Or an addition that will in time, become a much loved addition to the landscape just as large railway infrastructure has done for 200 years
@bretty453
6 күн бұрын
@@johng5474One day this will be old and magnificent like the old viaducts we see today.
@GreenSignals
5 күн бұрын
Er, no. It's most certainly not wanton vandalism (that's a silly thing to say) and the HS2 are working very closely with local stakeholders to ensure the minimum of impact. As others have said, one this vitally important green transport corridor is complete, the viaduct will blend in and quickly become part and parcel of the landscape.
@steveworthington930
6 күн бұрын
Having been lucky enough to be classed as the owner,s rep on a trip over the S&C, back in Steamtown day,s, I was told do not distract the crew and stay out the way. A guest was allowed through the corridor tender and we swapped places for 20 minutes.The fireman offered me the shovel, my attempt was met with much hilarity by the driver & fireman, look,s easy but must take year,s of practice, great day out.
@duck1946
3 күн бұрын
Thanks!
@GreenSignals
2 күн бұрын
Thanks ever so much Donald.
@jon99t
6 күн бұрын
Thanks
@GreenSignals
5 күн бұрын
Thanks Jon. Much appreciated!
@AJSAN1971
5 күн бұрын
Thanks!
@GreenSignals
5 күн бұрын
Thanks very much, we really appreciate the support!
@AlanKirkman-q1h
6 күн бұрын
Thanks!
@GreenSignals
5 күн бұрын
Thanks very much, really kind of you.
@ChrisExley-sk1fh
5 күн бұрын
Thanks
@GreenSignals
5 күн бұрын
Thanks Chris, how very kind of you. We really do appreciate your support.
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