Who do you think is possessing Golden Freddy? Is there any evidence I didn't talk about in the video that you want me to address? Let me know in the comments! (Heads up, making your own comment and not a reply to this one will make it easier for me to see and respond, though I can't guarantee I'll respond to everything. I technically have been on vacation while finishing this video lol. I do plan to try to read them all at the very least and interact when I can) I hope you all enjoyed the video, and continue to have fun theorizing :D
@HoneybunandChip.2024
3 ай бұрын
I believe Cassidy and the crying child
@MrGlitch83
3 ай бұрын
I agree with Honey, I think it is Cassidy and the Crying Child.
@unknownn1n
3 ай бұрын
Cassidy and The Crying Child.
@silverbullet1620
3 ай бұрын
ID... you are awesome. You respond to me when I post, no matter how dumb my comments are. So thank you very much. This Autistic Adult appreciates you.
@jgn2160
3 ай бұрын
I think Cassidy and The Crying child are both possessing golden Freddy
@caemyncingel5495
3 ай бұрын
One thing I do appreciate about Duel Process Theory's video is that it serves as a reminder that next to nothing in this franchise is 100% confirmed or known for a fact. While I may not agree with all of their takes, I think it is still important to remind the community that we really don't know that much for certain and that a LOT of the things that people claim to be "fact" in this franchise is really just speculation on steroids. It's good to have that reality check every once and awhile, especially in the FNAF theorizing community.
@IDsFantasy
3 ай бұрын
Agreed
@RFDN0
3 ай бұрын
It's even worse than that. FNAF has so many tools in it's belt to instantly retcon almost everything seen in any game. Probe in mind, indie games, nightmare gas, sound illusion disks, and visions from spirits are all in the wider cannon, with the first two guaranteed to be in the games.
@yfrit_gg
3 ай бұрын
@@RFDN0True! I hadn't really considered it and you're not wrong at all. Scott's said he's only ever done one retcon and I honestly don't know if I believe him on that (or at least that his opinion of what a retcon is lines up with the community's opinion, anyway!)
@thevioletskull8158
3 ай бұрын
Fnaf is one of the most fanon thinga ever though there's reasons for that
@tylamcgilverson3923
3 ай бұрын
I mean yea it wasn't even until fnaf6 that Afton was confirmed to be the bad guy right?
@silverbullet1620
3 ай бұрын
Is this right or wrong? Scott Cawthon: Yes
@IDsFantasy
3 ай бұрын
Yeah he does that a lot
@fcoonjj4844
3 ай бұрын
@@IDsFantasy To be honest, I know folks like the mystic of the series, but I honestly am getting tired of the half answers and wishy washy it could be ANYTHING kinda writing that keeps happening. I genuinely would like some honest and direct answers for once because the series being not so much fun for folks to theorize in my honest opinion is stemming from a lack of concrete anything due to the issue that the majority of the fandom's beliefs are trying to draw a line in the series only for it to be unsure if any odd idiosyncrasies or odd changes to a character or detail were A: A retcon that Scott claims he only did once B: just a design thing don't think about it C:a major detail you should care about or D: Scott forgot or did not remember something and now it is coming back to bite him when he adds something that looks similar (even if Steel Wool is currently driving the ship they admit to going to Scott for details)
@origin484
3 ай бұрын
his answer changes every other day lmao
@jan_harald
3 ай бұрын
the real answer is that scott isn't actually good at doing lore, which is why like 90% of the lore is just made up by the fandom, lol he's applying the "just say yes" strategy >;P if you don't commit to anything explicit, then you can't be proven wrong, did he retcon something or was it never intended to be read that way at all? by the power of Being Super Vague, anything may or may not be true, and as such, also fits with all sorts of new theories, and all sorts of new additions
@DefNotMyBurner
3 ай бұрын
Man been giving ZERO answers for 10 years lol he jus milking the series
@jorjebear9874
3 ай бұрын
Ten years later and we’re still arguing about what the fuck golden Freddy is. Nothing has changed.
@IDsFantasy
3 ай бұрын
o7
@Claramoo
3 ай бұрын
at least we know the name of purple guy
@jorjebear9874
3 ай бұрын
@@Claramoo or do we? (Cue Vsauce music)
@Classic-guy1991
3 ай бұрын
Scott needs to man up and give us answers
@feilkate5892
3 ай бұрын
@@Claramooor was it the Pink Guy?
@eesakhan7713
3 ай бұрын
the math aint mathing the fnaf ain't fnaffing my brain aint braining
@IDsFantasy
3 ай бұрын
Oop-
@INoahThingor2
3 ай бұрын
Real
@venomfan2020
3 ай бұрын
febby fabre *_(brain shuts off)_*
@yaashrayquaza1760
3 ай бұрын
Be honest tho.... when is fnaf ever fnaffing 😭😭
@spoonseeker7864
3 ай бұрын
Time to rewatch this theory at least 2-3 times as well eh? 😅🤯
@cosmicbreath
3 ай бұрын
Frankly I don’t think there IS a way to completely solve FNAF, especially if focusing on the details. Scott is likely what we in the writing community call a “pantser” (someone who writes by the seat of his pants, so to speak), or, at most, a “plantser” (pantser+planner). Pantsers excel in short-form writing, but their stories start to suffer if they focus on writing the same series for long periods of time. By writing as you go, you forget plot points and end up contradicting yourself on small details in the story that you forgot you had written years ago. Thus arises inconsistencies and plot holes after a while. Because of what Scott has said and how his games’ narratives are laid out, it’s likely that he just writes a game’s story with, at best, some vague ideas or short-term thoughts of what he might do in the future (he’s admitted he had no plan beyond FNAF 1 when he made it). So there’s no physical way to “solve FNAF” because there is no solution that can take all the little details from all the games and the supplementary materials (like the logbook) into account. So, as a storyteller, I find myself asking, “What’s the most satisfying solution from a narrative perspective? What feels the best?” Because, in cases like this, finding the one answer to everything when you’re talking about a ten-year series that was written by a pantser is a rather Sisyphean task. So I really enjoy the theories that go “Assume nothing!” and “Everything you know is wrong!” because they often bring fresh interpretations and narratives to the table that can be incredibly interesting (that’s actually how I started watching your videos, ID), particularly because I don’t think it’s possible to have one satisfying right answer for this story that doesn’t contradict itself somewhere.
@karak962
3 ай бұрын
Yeah, I completely agree with this. Plus it's something Scott has reiterated many times, like Mr Hippo telling you sometimes a story is just a story and not to focus on the minute details. I've been able to predict a massive amount of fnaf plots by doing this
@IDsFantasy
3 ай бұрын
Valid!
@echonvoid
3 ай бұрын
That’s why I enjoyed the Dual Process Theory so much. I want Michael to have more story than just tired manipulated kid he spent his whole life cleaning up his dad’s mistakes. And I’ve had a feeling that either CC and Cassidy or Cassidy and Charlie were actually one and the same. Especially with how remnant works and how multiple cultures from across all of time believe the soul has multiple parts. Or even something like DID, which happens because of continuous trauma in a young child’s life, could explain a soul splitting sorta thing. The Dual’s helped put into words this idea, and gave a satisfying answer to CCs name (Evan sucked solving the puzzle wise, and Dave doesn’t feel like a kids name)
@AmomenttobeReal
3 ай бұрын
this is exactly what happened to me with the dual theory. it scratches my head in a way that makes it feel good for me. the main characters feel like main characters with more importance on the overall story compared to a random kid being killed and being the one you should have not killed. and the connexion between cc and mike feels very very good. or how cassie is a re use of the name cassidy by her dad because he feels bad from what happened. And yeah I understand ID on this video but what she is explaining even if maybe more accurate in certain parts just leave me hole inside like "ok, so we go back to the characters having 0 agency again" sort of. nothing against ID and not saying dual theory is perfect or anything, i just really like feeling that Mike and CC and others characters had a bigger meaning behind the games.
@mackthegreeny1096
3 ай бұрын
Ah. I feel called out reading that description..
@-Jimini-
3 ай бұрын
You only briefly mention it but I still think: “He tried to release you. He tried to release us.” Is meant to refer to two different people. He [Michael] tried to release (just) you [in FNAF 3]. He [Henry] tried to release (both/all of) us [in FNAF 6]. And that’s why they say “They burn us.”
@IDsFantasy
3 ай бұрын
Agreed!
@lukec2129
3 ай бұрын
this is an interesting take, but just based on sentence structure as a general concept, i find it unlikely that the word "he" in two consecutive phrases with no name would apply to two people unless we had the context of someone pointing at specific people or something like that. i agree that "they" is in reference to henry and michael, but im unsure that this specifically holds up
@ScorpionRevengeNCG
3 ай бұрын
i mean they can always be used as a singular pronoun i mean you did it in this comment. what did henry do to us, they burnt us.
@TheSoulCalledZuzia
3 ай бұрын
@@ScorpionRevengeNCG It can, but it isn't unless a) someone's non-binary/genderfluid or uses "they" pronoun, b) you don't know someone's gender. I don't think Henry goes by "they" pronoun (unless I'm wrong), and the sentence implies that the speaker (I don't remember who said this line, lol) knows the gender of the person they're talking about
@soluna4784
3 ай бұрын
@@ScorpionRevengeNCG yes, but unless TOYSNHK is telling us Henry uses he/they pronouns, why use he twice and then switch to singular they?
@wolfwalker334
3 ай бұрын
I like bouncing around from Game Theory, FuhFnaff, ID Fantasy, and now Dual Process to see what everyone comes up with. It’s just fun to see different perspectives on how the lore is interpreted.
@IDsFantasy
3 ай бұрын
Yeah XD
@CageBlack1443
Ай бұрын
What about RyeToast? Would also recommend Stormister
@hsfhanaa
3 ай бұрын
I think what I liked most about DualProcess Theory was the way it seemed like they took everything we have at once and created it. As opposed to assumptions being made from fnaf 1 that the next games have to fit into. I like the points you made that I never considered. Fnaf theorizing is so fun
@IDsFantasy
3 ай бұрын
Yeah, it's cool :D
@Kassibon-rg1km
3 ай бұрын
I also liked that about DualProcessTheory's video :)
@jonathanhibberd9983
3 ай бұрын
It's just so clean, and so satisfying. Every character has a name, the important characters all have a reason for what they do, and how they do it. No loose ends. Do I think it's what Scott intended? Probably not. But at this point, I'm not sure he even knows what the actual lore is. When I look at the FNAF franchise, I see a lot of similarity to the DCU. Disjointed scenes that work on their own, but when combined together form a disjointed mess. Particularly in the early games, I think there's a lot of "this is a cool idea" thrown in without to much concern for trying to make a coherent narrative.
@remingtonfiore9721
3 ай бұрын
To see the fredbear jumpscare in ultimate custom night I believe you need to death coin golden Freddy, which sort of implies that you only death coin one of the spirits, while presumably cc remains to jump-scare you as fredbear as that’s what technically his soul possessed originally
@IDsFantasy
3 ай бұрын
Oooooo good point!
@YellowSkarmory
3 ай бұрын
...I'm amazed that's the first time I've ever seen this point brought up. It makes perfect sense.
@eliasflawless1698
Ай бұрын
Maybe...but why would CC/Evan/Whoever the William's kid is attack his father who promised to put him back together? He has no motive.William didn't do anything bad to him personally
@theaxxorite9415
Ай бұрын
@@eliasflawless1698closed captions would probably correlate his death with the unsafe model (if it really is CC and not just agony)
@chear8145
Ай бұрын
@@eliasflawless1698i dunno maybe sharing a body with one of his dads victim, hanging around 5 other victims and his fathers neglect and abuse might, just might, make cc a little bit upset with William? Oh also both of his siblings dying because of things his dad made?
@geckokid8265
3 ай бұрын
I just thought (sorry if this is stupid or has been said before) what if the reason Charlies mask is the last to fall is because she's staying a little bit longer to make sure everyone else has moved on safely and she's up on the hill so she can still watch over the others (also because that's where her parents decided to bury her)
@IDsFantasy
3 ай бұрын
Would make sense
@joschuafieguth9151
3 ай бұрын
The slower falling mask thesis was mentioned by dawko a few years ago i think, but nice work coming to that conclusion independently
@geckokid8265
2 ай бұрын
@@joschuafieguth9151 oh I didn't know that but thank you
@LadyOnikara
3 ай бұрын
A couple things I know for sure about Golden Freddy: He's one of my favorite characters along with Lefty. The kid who represents him in the movie is a GREAT actor. That kid was super creepy and I loved it.
@IDsFantasy
3 ай бұрын
Oh yeah, he did a great job!
@dreacranford
3 ай бұрын
I feel like the Cassette Man's (likely Henry's) words are misinterpreted or over interpreted to mean that Charlie was first. Here's the full speech for context: [Spoken: Cassette Man] It's only now that I understand the depth of the depravity of this creature. This monster, that I unwillingly helped to create. As if what he had already done wasn't enough He found a new way to desecrate, to humiliate, to destroy. As if the suffering wasn't enough, the loss of innocence, the loss of everything to so many people. Small souls trapped in prisons of my making, now set to new purpose. And used in ways I never thought imaginable. He lured them all back, back to a familiar place. Back with familiar tricks. He brought them all together. Are they still, aware? I hope not. It keeps me awake at night. I could make myself sleep, but not yet. Not until I undo what he has done and heal this wound. A wound first inflicted on me, but one that I let bleed out to cause all of this. He set some kind of trap. I don't know what it was, but he led them there, again. He overpowered them, again. And he robbed them of the only thing that they had, again. I don't know how those tiny breaths of life came to inhabit those machines, but they will never find rest now, not like this. I have to call them all back, all of them. Together in one place. Here's the line in question: "Not until I undo what he has done and heal this wound. A wound first inflicted on me, but then one that I left bleed out to cause all of this." In the most popular interpretation, this "wound" is a metaphor for the victims being murdered/possessing the animatronics and by extension, its effect on the families of the victims. Thus, the wound being first inflicted on him would mean that he and his family were the first to be victimized. This would tie back to the line, "The loss of everything to so many people." This could theoretically encompass both the victims and the families. It's a valid interpretation, but it's definitely not the only one because the "wound," here isn't clearly defined. Let's look at some other context clues. He says that this wound was first inflicted on him. If your child were brutally killed, would you really center yourself and say that it was a wound inflicted on you? I know no one in FNAF is getting a father of the year award, but Henry is supposed to be one of the better ones. He says it's a wound inflicted on him, not his daughter, not his family. Him. Throughout the speech, Henry distinguishes his pain from the anguish of the victims', referring to them in the third person (so many people, lured them, overpowered them, called them, etc). This detachment tells me that his sees himself and his "wound" as separate from what happened to the victims. Healing this "wound" involves undoing what Afton has done. Clearly it doesn't mean bringing them back to life. Putting people "back together " and using remnant as a form of immortality is Afton's deal. So undoing what Afton has done means putting the dead to rest. In this case, the "wound" would be how the children are stuck and aware inside their animatronic that he discussed immediately before the "wound" line. However, we're again stuck with the fact that, as far as we know, this is a wound he has never had inflicted on himself, but on his daughter. And even then, Alton didn't "inflict" any life or awareness on the Puppet. It happened accidentally after the murder. In fact, the Puppet wasn't even part of the incident he was talking about (lured to a familiar place and robbed again). Charlie's experiences aren't alluded to at all anywhere in this speech. It's all about the MCI and possibly confirming the molten MCI. So what could be "a wound first inflicted on me, but then one that I left bleed out to cause all of this" if not the death of Charlie and her subsequent existence in the Puppet? The first time Henry uses the first person in this speech he says that, (presumably) Afton, is "this monster, that I unwillingly helped to create." Later he says that the murder victims are "small souls trapped in prisons of my making..." Throughout the speech, Henry's pain and guilt are tied more to his culpability as Afton's former partner and the creator of the animatronics than to his daughter's death. In many ways, Henry WAS Afton's first victim. Like the MCI victims, Henry was deceived and lulled into a false sense of security. He was the first person Afton tricked into doing his bidding. If Phone Guy's lines ('Whatever is happening, however tragic, has nothing to do with our establishment.') reflect the general disregard of the Fazbear leadership, then Henry might have defended Afton or delayed the police investigation into the MCI. His blind trust in Afton could have allowed more children to be killed, including his own. Henry was there at the beginning. As he says in the first line, he helped create a monster. He should have realized what Afton was up to, but he didn't. That's what I believe this "wound" is. It is Henry's role in creating the circumstances that allowed Afton to kill. Alternatively, Henry is a robot/remnant monster/nightmare gas/sound disc victim and the first person Afton experimented on. Maybe Henry allowed it because of his guilt that the Crying Child died in his animatronic. Maybe Henry was an actual accomplice. But whatever this speech means, it's not the smoking gun that Charlie died first that people claim it is. It's just as ambiguous as everything else and up for interpretation.
@IDsFantasy
3 ай бұрын
I personally think it doesn't make much sense for Henry to imply William wounded him (particularly with the word wounded being used) and for no injury to be involved. However, I will also say that Charlie dying first in the novel trilogy and seemingly being connected to the FNAF 4 situation through FNAF World make it seem particularly likely that Charlie was the first. I'd say Henry's speech being interpreted as Charlie being first makes about as much sense as the graves having Charlie be last. Both are the most obvious and straightforward explanation, but I go with Charlie being first due to there being other events in the series to imply that. If another explanation is provided that I think accounts for all my issues with the theory, I'll go with it, but I don't think the grave order has to mean she died last either.
@PrincessPointless
3 ай бұрын
Sometimes I wonder if cassette dude really is Henry. Reading it back above, it has as many points where it could be Micheal as it could be Henry. Wound first inflicted - Willy is an abusive father long before the serial killing Unwittingly helped to create - the bite of 87 Small souls in prisons of my making - he’s an adult by sister location, who’s to say he didn’t help out with the construction or maintenance? Also after the fnaf 3 fire, he somewhat “made” the scraptronics. Idk, I’m not in depth into the lore, it just doesn’t ring as solidly for me as it only possible as being Henry these days.
@artemiswolf4508
3 ай бұрын
I think we know Charlie didn’t die first because we know Chica died first, right? “A wound first inflicted upon me” does seem to imply Charlie was first however you could also interpret it in different ways. Chica literally jumps at us and says “I was the first, I have seen everything” It does not get clearer than that
@radioisactive7590
2 ай бұрын
@@artemiswolf4508 True, but that could also be reffering specifically to the kids that were killed in the same way, by being lured back by springbonnje before being murdered. Maybe Chica is saying that on that day, she was the first to die, but maybe not the first overall. Then again it absolutely could mean she was the first overall, but it's hard to say anything is concrete and it's probably better to keep our options open so we don't blind ourselves to other possibilities.
@venomfan2020
3 ай бұрын
3:05 I like to think that, before luring Cassidy into the back room, William put the Fredbear animatronic in suit mode to make space for Cassidy's body. And a little while after he "murdered" Cassidy (I put the word in quotation marks cuz maybe Cassidy was still unconsious, not dead when William put her in the Fredbear suit), Cassidy woke up in the Fredbear suit after-hours (when the pizzeria was closed), and tried to get out of the suit, but setting off the springlocks in the process, subjecting Cassidy to a slow, painful death, and since the pizzeria was closed for the night, nobody would've heard her cries for help. No wonder she has a personal grudge against William
@IDsFantasy
3 ай бұрын
Oooo that's definitely possible!
@kavanht6533
3 ай бұрын
If that is the case then William got what he deserved and then some
@Thedevegon
3 ай бұрын
Maybe the twitching golden Freddy suit from UCN also implies the way Cassidy died.
@luluu0101
3 ай бұрын
for sure @Thedevegon , the twitching is just like how we see Springtrap twitch in the fnaf3 trailer. to me, their death was always was the most brutal and agonizing because Cassidy death was a springlock failure.
@Thedevegon
3 ай бұрын
@@luluu0101 That makes sense, and creates a nice parallel between Afton and Cassidy. How both of them refuse to die, and the springlock failure that "kills" them yet both of them refuse to give up. It's karma for Afton, in that one of the children he killed was just as stubborn as him and became a vengeful spirit. That would also play into Cassidy being the one he should not have killed, not because Cassidy was someone inherently special, but because it was the last straw that began the revenge against Afton for his cruelty.
@Shyruni
3 ай бұрын
While I do think there is a lot of room to debate Dual Process, the part I actually like a lot and hope the devs go for in the future IS exploring "the one you should not have killed". The fact that at best we have a name for the only kid with this severe level of personal vendeta with Afton is super unsatisfying for me. I'm not generally one that thinks everything in FNaF needs a connection, but the fact that such an important role is just some random kid has always bothered me, and I appreciate that Dual Process tried to help that a bit. I only hope future games can add more context to the person.
@aminethbt885
3 ай бұрын
TOYSNHK's role is simply not that important in the lore, he's only important in UCN and that's just about it.
@Piiiiiiiiit
3 ай бұрын
Agreed
@sonotfetch
3 ай бұрын
Steel Wool seems really into going backwards so I have hope!
@cheezeebutter452
3 ай бұрын
Yeah like it may not be perfect lore wise to have Cassidy be the crying child and for Michael to be the vengeful spirit but it's definitely more god damn satisfying at least thus far. Like the choice between Michael being the vengeful spirit and Michael being someone who's influence in the story is taken away so much that he's only ever really just an observer to the whole thing and the vengeful spirit is some random kid who we only know the name of and that they posses Golden Freddy is kinda unsatisfying. Seriously Michael got done dirty and doesn't have influence in it I feel. The revelation that he's the night guard we're mostly playing as is cool but then his burning of Fazbear Frights is made meaningless and all he does after that is help Henry whom thusfar has been absent from the timeline help do what Henry was already going to do by himself and burn the animatronics again. It's kind of sad really and even though it doesn't completely fit, making Michael be the vengeful spirit makes the story feel more complete if that makes sense.
@thepixelman4776
3 ай бұрын
@@cheezeebutter452 I mean… - Releases Ennard from the bunker -Set fire to fazbears frights, causing severe damage to Springtrap to the point he’s forced to use scrap parts to fix himself -This fire (probably) spurred Henry to buy the auctioned remains and start his plan -Single-handedly ran a thriving pizzeria for 5 days (I know it was fake but still it’s impressive) -Successfully lured all the remnent to one location to be burned at once. Yeah he may not permeantly stopped William (unless he’s in Glam Freddy), but he still did major damage and destroyed most of his human bits; burntrap was more a desperate cling to life than anything and one good fire and blob attack probably finished it off. That’s kinda a lot of influence…. And even then feeling like a helpless observer who doesn’t hold the power is kinda a recurring thing in FNAF, in games and in books.
@k.amik.o
3 ай бұрын
Nothing like a FNaF video to confuse myself with on a tranquil Saturday evening. ❤
@IDsFantasy
3 ай бұрын
Heck yeah XD
@anjellogames
3 ай бұрын
Golden Freddy is yes.
@IDsFantasy
3 ай бұрын
Yep lol
@Thechannelthatexistsforcontent
3 ай бұрын
Not this shit again
@thevioletskull8158
3 ай бұрын
Ha
@olivelittle8232
3 ай бұрын
at this point? yeah
@TheBeastlySort02
3 ай бұрын
Just like Mangle's gender!
@Joshchive
3 ай бұрын
It's honestly pretty shocking to come back to the fandom and see just how much duel process theory absolutely turned the theorist community on its head. I have to give them credit, they definitely left an impact.
@Ben-zg8xk
3 ай бұрын
They really shouldn’t have tho, everything they theorise just isn’t true
@Joshchive
3 ай бұрын
@@Ben-zg8xk read what I said.
@IDsFantasy
3 ай бұрын
They did indeed leave an impact
@jonathanhibberd9983
3 ай бұрын
The reason I like DPT's theory is because it simplifies so much. There's no Afton child that is one of the major deaths in the franchise but also completely unnamed. No 5th victim named Cassidy who is somehow completely unknown and yet one of the most powerful entities in the entire franchise. Every victim has a name. And it gives Vengeful Spirit motive, means, and opportunity. The reason why this entity is so powerful and so full of hate for William is because of everything we've seen Michael go through - seeing his brother get killed by his dad's invention, being tortured by his father, attacked by ghosts for years, getting killed, and living as an undead being sustained by Remnant for years/decades. That gives motive, and the remnant empowering him gives him means. We know from the Easter Egg model that only 4 of the 5 MCI victims were taken to Sister Location to become Ennard/Molten Freddy - the victims in Freddy, Chica, Foxy, and Bonnie. No Golden Freddy. Scrap Baby is Elizabeth. Lefty is Charlie. And Scraptrap is William. The only other person killed in the Pizzeria Simulator fire was Michael. So Cassidy (either as crying child or MCI#5) wasn't there. Then how did he end up attached to William's soul? Where's the opportunity for Cassidy to be the vengeful spirit of UCN? There isn't. But there is for Michael to be. Also, the name in the book doesn't make sense if it's "random 5th victim". It's the Altered Text and Michael that provide the clues. Not Faded Text. How do Crying Child and Michael know Faded Text's name in order to set up the puzzle? There are zero context clues to who Faded Text is, so how would Michael know in order to put that clue in? And for that matter, why use clues at all? Why doesn't Faded Text just write it? They can do that if it's actually Faded Text trying to introduce themself. It's Altered Text who can only change text, not write. Likewise, how does Faded Text know so much about Crying Child if it's just some random kid who got killed? How does this random kid know that Crying Child had a purple phone toy? You know who might know that? The child of his father's business partner, who was around the same age and likely spent time with their family. Take a look at the good ending of Happiest day. The first frame shows four victims at a party, all wearing masks - Freddy, Chica, Foxy, and Bonnie, as well as the puppet. And a 5th CRYING victim who gets the Golden Freddy mask. "The party was for me." Altered Text. The Crying Child. Cassidy Afton. There are several reasons to remove CC's body from the springlock Freddy suit. First, Henry would probably notice the body of his partner's dead child inside the suit he routinely wore. That's going to lead to him calling the cops, probably searching the other animatronics, and uncovering the whole thing. Maybe even discovering enough evidence to tie it to William. Second, even if Henry doesn't get in the suit, the police are going to check it as one of the two possible suits used by the killer. And then we're back to finding the other kids. Every theory has evidence that doesn't fit. If there was a theory that fit all the evidence, we wouldn't be here. But what this theory does have is a clean timeline, no loose ends, and a narratively satisfying conclusion that just makes sense in a way no other theory has come close to so far.
@blitzes3177
3 ай бұрын
DPT’s theory is definitely the most satisfying theory so far from a narrative perspective. At the moment most other theories, including Golden Duo, don’t really feel like a story so much as they do a series of events in comparison.
@THE_END.ヽ
2 ай бұрын
I agree. A thing I like a lot about DPT's theory is that it gives CC more importance. As an Afton, he SHOULD have a bigger role than just "helping the other souls rest" (I call it out as FreeVictim is one of the most accepted theories concerning CC along GoldenDuo),that's Charlie's role. Plus a reason for CC to be the one in Happiest Day was also mentioned by DPT, pointing out the similarity it has with the day he got bit by Fredbear.
@mr.penguindrewmateo8146
2 ай бұрын
While the theory is narratively satisfying there is one thing that could easily debunk the whole thing if it is solvable, the foxy grid. If the crying child is suppose to be the fifth kid and named Cassidy then why have a clue that almost shouts “Hey, solve me and I’ll give you a name”. (Granted I saw a short that may have solved it but I don’t know if everyone will agree with it)
@aromaladyellie
28 күн бұрын
@@mr.penguindrewmateo8146the name doesn’t have to be the name of either Faded or Altered. Recently it’s been predicted to be Dave, which is one of William’s aliases. No small child is called Dave. They’re either Davey or David. It’s also honestly just like Scott to give a misdirection. Also, what narrative purpose does calling CC ‘Dave’ even serve? Okay, we (allegedly) know his name now and it’s Dave. So who tf is Cassidy? Cassidy is back to being a nobody, but one filled with so much hatred and vengeance. Genuinely, who… cares? Not in a rude way but in a why does it matter way. Who cares in like, a sense of who cares that his name is allegedly Dave? What does that do for us? What purpose does Cassidy being a nobody serve? Why does any of it matter? Unless we get a good answer about who Cassidy is, who cares? What does his name being Dave tell us about him? What does it say about anything? That William is willing to use his son’s name as an alias in an alternate universe? Why hide CC’s name behind such a complex puzzle? Why is it so worth hiding so deeply? That’s my issue with it. Us learning his name is possibly Dave tells us nothing. But if he’s Cassidy, then that would matter and tie up so many loose ends.
@thepixelman4776
27 күн бұрын
@@aromaladyellieI mean like… people named Dave start as children. And well… why does his name need narrative purpose? It’s just that he has a full name now. His last names certainly matters, and we knew what it was, but his first name is just something we’ve wanted to know because that would be nice and was weird to not know when we knew the rest of his family. The only reason it was hidden so deeply is cause it literally was hidden deeply in universe. It’s like trying to figure out which animatronic caused the bite of 87; it doesn’t really seem to matter, but people still speculate on it.
@nathanielh21
3 ай бұрын
I remember how in the Dual Process video when they introduced this idea the first thing they said was “Time to get mauled by the entire fanbase!”. Nope, instead their theories are just getting picked apart piece by piece to see what works and what doesn’t, because at the end of the day that’s just how this community does it
@edgarallanpoelagusmarjorita
3 ай бұрын
i appreciate the genuine interaction with the dual process theory video. i've seen a lot of people post clickbait-y videos with titles like, "did they SOLVE fnaf?!?" with little to no analysis of the contents. it's refreshing to see someone genuinely break down the evidence and discuss what works for and against the theory!
@IDsFantasy
3 ай бұрын
Glad you liked it!
@irotr53
3 ай бұрын
A fnaf KZitemr called Naifarang had a really great theory where he said Cassidy is actually a boy, making him the exact opposite of Charlie. While Charlie is a smart, calm character trying to help the animatronic kids, Cassidy is a cunning, vengeful guy trying to get revenge on William Afton. Plus the animatronics refer to the Vengeful Spirit as a him and Cassidy is a boy in the movie. Check out Nai's short on it, it's believable to me
@IDsFantasy
3 ай бұрын
Interesting. I think it's an interesting idea, though the frequent depiction of the black haired girl makes me doubt it
@loganentertainment1814
3 ай бұрын
That, and the kid inside GF in the movie is blond like the rare screen in UCN.
@JinxeBlaq
3 ай бұрын
@@IDsFantasyI mean, those could also just be a reference to the books. After all, we have a male vengeful spirits in the stitch wraith too.. And the fnaf 6 animatronics calling them a he is straight from canon.. Which is pretty strong evidence.
@ValToadstool
3 ай бұрын
Were the names of the kids in the fnaf movie ever mentioned or is that just people applying game knowledge to it?
@DoveCalderwood
3 ай бұрын
@ValToadstool The movie MCI kids have not been given names for now, so until proven otherwise I don't see the harm in applying the game names to the movie kids. For example, I've been calling Movie!Golden Fredddy Cassidy for now
@gojirawilson3611
3 ай бұрын
You know there's this whole idea that's more of a headcanon rather then a theory that Cassidy was actually Springlocked in the Fredbear Suit, and that's why she's the most vengeful towards William.
@IDsFantasy
3 ай бұрын
I could get behind that
@luluu0101
3 ай бұрын
its been my main belief, especially with all the red lakes and drowning. watch sire squawks video about blood and flames if you wanna deeper analysis of this tho !
@spacewarp5850
3 ай бұрын
Makes more sense than just one of the 5 MCI being extra salty about being murdered.
@dumflame
3 ай бұрын
@@spacewarp5850kid 1: “yo, so how did you die” Kid 2: “Me? I got knocked tf out and died from my brain bleeding” Kid 3: “Damn, I got stabbed” Kid 4: “Man same” Cassidy: “I was continuously knocked out and was put into a suit which stabbed me from all directions at the same time piercing into my skin torturing me” Other Kids: “👁👄👁”
@mister_r447
3 ай бұрын
It comes from the idea of drowning in a lake of blood (like in the old man consequences mini game, and from Dreadbear in fnaf help wanted), which could be an alegory for having their lungs pierced through being springlocked.
@Cypherspace
3 ай бұрын
5:53 something else to note is that the majority of the letters in Cassidy’s name are specifcially found in *unaltered* text in the word search (The A comes from “PizzA”, the D and Y come from “FreDdY” and the C comes from “Afton RobotiCs”) which in my opinion would further go against the idea that Cassidy is the name of the altered text spirit
@IDsFantasy
3 ай бұрын
EXCELLENT POINT
@SpottedLabCoat
3 ай бұрын
Oh wow! I've never seen that mentioned. Given that one of the letters comes from "Afton Robotics" it really says to me that Cassidy is the name of an Afton, and we were only missing 1 name. Except of course poor Mrs Afton.
@softreyna
3 ай бұрын
Calling 4/7 a majority is a little loaded. It's technically true, but it's also as close to an even split as it could possibly be.
@MichaelDavis_83
3 ай бұрын
@@SpottedLabCoat It makes more sense that "Afton Robotics" would refer to William injecting Funtimes with MCI's remnant.
@SpottedLabCoat
3 ай бұрын
@@MichaelDavis_83 I don't understand the logic here, could you please explain it? Why would one of the letters in Cassidy, being included in "Afton Robotics" in the word search be referring to injecting remnant into the Funtimes?
@DSiren
3 ай бұрын
on the whole conviction debacle, it's also completely possible William was convicted but then appealed over procedural errors or called to question the lack of bodies and thus whether it could actually be proven he committed the crime.
@IDsFantasy
3 ай бұрын
True!
@CageBlack1443
Ай бұрын
...I still like to think that there's just some poor, random unnamed guy that probably used to work at Freddy's rotting in a prison for something he never did, and we are never going to see his side of the story. Is it narratively satisfying? ...No. Is it darkly hilarious? Hell yes
@joevin-tosis8886
3 ай бұрын
Hear me out. There's at least one person possessing golden freddy.
@IDsFantasy
3 ай бұрын
You know what I think you might be right lol
@eiiza8283
3 ай бұрын
We have to have a baseline somewhere
@kamishin7135
2 ай бұрын
I mean there's a theory that claims that golden freddy was never real
@THE_END.ヽ
2 ай бұрын
@@kamishin7135seems interesting. Can you share it please?
@THE_END.ヽ
2 ай бұрын
@@kamishin7135 really? What's it?
@catbugrer
3 ай бұрын
i love that fnaf still cant decide over decade old lore
@IDsFantasy
3 ай бұрын
Almost a decade technically, but yeah XD
@shayzcactus
3 ай бұрын
Personally, I like Dual Process Theory’s video because its narratively satisfying even if it isn’t 100% correct. I also appreciate it since they clearly looked at everything with a fresh perspective instead of just blindly accepting pre-established theories. As someone who has been around since the beginning and watched a lot of these theories be born, it was fun to see DPT get a chance to build up theories and ideas the same way others in fandom have done across the last ten years. I also appreciate how majority of the fandom is gladly welcoming them in, since it can be hard to come in to a 10 year old fandom with new ideas without some fans rejecting those new ideas and gatekeeping the fandom from those who present them.
@IDsFantasy
3 ай бұрын
That's fair, but I do think it's important to find a narrative to match the evidence, not just a narrative that's nice but contradicts canon. Good to bring in a new perspective either way though
@THE_END.ヽ
2 ай бұрын
Come on, we all know "100% correct" doesn't exist in here.
@FairlySadPanda
3 ай бұрын
To be honest, the most compelling reason to say Cassidy is the crying child is the absense of a name for CC otherwise. The six victims seem to be really, really important to the franchise: Steel Wool has tried to drill in their death order and who was put in what via various hints. The fact that we have six names and seven dead kids in total is a problem. So just merge the two mysterious kids into one.
@IDsFantasy
3 ай бұрын
Yeah. I want this kid to have a name too, but unfortunately I don't think he has one yet o7
@THE_END.ヽ
2 ай бұрын
I don't know, personally for many reasons, after seeing DPT's video, I'm rethinking it and I think CCs name being Cassidy and Charlie being Faded has the most sense, at least from my interpretation. I think it has the least plot holes (because nowadays it's nearly impossible to make a theory that doesn't have at least one).
@MrDubai07
2 ай бұрын
Gravestone can’t be death order. 1983 was when BV died. 1985 was the MCI. I personally think it’s when the found peace, not death order.
@4nikki21
3 ай бұрын
Even if some of DPT's conclusions have stronger counterevidence, I'm so glad they pointed out a LOT when looking at assumptions they broader community has made because so often people jump on things. If feel like the vid has shaken up the community and brought new ideas
@IDsFantasy
3 ай бұрын
Indeed it has
@aliendilo3105
3 ай бұрын
I know a lot of current fnaf talk involves the "narrative" but this is one point I really like about Dual Process's take. It feels incredibly strange that we have named for everyone, and I mean everyone, by the end of PizzaSim, but not CC. It also feels strange that this character, who had so much focus on him, fnaf4, happiest day, fnaf world, just.. Kind of be left forgotten? And it also feels really strange that this all important Vengeful Spirit.. Is someone we've never heard of before, why did they go from being not important enough to be mentioned, to suddenly the one character that's going to torture the main villain? If say that CC and Cassidy are the same, you get a much more coherent story. They just line up much better in the narrative. We don't end up with a vital character being named Crying Child. We get a character who has a presence in every game, and remains important to the story throughout. To me at least, that sits much better in my gut.
@THE_END.ヽ
2 ай бұрын
THIS. Plus the conversation Faded and Altered have in the logbook seems like Faded is mostly trying to help Altered (CC) to remember who he is. He forgot (almost) everything after all. Why wouldn't Faded help him remember his name as well then?
@DorneysHouseofGames
3 ай бұрын
I like how Stormister's theory on Scraptrap's suit is just there as an evidence in a lot of videos now lol
@IDsFantasy
3 ай бұрын
It's a very cool theory
@DorneysHouseofGames
3 ай бұрын
@@IDsFantasy true!
@areadingghost
3 ай бұрын
I’m not a hardcore fan who to have all the facts on hand or anything but it’s never made sense to me for Cassidy to be the name of faded text. All the clues leading up to the name reveal are either altered text, or Michael writing the clues. As you pointed out it does ask "whats your name" but looking at the word search as a whole it could easily be read as "Its me, Cassidy, whats your name?" and from then on its seems like faded is stuck trying to remember. if the clues to the word search had been given as fadeds writing or there had been faded text near or in the word search itself then maybe i could be persuaded but all clues ARE altered. not to mention Michael helping definitely suggests he knew the name that the spirit was trying to point out.
@THE_END.ヽ
2 ай бұрын
+ the whole conversation between Faded and Altered seems to be about Faded trying to make Altered remember who they are.
@picalc314
3 ай бұрын
I do think that DPT do bring up an important point to consider. While narrative satisfaction is not evidence that we should hold on its own, Scott *is* trying to write a story with the series, and we should consider that when writing theories as a heuristic, much like Occam's razor. Of course, we should base that on evidence, but it's an important consideration.
@IDsFantasy
3 ай бұрын
Oh for sure! I definitely consider that when theorizing, hence why I talked about how UCN would be the end of Golden Freddy's arc, since otherwise that would go somewhat left behind
@davidgolfspro
3 ай бұрын
For me I probably have a weird take with the fnaf franchise. I do worldbuilding and run a dnd game in my free time. To me when worldbuilding, you create extra branches for yourself early on, so you can justify your later reasoning with those earlier branches. To look at the system holistically is nice in giving a new foundation for all the bricks that have been stacked precariously overtime. However that thinking can ignore the reality that the bricklayer most likely did not plan out a holistic structure, instead they were laying batches of bricks as they went along. Narrative if I were to assign someone most deserving of the title of "Most Vengeful Spirit" I would pick Michael. With all the personal trauma of causing the little siblings death, probable torture by Afton (assuming the nightmare gas was used against Michael), the agony of being mistaken as his father to then be scooped, to then get back up after throwing an exoskeleton out of you. All of that in mind, being springlocked does not sound that bad as what Michael went through. I had not known before this about the change of "Convicted" to "Charged" in FNAF 1, that was eye opening. I will say that there is probably a good, maybe obvious, counter to what I put here. I am not the best with the lore, I mainly engage in it out of chaotic fun and entertainment.
@IDsFantasy
3 ай бұрын
Michael being the VS is a cool idea, though I find it unlikely given the stuff I mentioned in the video about the VS being a child and referring to (probably) Michael as a separate entity Thanks for commenting :D
@Thedevegon
3 ай бұрын
The lore lost me at fnaf 1. Now I just enjoy people debating about animatronic toes and which dead kid is in which bear costume.
@IDsFantasy
3 ай бұрын
Nice XD
@Thedevegon
3 ай бұрын
@@IDsFantasy wow that was a fast reply XD
@pip_a_doodle2175
3 ай бұрын
relatable
@lea0703
3 ай бұрын
Yeah edgelord
@RetroBeetle
3 ай бұрын
Hmm. Well, I'm glad to finally hear your thoughts on the matter, even if I don't agree with the conclusion you reached. I'm gonna try to respond point-by-point to some of the things you said here, but let me be clear: in no way is this meant as a criticism of you or your content, nor is it meant to imply that you're "wrong" about anything (this is FNaF we're talking about, it's kinda hard to say _anything's_ objectively wrong). This is just my honest reaction to your take. 1. I don't 100% agree with the Dual-Process Theory video, myself, though I do appreciate the narrative it sets up. Something that I feel like gets mishandled far too often is FNaF's role as a story; either people completely disregard it and treat the games as one giant puzzle where everything connects (at the cost of anything making logical sense), or they overemphasize it and try to craft a whole plotline that ties everything in to theming or character traits. I feel like the answer is somewhere in-between, an overarching story that has recurring themes but which is broken up into pieces that have to be deciphered in order for the whole story to work. That's something that I feel like DPT did very well in their interpretation of FNaF; they presented what they felt was a fitting solution to the mystery, which involved characters' feelings but was still supported by evidence from several sources. Whether that solution is right or not remains to be seen, and I personally feel like the story is trying to say something different than what they proposed, but if it ends up being that they were right on the money, I think they did a good enough job of explaining it all that I would be content with it being the answer. 2. The yellow bear in the UCN cutscene doesn't exactly match FNaF 4/UCN Fredbear, but it _does_ match FNaF 3 Fredbear from "STAGE 01". As we've seen time and again (particularly recently through Security Breach and RUIN), Fredbear underwent a lot of design changes, even if they happened gradually; according to old posters, initially, he looked pretty much like Freddy, with dark-gold/light brown fur and black accessories, and in "STAGE 01", we see a version of Fredbear that's gone from brown to golden but which retains his black accessories. If the UCN yellow bear is indeed Fredbear, then it's likely an older model of Fredbear that was eventually replaced by the FNaF 4/UCN design; after all, it wouldn't make much sense for William to take the current Fredbear home, particularly if it's supposed to have been moved to Freddy's along with Spring Bonnie to be used by performers. 3. I think DPT calling the Scooper a Remnant extractor, though technically incorrect, still retains its point that the device was designed to _handle_ Remnant, which is what they were highlighting at that point in the video. 4. You bring up "Foxy Go! Go! Go!" as evidence that the fifth Missing Child was one of William's victims and not his son. While I don't disagree, that minigame only ever appeared in FNaF 2, which is before I believe Scott Cawthon decided to make the Golden Freddy spirit his own character apart from the other Missing Children; meanwhile, "Give Gifts, Give Life", another minigame from FNaF 2 that originally depicted five victims, _did_ reappear later in Pizzeria Simulator, and it was specifically modified _not_ to include that fifth victim. My best guess at the moment is that Scott started to want Golden Freddy's situation to be unique starting around the third game, where the Golden Freddy spirit requires that every other spirit be there before he can move on. 5. Putting the Golden Freddy plush/poppet with the others in Help Wanted 2 can still make sense if Golden Freddy is the Crying Child. Like you brought up earlier in the video, the Puppet being last could refer to her mask being the last to fall in "Happiest Day", and by that logic, the presence of Golden Freddy can simply be a connection _to_ "Happiest Day", where he and the other victims were present. 6. The clues leading to "Cassidy" in the Word Search actually aren't tied to Faded's writing of "MY NAME"; they're tied to the altered numbers on those pages, be they incorrect page numbers or recolored list numbers (in the case of Mike's note, bear in mind that his shift is from 12AM to 6AM; he shouldn't be in the building at 8:11, whether that's AM or PM, so it's unlikely that he wrote that specific time in the logbook). (Check replies for the rest)
@RetroBeetle
3 ай бұрын
7. "Who are you" and "What is your name" seem to be a response from Altered to Faded, but the answer likely doesn't lie in the Word Search; rather, it's in the Foxy Grid. The Foxy Grid contains three letters in its top-left corner, written in the _exact_ same font as Faded's messages. Faded's name is almost certainly in the logbook, or else they wouldn't be saying "MY NAME" everywhere, but it's not where everyone's been assuming it is. (The only problem is that we still need to actually solve the Foxy Grid...) 8. Per Scott's own admission, the FNaF movie is supposed to be based more so on the original story than what followed, i.e., the complicated plots involving the Aftons are almost entirely left out in favor of a story following a random security guard and the killer in a Spring Bonnie suit. Knowing him (and how he plays around with story elements between continuities), he probably made the Golden Freddy spirit his own character so as to avoid any connections to the games' Afton storyline. See also William's kids largely not existing in books released after their introduction in FNaF 4 and Sister Location. 9. One of the things I'm okay with disagreeing with from the DPT video is MikeVS. That said, I do still believe the Vengeful Spirit can make sense even if Cassidy is the Crying Child. I won't get into all of it here-to address the questions you raised, though, I will say that A.) a British _child_ who died and spent his entire afterlife in America would very likely forget how he used to sound in life and use an American accent, and B.) Golden Freddy's identity was still a mystery at the time of UCN's release, so Scott didn't want to give away a large piece of who the spirit is. If you need more information, I strongly recommend looking for some of my Reddit posts on the subject. 10. Something that I feel like has been largely overlooked by the community is Golden Freddy's ghostly behavior and how it differs from other animatronics' behavior. Golden Freddy can teleport _and_ kill people after doing so. The Phantoms can teleport, but they can only scare Michael and tamper with the office systems. Nobody else (save for the Nightmares, which are a special case) can teleport, or else they would do it all the time. Further, Golden Freddy literally fades away into thin air in FNaF 2, and he appears as a disembodied head, while other animatronics (i.e., Mangle) are incapable of altering their appearance in such a way. As for why this all is, I believe that Golden Freddy doesn't have a physical form. He's a lingering spirit without a body, something we know to be possible thanks to Pizzeria Simulator; after the spirits' vessels are destroyed in the fire, they're still able to meet up for "Happiest Day", and in the case of Golden Freddy, he's still able to latch onto his killer and create UCN. 11. I don't think the Stitchwraith is meant to explain Golden Freddy, but rather Ennard. Both the Stitchwraith and Ennard are comprised of pieces that were possessed separately and which now inhabit the same body (there's also the matter of controlling the body, something represented in both the Stitchwraith stingers _and_ the ScottGames/FNaFWorld argument between Baby and the other spirits). Meanwhile, before the Frights books, there was never any evidence pointing toward Golden Freddy carrying two spirits, and if Scott really did try to clarify points that we missed in later games, then there really should have been _something_ hinting toward there being two spirits before then. 12. If it's really meant to symbolize anything (and not just be, you know... a picture made by Fazbear Entertainment [just like the logbook]), then I actually see the Endo Daycare picture as _contradicting_ the idea of the black-haired girl being Cassidy in the games. Remember, the picture has an 'X' over it, indicating that something is wrong about it. I personally take that to mean that Cassidy was _not_ a girl like the picture suggests. That said, it's not very clear what specifically is supposed to be wrong about the picture, so I still stand by it just being a random picture in-universe. 13. To your point about theories and our first instinct being right: I disagree. Sometimes, it really _is_ a second look that provides the answer we're looking for. Think back to theories like PurplePhone, or BV87, or WillSL, or MikeTrap, or GregBot. All of these theories were the first draft, the first explanations we decided on for various elements of the story before going back and asking if we got something wrong. In all of these cases, they ended up being wrong, and continuing to believe them in spite of new evidence led to difficulty in understanding the whole story. We wouldn't be where we are today, arguably closer to having everything pre-Help Wanted figured out than ever, if we hadn't been open to rethinking our past conclusions. I believe it is the job of every theorist to ask questions, and if an answer doesn't make sense, to continue to ask more questions until it does make sense. --- Again, let me reiterate that I don't want to make it out that you're "wrong" or that I think less of you for your thoughts. Until such a time as Scott lays everything out on the table for us to see, all we really have _are_ our thoughts, and it would be horribly arrogant of me to try and tell you that yours are invalid. This is just me expressing where my own thoughts differ from yours, and hoping to understand yours better through however you choose to respond to this comment. Please, don't let me stop you from expressing what you believe in. Keep up the good work, as always!
@UnoriginalJokester
3 ай бұрын
You do say Cassidy's name is found through altered text, but that still leaves a question: Why are Faded's writings of "MY NAME" always next to those hints in the first place? They're clearly meant to be linked in some way, because that's the only way the puzzle can be solved; finding a number that has Faded's "MY NAME" on it. I'd have an easier time believing "Cassidy" isn't Faded's name if there were at least one exception, but there's not. I'm just asking because I've never seen an advocate of this theory explain that detail, at least not in a way I personally find believable.
@RetroBeetle
3 ай бұрын
@@UnoriginalJokester You bring up a good point, but there is at least one example of a "MY NAME" hint and an Altered number not being directly connected. On Page 79, otherwise known as the "real value" page, Faded leaves behind a "MY NAME" message, but there isn't any Altered number to go with it. My understanding is that the page Mike redirects you to (Page 61) _does_ contain a piece of the Word Search puzzle, but if it's really a part of Faded's name, why didn't they just write "MY NAME" on Page 61 instead? It leads me to wonder if, perhaps, Faded is referring to a hint to _their own name_ that happens to also be on Page 79. As for why they generally happen to appear together, remember that Altered specifically asked Faded what their name was through the Word Search. It's likely that Faded left their own hints in the same places where Altered had already changed numbers, so as to ensure that Altered would see them.
@UnoriginalJokester
3 ай бұрын
@@RetroBeetle The most likely answer is because this is a puzzle & the author(s?) wanted to add in some extra steps. If we're questioning things like this, then we'd end up asking why Faded is even hiding their name behind a puzzle in the first place. I mean, Faded writes all over the Logbook. Every message Faded writes is intended for whoever they're talking to to see, not just the "MY NAME" stuff. And it just seems messy from an author's standpoint to put hints for both names in the same place. It also kind of contradicts your previous proposal. You said there could be a hint to Faded's name on Page 79, but like you said, the code to Cassidy's name isn't actually on that page. So in that case, Faded isn't placing their hints near Altered's, at least not all the time.
@deathclawproductions6723
3 ай бұрын
@@UnoriginalJokester As far as I’m aware there’s only one with Scott probably seeing over the book, but yeah us finding Faded’s name in the word search is easily explained by the fact it’s a puzzle and us needing someway to discover the answer with the word search being that way. The fact that Faded quite consistently writes “My Name” near the word search hints I feel like makes it a pretty clear connection. It also really wouldn’t make sense for the authors to place hints for two different names in the exact same location, especially given that we’re only aware of two clear puzzles in the logbook one of which is still unsolved and doesn’t seem to have any clues hinted at from Faded’s text either.
@kubaxwot4629
3 ай бұрын
Nah it's me I'm Golden Frederic von Fazbear the First I've taken place of a 17 years old polish gentelman named Jacob P. I've been living with his family for the past 5 years
@IDsFantasy
3 ай бұрын
Good to know lol
@germanscience7246
3 ай бұрын
I would also like to point out that michael being a venegful spirit doesn't seem in line with what little we see of his personality. In both the SL custom night ending scene and the log book, he comes off as a depressed individual who's only goal is to find william and then die in peace. His tone never indicates a desire for vengance.
@shefalimaurya3747
25 күн бұрын
His speech in sister location and his years of relationship to william actually makes sense why he is vengeful. "I'm going to come find you" sounds threatening. HE spent YEARS with william, and in this theory william abused him. If I was him, burning him alive wouldn't be enough. Alot of points people say that don't makke sense to them make sense to me.
@midnight4566
3 ай бұрын
It an interesting theory. but i am curious about what other theory’s dual process will make. Keep up the good work as always
@IDsFantasy
3 ай бұрын
Same. And thank you! I'll do my best :D
@bluedominator4874
3 ай бұрын
One thing I feel most people seem to be missing currently is the possibility of the past before any deaths could have on Henry. This is much more speculation since it isn't confirmed in any games but Help Wanted 2 seems to imply that a fire occurred at the Fall Fest which I believe is confirmed to be Henry's creation because Lefty is just Carnie and we know Henry made Lefty. It's possible the wound first inflicted on Henry is this fire that occurred at the Fall fest which make more sense to me than referring to someone else's death being first inflicted on him. Even so with what we know now ignoring possible past events the Crying Child's injury or death would be the wound first inflicted.
@IDsFantasy
3 ай бұрын
Interesting idea, though it would be quite a late twist. Guess we'll see XD
@Flowermations
3 ай бұрын
Yeah, I thought that too, I have a feeling this is the ¨wound¨ he is talking about rather then William murdering his daughter Charlie outside the restaurant on a rainy night, when the order of the gravestones in Help Wanted 2 show she died last after Susie, Fritz, Gabriel, Jeremy, and Cassidy.
@michaelcarlton1484
3 ай бұрын
Maybe someone died at Fall Fest?
@bluedominator4874
3 ай бұрын
@@michaelcarlton1484 The only possibility would have to be Henry's wife since she would have been close to Henry and I don't think we see her at all in the games which is pretty strange, but I don't think Henry would be working with William if that were the case. I think it's easier to overlook the burning of some robots rather than the death of a loved one. Also its a wound, not something deep or scarring, although the wording could be wrong in its meaning but I don't see Henry working with someone who he knew killed someone else.
@michaelcarlton1484
3 ай бұрын
@@bluedominator4874 Could be a situation where someone was indirectly killed. There seems to be a lot of hints of there being a fire. Doesn't even need to necessarily be someone close to Henry. The event being ruined by a death and fire could have been enough to be a 'wound'.
@Sock-Monster-Simian
3 ай бұрын
I love Dual Process Theory giving a go at it for the same reason I loved John for doing it too. They've both tried to tear things back and rework things in different ways to give different conclusions. Even if I don't agree with all of the conclusions, these theories really make you think of things in ways that open your mind to other possibilities (and John especially has proven that that mindset is a great one to have, since he's come up with some great theories over the years, among other somewhat weaker ones).
@IDsFantasy
3 ай бұрын
Yeah. It's good to try and see things from different perspectives
@snowberry_19
3 ай бұрын
Sire Squawks has a theory that Cassidy was helping the Crying Child reach their happiest day and that's what connects them, other than deaths related to Fred Bear. Effectively, Cassidy was the one who put the Crying Child back together. I think his videos on that idea might be good ones to watch
@IDsFantasy
3 ай бұрын
Interesting idea
@straythorn0117
3 ай бұрын
While the dual process theory video has some issues I’m VERY HAPPY it exists and gives a counter to what so many of us have considered as fact(intentionally or unintentionally). Even with the holes in their theory it has given the community something to focus on, which IMO we haven’t had for a lil while. And now we get videos like yours countering the counter which is how good theorizing happens! :D
@shadowr7275
3 ай бұрын
The Golden Duo theory survives once more... Until Scott releases another source material with a Golden Freddy reference in it and everything explodes, that is.
@IDsFantasy
3 ай бұрын
Yeah XD
@TMFisms
3 ай бұрын
I agree 💯 to me Dual Process's theory is narratively extremely satisfying, however the facts and evidence are built off their goal to support that specific narrative, rather than building a narrative off the facts.
@IDsFantasy
3 ай бұрын
Exactly
@relloz6
3 ай бұрын
I don't 100% agree with the refutation of the word search evidence. You're right to point out that dual process were a bit quick to dismiss the "my name" faded text, but the fact that the actual answers to the word search on those pages are in altered text is still notable. Its not like faded picked pages that already had the correct page numbers (with michael filling in necessary blanks); the altered text changed those page numbers and ONLY those page numbers to answer the prompt. I think one possible explanation to this that dual process should have considered is that cassidy IS the faded text, but that crying child and michael KNEW cassidy for some reason, and its not "MY Name Is" throughout the book but "My Name?", the faded text needing help to remember it's OWN name. That would explain why the altered text is used to actually present the name, and also why michael seems to know whats going on and is working to help. The problem is there's like... no evidence for who this third kid would be in relation to the two aftons, beyond "someone their dad killed", which almost 100% happened AFTER the crying child died, at which point the question becomes "why does the crying child know this person's name, and why do they care to help?" Tl;dr: I think that dual process have brought up a very valid contradiction within the evidence provided in the logbook, but I don't think their theory actually resolves all of the contradictions they found, nor do I currently have a theory that solidly does so.
@IDsFantasy
3 ай бұрын
One of the clues is actually a number Michael wrote, not something altered. I personally don't think would make sense for the "my" to refer to someone other than the speaker. As I mentioned, why not just write "your name". But yes, that's actually similar to the point I expected them to make lol
@relloz6
3 ай бұрын
@@IDsFantasy no yeah, sorry that was my point. If Michael was filling in the "missing" numbers regardless, I'd expect the faded text to be getting that help from mike consistently for numbers that just don't exist in the book, but its instead the crying child's edited text changing the page numbers (and, iirc, only those page numbers) to match. I think dual process were entirely right to call out that this means the crying child is making an active effort to help answer this prompt, which is strange given the long-standing interpretation that Cassidy is telling their as-yet-unknown name to the crying child. I think you're right to note that their over-all conclusion doesn't resolve this contradiction either, but I do think its a contradiction the existing cassidy theory has overlooked\missed.
@Miguel-xl8ui
3 ай бұрын
The point of the conversation between Faded and Altered is that Faded is trying to help Altered gain back their memories ("What do you remember?"). Altered is CC and his memories are split, so you have to put them back together. For the word search, Faded is trying to help CC remember who Faded is (a further step in gaining his memories back). And how does Faded do that? By using CC's text alterations to guide him towards Faded's name (Cassidy). The reason why Faded's name is known through CC's clues is because Faded is trying to help CC remember, to put him back together, and for that he uses CC's distortions as "pieces" which, when put together, restore a memory - the name "Cassidy"; this is further evidenced by Faded leaving the phrase "My name" in every page which contains CC's clues. So the clues are for Faded's name. There's also Mike's involvement in one the clues. I think it's actually possible that the clue laid out by Mike was actually altered by Altered, since all the other clues are made by Altered and the way he does them is by picking up existing things and distorting them, so just like Altered distorted the Logbooks printed content, it's also possible that he distorted Mike's answer in the Logbook so as to turn it into a clue. Afterall, the clue in question is that Michael writes 8:11 on the time of a security guard incident report, which makes no sense, since Mike's shift ends before 8:11; it would make sense, however, if Altered changed Mike's answer to make it a clue.
@Ben-zg8xk
3 ай бұрын
cassidys name is fgound in unaltered text
@relloz6
3 ай бұрын
@@Ben-zg8xk sure, yes, but it is found by USING altered text (and mike's red pen for one of them). Implying that the crying child must have some agency in handing out these clues; they are the one editing the page numbers on the "my name" pages to give the clues, NOT the faded text whose name it presumably is.
@germanscience7246
3 ай бұрын
schrodinger's golden freddy: golden freddy is both cassidy and not casiddy until scott says otherwise
@creekkid42
3 ай бұрын
i think the golden freddy stuff gets over complicated by getting in the weeds about the logistics of pocession. CC get's chomped fredbear. That's enough of a connection. We even have the concept of Agony to back it up. Even if his body isn't literally in fred bear, i'd say getting chomped is a pretty agonizing experience.
@IDsFantasy
3 ай бұрын
Exactly
@nightslayer2297
3 ай бұрын
I appreciate another that pointed out the thing with the face plate they say so confidently that the funtimes aren't special whilst showing Bonnie's mask opening in a completely different way to the funtime's
@Celtic1020
3 ай бұрын
11:38 Yes but we have two canon conflicting sources here. Both Chica and Charlie are claimed to be the first. I think that just means Chica was the first MCI victim and Charlie could still be the first death overall, but this has never been stated.
@IDsFantasy
3 ай бұрын
Agreed
@__ocean_arts__
3 ай бұрын
Yea, as Charlie has almost never been grouped up with the missing kids. Probably cuz she died around 1983 while susie was the first 1985 victim.
@TheLiveactiongamer
3 ай бұрын
For a first video they did extremely well, even if they got things incorrect or missed things, they put together a well edited entertaining theory video. excited to see where they go from here! more theories never a bad thing. xD
@IDsFantasy
3 ай бұрын
Yeah. It was an interesting video, though I wish they'd fact checked their evidence and conclusions better
@0ndem
3 ай бұрын
Micheal Afton killed the crying child through negligence. There is no way that mouth should have been able to close with someone's body part inside it. This is basic safety for non isolated robotics.
@IDsFantasy
3 ай бұрын
Yep
@Spencycle
3 ай бұрын
1. I still firmly believe in GoldenDuo. DPT said in their video that Fnaf 1 Golden Freddy says It's ME and not It's US. But if the Fnaf 1 night guard was Michael Afton (which, as you said, is heavily implied by the security logbook), it would still make sense. CC is the one saying It's Me because he's trying to get his brother to recognize him, but is ultimately overcome by Cassidy's more violent intentions when GF jumpscares us. I think Fnaf 1 Golden Freddy looks unwithered because CC is trying to take on the Fredbear form that Michael would actually remember. He misses turning the hat purple, but I feel like TerminalError explains that pretty well: the hat and bowtie turn black because Cassidy's soul influenced the suit's appearance and any posters which feature Fredbear with a black hat were just altered as kind of a coverup, since Fazbear Ent. themselves probably didn't understand why the hat had turned black. Meanwhile, in Fnaf 2, not only does GF look withered, but he's not saying It's Me. It's because Jeremy is someone CC doesn't recognize, so he's not calling out to him. Also, instead of taking on the form of Fredbear in his prime time, he looks withered because it's either taking on the form of what the suit looked like when Cassidy was stuffed into it, or he just looks like GF would look like now after so much time has passed (the second one is probably more likely, since UCN shows us a twitching UNwithered Fredbear and this is likely depicting when Cassidy was killed by the springlocks). So yeah. More evidence for GoldenDuo. 2. Thanks for adressing the idea that theories get attention when they make bold claims that go against the modern assumption. It's 100% true. Pretty much all you need to do to make a theory get attention is A, put Golden Freddy on the thumbnail, and B, strecth details to make a theory that flies in the face of tons more solid evidence. DPT does both of those. We definitely need to remind the fanbase not to trust every groundbraking theory they see. Can we call the "Cassidy-is-crying-child/there-is-no-fifth-missing-kid theory the CryingCassidy theory? Idk, I just think it sounds funny.
@IDsFantasy
3 ай бұрын
I think that's a pretty good summary of the stuff That would work as a theory name lol
@ValToadstool
3 ай бұрын
Stupid idea: both the crying child and the 5th mci victim are named Cassidy
@eiiza8283
3 ай бұрын
Well, Scott has reused names before... (and something about CC having a name starting with C makes me happy lol)
@THE_END.ヽ
2 ай бұрын
Plot twist: neither CC nor a 5th victim existed and it was all William hallucinations caused by his own gas.
@TheWizardMus
3 ай бұрын
After watching Duel Process Theory im starting to think that Cassidy IS Crying Child's name, but the Vengeful Spirit is an unnamed mysterious MCI kid, cuz that does sound thematic for Golden Freddy, whos always been the poster child for FNaF's mysteries. Essentially >Cassidy dies and is unable to do anything while attached to Fredbear/GF/Psychic Friend Fredbear >Vengeful Spirit dies in the MCI >Charlie whos in FNaF3 is Faded Text talking to Cassidy as Altered Text >Micheal recognizes Cassidy's name and gives one of the final hints to it(a major reason i dont think Cassidy is an MCI kid) >Charlie concots FNaF World + Happiest Day >Cassidy Moves On >After FNaF 1 Vengeful Spirit torments Afton
@IDsFantasy
3 ай бұрын
Interesting. I think it makes more sense for the spirit claiming the name is theirs to be Cassidy, but you're free to disagree
@Llan_12
3 ай бұрын
The problem that I have with cassidy is mci is that micheal recognized a spirit base on what he could read, then ¿why is the hint that micheal gave us for the faded spirit which didn't gave us and micheal something to be recognized? (Thinking more from micheal's perspective)
@finixmoon127
3 ай бұрын
That would just be sloppy writing tbh
@TheWizardMus
3 ай бұрын
@@finixmoon127 it's FNaF there's always been some sloppy writing. I think it's cleaner to have the name of the final Afton kid and have the mysterious character's name remain mysterious than to arbitrarily have no answer for what CC's name is. It's also cleaner for Micheal to give a hint for his brother's name than for a random kid that he doesn't know.
@raidenhanamura2638
3 ай бұрын
The names of the MCI kids would’ve been public knowledge. Michael might have just recognised one of the names he read/heard about
@katy_banks
3 ай бұрын
Honestly yes. This totally brought up all my thoughts when initially hearing/going through that prior theory - although there were defo cool points and it’s great to see more new theorists for sure! I feel like this video holistically not only rewrapped up old theories with what we know now, but also helped keep things on whatever kind of track you can have with whirlwind lore like this franchise, and also included some good and kind pointers to anyone trying to craft their own theories! Overall really satisfying to see it being put all together like this again, and as always a banger upload 😊💕
@IDsFantasy
3 ай бұрын
Thank you!!!
@treebotreviews
3 ай бұрын
I can’t wrap my head around the Golden freddy SL theory. I personally think at the moment that it’s Ella. It’s baby’s old pizzeria, not a Freddy’s. BUT Ella wasn’t created til later on. I realize that, BUT that’s the only other spring lock suit that could have face plates. But that’s still reaching because that’s never been explicitly retconned which is probably why Scott wants to leave it open ended. I feel like it makes more sense that they’re seperate children. It just adds up way more as you said. Love your videos as always. You always make my theories make more sense.
@IDsFantasy
3 ай бұрын
Thanks!!! Happy to help XD
@RedGalaxy00
3 ай бұрын
I've never believed the 2 spirits thing, and always thought the evidence was pushing it. Like the "two lights" thing... It's clearly one light, and the light bounces back, showing the inside of the mask, like it does with freddy and bonnie. Yes, the light bouncing back is yellow, but that's because Fredbear is yellow. And the while there are 2 spirits in the workbook, the faded text, which is attributed to cassidy/vengeful spirit, is nothing but helpful in that book. Doesn't really come off as vengeful at all, honestly. I'm not sure if it's the puppet or not, but it doesn't malicious, which the vengeful spirit does.
@IDsFantasy
3 ай бұрын
I don't think Cassidy would be angry at CC. The vengeance would be targeted at William wouldn't it?
@RedGalaxy00
3 ай бұрын
@@IDsFantasy I mean, maybe, but when you use Andrew as the stand-in for Cassidy the girl, Andrew is kind of always mean, and doesn't really care for or about Jake, and is often rude to him, while Jake is the kind, patient one. It's kind of been my head-canon that Jake is actually the stand-in for the Puppet (he is tied to mask), who wants to help Andrew finally rest, while Andrew is clearly a Stand-in for the vengeful spirit. And other than having a name of Cassidy, Cassidy the girl doesn't really exist in the game canon, but if we look at the work book, it does feel more appropriate for faded text it to be the puppet rather than the vengeful spirit. Again, not sure if it is, but it does feel that way. (Not sure if this rambling made sense, but it's what I got.)
@Blazecap
3 ай бұрын
Ngl I’m still a golden duo believer but I have seen compelling cases for other interpretations
@IDsFantasy
3 ай бұрын
I certainly still am as well lol. I do think other interpretations are interesting though yeah
@NionzaNari
3 ай бұрын
While a lot of things in the Dual Process Theory video are a bit flimsy, it very much highlights how weak the idea that the vengeful spirit is a separate character named Cassidy is. IMO, there is a lot of stuff that the FNAF fandom accepts as absolute fact despite it being little more than popular fan fiction. When new information is revealed, the fandom seems a bit too eager to bend it into a pretzel to fit preexisting assumptions, or explain it away if it contradicts preexisting assumptions.
@IDsFantasy
3 ай бұрын
I do think they make a good point that we don't have a lot confirmed, but I do think the evidence for Cassidy and CC being separate at least it's pretty solid, so long as you take faded claiming the name Cassidy seriously. There is less on the Vengeful Spirit front though, other than the one cutscene that could be interpreted in a variety of ways But yeah, you're absolutely right that people tend to stick to ideas despite evidence to the contrary. It's definitely important to account for all the evidence, not just what's convenient
@pip_a_doodle2175
3 ай бұрын
Thank you for this! I respect DPT's video quite a bit, but I love other creators debating it
@IDsFantasy
3 ай бұрын
Tis good to be able to have civil debate :D
@pip_a_doodle2175
3 ай бұрын
@@IDsFantasy tis indeed
@mostlyghostey
3 ай бұрын
Your theories are always so dense I feel like I have to watch them multiple times to pick up all the info that you’ve presented! They are always so thorough. Also, the song you always use in the BG for your theories always gets me in a lore mood, because of you!
@IDsFantasy
3 ай бұрын
Well I hope the rewatches are fun XD. And nice on the music lol
@Tw1s7
3 ай бұрын
They cooked. She said, with a calm tone: "Mid" I love it.
@IDsFantasy
3 ай бұрын
Pfft. Thank you lol
@Tw1s7
3 ай бұрын
@@IDsFantasy I honestly am happy you called out a few of the inconsistencies. Matpat even missed on some of them. I hope he reviews your video.
@VictorbrineSC
2 ай бұрын
The fact that all the vagueness in the lore can be traced back to Scott Cawthon just having no clue where to take the story and writing it along the way. This is why I love the FNAF lore and fandom, no other franchises really have this vagueness they do have a red line whereas FNAF lacks one.
@kiran6440
3 ай бұрын
fantastic theory! i felt that some parts of the dual process theory were overlooking evidence used for the standard fandom interpretations of golden freddy and the vengeful spirit, but it's been so long that i couldn't remember the details. this video lays it out so clearly and reminded me why the standard interpretations became so accepted in the first place subscribed! keep making great theories!! :D
@IDsFantasy
3 ай бұрын
Thank you!!! I'm glad you liked the video :D
@Neutral_Tired
3 ай бұрын
I think the grave minigame is definitely meant to say Charlie died last. Most of these theories are made from a Watsonian PoV but, if you look at it from a Doylist PoV, treating it as a narrative device rather than a piece of evidence, it's what makes the most sense. A puzzle involving gravestones is almost always going to be a puzzle about death, lighting the gravestones in a certain order makes the most sense to be a depiction of the order they died in. If it were a depiction of the order the kids were freed in the happiest day, why would it matter what order you did the first 4 kids, since they already had their masks on when the scene began? And it doesn't really make sense for it to be the order of death for the other 5 but mean something totally different for just Charlie. It's important to remember these mysteries are also a story, you have to look at them from a storyteller's PoV as well as a theorist's PoV in order to really understand it
@IDsFantasy
3 ай бұрын
Then how was Henry the first wounded? It would be strange for him to say that if 5 other kids unrelated to him died. Not to mention Henry mentions he *let* it bleed out, implying everything was after
@Neutral_Tired
3 ай бұрын
@@IDsFantasy that's a good point, and one I don't really have an answer to. As much of a copout as this is, I think, honestly, there's never going to be an answer that fully satisfies all the clues because the answer has been changed so many times by several different people
@Thommy_A
3 ай бұрын
Sometimes I wonder if Scott knew how important the springlock suit he put in one sister location level would be the lore
@Momo_Minomo
3 ай бұрын
This perfectly lays out all my issues with Dual Process' theory. I think it was well crafted, interesting, and entertaining but they unintentionally misinterpreted several major points and directly contradicted a few of the concrete facts we know like that Golden Freddy doesn't have Funtime face plates. I hope they continue to make theories, even when I don't agree with them I love watching theory videos because they always make me stop and rethink all my knowledge and assumptions and that's just straight up fun.
@IDsFantasy
3 ай бұрын
Yep
@g4m-3r
3 ай бұрын
I think the piece of fnaf products I like the most is the Survival logbook, for some reason, is the most straightforward evidence we can find despite being also a mystery and, for me, I always believe that Cassidy and CC, both, possess golden freddy primarly because of the conversation that occurs between the faded text and the altered text
@IDsFantasy
3 ай бұрын
Agreed!
@FloundFahrdienst
3 ай бұрын
My biggest issue with DPT theory was that they wanted to make Mikel the vengefull spirit, but ignoring several details that would make this impossible like you said. For example they completely ignore that if you use a death coin on golden freddy, Fredbear attacks you. Everything points to the fact that the vengefull spirit is golden freddy. Its like Matpat pointed out in his last GTlive that they wanted to make a narrative just like he did and reached because of that. But like you said they do make a few good points. I really like the idea that crying childs body is in the box
@deniselopez5702
3 ай бұрын
Eh, Mike in DPT was likely blamed for CC’s death all his life, so death token golden freddy could also be mike telling william that he cant hide from the murder(s) of his own son(s)
@playmaster_plus
3 ай бұрын
The line of logic leading to the two major points dissuaded me from 'believing' the DP theory, but I enjoyed the supporting evidences they brought up as callouts
@JinxeBlaq
3 ай бұрын
19:39 Hey, you’re not wrong- There is only one light source... Ya know it'd be crazy if the whole dual spirit theory was based on a pure misunderstanding.
@IDsFantasy
3 ай бұрын
It would be yeah lol. I do think there's decent evidence for it though. There are 2 Logbook Spirits and CC is shown in conjunction with Fredbear the most, not to mention the other stuff I talk about near the end of the video
@GJames-Legend101
3 ай бұрын
Heres what I think. Personally I do think golden Freddy did at some point have both the souls of the crying child and the vengeful spirit inside of him, but I also think that it’s possible that at some point the spirits inside golden Freddy were both freed from the suit, crying child during fnaf 3 and if Cassidy is the princess in princess quest I think it’s possible that her soul somehow managed to posses the code of the game, leaving golden Freddy without souls, however what if instead of being possessed now golden Freddy is now haunted by the agony of both crying child and vengeful spirit.
@IDsFantasy
3 ай бұрын
Valid!
@corbpeter1389
3 ай бұрын
I've been waiting for a video like this for awhile ever since their video started blowing up. While I appreciate the love and effort they put into it feels like at some points they blatantly misrepresent things to have some big changes(This combined with the title). I think there are some good view points but if we were to move forward on the ideas in that video we'd be thrown so far off from the actual story. I enjoy the encouragement everyone gave them but criticism is necessary in this community to genuinely solve things. Btw love your vids and can't get enough of them.
@IDsFantasy
3 ай бұрын
Agreed. And thank you!!!
@corbpeter1389
3 ай бұрын
@@IDsFantasy Of course. Honestly surprised this didnt get lost in the sea of comments but Fnaf discussion is always fun since there is no clear cut answer
@mykarm0
3 ай бұрын
I think that what Scott meant by connections between books and games are like how stitch wraith and golden Freddy being possessed by two similar children. I feel like more lore could be found if we treated the books as candy cadet stories sometimes because some stories have parallels.
@IDsFantasy
3 ай бұрын
Yeah
@pitaya_is_cool1408
3 ай бұрын
The main thing that got me in their theory was around the halfway point by just waving away a major contradiction by saying “Scott just forgot.” I can understand using circumstantial evidence to reach a conclusion, then reinterpreting other evidence to fit that later, as long as you do the work to explain existing contradictions, but if you have to just say “nah” to make your theory work, then you seriously need to rethink your perspective. It was at that point I went back to the start of the theory and scrutinized all they said before they reached their conclusion, which is when a lot of the holes started to show. I think a major reason why they didn’t catch it themselves was that the theory was written in a way to present evidence first and reveal their thesis later, which let a lot of inconsistencies slip through the cracks while the thesis was still being refined. That said, a lot of their minor reinterpretations and evidence (not sister location fredbear… I just… can’t with that one) were really thought provoking and worked well on their own. IMO trying to create a timeline to work with their thesis was what really screwed them in the end.
@IDsFantasy
3 ай бұрын
Yeahhhh, stuff like that bothers me a lot. While some of the interpretations were very interesting, the story didn't really line up in the end and waving off contradictions is not a great plan
@Quillobyte_
3 ай бұрын
TBH I think the Crying Child didn't possess anything. FNaF ghosts usually stick around because of unfinished business: they were murdered and want revenge on their killer- but the Crying Child just died from a prank gone wrong. He also basically disappears after FNAF 4, which means his soul probably didn't stick around like the others. I think he got lost going into the afterlife, and it was up to the other ghosts to help him find his way, which is sort-of what happens in FNaF World's hidden ending, FNaF 3's hidden ending, and the Logbook's hidden text. That might even be why he says he can't see and has trouble remembering: he's a loose spirit stuck in purgatory. If he did possess anything, it'd the Fredbear Plush. Iit makes more sense for him to possess the hidden cam plush bear that he holds at all times and was right next to him in the hospital, rather than a robot that's miles away in a diner somewhere. That could also explain why he disappears for most of the timeline, since he'd be an immobile teddy bear on a desk in Afton's underground robo-bunker.
@IDsFantasy
3 ай бұрын
I actually think he's the reason Mike experiences the FNAF 4 nightmares, so I do think he's around, but that's fair. Interesting idea for him to be the plush!
@martirubiogomez1451
3 ай бұрын
Watching this at 3:00 AM was not the best idea i'm afraid
@IDsFantasy
3 ай бұрын
Oop
@marmotanimated6148
3 ай бұрын
Why would Henry make the security puppet to protect Charlie if she was the first victim? It makes sense if he built it as a response to the MCI murders to solely protect Charlie. This coincides with how she's the last grave in Help Wanted 2, when the order of graves is based on the order of murders (since Chica was the first). The placement of Charlie's grave and the Puppet mask falling after the others could just be referencing how Charlie is the guardian of the other spirits.
@IDsFantasy
3 ай бұрын
The Puppet wasn't built to protect anyone, at least not as far as we're told. It's made specifically to keep kids with a certain bracelet color (if it was for protection, why limit ita protection to one kid?) in the building; it's more a babysitter than anything else.
@nathanielmartins5930
3 ай бұрын
Through my years of watching other people trying to solve FNAF, I have come to the conclusion that FNAF is a Lynchian story where an inherent meaning doesn't necessarily exist, instead the purpose of the story is to get the reader to engage with it and think about it to create a meaning. I do realise their theory has enough holes to sink a ship, but the meaning and story they wove out of the beats Scott put out over the years is a good andcompelling story with a great conclusion that I don't feel like it's worth it to point out the holes.
@IDsFantasy
3 ай бұрын
As someone trying to figure out the intended story, not just a cool one, I definitely think it's important to point out the holes. That being said, if someone wants to speculate and have headcanons that's fine
@EchoingVision
3 ай бұрын
The fact that you mentioned Scraptrap has parts of Fredbear on him in a way that sounds like common knowledge is mortifying, cause that revelation just shook my entire perception of the character
@IDsFantasy
3 ай бұрын
XD sorry. I would have gone into more detail but I was speed running this video lol
@EchoingVision
3 ай бұрын
@@IDsFantasy the problem is it’s been 7 years and the entire time I thought Scraptrap was some kind of model mess up or a rush job, someone had to tell me that Scraptrap has parts of Fredbear and now it’s seems so blatantly obvious that I’m so disappointed in myself for never realizing it.
@absolutebad3333
3 ай бұрын
The only issue i have with your point of puppets mask being last to fall as a counterargument for the grave order is that all the other masks hit the ground at the same time. So you cant really say it for that reason. If the other masks hit the ground at the same time you cant pick an order from them like that as itd be arbitrary and ultimately connect back to order of deaths in some way.
@IDsFantasy
3 ай бұрын
That's fair. I do think that it could still be symbolizing something else though, since I can't think of any other explanation for Henry's statement about being the first impacted. After all, if anyone died before someone he was connected to, he wouldn't have been the first wounded by William's actions
@_4y4m3_ch4n_
3 ай бұрын
@@IDsFantasy the masks falling is probably just for ending effect, to be honest.....
@iunnoo
3 ай бұрын
SSHHH lets let scott *think* we believe their theory so he'll be forced to give us answers in the next game
@IDsFantasy
3 ай бұрын
Lol fair
@ecw613
3 ай бұрын
Tbh I love Dual Proccess Theory's style, their logo especially is just *mwah* chef's kiss and their coloring and theming is perfect, not to mention the synergy between the two hosts
@IDsFantasy
3 ай бұрын
Yeah that's cool
@generalsmite7167
3 ай бұрын
I appreciate this theory as it is exactly what I thought so 10/10. Duel process theory made a lot of leaps while ignoring some important evidence. The theory introduced big ideas that had little to no evidence and no thematic parallels from the books. The theory was good in the fact it got people rethinking FNAF and not taking anything as law but they intern seem to be getting evidence to support their conclusion not using evidence to make a conclusion.
@IDsFantasy
3 ай бұрын
Yeah that's the vibe I got as well. I respect the effort, but the evidence is important
@amaryllis1454
3 ай бұрын
To be honest I really liked the dual process video, mainly for building a very interesting story with good payoff, and I’m absolutely biased but I think I like that better than fitting every bit of evidence perfectly. The Cassidy of the general consensus always seemed off to me, I don’t see what makes them special or why they would be that important, really it seems we have more info and connections to the other missing kids (chica is the first, foxy as the one always put apart and bunny and freddy as the dynamic duo) meanwhile cassidy is just a black box with revenge on the tin. I do think you make very good points in terms of evidence, but I also understand wanting to build something while changing perspectives or even just skipping some stuff. With the sheet amount of info in this series it feels unavoidable. I did like them mixing both new and old stuff (the phone calls in particular get barely a mention these days but they are what made it interesting in the first place in my opinion). Anyway I appreciate your outlook as it helped me put into perspective the dual process video and see where in fact the evidence falls short (which I also think maybe could lead to adjustments rather than dismissal but i digress). Thank you for being clear and offering valid corrections to be considered, while still being very respectful and good job on the video.
@IDsFantasy
2 ай бұрын
Thank you!
@thedumbduck9253
3 ай бұрын
Here's my take: CC can be Cassidy, but I don't think he can be passed off as one of the missing children. His head got crushed, he died in the hospital after an hour or two, then William got ahold of his body to conduct experiments and pretended to properly bury him. If anything, the mci incident was meant to cover up Elizabeth's death. We got reasoning as to why Baby's closed, but we don't have a reason as to how Elizabeth went missing. William can't say that his daughter was killed by an child killing animatronic that he designed, so he instead killed more children to frame it as if someone was targeting children in fazbear locations.
@IDsFantasy
3 ай бұрын
I lean to him not being Cassidy because of Faded claiming the name and altered being implied to be CC, but yeah, either way CC being an MCI kid doesn't make much sense imo either
@EnigmaticStationary-gc3of
3 ай бұрын
I'm kind of a sidelines fan of FNAF like... I pretty much just know things from watching KZitem videos of all the FNAFtubers? Never played the games or read the books because I am a wimp when it comes to horror. Anyway. I feel like what's so compelling about DPT is they burst onto the scene with such a good... complete video? I don't know if there are any "right" theories because I don't know if FNAF was created with a "right" timeline or... really any fully 100% correct information. Which is one of the reasons I love and dislike the franchise so much. But it's always nice to hear people talk about it with such energy. BTW you have a very nice voice and I like the way you explained your disagreement. Subscribed.
@IDsFantasy
3 ай бұрын
Fair lol. I actually don't play the games usually either. I just watch people play it and memorize a lot XD Thank you!
@kaineandrews3790
3 ай бұрын
One thing that really bugs me about the theory that the Sister Location springlock suit is ultimately Fredbear is the dialogue in that scene. When Baby (or Ennard) puts you in it, she (or he/they) says it’s something from her old pizzeria, that was never used… “at least, not the way it was meant to be used.” Fredbear (and thus, by extension according to the theory, Golden Freddy) *was* used as intended in animatronic form, at least, and my brain insists that there’s some image somewhere that shows Henry wearing it as a suit, though I can’t seem to find it right now, so I might be wrong on that count. Still. Him being on stage to chomp the Crying Child at all says Fredbear isn’t the same suit in Sister Location.
@IDsFantasy
3 ай бұрын
Baby said it yeah. And yeah, Fredbear was at one time used as intended, not to mention it wasn't from Baby's Pizzeria. Even if it's a character perspective thing, that's a weird line to add if so
@christianlopezgonzalez3812
2 ай бұрын
she really made a video pretty much telling the other people "your fucking wrong noobies"
@The_Scronkle
3 ай бұрын
I would be a bit weary about small discrepancies created by fnaf 1-4 because that's when Scott didn't have a good enough understanding of the story he wanted to make.
@aniqueevans1547
3 ай бұрын
Thank you for mentioning that the golden Freddy suit doesn't have faceplates! While DPT made some really great points that was one of the biggest glaring issues that I haven’t seen many people address.
@IDsFantasy
3 ай бұрын
Yeah, that seemed pretty major to me. I was surprised they just brushed it off with the Bonnie thing
@sfglim5341
3 ай бұрын
That dual process theory has been constantly on my mind since it released
@IDsFantasy
3 ай бұрын
huh
@PandoricaLost
3 ай бұрын
I understand now why you were having such a hard time making this video, but I think you absolutely nailed it (Lol)! Great job as usual!
@IDsFantasy
3 ай бұрын
Thanks XD
@blitzes3177
3 ай бұрын
If you’ll allow me to flex my brain muscles a bit, I’d like to put forward some counter points as I really like DPT’s theory. Golden Freddy is too ethereal for us to concretely state that it was repaired from a withered state. Given that Golden Freddy can teleport, its unique death screens, Yenndo (who is very clearly an allusion to Golden Freddy people are very eager to dismiss), and that in UCN its appearance changes when you use the death coin on it, you can very easily make the argument that Golden Freddy’s appearance is fluid. It appears how it wants to, wherever it wants to. I agree that the remnant injector was something they overlooked, I don’t think Micheal possessed himself through sheer hatred. The grave order in Help Wanted 2 representing how Charlotte’s mask was the last to fall doesn’t really make sense when all the other masks fall at the same time. There would be no need to order them like this if it were representing happiest day. I also don’t see the grave order representing Charlotte’s grave being behind the others as the other graves in Pizzeria Simulator are lined up in a row, where as they aren’t in Help Wanted 2. It seems obvious to me that it represents the order they died, seeing as it starts with Suzie. Henry saying the actions were “a wound first inflicted on me” makes sense when you consider that Henry most likely views the children who visit his restaurants as a part of his family. The Candy Cadet stories can be interpreted in a way that paints Henry as viewing all of the children who go to Freddy’s as his children, so if a child dies there it would in his eyes a wound inflicted on him first. The Golden Freddy suit not having face plates is a fair point to make, but I can’t really think of any other spring lock it could be other than Golden Freddy. It being a brand new spring lock seems redundant, as the entire point of the Funtimes was to allow William to kidnap children remotely. If we go with the idea that Golden Freddy’s appearance is fluid, it could explain why it has face plates: it is mimicking the appearance of the things around it. That might seem like a stretch, but if Golden Freddy mimics the appearance of the animatronics around it, then it would explain why its appearance changes every game, and also explains the random Endo Easter eggs we also see, like the Endo 02 and Yenndo. I think William would have taken Cassidy’s body out of the Golden Freddy suit, not in order to evade the law, but to give him a burial in order to silence his family. I can’t imagine he shared what he was doing with his family, but I can imagine that they would start to suspect him if their child went missing without explanation. If he was put in the box and buried in an unmarked grave, this might explain how Micheal (who in DPT’s video is the runaway) knows where the grave is, and why he runs away to it. The Foxy Go Go Go mini game is incredibly abstract, I think that it was more so conveying to the player that the purple man responsible for the death of the Puppet was also responsible for the MCI. We wouldn’t know the same man was responsible otherwise. Micheal didn’t kill Cassidy though, Cassidy was able to survive for a while through the use of hospital equipment. Micheal may have lobotomised his brother but he didn’t kill him. Later in the video you argue the drawings of a black haired girl in a hospital bed is evidence that Cassidy is not CC, however given that this image is shown having a large slash mark through it, this suggests to me the developers were hinting that this theory was incorrect, and instead it seems like the developers were saying Cassidy is not a girl with black hair (a misconception which most likely arose from the survival logbook, where the Puppet can be seen giving cake to a girl with black hair). The big Red Cross above the girl also seems to suggest that the developers are saying to the player that the girl was not the one in the bed. There would be no reason for faded text to use a code for their own name because they have the ability to write, they could just write their own name. The thing with UCN is that whoever created it must have been exposed to every animatronic in UCN, and also phone guy. The only characters we know of who fit the bill are William and Micheal, and seeing as though we play as William, it makes sense for Micheal to have created UCN.
@blitzes3177
2 ай бұрын
I think I’ve found something pretty important that disproves the idea that Micheal is TOYSNHK. In UCN, one of Nightmares voice lines is “the shadow fears me”. This is in reference to Scott’s hint in the GT livestream “what is seen in shadows is easily misunderstood in the mind of a child”, which was Scott’s way of telling us the reason the animatronics attack Micheal is because they are mistaking him for William in the shadows. This is something he would go on to clarify in the next game, Sister Location, by showing us the Micheal and William look the same. So in UCN Micheal is referred to as “the shadow”, not “the one you should not have killed”. It’s possible he could be referred by both names I suppose, but that seems a bit confusing imo. I know that TOYSNHK technically has two names, the other being “the vengeful spirit”, but that name was only for a job listing and is never used in game.
@anhurtorrez
3 ай бұрын
I heard 1 mistake and that is Jake didn't die of a head injury, but from an illness he had since he was younger. But I believe its 2 souls possessing Golden Freddy. Theres a lot of evidence pointing to that from the books, and games. Yes Andrew and Jake both possessing the stitch wraith, but also lot of talk about multiple souls possessing an animatronic.
@artblocked4568
3 ай бұрын
i think what you said about keeping in mind that sometimes we were right the first time around is really important to keep in mind. while its good to re-analyse the franchise every once in a while, most of the time a theory is common in the fandom because its the most likely answer at the time. i liked a lot of dual process' ideas but i really do think that just because a theory sounds good narratively doesn't mean it is the intentional story being told.
@RandoSando.
3 ай бұрын
I prefer the dual process theory. It makes more sense for the vengeful spirit to be an afton instead of a random victim.
@IDsFantasy
3 ай бұрын
It is a cool idea, I just don't think it's likely given William didn't kill Mike or CC and Mike is referred to as an outside party by the Vengeful Spirit. Up to you what to believe though!
@guardianboreal1432
3 ай бұрын
@@IDsFantasy Vengeful spirit is Mike referring to Henry releasing everyone in the fire and Mike not letting that slide, kupo. Mike and Cassidy were most likely abused by William and Mike most likely suffered trauma...Cory and Connie explain it better, kupo.
@guardianboreal1432
3 ай бұрын
@@IDsFantasyAlso, William KNEW Mike would die in the bunker and Mike even says "They thought I was YOU," kupo.
@logankrause4990
3 ай бұрын
Sure but that doesn’t make it right it has a lot of evidence against it
@grandempressvicky6387
3 ай бұрын
@@guardianboreal1432 As @IDsFantasy mentioned in the video, Mike being the Vengeful Spirit doesn't track properly because the line in UCN refers to 2 people burning the animatronics. The only other fire in the series was explicitly started by Michael in an attempt to put everyone to rest
@saf_Safira
2 ай бұрын
I knew dual process theory was going to have such an influence. I saw their video day of release and knew fnaf theorizing would never be the same afterward.
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