Grados are tuned for OLD PEOPLE like me who have lost hearing in the treble region I want to hear those clear sounding sounding woodwinds and horns and strings. They’re perfect for us old folks
@metal571
5 жыл бұрын
Yeah but it's the midrange around 2k that's a lot more forward on these than the treble. You should try the DT880 or DT990. That's very forward treble that will "fill in" for any hearing loss up top.
@cnnlive10
4 жыл бұрын
@@metal571 Great review! The DT880 are about as good as anything made ( tone wise), but I do find myself pulling the Grado's out for KZitem pop / rock video's. It all about what being played at the time.
@HomeStudioBasics
5 жыл бұрын
5:07 XD That was one of the weirdest laughs ever lmao. "he hah HAH HA!!" You should start slow mo'ing some of them it would be absolute gold.
@DONNYLAI95
3 жыл бұрын
The evil laugh 😈😈😈
@geraldmolnar2991
7 жыл бұрын
???? I've had a pair of Grado SR60's for over a decade. Outside of replacing the ear pads twice, nothing has failed and they feel as solid as the day I purchased them... so I would say that build quality is top notch imho.
@nkq5568
5 жыл бұрын
I agree with Molnar. I had an SR80 for at least 15 years and recently changed the pads and they sound better than ever. Never had a problem with built quality. I enjoy the strong detailed treble that I guess Grado is know for.
@ibzmav
8 жыл бұрын
I just tried this headphone a week ago. You described it exactly how i heard it. Cheers!
@metal571
7 жыл бұрын
I still 100% stand by this review. Grados have the build quality of $20 headphones, with cheap, uncomfortable pads, totally unnecessary 5-10 dB peaks at 2k, severe bass rolloff, and high levels of harmonic distortion. You can easily do better for the exorbitant prices these go for. Edit: it's 2020 and nothing's changed. Edit 2: it's 2023 and nothing's changed, except now The Headphone Show has a review proving exactly the same thing.
@timgarcia923
7 жыл бұрын
You said at the end of this review (about 12:30) that "these are quite a good value for the money." I'm a little confused by your comment here?
@metal571
7 жыл бұрын
+Tim Garcia I did? Well I definitely didn't mean it LOL. I would say the SR60e is cheap enough that you can buy it to get pretty much identical sound quality and decide for yourself if you like the Grado sound, regardless of my review.
@ChaseFickett
7 жыл бұрын
metal571 how would you compare the koss portapro to these?
@Gorilla_Jones
7 жыл бұрын
metal571 lol All due respect, the build is rather robust and light. The SR60s I bought in 93 are still going strong after several ear pads. The sound is no where like you describe, not even close. As for looking like a dork, you do that all on your own.
@metal571
7 жыл бұрын
+Gorilla Jones I completely stand by this review 100 percent to this day. They measure exactly how I describe, all of the variants of the SR80 do. It's the same junky underengineered design from 60 years ago that people get duped into paying hundreds of dollars for. I'm actually trying to help people save money here.
@jankafka7330
9 жыл бұрын
I have owned a pair of bottom of the line Grado headphones for over twenty years with no problems. They sound great, work with a wide range of devices...And are comfortable as hell.
@claudiecotet7927
7 жыл бұрын
bcdhifi no doubt, but there has been an evolution in headphones . and customers nowadays ask more for, than just a good sound of 1950s military stuff. f.e: comfort, flexibility/nomad. music also has changed from pat boone to..... dinosaurus were maybe good animals. , but they disappeared and if grado does'nt want to learn, faster, they will go the same dusty road. what a pity
@nicolek8971
7 жыл бұрын
Thats cool Jan! Thanks for sharing
@LuisDiaz-qg3eg
6 жыл бұрын
I don't think hell would be comfortable, so being comfortable as hell is kind of a bad publicity
@metal571
6 жыл бұрын
+Luis Díaz I also don't understand how 50 cent Chinese fabric flat pads are totally acceptable on a 100 dollar headphone
@SnoopySenpai
3 жыл бұрын
I miss you metal
@DavidKowalski
6 жыл бұрын
They are admittedly a little forward-sounding with some sources at higher volumes -- especially when just out of the box. I know some people claim that a break-in period for speakers or headphones is a myth, but after two weeks these Grados were noticeably smoother even if still just a bit forward with some material. I like the low price, open back design, and 32-ohm impedance (which negates any need for a headphones amp) and yes -- very comfortable feel. I am an audiophile who is frankly pleased with the Grados though I acknowledge audio tastes are subjective (other people have reviewed these headphones quite glowingly -- there are no objective absolutes in aesthetics) and I respect others' prerogative to have a differing opinion. One's preference in music will affect their opinion of these headphones. Those who listen to Diana Krall, Norah Jones, The Eagles, or James Taylor will love these cans (just read or watch ANY other review of the Grado SR 80e's) but metalheads will understandably look elsewere.
@metal571
6 жыл бұрын
I agree that genre enormously affects whether someone will like a pair of headphones. These seem to have boxed themselves into specific genre ranges. In fact, Grado uses three specific songs to test all of their headphones, I found out later. They are: Duke Ellington and His Orchestra - Toot Suite Pt. 1 Eric Clapton - Before You Accuse Me (live) Ella Fitzgerald - A Night in Tunisia Source: www.reddit.com/r/headphones/comments/2ejd6g/the_3_tracks_that_john_grado_uses_to_benchmark/
@DavidKowalski
6 жыл бұрын
The undocumented anecdote in Wired does seem credible but even that article does not say these three songs are the only ones used in testing Grado headphones -- just that John Grado considers them his benchmark songs for testing. Could well be true.
@kiekko673
5 жыл бұрын
metal571 Exactly. You don’t like these simply because you’re into metal. I think these sound great, and you can’t find better headphones that cost under 200$. Also, they are super light and comfortable.
@metal571
5 жыл бұрын
That doesn't mean they have any bass extension to speak of or adhere to the modern Harman response however. The HD 6XX enormously destroys the Grado in detail retrieval and timbral accuracy and costs 199.
@kiekko673
5 жыл бұрын
metal571 Well, where I live, the hd 6XX cost twice as much...
@c6fifty7
7 жыл бұрын
I owned a pair of these for a while and you have described the sound perfectly as I hear them. Have now subscribed as I trust your ears.
@keyman77ca
8 жыл бұрын
I love my Grado with fast paced rock, I can't listen to it for long as it can get grating but I do like to listen to it every once in a while. It has a unique signature that some love and others hate.
@metal571
8 жыл бұрын
+keyman77ca I'm glad at least someone agrees with me lol
@judahlicharowicz5437
8 жыл бұрын
owned them for four years, they are very durable, some problems with the fact that they can swivel 360 (causes issues with wires). Not to mention, they sound amazing, and look gorgeous .
@mmjackk
2 жыл бұрын
Great review as always.
@melvinrimorin7840
5 жыл бұрын
I own the 80e and I don't disagree with you...but I still love them! The aggressiveness gives it a sense of being "live". I've been to rock concerts (you have been to a lot more as I imagine) and rock concerts are like that - distorted in every sense, aggressive, and alive! Accurate review. Keep it up!
@metal571
5 жыл бұрын
If you like the mids forward check out the 599 and the classic HD 600 as well but with better bass quality and more accurate sounding timbre overall
@ipsurvivor
6 жыл бұрын
Grado started out making cartridges and stylus’s and got into headphones in the early 90s when there was a dip in record sales. You will get the leather and all that when you buy the more expensive models. I prefer the type of padding on them... The Bass will improve if you get the conical shape pads with the open hole in the middle... The mid range is very good actually... The issue is what source material you use... Grado is shit in shit out... question: what are you listening to these through... I prefer the bump you are talking about. If the signal clips the Grado won’t lie. Remember they are designed for Opera. GET THE CONICAL HOLE SHAPED PADS AND THE SOUNDSTAGE WILL EXPAND. I’m going into my third pair... Well recorded music is the OPERATIVE WORD... To me these kick the crap out of Bose and Beats. Although they aren’t intended for mixing that midrange bump dose enhance definition and depth of field. Again, these should come with the cone shaped doughnut pads as they will double the quality of bass and soundstage imho. Also they have excellent headroom and the drivers do sweeten considerably over time... The SR60S And SR80S, etc are designed for the common man/woman to get a taste of HiFi love... Warmth over detail and for musical enjoyment.
@donunus
7 жыл бұрын
Just want to comment about what you said about their reputation for bright highs and you not hearing them that way. It really boils down to the pads being used. The L Cush pads aka bowls make these have brighter highs vs those stock pads. The L Cush comes stock with the 225 and up but many people use them for the lower models to give the sound air and soundstage width. Drawback is that the Lcush pads will make the bass thinner unless you do the tape mod. The 325 bass and up sounds okay with the L cush pads though since those have more inherent bass than the 80s making all this a mix and match game with different models with different pads. I've actually made my own modded pads that sound great with the lower models but boy were those ugly.
@Gorilla_Jones
7 жыл бұрын
Don Vittorio Sierra Ding ding ding, we have a winner. The sound of all Grado cans change depending on the cups. Some cups you shouldn't use with certain cans.
@vinci8813
7 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the honest review. That's how it should be. I appreciate it.
@loonation2185
6 жыл бұрын
this review is the most accurate review I've heard of this headphones.
@eugenioopazo4057
8 жыл бұрын
There is middle point with Grados you either hate them or love them. metal571 is right on the money.
@2airtoon21
9 жыл бұрын
Thanks man! Helped me choose my headphones :)
@metal571
9 жыл бұрын
2airtoon21 No problem
@completestranger7319
5 жыл бұрын
I love the Grado RS2E, it is warm, clear, and smooth. and as good as they sound connected to my phone, they are even better connected to my Schiit Valhalla 2. My understanding is that the headphone jedi master will be reviewing them soon
@CptMark
3 жыл бұрын
Grado SR60e was the first open headphone I heard and it was a revolution. I could not believe that a headphone could sound like that. I still remember them fondly. :)
@metal571
3 жыл бұрын
It's a good gateway headphone, and then you try the HD 600 next and realize even more that was missing
@CptMark
3 жыл бұрын
@@metal571 Cable died after few years. Went to HD599 after that. Very satisfied with the sound and comfort. HD600 was just too expensive.
@metal571
3 жыл бұрын
@@CptMark ah yes, 6xx is the next step then with the Drop pricing being lower than Senn's own
@GenWivern2
8 жыл бұрын
Another good one, thanks again. Yeah, I think you get used to Grados if you can get through the initial head clamping phase, and I've convinced myself that they do calm down quite a bit with age. Mine are something like 15 years old now with thousands of hours on the clock and we're good friends. I've had the soldering iron out a couple of times and been through a few sets of pads, which doesn't strike me as unreasonable. Every once in a while they still take me by surprise by sounding improbably good for what they are, and you're spot on about the treble being the impressive aspect - but as with any headphone they're bound to leave some people stone cold. Or pleading for mercy. If memory serves mine were £60 (from a bricks and mortar hi fi shop), so they don't owe me much. One of the better deals in audio, in my opinion.
@metal571
8 жыл бұрын
+GenWivern2 They're alright. I think the 558 whoops their butt though for about the same price.
@GenWivern2
8 жыл бұрын
+metal571 Better have a look at them then. :-) I may be way off beam about this, but I think maybe Grado is better regarded in UK hi fi circles than some other markets. The voicing does fit in with that so-called British sound associated with companies like Quad and Naim ... which is probably quite old fashioned now, but it's where my ears are at.
@MohammedAli-zv6oj
9 жыл бұрын
you make some really good reviews man. very honest and straight-forward.
@metal571
9 жыл бұрын
Mohammed Ali Thanks much appreciated, I try to explain what it's really like to own these headphones regardless of my personal opinion on whether I like them or not
@Murphmonster69
2 жыл бұрын
Quirky, but for what they are they are perfect. I love mine.
@AttackWithStyle
8 жыл бұрын
These headphones are incredible
@linkcun1658
7 жыл бұрын
I have the way better built SR325e, I lower that nasty 2K peak and boost the sub bass at 45K, and I love the big bright wide punchy sound, but it can be a bit fatiguing for metal
@amirkhalid5449
5 жыл бұрын
Grados sound pretty good, in my purely nontechnical assessment based on owning the SR60e, aside from the weedy low bass. My main beef with them is the bare foam earpads: they rot, and need to be replaced every few months. This is a recurring cost you don't face with other headphones.
@bluracer766
2 жыл бұрын
You can get some Sennheiser pads that last longer. Senn hd414 pads will fit Grado SR60 cans. If the SR60e is the same size then you've got it.
@georget10i
6 жыл бұрын
I have Grado 225 that I compared to Beyerdynamic DT770 Pro 80 Ohm. I was surprised how much better DT770's mids were. A lot more forward (225 mids sound distant). It's very true about the bass on Grado, a lot of punch but no thump. Treble is needle sharp but somehow I could hear more treble (I was made more aware of it) with DT770.
@bluex217
2 жыл бұрын
Sounds to me like the Grados r superior
@savagej4y241
Жыл бұрын
@@bluex217 No kidding. That description made it sound like the Grado 225's had more accurate imaging for the mids, hard-hitting and not muddy bass, and precise treble that was not overwhelming. The DT770's are closed back, so getting in-your-face sound with more reflection and emphasis on high & low ends at the cost of precision makes sense.
@riseuplight
6 жыл бұрын
Thank you for giving your honest opinion!
@metal571
6 жыл бұрын
Always happy to help - Grados are, and have been for some time, a poor headphone in the technical department.
@scottlowell493
5 жыл бұрын
The same driver as 325's. Just get the $19 325 replacement pads and the 80e will sound identical. Great upgrado.
@larkenfield179
7 жыл бұрын
What do you have driving them? An iPhone or something like that? On a computer or used with a good headphone amp, they can sound incredible. That counts for something too... I've had the Grado SR80s for at least 10 years and I like them because the sound is straightforward and alive, not veiled or closed in... There IS a leather covering over the metal band, and the headphones are too tight it's easy to adjust them for comfort... The foam covering over the ear pieces are comfortable and easily replaceable. The ear pieces rotate so they can be a laid flat on a table or for travel purposes. But what you don't want to do is let the ear pieces rotate and knot up the cords on both sides, and some owners are careless about that and they complain that it's Grado's fault. I've had the need for repairs because one of the channels went out. Nevertheless, Grado has a good repair department and they want owners to be happy. I'm also have the GS1000 and it's also lightweight with an incredible detail and resolved sound. The SR80s are an amazing value and they have a highly satisfying midrange, and you can feel the music as well as hear it.
@metal571
7 жыл бұрын
+Larkenfield no amp is going to fix such a low quality, very high harmonic distortion driver with an 8 dB peak at 2k, as seen in just about every measurement that exists of these headphones on the web.
@NotOrdinaryInGames
8 жыл бұрын
A year of owning a pair, I now I finally noticed the harsh spike. Cannot unhear it now. Should have bought Sennheiser 558 instead.
@metal571
8 жыл бұрын
+NotOrdinaryInGames the 558 still has some somewhat emphatic upper mids like the 600 but nowhere near as searing hot with very long ringing like the Grados do
@deathgrind_faze1480
8 жыл бұрын
Yeah these were my first Grado headphones and I never liked them(Treble was way too bright) and they were pretty uncomfortable too. I returned these and got the Sennheiser PX-100 II's and I must say they are a miles ahead of these Grados. The PX 100 II's are definitely a metalhead headphone(Thrash, Death, Black, Grindcore) all of the extreme genre's of metal will do well. I definitely recommend.
@keithscull8288
8 жыл бұрын
I disagree, I love the sound. Some people say the treble is way too bright but I find the clarity beautiful
@sheanreal
Жыл бұрын
@metal571 do you recommend shp9500 over this one?
@BwanaTube
8 жыл бұрын
Love my old SR80s, but I'm sure they would be fatiguing with modern metal. Nice balanced review.
@amirkhalid5449
5 жыл бұрын
Maybe it's because I live in tropical Malaysia, maybe it's my body chemistry, but my main beef with Grados is that the foam earpads start to perish after a while and need regular replacement. And only specialty hi-fi shops carry the headphones themselves, so they are expensive over here. Also, the feeble low bass.
@michabarlev4449
8 жыл бұрын
Like your reviews, As for the rs80e, I own a pair so: For build quality: it is a disgrace. For the sound - the bass and the treble are on the spot for me, but the " known Grado midrange" is the problem, so if you already have those I recommend do buy the inexpensive Ebay G cups for Grado (the originals are too way more expensive) and so with the G cups you keep the beautiful treble, the midrange takes a step back and become more natural, the bass still good but I EQ it slightly up for more fun. The soundstage become much bigger, the separation and details are better. The headphones are lightweight but the cable is heavy, annoying and not detachable. So do I recommend them? For the sound, plus G cap and Bass EQ up - yes For horrible built quality and horrible cable - No
@metal571
8 жыл бұрын
+Micha Bar-Lev I have heard of the "taped bowl" pad mod as well to eliminate the midrange spike. I think Tyll talked about this as well, but since I'm not much of a modder, I reviewed the headphone as-is
@yttean98
4 жыл бұрын
I own an old SR125i after equalizing it sounded much better than the out of box version. I think to save money buy a middle of range headphone, eg HD58X or even HD6XX, etc spend time equalizing it to please yourself there you have it a VERY good sounding headphone. NO NEED to buy an EXPENSIVE headphone. buying really expensive headphones >$1000 is really a waste of money, others may disagree. Most headphones even expensive ones require equalization anyway out of the box in order to suit one's taste.
@PopCulture-kg9rw
5 жыл бұрын
The RS2E is a fantastic headphone. An end game open back for me. So clear and vibrant with no grating! Unfortunately, the “step up” RS1E is too warm and veiled for my tastes
@josepedro6451
6 жыл бұрын
Thanks for your good videos. I knew about you thanks to Alex Rowe in Medium webpage and I’m enjoying your videos since then. However, I’m sorry that I did not agree with your review this time. I may agree that it is not the most comfortable of headphones, but this issue is easily solved. I bought a leather headbands similar to the one I have for the beyer DT 770 and G bowl Earpad which turned into overear phones without a dramatic change in the sound. As regards the sound, these have a really amazing sound to my taste: the bass is punchy enough without being too present, the guitars are fantastic and the level of detail is great. I cannot compare with other open back headphones as this is the first pair that I have listened to, but the soundstage OK for me. Overall I think that they are a great product for the price you pay. I also own Sony MDR-100X, an old pair of Denon (AD-750 I think) and the Audio Technica MSR7 and to me the Grado are the best sounding headphones. Tomorrow I will receive the Beyer DT-770 pro 32 ohm, and really hope I can agree with you this time!. Kind regards
@myessyallyahamericus8405
3 жыл бұрын
Cross banks which one?
@wagstaff6135
5 жыл бұрын
It hurt my heart.... maybe my ears a little, but mostly heart... when you flowed so seamleslessly from "if you listen to soft rock, or jazz...." I agree with you that for well recorded music, and in their price range, Grados are very good indeed. In fairness, I haven't the SR-80e specifically, to comment there. But were I to give headphones as gift, so someome who didn't listen to metal primarily (let's say)... in their pricerange I would gamble on these!
@Chaziradncjfdn
8 жыл бұрын
Must be a Sennheiser man. :)
@gideonsantoso1597
8 жыл бұрын
SAM... i thought you leaving castle black to learn to be a maester and here you are now reviewing cans
@iain777uk
3 жыл бұрын
Very Interesting review. Personally I really rate the sr60e & 80’s. I do listen to a lot of Jazz & maybe that’s why I like them so much. They can seem a little too bright at times,if that’s the correct word to describe them.
@metal571
3 жыл бұрын
Harsh around 2k. With something like this that's as colored as it is, it's going to work for a much narrower range of types of music, hence the review. I can only predict based on average consumer preference - never stop enjoying what you enjoy
@RojasTKD7
7 жыл бұрын
Picked up one of these to see for my self. I agree they feel like a bit like a toy. I actually didn't expect to like them but I actually don't hate them as much as I though I would, but i also don't like them. Not as harsh as I was expecting but I did hear the harshness at time (though I did listen for a long time). I was expecting less bass, so that was a nice surprise, but my expectation weren't very high. Not something I'd want to wear for more then 30 to 45 minutes, if that. The sound is definitely not for me. These are at the bottom of all the headphones I've ever owned. Not something i would recommend to anyone. But it has it's fans, Though I can't say I understand. To each their own.
@metal571
7 жыл бұрын
It just doesn't make sense for this to cost 100 bucks. A big part of what I have to consider whether to recommend something is value per dollar. This doesn't have it.
@2airtoon21
9 жыл бұрын
Also, can you make an equalizer vidio where you run down everything from software to how to equalize it? Thanks!
@metal571
9 жыл бұрын
2airtoon21 I don't actually use EQ at all, if the headphones don't sound the way I want or I can't find a use for their sound signature I get something different. EQ is kind of too much of a band-aid IMO
@2airtoon21
9 жыл бұрын
metal571 oh lol k
@kmah324
7 жыл бұрын
metal571 So, your opinion changed overtime I see.
@metal571
7 жыл бұрын
It's still limited in power but I'm no longer against it. Not all problems can be solved with it. Once I heard enough headphones to realize there's no such thing as a headphone that's perfect I got back into it
@kmah324
7 жыл бұрын
Do you know a way to implement eq across all devices(console, pc, bluray player, etc with the exact same eq setting)?
@afborro
8 жыл бұрын
I am into the hobby myself a bit, and only came across your channel recently. I agree everything you said about this phone, interesting review and channel, yes those ear pads make my ears itch after about half hour too. :) Now I did have them for a short while before returning them. I am sceptical of burn in theories making enough of a difference, but a year later I heard the 325e and 80e again today that were burned in, and they didn't seem quite as harsh as I recall. Now, that was through the headphone out on another amp compared to my setup at home, though I did test that same amp through my sennheisers I know well, and the possibility of that making enough of a difference didn't quite convince. Unfortunately I did have not my own test music with me, so it is all a bit speculative feeling right now, that wasn't helping, so I'll be trying again out of curiosity soon with recordings I know well. Grado are tempting me again, certainly not as a do it all-rounder phone for sure, but I like classical Jazz too, and some tracks I recall sounded really good through grados, just as something different to listen to every once in a while. It certainly wouldn't be my main can of choice. I now have the conundrum, to decide, is the much more expensive 325e worth it, yes they are better for sure than the 80e , I haven't convinced myself is it worth that extra for me, I mean, it still sounds like typical grado, you know what I mean and wouldn't use them that much. btw on the athm50 review I felt you overlooked the detail of the sound IIRC, they are good at that in that price range for that IMHO, even if not flat. Flatness is not always everything IMHO for a pleasing sound, it may take a little getting used to. Not ideal for accurate referencing though. Would like you to do a review on the Fidelio X2. I have pretty good indication of what it may sound like from data sheets what it will bring to some degree, tempted to give them a go, yes, that will be very different to grado for sure but ultimately hearing them is what counts. All the best.
@metal571
8 жыл бұрын
+Alexander Borro honestly I don't think the 325 would be worth it at all, most of those Prestige Series cans sound very similar. I bashed the M50x because their own A900X whoops its ass for the same price, provided you don't need portability, along with other cans in that price range like the HM5 and Takstar Pro 80. If I get an X2 review unit in sure I'll review it. Got lots of other things in the queue coming up already for reviews first though. Last time I heard the X2 I wasn't impressed though. Awkward treble but the bass is satisfying
@afborro
8 жыл бұрын
+metal571 somthing I didn't mention they are often more now here these days. I just checked. I Ilve in the UK and got the athm50x much cheaper new, for about 2/3 rd the current price it seems, I forgot to mention that, it may vary I guess in some countries too I guess. OTOH grado the higher end models a proportionally expensive here for what they are, again IMHO, a second hand snap up at some point may be an idea for me. :)
@metal571
8 жыл бұрын
Blah. I heard the expensive GS1000 and almost laughed in the face of a salesman at an audio store where I demoed them. Terrible for the price they're going for. If for some reason you're dead set on Grados I'd just make sure you can return them if you don't like em
@afborro
8 жыл бұрын
+metal571 oh yes, you can be sure of that it must have a return policy. You see, there is indeed a good chance after a more extended listen I'll end up returning them for the exact same reasons I returned my sr80e after week or so in the first place., and yes, agreed the price of these top end grados seem nuts at time to me.
@sigismund7126
6 жыл бұрын
For many years i have been using sr60 but would like to make some upgrade and buy new headphones. Do you think k550 mkii has better soundstage and detail than sr60/80? How would you compare these two? I like neutral sound with great mids and soundstage and less bass.
@metal571
6 жыл бұрын
+Aikman77 it's almost like the sr60 is a joke next to the K550. Buy it
@N7Normandy1
8 жыл бұрын
I am debating whether I should get these or the devine PRO 5000 Studio Headphones. They explain some of the things that Devine headphones have but I am not a super big tech guy does what they say in the description sound good to you?"The Devine PRO 5000 also has quite a respectable frequency range from 8 Hz to 30 kHz. These headphones have a maximum power capacity of 1500 mW. They also come with two audio cables-a straight 3m cable, and a coiled 1.5m cable."
@metal571
8 жыл бұрын
+N7Normandy117: SSV NORMANDY don't get either one
@N7Normandy1
8 жыл бұрын
metal571 Thank you but which ones would you suggest under 120?
@ivantjahjakamel647
6 жыл бұрын
I am looking for a usd 150 subs open back headphone... Would you recommend SHP 9500, audio technica AD series, or grados? Im looking for wide soundstage since it will be my first open back headphone.. thank you very much!
@metal571
6 жыл бұрын
+Ivan Tjahja Kamel HD 598
@eiffelyuenweilong6036
6 жыл бұрын
Totally agree with you on soundstage. I was so disappointed in its soundstage because it was an open headphone but NOPE
@DubiousMixer
7 жыл бұрын
Dubious shaped? Are u talkin' to me?
@abel5925
6 жыл бұрын
Dubious hah
@stuka78
3 жыл бұрын
Less than 30 mins and the Koss KPH30i are uncomfortable for me... how would be these Grado ones?
@metal571
3 жыл бұрын
Lol terrible
@stuka78
3 жыл бұрын
metal571 ordered G-pads for the KPH30i... let’s see if it gets better
@smartwarden
9 жыл бұрын
How do these compare to Sony MDR 1R ? Also what would you recommend as best headphones around 100$ ? Thank you !
@metal571
9 жыл бұрын
Haven't heard them. And there is no best, just depends on taste.
@ricardomonteiro2523
4 жыл бұрын
Grado SR80e vs HD599?
@saganaWidow
7 жыл бұрын
And for old school metal and hard rock how do they sound? Stuff like black sabbath, malevolent creation, Satirycon, Kreator?
@metal571
7 жыл бұрын
Way too much 2k. Turning them up will hurt.
@TonyFernandezjkdjedi
8 жыл бұрын
Well, I honestly was wowed by your forwardness in this video, I had ordered these so was kind of skeptic of your review, so after some tracks caught me off guard where you mentioned here, I'm sending them back. Look into getting better lighting so your skin doesn't look so yellow. They're fairly cheap at Home Depot, look for the white colored ones.
@metal571
8 жыл бұрын
+Tony Fernandez yeah I have a long way to go in terms of production value. I've received so much criticism for this video but I am not paid by any company to do these reviews so I can only be honest.
@metal571
7 жыл бұрын
+Tl Tl that's pretty weird as the stories I've heard are that they are usually happy to repair stuff or sell spare parts
@josephd.davison6766
9 жыл бұрын
hello metal571, do you recommend these headphones to listen to rock and metal? Do they have a good sound ?.
@metal571
9 жыл бұрын
+richard reyes I would recommend the DT770 80 ohm instead, being a metalhead myself
@starvingrtist8714
8 жыл бұрын
+metal571 The DT770 80ohm is more than twice the price of SR80e. Is there any headphone in the same price range you can recommend over SR80e?
@metal571
8 жыл бұрын
Starving Rtist Brainwavz HM5, Takstar Pro 80 (I have a review on my channel of these)
@fuq0ff
8 жыл бұрын
+metal571 Can you recommend me some Headphones that sound great with metal that have a removable cable?
@metal571
8 жыл бұрын
I haven't heard them myself, but possibly the Custom One Pro
@WhattheVloggity
9 жыл бұрын
Hmm. Very interesting opinion. Your review disagrees with 90 percent of other reviewers. Guess im going to have to test these myself.
@metal571
9 жыл бұрын
Maybe people pair them with tubes or something. I can't speak for how they pair with other higher output impedance and THD amps. I tried to warm up to these, but they are supposedly designed for rock yet greatly boost an already prominent part of the final mix... the upper mids.
@NotOrdinaryInGames
8 жыл бұрын
They are quite durable actually. Not tough, but simple construction does not break by itself, pretty much ever.
@metal571
8 жыл бұрын
Naturally. But I felt that I would have to be more gentle than usual with these.
@NotOrdinaryInGames
8 жыл бұрын
+metal571 Perhaps. Also, I would rather disagree about this model having weak bass. Based on how my music collection sounds through them, I say the bass is very neutral pretty much all the way down.
@metal571
8 жыл бұрын
NotOrdinaryInGames Almost the same headphone: www.innerfidelity.com/images/GradoSR60i.pdf Neutral bass: www.innerfidelity.com/images/AudezeLCDXSN7454971.pdf I rest my case. Yes I have heard both. The Grados have severe issues with sub-bass frequencies, with not just heavy roll-off but also very high THD (~10%). You may not notice this however with rock, metal, and acoustic music, and I can see how this would not be so obvious. But when you have many other headphones to compare with side-by-side like I have at my disposal, the bass on these simply falls short in a technical sense.
@NotOrdinaryInGames
8 жыл бұрын
+metal571 Hmmm... I wasn't talking about the lowest bass. I don't think I have any music that uses those extra low frequencies, even the few electronic records I own. Their "e" line has less roll-off than the "i" line, which is no longer in production. The few tracks with lower bass that I have, sound perfectly fine (lowest bass notes sound equally loud to the highest). Perhaps Grados cannot reproduce the lowest bass possible, but for me it's not a problem since I don't listen to house (or however that genre is called). Sorry for writing so much. You did a decent review.
@metal571
8 жыл бұрын
NotOrdinaryInGames Yeah that's exactly what I meant. For those who don't listen to EDM it wouldn't bother them. Honestly I had more of an issue with the mids than anything else. And it's fine, I like these discussions. Thanks again
@albertweedsteinthethuggeni7797
3 жыл бұрын
Do grado headphones sound good with soul, jazz grooves and 70s pop?
@metal571
3 жыл бұрын
I don't like them with anything
@mowtoll
4 жыл бұрын
Some Grado is very aggressive in treble, ex RS325 PS500 all Grados what have metal house, but whis and RS125, RS225 SR1 is not, Have myself RS225e and love whem for metal music, but also jazz etz, Grado have a fun sound
@Bula
7 жыл бұрын
What can i say... I have tons of headphones but there is something about the grados that i really enjoy. Metal sounds fantastic on the grados to my ears. Maybe its the distorsion or outdated design but i much prefer these to the HD650 when it comes to metal...And that's something that would upset a lot of people :P
@metal571
7 жыл бұрын
+Bula nah I hear that all the time. I don't think they're a good headphone from a technical standpoint but it doesn't stop them from selling.
@Bula
7 жыл бұрын
They need to turn up their game, absolutely. But i still love the low end grados..I would not say that its the one and only headphone to own but i would absolutely recommend people to have a pair in their rotation. Speaking of the high dollar 325s and upwards im surprised how they still charge an arm and a leg for what basically is the same headphone ( and build quality ). If people still buys em i guess they wont change. And its a shame since i would love a totally brand new design from them.
@maler771
6 жыл бұрын
The way I hear his voice, I think he likes bass.
@metal571
6 жыл бұрын
+Nojus Armonas would be nice if the bass was actually there instead of rolling off far earlier than it should.
@1antonio516
8 жыл бұрын
You stated in your reply, "...burn in doesn't exist. Read about it. When it does...". This is contradicting. Regardless of how minimal. "Sounded better" is very subjective. Measurements of sound don't tell us which sound is best, most pleasing, most soothing because no two set of listening "ears" are exactly the same. What You hear as superb, and some others may agree, there are many others who do not agree with your assessment. So to give a critic on a set of reputable cans, with a large fan base, does not give insight to the value of the product, in a Pure sense, but rather gives input/feedback regarding Your set of "ears". And not meant to be offending, but it is ironic that the Quality of a product is being critic by someone giving a poor video presentation.
@metal571
8 жыл бұрын
+Anthony Carswell I don't have a big shot channel full of a team of production professionals, sorry. I also want to be clear that burn in changes are so small that they are essentially nonexistent to the ear over the long run. It's more of your brain getting used to the sound than anything else. Further, I'm not saying that everyone should hate a headphone just because I didn't like it. I just personally think there are better options out there for people to drop their money on for a better overall experience. This is a niche headphone and a niche headphone brand. Such is the way of things. Measurements I find correlate quite well to what I hear, if you know how to read them properly. It's not just frequency response graphs I'm talking about here. CSD plots have just as much of an effect, especially with the poorly engineered Grado drivers. This is why there is a huge modding scene for Grados out there. But I digress.
@myessyallyahamericus8405
3 жыл бұрын
Thanks noone
@jellyg.8961
8 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the video man, very informative. I've been wondering if the sr80e are worth the extra price over the sr60e, everywhere I read some say the sound difference between them is minimal, others claim the bass is better in the 80e and the discussions keep on. Since I'm not focused on massive bass and I want an open-back design headphone to try out (plus I've been curious about the Grados for a while), do you think the sr60 will be enough or the sr80 added price is really worth to get them? Thanks again for all your videos, I have learned a lot.
@metal571
8 жыл бұрын
I wouldn't even touch Grado. Try the HD558 for your first experience with an open back headphone.That's my recommendation at the same price point
@jellyg.8961
8 жыл бұрын
I have some sennheiser momentums and those sound really nice so the 558 will be a safe bet. Thanks for the advice!
@metal571
8 жыл бұрын
Yeah love me some Sennheiser stuff. Enjoy
@Tiger24kicks
8 жыл бұрын
go with the Sr 80 they sound about 35% better
@metal571
8 жыл бұрын
Tiger25NYC From what I've read there have been no significant changes from the original to the i version to the e version except trying to speed up the driver
@funnytortoise
8 жыл бұрын
How would you recommend EQing the Grado SR-80 to sound better?
@metal571
8 жыл бұрын
+funnytortoise you can't really because the mids have such a long decay time which cannot be fixed with EQ. Modding them physically would probably be better. The bass still fails to extend properly either
@funnytortoise
8 жыл бұрын
Thanks a lot for the quick answer, man! Really appreciate what you do.
@haniffjamil
8 жыл бұрын
in your opinion, if to be compared with audio-techica ath-m40x, which one do you think is better in terms of the sound quality?
@metal571
8 жыл бұрын
+Haniff Jamil Eh. M40x is a very even sounding headphone unlike this one but is still uncomfortable and has no soundstage at all
@haniffjamil
8 жыл бұрын
+metal571 so you are saying the sr80e is better than the m40x?
@metal571
8 жыл бұрын
+Haniff Jamil the SR80e has much more aggressive and fatiguing mids, the comfort is even worse, and the build quality is garbage. You're picking between crap and crap is what I'm saying. There's better stuff out there for cheaper
@metal571
8 жыл бұрын
Takstar Pro 80, HM5, HD 558, A500X, HD 380
@metal571
8 жыл бұрын
***** pricey hence why I didn't include it
@Chaziradncjfdn
8 жыл бұрын
You really really hate high treble! :) Must be a Sennheiser man. :)
@metal571
8 жыл бұрын
+Hasib Reza I actually boost the top octave above 10k on the HD 600, so not really.
@xianning
8 жыл бұрын
II started laughing when you said the headband absolutely has no padding LOL that was what I thought when I first saw the dt880 lol (is the headband comfortable? or do those have no padding either?)
@metal571
8 жыл бұрын
+Xianning They're padded, both the Premium and Pro, though the Pro is padded more.
@metal571
8 жыл бұрын
2010cyberguy sharp upper mids make these difficult to listen to for long periods. Definitely not a warm headphone.
@metal571
8 жыл бұрын
+2010cyberguy Neither, HD650 will do the trick. For something cheaper, HM5
@metal571
8 жыл бұрын
+2010cyberguy Nah the Tesla drivers are terrible. They match poorly, have QC issues, and have hugely varying transient response. The old Beyers are better but still too bright for me. I actually reviewed the T1 which is supposed to be the flagship with the best Tesla driver, and the treble ripped my ears apart as well as sounding grainy.
@metal571
8 жыл бұрын
2010cyberguy alright sounds good, enjoy. I heard Zeos' pair and it was excellent. Slightly dark leaning but mostly right down the middle in terms of neutrality.
@StornowayCG
7 жыл бұрын
man im gonna crank some dio with this
@UberChuckBAss
8 жыл бұрын
u have to hear sr325is to see whats the aggressive treble talk is all about. The treble detail is amazing though but really over the top and sometimes borderline annoying.
@metal571
8 жыл бұрын
+Dron_Plugedi the 2k peak is pretty much the same on the 60 through 325, though I do hear the 325 is even brighter.
@UberChuckBAss
8 жыл бұрын
+metal571 right. the sr325i's are considered to have the most treble response out of SR series. I had 60 and 325i's. the sound signature is pretty much the same just that 325is have much more treble and clarity, instrumental separation. but still no soundstage and very 2d sounding. overall, grado really are genre specific headphones that's just how they are tuned to sound. Only for jazz, classical rock, well recorded instrumental. I actually liked how metal sounded on these :) they have that bite in guitars. electronic music sounds really bad though. Oh, and 325i's where heavy as fuck too, and adding the famous grado "comfort" with no padding on the headband and on ear design... ex-grado fan here:) I'm loving my hd 600's - a true reference headphone! Gotta love that german stuff, always so precise at everything
@metal571
8 жыл бұрын
Dron_Plugedi my thoughts exactly. Still using my 600, although now I also got it EQ'd to perfection as well
@UberChuckBAss
8 жыл бұрын
+metal571 can you share your preset? I only EQ the bass so far
@metal571
8 жыл бұрын
Dron_Plugedi +10 dB, Q 0.8, 30 Hz. -4 dB, Q 1.41, 3500 Hz. I also adjusted the air frequencies above 10k cause my hearing sucks way up top but it isn't really necessary. This takes care of the missing sub bass and the upper mid peak.
@eddiebaby22
6 жыл бұрын
the 125s are the sweat spot in the range and way better than these, I even prefer them over some of their expensive models
@SuperTrooperC
8 жыл бұрын
So you would not recomend them for EDM type of music?
@metal571
8 жыл бұрын
+Kotnascher Oh definitely not. These are not capable of reproducing sub bass frequencies without very high harmonic distortion. You'll want something else, these are more of a one-flavor headphone and work best for a narrow genre selection, in which EDM is not included at all.
@SuperTrooperC
8 жыл бұрын
+metal571 already thought so. Even though I like to listen to very different genres, I wpuld consider EDM my favourite one. Really sad, because these headphones really appeal to me. Anyways, great review and thank you for your reply.
@metal571
8 жыл бұрын
Kotnascher no problem. Take a look at my DT770 80 ohm review. Now that is a satisfying EDM headphone, that specific 80 ohm version of it
@metal571
7 жыл бұрын
+bcdhifi I guess they just don't make them like that anymore? Lol
@metal571
7 жыл бұрын
+bcdhifi I highly disagree with that kind of design, but then again I do own an HD 600 lol. I just cannot stand the Grado drivers. They also measure terribly. But I can't tell people what they should hate. All I can do is state an opinion
@joaonuno6936
7 жыл бұрын
Which ones leak more sound, these or the porta pros?
@metal571
7 жыл бұрын
Both are wide open but the PortaPro drivers are smaller if I remember right so they'll be slightly less annoying. Neither can really be used in public though.
@joaonuno6936
7 жыл бұрын
metal571 That bad?! I love how tiny the porta pros are, but thats a huge turn off for me. Do you know any similar (small/portable) headphones who deliver the same quality but have better sound isolation?
@metal571
7 жыл бұрын
Not that I've tried
@joaonuno6936
7 жыл бұрын
Ok. Thanks
@myessyallyahamericus8405
3 жыл бұрын
The williams
@ScottOstr
7 жыл бұрын
That's the BlueTooth closed back version of the Grados?
@metal571
7 жыл бұрын
These are wired and open
@ScottOstr
7 жыл бұрын
metal571 I understand. It's a near impossible question to answer. The vendor would have to use some crazy software magic. Just thought someone might know. I'm really looking for KSC75 with the Grado build that's BlueTooth. I thought maybe the Audio Technica ATH-MSR7.
@metal571
7 жыл бұрын
You want to make a Bluetooth headphone out of an existing one or you want to buy one already made? The MSR7 is also wired
@ScottOstr
7 жыл бұрын
BlueTooth MSR7 must have been wishful thinking on my part. A existing Bluetooth headset. I think what I want just doesn't exist yet.
@metal571
7 жыл бұрын
JBL Everest 700 is very well regarded by Tyll from InnerFidelity. Could try that one. I haven't heard it yet but it's on my list of stuff to check out
@myessyallyahamericus8405
3 жыл бұрын
I'm not able to be happy. I dont have anything that I care about in this country
@claudiecotet7927
7 жыл бұрын
thanks for your honest video, there are so many pseudo-testers, who seem to be paid by companies. f.e. fostex trp 's mk3. such a hype for a mediocre things. the longer you listen , the worse it gets. glad I Do not want to buy these grados anymore
@metal571
7 жыл бұрын
This channel would be useless and so would my reviews if I didn't give an honest opinion. This was not a review unit supplied by the company. Even though I am now receiving review units from some companies it will never stop me from saying what I feel. Meanwhile, big channels will still keep on going saying the sound quality is "good" on everything lol
@claudiecotet7927
7 жыл бұрын
Derek Land in case you know innerfidelity, read tills 3pages article about headphones, He explains better than me, mediocre Planer, I bought the mk 3, 40s, drive em with fiio x3 II and ifi I can head amp. the longer I listen to them, the less I like em, no offense , just MY opinion. and if you listen to discrete hint in zeos vids, lately he admmitted he wants to get them upgraded by mayflower. no more "my new babies", there was to much of a hype, produced to sell them fast. I also fell for it. we are learning by paying
@claudiecotet7927
7 жыл бұрын
metal571 thanks, you made me save money not buying THIS grado. when will they bring out a model with detachable cable?
@claudiecotet7927
7 жыл бұрын
Derek Land I repect your opinion. glad for your satisfied listening-experience. I ' m still searching. Z is more an entertainer, and a technician . but I think he as a little nouveau-rich touch . not good for objectivity /off topic.
@claudiecotet7927
7 жыл бұрын
Derek Land ps : MY problem: the 40s are to dark, I was hoping to find clarity and space. f,e: chet baker, stars of the lids. or grateful deaddarkstar, eno.....but aggressiv and uncomfy grados are not my trip
@Nicktombing
9 жыл бұрын
Hey man so did you get yourself a band?? :)
@metal571
9 жыл бұрын
Haha nope still just a hobby guitarist. Haven't posted a cover in a while but I do still play, and I even have an audio interface that makes it easier than ever before.
@Nicktombing
9 жыл бұрын
Awesome man!! haha i asked this cause of your killer covers!! But you could've double tracked it though but hey that's just my opinion!
@metal571
9 жыл бұрын
Nick Tombing for stereo? I may consider that for a future video. Still got a couple more headphones to review and then after that probably will return to doing some more guitar stuff
@Nicktombing
9 жыл бұрын
metal571 yeah for stereo sounding, keep 'em coming!! and you gained serious amount of weight haha
@metal571
9 жыл бұрын
Nick Tombing My channel spans many many years. It's quite hilarious looking at the old vids. That's what college engineering does to you brah lmfao
@sksk6265
8 жыл бұрын
I'm confused as Hell, haha we'll crap what do you recommend for $100 dollar'
@metal571
8 жыл бұрын
+sk sk Takstar Pro 80
@markanthonyvista9440
8 жыл бұрын
hi, i'm confused, i'd like the this headphone but i also like shure se315, which is doubled in price in my country.. is this phone really worth the money or should i go with $200 IEM?>
@metal571
8 жыл бұрын
+Mark Anthony Vista never heard that Shure and I don't recommend Grados
@yarbgreat1
9 жыл бұрын
Grado SR80e vs Sennheiser 558 ??
@metal571
9 жыл бұрын
Definitely 558
@yarbgreat1
9 жыл бұрын
yeah? I was sampling the 558's at Best Buy yesterday. I liked them, but I felt they lacked a bit in the bass department, but I loved how spacious they sounded. I've tried the Grado SR60's and thought they sounded pretty good. I wish I could test both of them for a good period of time before making my decision. It's hard to come by Grados.
@metal571
9 жыл бұрын
It is hard. But their midrange, without modification, is pretty forward and I sold my SR80e soon after this video because I didn't want to mess with it.
@ibzmav
8 жыл бұрын
+metal571 how about HD598? Do you prefer the 558 more?
@metal571
8 жыл бұрын
+ibzmav they sound almost identical, I've heard both.
@danielnicholson6174
8 жыл бұрын
The grados build quality is crap, both earcups fell off mine we have the 558,s as well. From my experience the grados bass is much better than the sennheisers it goes much lower listening to the terraria soundtrack there is a section where there is a plunging bass line almost like you are falling, the grados made this feel real like I could feel the bass in the pit of my stomach I didn't get that sensation with the sennheisers , the grados sound much more dynamic and exciting, the senns more neutral, flatter but much more spacious both are great headphones, the grados also get louder on most devices very easy to drive, I just wish the grado was made better
@metal571
8 жыл бұрын
I wish the comfort was way better. When you pay even 100 for a headphone, having this terrible of comfort should be a crime.
@danielnicholson6174
8 жыл бұрын
I guess I just got used to the fit but my son couldn't stand the grado on his head, he has the 558,s now and wears them for hours. I like your descriptions what's your favourite headphone if you could only have one
@metal571
8 жыл бұрын
Daniel Nicholson HD 800 with EQ to tame the highs
@sukohassan
6 жыл бұрын
so many salty grados fans..god damn
@HomeStudioBasics
5 жыл бұрын
That's always the case and it never ends.
@TheMrFishnDucks
8 жыл бұрын
these good for rap and edm?
@metal571
8 жыл бұрын
+TheMrFishnDucks I would avoid them for those genres as they lack deep enough bass for that
@TheMrFishnDucks
8 жыл бұрын
metal571 thanks for the info. you've saved me quiet a few dollarydoos. what do you recommend for those genres? I'm currently using ATH-50 but the headband is flaky and peeling?
@metal571
8 жыл бұрын
TheMrFishnDucks definitely the dt770 80 ohm, see my review on those
@TheMrFishnDucks
8 жыл бұрын
metal571 will definitely check out that video. however anything with closed back? I use a loud mechanical keyboard and noise outside and in the house, will that affect my listening experience with the headphone isolation?
@metal571
8 жыл бұрын
TheMrFishnDucks the dt770 is indeed a closed back headphone.
@21kpatriot
9 жыл бұрын
Grados aren't known, or I mean their known, but only in audiophile circles and for good reason. You took the next to the cheapest headphones they make and expected what exactly? Only in audiophile circles, I'll tell you what, when you are comparing two 1 meter pairs of silver interconnects in the $3000.00 range let's say, and you run them between a Walker Audio Proscenium Black Diamond III turntable and say a Vendetta Research SCP-2 phono preamplifier and can describe the harmonic subtleties between the two as well as sound stage differences and why people may or may not prefer one over the other, if either AND there were around another dozen or so people in the country with ears as good as you, which described each cable fairly close to they way you did and compared them to each other EXACTLY the way you did, then YOU TOO would be an audiophile AND you would know those headphones are aimed at the poor kid who has a Walmart budget but prefers his music to NOT sound like total crap! Year after DECADE Grado headphones have gone toe to toe with THE finest headphones on the planet. We're talking RS1's not Sr80's here going against the likes of Sennhieser 650's AKG's you name it. If you listen to music you can't get info on music playback from a better source than musician's and audiophiles! Farmers have a saying, "don't talk about farmers with your mouth full!" So don't listen to music and talk about audiophiles as though they are somehow separate from music. You will find audiophiles at all concerts or any live music event, because THAT is the ultimate goal of an audiophile to achieve LIVE sound from a recording! Also, most high end audio companies were started buy audiophiles, so when your listening to what ever it is you like equipment wise remember that.
@metal571
9 жыл бұрын
Well, when some "audiophiles" describe even the RS1 as sounding like glass shattering, then there's a big difference between those who like a fun and colored signature to the extreme and those who like some coloration but not so much as to be downright distracting. Since I fall into the latter category, I simply meant to say that I don't prefer these headphones by any means. And also, you should know that price means absolutely nothing in terms of sound quality for many companies. My intention wasn't to bash the SR80e or compare it to the HD 800's technical prowess and to immediately deny it a good review, but rather to describe both its strengths for the intended audience of the headphone and its weaknesses that are clearly audible versus other reference headphones. When a headphone is as offensive in its decay at 2k as this one is, it's going to make it a very polarizing piece, so that's what I said.
@21kpatriot
9 жыл бұрын
metal571 Glass shattering? Without a doubt can be attributed to associated equipment and cables, for instance you take your absolute, hands down, no question whatsoever headphones and hook them up to SEVERAL high end systems that everyone refers to the musicality of ALL of those systems as "angels singing" , "as close to a live performance as I've been" and similar accolades, and I will guarantee if you hook them up to say seven different systems, hence several, you WILL find them irritating on at least three of them. its called synergy and it happens. You are correct about the you not preferring them statement as well as the price not always being a factor. But some times you DO get what you pay for. As for the some "audiophiles" which I don't understand the quotations, because I don't SAY I'm an audiophile I ARE one! I would like to know who these "audiophiles" are, the associated equipment, the format they were listening to, i.e., vinyl, CD, mp3, Sirius, what pressing or copy number, perhaps you think these aren't important factors but I know they are and if you don't, hey that's fine. But there IS a difference between hearing and critical listening and in the world of the later equipment reviewers /audiophiles understand that and in their reviews list ALL of those factors so you the reader/ viewer have a scale by which to garner your own opinions from. I site sources such as The Absolute sound, Stereophile, the former Listener magazine and so on and I can tell you there isn't an "audiophile" in the bunch, they just don't play one on t.v. they ARE bonnifide! Listening is subjective and if everyone agreed the world would be pretty boring, but when people pour 20 to 30 years of their lives and tons of money for little to no pay to ensure people have an accurate source of information for others to be involved in a wonderful hobby/ lifestyle without the pain and massive expense of trial and error, I would tend to think they deserve juuussst a little more respect than, "only in "audiophile" circles and for good reason." I don't think you did a bad review at all, however there IS an apparent swipe at "audiophiles"in your presentation which I thought needed some clarification. For instance the headphones are only known in "audiophile" circles and for good reason on one hand but are good enough to supposedly quote as in "some "audiophiles" describe even the RS1 as sounding like glass shattering." Now which is it metal? Are they only a real "audiophile" if they agree with you? I'm just wondering what criteria you're using here so I'm not so sensitive to your implication and I can focus on your reviews. I do so love a good review.
@21kpatriot
9 жыл бұрын
metal571 Actually I'm surprised you mentioned Stax, another fine high end company which I meant to mention and another of my favs along with the Grados and Sennhiesers. Again these are my top three and they switch places at the top depending on the associated equipment. As far as Modi 1 or Magni 2 stack, that's Greek to me but I'm guessing it's computer generated and without a decent DAC you WILL get digititis from just about anything you hook to it. I will tell you the BEST equipment in the world, (speaker wise) will always be the most neutral and will accurately portray the sonic signature of the equipment upstream from it, period. Have fun with it but don't throw away your Grados because you think you've heard all the beauty they offer, especially when limiting them to what you're using. If you own so many headphones, which AREN'T really an audiophiles first pick anyway, perhaps it's time to start looking at a system which is worth spending some time with instead of one you have to strap pillows to your head to say "Yeah these really sound smooth in the upper mid range and above!" Grados as God like? Yeah that's sort of right and they earned it, but not just from me, from almost everyone who has heard or owned the headphones OR the cartridges, both of which I own and love and they have earned EVERY penny I've spent on them. Call me a sucker but back in the 80's I kept hearing about this poor but brilliant guy from Brooklyn that started making his own,really GREAT sounding audio gear, not only did it sound great but he even started GROWING his own Mahogany trees to use in his headphones and cartridges! It took me almost thirteen YEARS, three C.E.S.'s in three states and lots of listening to them in hundreds of systems plus some money saving but I finally convinced myself that I wanted the Phono cartridge and the Headphones. I wouldn't buy a 2015 Dodge Challenger R/T with a 6.1L Hemmi and stick the wheels from a 1972 Pinto on it, it may work, but it would be so wrong on so many levels as to be ridiculous. Fun for a photo op, perhaps but wrong. Yes you ARE an "audiophile" like it or not, the bug has bitten you BAD! Now the venom is making you think "I need some good equipment, I deserve to have some awesome sounding audio equipment!" " I owe it to myself and my public as a video reviewer to resist any urge to strap the beautiful wheels from a 2015 Dodge Challenger R/T to my '72 pinto and go pimping around my neighborhood!" I love your candor but your abilities AND your ears surpass the equipment you have by light years. Here's the basic rule of thumb, GREAT speakers of any kind or price hooked up to crap = crappy sound. Great equipment upstream hooked up to crappy sounding speakers= better sounding speakers. Now grasshopper go out and prove me wrong, o.k?
@metal571
9 жыл бұрын
21kpatriot oh there's nothing wrong with the Schiit Modi 1 and Magni 2, don't write it off. I've heard some higher end DACs and amps and they aren't a lot different. These Grados sound as they measure on CSDs and frequency response graphs. But yes, I haven't heard the highest end Grados. And no, I don't have crappy headphones in my collection. HD 600, K701, K271, DT770 just to name a few. You're right about me being bitten by the audiophile bug and eventually yes I will upgrade from the Schiit stack to something else anyway. Thanks for the fun conversation, most people aren't into this hobby as much as you and I are nowadays.
@21kpatriot
9 жыл бұрын
metal571 Well, thanks to your videos, that may change it should help more people see the enjoyment the hobby brings. Yeah, The HD 600's are hard to beat, the K701's I've only listened a few times to but I'm very impressed buy their sound, plus they are a great looking headphone I think the entire AKG line is good looking though especially in black.
@myessyallyahamericus8405
3 жыл бұрын
My stories true and I hate it.
@betulaobscura
5 жыл бұрын
Most metal and rock music is very poorly recorded and mastered. Loudness war mastering, plastic sounded mix etc. - make these records flat and unbearable to listen. Especially on headphones like this one. Despite this is entry level, Grado was not made for such noise! Grado is not aggressive sounding - it will unveil every poorly mastered record. Moreover, many people who complain about bass in Grado usually confuse fast and accurate bass with bumped up, cartoonish bass. Grado has a good reputation in audiophiles or music lovers circles. it is not a coincidence. You need proper records, proper amp. This is not for casual street (mp3) listener. Even this entry level headphones would show much more class if you know how to handle it.
@myessyallyahamericus8405
3 жыл бұрын
I dont like how these phones sound. I only like abandoning americas united states.
@nikami69
6 жыл бұрын
My friend there is something wrong with your setup if you don't like these headphones. Do a thorough check and you'll find the problem. Cheers
@metal571
6 жыл бұрын
Nope. I still completely stand by this review
@1antonio516
8 жыл бұрын
"..probably not going to survive...", well I purchased my Grado SR125's back in 1994, and still sound great. They need to break-in both in wearing and sound. You obviously don't know much about what you're talking about. Simply your opinion, so restrict it to that. Don't mention "Facts" or Absolutes, when you are stating subjective points. PS, learn not to wipe your nose, on camera at least.
@metal571
8 жыл бұрын
+Anthony Carswell burn in doesn't exist. Read about it. When it does, it's less than a dB. That's a fact, and so are measurements. That said, maybe the original Grados sounded better back then. Whatever this "e" model is, it's not worth it.
@neil9658
6 жыл бұрын
Grados are junk. I bought a pair off Amazon before and immediately returned them.
@boristrejos9169
8 жыл бұрын
Sorry, I just can't agree with your review here. If you don't like these headphones, it's about time you got your ears dewaxed! You're far from being an audiophile pal!!
@metal571
8 жыл бұрын
+Boris Trejos they're harsh, poorly engineered long decay drivers housed in a very uncomfortable, cheaply built construction and overpriced. Why anyone prefers these over the same priced HD 558 is still beyond my comprehension.
@boristrejos9169
8 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the comment sir but I'm still standing by what I said. Oh well, to each his own I guess. Take care.
@metal571
8 жыл бұрын
+Boris Trejos of course. That's the whole point of this hobby. If you enjoy it, great, and give the other SR series models a shot in the future. Thanks for stopping by the channel.
@keithscull8288
8 жыл бұрын
I heard these in a local audio store the other day and LOVED the clear clarity. I plan on buying a pair today. Thing is, for me at least, in the headphone world, it's all about trade-offs. You cannot expect a driver slapped up against your ear to have the most amazing clarity simultaneous to having immense low end, these cannot coexist in a headphone.. So, for me, so own a headphone like this is only beautiful in combination with another, bassier headphone. That said, I have my bassy V Moda M100s, M Audio Q 40s and Sony XB 500s, PLENTY of work in the bass department on all three. What I generally feel like I'm missing is straight CLARITY, so that's where I'd buy the SR80s, that's where they come in and that's why I personally plan on buying them today. The Sens 598 have fuller more quantifiable bass. But, as stated, I'm not looking for another headphone with bass. The SR80s are NOT inferior to the 598s, they stand for another sound signature and purpose.
@rafaeligalvez9474
6 жыл бұрын
I need to see these graphs you speak of. you refer to them in a lot of videos but no visuals.
@metal571
6 жыл бұрын
+Rafaeli Galvez innerfidelity.com has a large collection that I usually refer to
@Kike-Pastor
Ай бұрын
Con esa cara de inteligente no me extraña la review 😂
@Chaziradncjfdn
8 жыл бұрын
You really really hate high treble! :) Must be a Sennheiser man. :)
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