Hi xFirebird925x, I like and agree with your comment here. "这个时代连团结都不会,还能干什么呢?从来就没看见过老美上别的国家网站上跟自己人对骂的,学学人家吧". Don't just quarrel with each other. Stand up, plan and do real good things. That is the top priority now.
@TelcontarRulz Those 2 aren't normal books, those are official history books that tells the history of Ming Dynasty. Just that 明史 is less accurate while 明史稿 is the other way round.
@TelcontarRulz
12 жыл бұрын
@Acedscy Accuracy is highly debatable in a history book. For example, William of Tyre was the official historian of the Kingdom of Jerusalem during the 12th century. However, his book is touted as being biased towards a certain faction. As a historian, one must use one's mind to analyze information and decide whether it's correct or not. You might agree with a certain historian, but that doesn't make your opinion any more valid than someone else who disagrees with that historian.
@Acedscy (cont) If you compare the philosophy and technology of the Manchus right after they conquered China, you will find they adopted Ming philosophy and culture. They were not a highly cultured people with a lot of philosphies of their own. When you look at the later Qing, you will find the Manchurians adopted the habits and language of the earlier Ming aristocrats and forgot their own warrior culture (which might have saved China if they hadn't lost it).
@tonywu5748
3 жыл бұрын
汉武雄魂 长存
@TelcontarRulz
13 жыл бұрын
@papertiger7 The way I see it, they continued on a bad path set down by the Ming. That's not to say they didn't make their own mistakes, especially the Empress Tsi Xi (spelling?) but the Ming is the main culprit because they established the cultural stagnation which made China fall behind the rest of the world.
@TelcontarRulz
12 жыл бұрын
@Acedscy (cont) There was very little change in the three and a half centuries that the Ming ruled, whereas the Islamic world and Europe blossomed, and the latter in particular. That's because the Europeans did not shut off the outside world. They sought to explore it and learn about it. The Chinese didn't learn from their neighbours. That, in part might have been because their neighbours were too busy with surviving in harsh climates to develop high culture.
@leideng7829
10 жыл бұрын
谈笑渴饮匈奴血 壮志饥餐胡虏肉
@alikalik4032
9 жыл бұрын
Lei Deng 壮志饥餐民工肉 谈笑渴饮百姓血
@user-bo7gz5sk2z
3 жыл бұрын
@@alikalik4032 这哪跟那啊,胡扯瞎扯,你是愤青嘛?
@alikalik4032
3 жыл бұрын
@@user-bo7gz5sk2z 去学历史。
@user-bo7gz5sk2z
3 жыл бұрын
@@alikalik4032 愤青。
@alikalik4032
3 жыл бұрын
@@user-bo7gz5sk2z 无力讲理,直接扣帽子,就是你这类人的特色。
@ulyssis
12 жыл бұрын
@so0o0n well said!
@TelcontarRulz
12 жыл бұрын
@ Acedscy The Mongols adopted Islam/buddhism/the culture of wherever they conquered. The Manchurians did the same in China. That's why some Mongols ended up as Christians and others as Muslims and still others as buddhists. And that's also why the Manchurians ended up with Confucian philosophy.
@TelcontarRulz
12 жыл бұрын
@Acedscy Both the European nations and the Ottoman Turks were much further behind the Chinese in the 14th century, which is when the Ming began. By the end of the Ming, China still had the same political systems, more or less the same technology, and the same philosophies. By contrast, England had established a new political system, new weapons had been developed all over the continent and a plethora of new philosophies had blossomed.
@porpoise803
13 жыл бұрын
@so0o0n 你写了几十版了,说得好
@papertiger7
13 жыл бұрын
@TelcontarRulz You mean the Qing right? Please elaborate.
@papertiger7 (cont'd) The Manchurians didn't know any better because the Han culture was the most dominant in the region, and they believed they had to be like the Ming, so they took up that culture when they conquered China. They just get blamed for China's downfall because they're not Han, but in reality, the stage for downfall was set when the country started stagnating in the Ming.
@yifengsun8265
7 жыл бұрын
有高音质的吗?这个音质不太好。
@TelcontarRulz
12 жыл бұрын
@Acedscy I have not read either of those books. I base my understanding and opinion on empirical facts, not on what one historian says. The Ming shut off contact with the outside world. This is a fact. If you compare the technology and philosophy that existed at the beginning of the Ming Dynasty to those that existed at the end of the Ming, you will find not very much has changed while the rest of the world has moved on, leaving China behind.
@TelcontarRulz
12 жыл бұрын
@Acedscy (cont) China's geography didn't do it any favours. In the north and north west, it was separated from Russia and Central Asia by desert. In the west and southwest it was separated from India by the Himalayas. However, the Ming was the period where the Silk Road pretty much ceased because one emperor decided China was too good for the rest of the world. Therefore, it could not benefit from the the Renaissance in Europe or the Golden Age of the Ottoman Empire.
@Acedscy The lack of change is why I say the Ming caused China to stagnate and sowed the seeds for its defeat. You are free to disagree, of course, but I still don't think it's right to blame the Manchurians for all the woe China has suffered. And, to be quite honest, for me, the recent Confucian revival is a symptom that modern China is still making the same mistakes the Ming made.
@TelcontarRulz
13 жыл бұрын
@papertiger7 No, I mean Ming. They took over China in the 14th century and cut off all ties with the outside world because they thought they were so brilliant, stopping trade with Central Asia and the Middle East, causing China to stagnate whilst in the west, Europe was having a blooming rennaissance. It was during the Ming when footbinding was introduced, and there was a new interpretation of Confucian values which made people very obedient, thus stalling development.
@TelcontarRulz Ming Dynasty didn't shut off themselves to the world, if that is the case, what is Zheng He 7 voyages to the western sea is all about? Even after official seafaring has been terminated after Zheng He, private and commercial seafaring still continue. If you want to talk about technology please read through 武備志 and 天工開物 first. Philosophy wise, go read about those books written by 王守仁 first. His Confucius philosophy until now still has an influence in Japan and Korea.
it's regretful that few individuals are trying to seek stupid independence in southwestern and southeastern, I am so confused what benefits can you get!Is there anything wrong about a unified China!!! 哎,要等到哪年啊, tears...
@Luciesque
11 жыл бұрын
Why do so many people fight on youtube! It really isn't a place to talk about politics and to also to speak derogatorily about each other. It's so futile and stupid. Lets just enjoy the music and keep our unpleasant opinions civil or to ourselves. Peace.
@Acedscy Massacres are common in the past. Everyone did it. I don't approve of it but it doesn't make the Manchus or the Mongols any worse than anyone else of their era. Have you ever heard of the Massacre of Jerusalem? Or perhaps the great number of Chinese killed by other Chinese in various ways? The thing is the Manchus and the Mongols adopted the culture of the conquered. The fact that they massacred those people had little to do with it.
@TelcontarRulz It seems you read too much Qing version of Ming Dynasty history. Go read 明史稿 instead of 明史 . Historian acknowledged 明史稿 as the most accurate in reflecting Ming Dynasty history. 明史 produced by the Manchu Qing court has been edited to many times and its accuracy is highly doubted but it will be a good book to compare with 明史稿
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