Full podcast episode: kzitem.info/news/bejne/0pdj3aBumKmhjXY Lex Fridman podcast channel: kzitem.info Guest bio: Serhii Plokhy is a Ukrainian historian at Harvard University, director of the Ukrainian Research Institute, and an author of many books on history of Eastern Europe, including his latest book The Russo-Ukrainian War: The Return of History.
@nastybadger-tn4kl
7 ай бұрын
Ukraine has no origin. they are russians
@polarijet
7 ай бұрын
woah, haven't seen such a massive russian bot attack in quite a while
@typedef_
7 ай бұрын
@@3zub300 cope
@pogolas
7 ай бұрын
Who is the troll? And what did he lied about?
@Scar626
7 ай бұрын
Well, at least I see now what is seen as "bots". The media said that Russians would make a bunch of fake accounts that are controlled by bots (so not human, computers) and these opinions aren't seen as those held by the majority. Clearly a human holding such an opinion is seen as a bot now as well. Hell, maybe all these "fake" accounts were humans the whole time.
@putinhuylo5404
7 ай бұрын
@@pogolas You, for example...The way you posture yourself, the way you express yourself, in particular, on this chat... The problem with most of the russian trolls, is their English is so shallow, that if they try to oppose someone on KZitem, it looks sort of too "dumbish". Basically, they sort of "mark" themselves: "we're here on putin's behalf"
@pogolas
7 ай бұрын
@@putinhuylo5404 maybe that's because some of us, are not native speakers. Also, I am not Russian, and never lived in Russia. And...with that nickname, it is an oxymoron, that you call someone as "shallow". It is also an exhibit of a "rotten" being. I translated that one from Russian. Everyone is a Russian bot (no Ukrainian bots?) is worse conspiracy, than flat-earthers.
@nenadnovakovic3357
7 ай бұрын
So, if I got it right, it is not Rus-sians who are supposed to claim Rus origin, but instead Vik-ings and Ukrain-ians?
@AaSs-ln9mm
7 ай бұрын
so called vikings come to Kiev from Novgorod. Novgorod is Russia.
@dragon2695
7 ай бұрын
😂😂😂
@manichaean1888
7 ай бұрын
There were no Ukrainians at that time ))
@csab7218
7 ай бұрын
Rus is definitely a viking term. Wiki: The name Rus', like the Proto-Finnic name for Sweden (*Ruotsi), supposed to be descended from an Old Norse term for "the men who row" (rods-), and it could be linked to the Swedish coastal area of Roslagen or Roden. Fun fact: until the first world war Russians were commonly referred to as muszka (Moscovite) in Hungarian.
@ilya_rusin
7 ай бұрын
@@csab7218 it's still a debate among linguists. It can also mean "light" in Indo-Iranian languages
@andriyandriychuk
7 ай бұрын
I'm truly amazed Lex finally invited a Ukrainian.
@elizaleroux9173
7 ай бұрын
He's a history professor on Ukraine, but he was born in Russia Nizhny Novgorod . His Russian.
@WL113
7 ай бұрын
Check before posting 😅
@elizaleroux9173
7 ай бұрын
@@intergvl IF your parents are from USA and you are born in Russia.. your Russian.
@andreilukyanov4286
7 ай бұрын
@@elizaleroux9173 it's a tricky question. Nationality =/= ethnicity. You can have one nationality and an another ethnicity, depends of what you are talking about. Plohiy was born not in Russia, but in USSR, and his nationality is Ukrainian. His ethnicity is also Ukrainian.
@manichaean1888
7 ай бұрын
@@elizaleroux9173Nationalism is a system of believes. It is very losely connected to the one's ethnicity. For example the Finnish Nationalist hero Mannerheim was a Swede and a former general of the Russian Imperial army.
@glebarhangelsky4351
7 ай бұрын
About "Rus" and "Russia". The English philosopher Roger Bacon, in his work “Opus Majus” (“Great Essay”), written in 1267, noted: “from the north of this province is great Russia (Russia Magna), which from Poland on one side extends to Tanais, but the greater part of it borders in the west with Leucovia... on both sides of the Eastern (approx. Baltic) Sea there is great Russia (Russia Magna)”[58]. Another description of Russia is Marco Polo's Book of Wonders of the World from the 1290s: “the territory of Russia (Russia) is very large and divided into many parts, I will consider the part with the cold north winds (approx. Tramontana), where this is said to exist unknown region"[59].
@alexeykkk9557
7 ай бұрын
Surely they meant to write Ukraine, but made typos for some reason
@ld8341
7 ай бұрын
They were referring to Kievan Rus, not more recent Muscovy or modern Russia. Muscovy was founded by the Kievan Rus, not the other way round.
@MannMacho
7 ай бұрын
It was just Rus. State named "Kievan Rus" never existed.@@ld8341
@alexeykkk9557
7 ай бұрын
@@ld8341 with Ukrainians trying to stress at each and every moment that they are not Russians and not related in the slightest but it appears that Ukrainians are just occupying a territory where neither culture, nor history belong to them. It’ll be interesting to see the outcomes of this self-inflicted divide.
@mariaannenkova7954
Ай бұрын
@@ld8341 it was a seperate princely that was competitive to Kiev. The fact that the Moscow ruler decided at some point to negotiate with mongols first and then to unionise with other rus princely made Moscow greater than kiev and allowed to concur it later on.
@mekhedashow
7 ай бұрын
Jeeeesh…so many ru bots, ew. Plokhiy is one of the greats in this niche.
@eddievangundy4510
7 ай бұрын
Great liar.
@izil1fe
7 ай бұрын
rofl
@HillarySmirkingClinton
6 ай бұрын
Even he admitted that he has no clue.
@ElanMorin
6 ай бұрын
there were a couple points in there where I thought I'd never heard someone so skilfully and deftly avoid answering the actual question and I was very impressed 😂
@stivvits1067
7 ай бұрын
I was always thinking that principalities of Kiev, Moscow, Vladimir, Novgorod etc were all part feudal fragmentation process. All Europe was going through it. It would really be interesting to know when approximately one proto-nation was split into three
@Ls151000
7 ай бұрын
After the western lands fell under the rule of Lithuania, and then Poland. During the Mongol invasion.
@pavlosegeda8294
7 ай бұрын
Problem is there no proto-nation ^) It was bunch of different tribes that could in some degree to understand each other, plus in later periods of Kievan Rus they colonized a lot of non-slavic tribes. You need to remember that nations in modern terms didn't arrive till late 18 century.
@greasher926
17 күн бұрын
Something similar happened with the Frankish/Carolingian empire which split into three, west Francia (France), Middle Francia (Netherlands, Italy) and East Francia (Germany).
@ayemmi
7 ай бұрын
That looks more like a spin doctor rather than a "historian". A more impartial "historian" would mention that the first capital (i.e., the principal center of political, trade, and cultural life) of the Eastern Slavs was Novgorod, not Kiev. Then in 882, the rulers of Novgorod conquered (or liberated, depending on how you want to view it) Kiev from the Khazar Khaganate (a Turkic state). Prior to that, Kiev had not had the status of a capital polity. Following the conquest, Oleg founded the ruling dynasty and moved the capital from Novgorod to Kiev, hence establishing Kievan Rus, and then started conquering (or gathering/uniting) more Eastern Slavs under the same rule. This is not dissimilar to how, a few centuries later, the capital was moved once again from Kiev to Moscow, and then another cycle of reconquista of Slavic lands began (this time from the Mongols). It doesn't seem that providing an impartial and comprehensive historical context was the agenda of this 'historian.' I would expect Lex, who was born in Moscow and is surely familiar with all this information, to question his guest more thoroughly to reveal their true agenda.
@jonsonrocket8549
7 ай бұрын
Kyiv was not under Khazar Khaganate. Oleg was rather a Scandinavian than Slavic.
@decekfrokfr3mdx
7 ай бұрын
A prince who was an offshoot of the Kievan Rus (Yuri Dolgoruky) established Muscovy, but the peasantry in Muscovy were from Finnic and other Slavic tribes, not made up of Kievan Rus people. Over time the languages of Musocvy and the Kievan Rus diverged and separate polities, cultures, and ethnicities developed - one Kievan Rus (later Ruthenian, and later Ukrainian) and one Muscovite (later Russian). This is the same pattern we see throughout history around the world. After all, all Indo-European peoples come from one original progenitor tribe, with a series of divergences over the millennia based on migration, conquest, and gradual cultural change, resulting in the hundreds of different peoples today.
@jhargh12234
7 ай бұрын
Novgorod didn't refer themselves as Rus back then. They took Russ identity only in much later period.
@johnsmith8055
7 ай бұрын
@@decekfrokfr3mdx you ignored migrations during the period of Moscow ascension, when Kiev declined following mongol sacking.
@decekfrokfr3mdx
7 ай бұрын
@@johnsmith8055 It wasn't meant to be a comprehensive overview, rather than a short history to show claims that Russians and Ukrainians are one people are wrong.
@DavidKolbSantosh
7 ай бұрын
I do not think that we can rely on language to put people in different ethnic or national groups, as language is always rather quickly evolving. We can look at a country like India and see amongst two ethnic groups of people (Indo-Aryan and Dravidian) several different languages.
@hizbawiginbarginbarghinda3872
7 ай бұрын
Whenever social sciences, including history, use so called advances from natural science; most often, they come up with something odd and stupid. Is he saying variation in DNA among the slavic people is a factor that can help explain ongoing conflict in Ukraine?
@KrA40n1
7 ай бұрын
India is not a nation it is a civilization.
@JPJ432
7 ай бұрын
Fun Fact about Russia: It was Russia who saved The Union during the American Civil War as they sent their Navy to San Francisco and New York when England and France were just about to enter the war on the side of the Confederates since London created the Confederates. France was already in Mexico making a spear head movement to resupply the Confederates and to open up a Pacific Theatre and to create a port in California. England already amassed 11,000 troops and growing stationed at their Northern Confederacies border now called Canada ready to open a Northern Theatre to divert Union troops away from their Southern Confederacy then to attack The Unions naval blockade. The Union would have been completely destroyed and annexed by those two great powers leaving the Confederates to exist as either a puppet state of London or to be fully brought back into the fold of the British Empire. London was already courting (threatening/bribing) other countries to get involved like Spain while Russia was in talks with Prussia to ally with incase London was to intervene. Seeing all of this Tsar Alexander II wrote a letter to Queen Victoria saying “If you enter in this war it will be a casus belli for all out war with the Russian Empire”. The stage was set for the 1st World War and Russia stopped it. There is also a memorial in San Francisco for the hundreds of Russian sailors who came off their Asiatic fleet ships that died while helping the city put out a fire that threatened to lay waste to it during the War.
@JPJ432
7 ай бұрын
The Russian fleet also threatened to Shell Australian ports along with other British Pacific Colonies if Britain aided the Confederates. A confederate war ship spent a lot of time in Australian waters and was supported by the Australian public, some even signing on as crew members. This Confederate war ship laid waist to the US Pacific whaling fleet and is reported to have fired the last shot in the war. The name of the ship was called the CSS Shenandoah. Its surrender was at Liverpool England where Confederate Commander Bulloch was stationed Russia also helped Thailand (Kingdom of Siam) maintain its sovereignty from being completely Partitioned/Annexed from the British and French around the same time. The very word Thai (ไทย) means 'free man' in the Thai language which is partially to thank to the Russians as they might have ended up being a colony or part of another country/colony if not for their intervention.
@lifewithchicago5282
7 ай бұрын
Fun fact we don’t owe anything to Russia.
@416raptor6
7 ай бұрын
USA saved russia from starvation 5 times in the last 100 years
@TWK_THD
7 ай бұрын
And today state department sponsored "historian" try to BS zoomers on KZitem
@JPJ432
7 ай бұрын
For a little more context: The British (City of London) are the ones who created our divide in the first place to put brother against brother. After the war Lincoln wanted to rebuild the South and had plans to do so. He and half his Cabinet were assassinated by London. Many of the others that survived had multiple assassination attempts on them especially William Seward who had like a dozen or so, many almost killing him. Most of the Operations for the Civil War and post war plans and assassinations were made in London and then sent to Montreal a hub for spies and intel in the Americas for the British Empire then passed through to Confederate President Jefferson Davis to follow the orders. Many of the South's own leaders were selling out the South to British interest even General Lee. Unfortunately London had many of their Tentacles and Webs on both sides. Lincoln stated that the Department Of State is completely controlled by British Interest that he had to constantly fight against. It was in the 1870s that a Paradigm Shift happened were the British took control within the Reunited States through subversion (which was easy to do so as all their agents were brought back into the Union and a large part of their opposition killed) and have had it all the way up to this day. Some presidents fought against it like Garfield, McKinley, Harding, Roosevelt, and Kennedy and all were killed. That is the Decade that we turned from a Republic and into an Empire.
@ironfist768
Ай бұрын
Slavs are distinct people of similar origin. Just like brothers.
@lukasbanevicius5633
7 ай бұрын
“Small group called Lithuanians that is now Ukraine and Belarus”? I’m guessing he phrased it wrong
@liamoneill5098
7 ай бұрын
What hes saying is that during the Mongol period the eastern slavs of that original homeland area came under Mongol rule and formed around vladimir then moscow and the western slavs of the original homeland area allied with Lithuanians and were able to remain independent the start of the polish Lithuanian commonwealth
@dimitryp
7 ай бұрын
@@liamoneill5098 Independent under Polish-Lithuanian commonwealth? :D Hehe.
@lukasbanevicius5633
7 ай бұрын
@@dimitryp the one where a Lithuanian duke married a Polish princess? It is known, Poland was lacking men.
@liamoneill5098
7 ай бұрын
@@dimitryp independent from mongols
@dimitryp
7 ай бұрын
@@liamoneill5098 and dependent on Poles imposing Catholicism and treating those as 2nd class citizens. No sovereignty.
@golden_smaug
7 ай бұрын
This guy writes wonders. His book about Chernobyl is one of the best I've read on the subject
@DelijeSerbia
7 ай бұрын
This reminds me a lot of the balkans where you have people who identify as some other ethnic group based on religion or some other historical reason. And that wouldnt be a problem if there was no claiming history that you share with others or even worse take from them. And I wont go into details :) Also it is false that language is the deciding factor when it comes to ethnicity. People can speak differently in two villages that are close by, it is called dialects. It doesnt mean that they are ethnically different and it also doesnt mean that they are same. For example in Italy people in Sicily and those in Veneto speak very differently, diffrence is bigger then Russian/Ukrainian and they are still considered Italians. German on the other hand have Austrians who are "not Germans" that speak closer to Bavarian dialect then Bavarian is close to northern dialects. So there are many factors that play a role in this and Ukrainians have a right to identify as not Russians but that gets us to the right of Ukrainians that do have a right to identify as Russians.
@AlexthunderGnum
7 ай бұрын
I think, it would be useful to tell that the word "Ruth" or :Rus" that was mentioned, in Slavic languages means "Enlightened place". When you go through the woods and you see the place where the light of the Sun illuminates an opened space between the trees - that is "Rus". This word also was used for the colour of our hair. We have the hair colour that is lighter than brunette, but not as white as blonds. This color, in our languages, is called "Rusi".
@adamkroupa5855
7 ай бұрын
thank you, that was fascinating to read.
@radoslavliptak3842
7 ай бұрын
Do not think so, Rus could be only associated with the ginger People in my language. Enlightment is not in the root of the word.
@AlexthunderGnum
7 ай бұрын
@@radoslavliptak3842 Well... don't think then. I was referring to our language, the language of Русь people. I'm sure other people will read whatever they want into these words.
@radoslavliptak3842
7 ай бұрын
@@AlexthunderGnum my language is also slavic.
@AlexthunderGnum
7 ай бұрын
@@radoslavliptak3842 Congratulations! It is a privilege to be one of Slavs.
@upperroomtoo
7 ай бұрын
How did Kyiv become "keeve" in the last two years when for the last 60 years of my life it was called "key-ev"?
@KA-yw7hr
7 ай бұрын
First of all, where I come from in western Ukraine, we always called it Kyiv not Kiev for as long as I remember. It seems you have forgot that in in general, most of Ukraine was forcefully Russified during the USSR era. That is, it really, Kyiv has been the official name in the Ukrainian government since the 90s.
@billkar6479
7 ай бұрын
@@KA-yw7hrlmao there are countries that still call Beijing peking, it’s just a matter of virtue signalling to use such a region specific spelling in the west.
@carkawalakhatulistiwa
7 ай бұрын
@@KA-yw7hrmeaning the territory of Ukraine which has always been under Poland
@KA-yw7hr
7 ай бұрын
@@carkawalakhatulistiwa yes for a good while occupied by Poland? So what is your point?
@iljastalberg5610
7 ай бұрын
@@KA-yw7hr It never was Kyiv cose then name was Kyi said as Kee thus name for given form is Kiev same given form btw that it was in old Russian and after time past the locals who have a lot of different lingos started piled up on it with ton of Polish in it started calling in Kyiv (incorrectly i might add but since propaganda is a powerful tool it stuck ) Kyiv is the romanized official Ukrainian name for the city. Києвъ - Kiev is original
@captainchaoscow
27 күн бұрын
To be clear - Bulgaria is the first slavic state with 681 AD. Bulgaria is the first slavic state adopting Christianity and developing a the Cyrillic. So Bulgaria is the big brother. Russia is the fat brother.
@constantinvasiliev2065
7 ай бұрын
(6:53) NO. Kiev Rus was not Russian empire. It would be good to discuss the origins of Moscow and their attitude towards more educated and civilize Novgorod people to better understand what how the actual Russian Empire originated, it's goals and and why it's different from Kiev Rus (as mentioned at 7:32)
@semina5
Ай бұрын
There was never a state called "Kyivan Rus!" It was called Rus'! The period when Kyiv was the capital and main city of Rus' was coined as "Kievan Rus'" by the Russian historian S.M. Solovyov in the 19th century.
@luisvillafane3950
7 ай бұрын
Well, listening to the guest, particularly his latest comments, the difference between Ukraine and Russia, on the one hand, and the United States, Australia and the United Kingdom, on the other, is that Ukraine has only been an independent nation for thirty-something years. This is pretty much the same numbers of years the United States had when the War of 1812 broke out. So to me, the War of 1812 is a good parallel to think about what's happening in Eastern Europe. In the case of the United States, it manages to remain completely independent; In the case of Ukraine, we'll see.
@Michael-vp9gs
7 ай бұрын
500AD Kyiv is in the Historical Records. 1000 AD Kyiv is marrying French Kings. 1230 AD is the first Historical mention of Moscow.
@gwlevits
6 ай бұрын
Oh boy wow imagine history happening.
@greasher926
17 күн бұрын
You do realize that capitals move. For example in 1918 Kharkiv was the capital of Ukraine. Or that St. Petersburg was the capital of the Russia from 1712 to 1918. A very interesting example is that Rio de Janeiro in Brazil was the capital of the Portuguese empire from 1808 to 1821.
@EscudoPadraoPrata
5 ай бұрын
I am again surprised he made so many major mistakes, probably because he went back and fort in a single historical period, the mongal woke. I believe he also made the mistake of understanding the Rus. The Rus was not of the same nature as other european mediavel states, quite far form it. Rus was a confederation of trading principalities. Trade organised alliances and priorities. The Rus was created in Novgorod. To protect their major trading route, to the back sea, that is to the Eastern Roman Empire. But that route fade away, as Constantinopla faded a way and the black sea coast felt into the hands of turkic nations, which eventually become muslims. Also, saying the maine trade of the Rus to be slaves is really messing up to many different eras. That's by the time of decadence of Kiev, a little before its destruction, and the Rus was not the only one envolved in enslaving, so were the poles and the teutonic mights. So the Black Sea route lost importance, so did Kiev, a new route was open, the one to the Caspian Sea that gave access to another very rich city, Bagdad. That route went through the volga river system. Vladimir-Souzdal was a very important principality if not the most important after Novgorod by the time Kiev is destroyed. Novgorod was the most important and powerful of all the constitutancies of the Rus, a traders republic with real stone walls, not wood walls like Kiev. Much more to the East Vladimir, Tula, Tver, Novgorod started to ignore Kiev, as the grow in terms of economic importance and expands to the east to explore products to export to the south. Moscow was founded in the place the Moskva river connects with the Volga, a fortess to control the trade between the north and the south before entering in the grounds of another major state, Eastern Bulgaria, later Kazan Kahnate. The mongals come but the mongols just wanted their taxes, they did not influentiated the everyday life of its subjuged peoples. The system of exchange of princies between the principalities, like it was tradition before the destruction of Kiev continued. The principalities dependent on the mongals had to had them confirmed by them, but Peskov or Novgorod did not (they were trader republics but elected a rudrik prince for a stipulated time as their military protector). When Kiev was destroyed, nothing really remained, the metropolit of Kiev and all the Rus moved to Vladimir and later to was forced to Moscow when the princies of the Vladimir principality moved the seat to Moscow. Moscow become the most important city in what was left of the Rus in the East. Pesok later Minsk allied with the Kindogom of Lithuania and in Halich the principality evolved to a Kingdom, claiming heritage from Kiev. They survived 150 years than were absorved by Poland and Hungary. By that time Moscow princies claime also the primacy over all other principalities. Bagdad will be destroyed by the Mongals and trade moves to silk road which comed from the east of Kazan. In the XVI cent. Moscow confrontate the Mongals, stop paying them the tribute, and anexed several principalities as a mater of trade war. The pivital moment is Ivan the terrible, of the sad one, which decides to conquest Kazan, to have direct acess to the trade routes in the east. Ivan invited several european and oriental scholars, had the penal code reformed, anexed Novgorod and call it self Tsar, a word used by the kings of Bulgaria before, meaning Ceasar. Ivan maries the last princesse of Constantinopla and percieves itself not just as the King of all Russ but also as the rightfull heir of Constantinopla. Later a path through the Ural montains is found and that allows the Russian to enter what we today call Siberia. It is also important to note Siberia was not conquested. Alliances between russian trader and local leaders lead to military alliances. Now the grave moment in Russian history is the time of trouble on the end of the XVI. Poland invades Moscow, it tries to convert it to catholicism and engares in extreamly bloody business. The Poles are eventually expelled but keep Smolensk. It now that thare is some religious character on the ties between Russia and the west but also a sence of pride to free Smolensk. 60 years long will the Russians try. A pleasent rebelian plus the emergency of a Kosak society achieve victory over the poles, the rebelians ask the Tsar for protection and in a treaty the poles gave the russians the richt bank of the Dnieper to Russia where a village call Kiev existed around the ruins of old orthodox monasteries. These are territorial conquest for conquest, but Russia is still a comercial empire. Peter the Great becomes King and wants to westernise Russia. But by funding Saint Petersburg he is actually creating new trading routes. The center of Peter still today has the bazar where traders from the silk road exposed their merchandise. But with westernization Russia will reinvent itself. I am surprised that this historian is more interested in tell the history of the historiography of Russia than a history of the Rus and Russia. Peter the Great created the strategy of the worm lakes which Ekaterina the Great, II, concreticized. We still far from reconquesting all the traditional lands of the Rus. The main goal is to secure access to the warm seas, the Black Sea, the Caspian Sea and eventually to the Mediterranian Sea. It is much later with Nikolai I and Alexander that the concept of the slavic empire takes form. Other very important moments in the history of Russia after Peter the Great, is the rise of Georgian refugees to the high ranks of the army, which lobbyed for the liberation of Georgia and to a lesser extend of Armenia, the stabilization of the eastern front in central asia, which was precipitated to the anexation those peoples to block the british. The great game. And last and not least the decline of Empire of the Middle, China, that lead to desigual alliance of opportunity as the rise of Japan treatned the Russian Far East.
@mariaannenkova7954
Ай бұрын
Yeah, agree with your point on Novgorod; he is not cohesive with the facts! He forgets to mention that Rus was occupied by the Mongols, not just in conflict. Not a very good clip.
@aiurea1
16 күн бұрын
Do you still want the Mediteranean sea?
@EscudoPadraoPrata
11 күн бұрын
@@aiurea1 what is your point? Is it some kind of joke? The Russians want free acess to all the seas. Black Sea, Caspian Sea, Pacific, Artic and obvious free passage for the other seas, Mediterranean, North Sea, East China Sea and so on. Does someone tries to choke, than will have to deal with it. China and the US do exactly that..
@NankaNemo
7 ай бұрын
Professor Timothy Snyder from Yale has a 23 part series on the history of Ukraine on KZitem
@cliveengel5744
7 ай бұрын
Yes, it is Woke and Revisionist - Ukraine is funding him to rewrite the History of Ukraine in the vision of Zallenskyy. Ukraine that, Ukraine was this, Ukraine is the center of Jewish Culture in Europe, Ukraine was the bridge of all in Indo-European Languages, Ukraine Cossacks, Ukrainian Synchians, Ukraine Tatars, Ukrainian Chipcaks, Ukrainian Tumans, Ukrainian Siberians and Ukrainian Khazars! “Ukraine Cossacks helped lift the Siege of Vienna in 1663.” he is wrong; the Zaporizhzian Cossack Hetmanate assisted; they were neither Ukrainian, Poles, nor Russian. Ukraine never existed until 1922, and Snyder uses nation word blending to convey this narrative that Ukraine existed from the 5th Century. The Soviet Bolsheviks put modern Ukraine together from the Russian Black Sea Cities, Berrassarabia, Polish East Galicia Volhynia, and Russian Crimea. Ukraine was just a bunch of Agarian Serfs, nothing more, and they were not the Viking Kievan Rus. The best books on Central Europe and Modern Ukraine are from Robert Mogosic from the University of Toronto, who gives ethnic distribution maps, linguistic data, and industrial capacity. The Soviet Union Industrialized Ukraine and built its Metals, Mining, and Manufacturing base, and the Russians built all Nuclear Power Stations and Dams. Ukraine was always Agrarian people. Ukraine was bankrupt in 1991 already and needs you guys to give them everything, just like in the Soviet days. Time to learn some hard facts about history, “Ukrainian Finns and Balts, Ukrainian Swedes, Ukrainian Greek and of course Helen of Ukrainian! Snyder is Woke!
@jimcallahan448
7 ай бұрын
What about the Austro-Hungarian empire?
@maxwellhudson438
7 ай бұрын
It came from the Austrian Empire, and the hungarians were rebelling due to ethnic tensions, and they became a duel monarchy under pressure. You probably want to know more about he Austrian Empire's history not Austro-Hungary
@HillarySmirkingClinton
6 ай бұрын
They aren't Slavic. They aren't really Aryan either, despite a certain Austrian self-identifying as such.😅 Slaving came into Europe from Anatolia during Bronze Age Collapse... Huns came from Asiatic Steppes east of Anatolia, and migrated closer to the Roman era.
@Pirake123
7 ай бұрын
Everyone from Africa anyways!
@boycotte
7 ай бұрын
Same as a North Macedonian professor of history! MSM would love him!
@holmavik6756
6 ай бұрын
Not Vladimir but Valdemar
@JunkersP
7 ай бұрын
So Scandinavians have a claim on Russia.
@chadheathjr3371
7 ай бұрын
Sure, like I have a claim to Africa
@holmavik6756
6 ай бұрын
Absolutely!
@VancouverInvestor
5 ай бұрын
Lol...go ahead and take it. If Zheihan is right though, over time the Swedes might be able to if Russia collapses enough.
@andresfelipeod6819
5 ай бұрын
many people have eternal claims on everywere. by the Way. ¿who deserves Most Texas? the Gringos, or the Mexicans? just Asking because this Russian historian wonders me something with his explanation of UCraine. if the matters is the linguistic, there are more Spanish-Speakes Cubans in Miami that Gringos, so does it makes Miami a Cuban City? only because the people there are Cuban-Descendt, and speaks Spanish? is a nice Question to Ask.
@red_red3743
Ай бұрын
My brother in Christ, whole Scandinavia has a population of 20 million people, which is like Saint Petersburg + Moscow. They are not going to do anything.
@tsvetomiriliev5804
7 ай бұрын
0:55 waiting to see Bulgaria, 1:11 waiting to hear my own nationality Bulgaria, hearing Russians spreading 9th century and a bit earlier while there was no Russia at that time No mention of Bulgarian Orthodoxy, Bulgarian written language spreading through Slavs. All Orthodox Churches in all Slav countries use old Bulgarian language, just like Mosques use Arabic. Ok thank you for aknowledging, 3:45.
@abrvalg321
7 ай бұрын
He meant eventually. In general he puts political BS: here weren't russians, ukrainians and belorussians at the rime, just around 20 eastern slavic tribes. Chehoslovaks, lol. WTF. Somehow skipped moravians (bigger tribe than bohemians). This guy is regular pro-western propagandist, just like other Lex's guests.
@joshuapaul2022
7 ай бұрын
It's just a legend. Cyril and Methodius had never been to Bulgaria. They lived in Czechia. The irony is that their legacy in Czechia was almost completely wiped out by German colonization.
@viktorradinoski3697
7 ай бұрын
Its Macedonian 🇲🇰
@autopilot3176
7 ай бұрын
You shouldn't have "waited", as Bulgarian. "Slavs" have nothing to do with neither of you. No such thing as "Slavs" or "Slavic". The word is Slavni (glorious), SLAVNI ILIRI (Glorious ILLYRIANS) = BOSNIA. DNA haplogroup i2a1, Bosnians, 30000 years old gene tree, oldest in Europe. You're our offspring. Entire Europe. We predate Roman Empire by more than 10 millennia. The name of Ilirian/Bosnian kingdom was ili (ILI) 3000 and 5000 and 10000 years ago, it's the root of the word civ-ili-zation. School with classrooms digged out in and around Sarajevo, capital of Bosnia, were carbon-dated to 14000 BC. Romans defeated us in year 9 AD, after 500 years of war, on and off. Thousands of Bosnian=Ilirian verbs end with "ili" and nouns contain "ili", it's also present in thousands of words in almost all European languages, for ex. nob-ili, gent-ili, m-ili-on, b-ili-on, tr-ili-on, fac-ili-ty, ab-ili-ty, ut-ili-ty, etc. List is endless. Books were written about this. Bosnian language is richest, most expressive and precise language on Earth. We created foundations, because we are the first, not Romans, not Greeks or anyone else. You're not us, you came from us. Big difference. Russia is refusing to return to Bosnia a copy (1 of 3) of the Bosnian state document "Charter of Kulin ban" from 1189, because as per their official Ministry response: "It's the oldest document they have of their origins". Bosnian origins. Document is written by Bosnian in Bosnian language and Bosnian scripture called Bosančica. Every Russian every morning, their first words are in Bosnian: Dobro jutro (good morning) and Zdravo (hello/bye).
@EvgeniyYakushev-m2u
7 ай бұрын
@@autopilot3176 Great legends bro, you should be friends with the Ukrainians, they said they dug up the Black Sea.
@danlowe8684
7 ай бұрын
Comments are so educational...I love it.
@chriszenko3598
7 ай бұрын
Our language Ukrainian is more related to Polish than Russian
@gwlevits
6 ай бұрын
That’s not the flex you think it is.
@thebenevolentsun6575
5 ай бұрын
Ukrainian is east Slavic polish is west Slavic.
@esvedra2419
Ай бұрын
So you were oppressed by the poles for centuries, and now are somehow presenting this as some sort of advantage? Mind you, if not the Soviets (incl. all the natives who fought on its side), the Ukrainian Socialist Republic would never be formed, and most likely ukrainians would be fully polonized by now.
@neotek8582
Ай бұрын
@@gwlevits100% spot on. It’s slightly closer to Polish because of the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth dominance. The old East Slavic language that the “Ukrainians” or maliy Rooskiy spoke was much closer to Old Russian at the time.
@borisnikator7060
7 ай бұрын
Byzantine was not the thing. That time was ERE. So that man isn't reliable. Also he misses Novgorod and Ladoga history that were important before Kiev.
@onni5302
7 ай бұрын
Well Ere and Byzanteni empire are used as interchangeable by many professional historians because it was basically the same country after changing its name. Also you shouldn't point out the Novgorod and Ladoga history. Then you'd have to admit that even their name "Rus" originates from norse term from rowing. Also the legendary founder of Kiovan Rus "Rurik" is a Swede😂😂😂.
@borisnikator7060
7 ай бұрын
@@onni5302 you are totally true except Byzantine Empire -- there was no such state, the name was created by the western historians that were too lazy. It was always Roman Empire, they called themselves Romans not Byzantines.
@onni5302
7 ай бұрын
@@borisnikator7060 oh, well I didn't know that. Quite like the Persia-Iran thing. Thank you for sharing information.
@glebarhangelsky4351
7 ай бұрын
Well, he is Ukrainian, if he mentions Novgorod, he should deny his whole story. Why would a Ukrainian do that? So, no Novgorod for you today.
@IgorFlysta
7 ай бұрын
Ladoga wasn’t a city but a Viking’s resting point, and Novgorod archeologically showed to be founded in 10th century.
@rafaelsanz3441
7 ай бұрын
The Republic of Ukraine is older than the Russian federation. The first was born in May 1991, the second one in December 1991. Before, it was CCCP and before, the Russian Empire. To come back to the Soviet Union or to the Russian Empire, Russia should attack and “do what the hell he wants with” the civilian population of 5 NATO countries ; I don’t think we need a nuclear war in Europe just for the whim to rebuild the Soviet Union or the Russian Empire, nobody can go back in time to the past. Russia has already 15 million Km2, why on earth mass murder millions of Ukrainians just to get an additional half million ? Being the biggest European country, Russia is also the poorest and culturally more backwarded.
@redderred
5 ай бұрын
so muscovy belongs to the mongols, it's their ancestral land
@nikolayy3508
7 ай бұрын
Not a word about Great Novgorod, huh? The predecessor of the Kiev?
@tw7509
7 ай бұрын
What are you talking about russian troll? Kyiv was founded at the end of 5th century, when Novgorod - the beginning of the 10th, at best the end of the 9th century.
@Truffle_Young_Jr
7 ай бұрын
Oleg came to Kiev from Novgorod, caprured it and proclaimed it themother of all Russian towns. So all Rus came from a place which is now known as Rurikovo Gorodische, which preceded Novgorod. Novgorod is literally 'new town'.
@dg-ov4cf
7 ай бұрын
alexander the great founded russia in greece look it up
@radionashholos
7 ай бұрын
@@dg-ov4cf 🤣🤣🤣🤣
@radionashholos
7 ай бұрын
@@Truffle_Young_Jr 🤣🤣🤣
@Ian-vj5pv
7 ай бұрын
Ukrainians is the post 1918 concept. Before that, they were russyns of łemek, boiko, hucul etc. tradition
@paulfelkner6749
7 ай бұрын
You forgot the Sorbs.
@Mike-br8zt
7 ай бұрын
The Stasi didn't - they were always being watched.
@ShaaRhee
7 ай бұрын
And the Slovenians
@JordanDinRI
7 ай бұрын
@@ShaaRhee*Alpine Serbs 😜
@ShaaRhee
7 ай бұрын
@@JordanDinRI North Macedonians!
@csab7218
7 ай бұрын
@@ShaaRhee and the Vends!
@Bandera123
7 ай бұрын
This guy is a joke, Im surprised he made it to this podcast
@jhargh12234
7 ай бұрын
Which facts do you find funny?
@BERENCEV
7 ай бұрын
Plokhy is translated as “Bad” from Ukrainian. I think it’s another reason to question his ideological Maidan-triggering-war influenced view on History. But the motive here is very simple: Young UKR.nation is trying to extend its historical origins to pre-Medieval Europe times. Nationalist oriented historians creating such historical mythology narrative that would encourage modern / young Ukrainians to be proud of their “long history”. Perhaps, the notion that Kiev is Older than Moscow gives them immense sense of superiority over their rivals from Russian Z side in commentary section.
@markarmage3776
7 ай бұрын
A version of history recognized by literally no one. If Kievan Rus is the earliest State, the sovereignty over the entirety of Kievan Rus territory lies with the eventual Tsardom of Russia, hence Russian Empire, at least the "Russian" part of the empire, and of course Russia. The capital of Kievan Rus moved from Novgorod to Kiev, such as the move of the ruling family, the Rurik Dynasty and then after Kievan Rus fell, the ruling family moved again to Moscow and their kingdom remains there till today. Rus does means Russia, or Russia is the most powerful and the most legitimate successor to the Rus name. Deal with it, this is recognized history by over 80% of global population. Lithuanian did not liberate the Rus land, Lithuanian took over and conquered it for a period of time, in case you don't know, the Polish and Lithuania Commonwealth is of course another war waging kingdom that took territories by force. And that part was purchased back by the Russian "Empire", buying back their own rightful territory.
@dimitryp
7 ай бұрын
Bravo, some common sense among the delusional thoughts presented by the guy. Especially about the the Polish-Lithuanian liberation. And Yes, Tatar-mongols of the Western part were not needed to be fought to by Rus lands west of Dnepr river under Polish-Lithuanian commonwealth. All the occupation, tribute pay, and destruction as well as fighting the hordes was done by the Moscovy Rus primarily that formed the following sovereign Russian Kingdom in 15-16th century.
@glebarhangelsky4351
7 ай бұрын
1. Russia was used as a synonim since XIII cent in european use, 2. "Kievan Rus" is a XIX-cent term for timing, historic period, the same like "Vladimirskaya Rus" or "Moscovskaya Rus". By the way, often they use "Kievo-Novgorodskaya Rus" to emphasize both capitals, Kiev and Novgorod.
@markarmage3776
7 ай бұрын
@@glebarhangelsky4351 Sure, buddy. Tell yourseld whatever keeps you asleep at night. But it can't change the fact. The sole successor to Kievan Rus is the Russian Empire, the most powerful branch of the royal family, and actually the only surviving branch that became ruling monarchs. Ouch.
@glebarhangelsky4351
7 ай бұрын
@@markarmage3776 Have you even read my comment? you are arguing with someone in your head. The Russian Empire is the rightful air of RUS (also RUSIA since XIII). "Kievan Rus" is a XIXth century term used in Russian historiography to mark a particular historical period of Rus/Russia.
@tortap
7 ай бұрын
So, basically the muskovites stole all the land from the mongols and later also invaded europe and ukraine.
@Jolly_Rodger
7 ай бұрын
So basically you’re right, but don’t forget they were influenced and heavily supported by aliens from another galaxy.
@tortap
7 ай бұрын
@@Jolly_Rodger was it the lizard people?
@Jolly_Rodger
7 ай бұрын
@@tortap Some of them.
@kriskris2625
Ай бұрын
Kiev Rus was a Norman state and that’s about it
@arnaspabedinskas1470
7 ай бұрын
Kyiv as the Capital of "that huge empire" from Baltics to todays central Ukraine - it's called Grand Duchy of Lithuania and the capital is not Kyiv, but Vilnius, ruled by the Gidiminid dynasty at that time (Lithuanian). There was never a time in history where Kyiv ruled over Lithuania. He's a Harvard historian? Either a bad one or spinning the litvinism pseudohistory narrative, where the conquered, subordinate lands of Lithuanian state try to appropriate Lithuanian history as their own
@hercbos8704
7 ай бұрын
Can any of the Ukrainians explain to me why everyone across the border has labeled their restaurants ,bakery’s and grocery stores a”Russian...",. I have never seen a Ukrainian restaurant here in the US. At least here we have all the freedom to express ourselves as we want. For example we can take Serbian-Croatian relations, although they lived in “great love” in Yugoslavia, they knew very well who they were, from where they coming from and what language they spoke. I've never met a Ukrainian who speaks Ukrainian. If it was imposed on you in the Soviet Union, why didn't they teach children here in the US? By the way, other peoples from the USSR (Georgians, Armenians, Moldovans, peoples from the Caucasus) all speak their own languages and they strongly preserved their tradition and culture. I don't want to provoke anyone, I'm just presenting real facts
@ayadesign3316
7 ай бұрын
That's because of your American ignorance, as everything that has been coming from the former USSR was named 'russian'
@mickimerrie3812
7 ай бұрын
You're not presenting "real facts". You're presenting your experience and opinion. If you want to present facts you need to survey all Ukrainians in the US to determine languages spoken. In my experience, living in a city with a large Ukrainian population, many Ukrainians are bi or multi-lingual. I would never present this as a fact to refer to ALL Ukrainians because I have not spoken with every Ukrainian in the US.
@stefankurlak9556
7 ай бұрын
And in America you speak English does that mean that the USA belongs to England ?
@hercbos8704
7 ай бұрын
@@mickimerrie3812 in our local synagogue, I think 60% of people are from Odesa, one of the rabbis is from those regions and no one speaks Ukrainian. Even at funerals, when he addresses them, he speaks in Russian. This is mostly emigration that came to the US in the 80's.
@chriszenko3598
7 ай бұрын
NYC has a lot of Ukrainian restaurants
@gregoryb4727
27 күн бұрын
In regard to language differences between two, Serhii miserably fails to mention agressive ukranisation pushed by bolsheviks from 1920’s, during which Ukrainian language & culture were built from nearly ground zero. Of course, it is not gonna go well with today’s UA identity so he won’t tell you that.
@andresfelipeod6819
5 ай бұрын
actually the Actual Ucraine , founded in 1922 by Lenin. and taking the 1991-ucraine has the same territory , and peoples of the old Socialist Republic, it makes Vladimir Lenin the real Father of UCranian Nation. Just think of that, because this is the History of the REgion. Zarina Catherine the Great, colonize those lands, so She is the Mother of the proto-Ucranian peoples. or at Least the Black-Sea Coast peoples. But Lenin, Founded Ucraine, so Vladimir Lenin must be considered in Schools, as the Father of Ucranian Nation.
@infiction7651
5 ай бұрын
Can this guy just answer a damn question
@danilabezmenov3489
7 ай бұрын
Muscovites started to call their state Tsardom of Russia only in 16 century when they needed to come up with the reason to lay a claim on Kyiv lands. Many centuries before that vikings who were called Rus' established the post that grew into a capital (Kyiv) of Rus' state. There were no Ukrainians at that time and no Russians for sure, but tribes who occupied corresponding territories. Those tribes whom Rus' called slavs were conquered and then ruled by vikings. A few centuries after Kyiv was established and became a major city and a capital of Kyivan Rus' small town Moscow was taken by one of the many descendants of that ruling dynasty Ryuriks from some local prince and slowly grew into power. Duchy of Moscow thus was established way after Kyivan Rus' and became Tsardom of Russia even later. The people of Moscow lands were vyatichi and krivichy for the most part. Their descendants are called Russians nowadays (plus many of those living in the lands that Duchy of Moscow and later Tsardom of Russia conquered and retained). The descendants of people of the Kyivan Rus (plus all the territory of modern Ukraine) are calling themselves Ukrainians now. So yeah, Russia has little to do with Kyivan Rus' aside from some initial ruling dynasty. As for the argument that Rus' came from Novgorod and Novgorod is Russia, well it became Russia only after it was annexed by Ivan III in 15 century and added to Duchy of Moscow.
@maxwellhudson438
7 ай бұрын
Political Consolidation: Moscow had gradually consolidated its power over neighboring territories through a combination of diplomacy, military conquest, and strategic alliances. By the 16th century, Moscow had emerged as the dominant political force in the region, surpassing other principalities and cities such as Novgorod and Tver. Cultural and Religious Unity: Moscow played a crucial role in promoting Orthodox Christianity and Russian cultural identity. This religious and cultural unity served as a unifying factor among the various peoples inhabiting the territories under Moscow's control, helping to legitimize its claim to leadership over all Russian lands. Legal and Dynastic Claims: Moscow's rulers, particularly Ivan III and Ivan IV, pursued policies aimed at consolidating their legitimacy as rightful rulers of all Russian lands. This included efforts to legitimize their rule through marriage alliances, claims of descent from the ancient Rurikid dynasty that had ruled Kyivan Rus', and the acquisition of titles such as "Tsar of all Russia." Territorial Expansion: Moscow's territorial expansion, including the annexation of Novgorod, the conquest of Kazan and Astrakhan Khanates, and the gradual absorption of other principalities, contributed to the perception of Moscow as the natural center of political authority in the region. Support of the Orthodox Church: The Orthodox Church, particularly the Moscow Patriarchate, played a crucial role in legitimizing Moscow's claims to political authority. The Church often aligned itself with Moscow's rulers, portraying them as defenders of Orthodoxy and patrons of the Church's interests. The Moscovite claim to all of Russia wasn't completely unfounded, and the kyivan rus never was a distinct ukrainian or russian cultures but was a distinct groups that predated both cultures, earlier admixture.
@igorspie8241
7 ай бұрын
>Many centuries before that vikings who were called Rus' established the post that grew into a capital (Kyiv) of Rus' state me if I was telling fanfiction as a fact on the internet >The descendants of people of the Kyivan Rus (plus all the territory of modern Ukraine) are calling themselves Ukrainians now. yes, in its exact borders, very convenient. Despite the fact that largest part of modern Ukraine was Turkic-Iranian nomad steppe.
@danilabezmenov3489
7 ай бұрын
@@maxwellhudson438 , yes there were no Russian and Ukrainians during Kyivan Rus'. The people however were and are distinct in their cultures, attitudes and traditions and grew further apart in following centuries. Russia stayed tsardom ruled by monarch with huge power distance and very little ideas for rights, while what is now Ukraine was heavily influenced by a high degree of anarchy in steppes, kossaks movement, Lithuanian and Poland ideas of rights etc. The claim that Kyivan Rus' heritage belongs to Russia is ridiculous to me, given that it was Kyiv, Chernihiv and other cities in contemporary Ukraine that were the source for much of the intellectual development of Russia. Universities, book printing, clergy were for a very long time way more advanced in those cities than in Russia. And to a large degree stayed as such even under the Russian empire.
@danilabezmenov3489
7 ай бұрын
@@igorspie8241 , doesn't change the fact that what was Kyivan Rus' culture nurtured and was one of the influences that affected what is now Ukrainian culture through centuries of development of political, religious and cultural aspects. Russian culture is a very different beast branched from that long time ago that can only claim Kyivan Rus' heritage in terms that it stayed as brutal and bloodthirsty as any medieval state with poisoning and killing political opponents, waging massacres to assert dominance and a sheer disregard for human life both of other states and one's own. Still that gives no reasonable justification for the "collection of 'russian' lands" that Putin is trying to achieve.
@Ls151000
7 ай бұрын
There was no Muscovy, there were residents of the Grand Duchy of Moscow and residents of the principality. This can be seen on diplomatic documents. Thus, Rus' is a collection of principalities, which included Vladimir, which later separated Moscow. Kyiv and the Principality of Kiev lost their capital status after the feudal wars, then were destroyed by the Mongols and never recovered. The only survivors were the northeastern principalities, for which Moscow became the new center and capital.
@М.Столић
7 ай бұрын
He told us a simplified school history course. In fact, the story is much more complicated.
@Lessgo00
7 ай бұрын
Simplified but true
@seanp9277
7 ай бұрын
@@Lessgo00 Or mostly false by omission.
@Lessgo00
7 ай бұрын
@@seanp9277 Wanna debate?
@RoReAmerican
7 ай бұрын
C'mon. Let's not confuse the meanings of the words “Motherland” and “State”. Did a Ukrainian STATE ever exist before 1917?
@MrPhillip-o5m
7 ай бұрын
Did an American state exist before 1776? Does this mean that you are really British and the British have a clame to your land? After all you use their language.....
@MrCoconut212
7 ай бұрын
@@MrPhillip-o5m Very good point.
@ralphalf5897
7 ай бұрын
Borderlands
@sedativegaming7272
7 ай бұрын
So that’s a Ukrainian point of view
@topedgeboxing1893
7 ай бұрын
its not point of view its historical facts
@manichaean1888
7 ай бұрын
@@topedgeboxing1893Nope
@glebarhangelsky4351
7 ай бұрын
Its a bit more smoothe than official Ukrainian version, more intelligent way of lying.
@topedgeboxing1893
7 ай бұрын
@@glebarhangelsky4351 Give me an example what he lied about
@njswampfox474
7 ай бұрын
Lots of putin trolls and bots can't stand the truth.
@cosmopolitanbay9508
7 ай бұрын
Right, not too bad for the official Ukranian historical narrative. Yet, he completely omitted Novgorod as the first city of the Rus. Then comes Kiev, then comes Moscow/Vladimir. All three as separate capitals of Rus principalities. The reason why Kievan elite moved their power seat to Moscow was because the Mongols sacked and burnt down Kiev. As for the language ... he should have mentioned the Polish-Lithuanian rule. It is the only reason it sounds that different. It is Polish "rapped" Russian, spoken until recently, mainly in the Western parts of Ukraine. Polish rule was so bad that at some point Cossacks from the Zaporizhzhia region - seen by many as the some of the ancestors of modern Ukranains - asked the Russian tzar to include them into his empire.
@glebarhangelsky4351
7 ай бұрын
Corrections: 1. first Rurik's capital was Old Ladoga, before Novgorod, 2. Great Duchy first moved from Kiev to Vladimir, and only then to Moscow (with several Tver episodes).
@cosmopolitanbay9508
7 ай бұрын
@@glebarhangelsky4351 But it was called the principality of Vladimir, was it not ?
@glebarhangelsky4351
7 ай бұрын
@@cosmopolitanbay9508Yes, the Grand Duchy of Vladimir. Kyiv continued to be considered a Grand Duchy, although due to the Mongols it fell into complete decline. For example, here are the titles of Saint Alexander Nevsky: Prince of Novgorod 1228 - 1229 1236 - 1240 Grand Duke of Kyiv 1249 - 1263 Grand Duke Vladimir 1252 - 1263
@glebarhangelsky4351
7 ай бұрын
@@cosmopolitanbay9508"principality" probably better here then "grand duchy", however google gives both
@crashcr93
7 ай бұрын
How comes then that the stablishment of Kiev is recognised as 482 AD but the establishment of Novgorod is 859 AD ? almost 400 years later.
@maxm4972
7 ай бұрын
this interview serves nothing at this point... it does not justify or explain anything nor it builds any bridges nor it is relevant to current events
@desssval
7 ай бұрын
First mention of Moscow in historical records: 1147. Not as a major city, capital, kingdom, just a small border town….. First mention of Kievan Rus as a major power: 880.
@SCHMALLZZZ
5 ай бұрын
Yes, Kievan Rus used to be the seat of power before the mongols destoryed the southern Kievan Rus population centers.
@calripson
7 ай бұрын
The
@lonelyavatar
7 ай бұрын
Russia belongs to Ukraine. Slava Ukraine 🇺🇦 ♥️
@mickimerrie3812
7 ай бұрын
🤣🤣🤣🤣
@alexeykkk9557
7 ай бұрын
And it’s currently entering Ukraine to reunite.
@lonelyavatar
7 ай бұрын
@@alexeykkk9557 Slava Ukraine 🇺🇦
@alexeykkk9557
7 ай бұрын
@@lonelyavatar as a part of Russia, yes.
@lonelyavatar
7 ай бұрын
@alexeykkk9557 You're misinformed and deluded. Soon, you will also be defeated and held responsible for war crime atrocities. Slava Ukraine 🇺🇦
@izil1fe
7 ай бұрын
This guy is about as unbiased as Joe Biden's son when talking about whether Joe Biden is a good president.
@jarrodanderson2124
7 ай бұрын
MAGAt bro-bag has entered the chat. Welcome bro-bag
@SteveRoman66
7 ай бұрын
Yeah, I always laugh when people say Ukraine is part of Russia. It was never part of Russia. Started with Vikings, controlled by Poles, Prussians, Germans. Even under Soviets, Ukraine was a separate soviet republic, called UKSSR, never USSR. Ukraine is just in a bad spot on the map.
@AaSs-ln9mm
7 ай бұрын
Why are you so ignorant? Russia literally buy Kiev from Poland in 1686. Payed 4,5 tons of silver.
@jimstan1795
7 ай бұрын
Vikings than the poles? Are u fin stupid. U completely ignored like 600 to 700 years.
@markarmage3776
7 ай бұрын
Good, so you admitted that there's no such thing as Ukraine when they literally never gained any kind of independence and their people was conquered long, long ago. Buddy, you need to learn how to make up a beneficial fake history.
@joshuapaul2022
7 ай бұрын
Ukraine was created by Lenin. Bolsheviks also created Ukrainian language from Poltava rural dialect of Russian language. Almost all Ukrainian leaders speak Russian among themselves to avoid misunderstanding. Ukrainian soldiers when scared also speak their native Russian tounge. Ukrainian language doesn't have many terms and can't be used in professional life. Forced education in Ukrainian language just plummeted educational standards.
@Xerxesian
7 ай бұрын
educational standards are still above the muscovite ones.
@thefighterdoc.343
7 ай бұрын
😮
@Gunit867899
7 ай бұрын
What a load of garbage from braindead troll
@Mike-br8zt
7 ай бұрын
Mate, you really must keep taking your medicine as your mental illness sounds bad.
@hycylkaksenja3565
7 ай бұрын
🤣🤣🤣What about Eneida Poem by Ivan Kotliarevsky 1798?
@pavelrott311
7 ай бұрын
Bad Serge strikes again.
@reorioOrion
7 ай бұрын
1. Rus' is Russia. The Byzantine Empire (from which Rus' adopted Orthodoxy) called Rus - Rosia. (Русь - Росiа - Россия) It is for this reason that, after the adoption of Orthodoxy, over time, Rus' began to be called Russia. Specifically, this happened at the beginning of the 18th century when Peter 1, who bore the title “Sovereign, Tsar and Prince of All Rus'” (here we are talking about that same Rus', not Russia), took the title “Emperor and Autocrat of All Russia”. It was then that Rus' began to be called Russia. 2. The historian constantly avoids mentioning the name of the state, bringing to the fore the name of Kyiv. Kyiv is not a state. From the very beginning, Rus' united two principalities - the Principality of Novgorod and the Principality of Kiev. The state was not called "Kievan Rus", but simply - Rus (this can also be traced from the Byzantine source, which called Rus - Rosiya) “Kievan Rus” is a modern propaganda term, originally introduced into historical circulation with absolutely non-propaganda ideas in the 19th century by the Russian historian Solovyov. 3. The history of Russia is clearly formulated and described events of independence. It begins with an invitation to the board of Rurik. Continues in the Rurik dynasty until Ivan the Terrible and his son. Then the time of troubles comes and the history of Rus' continues in the Romanov dynasty chosen by the people, who made the Russian Empire out of Rus'. The history of modern Ukraine is a real venegrette of endless self-humiliation and ingratiation to the West and East in search of the most powerful defender. For example: In the history of Ukraine there is such a character as Hetman Mazepa. In Russian history, this is a traitor. In Ukrainian history this is a Hero. What is the problem? The fact is that at the beginning of the 17th century, the Zaporozhye Army (the unrecognized state of the Cossacks) voluntarily swore allegiance to the Russian Empire and became part of it. However, when Sweden attacked the Russian Empire, the Cossacks who had previously voluntarily entered the Russian Empire were divided into left and right banks (left and right banks of the Dnieper River) The Left Bank did not violate the oath to Russia and fought with it against Sweden. The Right Bank Cossacks broke their oath and swore allegiance to the King of Sweden. These Cossacks were led by Mazepa. Sweden and Mazepa lost. Mazepa fled shamefully. But in Ukraine, it is Mazepa who is a hero and part of Ukrainian history. And it is precisely from such examples of eternal betrayal, ingratiation between the West and the East, as well as outright lies that the history of Ukraine consists. The structure of the history of modern Ukraine is to betray, find a stronger master, and lose. And so on in a circle.
@greasher926
17 күн бұрын
Kievan Rus isn’t a propaganda tool, it’s a historical tool to help differentiate the medieval Rus from modern Russia, even though they never called their nation that, instead referring to themselves as rusĭskaę zemlę. Likewise there was no Byzantium, that was also a historical invention used by historians to differentiate classical/ancient Roman Empire from Medieval Roman Empire, even though they never stopped calling themselves Roman.
@JoBlogs-j3y
7 ай бұрын
A well balanced view of an emergence of Slavic civilisation. Chronology aside it is essential to recognise Byzantine's involvement in civilising the Slav ethnic group to allow for creation of civic basis, statehood and demarcation of it's perimeter. This being the impetus for the multiethnic Slavic group differentiation underpinned by filiopietism and linguistic propinquity.
@ivantrom5879
7 ай бұрын
Кучу раз слышал, что в английском языке слово рабы произошло от слова славяне. И вот смотрю это видео и читаю субтитры перевода, где вместо славяне пишется рабы
@MrCoconut212
7 ай бұрын
learn English
@BERENCEV
7 ай бұрын
How come such old, profound, educated Nation has no World known writers, composers, cinema directors, scientists?! The most known intellectuals/philosophers of nowadays Ukraine mostly speak Russian. All major achievements of Ukraine comes from late Soviet Era. Don’t get me wrong, I’m against Russian Z aggression of Ukraine, and I don’t want a return of USSR, no way. But I’m against these new historical narratives that is being created today that is some form of propaganda.
@alexanderkrickovic
27 күн бұрын
This guy is a fool
@altchanel9693
7 ай бұрын
T T T Today junior
@annav6318
7 ай бұрын
Finaly, well explained to stop spreading russian usual lies
@matts8398
7 ай бұрын
One correction: the world Belarusian is pronounced Beh-lah-roo-si-en, not "Bela-rushn". The origin of this word has nothing to do with Russia, only with Rus'.
@ngs960
7 ай бұрын
Its great to hear truth finally. Thank you
@dragon2695
7 ай бұрын
Soo Russians are Mongolian and Ukrainians are Russ?😊 We all know what origins are Australians. Is this new history?
@brankojovanovic1676
7 ай бұрын
The title should be: Ukranian Historian explains...
@eddieleon9608
7 ай бұрын
RUSSIAN AND UKRANIAN ARE VERY SIMILAR. This historians take on the differences between Russian and Ukrainian is quite wrong. I myself am Belarusian, and I speak Russian. The other day I read a whole article in a Ukrainian Newspaper (written in Ukrainian) and read the whole thing without any issue (though a bit slower that normally). This I cannot do in a Polish or Check newspaper for example.
@Qba86
7 ай бұрын
But was that because of your knowledge of Belorussian or Russian? I'd guess the former.
@eddieleon9608
7 ай бұрын
@@Qba86Unfortunately because of Russian imperialism I only speak Russian.
@РулонОбоев-н9ъ
7 ай бұрын
@@eddieleon9608 Why unfortunate, let's be honest: are there many significant scientific or cultural works written on Ukrainian or Belarusian through history? ~95% of meaningful things in Eastern Europe are on Russian or Polish.
@greasher926
17 күн бұрын
You would be able to read Polish pretty easily if it were written in Cyrillic. Lord’s Prayer in Polish written in Cyrillic. Ойчэ наш, ктурысь ест в небе, сьвенць се Име Твое, пшыйдзь Крулество Твое, боньдзь воля Твоя, яко в небе так и на земи. Хлеба нашэго повшэднего дай нам дзисяй. И одпусьць нам нашэ вины, яко и мы одпушчамы нашым виновайцом. И не вудзь нас на покушэне, але нас збав одэ злэго. Амэн.
@sergeytsvetanov
7 ай бұрын
History is not a science, However, there are historical facts nobody can deny. 1. Kyiv was established as an Important trade settlement in the Khazar state. 2. Kyiv was burned by Mongols in 1240. 3. Kyiv Rus was an orthodox state. 4. Lithuanians (Catholics) captured Kyiv's area around 1399. 5. Kyiv became Russian again in 1654. 😀
@jhargh12234
7 ай бұрын
Identity Russian didn't even exist when Kiev was formed. It couldn't become Russian again in 1654 because it was never Russian in the first place. We can't talk about Russia as a state or nationality at such an early period (9-14 centuries).
@owenskel4804
7 ай бұрын
Aborigines first colonised Ukraine 40,000 bc
@sergeytsvetanov
7 ай бұрын
@@jhargh12234What is your point? How this is connected with what I said?
@jhargh12234
7 ай бұрын
@@sergeytsvetanov It's connected with 5th point from your original post. It's just formed in false way. Kiev couldn't become Russian "again", because it never was Russian before that.
@sergeytsvetanov
7 ай бұрын
@@jhargh12234But you are wrong. Russian state was continuous from 800 AD until present. The Kiev Rus fractured in several principalities with same religion and same head of the church existed until 1200 AD. The dynasty which establish Kyiv Rus ended with with the dead of Ivan 16 century. In history of Egypt there are several kingdoms old, middle and new with gaps of several centuries between and it is the same kingdom. There are many examples similar to this including Serbia, Bulgaria, Greeks, Poland
@manichaean1888
7 ай бұрын
I was of better opinion about Lex, before he invited this propagandist of Ukrainian Nationalism on his channel.
@jhargh12234
7 ай бұрын
But you were fine when he invited propagandists like Tucker and Mearscheimer? People have rights to hear all sides of the story.
@glebarhangelsky4351
7 ай бұрын
The same thoughts. Could have invited one Ukrainian and one Russian historian, coukd have nice discussion. Here is only Ukrainian propaganda. Not the usual Lex' level.
@mitkodimitrov8396
7 ай бұрын
hmm Bulgaria is birthplace of slavic alfabet,clergy,old church slavonic is bulgarian and literature and after Basil the Bulgarslayer is spread in Kievan rus and other slavic peoples is not get from Byzantium,even we are maybe mix between all tribes lived around Black see-hunnic,scytho-sarmatian,goth,thracians and slavic,but truth is a truth,and even by DNA ukrainians will be close to Balkan peoples than the russians i thing,what DNA say?
@Michael-vp9gs
7 ай бұрын
Who made Kyiv.... Kyiv? The Vikings. Who made Moscow... Moscow? The Mongolians.
@somedude0923
7 ай бұрын
Dude is in serious denial 😂
@glebarhangelsky4351
7 ай бұрын
No, he's just Ukrainian. Fun fact: they write reports and accounts on the US and European aid just the same way
@Grom0zeka
7 ай бұрын
Did he mentioned Ukrainians dug the Black sea?
@bonjour_hi
7 ай бұрын
Important to mention Russia stole term “rus” , in order to rebrand empire name . Russia always wanted to erase real history and acquire Kyiv Rus history . Glory to Ukraine 🇺🇦!!!
@mikhailtrokhinin1168
7 ай бұрын
This cloun starts alternate history. Sick imagination of ill mind. Smels like Overtone Windows are about to open.
@SteveRoman66
7 ай бұрын
A clown's mind is meaningless... just like your statement. Can you elaborate? What is incorrect? When you put people down, please back it up with facts so we can learn, Thanks.
@Random_characters_username
7 ай бұрын
But does Ukraine borders make sense for a country that grew to that size un organically what is a true Ukraine borders and why do they include historically Russian cities
@Hamzat22
7 ай бұрын
You are walking on thin ice. The most unorganic borders are in Russia;)
@Jolly_Rodger
7 ай бұрын
I think you’re right and future Ukraine, if Ukraine has any future, will not include Russian cities like: Kharkov, Odessa, Nikolaev and some others.
@Random_characters_username
7 ай бұрын
@@Hamzat22 I mean Russia achieved their borders throughout hundreds of years of exploration eastward and blood, Ukraine somehow ended up with Crimea like it was ever a naval power and Odessa as if Catherine the Great was a Ukrainian queen.
@onni5302
7 ай бұрын
@@Random_characters_usernameso you think winning a war is enough of a excuse to bend foreign people to your will?
@needaneym1932
7 ай бұрын
for more than 20 years those borders had no problems, no protests no nothing, until russia sent the army disguised as separatists, led by Igor Girkin and other FSB and regular army soldiers and officers so whats unorganic? ukraine's borders? or the country that before invading ukraine invaded more than 5 times other neighboring countries?
@miguelfidel1630
7 ай бұрын
origin of slavic people is the modern eastern germany
@zoricca1
7 ай бұрын
This interview is blurred by Lex's bias toward the Ukraine war theatre, trying to justify the impossible and to reduce the subject to only russian aggression, without any prerequisites (peace talks and efforts of the russian side to pacify this horror)...And what about this guy, who teaches at MIT and uses word "peopleS", the whole time throughout the interview? It tells a whole lot about MIT, doesn't it?... C'mon Lex, try harder to find someone more objective... or try and organize a debate.. cause history is not math...as much as you mathematicians would like to reduce it on pure evidence, it's impossible. there is always a context, preset, and emotions, a chance...something intangible...not measurable
@cosmopolitanbay9508
7 ай бұрын
A number of people try very hard to convince everyone that the old Rus states (Kiev, Novgorod and Moscow) have little to no connection to the later Russia of the 18th century. Yet, as the name, language, culture and religion show, the connection is clear, and very much alive in 2024. The old Rus simply evolved into Russia.
@radionashholos
7 ай бұрын
🤣🤣🤣
@glebarhangelsky4351
7 ай бұрын
I as modern Russian can rather easily read Russian ancient manuscripts like Ostromirovo Gospel. Fun fact - not a single Ukrainian word there. Why? because "Ukrainian" is actually pigin-Polish.
@kyrylovdm
7 ай бұрын
@@glebarhangelsky4351fake. Those texts has as much more in common with Ukrainian then it is with Russian. Take only letters “i” and “є», which don’t exist in modern moskovian. So don’t spread disinformation
@Hartofilax
7 ай бұрын
Slavic literature begining in Kiev? What the f is this bullshit???
@lgnfve
7 ай бұрын
Kyiv was first and is the heart of Ukraine. He kinda buried the lead.
@eddievangundy4510
7 ай бұрын
Apparently Novagrodd was before kiev.
@levankhocholava7726
7 ай бұрын
Imagine believing this guys historical honesty, when he said later in this interview that he do not think Zelensky was taking orders from USA. Luul
@ninmar1ss
7 ай бұрын
It will be good to write about the American impair
@jhargh12234
7 ай бұрын
There are many books about that, just google American empire.
@mladenmatosevic4591
7 ай бұрын
Sonce Nationalism was sold as most important ideilogy, wr have seen that most of Europe was reduced to ethnic micro states and migrant workers within EU use English as common language.
@serkankarapinar8353
7 ай бұрын
He just compared Ukrainian-Russian language to the language Americans Australians speak 😁
@Qba86
7 ай бұрын
No. He literally said that as an example of how language isn't the only thing that matters, because while Americans and Australians speak the same language, they are two different nations. Ukranian is not only a different language than Russian. In terms of vocabulary and mutual inteligibilty it is actually closer to Western Slavic languages than it is to Russian (even though by other metrics it is clearly an Eastern Slavic language).
@serkankarapinar8353
7 ай бұрын
@@Qba86 yes, he compared relationship of both countries with English.
@greasher926
17 күн бұрын
A much better analogy for Russian and Ukrainian language is English and Scots (not Scottish English, nor Scottish Gaelic). Scots is a separate sister language of English that still has some mutual intelligibility with, unlike the other germanic languages on the mainland.
@sirgaythecatch7208
7 ай бұрын
Plokhy плохой means bad in Russian… you need to find someone better than that…
@l.oleksandr
7 ай бұрын
Это где в русском есть слово плохий врунишка ?
@sirgaythecatch7208
7 ай бұрын
@@l.oleksandr плохи твои дела! Совсем плохи!
@romannazarkevych5763
7 ай бұрын
He is saying true
@sirgaythecatch7208
7 ай бұрын
Admitting he wasn’t an expert in linguistics or genetics he went on saying the origins of Slavs coming from palesse, where I come from… and yet Buddha means an awakened one from the verb будить - to awaken, asana from осанка, and the Vedas from the verb ведаць… Gautama is a contemporary of socrat, and the Vedas are the oldest of anything ever written…
@Dmytro-kt3fr
7 ай бұрын
о, фанат Задорнова вылез. Еще про радугу расскажи
@sirgaythecatch7208
7 ай бұрын
@@Dmytro-kt3fr это, скорее, будет бисером перед свиньей, но попробую: Апелляция к личности (лат. argumentum ad hominem - «аргумент к человеку») - логическая ошибка, при которой аргумент опровергается указанием на характер, мотив или другой атрибут лица, приводящего аргумент, или лица, связанного с аргументом, вместо указания на несостоятельность самого аргумента, объективные факты или логические рассуждения.
@sirgaythecatch7208
7 ай бұрын
@@Dmytro-kt3fr индиец о своих впечатлениях о Москве: Когда я был в Москве, в гостинице мне дали ключи от комнаты 234 и сказали «dwesti tridtsat chetire». В недоумении я не мог понять, стою ли я перед милой девушкой в Москве или нахожусь в Бенаресе или Удджайне в наш классический период где-то 2000 лет назад. На санкрите 234 будет «dwsshata tridasha chatwari». Возможно ли где-нибудь большее сходство? вряд ли найдется ещё два различных языка, сохранивших древнее наследие - столь близкое произношение - до наших дней. Мне довелось посетить деревню Качалове, около 25 км от Москвы, и быть приглашенным на обед в русскую крестьянскую семью. Пожилая женщина представила мне молодую чету, сказав по-русски: «On moy seen i ona moya snokha». Как бы я хотел, чтобы Панини(19), великий индийский грамматист, живший около 2600 лет назад, мог бы быть здесь со мной и слышать язык своего времени, столь чудесно сохраненный со всеми мельчайшими тонкостями! Русское слово «seen» и «soonu» в санскрите. Также «madiy» - это «son» в санскрите может быть сравнено с «mоу» русского языка и «mу» английского. Но только в русском и санкрите «mоу» и «madiy» должны измениться в «mоуа» и «madiya», так как речь идет о слове «snokha», относящемся к женскому роду. Русское слово «snokha» - это санскритское «snukha», которое может быть произнесено так же, как и в русском. Отношения между сыном и женой сына также описываются похожими словами двух языков. Вот другое русское выражение: «То vash dom, etot nash dom». На санскрите: «Tat vas dham, etat nas dham». «Tot» или «tat» - это указательное местоимение единственного числа в обоих языках и указывает на объект со стороны. Санскритское «dham» - это русское «dom» возможно, в силу того, что в русском отсутствует придыхательное «h».
@sirgaythecatch7208
7 ай бұрын
@@Dmytro-kt3fr посмотрел, кто такой задорный… у него нет лингвистического образования: Два года учился в Рижском политехническом институте. Увлёкшись рассказом студента МАИ[31], перевёлся с потерей курса на факультет «Двигатели летательных аппаратов» Московского авиационного института по специальности инженер-механик. Из-за режима секретности в названии специальности отсутствует космическая тематика, но Задорнов изучал двигатели космических аппаратов[31]. МАИ окончил в 1974 году. В 1974-1978 годах работал в том же институте на кафедре «Авиационно-космическая теплотехника» инженером, затем ведущим инженером.
@Dmytro-kt3fr
7 ай бұрын
@@sirgaythecatch7208 дядь, ты адекватный? каким боком ты индо-арийцев лепишь к славянам через совпадения в фонетике и семантике
@jimmyjames2621
7 ай бұрын
With all due respect, no "Slavs" did not pop up or appear out of nowhere in NW Yukrayn. Good grief, how silly. It's beyond obvious that Slavs were slaves of other peoples, and these peoples came from the East, thus they were Aesirians, aka Asians, and the descendants of Lake Baikal/Siberian-Mongolese.
@aokiji655
5 ай бұрын
american education strikes again. nothing you said has an ounce of truth to it.
@jimmyjames2621
5 ай бұрын
@@aokiji655 wait, let me guess, you think slavs sprung from the ground, like Adam.
@markwawrinchuk1816
7 ай бұрын
Very poor history lesson. Watch Putins Tucker interview. That description is very accurate. This guys trying to change history lol!!!
@radionashholos
7 ай бұрын
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
@sirgaythecatch7208
7 ай бұрын
the british are vagrants, both celts and anglosaxons… and the word London can only be explained in slavonic languages: a place on the river that can only be reached by swimming: вплавь The etymology of this *Lōondonjon would however lie in pre-Celtic Old European hydronymy, from a hydronym *Plowonida, which would have been applied to the Thames where it becomes too wide to ford, in the vicinity of London. The name of the river itself would be derived from the Indo-European roots *plew- "to flow, swim; boat" and *nejd- "to flow", found in various river names around Europe. what unites the British, Americans, Canadians, New Zealanders and Australians is that they don’t belong to those lands…
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