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@germanfidalgo4290
2 жыл бұрын
please make a video about McMurtry Speirling car. it seems a total radical concept.
@yassin268
2 жыл бұрын
Hey, love the video! What do you think about the possibility of a flexing plank and the performance impact of taking that away?
@pedrocharafeddine
2 жыл бұрын
Mercedes new floor please
@Austen.10
Жыл бұрын
When is the updated video after this years Monaco gp?
@rroberts2023
10 ай бұрын
You need to make a video on where teams will go in this area for 2024 cars.
@thesuit4820
2 жыл бұрын
Could you do a 101-style video on vorticity? I get lift, drag, pressure, separation etc from my undergrad days, but vortices and what they're used for I've never quite wrapped my head around.
@ASJC27
2 жыл бұрын
If you're interested in the theoretical basics of it, the famous late Prof. Ascher Shapiro of MIT has a two part overview lecture of vorticity including demonstrations. It is fantastic. Available on youtube in potato quality, or on MIT's site in good quality. Search for Shapiro vorticity and go to the MIT link if you're interested.
@reiniernn9071
2 жыл бұрын
@@ASJC27 I appreciate this aerodynamic part of the F1 sport since my son was involved in the aero part for developing a "sunny" racer (wordl solar challenge Australia) . If that professoer is so good.......WHY did I nearly never see topresults from MIT solar cars during the WSC? But do claim mostly the dutch solar cars and from Japan the best results? With sometimes also from Belgium a good result. From the usa universities the best scoring is more often Michigan university. And sometimes Stanford.
@davidaugustofc2574
Жыл бұрын
@@reiniernn9071 MIT and actually engineering stuff don't seem to go hand in hand. They joined the FSAE party only when the electric competition was opened and completely disregarded the engineers development part of the competition before that as well.
@Woody991
Жыл бұрын
Well essentially, imagine a layer of stationary air under the car. That would provide zero downforce. If that layer of air just remained the same nothing would change. The force can be created by pressure difference eg. on an aerofoil. But another way is suction. So now imagine the stationary car with zero air underneath it. Essentially a vacuum. Imagine how much that vacuum would be sucking the car to the floor. The vortices are effectively somewhere between the two. So you create somewhat of a vacuum effect wherever the vortices are. This produces a suction effect which translates into downforce.
@tonyb9735
Жыл бұрын
@@reiniernn9071 "If that professoer is so good......." He's been recommended as a teacher. He doesn't have to be the best engineer in order to be a great teacher.
@alextjb
2 жыл бұрын
To me the Red Bull floor looks so much more advanced than the others we have seen. They are doing so many unique things. All the other teams under floors that have been seen so far look almost generic but Red Bull have some great sculpting. You can really see how the outer two barge board strakes work in this picture. And in the rear how they are minimizing porposing.
@mtlfpv
2 жыл бұрын
I bet the people who kept telling us that red bull focused too hard on 2021 are feeling pretty silly now.
@guanweihe7614
2 жыл бұрын
@@mtlfpv same people that said RedBull would struggle because of the title fight, but Merc somehow were gonna be 1st anyways
@eck0hcobra15
2 жыл бұрын
💪🪑🐒
@leomc1118
2 жыл бұрын
how are they minimizing porpoising in the rear?
@0megalul309
2 жыл бұрын
@@mtlfpv monke moment
@lukeearthcrawler896
2 жыл бұрын
AMR engineers: "Write this down! Write this down!"
@ixifutureproof9286
2 жыл бұрын
It's funny, I imagined them in the board room with this video on a big TV and paper and crayons all over the place 🤓
@briannam1082
2 жыл бұрын
Plays tic tac toe
@SHANTUBE786
Жыл бұрын
Boy, this aged well 😂
@lukeearthcrawler896
Жыл бұрын
@@SHANTUBE786 Nailed it! :D
@HolyNorthAmericanEmpire
Жыл бұрын
Lmao
@HKSTurboBRZ
2 жыл бұрын
Kyle you’re amazing. These breakdowns make me appreciate F1 so much more. I’m sure other teams are benefiting greatly from seeing these photos and studying them just like you. However you verbalize it for us. Thank you
@ShionShinigami
2 жыл бұрын
Exactly the kind of video I need at 5:00 AM.
@sharg0
2 жыл бұрын
Not the best to my sleep though :-)
@JulesBrunoJjBaggy
2 жыл бұрын
8pm on the bestside 🌜😎🐻
@minigator2
2 жыл бұрын
Perfectly
@ixifutureproof9286
2 жыл бұрын
Same here. If my body can't be arsed to sleep anymore, I'm watching aerodynamic vids on KZitem!
@walter1824
2 жыл бұрын
You don`t need sleep, you need answers
@georgekerr8804
2 жыл бұрын
Fascinating, I need to watch it a few more times for understanding. I made underbody molds and attached vortex generators for Nissan GTP and Toyota (AAR) Champ Cars in the 90s. I only had limited knowledge then, but it was always interesting.
@millerchassis6119
2 жыл бұрын
Did you work on The electromotive Nissan’s?
@soraaoixxthebluesky
2 жыл бұрын
Kyle you're doing AMR a favor. They got the topside and now the underside. Lol jk.
@_bstr_ct1832
2 жыл бұрын
The picture shown at 18:00 shows a very interesting angle on the floor edge wing “skate” too and how red bull have designed it to interact with the folds and cutouts
@Sumphuka
Жыл бұрын
Horner will be spitting! Would be good to get a side by side comparison, see how advanced this is over the competition.
@beemrmem3
2 жыл бұрын
The RB underfloor looks alien almost. Fascinating
@samiraperi467
Жыл бұрын
And here we are a year later, RB underbody exposed again. Waiting for an update to this. :D
@BlueCollar80
Жыл бұрын
When another video Said that ground effect in f1 was like upside down aircraft wing, this isn't what I imagine
@jesperzeng
2 жыл бұрын
It feels like I am watching something illegal... And I shouldn't be watching this, and you shouldn't be making this. But OMG I am loving it!
@mfpresident8150
2 жыл бұрын
Mercedes needs you back asap
@jozsefizsak
2 жыл бұрын
Thank you. I appreciate that you don't pretend to be absolutely certain about what's going on with these cars since you don't have the team's data. People who believe their educated guesses to essentially be facts are not good educators but you are..
@GreatistheWorld
2 жыл бұрын
As a bonus, it’s also a window into how much information working F1 aerodynamicists can derive from the same pictures
@TheLPN05Fan
2 жыл бұрын
Finally I get a full picture of these Cars. A Model in my head I can work with. Interesting to see Red Bull having so many flow energising parts on their flor but still are the quickest on the Straights. I bet Aston Martin made big eyes when seeing these pictures. Though I have to say, seeing such sofistication so early kinda concerns me with future improvability of the Design, seen as they aren't near dominance like Mercedes was. It gives me hope for Ferrari.
@AnarchistMetalhead
2 жыл бұрын
throughout their dominance Mercedes were the most complex in many areas, but without as many individual genius ideas sometimes just being ahead on the areas everyone is working on can work, i"m not too worried about Red Bull but true that Ferrari could jump ahead seeing the Red Bull ideas.
@chrislundin2943
2 жыл бұрын
Awesome video. This is exactly the reason I'm a fan of F1. The cutting edge engineering is fascinating. Thank you for all your superb aerodynamic analysis videos. They really help me think through what's happening with the airflow. Great job!
@964cuplove
Жыл бұрын
Time for an update after Monaco 2023
@prgnify
2 жыл бұрын
Kyle, absolutely brilliant video, as always. Thank you. A question; couldn't the 'ice skates' be serving the purpose of walling off some ait through its vorticity? You mentioned something similar, and I might be misreading the angles, but to me it looks like it could actually block some of the messy air from the floor cut outs, pushing it to the wheel, while allowing lower frequency smoother vortices to keep on towards the rear of the underfloor. And just to point, I know your target demographic is not the general public, but tbh even I at some points in this one lost a bit of my sense of direction while you rotated and moved your models around - when we are agents of the movement it is always smooth and easy to follow, but if other person is rotating the model, the lack of reference can be disorienting. I have no idea how to make it more accessible, but maybe you could investigate it?
@charleslesther3043
2 жыл бұрын
I think that even doing the exact same movements but at half speed would work.
@moonstarproductions9597
2 жыл бұрын
Merc and Ferrari engineers obviously appreciating this…
@GonzoDonzo
2 жыл бұрын
I love how organic the design looks. Its interesting to have seen this evolution in aerodynamics design that started with inspiration from nature and were now able to mimic and exceed the beauty nature provides
@sepg5084
2 жыл бұрын
Organic?
@eronsebastianermino9989
2 жыл бұрын
Since you worked for mercedes from 2018 to 2020 I went back to mercedes amg video for celebrating their 2019 WCC and when celebrating outside the brackley factory, I saw you behind Bottas, so cool
@ltitus8900
2 жыл бұрын
To think that merc could potentially have a faster car than this once they fix their porpoising is MADNESS. This car is a work of art and another Newey masterpiece. If merc will really be faster, they deserve to win the championship period
@eshbach
2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for another great analysis, Kyle!
@fubiao9149
2 жыл бұрын
in principle this could be measured in a wind tunnel, right? however the design of it... hell hard, there are so many parameters/things to model... how about the drag?
@DS-md7mz
2 жыл бұрын
Because Adrian Newey, that's why. GOAT aero master!!
@handlessuckass
Жыл бұрын
So much detail. I wonder how many teams would use these videos in a briefing for their aero departments.
@trackworthyswaps7921
2 жыл бұрын
Curious if you have any good reading material advice on tunnels vs. pure flat bottom or just tunnel development in general on a 100% track car. Redoing almost all the aero on my car and playing with the idea of developing a tunnel to improve ground effect and downforce over the flatbottom I am currently running.
@wiegraf9009
Жыл бұрын
Check out Julian Edgar's channel, he has tons of useful advice on aero optimizing your car
@user-zz6iv2ou6f
2 жыл бұрын
This is fascinating. Appreciate the technical analysis!
@fredherfst8148
Жыл бұрын
Enjoyed that. It's about creating and managing vortices. And Newey
@jhope1923
2 жыл бұрын
It’s funny. On the F1 podcast earlier this season, Pat Fry was talking about the 22 Rules and said some something to the extent of “the rules are written on a way that allows a wing under the floor. Why you’d want that, who knows?” Well…
@faulypi
Жыл бұрын
This is so much more complex than the new Merc or Ferrari.
@gustavoehler
Жыл бұрын
One thing I can´t get my head around is the fact that, at least it looks like, only air passing through between the inner strakes is fed to the middle of the floor and to the diffuser, whereas the rest of the air is being outwashed to the side of the car to help seal the floor. That being said, it seems that the intake area of the air that is fed to the floor is actually smaller than the middle section of the floor, how does the air gain velocity then?
@zandvoort8616
Жыл бұрын
The FIA need to revert back to flat floors and no beam wings. These aerodynamics are immensely complex and only Newey can understand them.
@parmvirvirk8959
Жыл бұрын
Just goes to show the insider knowledge Newey retained from the previous ground effect era and what incredible detail they've put into action. Almost like a bird from underneath with it's wings being the modelling for venturi tunnels as that's what gives them the best aero gliding skills.
@wiegraf9009
Жыл бұрын
Bird wings are made to generate lift though right? Isn't this the opposite?
@Real28
Жыл бұрын
When they said they going to make the move to underbody down force, I told my dad "just watch. Newey was around for that era, I'm sure he's got a bunch of prior knowledge and combined with all of the aero talent / computational power available, they'll get the optimal design first" And here we are, RB floor looks like 21st century design and everyone else is still in the 20th century.
@havanaloch
2 жыл бұрын
Great video as always. Could anyone go into detail as to why having this vorticity through the under-tray and diffuser is beneficial?
@oonmm
2 жыл бұрын
Oh, that's a good question! It's all about the Von Neumann effect interacting with the law of turbulent air force retardatio. Plug the radius of the generated vortex in as theta, and calculate the median (some argue that the mean is better, so I suggest you try both and make up your own opinion about that) outward force of the air molecules (correct for any CO2 levels though) to plug in as omega. Then solve for the acceleration (per second/per second) instead of just doing the formula as is. Now convert back to 3 dimensions again and project the topology onto 2D space. You can find both formulas on Wikipedia if you're not familiar with them.
@oonmm
2 жыл бұрын
Just to be clear, the areas of the resulting 2D projection will be the local maximums of efficiency. Fun fact: You can actually read the results and compare using only the 3D topology, if you're good at it (or rather used to that kind of data)!
@havanaloch
2 жыл бұрын
@@oonmm thanks so much ill have a look into that :)
@Andrew-vx2ls
2 жыл бұрын
Kyle, very interesting as always. Perhaps I have missed it, but it would be interesting to understand the upkicks on the front suspension that seem to lead into the double bargeboard. And how does the double bargeboard work ? Does it load up the sides of the car at speed to help achieve variable sealing (ie reverse effect of the M-B stays as the rules do not rule out body work movement, just wing movement?).
@case0fmundays
2 жыл бұрын
I like to watch your videos and pretend I know what you're talking about.
@Bearcat299
2 жыл бұрын
Very interesting video! Thank you. By the way,I also heard that the Ice skate device can work as physical limit to porpoising as when it touches the ground the car can't go further down, do you think those devices can be resistant enough ?
@andrecarrato6359
2 жыл бұрын
Do this kinda video with every "leaked" floor pic, plz
@maximme
Жыл бұрын
You REALLY know your stuff. Well Done.
@maximme
Жыл бұрын
btw Are you using a Pen tablet for your drawings ? Get one if you are just using mouse. Its pretty cheap and you get straight lines easily.
@joereality1664
2 жыл бұрын
Aston Martin furiously taking notes
@mherkhanoyan1200
2 жыл бұрын
Love how “organic” the floor looks
@priyesh8014
5 ай бұрын
Toto wants to know your location 💀
@artysanmobile
2 жыл бұрын
Watching this, it’s easy to see why Ferrari sends a whole emergency team of ‘shrouders’ to every instance of lifting their cars. RB just gave away a few months of secrets with this single lift.
@pianostool44
2 жыл бұрын
But i guess F1 development moves so fast that by the time anyone could copy this, they would already have an upgrade fitted.
@blue-tb6uv
2 жыл бұрын
Could you do one video on where mercedes messed it up so bad this year ?
@aidenbakker3332
2 жыл бұрын
no way i have been taking so much information that has helped create one of the most successful race cars of all time
@hopefultraveller1
2 жыл бұрын
Excellent professional analysis - all the vorticity reminds me of how the dragonfly's angular wing is actually more effective because of the vorticity it generates, which is counter-intuitive to traditional models of smooth surface lift.
@buca512boxer
Жыл бұрын
What I'm seeing is that the floor is asymmetrical, quite remarkable! Thus, its probably circuit dependant, thus, circuit changing!! Newey = genius!! Dan fallows will probably be the first to properly adapt am's floor to the rb's.
@timransby1774
2 жыл бұрын
Another great vid … thanks If I could make one observation… it’s difficult to see what you’re talking about with the legality boxes when you move the mouse around and change the focus of what’s being pointed to so rapidly
@k3corvette35
Жыл бұрын
WTF Checo giving away all RedBull's advantages by crashing out of Q1 in Monaco !!! But what is totally baffling is WHY did the marshals have to raise all the cars thst wrecked so high ? Seriously they had to be 50' to 60' in the air to get over a 4' high wall !! Guess it is the FIA's way of leveling the playing field for all the teams by showing RedBull's, Merc's, and Ferrari's floors to everyone as much as they could and for as long as they could !! Total BULLSHIT if you ask me ! The teams should be furious about it IMO !!!
@burger1g
2 жыл бұрын
11/10, would like, comment, subscibe again
@doctor_who1
2 жыл бұрын
hi newer cars have wider tyres, and sporty cars have wheels (tyres) that require wider fenders and the wheels themselves stick out more to match the width of the fenders (vs cheap cars the wheels are tucked in). how do these 3 factors affect aero? - wide tyres, tyres narrower than rim, wide fenders, tyres tucked inside vs pushed out wide (not wider than fender). thanks (assuming no aero to deflect all air away, ie the underbody and side air is strong ...)
@carlfrye1566
Жыл бұрын
Question, should FIA mandate a cover be attachd to car underbody when put on a crane to protect teams proprietary info, especially ground effect info? Flat floors were no big deal but underfloor is a vital part of ge design and seeing this can save teams a lot of $$ in R & D. Save the RB hate, any F1 fan should think this way.
@bertjilk3456
2 жыл бұрын
See the same underfloor on an Aston Martin near you soon 🤣
@jesselees7258
2 жыл бұрын
Exellent work Kyle, I love your videos mate. The aero is maybe my favourite aspect of F1, so your videos are incredible
@UmbraKamui
2 жыл бұрын
Now if only we could get a good high res of the Merc floor, love your break downs on the aero and legality.
@christopherknee5756
2 жыл бұрын
Plot twist: RB knew this was going to happen and hence used a totally different crappy floor for this car. All your "analysis" work/spying that you are going to feed back to Mercedes is for naught! Ha Ha!
@Lanse1984
Жыл бұрын
This thing is so complex that copying it from 2D photos will be nearly impossible let alone try to understand it. I am also positive that Checo is officially on Redbull's shitlist.
@robertvanzant2653
Жыл бұрын
Best part of this is nobody really knows what’s going on lol , it’s a package not just a floor . Copy as you will Mercedes, won’t make a difference
@emerckx53
10 ай бұрын
Awesome tech video. I believe I know the answer but did this video potentially show Mercedes engineers anything they didn't know about the RB floor? Also seems to me once the they see these photos it should be much easier to simply copy? Or is this testimony to having to match the aero of the rest of the car?
@carcrazyguysa4059
2 жыл бұрын
Aston Martin be like Ctrl C > Ctrl V😄
@MuhammadNiz007
Жыл бұрын
Wow 11 points ago this had happened I didn't even remember this
@Monstero5o
2 жыл бұрын
Do you have your own shop? im Located in Australia QLD, and looking for custom work for a time attack car.
@artysanmobile
2 жыл бұрын
Assuming every shape in this incredibly complex floor has a purpose, I’m blown away at what they managed to develop with limited tunnel time. Watching the Red Bulls on track, it’s obvious they nailed more than even the giant Mercedes in floor development. Speaking of limits, what is the tunnel time limit all teams are subjected to for new car development?
@wiegraf9009
Жыл бұрын
Limited wind tunnel time but remember Newey got to workshop all kinds of aero ideas on his side projects prior to this, including ground effect.
@timoooo7320
Жыл бұрын
Will you do another video like this after Perez crashed again in Monaco 2023? 😂
@muhdammar3195
3 ай бұрын
can i ask, underbody diffuser cover around which area ?? airflow tunnel such as venturi effect does it cover
@benjaminkitchen7562
Жыл бұрын
Is it possible these unique ideal shapes could be discovered by AI the way protein folding is researched?
@Repvez1
Жыл бұрын
is it possible to download the legality box CAD model? Or can we find somewhere it?
@acelectricalsecurity
Жыл бұрын
I would have loved to have seen Horner's face when that floor was exposed to the worlds TV cameras 😂😂
@mr.bouncyeyes8754
Жыл бұрын
What if RedBull ran a bad floor in Monaco just to pull a fast one on the teams looking at their floor that’d be funny
@etcarief
2 жыл бұрын
Mercedes watching your video be like : hmm yes , yes , write that down
@andresilvasophisma
Жыл бұрын
Wondering if they have any party tricks involving those metal plates near the plank.
@chrisliddiard725
5 ай бұрын
I wonder if anyone got photos of Russell's rolled car recently?
@IonutTudorica
Жыл бұрын
They are years ahead of the others, and, yet, this is a car that was unstable and it crashed. I don't wanna say they did it on purpose.
@ellyheldring2895
Жыл бұрын
this so called engineer doesnt know a bit of overall aerodynamics!!
@nicovanos
Жыл бұрын
The floors of other teams look like made by students compared to Red Bull.
@sebulbathx
2 жыл бұрын
It's very interesting to get explanation for the floor, thanks! You pretty often see the floor of the cars when they are removed from the track and it's very easy to spot the huge difference compared to previous regulations. But exactly what and how the differences are and the purpose of the shape of the floor is impossible for just a fan. So to get this in-depth breakdown is awesome and also give a hint of how complicated the floor is. Especially with all the creating of vortex and how important they are. Also I thought the fins in the front of the floor was there to direct the air under the floor but the outer two directed the air outwards which was interesting since I thought they really wanted as much air as possible under floor to create downforce.
@wololo10
Жыл бұрын
The downforce would be very unstable without the ice skate in that area
@ARBAN30
Жыл бұрын
Not sure why have not been subscribed to your channel. Its now down.
@notbenh
2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the in depth analysis.
@Knolraab
2 жыл бұрын
I wonder if there is F1 teams watching these videos to get your view on it for free.
@DiegoAndrade
2 жыл бұрын
It is ok if we have a 10 min conversation, please let me know how to connect?
@charleslatios289
2 жыл бұрын
Hi, I've been watching and learning from your videos several years, thank you very much of the great knowledge sharing. I got my master degree of aerospace engineering 5 years ago, and from last year during spare time I started to read F1 regulation and generate CAD model for CFD. I posted my first analyze article at [ www.f1technical.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=30329 ], and recently I continue my iteration. May I discuss (more like asking questions) with you when analyzing F1 aerodynamics?
@FlorianFiernow
Жыл бұрын
Please RB19 too after Monaco now :)
@mtrps_
Жыл бұрын
Perez gave us another more detailed look this year, too! lmao
@FAZAZZ47
Жыл бұрын
I cant believe that was allowed to show the under the cars like this.
@indexartcenter9671
Жыл бұрын
HOw does this all translate into SIM racing- a little or not at all?
@carisi2k11
Жыл бұрын
So one year later. How does the new RB19 floor work?
@weedfreer
Жыл бұрын
Finally...the only review ive been waiting for 😊
@Andre_The_Millennial
2 жыл бұрын
Anyone know how to model a f1 2022 floor in CAD?
@dagbaramore3640
Жыл бұрын
legality box BS.. sophisticated stuff, really interesting, but these rules are kinda artificial crap.. there should be a racing class for engineers to go nuts! ..maybe make one rule for ejection seats to save lives..
@TorqueFormulaWon
Жыл бұрын
If rules were really open the first thing they would do would be a fan in my opinion. Nothing would come close to being able to use one.
@micketkeong
Жыл бұрын
I thought F1 car's floor should be full flat.
@LionelHutz
Жыл бұрын
that crash will cost Perez seat 😁
@t0k4m4k7
2 жыл бұрын
Please please please make a video on the new aprilia RSGP fairings. It's something that i always imagined could be possible but never thought would be applicable. I suspect they are trying to make downforce with ground effect since their new fairing is so close to the asphalt at max lean, but i don't have the experience to be sure and also a bike is a very different platform from a car.
@aluwanikwatsi9120
Жыл бұрын
Why @mercedea not coming to this space
@guitarsword1
Жыл бұрын
Outstanding Kyle. Thanku
@Mtlmshr
Жыл бұрын
You definitely “geek out” on all those winglets and other devices. What I noticed and was looking at was the “plank” and how it was fastened and how the fasteners actually made the plank no longer perfectly flat as the fasteners were tightened they caused dimples in that plank. So that begs the question, as a aerodynamicist have you ever thought of theses types of issues, after all some mechanics are gorillas and others have a deft touch with there wrench’s. This can in one degree or another affect how all of the panels and surfaces interact with one another. Would you agree or disagree? If the teams go through all the trouble to tape up all the seems of all the panels each time they go out so it’s as smooth as possible, if you get a person that is screwing panels in so tight that they change the shape of the panels then what’s the use of all that fine tuning and testing?
@lcambilargiu
Жыл бұрын
Do you remember the days that RB had the engine exhaust flow directed at their diffusor? The front strafes appear to be serving a similar function of creating a vortex of outflowing air to the sides that create more "isolation" of underbody air.
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