Think this through. This one verse (there are many others) refutes hyper Calvinism; Matthew 22:14 "For many are called, but few are chosen." If Calvinism were true, the verse would/must simply say, "Few are called and those few are chosen." If God calls many and ONLY few are chosen, that absolutely implies that some who are called, refuse to come. Hence, they made a CHOICE to refuse God's calling.
@titosantiago3694
10 ай бұрын
Great observation.
@mikelyons2831
10 ай бұрын
Personally, I don't use, say or call them "Hyper Calvinists". If you listen carefully to JMac, Voddie, Lawson, Washer they will say "God is absolutely sovereign" "Nothing surprises Him or catches Him off guard"...they affirm meticulous determinism/theistic determinism. Therefore, they affirm hyper Calvinism
@johnknight3529
10 ай бұрын
If one does a risk vs reward type analysis of the Calvinistical mindset, it seems blatantly obvious to me that only a total sucker would adopt that position/belief system. Because if it is correct, one gains nothing (beyond perhaps some momentary pleasure from getting praise from their "peers"). And if it is incorrect, one will be Judged by a God they have wrongly accused of being directly and exclusively responsible for every single sin, petty through heinous, that was ever committed by any human being. (As well as by every "spiritual" being) The potential risk is clearly their eternal life, and the potential reward might as well be a bowl of porridge . .
@mikelyons2831
10 ай бұрын
@@johnknight3529 Agreed. I will say to Calvinists & to those that don't know what it is that "Calvinism preys on & hoodwinks the Under-discipled folk". They will look shocked & say "So you think JMac, John Piper, Paul Washer & Voddie are hoodwinked/bamboozled by Calvinism because they are under-discipled?" I tell'm...yep. Why else would they think Jesus mislead us in Luke 9:56 & John 3:17?
@dw6528
10 ай бұрын
@@mikelyons2831 DW: Yes! Good observation! There are however a few Calvinists who are more logically coherent and less DOUBLE-MINDED. But the majority of Calvinists are totally DOUBLE-MINDED and treat the doctrine of decrees *AS-IF* it is FALSE in order to retain a sense of human normalcy. Those Calvinists who are more logically coherent and less DOUBLE-MINDED are often labeled as "Hyper" by the moderate Calvinists - because they are more apt to take the doctrine to its logical conclusions. But even the "Hyper" ones can only take it so far - before they also have to treat the doctrine *AS-IF* it is FALSE in order to retain a sense of human normalcy.
@brianschmidt704
10 ай бұрын
Doctor flowers has hit the core issue of calvinism. Calvinists love to talk about how God determines who will be saved by unconditionally electing. This means that God is utterly in control. And so he determines everything even down to our choices. But, to be consistent, that means that even when we are elect, God still decides how holy of lives we live. And how rightly we understand God's word. This is a very scary teaching. It really says that we absolutely have nothing to do with not just our salvation, but even our christian walk. So all the exhortations to live holy lives become a illusion.
@dw6528
10 ай бұрын
DW: Actually - if you think it through - in Calvinism - humans are not granted choice in the matter of anything. A necessary condition for choice - is the existence and availability of more than one option - in order to constitute a choice. And an infallible decree does not grant more than one option. 1) If it is decreed that Calvinist_X will turn left at TIME-T 2) Then the option for Calvinist_X to NOT turn left at TIME-T is not granted existence 3) That which is not granted existence - is not available to Calvinist_X 4) Therefore - Calvinist_X does not have a CHOICE in the matter - simply because there is no ALTERNATIVE option available to choose. 5) The event of Calvinist_X turning left at TIME-T was determined by antecedent factors outside of Calvinist_X's control. Therefore - Calvinist_X did not have a choice in the matter. And that is the case for every human event and every human impulse in Calvinism. Calvinists will claim they are granted CHOICE because it is too painful to acknowledge they don't When they claim they are granted CHOICE - I ask them to give me an example of a choice they were granted Most of them will avoid that conversation like the plague - because they know I can show them logically how they actually did not have a choice. And that would be devastating to them.
@TheFinalJigsaw
10 ай бұрын
I'm failing to see how calvinism is a scary teaching? You just hate the sovereignty of God. You literally hate God
@cvent8454
10 ай бұрын
Calvinism and the Prosperity Gospel are the two greatest threats of the 21st Century to sound Biblical teaching. Bless your ministry Dr. Flowers for exposing the hypocrisy of Calvinism.
@user-qf9dh8cj7m
4 ай бұрын
Calvinism is the horrible one. It lies about God, man and salvation. The people that preach prosperity don't do that.
@lindajohnson4204
2 ай бұрын
@@user-qf9dh8cj7mActually, they do. Back in the late 70s, I went to a word faith church, and got kind of caught up in the cult mechanisms. I obviously couldn't leave, unless I told everyone why, and church services and property are his turf, and on the phone is stabbing him behind his back. So, make that yet another Sunday, and a lot of anxiety... But that so-called church did a lot to diminish faith in the Jesus of salvation. For one, salvation is just the ticket in to "deeper" (health and wealth) things, and is basically shallow and boring. Second, "God don't care if you fall away", and since He supposedly is only interested in the big rollers like Copeland, etc, contrary to all the Bible that never gets mentioned in those churches, you are encouraged to believe that which makes you seem unloved. And there's the fact that "you're responsible for the revelation that you hear", meaning that if you're not absorbing the new, fresh revelation of word faith, you're slip sliding away in unbelief, and if He is like they say, He could care less. Which He isn't, and you need to leave, but what about all those love bombers who made you feel so welcome? Meanwhile, the lying false teachings they teach are eroding your faith by the drip method, and also the fact that once more, you need to leave. The fact that you're tolerating hearing lies about God, and not leaving, gives those acknowledged lies much more power to not just deceive but condemn you. Salvation is never mentioned except to prop up word faith. You would certainly never hear "O Sacred Head, Now Wounded" in a word faith church; that would be condemned as having a "spirit of religion". You'd never in a million years hear a hymn that was about anything spiritual, and the Holy Spirit (as He is not!) and the "wonder-working power of the blood" to bring forth material prosperity, like Jesus's shed blood is some magic potion to fulfill all your desires, is constantly drummed into your head. No way in the world should you be there, but of course: the others must be told what's wrong...
@jakeofalltradesmusic
10 ай бұрын
I lost a lot of respect for Evangelicalism as a whole because of the seemingly almost universal respect for John Piper as one of the greatest modern theologians. I was facing some of the hardest times in my life, and because of the church’s high admiration of John Piper, I turned to his Q&A’s for answers, and I finished his video screaming in pain as if someone had stabbed my spirit and cut it into pieces because he basically said that God is destroying my life because He wants to, and that I have no right to question Him, and if it led to my damnation, it’s in His Sovereignty and pleasure to damn me. It’s because of this I could never respect John Piper unless he turns from the satanic doctrine of Calvinism and repent. And those that are aware of what he teaches and condones it, I implore you to repent.
@dw6528
10 ай бұрын
DW: I agree with you - and I can see in your story how it was probably the case that those people who were pushing Piper were probably operating in "Stealth Calvinism" which is a dishonest practice.
@Deanna974
10 ай бұрын
This is so sad to hear. ☹️ I totally understand that screaming feeling...I used to watch a lot of John Piper and would feel a lot worse after.
@michaelcarpenter7068
10 ай бұрын
So sorry! I agree on that. My wife & I are almost a year out from the worst thing a parent can face. My daughter was 6 and died in wreck caused by a drunk driver. Calvinists make it very hard to not throat 🤛 them. Then again what other reaction would you expect from someone when you tell them that God decreed that for his glory.
@dw6528
10 ай бұрын
@@michaelcarpenter7068 DW: Yes! The natural human response to the Calvinist belief system is that he will have a maximal concern when evil is directed towards himself - and negligible concern when evil is directed towards others. That affect is fundamental in Calvinism because the greatest evil directed towards any individual stipulated by the doctrine - is the evil of an individual being created and designed specifically for eternal torment in a lake of fire - for the good pleasure of a deity. Pretty much every Calvinist assumes that evil is directed towards everyone except himself. When you remind a Calvinist that his doctrine stipulates - a large percentage of Calvinists are divinely deceived being given a FALSE SENSE of salvation having been designed as CHAFF believers - the average Calvinist will have a hissy fit The last thing he wants - is that evil directed towards himself.
@primeobjective5469
10 ай бұрын
The power of Satan is real - he does indeed deceive the minds of the naive.
@gereshare6659
10 ай бұрын
SO THANKFUL!! We've been having this conversation around our kitchen table for YEARS. I'm so glad to hear this in depth conversation from so many now! PTL!!
@grahck4391
10 ай бұрын
I've said this several times ... It's because of misdefining "Sovereignty" that leads to God getting blamed for a lot of things that he didn't do.
@seth101-hv4st
10 ай бұрын
This misunderstanding of sovereignty turns God into a monster.
@grahck4391
10 ай бұрын
@@brianfamilar9800 so?
@Jebron_G
10 ай бұрын
The fact that people can and do commit crimes and break the law, doesn't mean the government is not sovereign or weak or not in control.
@darrennelson5855
10 ай бұрын
Piper used a dozen verbs in his response to that guy that imply free will - accept, resist, pray, work, etc. Yet he holds to God’s meticulous control of the human will. He seems to be oblivious to the obvious that in his worldview, the answer to every question is ‘God determined it.’
@KISStheSON...
10 ай бұрын
It makes my head spin 🥴
@dissidentleathermonster
8 ай бұрын
I was saved in a Pentecostal church, and after three years moved to a Southern Baptist church. I struggled for the last three years and almost gave up until I found this channel. I am now excited to delve into God's word. You pulled me from the fire, Leighton. Thank you so much.
@AlexanderosD
10 ай бұрын
This! This right here! Thank you Leighton. This right here is one of the CORE foundational flaws of Calvinism; An incorrect definition of the Sovereignty of God. The Calvinist definition of God's Sovereignty: Because God is the Lord enthroned, therefore He MUST be divinely decreeing and meticulously determining all things. But, the Biblical definition of God's Sovereignty: Though the nations rage, the mountains crumble into the sea, the peoples say 'let us break our chains and cast off this God over us', though our bodies be broken and the world suffer at the hands of the wicked . . . The Lord God is enthroned in Heaven, Holy and Worthy is He to be King, forevermore. Calvinism does not define its philosophy based on the Scripture, but on man's philosophy about the Scripture. This needs to come to an end, and Calvinism needs to come to an end. It will mean, all of the theologians who have held this view, will have to humble themselves and accept that they are wrong. Meaning, I don't think we'll see it come to an end. 😔
@dw6528
10 ай бұрын
DW: This attribute of Calvinism is called *AS-IF* thinking The Calvinist asserts the doctrine to be TRUE - while simultaneously treating the doctrine *AS-IF* it is FALSE . The reason for this is because it is the natural human response to Determinism. Listen to these quotes Sean Carroll (Theoretical physicist - Atheist Determinist) -quote Every person in the world, no matter how anti-free-will they are, talks about people *AS-IF* they make decisions. Dr. William Lane Craig -quote Nobody can live *AS-IF* all that he thinks and does is determined by causes outside of himself. Every determinist recognizes he has to act *AS-IF* he has option(S) to weigh, and can decide on what course of action to take… John Calvin -quote Each ought to so apply himself to his office *AS-IF* nothing were determined about any part. (Eternal Predestination pg171) It is humanly impossible for a person to live logically coherent with Determinism. If anyone were to do so - he would have to acknowledge that every impulse that comes to pass within his brain is determined by antecedent factors totally outside of his brains control - and he has NO CHOICE in the matter of anything. No Calvinist can live coherently with the doctrine and at the same time retain a sense of human normalcy. All Calvinists follow the same exact pattern 1) Assert the doctrine is TRUE 2) Treat the doctrine *AS-IF* it is FALSE
@dw6528
10 ай бұрын
@brianfamilar9800 Brian: Flowers was trying to claim that decretal theology leads to harmful passivity towards fighting sin DW: This misses Dr. Flower's point completely! Lets start with what is stipulated by decretal theology John Calvin -quote The creatures...are so governed by the secret counsel of god, that *NOTHING HAPPENS* but what he has knowingly and willingly decreed. (Institutes 1. 16. 3) Thus it follows 1) The only way a "passive" impulse can come to pass in a Calvinist brain - is if that impulse is knowingly and willingly decreed 2) That decree is infallible and immutable and does not grant any ALTERNATIVE from that which it decrees 3) Therefore - if a "passive" impulse comes to pass within a Calvinist brain - it was decreed and NO ALTERNATIVE impulse was granted to that Calvinist brain. 4) Since the decree is infallible and immutable - it follows - it is humanly impossible for the Calvinist to change or alter any impulse that comes to pass within his brain. 5) Since every impulse is determined by antecedent factors outside of the Calvinist's brains control - it follows - the Calvinist has NO SAY and NO CHOICE in the matter of any impulse that will come to pass within his brain. 6) Additionally - the Calvinist brain is not granted foreknowledge of that which has been decreed. Therefore the only way the Calvinist knows what impulse will be decreed to infallibly come to pass within his brain is by observing that impulse *AFTER* it comes to pass. CONCLUSION: For any Calvinist to assume he has any control over any impulse in his brain is a denial of divine sovereignty and the doctrine of decrees.
@lindajohnson4204
9 ай бұрын
@brianfamilar9800IF they say that we ought to do something, or even that we can do anything, WHY do they damn anyone for thinking that we do anything? That ought to be an easy inconsistency to catch, and I bet it would be, if they werent so bewitched by this doctrine.
@ericfisher1360
10 ай бұрын
If Calvinism is true everyone acts just like they are supposed to. 😂😂😂
@stevehunt2162
10 ай бұрын
So good!
@matthewtheron2505
10 ай бұрын
Some people were literally "born this way". And theirs nothing we can do about it. Lol.
@toktik8715
10 ай бұрын
Are you acting like you are supposed to? I think you would say yes. The question is, supposed by whom?
@bravebarnabas
10 ай бұрын
All things work after the council of God's will. God grants Repentance and Faith. Salvation, Grace, and Fath are ALL the Gift of God.
@dw6528
10 ай бұрын
DW: BINGO! Yes! The Calvinist in this story asks what is wrong with himself. The answer I would give that Calvinist - is that by asking what is wrong with himself - he is assuming something wrong with what his god has decreed. How dare he!!! :-D
@R.L.KRANESCHRADTT
10 ай бұрын
Determinists literally have God decreeing one person to believe "A" to be true and for others to believe "B" to be true and then determining them to argue with each other about what is true while God watches it for his own pleasure. If this is true, God is determining at least one person to believe a Lie... or maybe both😎! But how can they know which one? 🤔
@dw6528
10 ай бұрын
DW: Very insightful! Here is another one for you. Lets say James White is required to take a bible exam and all of the questions are TRUE/FALSE questions. At TIME-T Jame's brain engages with the first question. Now remember - the doctrine stipulates that *WHATSOEVER* comes to pass - is determined at the foundation of the world. So Calvin's god has to determine what perception will come to pass within Jame's brain concerning the question. Option_A: Jame's brain will infallibly perceive the answer as TRUE Option_B Jame's brain will infallibly perceive the answer as FALSE Calvin's god cannot decree both at the same time - because one cancels the other Calvin's god cannot leave it *OPEN* because that would falsify the doctrine of decrees He must select one option and reject the other. If he selects Option_A - then Option_B is not granted existence. If he selects Option_B - then Option_A is not granted existence. Notice here - that this does not grant Jame's Whites brain the ability to choose between TRUE and FALSE The infallible decree can only grant *ONE OPTION* Therefore it follows - per the doctrine of decrees - the Calvinist brain is never granted the ability to choose between TRUE and FALSE on the matter of anything. And since discerning the truth-value of any proposition - entails making a choice between TRUE and FALSE on the matter of that proposition - it follows - the Calvinist brain is never granted the ability to discern TRUE from FALSE on the matter of anything.
@seth101-hv4st
10 ай бұрын
If Calvinism is correct, there can do no rebellion. You act precisely according to His will which was determined before the foundation of the world.
@restoringheroesproject
10 ай бұрын
That is what I was thinking about
@R.L.KRANESCHRADTT
10 ай бұрын
I think being impervious to Cognitive Dissonance is some kind of Calvinist Super-Power😎
@1995dodgetruck
10 ай бұрын
This is really dangerous when one can believe that when they do what Scriptures say is wrong, it is God's will. Still others, realizing God would not cause them to sin, will not seek spiritual help, but reject Christ altogether.
@61ranger188
10 ай бұрын
Yes. I have been saying for years that Calvinist are the new Gnostics. Not so much in that they teach Gnosticism, but that they are the only ones that understand and we must come to them and just accept their explanation of things.
@lindajohnson4204
9 ай бұрын
It allows the spirits that informed and enforced gnostic doctrine, the privilege of defining the nature of God. So if he strangely ends up looking more like a ruthless, Roman emperor than like Jesus (the express image of the Father), there you go.
@61ranger188
9 ай бұрын
@@lindajohnson4204 Yes
@carlflores2382
10 ай бұрын
The problem is that junior Calvinists are told what to think rather than how to think.
@alonzomccloud4530
3 ай бұрын
Have you ever studied the doctrine of sin ? If not, you will have to go into a study about it very important. Will you do that, please ?
@JewandGreek
10 ай бұрын
When you play Scrabble with John Piper God sovereignly chooses what letters you get. That's what he said. I'm not making that up.
@Person-dq3dk
10 ай бұрын
Lol
@R.L.KRANESCHRADTT
10 ай бұрын
He does his best to be consistent.🤠 I came across his book "Don't Waste Your Life"... and laughed out loud in the book store.🤣🤣 .... If he's right, how could you🤔.
@dw6528
10 ай бұрын
DW: I can tell you one thing that is stipulated in their doctrine which they absolutely hate!!! That is the fact that an infallible decree does not grant any ALTERNATIVE from what it decrees. If it is decreed that Calvinist_A will perform SIN_X at TIME-T - then that decree is infallible and unchangeable - and it does not grant any ALTERNATIVE to Calvinist_A. When I remind Calvinists about that aspect of their doctrine - I can see the smoke coming out of their ears! :-D
@Pablo9989-lj7pm
10 ай бұрын
Dr Flowers, I hear your heartfelt frustration! So many Christians who DO love their Lord Jesus, are misled by this wrong theology and doctrines. I know, hear, and see, that your frustration has nothing to do with your own theology, but with the Augustinian/Calvinistic doctrines, that lead people away from a right relationship with the Triune God. Thank you for your passion and work, to help rescue people from this, deception..! Piper, RC Sproul, and MacArthur are deceived too. It started with Augustine in the fifth century, and continues today. And BTW, I don’t think that Pelagius was a heretic. Thanks too, for your Ali Bonner interview. Blessings!
@LazarAndrei-VNI
10 ай бұрын
However, I must applaud your friendly attitude towards these people. Probably because you were also a Calvinist, just as I have some greater empathy towards others who are in the same sins that I was in, such as drugs and alcohol. I would not have the patience and attitude to debate this topic publicly on my channel, although I see how necessary it is.
@vladeymir5231
10 ай бұрын
If sovereignty of God, according to calvinism, even determines actions and thoughts of the devil, then God is to blame for all the evil in the world. Yikes!
@cecilspurlockjr.9421
10 ай бұрын
The same amount of sin, torture , hate and death occurs without the existence of satan in calvinism.
@vladeymir5231
10 ай бұрын
@@cecilspurlockjr.9421 This argument is weak because after Adam and Eve - pretty much from the very dawn of the existence of people - we’ve never lived without satan’s presence on earth. Yes, agree that we don’t need satan to commit sin, as we are sinful, but that’s an argument that leads us away from the point of determinism to the doctrine of total depravity. That wasn’t my point though.
@cecilspurlockjr.9421
10 ай бұрын
@vladeymir5231 What argument is weak . My statements simply strengthened your statements . Surely you can see this if you slow down a little and think about both of our claims . How would you consistently claim what I've said is weak when all I've done in reality is strengthen your statements?
@user-fk2ur9cv7h
10 ай бұрын
You can’t be in rebellion on John Piper’s view, this is the insanity of it. Everything loses meaning
@dw6528
10 ай бұрын
DW: Absolutely correct! It is impossible for a fallible creature to disobey an infallible decree. Therefore there is no such thing as disobedience in Calvinism. Every sin a Calvinist commits is *PERFORMED* on Calvin's god's behalf.
@TheRealMonnie
10 ай бұрын
Unfortunately telling a Calvinist that doesn't work. For some reason they can't see the conflict.
@dw6528
10 ай бұрын
@@TheRealMonnie DW: Yes - that has been my experience with them as well. There is an interesting theory behind this - which is called *AS-IF* thinking which is a natural human response to a belief system which is so radical that it has consequences the believer does not find palatable. Take Solipsism for example - which is essentially the belief that the believer is the only real person on planet earth - and all other people are figments of his imagination. He is smart enough to realize - if he treats his boss or his wife as a figment of his imagination - there will be consequences. He may lose his job - or never be promoted - and he may lose his wife. To evade those consequences - he will treat people *AS-IF* they are real. Which means - he is treating his belief system *AS-IF* it is FALSE. Calvinism's underlying foundation is EXHAUSTIVE DIVINE DETERMINISM - which is also such a radical system that the believer cannot live coherently with it - and retain a sense of human normalcy. Here are a few quotes to confirm: Sean Carroll (Theoretical physicist - Atheist Determinist) -quote Every person in the world, no matter how anti-free-will they are, talks about people *AS-IF* they make decisions. Dr. William Lane Craig -quote Nobody can live *AS-IF* all that he thinks and does is determined by causes outside of himself. Every determinist recognizes he has to act *AS-IF* he has option(S) to weight and can decide on what course of action to take. John Calvin -quote Each ought to so apply himself to his office, *AS-IF* nothing were determined about any part. (Eternal Predestination pg171) When we understand this - the pattern within Calvinist statements becomes very clear. The Calvinist is forced to assert his doctrine is TRUE - while simultaneously treating his doctrine *AS-IF* it is FALSE. That is why - Calvinist language has been observed for many years as a language of DOUBLE-SPEAK.
@lindajohnson4204
9 ай бұрын
Oh, but you can, but sort of can't. He said you're in rebellion against God if you don't believe that God makes everything happen by decree, "meticulous (etc) determination", although the Bible teaches the opposite is true.
@dw6528
9 ай бұрын
@@lindajohnson4204 DW: You don't appear to understand - Determinism in Calvinism is EXHAUSTIVE - which means - *EVERYTHING* without exception within creation is determined. And that includes every impulse in the human brain. John Calvin explains -quote The creatures...are so governed by the secret counsel of god, that *NOTHING HAPPENS* but what he has knowingly and willingly decreed. (Institutes 1. 16. 3) Accordingly - no impulse can happen within the human brain unless that impulse is knowingly and willingly decreed. All of creation is made up of atomic particles. All impulses within the human brain are electrically charged atomic particles. And in Calvinism - there is no such thing as any atomic particle rebelling or disobeying an infallible decree. Therefore - in Calvinism - there is no such thing as a creature (including a human) being in rebellion or disobeying an infallible decree. It is also critical to understand Calvinism' s doctrine of decrees is so radical - that Calvinists themselves are in denial of a great deal of what it stipulates. So if you hear a Calvinist claiming that fallible creatures can rebel or disobey an infallible decree - then you would recognize that as a Calvinist in denial of his doctrine.
@KISStheSON...
10 ай бұрын
Amen Leighton, we are not mere animals, we are not made of flesh ONLY we also have a spirit which is why we are able to make choices as opposed to the lion. We can obey the flesh OR the spirit which is why we FEEL the pain of regret, shame, blame, and remorse, and the more we choose to walk in the flesh the LESS we will FEEL the pain. Matthew 26:41 “Watch and pray, that ye enter not into temptation: the spirit indeed is willing, but the flesh is weak.” Ephesians 4 19 Who being past feeling have GIVEN THEMSELVES OVER unto lasciviousness, to work all uncleanness with greediness.
@JESUS_Saves3747
28 күн бұрын
Dan 4:35: ³⁵ And all the inhabitants of the earth are reputed as nothing: and he doeth according to his will in the army of heaven, and among the inhabitants of the earth: and none can stay his hand, or say unto him, What doest thou?
@KISStheSON...
28 күн бұрын
@@JESUS_Saves3747 Amen! And a double amen for the context of Daniel 4:35 which is that God rules from heaven OVER the kings of the earth and is able to abase those who WALK in pride. That verse gives me reasons to have peace during the coming election in November. I know that this earthly kingdom is only temporary, but God's Kingdom is everlasting.
@titosantiago3694
10 ай бұрын
John Piper is suffering from the epitome of cognitive dissonance.
@seanvann1747
10 ай бұрын
The moment Leighton understands that this "apathy" can and does lead to individuals abandoning "the faith" so that they do not receive the salvation of thier souls.. 1 Peter 1:9 [9]Receiving the end of your faith, even the salvation of your souls. He will be alot harder on these doctrines of demons and the perpetrators of them. 1 Timothy 4:1 [1]Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils; Thanks for the shorts!! 🙌
@KISStheSON...
10 ай бұрын
I too believe that Calvinism is a doctrine of devils, but I do not believe that believers (in this age) can abandon "the faith" so they do not receive the salvation of their souls. I believe that 1 Peter 1 is written to an audience that will have to endure to the end of the tribulation period. 1 Peter 1 13 Wherefore gird up the loins of your mind, be sober, and hope to THE END for the grace that is TO BE BROUGHT unto you AT THE REVELATION OF CHRIST JESUS; If we rightly divide the word of truth we can conclude that Paul teaches us to be confident that we ARE STANDING IN the grace of God, not that grace will be brought to us at the revelation of Christ Jesus when Christ is revealed to those on the earth after the tribulation period. We are not waiting for that time, we are waiting for Christ to meet us in that air in the twinkling of an eye. Romans 5:2 “By whom also we have access by faith into this grace wherein WE STAND, and rejoice in hope of the glory of God.”💌
@cecilspurlockjr.9421
10 ай бұрын
@@KISStheSON... It is most certainly satanic .
@seanvann1747
10 ай бұрын
@@KISStheSON... The Bible actually says that many will abandon the faith because of these doctrines of demons 1 Timothy 4:1 [1]Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils; DEPART Definition: to lead away, to depart from Usage: I make to stand away, draw away, repel, take up a position away from, withdraw from, leave, abstain from. We only stand in God's grace by staying in faith. Like the verse says we only have access to God's saving grace by STANDING in faith. I'm sure you agree there will be no unbelievers that inherit the Kingdom of God.
@KISStheSON...
10 ай бұрын
@@seanvann1747 Can a person on the earth be led to a place that the Holy Spirit (they were sealed with) won't go with them? If I am sealed with the Holy Spirit and I walk away from the faith because of a false doctrine, will not the Holy Spirit stay with me to fight for me to depart from the false doctrine? I guess I have enough faith to believe that even if I depart from the faith, the Spirit will not depart from me! I believe that if a person departs from the faith that only makes them an unprofitable member of the body of Christ and we as brothers and sisters should work hard at bringing them back so they become profitable 💌 The devil loves to make us unprofitable, but He can't unseal what God has sealed, which makes him furious😆
@seanvann1747
10 ай бұрын
@@KISStheSON... No the Holy Spirit will leave you when you abandon Faith in Christ. Faith in Christ/Gospel is how we receive Him and rejection of Christ is why He leaves individuals. Once again I ask you do you believe that there will be individuals who have departed from the faith who no longer believe in Christ that inherit the Kingdom of God? Thanks 👍
@itzakehrenberg3449
10 ай бұрын
Under Calvinism, there can be no "rebels", only meat robots. What could actually be more blasphemous than saying that our Heavenly Father is the author of all sin? God makes the law, then wills his creation to break the law, and finally punishes the created beings for "their" sins????? What price would be just for believing such a horrible thing and then teaching others to share the belief? God have mercy on John Piper & friends.
@HJEvan
10 ай бұрын
We invent a category. Give it a long name. Make sure its definition excludes the contradictions and only includes what we need the category to affirm. And, "tad dah", Systematic Theology! Isn't it so tidy and pretty! Just like Mary Crontrary's garden that is planted, 'all in a row.'
@GhostBearCommander
10 ай бұрын
It’s a simple question for Calvinists: Is God Sovereign enough to create beings with Free Will? If the Calvinist says “No,” then maybe their view is blasphemous. If the view says “Yes,” then Calvinism is off the table. It’s a lose-lose situation.
@arkrainflood
10 ай бұрын
while it is a simple question, calvinists will respond (note, i did not say answer) with a multitude of words spewed out in a manner that lacks logic and respond with questions to the question.
@JD10503
10 ай бұрын
As a Calvinist myself, God is sovereign enough to do anything He wishes, and yes, that would include giving man a free will. But, He didn't give man a free will. He could have if He desired to, but I don't believe He desired to.
@johnknight3529
10 ай бұрын
@@JD10503- "He didn't give man a free will. He could have if He desired to, but I don't believe He desired to." Could you give me a general idea of what you believe He did give man (you, me, etc.) along the lines of what we experience in the way of consciousness? It is difficult for me to understand what I am, on Calvinism/total predeterminism, beyond a biological organism with (apparently) no "mind" to speak of. His Mind doing all the thinking, feeling, remembering, observing and so on, leaves it pretty much pointless for "us" to have ever been created at all as individuals. And if that state of affairs holds true for all created beings, I don't see how He is not still alone in the psychological/experiential sense, since it's actually all His phycological/experiential existence that is (for some reason) occurring in an extremely "dispersed" way. As if He were contemplating creating independent consciousness(es), perhaps, and trying out some options available to Him, before actually proceeding to do so. As if He is still in the "before the world began" phase of making a world, considering what exactly He wants to do with His power to create things. And "we" are really Him, getting into the details of what that world and its inhabitants would/could be like . . when He is no longer effectively alone. (And me wondering about this stuff is actually Him (with intentional selective amnesia) pondering what it would be like to feel very confused ; )
@3rsullivan
10 ай бұрын
@@JD10503 Why don't you think God wanted His highest creation to have a free will? We are not animals..? Animals don't have a free will - they have instincts, not wills.
@lindajohnson4204
9 ай бұрын
@@JD10503@JD10503 If God is honest ("I am the Way, and the Truth, and the Life..."), our wills are as free as the responsibility He assigns to us for them. He holds us responsible, not because He's the biggest, and can get by with whatever He does, but because we are responsible. God is not a liar.
@hirakisk
10 ай бұрын
Another great example of Calvinists not really believing what they claim when it comes to living out their beliefs. I don't know how many "Calvinist" sermons/pastors I have listened to that teach and preach as though they DO believe in free will, but will fight you tooth and nail to suggest that idea. So many contradictions. It must be that "mystery" that they claim anytime you point out a contradiction in their beliefs or point out that if they follow their beliefs to their logical conclusion that God is responsible for all the evil in the world. Oh wait....this is where God's "two wills" come into play to do mental gymnastics to get around the problems.
@DamonNomad82
10 ай бұрын
I still think the "two wills" idea came from John Calvin running into the constant inconsistency of the doctrines he was developing and getting so frustrated that he repeatedly bashed his head against a wall until he was seeing double. Then, seeing two of everything, he exclaimed "That's it! God has two wills!"
@hirakisk
10 ай бұрын
@@DamonNomad82 LOL! It makes sense..
@matthewtheron2505
10 ай бұрын
Imagine creating a group of people. Determining what their going to do. They go and do exactly what you determined them to do. Then you act surprised, and angry when they do what you programmed them to do. Makes sense to me. 🤷🏻♂️
@didymussumydid9726
10 ай бұрын
That’s what marcion concluded and how people imagined the demiurge.
@dw6528
10 ай бұрын
DW: Well said! Its like programing a robot to always turn left - and then punishing the robot for turning left.
@TheFinalJigsaw
10 ай бұрын
Who are you o man to question the way God does things?
@matthewtheron2505
10 ай бұрын
Who are you o man to make God do things he does not do? @@TheFinalJigsaw
@dw6528
10 ай бұрын
@@TheFinalJigsaw DW: It is in fact the Calvinist practice to dictate what their god does - when he does it and how he does it. The Non-Calvinist role in that process is to record and detail what he observes concerning the IMAGE of the god which the Calvinist creates.
@ericfisher1360
10 ай бұрын
Apparently there is more than one Piper who will play a song and lead you to your doom.
@rogeliosalazar4103
10 ай бұрын
Cavnism does not in no way lead you to your doom.
@DamonNomad82
10 ай бұрын
@@rogeliosalazar4103 That's a double negative. Just like saying "I didn't do nothing" implies that you did, in fact, do something, saying "Cavinsim (sic) does not in no way lead you to your doom" implies that Calvinism does, in fact, lead you to your doom! The great danger of Calvinism is that its version of God is morally indistinguishable from the devil. This drives many people away from Christianity who might otherwise be saved and discourages people from staying in the faith, as they may be deceived into thinking they are not of "the elect".
@The-Bladeslinger
10 ай бұрын
"Piper's error on God's sovereignty " or false teachings?!? When does a deliberate/ continuous /consistent error become a false teaching..
@lindajohnson4204
9 ай бұрын
When it is taught, although it is false?
@Jennifer13515
10 ай бұрын
Also, it should be noted that Piper states that if a Christian does not “accept” Piper’s definition of sovereignty, it could mean that person may be in “rebellion”. But if God controls every action and thought and attitude of every person- that means that no one would be able do anything against what God wanted/decreed, which means that rebellion could not actually exist.
@darrennelson5855
10 ай бұрын
Exactly right. Piper’s call for us to rethink our position assumes we have the ability to do so. It’s impossible not to assume it.
@katierucker2870
10 ай бұрын
And if God causes rebellion that would mean humans are not at fault. Calvinism is illogical. I like how you said it’s his definition because it’s exactly that. It’s not the Biblical definition.
@darrennelson5855
10 ай бұрын
@@katierucker2870 It’s not even the English definition
@scwienert
10 ай бұрын
That’s a cult leader mindset where the leader can’t be questioned or challenged.
@Jaded1645
10 ай бұрын
@@darrennelson5855and this video could be the very means God is sovereignly using to do so!
@roddyk2655
10 ай бұрын
I like how John Piper just throws out a Bible verse without quoting it or explaining how it means what he says it means... *"Paper towels are meant for your mouth, John 74:5... toilet paper is meant for your rear-end, Proverbs 32:7... kleenex are for your nose, Amos **11:32**..."*
@mickknight6963
10 ай бұрын
To "humble myself" implies and requires my free choice. There is no other way to have it. ☝️
@lindajohnson4204
9 ай бұрын
Amen! And they call that "pride".
@sheilasmith7779
10 ай бұрын
If an adult, with an average I.Q., does not understand the contradiction in calvinist teaching, then nothing can be done to convince him/her of this false teaching.
@tommorgan6530
10 ай бұрын
This is really good!!!
@silverbackhayabusa
10 ай бұрын
0:35 Spot on. This is so obvious among Calvinists when you begin to engage them. They have a vocabulary (e.g. sovereignty) that is unique in that the words aren't based in either common definitions nor in biblically based ones. This is where I argue that they are a cult and you fail to call them out on it instead referring to them as simply fellow Christians. If you can call out cults like Mormonism, Jehovah's Witnesses, and the like, you ought to be able to do the same with Calvinists. 4:45 If Calvinism is actual a cult rather than a group of misguided Christians, Calvinism doesn't lead people to apathy, it leads them to apostacy or never having a relationship with God in the first place. 6:00 You say Calvinism isn't biblical. You acknowledged it at least makes many people apathetic. What will it take for you to conclude that Calvinism isn't Christian? If they are creating a caricature of God, then is it still God? When other cults make a caricature of God, we call them on it and make it clear they worship another god. How close of a caricature of God can you have and remain Christian. I admit the calvinistic caricature is a darn good one but it's still a caricature that is adamantly declared. There is no question as to what their god is and that their god is a caricature of the one in the Bible. 14:00 You rightly state that redefining sovereignty is akin to redefining marriage. I would never consider as Christian, someone who, at the level of pastor or theologian, redefines marriage to something that is unbiblical. Why would I, or you, ever consider those same people Christian when they redefine sovereignty? 24:00 On Calvinism and their form of sovereignty, you get it right here also. Piper would have a man humble himself when the truth is Calvinism demands that he is incapable of that and only God can make that happen. Going further, Piper is making it clear that the other person is lacking in some way that Piper himself is not. Given that all of this relies on calvinistic sovereingty, Piper sure seems to have a reason to boast because he is acting that his proper acceptance of Calvinism is superior to the improper acceptance of Calvinism in the person he's counseling. Funny how we come full circle to Calvinism defeating itself. Piper has reason to boast for something he claims is within his control but by Calvinism is simply under the "sovereign" control of God. It's the typical mismatch between Calvinistic theology and practice and it's not one of mistake on the practitioners part but a flaw in the belief system, or systematic. As you say, it's untenable.
@katierucker2870
10 ай бұрын
I think there are misguided Christians who fall for Calvinism, but I also believe some get very cult-like.
@silverbackhayabusa
10 ай бұрын
@@katierucker2870 There are all kinds of people who fall for "Christian" cults. I don't think well-meaning Mormons will get a free pass by God because they fell for a cult. Same goes for Jehovah's witnesses. That said, it's for God to decide obviously. My issue is Dr. Flowers treats Calvinists who are well-versed in the Bible as well-meaning and good Christians (Piper, MacArthur, White, Sproul, etc.). These men didn't fall for something. They jumped in with both feet, rejected all correction, and then proselytized their manmade doctrine. I understand that there are well-meaning people who do not have the background of those theologians and may be fooled and that's why I differentiated when I said, "I would never consider as Christian, someone who, at the level of pastor or theologian, redefines marriage to something that is unbiblical. Why would I, or you, ever consider those same people Christian when they redefine sovereignty?" (Note: on reflection the words "those same" are unnecessary and probably confusing.) Again, it is for God to decide but since we are all ultimately responsible for our own salvation and aiding others to find salvation, I would never trust to a Calvinist the salvation or spiritual development of a seeker or new Christian.
@keepitrealoriginal
10 ай бұрын
John Piper preaches another gospel.
@dfischer5878
10 ай бұрын
So what’s your understanding of the gospel?
@seth101-hv4st
10 ай бұрын
@@dfischer5878 Provisionists believe that if a man sins it's his own fault. Calvinists believe that God determines all things. Therefore, Calvinists believe that God is the author of all sin.
@R.L.KRANESCHRADTT
10 ай бұрын
@@seth101-hv4st 🎯They can dance around it all day... but they can't avoid it in the end.
@keepitrealoriginal
10 ай бұрын
@@dfischer5878 Work out your own salvation. I just warn. Prayers.
@keepitrealoriginal
10 ай бұрын
The Gospel>>> Moses, “Make a fiery serpent, and set it on a pole; and it shall be that everyone who is bitten, when he looks at it, shall live.” 9So Moses made a bronze serpent, and put it on a pole; and so it was, if a serpent had bitten anyone, when he looked at the bronze serpent, he lived. 14“And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of Man be lifted up, 15“that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have eternal life.
@truthseeker5698
6 ай бұрын
One of the biggest blessings in my life is experiencing calvinism reformed theology called out and confronted by so many Christians. Simply another christ in calvinism reformed theology!
@jolookstothestars6358
10 ай бұрын
I believe a hyper or extreme Calvinist are the honest and true Calvinist. If I was to be a Calvinist I would be an extreme Calvinist because I could not honestly and ethically offer a free gift to someone who it really isn't for......the non elect.
@MichaelHernandez-lc2wb
10 ай бұрын
Few days ago, I found one of those texts against Calvinism. “For how do you know, O wife, whether you will save your husband? Or how do you know, O husband, whether you will save your wife?” (1 Co 7:16). 1 Pet 3:1 and 1 Co 9:19-23, share the same idea. It’s the hope or desire to do your best to influence your love ones toward Christ. If Calvinism were true, these texts make no sense because there is cero hope of salvation for a reprobate. No wife’s testimony, prayer, intervention, or anything else could bring a reprobate out of his bad fate. In Calvinism you can only wait and hope to be one of the elects. Otherwise, you are doomed to hell.
@MarkRidlen
10 ай бұрын
Calvinists really need to start considering the old testament prophets, because there are a lot of defeaters to their systematic. That's what "the whole council of scripture" means. You can't just run to Romans 9, Ephesians 2, and John 6, and ignore the other teachings.
@dw6528
10 ай бұрын
DW: It has been my observation - that the Calvinist will start with Calvinist declarations as UNQUESTIONABLE TRUTH before they even pick up a bible. And then when they pick up a bible - their brains are already conditioned such that they cannot read anything but Calvinist declarations in it. I have often asked Calvinists to quote a verse - because I want to see how they quote it. It is not unusual for them to quote something that is not at all what the verse says. what they are quoting - is what their brains have been conditioned to read into that text They will not PHYSICALLY alter the text But their brains are conditioned to AUTOMATICALLY alter the text when they read it.
@drums2go615
10 ай бұрын
The guy that's doing the broadcast that we can't see needs to take off his Augustine glasses and read the text for what it says
@kevinburtnick7818
10 ай бұрын
“He who believes in the Son has everlasting life; and he who does not believe the Son shall not see life, but the wrath of God abides on him.” He who BELIEVES! NOT he who is predestined.
@TheFinalJigsaw
10 ай бұрын
The elect will know the truth
@dfischer5878
10 ай бұрын
What causes one to believe ? The natural man is at enmity with God… No one come to the father unless they are drawn. We believe when He opens are spiritually dead eyes. All of God
@TheFinalJigsaw
10 ай бұрын
@@dfischer5878 Exactly. Well said!
@TheFinalJigsaw
10 ай бұрын
We can't believe unless God allows it. He only does this to the elect
@kevinburtnick7818
10 ай бұрын
@dfischer5878 But I, when I am lifted up from the earth, will draw all men to myself. John 12:32 Please interpret this verse. ....His eternal power and Godhead, so that they are without excuse, Romans 1:20 If God created them for damnation, that's a pretty solid excuse!! “He who believes in the Son has everlasting life; and he who does not believe the Son shall not see life, but the wrath of God abides on him.” NOT he who is predestined! John 3:36 And so God directly causes the human evil that He expressly forbids???? How can we say that God loves the world if He created a good portion of it to go to hell? When you read your Bible, did Jesus treat His hearers as morally responsible for what they did with what they heard? Jesus encourages people to come to Him. John 6:35 He laments when people refuse to come. John 5:39-40
@trebmaster
10 ай бұрын
I love the t-shirt shopping banner underneath the video.
@katierucker2870
10 ай бұрын
God knows everything that will happen. That’s not the same as God causes it to happen. If I wasn’t a Christian and a Calvinist came up to me to tell me their version of the “Gospel” I would say that there was no point of accepting it if God determined for me to go to hell. Calvinism should be completely rejected.
@MR.UNUSUAL30.
9 ай бұрын
Calvinism is not another gospel its a theological view point
@truefinish80
10 ай бұрын
Really good to see Flowers unapologetically laying into Piper, this has to be done, Pipers statements to this youngman and his view of God are truly untenable
@eugenelombard960
10 ай бұрын
If Calvinist teachings are correct, why would Revelation 14: 6 onwards instruct the remnant church to (once again) encourage the world to come out of spiritual Babylon before Christ returns? This would serve no purpose if everything that happens in future has already been predetermined by God.
@seth101-hv4st
10 ай бұрын
Nearly every page of the Bible God gives instructions to His people. He then assigns blessings to those who humbly submit and curses those who continue to walk in rebellion. But according to Calvinism you have no choice. Your actions were determined before the creation of the world.
@jackwilson3867
10 ай бұрын
We can hardly explain quantum mechanics, but we're going to clearly explain how the Creator works
@johnknight3529
10 ай бұрын
No need for that "hardly explain" stuff, no one truly understands the quantum level of reality. Indeed, no one truly understands gravity. All scientists can do is quantify what goes on in His Creation, which can be extremely useful no doubt, but understanding it is another matter ; ) "For my thoughts are not your thoughts, neither are your ways my ways, saith the Lord. For as the heavens are higher than the earth, so are my ways higher than your ways, and my thoughts than your thoughts."
@deltadom33
10 ай бұрын
What i find so interesting is that why is calvinist writers have got published more than those who didnt I know that john piper was originally a scholar of johnathan edwards How is calvinism going to fight against the views of islamic fatalism I have read alot of the puritans and it is always interesting how the calvinists take them all as alot of them arent Calvinist There has been a generation lost due to the fact the young restless and reformed movement In england we are fighting pagainism and islam The apostasy in the church It makes you feel like a pawn on a chess board
@seth101-hv4st
10 ай бұрын
Better called the young and useless.
@deltadom33
10 ай бұрын
@@seth101-hv4st my problem has been as it hasn't pointed to people that would build them up in there faith as most of the reformed movement point to conservative movement such as Ben Shapiro who are not Christians then there was the whole situation with Joshua Harris Even with things like pastor smarty pants just suddenly disappeared on wretched radio It is like a wrecking ball
@cecilspurlockjr.9421
10 ай бұрын
John Piper is even more confused than i originally thought and thats seriously confused. Calvinism and islam are comfy bedfellows.
@evasochocki5209
10 ай бұрын
I was recently right on the edge of stepping over into believing Calvinism and then found your videos. Thank you. I would like to subscribe and to buy your book. But.. before I go any further, I need to know if you are in agreement with Andy Stanley's recent "Doctrine." He has been quoting from a book written by atheists and defending gay unions as you probably already know.
@servant2Christ
10 ай бұрын
Hi Leighton. Just want to say I have been enjoying your videos for some time. Also that I totally agree with you. I have been walking with Christ for 3 years now, quite a remarkable conversion and a full on thirst for studying the truth. I have never been quite able to pin point what my belief is called as I don't believe in any of the majority of different beliefs. I totally believe in free will and God's sovereignty. That Jesus died for all that believe, and that we are not saved by works but by grace alone. Christ did it all for us. However I do believe true salvation produces good works, as the bible also shows we will be rewarded for the work we do. 1 Corinthians 3:14-15 KJV - If any man's work abide which he hath built thereupon, he shall receive a reward. If any man's work shall be burned, he shall suffer loss: but he himself shall be saved; yet so as by fire. I have never believed we can lose our salvation as too much scripture proves we can't but I believe we can be deceived in thinking we are saved. Jesus tells us you will know them by their fruits. Then of course there is Matthew 7:20-23. So now I believe I have finally found a name for my belief, Provisionism. Thank you. I don't believe anyone in the UK is using that title for their belief and as I am just about to open my own church, I am going to promote that belief and obviously your name for creating that. God bless you, take care.
@KISStheSON...
10 ай бұрын
"However I do believe true salvation produces good works, as the bible also shows we will be rewarded for the work we do." Please don't become a "fruit inspector"...a believer can be overwhelmed with addiction and you would never know they are saved but God knows who are His because they were sealed with His Spirit after they believed the testimony of His Son. If you continue reading Matthew 7 you will notice that Jesus will say he never knew the people who did "wonderful works" in His name. It is those people who are being deceived into believing they are saved by their good works. We are saved unto good works that we SHOULD WALK IN...however, some of the body will not walk which means they will lose rewards. Think of "fruit" as communication that comes out of our mouths so that others can "eat" it and gain the knowledge of the truth unto salvation, rather than thinking of fruit as "good works". "Fruit" was served to Eve in the form of words that Eve saw were good for food to make one wise, and she did eat what the serpent served her. I believe that the "work" we do that will be rewarded is the work we let the Spirit do through the use of our vessel as His tool. All we have to do is let Him do all the talking, and we will get rewarded for that 😊 Welcome to the family 💌
@servant2Christ
10 ай бұрын
@@KISStheSON... Amen I completely agree with that.1 Corinthians 3:13-15 KJV - Every man's work shall be made manifest: for the day shall declare it, because it shall be revealed by fire; and the fire shall try every man's work of what sort it is. If any man's work abide which he hath built thereupon, he shall receive a reward. If any man's work shall be burned, he shall suffer loss: but he himself shall be saved; yet so as by fire. Because you have a new heart, you will want to do good things, not feel you have to. Ezekiel 36:26-27 KJV - A new heart also will I give you, and a new spirit will I put within you: and I will take away the stony heart out of your flesh, and I will give you an heart of flesh. And I will put my spirit within you, and cause you to walk in my statutes, and ye shall keep my judgments, and do [them].
@KISStheSON...
10 ай бұрын
@@servant2Christ Good morning! The Ezekiel chapter you sent is said to and about the house of Israel. It is not for the age we are in right now. We must always consider the audience. Israel's heart has grown callused because they embraced the traditions of their fathers which is "adultery" with the wisdom of men "Sophia". There will come a time when God gives them a new heart and gives them their promised kingdom on earth for 1000 years. Reread the whole Chapter...I hope this helps you💌
@servant2Christ
10 ай бұрын
@@KISStheSON... Yes I know all about Sophia, the mystery babylon the harlot in religions today who is deceiving most christians in churches, music and entertainment. Yes I know the chapter and it's content. Does God?Jesus not put His spirit in you, and cause you to walk in His ways? Why did God punish the Jews if He predestined them to kill Christ? They can only do what God predestined them to do surely. Are we not sewn into the tree? Part of God's family now. And put my Spirit within you, is Jesus. And the word became flesh. Jesus is in us and causes us to walk in His ways. Matthew 24:25-26/Genesis 1:2
@jeanpommes
9 ай бұрын
11:48 “One, [you] reject the sovereignity of God because deep down the reality itself as it really exists in the world is ugly or abhorrent to you.” Wait, is Piper’s saying that if one finds it “ugly and abhorrent” that “sovereignty” results in controlling people to rape, murder, rob, etc., one is rebelling against God? Am I hearing him right?
@Dilley_G45
10 ай бұрын
God says certain things are immoral. Calvinists say God determines everything. So even if I don't wanna see a prostitute God will make me do it. So God can cause me to sin against my will
@screwball1010
10 ай бұрын
Only channel on KZitem with 30 minute shorts😂
@mmtas1995
6 ай бұрын
The Calvinist leaders remind me of this: But woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! For you shut up the kingdom of heaven against men; for you neither go in yourselves, nor do you allow those who are entering to go in.
@lindajohnson4204
2 ай бұрын
Maybe when we accept that God is not trustworthy, the "faith" and "fervor" that we can drum up is lukewarm at best. Faith is more than emotional; it is spiritual. So is lukewarmness. We can't love a person we are disappointed with, who is not as good as we thought, the same way we loved them before. With the heart we believe unto righteousness; that us spiritual, not merely emotional. Emotions are involved in the knowledge and expression of it, but it is spiritual in nature. If we can no longer trust God, or if weve been tricked into no longer trusting Him, it sure takes the feevor out of our love.
@thelordshousechurch
10 ай бұрын
It’s amazing to me the insistence of many Calvinists that their interpretation of scripture and their unwavering adoption of their systematic view has to be correct regardless of the clear disastrous implications of said claims. The presupposition that the interpretation MUST be right. It’s like building a desk from ikea upside down and saying “it’s a mystery as to why it’s built this way but that’s the way it has to be built”. Or maybe you read the instruction manual wrong?
@lcs-salam
9 ай бұрын
"According to His good pleasure" is a pretty important phrase to define so that the exercise of God's sovereignty is also properly defined. Claiming that Psalm 115:16 teaches man's will is outside God's sovereign control is foreign to the text.
@Pooki-z6x
10 ай бұрын
It always comes back to blaming the individual . It's the same with any false teaching be it WOF or NAR. Thanks Leighton really enjoy all your videos
@dw6528
10 ай бұрын
*SOCRATES DISCOVERS CALVINIST INTELLIGENCE* Calvinist: Did you know that Calvin's god determines every impulse that will come to pass in the human brain? Socrates: I've heard that is stipulated in Calvinist doctrine. Calvinist: Unfortunately - some Calvinists have different predispositions than others about that fact. Socrates: Well! Given the doctrine stipulates every impulse in your brain is determined by antecedent factors outside of your brains control - it should be obvious any predisposition that comes to pass within your brain is going to be likewise. Calvinist: Our leaders are concerned about it - and will admonish Calvinists to change their predispositions. Socrates: WHAT? How do you change an impulse in your brain which was decreed to infallibly be there - and decreed to be infallibly unchangeable? Calvinist: We Calvinists hold ourselves fully responsible for our predispositions. Socrates: AH I See! You hold yourself responsible for that which a supernatural being makes infallibly come to pass. And you hold yourself responsible for changing that which is infallibly unchangeable. How is that working-out for you? Calvinist: Oh its working divinely! Socrates: I'll bet it is! :-D
@christopheregolf7134
10 ай бұрын
When reading the greek, the word 'pas' appears many times, how can we accurately decern when it means all (everybody, inclusive) or some of all types. Context isn't always very clear it seems. Curious specifically on John 3:16 and 1 Tim 2: 1-6.
@Jebron_G
10 ай бұрын
How could anyone pass judgment on what God had decreed??
@R.L.KRANESCHRADTT
10 ай бұрын
While I agree with and appreciate his opposition to the social evils of society, John MacArthur is most fortunate to have been decreed by God to become very popular and $uccessful by criticizing so many other things which God has also decreed. I'm always amused at Calvinists opposition to abortion when their doctrine is specific that every abortion only occurs because God has unchangeably ordained it before the foundation of the world. You'd think they'd rejoice to see God's will done in the earth.... even his 'double-probationary-super-duper-secret-will'🤔
@Jebron_G
10 ай бұрын
@R.L.KRANESCHRADTT Great point. However, they can't rejoice because they want to pretend they are sad and that they really care. May be deep down, they rejoice for every predetermined and decreed abortion, murder, rape...etc
@TheFinalJigsaw
10 ай бұрын
@@R.L.KRANESCHRADTT God has predestined sin. But he hates it.
@R.L.KRANESCHRADTT
10 ай бұрын
@@TheFinalJigsaw Interesting. The Calvinist position is that God has, in fact, ordained/decreed whatsoever occurs... and he does this for his own 'good pleasure'. This seem to contradict your comment. Does God decree evil which you say he 'hates'... for his own 'good pleasure'? Does this mean God predestined/ordained Jeffry Dahmer's appetite and his cannibalism which he hated, and yet He did so for his own pleasure?
@sheilasmith7779
10 ай бұрын
Sovereignty is God's absolute POWER......to do anything. That's it. Sovereignty does not define HOW God uses His power....only that God is sovereign. Genesis 3, gives us the details of God, and of the humans He created.
@arkrainflood
10 ай бұрын
just a nitpick: to do anything .....................according to HIS nature, which is not to sin.
@sheilasmith7779
10 ай бұрын
@arkrainflood Yes, God's nature made clear throughout Genesis, but particularly Gen: 3 If a soverign God, does not want us to have a choice, between obedience and disobedience, He would have created Adam and Eve, incapable of disobedience (sin) but God didn't. The evidence of God's nature and human nature is in scripture. Cavinists....read the stories.
@sheilasmith7779
10 ай бұрын
@arkrainflood NOT to nitpick either, but Augustine, and later John Calvin, got hung up on the origins of evil. They reached the wrong conclusion. Of the many human characteristics God created is desire. But God put no limit on desire, in Adam and Eve, and all the humans after. Abel desired to please God. Cain desired to please himself. Again, all the evidence is in scripture. Noah, desired to please God, (described as "righteous") the rest of humanity desired only earthly pleasures and were destroyed. Good Bereans are good detectives letting the evidence lead to the conclusion.
@SB-zl7mm
8 ай бұрын
Reinke starts with complete determinism and just jumps into free will whether he realized it or not 1:30-1:40. He wrongly defines God’s sovereignty as complete dictation of every action. But then he asks the question, “Why does God’s sovereignty (which in his definition is complete determinism) make some people be more active and others more apathetic?” It’s complete nonsense because if he accepts his own definition, there is no choice of doing anything. Everything simply just what it is and there’s no option for anyone to do anything by choice. If one man shares that gospel with every creature he sees, it’s because God determined it. If another man sits on his couch all day every day and buries his “talent” in the sand. It’s because God determined that also.
@MyRoBeRtBaKeR
8 ай бұрын
What is sin? To eat from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil after being told not to by God. Its enmity with God. Sin was not created but was a result of disobedience to ones authority.
@mkathrynblacker5960
7 ай бұрын
Demonstratably does sound better. LOL My girls have told me for years that 'funner' is not a word, but I insist that it is... Or it should be. 😂
@blackeyedturtle
8 ай бұрын
The first time I heard a Calvinist explain Calvinism, I found it extremely limited God's sovereignty. Their belief system renders G-d with a very impotent form of sovereignty and power. To say that God preordained every action of mankind, is extremely more limiting than a God that fulfills His divine purposes, despite the free choice disobedience and cross purposes of humanity. If one is to fully parse out the Calvinist's doctrine of sovereignty, God literally set everything in motion prior to the foundation of the material universe, and then sat back as it unfolds according to His preset dictates. It contradicts Jesus statement, Joh 5:17 But Jesus answered them, My Father worketh hitherto, and I work.
@paultrosclair1775
10 ай бұрын
The reason it fuels apathy is because that is exactly what the devil designed Calvinism to do
@MyRoBeRtBaKeR
8 ай бұрын
Do they not understand LOVE? Love does not control. If your love controls others then it's not love at all.
@TAdler-ex8px
10 ай бұрын
Calvinism seems to put God to the test.
@jackblakely5431
10 ай бұрын
Does universal atonement lead to universalism ? If Christ died for everyone shouldn’t everyone go to heaven if their sins has been paid for ?
@yvonnedoulos8873
10 ай бұрын
Is there or has there ever been a consistent Calvinist who would answer the question posed in Piper’s broadcast with ‘Because God sovereignly decreed it to be so.’? Or are all Calvinists simply inconsistent in their theology? Seems to me that Piper wouldn’t have much of a program if the answer to people’s question was always, ‘Because God sovereignly decreed it to be so.’.
@JD10503
10 ай бұрын
I would.
@shredhed572
10 ай бұрын
Piper was once asked why so many calvinists are so mean sprited, nasty. He said it was because the people God "elects" tends to be that kind of person. Wow! Must be awesome to speak in circles in such a way that is unfalsifiable and unproveable as well. Even MORE awesome to be able to SELL that garbage to so many.😅
@3rsullivan
10 ай бұрын
@@shredhed572 yeah.. that is something.. God only elects people who are mean spirited and nasty.. ok... With a God like that, who needs Satan... I mean seriously..
@rogeliosalazar4103
10 ай бұрын
It’s funny that people take the sovereignty of God and call it something else or give it a different meaning because of there lack of understanding or ability to read scripture plainly and see what it is truly saying despite emotionalism.
@TimothyFish
10 ай бұрын
I don't think that works. The word "sovereignty" isn't in the Bible, so it's already a shorthand for our understanding of something the Bible says about God. It's quite possible to have a different understanding of what the Bible says and use the same shorthand word, but it is confusing if we use that word in discussion.
@carolinelvsewe
10 ай бұрын
Very elitist that JP has it all correct and everyone that disagrees has not been granted the same status with God. There is no humbling here with this view. That’s what it is his opinion. Forget the lofty explanations. I absolutely bow to the King of Kings. I will NOT bow to someone’s OPINION 😊
@japheth7000
10 ай бұрын
John Piper is not saved.
@your_name_here2158
10 ай бұрын
To Leighton Flowers and the Texas Baptist School he is from, Greetings, Shalom I would like to know, does the school you teach at have an asynchronus online degree program? Also, are you aware of how much it might cost to do a BA or MA online assuming they do? I'm considering some options and have found myself feeling more of a calling to ministry in the past year.
@nyamyaphilemon4929
10 ай бұрын
I notice Leighton flowers didn't comment on the verses Piper read inorder to establish what sovereignty is according to Scripture . It's easy to say sovereignty means God rules and reigns. But how does the bible explain that. He rules and reigns over the king's heart, the die cast into the lot, Evey single creature. Even the hairs on our head. We must define every word biblically. It's also strange to notice Leighton only points to the doing part of Philippians 2. God works to "Will" and to "do" according to his good pleasure
@AR-rz3tk
8 ай бұрын
It is easy to become frustrated at Calvinists. That said, we must remain patient and winsome. If one is truly born again, one places Christ on the altar if their heart. So , we trust in His sovereign grace to reveal the faulty views of Calvinistic religion.
@mickknight6963
10 ай бұрын
These people are like the Crusaders in the movie, "The Kingdom of Heaven" with Orlando Bloom! A serious movie, but my oldest son and I have laughed at them for years. Lol...in the movie, anything the christian army wanted to do or to be true, one guy would just shout out, "GOD WILLS IT!! And then everybody had to shout together, "GOD WILLS IT!" And that was it, game over! And if you tried to say anything against it, you were concidered a heretic and could get killed, like in a really bad way! Well....here they are...lol. He is teaching directly AGAINST his own teaching like crazy! He says "some people can be neglectful or resistant to the teaching", and "need to humble themselves". That would imply free-will. Why does he have to say it, if God is controlling it? God does will much for us, but WE MUST OBEY...OR NOT. It's so simple, why can't they see this? And that we are doing absolutely no damage to the sovereignty of God! At all.
@ethicsexistentialism4191
3 ай бұрын
Praise and thanks for you patience and persistence on this subject Leighton!! I tried to convince another You Tuber against predetermination by sending them your videos. They told be you were poison and likely an undercover Jesuit 😂
@robusc4940
10 ай бұрын
Off topic ? Paul NOT our Apostle ? Someone forgot to tell Christ, Luke, Peter and the other Apostles:) Acts 9:15, Acts 13:2, Rom 11:13, Rom 15:16, Gal 2:7-9, 2 Pet 3:15-16. Paul AS CHOSEN by Christ is OUR Apostle NOW, case closed :)
@IdolKiller
10 ай бұрын
First
@ericfisher1360
10 ай бұрын
Thats some nonsense!!!
@jonnyrose6469
10 ай бұрын
How do we know that it’s really YOU Idol Killer and not a cool AI video tool that you’ve been using recently! 😅
@matthewtheron2505
10 ай бұрын
Must have been determined... 🙄
@DamonNomad82
10 ай бұрын
OK, Diotrephes! (3 John verse 9, NIV)
@alonzomccloud4530
3 ай бұрын
Just like you do with bible, what ever sounds good.
@KISStheSON...
10 ай бұрын
Please PONDER what I am about to serve you 😊 Debates and teaching have no power according to the false doctrine of determinism. Debating and teaching have a purpose. Debating and teaching have no purpose without willing students. It's SO SIMPLE if you LET yourself SEE it: John 6:45 “It is written in the prophets, And they shall be ALL TAUGHT of God. Every man therefore that hath heard, and hath LEARNED of the FATHER cometh unto ME.” See it? It's right there! Teach: GIVE information about or instruction in (a subject or skill). Learn: gain or ACQUIRE knowledge of or skill in (something) by study, experience, or being taught. Come: move or TRAVEL TOWARD or into a place thought of as near or familiar to the speaker. Please listen carefully: Believers receive the Holy Spirit. The Holy Spirit causes believers to WALK TOWARDS unbelievers to make God known so that unbelievers are able to then AQUIRE the knowledge of God and TURN from their companions and WALK TOWARD the Father through the knowledge of what is being declared unto them. Proverbs 13:20 “He that WALKETH with wise men shall be wise: but a companion of fools shall be destroyed.” Ezekiel 33:8 “When I say unto the wicked, O wicked man, thou shalt surely die; if thou dost not speak to WARN the wicked from his way, that wicked man shall die in his iniquity; but his blood will I require at thine hand.” Ezekiel 33:11 “Say unto them, As I live, saith the Lord GOD, I have no pleasure in the death of the wicked; but that the wicked TURN from his way and live: turn ye, turn ye from your evil ways; for why will ye die, O house of Israel?” Colossians 1:28,29 "Whom we preach, WARNING every man, and TEACHING every man in all wisdom; that we may present every man perfect IN Christ Jesus: Whereunto I also labour, striving according to his working, which worketh in me mightily." 🦾🔨 Colossians 4:5 “Walk in wisdom toward them that are without/OUTSIDE, redeeming the time.” One last lesson for you to acquire: If you take notice to the verses above, you will be able to understand that people/believers with the Holy Spirit WALKED toward those of us who were OUTSIDE of Christ to WARN us and TEACH us the way to know God and when we UNDERSTOOD the way and ACCEPTED the way, we then gained ACCESS to the grace of God wherein we now STAND in hope of glory IN Christ and were then TAUGHT to WALK towards sinners who are OUTSIDE of Christ so that we may present ALL MEN IN CHRIST because OUTSIDE of Christ sinners are IMPERFECT, but IN Christ they are made PERFECT and ACCEPTABLE.......if we do not warn them, their blood is on our hands, oh, and if we do not warn them that is only because we CHOOSE to WALK in the flesh, not in the Spirit as we were TAUGHT. Believer walks toward the unbeliever to make God known which enables them to acquire the knowledge that will make them wise unto salvation causing them to turn from the companions of fools they gave their ears to who are walking to hell and death with "Sophia" (the wisdom of the world). Proverbs 5 5 Her feet go down to death; her steps take hold on hell. 6 Lest thou shouldest PONDER the path of life, her ways are moveable, that thou canst not know them. 7 Hear me now therefore, O ye children, and depart not from the words of my mouth. 8 Remove thy way far from her, and COME NOT NIGH not nigh the door of her house: Ponder: think about (something) carefully, especially before making a decision or reaching a conclusion. P.S. Please stop BLAMING God because you SWALLOWED the wrong definition of sovereignty that was SERVED to you by FALSE TEACHERS who failed to put on the full armor of God to enable them to stand against the wiles of the devil....because if you swallow a false doctrine, it will carry you away unless you humble yourself at any time and allow yourself to PURGE what you swallowed...I know it hurts, been there and done that, but the truth is worth the pain ❣ Love ya 💌
@mickknight6963
10 ай бұрын
GOOD WORD, SIS! Ya just wanna get them and hand feed them all this good food from the word of God so they'll see it and be free! Hey, when traveling and preaching as an evangelist, i used to preach a message on soulwinning from Acts 20. I always preached that those verses in Ezekiel 3 & also 33 are what Paul was referring to in his talk with the elders in Acts 20:17-38. You can just hear his heart. He knew he was not long for this world. In Acts 20:25-27, he says, 25 "And now, behold, I know that ye all, among whom I have gone preaching the kingdom of God, shall see my face no more. 26 Wherefore I take you to record this day, that I am pure from the blood of all men. 27 For I have not shunned to declare unto you all the counsel of God." Their blood is not on his hands because he told them the gospel. And here is what he told them; 20 "And how I kept back nothing that was profitable unto you, but have shewed you, and have taught you publicly, and from house to house, 21 Testifying both to the Jews, and also to the Greeks, repentance toward God, and faith toward our Lord Jesus Christ." Repentance toward God and faith in our Lord Jesus Christ! Plus and minus nothing! Jesus! He preached for a decision. Why would blood be on his hands, if God would overpower them to come to Christ? How could blood ever be on our hands if it is all up to God to regenerate people in order to cause them to repent and believe? It makes no sense. This Calvinistic bog these folks are trapped in is so destructive. Lord bless you. I've seen and appreciate your page and your teaching posts and your heart for souls! Keep it up, sis, good word! ☝️✌️
@mickknight6963
10 ай бұрын
Also, YES, Col. 1:28-29 is a favorite soulwinning passage that is so powerful! "...WARNING EVERY MAN, ...TEACHING EVERY MAN, ...that we may PRESENT EVERY MAN PERFECT IN CHRIST" Ya gotta have help to miss it! And they are getting a lot of help! ☝️
@eriste7879
Ай бұрын
Using this Calvinist definition of sovereignty… How is rebellion even possible?
@servant2Christ
10 ай бұрын
1 Kings: 21 Ahab asked Naboth for his vineyard and said he would pay him or give him another, but Naboth refused. Ahab got very upset and his wife Jezebel stepped in and had Naboth killed so Ahab could have the vineyard. Ahab then went to the vineyard which incited God to punish him through Elijah. But Ahab repented, tore his clothes and then God forgave him. God is not a God of confusion. If it was God's will already decided, before that Ahab would have Naboth killed and then be punished, Why did God then forgive him once Ahab repented? Predestination falls apart so many times. God is not a God of confusion.
@doulos9828
10 ай бұрын
Did God know Ahab would ultimately repent before he actually repented?
@servant2Christ
10 ай бұрын
@@doulos9828 There's a difference in knowing and controlling. If my child does something terrible due to an irrational moment of bad decisions, and I tell them, what you have done is going to cause serious consequences on you and many others, and knowing the heart of of my child, I know they will apologise and make a mends, is that me forcing my child to apologise? or knowing my child will apologise?
@doulos9828
10 ай бұрын
@@servant2Christ it almost sounds like you're suggesting Ahab was a child of God and not a Baal worshipper who did great evil in the sight of Yahweh... Naboth was already murdered (God attributes this murder to Ahab v.19) when Ahab heard the pronouncement of judgment against him and humbled himself before God afterward. This passage says nothing about God forgiving Ahab, only that God acknowledged Ahab's humility and would not bring the disaster against his house while Ahab was alive. And not one thing changed in the prophecy that God had spoken against Ahab through Elijah. If you want to consider Ahab's predestination: “In the place where the dogs licked up the blood of Naboth, the dogs will lick up your [Ahab's] blood, yours as well.”’ 1 Kings 21:19 "They washed out the chariot by the pool of Samaria, and the dogs licked up his [Ahab's] blood (it was there that the prostitutes bathed themselves) in accordance with the word of the Lord which He had spoken." 1 Kings 22:38
@servant2Christ
10 ай бұрын
@@doulos9828 i don't believe in predestination, and it was his son that worshipped baal. Says that Ahab was buried with his fathers in city of David.
@doulos9828
10 ай бұрын
@@servant2Christyour belief or disbelief in predestination is irrelevant, brother. It is what Scripture teaches. And you apparently don't know what scripture teaches about Ahab either. _"Ahab the son of Omri did evil in the sight of the Lord more than all who were before him._ _And as though it had been a trivial thing for him to walk in the sins of Jeroboam the son of Nebat, he married Jezebel the daughter of Ethbaal king of the Sidonians, AND WENT AND SERVED BAAL, AND WORSHIPED HIM._ _So he erected an altar for Baal at the house of Baal, which he built in Samaria._ _Ahab also made the Asherah._ _So Ahab did more to provoke the Lord God of Israel to anger than all the kings of Israel who were before him."_ *1 Kings **16:30**-33*
@ChristopherAlsruhe-si9ff
9 ай бұрын
Which is more dangerous: Calvinism? or Dispensationalism? Calvinism is more fatalistic than any so-called fatalistic philosophy.
@jg4x
10 ай бұрын
I’m only half way through this video but want to say, although I am in agreement with Leighton doctrinally (non-Calvinist), I think it’s important that we define our terms based on scripture, not dictionaries written by non-Christians which we can’t expect to include an alternate definition shared by a huge subset of evangelical Christians.
@flman9684
10 ай бұрын
Sovereign/Sovereignty is not even a Bible term, yet freewill is. I know that many of you view the KJV only brethren in a negative light, but the new versions are directly tied to the resurgence of Calvinism. Their "version" of choice being the ESV, which is heavily Calvinistic leaning. Please look into it with an open heart and learn the origins of the "oldest and best manuscripts" and link that to their philosophy and you start to see why they needed to start changing the greatest book ever given to man. The King James Bible!
@JESUS_Saves3747
28 күн бұрын
Dan 4:35: ³⁵ And all the inhabitants of the earth are reputed as nothing: and he doeth according to his will in the army of heaven, and among the inhabitants of the earth: and none can stay his hand, or say unto him, What doest thou?
@flman9684
28 күн бұрын
@FollowerOfTheLight2782 1 Timothy 2:4-6 KJV: "4 Who will (God's will) have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth. 5 For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus, 6 Who gave himself a ransom for all (all means all), to be testified in due time." It is God's will that all be saved, and the only begotten Son of God offered himself a ransom as the sinless, spotless lamb of God, and he is the Savior of the world. 1 Timothy 4:10 KJV: "For therefore we both labour and suffer reproach, because we trust in the living God, who is the Saviour of all men, specially of those that believe." The context of Daniel 4:35 is King Nebuchadnezzar proclaiming the most High God as being all powerful. He had just been brought to nothing for seven years because of his pride. He wasn't brought down because God ordained him to exalt himself, only to bring him down. He chose to be arrogant and prideful against God, and God brought him down. The very last word that Nebuchadnezzar spoke in chapter 4 are: "and those that walk in pride He is able to abase." How are all of us prideful and sinners if God ordained us to be so? We "choose" to rebel against him. Just as so many refuse to accept the finished work of Christ on Calvary's cross. God bless and may our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ bless you.
@martingagnon7631
10 ай бұрын
Does John Piper ever sound like the Word of Faith lot who blame the needy person when what they've been praying for dosen't happen because supposedly they don't have enough faith.
@dfischer5878
10 ай бұрын
Ugh
@icilahmb
4 ай бұрын
Leighton, have you scriptural-ally verified if in actuality Calvinist are our brothers?
@DamonNomad82
10 ай бұрын
When a Calvinist refers to God as "sovereign", what they actually mean (though 99.9% of them are ignorant of this and 100% will get upset when anyone points it out) is that He is "Zeus-like". This is because Calvinism is hyper-Augustinianism, and Augustinianism is a blend of distorted Christianity and pagan Greek philosophy, which presupposes gods that have the same sort of precarious, insecure and tyrannical authority that Calvinists imagine God to have.
@dw6528
10 ай бұрын
DW: Yes! When you say "Zeus-Like" I believe what you are seeing there is DUALISM. Almost all of the pagan gods are DUALISTIC Zeus for example - is the judge of all of the lesser gods - but will rape Europa for his good pleasure Pan - is the loving shepherd of the flock - but he also rapes the sheep for his good pleasure. Baal is the male counterpart of Asherah So all pagan deities are DUALISTIC And Calvin's god is also.
@T.Hydenberger
10 ай бұрын
From my recent research from Reformers on the Sovereignty of God, their position is unique from Provisionists who believe God is ever "learning" the actions of everyone based on their free will. They believe God never "learns" and always "knew."
@RR-ue4im
10 ай бұрын
God has for knowledge so how’s he learning ?
@T.Hydenberger
10 ай бұрын
@RR-ue4im Good question. I don't think He ever "learns" anything based on something somehow operating outside His reighning over them in creation. Wouldn't that be like a creature being a god that the creator God has to bend to, depending on the little gods unknown actions? Deep stuff to think on.
@gk.4102
10 ай бұрын
@@T.Hydenberger Once you remove Calvinism's lenses and realize that God is the one who sovereignly chose to give His moral creatures freewill and responsibility, then you realize how little sense the notion of "God bending to little gods" is. You'd also realize that it's in Calvinism that God "learns". Calvinism claims that God's knowledge COMES from His decrees; this implies that had God chosen to decree nothing, He'd be totally clueless and ignorant.
@toktik8715
10 ай бұрын
He doesn't learn (not sure why you use quotation marks for words whose definition is not in dispute) again, He doesn't learn, He knows. Also, as He is also outside of time, he never "knew" but knows! The question is only a good question if it leads you to the truth. Also, no big deal for me but only for your benefit, no 'h' in sovereignty and reigning. God bless you, my friend.
@seth101-hv4st
10 ай бұрын
No Provisionist believes that God is ever "learning". God must have determined for you to state that falsehood.
@christiankennedy2212
10 ай бұрын
1:53 He said "BELIEVERS," not "Calvinists." Hmmm, do I smell a strawman coming? Nonetheless, I'll keep listening.
@TheLincolnrailsplitt
10 ай бұрын
There isn't any problem with pronouncing demonstrably in the way do.
@TimothyFish
10 ай бұрын
He uses the word "demonstratably", which is spelled differently. We see a similar difference in words in the Bible. Is it "throughly furnished for every good work" or "thoroughly furnished for every good work?" Different translations come to a different conclusion.
@TheGuy..
10 ай бұрын
I love almost everything about this channel and how it exposes the errors of Calvinism. But, let's look at this definition again. Here's a definition of sovereign from The Free Dictionary by Farlex. It's the popular online dictionary app. 1. One that exercises supreme, permanent authority, especially in a nation or other governmental unit, as: a. A king, queen or other noble person who serves as chief of state; a ruler or monarch. b. A national governing council or committee. Could we apply this definition to God? No doubt, God has supreme and permanent authority. I would never deny that He can do anything that is logically coherent or anything that doesn't contradict His own nature. But notice that it uses the words exercises and permanent. If we are exercising our own choices, then it is a contradiction to say that God is exercising supreme and permanent authority if we are the ones exercising our own choices according to our own good pleasure. This makes the "God's sovereignty" definition appear to conflict with the standard definition of sovereign. Saying "God sovereignly created us with freewill" can be understood as a contradictory notion that conflicts with idea of a sovereign simultaneous with free-will beings. It appears that if God decrees that He will not or is not determining our free choices, then He is relinquishing His sovereignty and we are now living or "exercising" our own sovereignty. God's sovereignty is not actually "exercising permanent authority", as the original definition describes, over our free choices. We are now the one's exercising or doing things according to our own good pleasure. This fits well with Calvinists since they use God's sovereignty as an excuse for God not choosing some to be saved (even though God has appeared bringing salvation to all men). Whoever shaped the definition of "God's sovereignty" inserts biblical passages but notice that nowhere in those passages is the word κυρίαρχος (the Greek word for sovereign). Calvinists and non-Calvinists attempt to push their understood definition of a sovereign in order to continue using this word to describe God. But why do many non-Calvinists do that? It seems that we are so often raised with a teaching that we actually become "conditioned" to where we will do all that we can to "hang on" to this conditioning. It becomes a contest to become the one who owns the word sovereign. Let them have that word. We have better "Biblical" words. Try considering that it is the best thing to sever yourselves from this unbiblical word that often appears to make God out to being an unrelational being and a wickedly unfair being. Whenever people say "God is sovereign", I Always have to use Koukl's "what do you mean by sovereign, are you implying that you're a Calvinist?". I don't use that word because I don't want anyone to get the wrong idea about me. And, just consider how much time and effort is spent arguing over this word. When a Calvinist uses that word, tell them that you really know what they mean. Tell them that when they say God is sovereign that they are making God into a false God, one that really doesn't love all and doesn't really want all to be saved, that Christ didn't really die for all.
@JESUS_Saves3747
28 күн бұрын
Dan 4:35: ³⁵ And all the inhabitants of the earth are reputed as nothing: and he doeth according to his will in the army of heaven, and among the inhabitants of the earth: and none can stay his hand, or say unto him, What doest thou?
@Hemmah219
10 ай бұрын
How many videos has Leighton Flowers just made about Calvinism? When a believer resort to attacking fellow for the sake of fame and likes, then that is evil at its best. Flowers doesn't seem to consider a calvinist as brother in Christ. However, I would encourage you to make other videos about other matters too for the growth and edification of believers. Thanks
@katierucker2870
10 ай бұрын
He actually does consider Calvinists as his brothers in Christ. He’s talked about it in his other videos.
@KISStheSON...
10 ай бұрын
This is a channel dedicated to Soteriology because Leighton understands the dangers of Calvinism after coming out from under the hold it had on him. He does many other things elsewhere, but here it's about helping Calvinists get set free and helping other brothers and sisters from getting carried away and sucked into the false doctrine. 💌
@Hemmah219
10 ай бұрын
@@KISStheSON... It sounds the more like his sole focus is getting convert from Calvinists but is that really a God driven motives? Oh, do he even consider Calvinists as born again? Just because Satan was thrown from heaven to earth doesn't mean we should believe everything he tells about heaven. Thanks
@KISStheSON...
10 ай бұрын
@@Hemmah219 Yes, I do believe that it is a God-driven motive to help our brothers and sisters escape the false teachers they gave their ears to. Titus 1 10 For there are many unruly and vain talkers and deceivers, specially they of the circumcision: 11 Whose mouths must be stopped, who subvert whole houses, teaching things which they ought not, for filthy lucre's sake. 12 One of themselves, even a prophet of their own, said, The Cretians are alway liars, evil beasts, slow bellies. 13 This witness is true. Wherefore REBUKE THEM SHARPLY, THAT THEY MAY BE SOUND IN THE FAITH; 14 Not giving heed to Jewish fables, and commandments of men, that turn from the truth. 2 Timothy 4 2 Preach the word; be instant in season, out of season; reprove, rebuke, exhort with all longsuffering and doctrine. 3 For the time will come when they will not ENDURE SOUND DOCTRINE; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears; 4 And they shall TURN AWAY THEIR EARS, and shall be turned unto fables. The god of Calvinism is a monster in a fable. For the Calvinists to TURN unto fables we as the body become WEAKENED which is exactly what Satan does to believers because he knows he already lost us. All Satan can do after we become believers is send his little minions to cause division for the purpose of causing confusion and division to weaken the body and to cause us to look unappealing to the outside world so they don't consider give heed to the way of salvation from hell and death. Can you see it? Satan first tries to keep us blind, but after we give head to a teacher with sound doctrine which makes us wise unto salvation, he then loses us which makes him hate us even more, so he is sure to send his ministers to corrupt our minds so that we aren't able minister sound doctrine to unbelievers to make them wise unto salvation. It's really simple if you think about it.
@Hemmah219
10 ай бұрын
@@KISStheSON... examine yourself to see if you are in faith. Many professing christians are going to rot in hell for they won't believe Christ but trust in Leighton Flowers or Calvinists arguments. Sorry to say this, I am not a theologian and not a prophet but it will surely be so.
@TheJpep2424
10 ай бұрын
You reject God's sovereignty. God is helpless to save without man's choice. Man is sovereign in your salvation.
@awesomefacepalm
10 ай бұрын
Did you listen to the video? He straight up explains what sovereignty is, and what it's not. Sovereignty is not determinism. But if sovereignty is determinism then it's impossible to reject it because we do everything they way God wants it.
@doulos9828
10 ай бұрын
_“All the inhabitants of the earth are of no account, But He does according to His will among the army of heaven And among the inhabitants of earth; And no one can fend off His hand Or say to Him, ‘What have You done?’"_ *Daniel 4:35*
@gabrielbridges9709
10 ай бұрын
And here’s your error on predestination. You doctrine of predestined makes the definition of the word synonymous with foreknowledge. So according to your logic God foreknows people according to His foreknowledge, sounds redundant right. Predestination literally means a pre determined destiny. So God has a pre determined destiny according to His foreknowledge. You don’t have a doctrine of predestination but and out right denial of it.
@shredhed572
10 ай бұрын
Don't confuse them (calvinists) with the facts (of scripture)😅
@gabrielbridges9709
10 ай бұрын
@@shredhed572 like what facts of scripture, trust me scripture isn’t on your side. That’s why leighton has to make a whole channel to constantly defend his position because he doesn’t speak the truth and the truth speaks for itself. But based on your I’ll informed opinion. What’s the difference in predestination and foreknowledge? What is the definition of predestination? Do you even know?
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