How Physicists Proved The Universe Isn't Locally Real - Nobel Prize in Physics 2022 EXPLAINED

Ok but I laughed out loud

That's funny

"Gambling and Nobel Prize For Physics" in 6-min explains flaw in that prove.

@damyr Therefore, illusions. Conscious reality is a quantum system. Our mind is in a superposition where all things are possible. However, as we start determining quantum states, we lose free will, and reality becomes determined. That's why the scenario is impossible for you but not for me. Just beware that a determined reality makes you a slave to someone. If the system has to be drastically changed and you can't adapt, they will sacrifice you to maintain their system.

@ADU Aquascaping sorry i don't understand what are you ask me for.

​@damyr What does it mean to exist if not to observe?

​@moran a'amekh What does it mean to exist if not to observe?

​@Simon Wallstenius What does it mean to exist if not to observe?

@Bob N. Frapples Everything in physics is built up on concepts. Even getting the degree. :'D

​@HypliX' AI is Artificial Intelligence

Do you really think you have all the answers being an “expert” ?

@Matt Smith dr who!

hahaha....I should have had a V8 🤣🤣

@David Vaughn no, and my spelling is crap. but ask yourself which is more likely that light like everything else slows down, or that our planet somehow affected stars travel billions of years away before our planet existed?

Bedreviter is one word, not two. Sorry, couldn’t help myself 😀

@David Vaughn a quick typo doesn’t matter, bedre viter

@chris Oakey are you claiming to be a physicist? Because you're spelling "lose" incorrectly 😂😂😂

the beautiful example of how physicists loose track on reality. this type of detachment from reality. this is how hubbles constant was seen as relative to us, instead of relative to light slowing over time (around 0.5mm/s/year). Schrodinger's cat is miss understood as that it is both stages. his actual point was our knowledge of the cat being alive or dead doesn't change the fact that it is alive or dead.

Are you Religious?

😆

Oh I see, I tried to pick up a bowl on the counter, and it kept evading me, scooting accross the counter, just out of reach..that must have been Mathew. Mystery solved.

but when it starts on its side, does it still fall over?

Qqqq

​@Michael Clark Agree! If this is the case then what exactly are we?? A simulation?

Comment that i was looking for 😃

Same bro

same dude :D maybe if im reincarnated as a phycisit

I'm still trying to wrap my head around the theory that the universe doesn't exist and therefore we don't exist.

Why are you telling us that you an an unemployed guy who didn't pay attention in high school science class? ;-)

​@magnanimousmartyr421 Your own need for understanding limits your ability to actually understand. It's simply what is more convenient to yourself rather than what is true. It's our nature to understand, though ultimately this isn't important so feel free to leave it be yourself.

@Magnanimous Martyr the thing is, that even those ideas are way above my head and those of the most people on earth and very often they are counterintuitive to our own daily experience they are actually impacting our lifes. Many modern inventions that you and i use on a daily basis like LEDs, electronics or even behavior of things in nature can only be explained by these concepts. And we are also using them to actually make our lifes better, weather its better TV screens, medical equipment, etc. So it actually has an high impact on your life And i think its quite interesting to try to explain those concepts to an broader audience, the problem ist that often concepts are only really logical in an mathematical sense, but that does not mean its not real or meaningless. Altough you can of course argue weather every new postulated particle in modern particel physics for example is really necessary but thats a whole different debate and you dont get a nobel price for some random theory. Thats the reason why the nobel price seems often a bit late for some topics

Well you seem like the smartest person here, have a cookie....

It's from the movie "Inecption"

lmao

NEXT IS GOD MODE

ALI G would be proud!

@Pocnit Jesus loves you and He has a purpose and a plan for your life. He wants you to trust Him. God bless you and have a great day!

@Christian Soldier I recommend 79% dark chocolate.

That actually would make a very intriguing hypothesis if you could find a way to formulate a test and gather results. Interesting idea.

@Moneybagzzz probably less

We probably know as much about the universe as an ant does about the planet Earth.

…almost as if analysis is a creative force?

@Ur'Quan I had a theory of the same...some subcontractors or different aliens jump onto the sim to create things. Different minds create different things. Some are artists...just look at the bird of paradise for example and then take the most bland example of an animal into our existence. We also have a boost every once in awhile as in the form of a genius.

@TheeRandomDude seems like this sim added God as to limit our collective minds. What better way is there than to divide intelligence.

@Emmanuel Aparicio Amen 🙏

@AJ R Absolutely! You are blessed my brother! I pray to see you on the other side! God is with you; by His Spirit; to empower you! Only be strong and courageous; and be anxious for nothing. He will lead you into the fullness of truth - in Jesus name!

I think that may be convoluted logic!

Ok now it makes sense.

@TRS Juan

What reality is and how it behaves cannot be understood , it can only be experienced to a greater or lesser degree .

Yeah really weird

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@David Lafleche Existence, not consciousness, is metaphysically primary. Consciousness (eg, God) is metaphysically passive.

@David Lafleche Distinguishing reality from ones consciousness of reality is a real need of mans life. Reality is real, is what it is, eternal, independent of consciousness and is entities that act in ways dependent on the entities that act. Change is definite matter definitely changing from one definite form to another.

@TeaParty1776 I'd say that everything is real. There are three ways to judge reality: surprise, continuity and change.

Yes the dream realm is just as real as the 3d realm in the sephiorths it is the 2nd realm in the tree of life

My old boss used to say “ don’t put your self down other people will try to do that leave it to them “ Always stayed with me!miss working with you Alan.

@MM but we try to , thats cool 😎

@Dr Ben Miles I think one of the biggest problems is thinking that it is sending information... it is not. There is no such thing as objective reality in order to have objective reality you need to have an observer that exists from the beginning of time all the way to the end of time and the end of time has not came yet so therefore objective reality does not exist only subjective reality everything is subjective even the most fundamental particles has fluctuations that we cannot measure everything is constantly changing all observations are subjective. The problem is if you think that there can be something happening without an observer eventually and observer observes that happening so it's a logical fallacy. It's physically impossible everything is subjective there is no objective reality. There was a study done on London cab drivers who were the best at their job and memorized every route they all had similar brain structure and when they watch the progress of someone learning all these routes and by the time they were just as good as the other Masters of their craft the developed very similar brain structure think about this for a second this was thought changing three-dimensional structures. You are living in a illusion Kaleidoscope reality to forget the fact that you are the singularity AKA The Big Bang AKA God completely alone and all encompassing.

Having 5 or 6 10mm tools ,. Yes they do stuff in QM mode.

@Teddie I wouldn't doubt it lol

They communicate with 10mm spanners.

@Archana Kumari Dasgupta 😂😂

Haiin?? Yea sure, ill be france in 5 minutes.

David Bohm's 'Implicate Order' maybe?

Yeah, I think ur right. I watched a video, although I do not remember what exactly was said or the reasoning behind it. The only thing I remember is most of the video was about string theory and the strange experiment. Where they shoot out particles? Onto a slab/wall, with 2 opened slits in the middle. They then said exactly what u did, basically... That when they disappear, they would go to other dimensions, and not really 'disappear'.

@The Wise Owl yeah I think they're called virtual particles, but they annihilite right after poping into existence

Particles randomly appear and disappear?

Yep!!!!!

@Verum Just a measurement

@G What exactly is "observation" here?

@Guts Well yeah, random and undetermined mean the same thing in a lot of cases. But in this particular context: A random state would be a singular state that has been randomly chosen out of many, while an undetermined state is comprised of all possible states existing at the same time.

This brings the question of what is capable of observing? The universe existed before humans so who was observing before humans? Animals? What level of consciousness and deeper thinking constitutes as observation in the universe and what was going on before? Sorry so many questions I’m just interested in what you’re saying and I often manifest using the core idea of the Schrodinger‘s cat experiment. Was wondering your thoughts

if the universe is in a superposition and only becomes real when you observe, that makes you the only person in your universe, and the fact that you were born without knowledge learned about the people, world the universe who were there long before you can actually observe those things, and the knowledge you have comes from it not viseversa, means the universe is real. or else you are the universe itself according to this Quantum theory

@jasonarmstrong3463 makes a legitimately interesting point here. All 8 (at the time I read this) replies are also legitimate responses, so thanks to all for the feedback. I would say that in particular the responses by @slipcaseslitpace896 and @a_diamond struck me as being somewhat enlightening in the philosophical sense. In a bit of a summary ... The terms Real and Realism as used in this video (and indeed, in John Bell's 1964 paper, over which all the hub-bub is about) don't have anything to do with whether or not the Universe is real in the sense of actually existing. It has to do with a certain philosophical Realist-like Flavor that Einstein instinctively wanted to have as a core aspect of any basic physics theory, and Einstein further stated that his sixth sense told him that perhaps Quantum Mechanics (as currently practiced then and now, and which he himself helped to invent) was perhaps incomplete - that is, there might be more *stuff* that we have yet to discover and that might lead to a better understanding of why the theory of quantum mechanics works so well in a practical sense. What emerged was what one might call a "philosophical battle" between Einstein's team (including Schroedinger, Podolsky, Rosen, and perhaps even John Bell to a certain extent) and Niels Bohr's team (including Heisenberg and practically everyone else). The so-called Realist team versus the Copenhagen Interpretation team (Bohr's team was initially centered at his lab in Copenhagen). For many years, the Copenhagen Interpretation seemed to win out in physicists mind share. But actually, starting shortly after Bell's paper was rediscovered (and even more so after the Bell-Test experiments by Clauser, Aspect, Zeilinger and more) lots of differing interpretations were put forth by many physics researchers (there's probably a dozen or more interpretations of Quantum Foundations, as the field of research is now called). I believe that initially, John Bell somewhat sympathized with the Einstein team, but in his work toward the Bell Theorem paper, he showed that the simplistic form of a Realism philosophy that Bell had chosen to represent the philosophical leanings of Einstein and his followers, actually led to a contradiction when you compared and contrasted it to the implications of Quantum Theory along with the seemingly innocuous assumption of no information travel faster than the speed of light. This contradiction essentially forms a proof-by-contradiction (that is, reductio-ad-absurdum proof) of something. What that something is, is still open to interpretation. Some people have made wild claims that it is possible for information to travel faster than the speed of light, but as this video points out, virtually everybody now agrees that the Locality Assumption (no faster-than-light causality or information travel) is not the assumption that should be thrown out to eliminate the contradiction. Most people currently point at the Realism assumption as the best candidate for assumption deserving of being thrown out. That is, most people think that Bell's Theorem is a disproof of Realism. But even if we go along with that trend, Bell's Theorem is only a disproof of the particular specific form of Realism assumption that Bell incorporates into his proof. It is not a sufficient disproof of Realism in general. We have not eliminated the possibility that some other slightly different flavor of Realism might exist that is, in fact, compatible with Quantum Mechanics. The key open question is, what other flavors of Realism assumption might exist that are still Realist in the sense that Einstein might say "yeah, that's what I'm talkin about!" - yet in principle (at least) might turn out to be consistent with the theory of Quantum Mechanics. My own sixth sense leans toward telling me that such an alternate expression of the Einstein-ish Realism sentiment does exist, but we just have not identified it yet; and that furthermore, the proper identification of such an alternate flavor of Realism would actually constitute the additional insights into how Quantum Theory actually works that Einstein sought. Also note that the subsequent experimental verification (by most prominently Clauser, Aspect and Zeilinger, with the help of many others) of the Bell's Theorem theoretical work that was was completed in 1964, does not explicitly prove that "no Realism assumption can exist that is compatible with Quantum Mechanics" (or equivalently, "all imaginable Realism assumptions are incompatible with Quantum Mechanics"). Rather, the experimental physics work that just was awarded the 2022 Nobel Prize in Physics, albeit rather impressive (after all, how many physics thought experiments have eventually been converted to actual experiments?), only proves that yes indeed, there is a conflict between what the joint team of {Quantum Physics plus the Experimental Universe - these two agree} says, versus the particular Bell Realism Assumption that Bell put into his 1964 Bell's Theorem. That is, the Nobel experimental research simply doubles down on Bells theoretical proof that there is a contradiction, and our most probable explanation of that contradiction is that there is a conflict between the specific Bell Realism Assumption that Bell used in his 1964 proof, and Quantum Mechanics. Most likely, we have only proven that Bell made a bad choice of Realism Assumption. At least, that's all we know for sure. In order to prove that the idea of Realism as envisioned by Einstein and Team is actually toast, we would also need an existence proof (essentially a proof in modal logic) that demonstrates that no flavor of Realism Assumption exists that is compatible with Quantum Mechanics. As far as I know, we have not seen that yet. Furthermore, in any attempt to try to achieve the latter, one typically gets bogged down in semantics related to "what legitimately comprises a Realism Assumption."

@knuts 413 and what does that mean?

@Timothy n that’s literally the title of the video.

@slip case slit pace Physicists dont use "real" in the same sense we do, by saying the physical universe isn't 'Real' they are saying that measuring the physical universe does not affect the universe.

No one is saying it isn’t real. Something is here.

@Fragile Omniscience It turned on that energy of the universe is also zero. Energy is conserved into interaction. Zero is universal value cause it can be positive as much as it is negative or either positive or negative at all. Also there is two realities of which first one never happened and other one is never going to end. etc. the time is zero, there is no more time left and the time is never started so it is zero - are equal in value.

This! What exactly are those "entangled particles"?? The whole video/theory starts with and is based on "entangled particles". As no one gives any explanation what those particles are, and how they even came into existence, it's impossible to understand the rest of the video. The video starts with one particle splitting into two particles... Firstly, how is that even possible?? Are particles freaking amoebas or something? It doesn't make any sense whatsoever.

​@Quantum Mathematics That's reasonable. It's not like there is some global time metric, we just clock state change into a normed scale, and measure the magnitude of the state changes, i.e. energy.

Time does not exists. It is conserved into particle interaction and happens only when measured than it is infinite.

It implies that consciousness influences outcomes and fundamentally experiments are inconclusive because genuine objectivity is impossible as we can’t take the observer out of the experiment.

Particle bonds make systems. When family is already a system, you don't need to go into particle scale to do so or do anything else.

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@Nic holas Yes and why do we worry about the weather so much?

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@Scott Hill My man!

@Raven Ragnar I hear ya brother… way too many hits of LSD on one sitting and thought I was on the verge of never coming back flying through space outside of Time and throwing planets around as if they were toy balls. But in the end, overcome with peace and love, and the ego was stripped, never chased that again and enjoyed science even more.

Get more insight from Ancient Indian Vedas, Vedanta etc. texts, which mentions reality of our cosmos which is in line with current Quantum Physics.

I wouldn't beat yourself up about it. Consider this: “If you can’t explain it simply, you don’t understand it well enough.” ~ Albert Einstein I have a degree in physics and I don't understand this gobbledygook either. I suspect it is perhaps because it's rubbish!

@Kinetic Literally the building blocks of humans, I wonder who built them together? *shrug*

@Eli Helbig Forgot to add, I think my favorite slam dunkesque argument would have to be the genetic code. The fact that there is literal code embedded within us should be a huge cause for concern for any atheist. Of course, this code came about naturally ;).

@Eli Helbig Indeed, I couldn't agree more with that assessment. From the discovery that the universe had a beginning, right up unto all of the intricate ENCODE findings and JWST data, it is evermore pointing towards theism. I see no reason for this trend to stop. As to the big bang, I am totally in agreement with the aspect of it that states the universe is finite and had a beginning, but that's about it. The materialist account of how the bb and subsequent formation of our universe happened is where things get wholly unbelievable with things such as inflation, faster than light expansion etc. To me it's honestly just laughable. I'm personally a YEC so I subscribe to a literal account of Genesis, but not on the basis of arbitrary preference, it solely on the basis of scientific evidence. Regarding the evolution stuff, yeah, there is 100% adaptation among living organisms, but that's about the extent of it. I honestly have zero problem with speciation, I actually don't mind it as it fits into the post flood rapid adaptation model quite nicely and offers a purely physical mechanism whereby we can explain biodiversity in such short time. If you haven't looked into "hyper evolution" via epigenetic factors, that's an interesting one I just wish more people were made aware of this information and understood the science, it seems as if everyone still thinks that science is wholly on the side of atheism like we're in the 19th century still, without realizing that the weapon of science is now in the hands of theist. Truly sad.

@Kinetic Yep, I'm a christian and I go to a pentecostal church as of now, and I would say that generally, many people incorrectly believe that science disproves the bible, where I see it to the contrary. To be honest, the sheer complexity of modern science, with quantum physics, relativity and the like, only affirms to me that only God would be able to make something so intricate and beautiful. So yeah, I completely agree with you, science is mutually exclusive with theism at all, and to be frank, the scientific arguments people make against the bible, are primarily based in theory, such as the big bang or evolution. To be honest, I see a lot of evidence for the big bang, given that genesis is written from the perspective of God, and our invention of a day being 24 hours doesn't predate God's creation of the world, therefore, it's entirely possible that the 6 days of creation in genesis, where actually 6 abstract periods of time. As of evolution however, I see evidence of adaptation as of now, which makes sense to me with homeostasis and all, but I'm still not quite convinced when it comes to speciation and evolution right now. Though I still believe, they could fit in the to genesis story. Also, I would recommend studying Biology for sure! I'm a second year Math and Biochem major hoping to go into Medicine afterwards, hopefully to help as many people as I can and follow in Jesus' footsteps by serving those who are less fortunate.

@Eli Helbig Ahhh, a fellow evidential theist / Christian I assume? So nice to meet like minded people. I'm thinking of entering into biology myself in order to glorify God through it, and show others that rather than modern science being against theism, it is actually the contrary. So who's your favorite org? Discovery institute, AiG?

but no, because, measuring one entangled particle does not reveal to the other particle that it was measured, and the measurement results are still totally at random

yes. it is instant accross any distance...scarry 🙃

@Emmanuel Aparicio hmm... I had parents. No wizards, golem spells necessary. Also, what a bummer - being told only after one passes away, that THEN everything is amazing. What's the point of it all then? To do everything this supposed 'god' allegedly already knows we're going to do...all that will happen? Nevermind all the needless suffering. Pfft. I can't speak for Enigma, but I'd sure be disappointed to find out you - the one providing an answer such as yours - is an adult. That's my opinion anyway

It all starts with God… we are all made out of the “dust of the earth.” Then God allows for life to enter us… and He sets the limits and restrictions of whatever is necessary to “orbit” around our spiritual beings to make up our physical substances. Say we understand how these things come together; what purpose would it serve? To simply turn pebbles into gold? Or To understand reality and the God who made it in time for us to make a decision to be saved by Him before we die. Jesus will explain it all perfectly to those who truly want to know one day for all of eternity.

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​Mary Antonio you can change your morality and you can allow external forces to also shape your morality. The thing about morality is that it is best explained with GOD I'm not saying that you cannot be moral without GOD everyone can I'm just saying you can't justify it without stealing from GOD. like for example "treat others the way you want to be treated" this is a quote from Jesus. Also if there is no objective truth then what you're saying is not true because how can it be true if there is no truth? If you say there is no objective morality you're saying there is no right or wrong it all depends on the viewer. let me try to explain it better. if there is one action that is objectively morally wrong such as torturing babies for fun or murdering six million people in the Holocaust then GOD exists. Why? Because only an unchanging moral being whose nature is the standard of Goodness can provide unchanging moral laws and obligations that are binding on human beings. Without the objective standard known as GOD's nature, everything would just be a matter of human opinion. Hitler, Stalin, child murderers, pedos, r-wordsss, cannibals, etc., would not be morally any different than Mother Teresa.

PBS Spacetime is fantastic, but I think it's generally geared to an audience more familiar with physics at the nuts & bolts level. I highly recommend Sabine Hossenfelder's channel here for much more informative and accurate (sorry Dr. Miles) yet still very digestible videos on these topics, including one exactly about this Nobel Prize win and what it actually means.

😂😂 dude, u know what ur doing here.

@Aaron Warner I never said we weren't in a simulation. I just said that if we were, the creators are cruel.

@Rivaldo Nelson well they would be necessary if you were trying to hide the fact it was a simulation. If I were to design a simulation and I needed to trick the inhabitants into thinking it wasnt I would start by adding things that would make you think it cant be a simulation if that's in there .

@Menno Boes Awesome! I need to watch that

It isnt a simulation if there isnt a base reality for it, simulations are ultimately limited by the energetic principles of their base reality, either by design or by nature

Probably.. or maybe improbably..

Actually, air will be "moved." Of course it will. And if eardrums are around, they will hear a sound. Sound is subjective. Moving airwaves are not.

Well according to Eve the eavesdropper, most of Alice and Bob's conversations are incredibly cryptic and hard to understand. That might not translate so well to a TV series.

They should get a room.

Add Ted and Carol into this equation and I might pay better attention.

@Old plugin pi 0900

Yeah. I wonder how big the fight was so that they'd each go to an opposite galaxy.

So quite simply put man or woman who are in a relationship have decided they will try another without letting the other know and think they can get away with it at the same time in the same space without the other realising they are living in a false fantasy world of entanglement until it is too late for them to decide they are because it is already happening extremely close and 'locally'

@Abandoned Void not at all .

@Abandoned Void Science: What nature is Epistemology: How we know Metaphysics: Why nature is Logic: Relations within nature Ethics: Why should it be so It's really that simple lol, none of these fields are yet dead or fully taken over the other :P

@Abandoned Void Social media has made facts irrelevant.

@Live Life Love Life hehe, truth all the way baby.

@Wasko Peko You are brave, I keep switching between red and blue pill yet 🙃

I still take the red pill

evil only exists if goodness exists since you wouldn't know evil without first knowing goodness. Think of it like this. you cannot have shadows without light, but you can have light without shadows. So how is it that we know why good is good? if you're an atheist you don't know why it's wrong to kill a person you just know it's wrong though you don't know the reason. You see we know the universe had a beginning based on The Cosmic Microwave Background, which is "the cooled remnant of the first light that could ever travel freely throughout the Universe" it is a 'fossil' radiation, the furthest that any telescope can see, it was released soon after the 'Big Bang'. Scientists consider it as an echo or 'shockwave' of the Big Bang. this paired with the 2nd law of thermodynamics shows us that the universe had a beginning and is expanding while also winding down. Not only did the matter in the universe have a beginning, but also the forces such as space, and gravity, and quantum forces, and time we know this from general relativity which shows that you cannot have space without time and you cannot have time without space and you cannot have matter without space or time! meaning that what could have caused the big bang would have to be outside of the realm of time and space meaning it's nonmaterial ! because nothing cannot happen to create something because there is nothing to occur to create something... So how does this go back to morality you ask? well would you believe it if I told you I just proved GOD's existence? You see GOD is outside of space and time! he is the one that was the cause of the universe he was the beginning, and since he is outside space and time. He is eternal meaning there was nothing before him he was always there and always will be. Now onto morality the reason we know it's wrong to kill someone is because GOD created us with a conscience con meaning with science meaning knowledge so when we kill someone we do it with knowledge that you just killed someone. The thing about your conscience is that it is GOD given society shaped. YOU can also shape your conscience the more you do things against it the quieter you make it it's like removing the batteries from your fire detector especially if you're loving the thing your conscience is warning you against.

@Chspas its is also not not proof of god

@E. N. keyword: believe. Anyone can believe anything. But the mysteriousness of the universe is not proof of god. That just proves the universe is mysterious

the heavens and the earth were joined together as one unit, before We clove them asunder" Quran (21:30)

Look up astrophysicists and geneticists who believe in Jesus 🙂

Quantum guys don't allow another apparatus in this experiment. It's illegal.

@Herectus Holy fuck, you absolutely destroyed them. 💀💀

@A.D. Marshall Vain? How so? How could you know your creator or anyone else's ?

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