I'm a plumbing contractor with 43 years experience and I can tell you no matter how well you plan the tile installers can find a way to screw you, if you are doing the tile yourself you can control the results way more effectively
@LeslieWood-qb8do
8 ай бұрын
That is so true.👍🙏🙏🙏
@donl9701
2 ай бұрын
I must agree with others on here....your video is a must watch for DIYers. Thanks a bunch!
@Cottonwoodconstruction
2 ай бұрын
So happy to hear that!
@HomeownerDIY
2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for your break down for depth of a diverter, being a professional plumber, I normally will ballpark 1" of material from stud to finish wall( with tile) 1/2 for board, 1/8 for thin set, 1/4-3/8 for tile. The width of a tape measure is about an inch so holding it horizontally will give you a good idea of finish wall. Of course different manufacturers have different guides. Keep up the good work!
@Cottonwoodconstruction
2 жыл бұрын
Thank you very much!
@BlueEffigy
Ай бұрын
i always go with 9/8
@HomeownerDIY
Ай бұрын
@@BlueEffigy What does 9/8 refer to?
@BlueEffigy
Ай бұрын
@@HomeownerDIY 1 1/8
@HomeownerDIY
Ай бұрын
@@BlueEffigy I always give myself 1/8 of play on either side. So for 1", 7-8 to 11/8 is acceptable. Your method works in my books.
@ibealion1
Жыл бұрын
You did this like an engineer... and as someone who overcomplicates everything, I greatly appreciate it because while it may be more complicated than what a professional would do, it will give me peace of mind knowing the depth is right BEFORE I start building out the wall. Love finding people that think like I do.
@Cottonwoodconstruction
Жыл бұрын
Glad you found it useful! Any good project starts with solid prep work. Its definitely more in depth than could be required but some valves require different depths and if you use multiple they all need to line up
@tomdavis3495
2 жыл бұрын
I have literally installed thousands (Apartments, hotels, etc) of these Moen valves and this is how we do it. For a 2x4 wall and a Moen valve...Cut 2x4 backing board to width between studs in wall where you plan to mount your new Moen valve. Mount 2x4 backing board horizontally flush to the very back of the 2x4 studs in wall. Once mounted that will leave you around 2" from the face of the stud wall and 3" to the approximate finished tile wall. Mount new Moen valve to 2x4 horizontal brace with (2) 2" screws. Make sure the valve is plumb in all directions coming out of the wall so your trim will mount flush. Mount Moen tile ring back on valve and you are done.
@CrowCreekOutdoors
Жыл бұрын
What if it’s just a shower wall install where the thickness of the wall covering is 1/8”? Your backing board could only be 1/4-3/8” thick, right?
@eduardocapitan6754
Жыл бұрын
@@CrowCreekOutdoorsTy get the😢🎉t
@whitefalcon017
2 жыл бұрын
Great video and simple explanation. I checked my plumber’s install and it was way off. Got it adjusted before we covered up the walls. Thanks!
@Cottonwoodconstruction
2 жыл бұрын
So happy I could help out
@jeffkerr7038
10 ай бұрын
Really appreciate you putting this video out here. Can’t believe that Moen isn’t capable of explaining this to their customers in an easy format like this. My shower kit had generic instructions for tub/shower and I need shower only. So the valve height was going to be low like on a tub. It didn’t explain to measure the depth like you did. Couldn’t find what I needed on their website so what does a homeowner do? Go to KZitem. Thanks again.
@Cottonwoodconstruction
10 ай бұрын
This is why I do it!
@OfficialMarksmanTV
Ай бұрын
Very valuable information and clear explanation. Thank you sir
@Cottonwoodconstruction
Ай бұрын
Glad you liked it!
@dunklechuck1188
Жыл бұрын
Did tub pull walk-in shower build. Guessed at valve depth. Nailed it!!
@thistledowntreasures7990
2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for breaking all that down for us newbies. Was concerned the plumber set mine too shallow now I can doublecheck before I start tiling.
@Cottonwoodconstruction
2 жыл бұрын
My pleasure! It was always a point of confusion for me so I'm happy I can help others figure it out Good luck on the tile job!
@cafemolido5459
Ай бұрын
Liked the video - saving for reference; Now what is the suggested depth for the shower head?
@Cottonwoodconstruction
Ай бұрын
It's not too important. You can flush a 2x4 up to the back of your stud cavity
@tsmith4338
Ай бұрын
For a new shower will full access to both sides of wet-wall: any problem with waiting until after the wall is completed? Then just locate center & drill through tile, thinset, etc. ???
@Cottonwoodconstruction
Ай бұрын
Would never recommend doing it that way. Would be nearly impossible and you'd likely have to rip out tile
@tsmith4338
Ай бұрын
@@Cottonwoodconstruction What would make it impossible? I've got the diamond hole cutter. It seems this way would make it MUCH easer to install. (that could just be my inexperience thinking)
@PerfectBiscuits
10 ай бұрын
You didn’t overcomplicate this at all. How else would you set the depth? I suppose you could gather all the materials and lay them on the studs and mark the depth. Sounds like some of these commenters just guess and hope it comes out right.
@Cottonwoodconstruction
10 ай бұрын
Sometimes you can guess and get lucky but this method applies to setting depths for drop ears and when you have valves of two different sizes. I'm glad it helped!
@brianb9410
2 ай бұрын
Very helpful. Thank you.
@Cottonwoodconstruction
Ай бұрын
Glad it was helpful!
@JustinMentionedIt
2 жыл бұрын
Cool vid… using a 1/4 float do you actually count a full 1/4 inch with that? Bc with a 1/4 trial 90% of the time you don’t get a 1/4 inch high off the ground notch from the trial bc most ppl don’t hold it perfectly at the correct angle to actually get a 1/4 notch but also by time you push your tile down it’s more like 3/16- 1/8” notch.. I know the valve handles has about 1-2” of play so it doesn’t matter with most handles but just curious
@Cottonwoodconstruction
2 жыл бұрын
By "float" I actually mean using a mortar bed to screed the wall and make it perfectly flat. Once it dries, you then continue with your install. You are correct in that a 1/4" trowel will not give you 1/4" of thinset under the towel. A good ballpark is cut the notch size in half and use that number as the thickness of thinset The best way tho would be to actually apply the thinset and a piece of tile and measure its thickness. Hope this helps!
@mponce661
2 ай бұрын
Water proofing membrane on the walls ?
@vickymast8485
7 ай бұрын
do these measurement work on a surround shower kit. Thanks
@Cottonwoodconstruction
7 ай бұрын
Yes, just account for the thickness of the wall panels instead of the backerboard and tile
@dungle-wh9td
10 ай бұрын
simply the best :) Sir!
@Cottonwoodconstruction
10 ай бұрын
Glad you think so!
@boyasaka
Жыл бұрын
What do you mean when you say thickness of the float ? What is a float
@Cottonwoodconstruction
Жыл бұрын
Sometimes Tilers will "float" out their walls. Meaning they put a layer of cement on the walls before setting tile to make the walls perfectly plumb and square. It adds thickness to the wall. This doesn't have to be done and most of the time is not done these days. But when done it makes the walls very flat. Think of it like self leveler for walls.
@boyasaka
Жыл бұрын
@@Cottonwoodconstruction thanks for that I get what ya mean now Like a skim coat to get levels flat Rodger !!
@awilliamsmedia
9 күн бұрын
Metric system is far superior damn. But thanks for the video
@algreen1979
8 ай бұрын
all that explanation was necessary
@Cottonwoodconstruction
7 ай бұрын
I agree
@letfreedomring1469
3 ай бұрын
What if i don't have the mud box?
@Cottonwoodconstruction
3 ай бұрын
Hope and pray😂 Standard valve just set a 2x6 flush with the back of the studs and mount it to that!
@michaelmeans9187
6 ай бұрын
Thank you! 🙂
@Cottonwoodconstruction
6 ай бұрын
Any time!
@ronrayandayan4994
2 жыл бұрын
Thx!!
@luiscollins3750
6 ай бұрын
Simply make a template of the wall and that’s it
@Cottonwoodconstruction
6 ай бұрын
Simple
@kanisohana
2 жыл бұрын
15/16
@morningstar4473
Жыл бұрын
Good 👍
@alwayssearching1882
10 ай бұрын
Or just look at the valves diagram dimensions.
@Cottonwoodconstruction
10 ай бұрын
They don't give those. Hence the video
@kathyern861
5 ай бұрын
that plastic guard is tilted
@Cottonwoodconstruction
4 ай бұрын
Maybe thats why my house fell down
@kathyern861
4 ай бұрын
@@Cottonwoodconstruction I would place blame on the big bad wolf who huffed and puffed.
@tommanfredi9289
7 ай бұрын
C’mon way too much bs measurements and not enough actual.
@Cottonwoodconstruction
7 ай бұрын
You're so right
@Caymen43
2 жыл бұрын
Wow. Who does all that. Youre better off calling a plumber or at least a tile setter. You realize the the escusion plate is adjustable dont you?
@Cottonwoodconstruction
2 жыл бұрын
Definitely leave it to the professionals if you don't want to do it! But this is for those who want to do it themselves or just make sure their contractor does it right Certainly the plate is adjustable but only to a certain degree, that's why it's important to shoot for the right measurement! 😃
@rickramirez3235
2 жыл бұрын
I just installed one, it was a breeze and im not even a plumber, came out perfect to the tee. Maybe it's because im a framer / drywaller\ tile setter renovator etc. I guess I added a new repertoire to my qualifications I'm not an expert but I am very good at following instructions and that helps besides you know how much this plumbers wanted to charge me so I save the little money and got a little schooling
@sladeoriginal
12 сағат бұрын
Dude, use decimals.
@Allegedly2right
2 жыл бұрын
I cut it twice and it was still to short.Millimetres easy
@Cottonwoodconstruction
2 жыл бұрын
Cut which part twice? I wish we used millimeters here in the states :/
@Allegedly2right
2 жыл бұрын
@@Cottonwoodconstruction It’s a saying in U.K. cut it twice and it’s still to short haha nice video
@sailingmollygrace4596
3 сағат бұрын
Way too slow man
@danneilson684
Жыл бұрын
You came to the correct depth, but it was painful listening to you trying to figure out elementary math
@Cottonwoodconstruction
Жыл бұрын
Thanks Dan, I'm actually autistic
@MrSpinnaahh
Жыл бұрын
You started out with the correct compliment but it was painful reading your asinine, grade school insult.
@JavierVasquez-hr4zb
3 ай бұрын
Wtf???
@Cottonwoodconstruction
2 ай бұрын
Fr
@Derpherppington
Жыл бұрын
Why not adjust the block that the value is sitting on from the hole that u cut instead dealing with all these fractions .math doesn’t works in real world when you’re talking about multiple layers of cement thickness and clothes and rubber. U might as well calculate moisture and temperature because that affects the expand and contract of the materials. U got a formula for that? And I’m Asian I don’t deal with this sht
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