The Pro One envelopes were 3310s. (The Pro One and Prophet 5 were basically CEM platforms + a microcontroller, so 3340 VCOs, a 3320 VCF and 3310 ADSRs. It's the Prophet 600 that had the interesting digital envelopes and digital LFO. The fastest EG though belongs to the mid to late 70s Rolands. I think the System 100m's 140 module has the the fastest usable envelope generator. (Some later Rolands have a bit of a resolution issue where you go from too long to just clicks. If you haven't tried a Poly D, you probably owe it to yourself. It's even MORE Model D and yet still doesn't lose the OG's character - vs something like a PolyMoog that does (or more it has its own great character that's too different.)
@2112jonr
3 ай бұрын
You're putting out excellent content ! What I like : Concise, explained clearly without obscuring the synth whilst showing what you're doing, and intelligent commentary that makes sense. What I don't like: Nothing ! 🙂 Keep up the good work, I can see you easily being able to carve out your own synth channel niche. Quality.
@DistortThePreamp
3 ай бұрын
Really appreciate you taking the time to watch and comment (twice!). This is a new channel and I'm still finding my feet so it'd really helpful to get supportive comments :)
@jamesbaynton1881
11 күн бұрын
Same as above, keep it up.
@ChrisMills-AmbientSpace
Ай бұрын
The gated ducking sounds amazing. I love how it sonically locks the bass and percussion together.
@DistortThePreamp
Ай бұрын
It really does. It’s an old trick but it totally works and it’s relatively unusual these days to do it with hardware :)
@Sonikbytes
2 ай бұрын
I prefer pro-1 for the EDM based music and model d for older traditional electronic music. I would like to see pro-800 vs pro-1
@DistortThePreamp
2 ай бұрын
I think that’s a good call! The Model D is a bit ‘heavy’ for tracks at 128bpm with a lot going on, although I still use it for sub and pedal bass. A comparison with the Pro-800 would be interesting. A lot of people don’t realise that poly synths sound different on mono bass lines because the notes are allowed to overhand. Really appreciate you watching and the comment :)
@therealmattmann
2 ай бұрын
I already have the Model D and it's fantastic.....and, thanks to one of your other videos, I finally ordered a Pro-1. Great videos, btw!
@DistortThePreamp
2 ай бұрын
This is amazing!
@fraserjaxx8208
2 ай бұрын
I have both and always favoured the Model D as it was my first but after following this video the Pro 1 has come to life !! New follower here mate, cheers.
@DistortThePreamp
2 ай бұрын
Oh fantastic, I’m so please! I also found the Model D easier to get on with at first… for some reason the Pro-1 took a little time to ‘reveal itself’. Really appreciate you watching and commenting :)
@UchtdorfBLN
22 күн бұрын
New to your channel since today. like your explanations very much,
@DistortThePreamp
22 күн бұрын
Thank you very much! Appreciate you watching and taking the time to comment :)
@craigwood8862
2 ай бұрын
Love this video. Well done on the emphasis on “small things matter”. I have managed to recreate both sounds using the Arturia MiniFreak - and the knowledge of the filter ramp in the Phophet1 version the Moog style was the key. On the MiniFreak it’s also possible to dial in fast (unashamedly digital) envelopes as well.
@DistortThePreamp
2 ай бұрын
Thank you! And that’s really interesting. I don’t really mind digital envelopes. Really think the ‘debate’, if there is one, is about analog controls (ie physical knobs, sliders, and buttons) rather than analog oscillators. I would always recommend that people learn their hardware backwards and, in my experience, even the cheapest synth can sound great if you can dial in sounds with your hands. Really appreciate you watching, and the interesting comment :)
@jjaffee
25 күн бұрын
Subscribed! Great work! Enjoyed this very much. Thank you
@DistortThePreamp
25 күн бұрын
Fantastic! Very much appreciate you watching and taking the time to comment :)
@tommyfeinstoff
2 ай бұрын
Love it. Immediately followed the channel. Cant wait for more videos.
@DistortThePreamp
2 ай бұрын
That’s very kind and completely awesome. Really appreciate you watching and commenting Tommy :)
@claymorecuts87
29 күн бұрын
Glad i bought a Pro 1 now. Class video
@DistortThePreamp
28 күн бұрын
Oh amazing! Did you already have the Pro-1? It’s a GREAT synth!
@claymorecuts87
27 күн бұрын
@@DistortThePreamp yeah - had it for a couple of months now!
@hotfirecaster
19 күн бұрын
Thank you for this very interesting video ! I sold my Pro 1 two years ago. I will by one again ! 😎😂
@DistortThePreamp
19 күн бұрын
Haha! I was using mine yesterday. It’s a very solid piece of kit!
@niclaswelander4509
Ай бұрын
great sound on these,it depends on the mood you are in...end result is good
@DistortThePreamp
Ай бұрын
That’s very well put. It totally depends on the mood one is in!
@andivax
9 күн бұрын
Amazing demo
@DistortThePreamp
9 күн бұрын
Thank you so much! I'm currently in the middle of making a video about a really weird guitar sound. Either people will love it, or my entire audience will leave 😂
@pitherh8059
3 ай бұрын
Quality content - liked & suscribed!
@DistortThePreamp
3 ай бұрын
Awesome! Very much appreciated! As a matter of interest do you have either of Model D or the Pro-1?
@pitherh8059
3 ай бұрын
@@DistortThePreamp No I don't but I do own a few monos - my recent catch is waldorf's pulse 2 :)
@DistortThePreamp
3 ай бұрын
Oh that’s an excellent mono! Let me know what you’ve got just in case I’ve got any of them so I can plan the most appropriate content :)
@CaptainProton1
2 ай бұрын
Should have done a version with the Pro-1 running cv out from its ADSR into the Moog VCF CV In to see how the Pro-1 ADSR sounded controlling the Moog
@DistortThePreamp
2 ай бұрын
Interesting idea.
@johnghadimi
4 ай бұрын
Really enjoyed this video. And I totally agree. The envelope is what gets the job done. Would love to see the Serum settings to compare. BTW, please share some info on those knobs. :)
@DistortThePreamp
4 ай бұрын
Excellent! I’ll definitely make a very short video on the Serum settings, and look up where I got the knobs!
@DarrellNorton-gq2ic
Ай бұрын
Only came across your Best first synth video yesterday. Thats got me subscribed to your channel already 👍. . Not even bought a synth yet ( just waiting on a house move at present) but i will definitely be getting hold of a D to get me started down the rabbit hole. You have a great format. Keep up the good work ✌️
@panos3246
Ай бұрын
Thanks a lot for this video! You are doing a great job explaining these stuff!
@DistortThePreamp
Ай бұрын
Thank you so much! So please you like the videos :)
@panos3246
Ай бұрын
@@DistortThePreamp You got some of the most "to the point" videos out there ... Really! And by the way the algorithm seems to work great. Yesterday when YT recommended a video of yours I went to a discord channel with some synthwave nerds like me to tell them about you and YT had already proposed your videos to them too! So I wish the best for the channel!
@DistortThePreamp
Ай бұрын
Oh that’s fascinating! There’s a discord channel that knows about my videos?!?!? Three months ago I had about 50 subscribers.
@regenbogentau1361
4 күн бұрын
Great video! But the filter slopes are not different, both have 24dB!! Its the Cutoff range and the envelopes that mostly differentiate the filter sweep sounds.
@darrellsmith5710
3 ай бұрын
Lovely stuff, cheers
@DistortThePreamp
3 ай бұрын
Thanks Darrell! Glad you enjoyed it! This is a new channel so I’m still figuring out how to make content, but thanks for watching :)
@Rattus9000
3 ай бұрын
Good stuff mate.
@DistortThePreamp
3 ай бұрын
Glad you appreciated it!
@rick49
Ай бұрын
Great demo! How did you colorize your knobs?
@DistortThePreamp
Ай бұрын
I got replacement knobs from eBay (I think, maybe somewhere else?) The main reason to use custom knobs is so that I can easily see the settings in a photo which is how I do my patch recalls. And the colours really helped when I had them mounted much lower in the racks. Too many black knobs and you end up changing the VCF attack when you’re trying to ride the filter 😂
@whistlemusic8572
2 ай бұрын
Chappers eh hahahah. Looking at getting my first synth . I think the model D is the winner. Would love to see more tutorials. Really love the flow of your videos
@whistlemusic8572
2 ай бұрын
Would also love to see how you route / build the drums
@DistortThePreamp
2 ай бұрын
A lot of people have been concluding that the Model D is the better choice, even though I tried really hard to keep it balanced 😂 Thanks for your very kind words. I’m currently prepping two ‘tutorial’ style videos - one about advanced Duran Duran style arpeggios, and one about 80s synth bass. Really appreciate you watching, and your comment :)
@DistortThePreamp
2 ай бұрын
No problem! The drums in this PLUCK video are just my 909 (clone) sequenced from my hardware sequencer. I don’t remember if I even separated them out but I would probably have separated the kick so I could balance the level using the input trim on my interface. However, there’s a trick that I explain in my video about Kick Ducking kzitem.info/news/bejne/zqCntmtmjGKpqHosi=4pznH8wi_I-mZ4lX Basically I route the synth through a gate set to ducking mode, and use a trigger key that’s a short, sharp sound but is programmed to be the same as the kick drum. Other than that there is no compression, no eq, no daw processing - it’s all the magic of analog :)
@simonjefferytaylor
Ай бұрын
Cool.... I'm gonna try and get the same thing running on the modular using maths and /or PEG for the envelope
@simonjefferytaylor
Ай бұрын
Maths....smashes it... PEG not quite
@GeorgeLocke
2 ай бұрын
High quality. The world needs more pencil mustaches.
@DistortThePreamp
2 ай бұрын
Hahaha! I'm currently without it because I kept bursting out laughing when I looked in the mirror! Really appreciate you watching and the comment :)
@GeorgeLocke
2 ай бұрын
@@DistortThePreamp too bad. Strong Mr. Higgins energy. Not that that will help with the hysterics...
@DistortThePreamp
2 ай бұрын
Hahaha! It may well come back…
@simonpalframan6534
3 ай бұрын
Superb vid!
@DistortThePreamp
3 ай бұрын
Thank you! I took a video break last night and tried to make plucks on some of my other synths - total failure. Not all synths are created equal, and not all can do everything ;) At some stage I should do a quick video showing deadmau5’s Serum settings (a couple of people have asked). It would be a very quick video as you can dial it up in about three clicks lol
@MattTravelling
Ай бұрын
Love the details, thank you. May I ask what was the analog drum machine in the backing?
@DistortThePreamp
Ай бұрын
Ah, that’s the Behringer RD9 which is a clone of the 909. It’s an excellent machine because, not only does it sound great, it also has very good midi and trigger outs. I use it a lot when I want ‘that sound’.
@therealmattmann
2 ай бұрын
Is there a chance of doing a video on how you have your Squarp Pyramid setup to work with your synths? I just got one and I'm still struggling to wrap my head around it. I keep going back to my MC-50 because I understand it....but I really want to use the Pyramid. Cheers!
@DistortThePreamp
2 ай бұрын
Hey - thanks a lot for this comment. The Pyramid is amazing but it takes a bit of getting used to. Or maybe a lot of getting used to. There are also a few ways to use it. When I’m working on real productions (rather than doing KZitem speedruns) I use it in a slightly different way. Let me have a think about how to do a video…
@RMVibes
3 ай бұрын
I work with Serum as sound designer and I will get one of these analog synths soon.... I thhink the Pro-1 had a sound very close to Serum ... All demos i listened from Pro-1 made me though: I can get this on Serum quickly .... But in other hand , The Model D have a different flavor ..Am I wrong ? Help me hahaha ... I think i will enjoy more the model D.
@DistortThePreamp
3 ай бұрын
That’s a difficult question. First let me say that, although I no longer make any sounds in the box, I used Serum for many years and IMO it’s the best of the best. There are so many sounds you can make with it that are pretty much impossible with conventional analog synths due to the sheer number of modulation and LFO possibilities, not to mention it’s FM capabilities. And that’s before you do things like use Serum’s envelopes to modulate or sweep its FX parameters. However, there are a couple of primary ways in which Serum struggles to get an ‘analog’ sound. The first is extreme resonance which is very hard to model digitally without artefacts. The second is that it’s quite clean sounding because, well, everything is in tune. There are some ways around this like putting drift on a load of parameters but, really, who’s got that kind of time and energy! Having said all of that the main reason that i prefer physical synths to soft synths is that turning knobs and sliders with both hands is more of a ‘profound’ experience and it’s far easier to dial in sounds. In terms of which out of the Model D and Pro-1 you would enjoy more, it may well be the Model D which has a thicker sound. Although it can’t do pulse wave modulation, or oscillator sync, or crude FM. But, if you were prepared to spend more and you had the desk space, the absolute best analog mono synth IMO is the Behringer 2600. I discounted that in my ‘Let me choose your first synth’ video because it’s more money and not small. However, given that you’re a sound designer, you might appreciate the 2600 which really can do everything.
@RMVibes
3 ай бұрын
@@DistortThePreamp Thank you so much for the detailed answer !.... I will take a look on the 2600 now .... and also, Behringer just released the Model 15 , I am just waiting more reviews and demos to also consider this one lol
@hansmuller1980
2 ай бұрын
" sounddesigner" 😂
@stergiost.6246
3 ай бұрын
nice video!have you tested behringer kobol?it sounds very punchy from the demos ...
@DistortThePreamp
3 ай бұрын
Really appreciate your comment -- I haven't yet but I plan too. I'm currently trying to make a load of videos where I make patches by patching between the Model D, Pro-1, and Neutron. The famous Gary Numan 'Vox Humana' patch will be first which involves one of those synths 'borrowing' LFOs from both of the others. Plus I have to use a homemade DIY inline attenuator which is fun. So many videos to make....
@bernyboss
28 күн бұрын
What about the vintage pro one? Have you ever tried it? What about its envelopes? Are fast as the behringer one? 🙏🙏🙏
@DistortThePreamp
28 күн бұрын
Yes! The vintage Pro-1 is exactly as fast. Famously fast in fact. I strongly suspect that the Behringer clone is using digital envelopes to achieve the speed cheaply but that doesn’t matter at all, and certainly doesn’t make it any less analog.
@bernyboss
27 күн бұрын
@@DistortThePreamp now I have to find one… 😅😅😅
@Mark-ec3lp
16 күн бұрын
@@bernyboss When I picked up the Behringer Pro 1 I sold my showroom condition original Sequential Circuits Pro One. Servicing the old equipment is a nuisance, parts are expensive, if they can be found, and there is no real money in music production the way it used to be, so why invest a lot of cash when instead a clone can be bought for a fraction of the spend, is more reliable, and comes with MIDI and USB, smaller space used. I made side-by-side comparisons for days before deciding that the Behringer sounds so much like the original it's almost impossible to tell them apart in an A/B dry flat EQ test.
@rick49
Ай бұрын
No DAW? What are you using as a sequencer for this demo?
@DistortThePreamp
Ай бұрын
Ah, the Squarp Pyramid! It’s the black box above and to the right of the keyboard :) I still use daws for recording, editing, and mixing, not not for writing and basic arranging. I have also entirely abandoned soft synths because I prefer the workflow of hardware controls :) Really appreciate you watching, and the comment!
@Dad_In_The_Box
2 ай бұрын
Where did you get the coloured knobs for the synths? Don't they come with black knobs as standard?
@DistortThePreamp
2 ай бұрын
That’s right - they do come with black knobs. I think I got them from eBay but the real reason I did it was so that the settings would show up on an iPhone photo of the patch. The Pro-1 buttons are okay but the Model D are shiny with a dot and their impossible to read at a distance. And the colours was because I used to have them mounted lower and I needed to see what I was twisting in a dim light. I thoroughly recommend them!
@bernyboss
2 ай бұрын
What about a ms-1 / sh-101?
@LFOVCF
Ай бұрын
You are a pleasant plucker
@DistortThePreamp
Ай бұрын
Yes 😂 Other title options included ‘Go and pluck yourself’ or ‘Oh pluck!’ You are literally the first person to comment on this single entendre.
@tommyfeinstoff
2 ай бұрын
How the ducking?
@DistortThePreamp
2 ай бұрын
Ah - all done in hardware using a Drawmer DS201 gate set to ‘duck’ mode! If you’ll forgive the self-promotion, check out a video I made called ‘All Aboit Kick Ducking’ :) kzitem.info/news/bejne/zqCntmtmjGKpqHo
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