A common solution to make the Grigri feed ok is to use a Micro Traxion to create a cache loop for the Grigri.
@gunkclimber
4 жыл бұрын
Interesting, I would need to see a picture or diagram. The grigri on lead catches so I don't see how a micro triaxon would help, but I would love to check it out and see what happens.
@LouDude502
5 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the side by side comparison with the Revo and Grigri
@dennisgarber
Жыл бұрын
The GriGri catches quickly so long as the dead rope end has enough downward weight or unless there is no slack and you are directly below the attachment. The revo catches every time, even without weighted dead rope or if you are 8 feet to either side of the anchor above. However, the Revo allows 1 meter fall to get the centripetal spin to catch. Add another meter if you are off to one side because the rope will drape. 1 meter plus one meter is better than falling uncontrolled to below. But.. If you do the math, you have 5600lbf falling 2 meters if you are 100 kilos. If you do not use something like the Kong Kisa, you will stressing a lot of ropes to the maximum tensile strength. (I have not measured my Kong Kisa for its reliability or force reduction, or even if it is practical to use, yet. I am interested in Fall Protection. But if I were a climber, I would use 2 ropes and one on each rope. Except, taking a free hand to remove slack might be a deal breaker... I have experimented with 2 Revos and 2 ropes, which worked fine, because I added 1 inch wide elastic for suspenders to hold up my harness. I was able to dart to the left and right between the 2 ropes. I did several drop tests with the 2 Revos attached at different points between the two ropes. They caught at the same time and keep the item from swinging wildly in either direction. Unfortunately, both the GriGri and the Revo have benefits. If the revo caught with less drop and I felt like it were easier to rappel with, it would be the hands down winner, because of the self feeding and reliable catch in every situation where the dangerous fall velocity is reached.
@jhealy3110
4 жыл бұрын
The Silent Partner uses an entirely different locking mechanism than the Revo which cinches the rope ever tighter in the groove between the two plates which is why it can strip ropes, gets jammed after falls, and quite often breaks various aspects of the mechanism. That, along with its overall component fragility, is why I don't consider it an acceptable option for lead rope soloing.
@gunkclimber
4 жыл бұрын
Yea, I agree with you. The silent partner is the best device. And the Revo does strip the core of a new rope from a fixed piece. I am going to test 200 lb. Drop test on a dynamic system and not a fixed system. So far the evidence points to the rope getting stuck in the Revo and not breaking the core of the rope. But I do want to find out for sure. And yes, if anyone has a silent partner use that rope soloing and not the Revo.
@jhealy3110
4 жыл бұрын
@@gunkclimber In that comparison I'd go with the SP, but having used them all I'll stick with the Edelrid Eddy.
@testboga5991
Жыл бұрын
in principle, the revo is the only one that has the correct working principle: centrifugal lock. everything else will always be 99 percent but not 100. If the revo engages too late, bend the spring. that makes it engage earlier. the worst that can happen from this mod is overagressive engagement but it won't fail.
@thegamerboneless2864
2 жыл бұрын
A SP just went for like $1400 or $1500 few months ago. They are extremely hard to find and they are not cheap they keep going up
@jhealy3718
3 жыл бұрын
Used just knots for lead rope soloing before the grigri came out, used a grigri for 16 years, and then ditched it for the Edelrid Eddy once it came out. Have used the Eddy now for way over 5k+ multipitch routes and personally find it superior to every other potential lead rope soloing device (and I've tried them all but YMMV). I climb with a 60m in a backpack and don't use backup knots, but the rope pairing is critical with the Eddy and my own experience has been it works best with relatively new 9.8 and 9.9 ropes. Maxim's Glider 9.9 60m is my preferred rope which I replace every year and am on like my fifteenth one.
@gunkclimber
3 жыл бұрын
I've always heard good things about the edeldrid eddy. I will definitely try it rope soloing.
@godohispano81
9 ай бұрын
Muy buen video ! Te lo agradezco.Me sirve mucho y agradezco la traducción al Español.He probado algunos solos con el grigri con la cuerda por arriba ( Top Rope ).Aunque aun me queda la duda del mejor sistema y configuración de redundancia para mayor seguridad si el grigri falla.Agradezco toda ayuda y consejo Gracias
@gunkclimber
9 ай бұрын
If you can get a Revo. You will love it compared to the grigri. The grigri was always a pain to get to feed, even if you alter the device. The almost impossible to get silent partner is the best device though.
@godohispano81
9 ай бұрын
@@gunkclimber Muchas gracias ! Gracias por tus consejos y respuesta.Los tendré en cuenta y sigo aprendiendo con tu canal.Aunque el Revo viendo los fallos de enganche de cuerda me hace dudar como comodidad y seguridad de posible rotura de cuerda La verdad es que como dices excepto el silent Parner todo lo demàs son configuraciones caseras.
@KelvinClimber
4 жыл бұрын
the thing people complain about with the grigri+ is that the you can pull back further when it hit the panic mode place on the lever, and if you do it will keep giving slack to the climber
@gunkclimber
4 жыл бұрын
Yea I have an original grigri and the grigri+ and I hate the grigri+ for that reason.
@firstnamelastname2298
2 жыл бұрын
I personally do NOT want to be caught immediately during 2 factor fall, so most auto-locking devices including grigri scares me. IMHO it's much safer to slide to the end of rope (with a knot there, of cause).
@Furious_George
3 жыл бұрын
There’s one silent partner on eBay right now and it’s $1500 lol
@stuff2climb102
2 жыл бұрын
hey, whats the width on that rope you're using? I wonder if a thinner rope would get stuck (or possibly more)
@dariocarafa3788
2 жыл бұрын
The last time I went looking for a silent partner they were $1,800
@gunkclimber
2 жыл бұрын
That's insanity for a silent partner
@dariocarafa3788
2 жыл бұрын
@@gunkclimber that's what I thought. I might pay $500 for silent partner but when I saw they were going for $1,800 I thought a Grigri is going to have to work just fine
@josealbertogonzalez6353
4 жыл бұрын
one question please, accoding with the use of Grigri, many people talk about customize the grigri, a loop to maintance the position vertical using something to catch the grigri, with a pullowver arnees, and also cut the lenght of the stuff use to go down, in order not Hazard with a fail. In the video seems you dont bother about this, the grigri Works withous customized??? thanks
@gunkclimber
4 жыл бұрын
Jose, customizing the grigri definitely makes things easier and safer.
@christianvelascochavez9019
3 жыл бұрын
when you begin climbing, you built an anchor on the first quickdraw and then on the second QD you built a clove hitch, right? and for the rest of the quickdraws, you just clip like regular lead climbing.
@gunkclimber
3 жыл бұрын
I set an anchor on the ground (tree) or gear close to the ground. Then usually I do a munter hitch on the first piece I set. A munter slips and has some give.
@shanesaunders697
3 жыл бұрын
@gunkclimber - unrelated, but that's a pretty sweet backyard wall you have! Any pics and stats you'd be willing to share? Height, angles, etc...thanks in advance.
@gunkclimber
3 жыл бұрын
linksharing.samsungcloud.com/6MIrLFRvXH37
@gunkclimber
3 жыл бұрын
Shane, shared a pic. The climbing walls are about 16 feet high. Basically two sheets of plywood on top of each other. The whole frame is an A frame. I rose the A frame and attached the framing to each side and expanded off that. Around the top of the climbing walls is a walkway for the kids with a two story tube slide and a rocket with with four sections. The old playset on the right is connected with a small walkway for the kids to get to the top around the climbing wall. We put the playset together one year, the climbing wall the next, and the rocket a year or two later.
@gunkclimber
3 жыл бұрын
linksharing.samsungcloud.com/urEDBlCQArA4
@shanesaunders697
3 жыл бұрын
@@gunkclimber Awesome! Thank you, sir!
@mickgreen8350
3 жыл бұрын
Hey mate any advantage using a malion in the gri gri? Have you tried?{ Binnas break then thats baddddd....} Would help stop cross loading and have the gri gri closer to the body would this be an advantage?.
@gunkclimber
3 жыл бұрын
Its very possible. I would have to see the setup.
@GabrielCharette
3 жыл бұрын
How's your experience with Munter Hitch to support the live rope weight? I've heard some soloists recommend against it (can let rope slip).
@gunkclimber
3 жыл бұрын
They might be right. I try to do it on gear I feel would hold a big fall.
@gunkclimber
3 жыл бұрын
Sorry reread your comment. Thought you were asking if the munter was not secure. As far as slipping, I find it highly unlikely a munter hitch would slip if tied correctly. The idea is for it to slip a little when you fall. But it shouldnt slip from gravity pulling on the rope. At least I have never seen the rope start to slip on any of my munter hitches.
@SeekOutTheAdventure
4 жыл бұрын
did you have your GRIGRI + in top rope mode or lead mode during this demonstration?
@gunkclimber
4 жыл бұрын
I am pretty sure it is always on lead mode but I will have to double check
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