I feel like this is a cry for help more than anything. Here me out. You spend 300+ points on a unit. You expect that bomb to perform. Naturally suits and vahl do! However lets say you do move this "17 inches and def in melta range" well, what was that land raider carrying ? im doubtful it was empty. Secondly, yes you probably just alpha striked them pretty hard, but your WL is now in the open to ALOT of punch back. The weakness to this unit is described lightly in the "vs guardsmen" section , where all of their guns only kill 13 guardsmen. They cant clear chaff and can very easily get bogged down vs a 20 man kriege squad with a psyker (4++ to 20 wounds is pretty narly). we can tell you made this video in response to absolutly getting mopped with vahl, but atleast dont push your salt onto us.
@theoryhammernerds
Ай бұрын
Ahh, thanks for the feedback. I will have to make my position more clear in these videos moving forward. Its quite the opposite - I made this video because I run sisters and love this unit haha. I pick my target, and it just dies. Feel free to check out my sisters list video! This unit is an auto include in my army. Thanks for the comment either way!
@slimjim7411
Ай бұрын
Except mathammer almost always fails on the tabletop. Per game there simply aren't enough dice rolls to ever see averages. You need thousands to start to see averages.
@Alpha-zb8sp
Ай бұрын
What else are me supposed to do? Yeah averages don’t always happen, but it’s a fair judgement. Anything can happen, theoretically a gaunt can beat a titan
@TimeMaster0
Ай бұрын
I mean this entire scenario requires 300+ points of your sisters list, at least 1 CP for grenades, at least 1 6+ miracle dice for the melta damage and for you to purposely put yourself out of position to both be within melta range and to not have dealt any damage to the suits before hand. These guys are scary but a Death Star unit like this only gets these results when you’ve been outplayed. They’re annoying but require investment to use and most armies have solid responses to deal with them.
@ivanweever5261
Ай бұрын
Tbh. I only hear complain by someone who lost recently to this. Rules as mentioned dont work either. In BOF you can advance, 17 inch move frome where? You mention dubble miracle dice. Only possible in amry of faith, possible with triumph nearby. "And havent even charged yet" as far as i know you still cant advance and charge with sisters in BOF. So if the stars aline you nuke a tank/knight/primach with a 500 point combo. All with paper as armor. Dont see the differnce with a tank being killed by a shadowsword or any other dedicated anti tank unit in the game.
@Demigodish4o3
Ай бұрын
Units like this is why 40k feels bad to play. Game's way too lethal, and so many things have basically no counter-play. You just stand there and watch your toughest unit die without being able to do anything effective to stop it.
@VarnakTheDestroyer
Ай бұрын
Yeah, I keep hearing more and more people really wish 10th was over already.
@thetabletop21
Ай бұрын
as someone who plays a lot of 10th and loses quite some of the games, I gotta disagree 9th edition was lethal, yes if you had no invuln save, your unit was deleted latest turn 2 10th is a lot less killy, while also having its own problems While yes, there are units where you end up feeling like you can't do too much against them on paper, your biggest weapon is your opponents dice luck The Paragon & Vahl blob is def something that can take some damage and deal out a lot more, but they are still vehicles and a wound count of 4 is quite a glass cannon for the immense price they cost For those 370 points that the Sisters player has to pay for that unit, the opponent has quite some options to take for themselves, depending on the army
@Hallow_the_fur
Ай бұрын
They... Killed an entire 10 man squad of Deathwing Terminators... I hate them with a passion
@shamurai7
Ай бұрын
4 wounds and toughness 6... like... cry me a river. If they get shot at first they are deleted.
@prodoktordank4102
Ай бұрын
What about grimaldus with a 20 brick crusader squad in reserve with 18 chainsword and 2 powerfist with grimaldus.advance and charge and re rolls.hits and using the sustained hits in melee vow ?.
@jontheisen5470
Ай бұрын
The unit is 370 points and contains the sisters' big warlord character. It should be a threatening unit. Most antitank, proper screening, or just a decent volume of attacks can kill this unit.
@theoryhammernerds
Ай бұрын
Yep! Gotta use them right or I feel sad. It just always feels crazy when I shoot or attack with them XD
@daniel_fyr2515
Ай бұрын
Asmany have mentioned, their low survivability is their achillesheel - glasscannons will stay glasscannons - and its quite seldom its melta range, because tjats usually only from rapid ingress (or the bof yes)
@thorscape3879
27 күн бұрын
With the recent erratum you can't use grenades and shoot. You get one or the other.
@theoryhammernerds
26 күн бұрын
Well damn. Haha, appreciate the correction!
@thorscape3879
25 күн бұрын
@@theoryhammernerds Also can't do it if you advanced. Sisters' best anti-tank is still the Castigator.
@kryzys5385
Ай бұрын
Eradicators with fire discipline took care of them quickly for me but yeah, they are scary af.
@danielhughes3758
Ай бұрын
There's a big problem with that land raider example, namely overwatch. At least assuming it's a land raider redeemer, which is the type of land raider I'm used to facing. If that thing gets to overwatch, you lose at least a suit if not more. That being said, we can counter AoC with a castigator and/or an immolator, so even with AoC in cover it would be a 6+ save. You can make it very scary for a land raider to go to certain places, but Vahlgons alone might not always be enough, especially since 4+ saves can be very swingy and you can roll below average for damage. If you don't get the melta damage bonus it's also less consistent
@Krachbumm-Ente
Ай бұрын
Redeemers have a range of 12". Vahl will just one tap them
@danielhughes3758
Ай бұрын
@@Krachbumm-Ente In the damage example that included melta 2 bonus, which you then wouldn't have. Unless you get an immolator and/or castigator involved as well it can be unreliable shooting a limited amount of shots with variable damage vs 4+ saves
@KevinoftheCosmos
Ай бұрын
I have six. Unbuilt.
@theoryhammernerds
Ай бұрын
Build them and run them. They are sweet! I got mine last edition and cried, but then I stopped crying when this codex came out :D
@tazmonhussey7936
Ай бұрын
I played against them with Khaine and they took him down to one wound turn one. I played the silent king with full health -1 to damage and both minears up at full health and he ended up dead turn 2
@dariostabletopminatures
Ай бұрын
Good Thing I deleted these Team of Sisters before they could Delete my Landraider and Units. But they needed to go first... and they did.
@jgt1120
Ай бұрын
After these last 2 vids, im just looking for strategy to beat them with my Votann😂
@danielhughes3758
Ай бұрын
The datasheets are incorrect. Paragons have T7 and Vahl has OC3 now
@theoryhammernerds
Ай бұрын
I saw that I missed that when I was updating the warsuit datasheets. I think I say in the video that they are 7 though. Thanks either way!
@Kattbirb
Ай бұрын
And here I hated them because I thought the physical model looked awful.
@AIPretendingToBeHuman
Ай бұрын
The Unit is ok, but not over-powered. A 5-man squad of Paladins w/ Drago can delete it on a Deep Strike + 6" Charge. So can any number of Blood Angels units. The unit is similar to a lot of Sister of Battle units; huge damage but not very durable.
@PhaseConnectpilled
Ай бұрын
And then it gets overwatched and dies
@Krachbumm-Ente
Ай бұрын
Who gets overwatched and dies?
@PhaseConnectpilled
Ай бұрын
@@Krachbumm-Ente sisters overwatch is nutty with fate dice and full rerolls from vaal
@thetabletop21
Ай бұрын
@@PhaseConnectpilled Broski, even if the Sisters player uses up all their sixes (which are not a ton without a Dialogus, even with St. Kathi), the Paladins can still just 4+ invul save through the prob like 3-4 melta shots that the unit will hit Draigo alone rips through the Paragons with his D3 weapon
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