I despise the “age of consent is 13 in Japan!!!” argument so much. Like 99% of the time the person doesn’t even live in japan
@doransoran
3 жыл бұрын
I hate it because the age of consent in Japan isn’t even 13 in most prefectures. In most places it’s been raised to 18 or older. The two prefectures where it’s 13 basically have like two people living there. Smh.
@TurtleChad1
3 жыл бұрын
The people who make that argument definitely need to be put on the FBI watchlist.
@BookishApostate
3 жыл бұрын
Hard agree. Legality is not morality. Laws are often old and reflections of racist/sexist/otherwise terrible ideas of the time and are often not updated because of the long legal processes involved. "It's the law" is a terrible argument when the argument we're having is a moral one, since laws don't always reflect current moral standards.
@yorak6793
3 жыл бұрын
on the other hand i’ve seen ppl argue about 18-19 y/os bc the age of “adulthood” in japan is 20. morality =/= legality
@naproupi
3 жыл бұрын
Me : *tries to explain that the age of consent in my country is 15 and that as such, I did the thing with my girlfriend when I was 16* Americans : *calls me a creepy pervert* "eh law and morality are different" Ok then explain why your law is more moral than ours ? Do you realise how pretencious this argument is ?
@CurtRichy
3 жыл бұрын
In regards to the statement at the beginning, esp around 3:30, Id like to cite a good friend of mine, Yedoye: For the people who cite japan's age of consent in casual conversation, you are a part of the reason they still shouldnt allow international travel out of the U.S. If you need a law to tell you its creepy... well... you're probably creepy yourself...
@hhystericgglamour
3 жыл бұрын
curt spittin facts as usual 💯
@verybarebones
3 жыл бұрын
It's funny how, as often as it is brought up, I don't actually remember the age of consent in Japan. I suppose it's because I don't need to know.
@thenotsoamazinggracetnsag3463
3 жыл бұрын
FINALLY SOMEONE SAID IT!!! I hate when people try to use that to justify there creepy perverted fantasies.
@girlmadeofwires
3 жыл бұрын
A pleasant surprise seeing you here! But anyway that point is 100% correct.
@tiajoseph7309
3 жыл бұрын
Your friend is right on the nose.
@gingercore69
3 жыл бұрын
A guy who was "cancelled" for raping 2 women killed himself yesterday... The news were all like "venezuelan writter kills himself" and no one was like "rapist kills himself to avoid jail" wich is what really happened...
@nukiradio
3 жыл бұрын
Its touchy too, because, I think that the news referring to someone as "rapist" before conviction can be equally dangerous. But once he or she is convicted, then go all out, call 'em whatever.
@gingercore69
3 жыл бұрын
@@nukiradio he admited it days before the suicide...
@good__person
3 жыл бұрын
@@gingercore69 i am sure the news try to avoid "defamation", despite it's obvious who is wrong here
@aloris_
3 жыл бұрын
@@gingercore69 I would agree that him admitting it is damning evidence. However under the law it's usually what you can prove and not the evidence itself that determines innocence or guilty
@Y0UT0PIA
3 жыл бұрын
That's not what 'cancelling' generally refers to, and the people it affects aren't usually literal criminals who would otherwise be dealt with by the justice system anyway, you know.
@Densoro
3 жыл бұрын
The thing people keep missing is, fiction can’t override an existing, strongly held belief, but if you have a gap in knowledge, fiction can fill it with misinformation. Everybody knows that murder is wrong but nobody knows a shark. That’s the problem, and that’s why violent video game comparisons don’t work here.
@CrimsonWolfStudios
3 жыл бұрын
Same applies to other stuff, like ADHD.
@quiettiger2406
3 жыл бұрын
Best explanation I’ve seen
@dog_wont_stop_for_a_pic
3 жыл бұрын
I went back to rewatch this video and saw this comment and holy shit is so simple and important
@marie5349
3 жыл бұрын
to add to that, at the end of the day, it's not the fictional work's job to educate you. jaws wasn't meant as an educative movie, and nsfw art is not meant to be sex ed. if a child stumbles upon say a fiction that portrays incest without explicitly condemning it, and they didn't have enough education about romantic and sexual relationship so they had to fill the gap with whatever was in that fic, it's not the author's fault but their parents for not having that talk with them. Same goes for even for vanilla nsfw content. if a teen is having unsafe sex because most characters in fics don't use protection, that's not the author's fault but the education system's for not giving enough sex ed. and now even author's are conscious of it and try to give as much warnings as possible, tags like "unsafe sexual practices" and "dead dove, do not eat" are here for that (for those who don't know, dead dove do not eat basically mean: this work contains morally questionable/reprehensible/wrong content, said content won't be explicitly condaimned if at all, but the author knows said content is wrong) tldr: if someone, and especially someone young, get wrong messages from work that was not meant to be informative, especially nowadays when author's tag and put warnings on the most "problematic" content, it's not the author's fault/responsibility, but the educational system for not already educating them on the subject. and that's why we should prioritize making sex ed available to all (for those interested scarleteen have very good queer-friendly resources on the matter)
@marie5349
3 жыл бұрын
just to clarify I agree with you, I'm just adding a bit from my own to your idea
@sdtwirix1126
3 жыл бұрын
10:10 As someone familiar with the original version "Don't like, Don't Read", I think it should be noted this originally came from the Fanfic community, and is in reference to reading fics with darker stuff that is explicitly stated in the description/tags, e.g. Major Character Death; Hurt/No Comfort; Dead Dove, Do Not Eat; ect. It is not a defence against criticizing the work, just that you shouldn't force yourself to read it if it is something you know you won't like, especially if it's explicitly stated by the author.
@crazydragy4233
2 жыл бұрын
THIS. I 'love' when things get popular and become pure irony lol.
@Warriorlyy
2 жыл бұрын
exactly, the point is “if youre not looking for a fic with a mc death, then dont read. and if you do, don’t complain” when other people use ‘dont like, dont read/watch’ in reference for the blatant or subtle red flags its wrong. dont like, dont read/watch is a statment for opinions, personal preferences. its not a defense, it’s basically a tag warning
@_kikyu
2 жыл бұрын
if u dont like something, dont view it but if u dont like something bcuz it negatively affects a certain group of ppl or urself, u can make a fuss abt it. (repsectfully and civilly, duh)
@CatHasOpinions734
2 жыл бұрын
PRECISELY. And I think another thing that's important to keep in mind is that fanfic is fundamentally different in a few different ways, the audiences tend to be much smaller, they are being created usually by one person working alone, maybe you've got a friend or someone who likes your work helping with editing but even that is rare, and they're almost always not monetized. There are a wide variety of reasons that it makes sense to have different standards for fanfic than for published works.
@wajmgirl
2 жыл бұрын
I wish a few commenters would take that to heart with this video
@BlackieSootfur
3 жыл бұрын
Man I'm glad I'm not the only one concerned about cancel culture It always bugged me that cancelling someone sort of robs them of the chance to change their behavior and learn. Human beings are not infallible. Maybe it's naive of me to think so, but I wanna believe most people are willing to listen and change when merely called out instead of cancelled
@TurtleChad1
3 жыл бұрын
We need to help lolicons change to be normal members of society.
@deckmanbestie9772
3 жыл бұрын
@@TurtleChad1 What?
@deckmanbestie9772
3 жыл бұрын
@@TurtleChad1 unless you mean it the good way, turning them back into normal people
@sunMMVIII
3 жыл бұрын
I believe that *a lot* of people are willing to listen and change. But, I think *most people* aren't willing to listen and change, because they haven't deeply considered that they could be wrong. People don't automatically recognize that there is an actual problem in many circumstances, so defensiveness and insincere apologies are a major concern.
@deckmanbestie9772
3 жыл бұрын
@@sunMMVIII Lots of people refuse to accept they are in the wrong, even though there's proof and logic.
@AHylianWarrior
3 жыл бұрын
Remember when it was revealed Isao Takahata, one of the founders of Ghibli, purpose worked people to the death of their careers and even their own deaths? Dude practically killed off an entire generation's worth of artists and literally worked to death others cause he demanded perfection. People even knew and confronted him about it and he just kinda nodded to it at one of their character designer's funeral (who was 47)
@matthewkolawole1763
3 жыл бұрын
Damn this is crazy I am only Hearing about this now. So most of the high quality movies is cause most of the artist were over worked?
@MayorOfEarth79
3 жыл бұрын
Not just any people, but Yoshifumi Kondō who made Whisper of the Heart. Ghibli is gonna die within a generation.
@user-nk2yn2hh6h
3 жыл бұрын
cant have shit in detriot. mannnnnn
@TurtleChad1
3 жыл бұрын
A Turtle doesn't approve of lolicon 🤮🤮🤮👎
@StNick119
3 жыл бұрын
@The Otaku J ChannelThank you, it's good to ask for a source.
@dragonpjb
2 жыл бұрын
Art affecting people is literally the entire point of art.
@RezieThe3rd2480
Жыл бұрын
I KNOW RIGHT! that's what I'm thinking. I'm a digital artist- also a minor- and I'd like to say I'm actually more educated on pedophilia topics than most gen z adults out there. Just puts it in perspective how narrow-minded you can be when you're defending something that you consume. Problematic media is problematic, no matter who *you* are. (This isn't directed at you! ^^)
@Blanch590
Жыл бұрын
Bugs bunny taught me that bunnies eat carrots when in reality carrots are unhealthy for them. I learned that two months ago. Art has a vice grip on humanity.
@abiliv-lf9tz
Жыл бұрын
Couldn't say it better myself-
@abiliv-lf9tz
Жыл бұрын
Y your pfp looking like a mugshot?
@cammyshill3099
Жыл бұрын
@@RezieThe3rd2480 If you believe in such a thing as "problematic" art you can't be an artist. You will never even understand what the concept it from the outside, let alone be one. You're either with the book burners or against it. Keep trying to tie everything with whatever crime you're imagining currently all you want. A art-hating censor you are and a art-hating censor you will remain.
@MrSamthefan
3 жыл бұрын
The funny part about it being more likely to be killed by a vending machine than a shark is that it's all because of human vanity. People getting mad at vending machines and shaking them causing them to fall over. In the end, we are always our own worst enemy.
@izzy642
3 жыл бұрын
oooooo philosophical lol
@theblasblas
3 жыл бұрын
It is important to note that people have been afraid of sharks loooooong before Jaws, there are literally ancient myths about sea creatures based on sharks. Jaws did not cause the fear of sharks, and had no noticeable effect son shark populations.
@theblasblas
3 жыл бұрын
@leo For some reason youtube isn't letting me paste the link. Just search "psychologytoday media myth". They lay out how the decrease in shark population hasn't significantly increased since the release of Jaws, and that even the writer of Jaws said that he based the story on fears that were already common at the time.
@Limptastical
3 жыл бұрын
@@theblasblas yeah, KZitem is super shit with links. Idk why I guess they think it’s spam
@HonkerHMoose
3 жыл бұрын
In other other words, we ruined everything. In other other other words, we suck.
@genoswest7253
3 жыл бұрын
I’m Japanese and Jesus Christ thank you you’re the only youtuber who actually corrected the age of consent!! It’s literally like, 13 no where here ! But government grandpas please change the minimum LOL
@zerocat4752
3 жыл бұрын
No
@Direblade11
3 жыл бұрын
I'm pretty sure most westerners understand that the age of consent is older than strictly 13 there. It's really easy to be misinformed though
@defechan7486
3 жыл бұрын
@@Direblade11 They have separate laws specifically for dealing with foreign nationalists. If your an American age of consent is 18, no exceptions. Some countries might allow 16 so japan will allow it but no younger 16 it's cut off there. 13 is permissible in some prefectures for Japanese national only be it omeai or simply parental approved no exceptions, never foreigners.
@inamib.9786
3 жыл бұрын
People who make that argument are just arguing in bad faith imo. I’ve seen it disproven every time it’s brought up
@defechan7486
3 жыл бұрын
@Lionard Kirsch It's not as common as it use to be but arranged marriages of that type still happen. Wealthy married off to wealthy. Most omei aren't real arranged marriages anymore either, in older people who have had no luck or failed at dating might sign up for speed date or cruse strangely enough they also have mass weddings. Parental pressure does play a big role in actual arranged marriage tho. And a lot of the ones you think are kids really aren't. There's a lot more what westerners would refer to as legal loli than you think.
@Colorlightt
3 жыл бұрын
You are handling this shockingly, shockingly level headed. The amount of empathy reasonableness while still holding boundaries is actually super refreshing.
@TurtleChad1
3 жыл бұрын
A Turtle approves of the way she is handling this.
@murderman8578
3 жыл бұрын
Nah
@TurtleChad1
3 жыл бұрын
@@murderman8578 Get out of here you lolicon defender 🤮👎
@JaniHorvat1
3 жыл бұрын
@@TurtleChad1 We approve of your disapproval of the individual in question
@TurtleChad1
3 жыл бұрын
@Andromeda Bro just admit that you are too anti intellectual to understand what the video is saying and that you also enjoy watching lolicon.
@Yuki2501-yh4ik
Жыл бұрын
As a trans person, I really appreciate that you're standing up for us. I live in a country where homophobia and transphobia are rampant and trans people get ridiculed and mocked on TV (my main reason for not coming out), even murdered in some parts of the country. Still, knowing people like you from my internet circles are actively speaking to defend us gives me hope. From the bottom of my heart, thank you. ❤
@Aaa-vp6ug
6 ай бұрын
The fact I can name more than one country that fits this description concerns me.
@paisleyq4537
3 жыл бұрын
“you can not use culture differences as a defense when part of that culture also ends up hurting people” THIS
@TurtleChad1
3 жыл бұрын
Lolicons still wouldn't understand since they're all braindead.
@TheDarkAngel969
3 жыл бұрын
@@TurtleChad1 and you realize the video uploader is a shotacon, yes? That kinda makes her a hypocrite
@A_B_1917
3 жыл бұрын
@@TheDarkAngel969 Is she? She did show shotacon stuff when talking about supposed harmfullness of sexualizing children, so she likely considers shotas bad too. Just stating facts, I don't agree with her, but I don't think she is a hypocrite.
@TurtleChad1
3 жыл бұрын
@@TheDarkAngel969 She is not. Stop spreading your misinformation.
@JArt872
3 жыл бұрын
@@TurtleChad1 Japan has the lowest rates in Sexual Child Abuse cases compared to the rest of the world, including being lower than America, which lil miss Noralitie happily boasted Merica about. Not defending such actions but her information is far from the truth. And she knows it. One of her sources literally stated that "There is no clear connection with Loli/Shota Media being tied to the abuse cases. The only thing that is large in rates, are the Physical Abuse cases and Neglect.
@Anvitzi
3 жыл бұрын
"Just use Piracy please" Me living in Argentina: Wait... do I actually had to pay for all the anime I consume all these years? I thought it was for free!
@coeurulea
3 жыл бұрын
hello fellow argentinian 👁️
@Anvitzi
3 жыл бұрын
@@coeurulea Hello :D
@someonen2367
3 жыл бұрын
on the same page with you
@Anvitzi
3 жыл бұрын
@@someonen2367 Nice :3
@myon9431
3 жыл бұрын
I don't get it
@jltgomp
3 жыл бұрын
Online harassment isn’t canceling, it’s cyber bullying. If you want to cancel something or someone, just delete them from your life! Harassment is never good, no matter who it’s directed at. Trust me, well thought out criticisms are the way to go if you really want to bring attention to problematic behavior.
@murderman8578
3 жыл бұрын
Where's the Problematic behavior of the Author of Dragon maid, he still gonna make more money than you
@TurtleChad1
3 жыл бұрын
@@murderman8578 Imagine defending lolicon lol cringe. Go back to your basement to watch your gross lolicon 🤮
@TurtleChad1
3 жыл бұрын
@Andromeda Oh no another lolicon defender get out of here you undesirable human 🤮🏳️
@pokefandylan2117
3 жыл бұрын
But authoritarian regimes are deleting minorities they don't like from their lives and that is very bad
@sciencewolf7775
3 жыл бұрын
@Andromeda I can agree with that. That’s why when I argue with someone I use a reference list
@saifis
3 жыл бұрын
I am Japanese, about the age of consent thing in Japan, its not that anybody thinks its okay that the age is 13, and there has been talks about changing it many times and what it usually boils down to is "then what age do we change it to?" and nobody can agree on it be 16, 18 or even 20, and usually just settle down on "well every local government has made their decision on it why not leave it at that." Also its not like a bunch of 13 year old girls are getting married or pregnant left and right so, its not like there is major pressure to raise it for prevention.
@Mecks089
3 жыл бұрын
Honest question though: Is Anime & Manga seen as Problematic or is it just a minor western perspective? I heard that a majority of Japanese don't even watch anime because there's no time for it. Manga on the other hand is read by everyone of all ages. But is it Problematic as this video claims?
@saifis
3 жыл бұрын
@@Mecks089 Well the way I see it its the same as video games cause violence debate. Also statistics I really find it a bit disingenuous when you don't show actual numbers and trends in them, for example say the number of gun violence related deaths in Japan rose 200%, that would be about 4 people dying of guns a year. But you can still say gun violence in Japan has exploded can't you?
@Mecks089
3 жыл бұрын
@@saifis That depends on the context of the reports. The term Gun Violence is also very obtuse, as it can mean many different incidents in regarding a gun-related crimes. Was it a home accident? Hunting accident? Isolated incident? Mugging/Robbing? Homicide? Police dispute Issue? Gang Issue? An American Army Base issue? There needs to be more context involved otherwise it's just a blur of a result.
@saifis
3 жыл бұрын
@@Mecks089 That is exactly what I said I'm not sure why you are rephrasing what I said, my point is using numbers and graphs to show your point often times have setbacks especially when you are compared 2 graphs from different sources, often times won't support your point but becomes a point that will unravel it.
@WobblesandBean
3 жыл бұрын
I thought the 13 yo thing itself was only "legal" if the partner was also young, am I mistaken? I thought it was still very much illegal for anyone over 18 to be with a literal child. Yeah I don't care how you try to justify it, at 13 you are a child.
@llGuydll
3 жыл бұрын
Cancel culture is super toxic, Ive seen people getting attacked on twitter in swarms just for liking something "they" deemed problematic, and it isnt even that problematic imo, this hurts ppl so much, being sent death threats, I felt so bad for those who are ostracized, cancel culture and twitter is the most toxic thing. Ostracizing people who do something minorly offensive is the opposite of making someone more tolerant.
@metalphoenix4244
3 жыл бұрын
That's what happens when a platform fosters a culture of "If you dislike something get it cancelled"
@TurtleChad1
3 жыл бұрын
A Turtle doesn't approve of cancel culture
@unclekarma1855
3 жыл бұрын
Look at lindsay ellis's video. It pretty much states the experience of a person getting cancelled for basically nothing
@gdash1996
3 жыл бұрын
@@TurtleChad1 well that a fucking lie
@Thebigcoffee
3 жыл бұрын
@@gdash1996 how-
@books2438
3 жыл бұрын
Where I live an author was arrested for writing about minors being sexually assaulted in the context of a horror story. He was found not guilty and released, but the point is, no one was defending what he wrote, everyone agreed it was disgusting. People only defended the freedom to write and that’s it. Also, the fact that it was a horror story. What he wrote wasn’t framed as cute or hot. It was there to make you feel uncomfortable Edit: a lot of y’all are blaming the liberals or sjw’s or whatever but it was actually 30 year old moms that had problems with it from what I’ve seen Edit: Also I’ve been thinking. It does bring up some interesting points. If a p*do writes and/or reads and... enjoys... books like Lolita... it’s not inherently wrong? I mean, it's disgusting but they're not harming anyone. I’d rather they’d be doing that than like sexually assaulting minors. But does reading these make them want the irl version more than if they hadn’t? Is it a good outlet or does it make them more dangerous to everyone around?
@IcidLink
3 жыл бұрын
I believe in the Freedom of Art just like most French People also do. There shouldn’t be limits to art and Anime is in my Opinion an Art form even when some People argue it’s too commercialized but for me it’s Art. All this talking about Cancel this Cancel that wich mostly come from Leftist Circles in the USA and spread all over the World annoys me even Media in my Country like to have articles about how problematic certain old Movies or even Cartoons like Lucky Luke are and that you shouldn’t Watch them anymore that BS you have to see This Media in the Context of the time it was made and on top not everything have to be 100 % Political Correct. Lucky Luke for example is a Parodie of Western Movies and the Tropes / Stereotypes you find in these Movies it’s a Satire and the Stereotypical Characters are there to Satirize those Western Movies who also Had these Stereotypes
@thenotsoamazinggracetnsag3463
3 жыл бұрын
Sexual harassment in anime can exist as long as it’s framed in a bad way.
@IcidLink
3 жыл бұрын
@@thenotsoamazinggracetnsag3463 so than you would probably think something like Lolita is Bad too (The Novel)
@thenotsoamazinggracetnsag3463
3 жыл бұрын
@@IcidLink What is Lolita? Other than the fashion I’ve heard of.
@thenotsoamazinggracetnsag3463
3 жыл бұрын
@Simply Emoni Is it framed in an a bad way? And also does he get over with it or finds a way to stop lusting for her in the end.
@customercareskeleton
3 жыл бұрын
"Acts of goodness are not always wise, and acts of evil are not always foolish, but regardless, we shall always strive to be good" - Martyr Logarius
@pacnat_9069
3 жыл бұрын
Did I miss some extra dialogue at Cainhurst??
@emmad.8815
3 жыл бұрын
lovely
@TheLittleBlackOwl
3 жыл бұрын
I did not expect to see that here, but nice.
@4thanonymousperson
3 жыл бұрын
@@pacnat_9069 nah, it's from an item description. If memory serves, it's on some of the Executioner attire or weapons.
@sopranophantomista
3 жыл бұрын
Unexpected Bloodborne reference and I'm not mad about it.
@Zoodude254
3 жыл бұрын
I think "The Good Place" sums it up pretty nicely; "The most important thing a human can do is try. they just need to get a little better every day."
@Pandaemonium
3 жыл бұрын
Thank you for mentioning this. You don't want to end up like Douglas "Doug" L. Forcett.
@crestren5996
3 жыл бұрын
Oh my god, I never thought Id see someone reference "The Good Place". But yeah, the important thing about it is to try and get better each day.
@ileanabriannemari
3 жыл бұрын
@@Pandaemonium his life was and _is_ tragic. Especially when they revealed that his points are... _well you know what happened._
@slevinchannel7589
3 жыл бұрын
Yeah, being worried is fine, i guess, but how about 'acting'? I mean, I am kinda levels beyond your 'worry' already and have already done a lot. I have made it my Hobby to be the Opposite of cancel-culture; something i hope you at least know is possible? Cause it would be really sad if you dont? Cancel-Culture has made people, after all, believe that use of the report/flag-option, for example, is now 'eeeevvvillll', which is of course hilariously wrong, duh. I meanwhile actively search and confirm problematic content, like Racists (mind this really just being an example cause this comment is already getting too long...), so they get deleted. So if ever making or even just watching KZitem-Videos about 'Being Worried' is not enough for you anymore (cause why would it) and you wanna act - tell me. I know a way.
@debateme4757
3 жыл бұрын
How does that relate to the video?
@multiwrecked9990
3 жыл бұрын
The age of consent in Japan is not 13 idk why people always get that wrong but no one under 18 can walk into an adult store, or go to a AV shop if they are under 18, or even 20, etc. ALL the same rules apply. There are many efforts to raise the minimum age, its not just accepted in society or something like that.
@cenitatillery7558
3 жыл бұрын
I think the reason plenty of people get it is because of the constant spreading of that misinformation. Even searching up what Japans age of consent is it says 13. And even me myself was confused for the longest time about what Japans age of consent was, as plenty of people were saying that the age of consent was 13 in general,that the age of consent differed depending on the region of of where you were at in Japan or that 13 was the age of consent for teens aged 13-17 and the that the general age of consent was 18. Hope that explains it.
@greatninja2590
3 жыл бұрын
it's only some areas with the 13 age of consent in major cities and like a lot of prefectures in Japan it's 18 but it can go as low as 16 if there is parental consent.
@cenitatillery7558
3 жыл бұрын
@@greatninja2590 So the age of consent depends on the prefectures it seems,it like in the us how the age of consent depends on the state.
@namename2040
3 жыл бұрын
Thank you for this information. I genuinely did not know or understand this.
@milesgwatidzo4143
3 жыл бұрын
That's people for you.
@VampPhoenix99
2 жыл бұрын
This might be the most nuanced video essay I've seen talking about this subject. I see a lot of takes that are either "fiction never has any consequences" or "eww this media/author is gross, right? let's all sit around and agree about how gross they are and how much better we are for hating them". It's refreshing to hear "media does affect reality but solving the problems it causes is not as simple as flinging hate at the creators/consumers and sometimes that hinders their mistakes getting fixed."
@abadenoughdude300
Жыл бұрын
Which is why difficult issues are either brushed aside or hurr-durr'd - when you sit around agreeing how morally superior you are for liking/disliking something you get instant gratification for zero effort, meanwhile trying to actually solve problematic issues is a job for a lifetime and it may ultimately fail anyway. People don't like putting in effort for things that don't affect them personally, but they sure do like being with the "good guys".
@alicevioleta3184
Жыл бұрын
this is why i miss her. she's very nuanced with her takes and nobody really wants to be. shame people bullied her off the internet.
@rencogu2877
3 жыл бұрын
i also think that people need to understand that just cuz someone died doesnt mean that you cant call out their shitty actions even if its "disrespectful"
@gemain609
3 жыл бұрын
Walt Disney is a great case for this
@ImpMontezuma
3 жыл бұрын
I guess...If you want to use it as a example for other people.
@skrrtskrrt2410
3 жыл бұрын
*ahemahem*_HPLovecraft_*ahemahem*
@user-nk2yn2hh6h
3 жыл бұрын
@@skrrtskrrt2410 whyd he have to do his f@cking cat like that kjfdviearoghnie
@NecrochildK
3 жыл бұрын
@@user-nk2yn2hh6h What?
@dahliam5397
3 жыл бұрын
I just want to say how much of a breath of fresh air it is to see someone address literally some of my least favorite things that people actively ignore in the anime community. I just really enjoy watching your videos.
@lucasyoshikawa5933
3 жыл бұрын
she calling out a community saying things like "these elements needs to fix because i dont like them", imagine you hear someone talking shit about your tastes, you go on and defend it or at least try to reason with the offense, them your called a pedo by a stranger that doesnt know you, because you like Dragon maid.. Every video she did except for the Dragon maid and Isekai are SO GOOD... because she says things people ignore in Nice Shows. but the two exceptions are a Rant on other shows that she didn't even cared for but complained about it anyway like they had a problem needed to be fixed.
@adonii8364
3 жыл бұрын
@@lucasyoshikawa5933 The Dragon Maid video was also good. the Isekai one had valid arguments, but Re:Zero wasn’t a good example since it’s a deconstruction of the genre and needed to set up the stereotypical parts of Isekai so it could break them down. I’m not the biggest fan of Re:Zero, but I can safely say that it’s the exact opposite of a power fantasy. It sucks because people are going to be using the Re:Zero part to dismiss her opinions on everything else she talked about. As for the Dragon Maid video, she didn’t miss, not once. I’m not saying that if you enjoy the show or like Kanna (platonic or parental love only) then you’re a ped0, but Kanna and Saikawa are sexualized constantly, Iruru too. They’re all minors, so it’s gross. I enjoy the show, but I can still acknowledge that Dragon Maid is like, 20% ped0 bait.
@blitz4506
3 жыл бұрын
@@lucasyoshikawa5933 honestly i think she should focus on what she likes, since that isekai video felt unfair as she'd generalize why people like certain shows despite the fact she's only watched 4
@saraluciaforerogarcia
3 жыл бұрын
@@blitz4506 she didn't generalize in the video she says that you can like something and accept it's issues, which is good, because that wsy the problems can change. Specially if you have been in cons and have seen the amount of harrasment there is because people think that because they see those actions in anime they should be done in real life
@alyssum9266
3 жыл бұрын
@@lucasyoshikawa5933 Hey not sure if you missed it but at 1:38 she mentioned that she's going in good faith that the people who disagreed with her original video either are confused or just disagree. She never called them pedos. Also she had a whole section from about 14:38 - 18:28 about how people aren't bad for liking problematic media, including dragons maid. The issue isn't liking dragons maid and the issue isn't the dragons maid community as a whole. Hell she didn't even critique the dragons maid community as a whole in either of her videos. Its not the community, its the media itself. And even then its not like the whole media is shiet, she even says at 11:43 "The problem was not that I didn't like dragon maid, the problem was that it perpetuated harmful imagery of sexualized children, which is harmful to children"
@genevieveatwater4533
2 жыл бұрын
An interesting thing about doing more research is that sometimes it can actually make something that looks problematic seem a lot less so. I was really disturbed the first time I heard the story of Shakespeare’s the taming of the shrew, as I think a lot of people are, but learning the context around it made me realize that it was actually extremely progressive for its time. It was basically a commentary on a certain style of comedic plays where the whole joke was a guy beating his wife into submission. All of the sudden a story that looked like it was about extreme abuse came to me in a story about saying hey, don’t beat up your wife. Even if she’s awful. She will come to love you more if you are kind to her. And while any given person may or may not agree with the idea that she ought to be submitting to him in the end, it is a big difference from looking at it from a modern perspective. Anyway I just thought that was interesting
@isamaple
7 ай бұрын
Yep in both directions research is great
@candidklutz5056
3 жыл бұрын
why did i learn from this video that a movie single handedly brought the kkk back
@four-en-tee
3 жыл бұрын
So she could prove a point
@ZeoffArcaneOfficial
3 жыл бұрын
Because the U.S. whitewashes its history VERY hard.
@BetaRed
3 жыл бұрын
Because it really didn't
@Nerdcoresteve1
3 жыл бұрын
I don't know, single-handedly is probably a stretch. Let's just say there was fertile soil where that seed got planted.
@JArt872
3 жыл бұрын
A 100 year old Propagnada Video during a time where the only way to see it is in theaters that isn't made for the mass public as entertainment but for potential new members, didn't really bring back anything nor have anything to do with the current media. Don't why she even brought it up, but okay.
@Molly-ml1wn
3 жыл бұрын
"Just in case you were wondering why there aren't a lot of us, it's because we're being intentionally pushed out of this space with this kind of general harassment" This. Right here.
@djyoutubetomp3
3 жыл бұрын
good, you don't belong here
@AquaFoxes
3 жыл бұрын
The harassment bit is so true. This channel is like a breath of fresh air for me, because despite the hate comments I find in the general comments section and replies (such as polished rubbish's reply to your comment) it's still a lot more welcoming, interested, and open to discussion of these topics than lots of other places. which is kinda sad lol but yeah.
@ragsdale710
3 жыл бұрын
Yeah, we need to push them out harder
@misakayy1911
3 жыл бұрын
lol if it pushes you out it should be done more tbh
@banzaikampfmaschine_der_echte
3 жыл бұрын
And how is this bad?
@arsony1775
3 жыл бұрын
Danganronpa V3 explains the theme of "Fiction is not real but it affects reality" pretty well. Just because fiction doesn't technically happen, it can have effects on not only culture and people, but on the actors as well.
@liafigueiredo9055
3 жыл бұрын
This game is very sexist.
@NATE-op9tq
3 жыл бұрын
V3 the best danganronpa can't change my mind
@jenniferpotterson8786
3 жыл бұрын
Ah yes, the game about the story of teenagers murdering each other which causes society to hold annual teenager murdering games for half a century. Truly the pinnacle of great representation of the dangers of media.
@alfie3.14
3 жыл бұрын
@@liafigueiredo9055 h. How
@Justme-wm8vr
3 жыл бұрын
@@jenniferpotterson8786 You're intentionally misunderstanding what they said. Of course the Danganronpe V3 example is kind of hyperbole. But it's core message can very much be applied to real life. Media can very much affect reality, even negatively. For example, after the Game of Thrones-series became popular, a lot of people bought dogs that looked a lot like the direwolves in the show, because they thought direwolves were cool and/or wanted to be more like the Starks, who owned the direwolves. Problem was, the dog breed in question required a lot of care and not everybody who adopted one could provide that. So most of those dogs were returned to the shelters or flat-out abandoned (source: www.nationalgeographic.com/animals/article/game-of-thrones-dire-wolf-fans-buying-huskies). Media can influence large groups of people, even if doing so wasn't the author's intend. It's like what Nora said, "Media doesn't exist in a vaccum".
@NoirRaven
3 жыл бұрын
Instead of saying, "I cannot be held responsible for information I don't know," you should've said, "I am not responsible for the money after it leaves my hands." It's something a lot of people tend to confuse when it comes to giving money. They see giving a street guy money as supporting a drug habit, meanwhile they just came out of a liquor store and are going to be having boxed wine for dinner. There's this classism, entitlement and delusions of grandeur when it comes to homeless/poor people doing anything the non-homeless can. Like, I remember reading this story on Tumblr about a pair of kids in a nearly-on-the-street family: the younger, autistic brother worked his ass off for months to buy his sister a 3DS for her birthday. They decided to try it out outside, on their own stoop, when a neighbor caught them and berated for having "an item of luxury" without knowing the context. It was earned through hard work but because poor equals, living on the street or dressing in rags, these kids weren't allowed to have an expensive _toy._ The autistic brother was reported to have fallen into a depression and I've never seen any updates. I hope he recovered, but I can see how he would probably grow up neglecting himself/his needs or never buying anyone a gift again after being traumatized like that. Anyway, the lesson I'm trying to convey is: it's not your responsibility to feel guilty for how a pervert used your money for evil.
@sdtwirix1126
3 жыл бұрын
Fair point, however I think the point she was trying to make was that she spent time and money on a show she didn't know was made by someone terrible. Think of it being like someone well intentioned donating to a charity that claims to aid people, let's say a charity that intends to help Autistic people, and tells their friends about it, but then it turns out, that said group was a branch of Autism Speaks, and that money was used promoting anti-vax and ablest bullshit. Hypothetical person feels bad that they entrusted their money to that charity and recommended it to their friends, but they were under the impression that they were helping at the time. But they can't blame themselves for not knowing what was going on. All they can do now is tell their friends what happened, and move on.
@TheAzurehound
2 жыл бұрын
i gave money to this homeless man once because i wanted to trail him up to the drug dealer and get some good stuff myself, was so disappointed, the dude put the money in his bank account. :P
@ChristianGibbons777
2 жыл бұрын
Can you try & find me the story please!?? About the autistic brother & his sister.
@MetaKnight964
2 жыл бұрын
Noirraven: To be fair the homeless should only buy what they need since it's all they can afford.
@wajmgirl
2 жыл бұрын
If a politician says that they specifically want to do some thing and in order to do it they need your help to get elected, that will include contributions to their campaign. Typically that comes in the form of financial contributions. So if they say they’re going to do something that’s harmful to a group of people and they need your support to do it and you support them by giving them money, guess what that means?
@bacontuna8386
3 жыл бұрын
As one of the new subscribers, I can't express enough how important it was to hear someone express their discontent about media. Having shaped a lot of my opinions on "being one of the boys", it feels like I'm finally uncovering some ""dark and sad"" truth about what I'm consuming and how I'm ignoring some of its less-than-ideal to outright-disgusting aspects.
@pinkyflavor9107
3 жыл бұрын
Oh my goodness! I can't agree more! All this sexualizing in anime just flew over my head and I used to see it as normal, but after noralities pointed it out it opened my eyes.
@48th_Ashley
3 жыл бұрын
I’m so glad I’m not the only one feeling like that :/ Can’t tell whether this video alleviates or worsens my guilt lol
@murderman8578
3 жыл бұрын
It's fine to be gross out but don't reach
@WhatIsMyPorpoise
3 жыл бұрын
@@murderman8578 they aren't really... sexualization of characters in the anime and manga industry is absolutely rampant. even minors. they're being a little melodramatic, sure but not wrong.
@murderman8578
3 жыл бұрын
@@WhatIsMyPorpoise Bruh it's always been like that bitching about it isn't going to change
@shadzytarts
3 жыл бұрын
Not to be dramatic but I almost cried at 'trans people are more important than a book'??? So thank you it means a lot to me
@StigmataMartyrz
3 жыл бұрын
Hahah same
@judgmentalanimal
3 жыл бұрын
Keep going strong my friend!
@dhoffnun
3 жыл бұрын
Nora has a gift for saying plainly what needs to be said. That line wasn't directed towards me, but I still felt it - like - why isn't this said so plainly and clearly more often? Well. It will be a bit more now, thanks to her work - and I think it's pretty darn natural to have some heavy feels about that.
@falazaria
3 жыл бұрын
Same
@rikogalau8851
3 жыл бұрын
Keep going and fighting strong my friend
@toganium4175
3 жыл бұрын
2:49 "It's part of Japan's culture!" Reminds me of the Americans who own a confederate flag just because of "heritage." Bad ethics aren't a cultural thing.
@zenogias01
3 жыл бұрын
Plus, honestly, "heritage," "states rights" and other arguments defending the flag (and the flag itself) were used as segregationist dogwhistles by segregationists themselves after desegregation. A couple generations of kids grew up with segregationist propaganda being piped straight into their brains to the ppint where they have internalized it.
@UmTois
3 жыл бұрын
Sometimes bad ethics are cultural, BUT That doesn't mean they are good and that are immune to discussions.
@Sarawarawara-
3 жыл бұрын
How hard Is It to know wanting to diddle kids Is not justified by culture?
@TGameDev
3 жыл бұрын
Technically its not even a cultural thing, it's legal at a national level (age of concent being 13). Though in practical applications you and your partner had best be 20+ or you'll be jailed by the prefectural police with a nice lawsuit from the parents as each precinct has their own amendments and policing separate from the national police (even if they're 18 and they concent, their parents also have to in some cases... its complicated). Meanwhile confederates were hated in their time, lost any power back in 1865, and have basically been salty bitches ever since. Not technically a 1-to-1 but I get what you're going for, bad ethics =/= culture. 😃
@redbananaboomerang3278
3 жыл бұрын
@@TGameDev well confederates were hated by those not in the Confederacy. I live in the south and I def have heard people mention the confederates in a positive light. And they didn't exactly lose power either, shit like Jim Crow laws and shit showed that those with the same beliefs held positions in the government.
@Zapporah85
3 жыл бұрын
I have a friend in Japan who has been a victim of sexual harassment from a young age and she's never persued anything against those people because of a: the shame culture and b: how unfortunately common it is. Now it is getting better, and by the time I went to high school in Japan, things were much better. But that doesn't mean the entire culture is without critique. Also, I know this is way to late and you'll never see it, but James Somerton's video on JKR is really good. It makes the whole thing a lot sadder to me to think about the trans people that felt utterly betrayed. And also yeah, go piracy!
@Aaa-vp6ug
6 ай бұрын
It’s funny that the shaming used to be on the SA-er, in some twisted way. As in that it used to be the SA-er was shamed and now it’s the victim almost writes the twisted joke itself, to clarify
@alya2510
3 жыл бұрын
As a fellow woman artist out in the industry of pop media (I work in games), thank you for speaking out about problematic things in media. It can be super hard for us to be heard even amongst colleagues, but the more people who talk about this and spread these ideas the better the world will be. Thank you. Thank you thank you thank you
@LL-tr5et
3 жыл бұрын
@Shin Shaman hello
@M4__1n
3 жыл бұрын
@Shin Shaman gender is a spectrum sex is a different thing you're probably talking about sexvand even then now you can change it
@TurtleChad1
3 жыл бұрын
@Shin Shaman Yes you can if you would like to change it go ahead no one is going to make fun of you.
@M4__1n
3 жыл бұрын
@Shin Shaman so i did not get half of the things you wrote i don't even use Twitter but anyways. I still believe what i believe have no odeia why infertile women were brought up, and you can just change anything about you if you have the money :/
@Renorayz
3 жыл бұрын
@Shin Shaman you're a degenerate in all it's light. You're the one crying btw, telling everyone that they can't be that and that and get pissed when someone "dares" talk back to you or don't agree with you. Let's see what all-mighty "women protector" is going to say next. (This is a repost because the other one got deleted for some reason, probably because it edited it twice in a row because of grammatical errors)
@QuaccAttacc
3 жыл бұрын
Making this type of content is very important for self-reflection in the community of people who enjoy Japanese media. Responsibly consuming even problematic media requires individuals to be aware and critical of what they consume, and long-form analysis like yours goes a long way to promoting that. I'm very sorry you received so much backlash for your previous video, and I hope you continue to produce similar content in the future.
@kurjaesitys
3 жыл бұрын
love this comment
@Sarawarawara-
3 жыл бұрын
Why would you want to self reflect and look at how you used to consume cp?
@QuaccAttacc
3 жыл бұрын
@@Sarawarawara- ???? are you inferring something, I don't understand this reply.
@Bigsword999
3 жыл бұрын
@@Sarawarawara- loli* not cp. antis can't tell the difference 🤣
@Sarawarawara-
3 жыл бұрын
@@Bigsword999 Loli Is different from lolicon loli Is the character and the character has no problem just when people make lolicon Which literally Is a real word for pedophile so If we are speaking English here we would call It cp not lolicon
@kaysonlee1031
3 жыл бұрын
I do not need to cancel shows because my Ships r not cannon. They all sail in my heart. :(
@Johnson-br2lw
3 жыл бұрын
wtf are you talking about
@kittycatboi923
3 жыл бұрын
What...? I'm so confused on what you're talking about
@swirly_twix7588
3 жыл бұрын
(TW) Doxxed, Harassement, Shipping Charaters. I think they are talking about people cancel other people for their ship like ex: some alot people got cancel or harassed because they ship deku x urauka by bakudeku or Tododeku shippers and it happen with fandoms like me that ship Saimatsu (Shuichi x Kaede) and Kiibouma (Kiibo x Kokichi) And hear stories that people got cancel or worse got doxxed by i believe Saiouma shippers and this the reason alot people quit their fandoms because these actions. I believe she talking about.
@mariae.8160
3 жыл бұрын
Crazy fans cancelling authors for not making their headcanon ships real (Ship is a romantic couple between characters).
@swirly_twix7588
3 жыл бұрын
@@mariae.8160 basically yea and i feel bad the authors has to deal crap and it sad tbh :(
@yanxishan6575
2 жыл бұрын
I love how Noralities includes a shark warning for viewers and then proceeds to use footage of a completely harmless whale shark.
@AtariDad
3 жыл бұрын
Krone's visual depiction is unfortunate, because she is a very well-written, fleshed out, intelligent, and nuanced character and you really do feel for her when she's quite literally made to be a sacrificial lamb. Hopefully the Amazon series be able to focus on these positive traits while getting rid of these negative stereotypes... that's assuming the series is any good to begin with and they don't completely botch it.
@johnross5098
3 жыл бұрын
Yeah I enjoy how she was written, but the Illistraitor really messed up.
@entityofthestars
3 жыл бұрын
truthfully, i believe they "fixed" her anime version as much as they could without straying from her OG design. which her OG design is actually fucking terrible and I hate it so much.
@mimikyulover3411
3 жыл бұрын
Yeah. Honestly I hope she was made like that to be more scary than racist, but you never know and I'm not willing to close my eyes at the problem. The thing that makes me think that way is that there are actually different skin colored characters, though I might be wrong and they might be just tan. Still, a redesigned version would be better for everyone I think
@narudayo5053
3 жыл бұрын
Why unfortunate? Black people are not a monolith group. I've already seen irl black girls that looks like her, and that because of fact that my mom spend a bunch of her time watching Congolese shows and being herself congolese. Krone is supposed to be terrifying. So black people can't also be shown as terrific or it's racist? Well if you could spend some minutes researching at some african movies with full black characters, you will see that some of them looks like Krone.
@eonstar
3 жыл бұрын
@Selin Because the way that Isabelle was terrifying was different. What makes Krone caricaturized?
@chillchester
3 жыл бұрын
yay i’m obsessed with this channel actually
@UmTois
3 жыл бұрын
Gotta love her avatar, funny thumbnail and thoughtful discussions.
@murderman8578
3 жыл бұрын
Condolences
@sansars1
3 жыл бұрын
Sorry about that.
@otakusage123
3 жыл бұрын
Pretty sad Ngl
@pedroportela6476
3 жыл бұрын
Did you guys notice that across this whole comment section it's like the same 3 or 4 guys being negative in the comment threads?
@Rognik
3 жыл бұрын
I do appreciate you addressing the whole Death of the Author argument. It's supposed to be used as an analysis of a work, not as a means to justify enjoying it. Also, it's meant to separate intent of the author from what actually made it on to the pages. Like, Dumbledore being gay is never directly mentioned in the text, and is at best alluded to. If Rowling wanted to brownie points for having gay representation, it needed to be in the text, not some tweet on Twitter. That's how Death of the Author is intended to be used; not saying Harry Potter should be taken away from her because she did a bad.
@andreahueck6207
3 жыл бұрын
I appreciate the video and agree with most things. The main thing I don’t agree with is the holier than thou attitude exuded when asking the question “why would you continue to love something after discovering how awful the creator is?” I can’t help that I adore Rurouni Kenshin and Harry Potter. When I found out about the Rurouni Kenshin author I was heartbroken and afraid to rewatch the show and have something that used to be so enjoyable for me be tarnished. I rewatched it and it was tarnished, but not enough that I didn’t still love what is great about Rurouni Kenshin. I realize that all I can do is not directly monetarily support the author, but I will not just cut these works out of my life forever, as I literally find the Harry Potter movies soothing and comforting. I didn’t appreciate the being made to feel “not good/moral enough” to just completely drop some of my favorite media ever. I can go out and look for and support non problematic content while still enjoy a limited consumption of the problematic content that I fell in love with before discovering the truth about the creators.
@zigzoinks5493
3 жыл бұрын
Thank you!!
@loregoblin3854
3 жыл бұрын
I agree with this. I think sometimes what hurts people the _most_ about realizing that one of their favorite creators is a scumbag, is that you look at the media they made, some of which might've been instrumental in teaching you some of your own values, and you wonder... how could they have made this, and still not understood how to be a good person? some of the stuff you learned from their work helped make _you_ a good person... how did _they_ get it so wrong?? it feels like a betrayal, because their work led you to believe that they'd know better. that they'd be better people than they are. the term "death of the author" is often misused, and this is something else that the video didn't mention, which I wish it had. "death of the author" also means that whatever is in the text, is in the text, regardless of author comments or stated intentions. so, taking J. K. Rowling as an example... if something inside of Harry Potter seems to promote anti-discriminatory ideas, like the idea that magic users born to non-magical families are just as good at magic as anyone else, then that's objectively part of the text... anyone can understand that message when they read it. but so is Hermione's crusade to free the Hogwarts house elves, which is portrayed as silly, because the house elves actually like their enslavement as long as they aren't literally physically abused. they have some sort of magical compulsion to fulfill that enslaved role, so they're actually happier if Hermione just leaves their situation alone. which... sounds for all the world like the kind of rhetoric that white slave owners used to use to justify their keeping of black slaves. it is, at the very least, a really bad point to try and make. and on top of that, Hermione's pursuit of activism on behalf of downtrodden people, is portrayed as a universally silly concept that isn't worth the effort that vocal activists put into it. both of these messages are simultaneously and objectively in the text, there to be found whenever you read it, always. even if the author were to make a statement that she didn't intend for the harmful stuff to be there. if it's there, it will be found by readers who don't know or care that she said that, in the future. in this case, "death of the author" means that she can't retcon what she already wrote. her word-of-god doesn't matter if a person can still pick these themes out of the end product, for better or for worse. and, likewise, if a ten year old kid reads the Harry Potter series nowadays, and somehow hasn't heard of any of the controversy surrounding Rowling online right now, they probably wouldn't guess that the author has something against trans people. not on their own. ultimately, it's good that a kid wouldn't pick that up from her work, but those who do know might also reread the Harry Potter series with a newly more critical eye for the finer details. if there's a description of a woman who is supposed to be unappealing in the Harry Potter series, and she is ever described as "mannish" then that rings louder alarm bells now, to those who know. and it _does not matter_ if Rowling swoops in and says "well I didn't meant it that way" now... people who know her politics will still find it more distasteful in the context of the information we have. that is death of the author. it doesn't mean that we can just 100% shelve the author to continue liking what they made as though they had nothing to do with it, or as though none of their issues could've possibly wormed their way into the work they did. you probably didn't absorb their harmful views, because you were young, and looking for the good that the series actually did for you. that's a testament to you, but don't give Rowling more credit than she deserves, for your kindness. obviously, if you still want to just remember the fun you had with the series when you didn't know there was anything wrong with it at all, you're within your right to operate that way from time to time. but I do think that at some point, it's more appropriate to confront what you know about that author, and turn a more critical eye to their work... to re-examine it for things you might not have noticed. like, if you really want to just use the work for comfort and escapism like you always have for your own benefit... honestly, I think that's also fine? but I think that it is best not to put any more money in the pocket of the person who made the work, and I think it's good to freely examine the work in public spaces where it is being discussed, when you're ready to engage with it on that level. I think you can enjoy something as a comfort in private while also being critical of it in venues where it matters. people are complex, and capable of holding multiple positions on something at the same time, and this is a good area of media engagement to practice that.
@ordenmanvrn7685
3 жыл бұрын
Totally agree. I would also like to point out how the main focus shifts on the main authors, completely ignoring other people. Just imagine how much people spend their time in the production of say, a 24 episode series of anime, would @noralities (or anyone else for that matter) stop watching an entire series if she found out that someone in the cast like a sound director commited a crime?
@sash_iii
3 жыл бұрын
i feel the same - an example i have is that it recently came out that a member of a band i really loved had been abusing and manipulating his girlfriend for years, and after i found out about it i felt too uncomfortable to continue listening to their music, even though i still loved their songs. however, i think its totally fine for other ppl to want to listen to their music knowing about the abuse, and i don't think i'm at all morally superior for not engaging or anything (i actually wish i still could without feeling really bad about it). i think it's fine to engage with content, even if it's by extremely problematic creators, as long as you don't give them money and keep the fact that they're probably not a morally good person in mind.
@Arufonsa1
3 жыл бұрын
I didn’t take that as holier than though. I took it as a question that we all sort of need to deal with. Like HOW do we do this?
@ThatDudePlatina
3 жыл бұрын
It is so tiring how often "anime fans" will come to defend child sexualization. Like, it’s so weird that’s just normal....
@lucasyoshikawa5933
3 жыл бұрын
We dont defend Child sexualization, we dont care about FICTIONAL child sexualization, the Response is about her mixing the two like they are one and the same we dont care about the Dragon maid Loli because she doesnt represent a real person we Cared About the Cuties movie because there WAS REAL CHILDREN DOING IT
@aislingokeeffe6195
3 жыл бұрын
@@lucasyoshikawa5933 Found the weeb, comment spamming the same blustering defense all through the comment section.
@typeouetco1626
3 жыл бұрын
@@lucasyoshikawa5933 based, hell, you can not like something and dont give a fuck about it
@sylver_drawer
3 жыл бұрын
@@lucasyoshikawa5933 Copy pasting now? Don’t pay attention to this guy, he’s been replying to every single comment with these points.
@ravengrey9709
3 жыл бұрын
@@lucasyoshikawa5933 You must have not watched the whole video because your entire argument is based around the "Fiction is not reality" when everyone else (Including you) is talking about media which has been proven by both this video and many others as actually having an effect on reality aka "Media does affect reality". "REAL CHILDREN", as you put it if, can be hurt by media like Dragon Maid because there is a real possibility that people who read dragon maid could go on to then sexualize real-life minors because the media they consumed said it was okay.
@krzysztof2828
3 жыл бұрын
it's so refreshing to see someone who has the same problems with the anime industry that i've had ever since my introduction to the medium it feels good to know i'm not alone here
@lucasyoshikawa5933
3 жыл бұрын
but you looked at anime industry trough their eyes ? she says theres inequality of gender, that theres nothing for her when theres tons for men.. Anime is genderless and Both Sexes Work on it to deliver the experience to the public. theres Loli and Ecchi for those who liked, not just for Male pervs. anime have more men, but doesn't mean is composed for men, you can only see it if you work on it, why would a Woman Work on a Show that sexualizes Children as The VA ? because they are not real and she needs the money
@krzysztof2828
3 жыл бұрын
@@lucasyoshikawa5933maybe the wording i used wasn't most fortunate. of course i don't have any problems with the people working on anime like voice actors, animators, composers etc. what i do have a problem with is, among other things, the way many anime series objectify female characters and sexualize children, and how all of this doesn't seem to bother anyone i speak to. sorry for any misunderstandings my original comment may have caused. i am aware that working in any art related field is difficult phisycally, emotionally and financially and demands working on projects that the artists would otherwise prefer not to work on given the possibility.
@gibas_3177
3 жыл бұрын
@@lucasyoshikawa5933 you completely missed the point dude, just know you can like anime and acknowledge the problems it has
@murderman8578
3 жыл бұрын
Should've stayed alone
@murderman8578
3 жыл бұрын
@@krzysztof2828 That's the Reality Deal with it
@cryptidcreeper2149
3 жыл бұрын
Thank you for addressing how anime often sexualizes children and women and explaining how it truly affects reality. Those are the main reasons why I tend to feel uncomfortable watching that kind of media, especially the stuff some male relatives watch. Having someone ruthlessly spell it out in plain terms with no excuses is so refreshing!
@lucasyoshikawa5933
3 жыл бұрын
but it only affects reallity if the ones that do it already had the Fckd tendensies, not because they are influenced by a cartoon, if it was Really a Problem there would be none in anime
@lucasyoshikawa5933
3 жыл бұрын
We dont defend Child sexualization, we dont care about FICTIONAL child sexualization, the Response is about her mixing the two like they are one and the same we dont care about the Dragon maid Loli because she doesnt represent a real person we Cared About the Cuties movie because there WAS REAL CHILDREN DOING IT
@snappieboi5026
3 жыл бұрын
@@lucasyoshikawa5933 ok
@brrrrr5306
3 жыл бұрын
@@lucasyoshikawa5933 🤡
@stone0170
3 жыл бұрын
@@lucasyoshikawa5933 fictional or not still an child lmao
@d0a0m
3 жыл бұрын
Bold of you to assume that there is a thing such as common sense in the internet
@namkia205
2 жыл бұрын
@Jotarodorifto Then prove me you have common sense.
@namkia205
2 жыл бұрын
@Jotarodorifto Proves nothing. I want to see REAL common sense, not basic stuff.
@crazydragy4233
2 жыл бұрын
There's nothing truly obvious. I love how people forget culture affects them and their norms in convos related to these things lol. We just have to hail something as objectively known or true, don't we?
@frickinfrick8488
3 жыл бұрын
I find people who think they’re immune to messaging from media are usually the most susceptible to it, since they fundamentally lack the ability to think critically about the influence of media on themselves.
@dhoffnun
3 жыл бұрын
Bingo ✔️
@Ledabot
3 жыл бұрын
Alternatively, they live in a media bubble where the ideas presented are so accepted by them they don't even recognise they've already internalised them and have already been affected.
@ChibiTalha
3 жыл бұрын
200 Iq statement
@asiamatron
3 жыл бұрын
Well said. I guess we could also say that some media is very effective at slipping under the radar. It's designed to influence people sometimes in ways that make it easy for someone to not notice they were influenced by it. Reminds me also of Buadrillard's ideas about the matrix or a simulation.
@otakudaikun
3 жыл бұрын
There's a CRITICAL flaw in pretty much this entire video. Blackface and Minstrel shows were MEANT to be offensive and harmful. They were openly mocking. Anime is meant to explore things that are supposed to be obviously fake. It exists to stimulate the mind and explore things that are clearly not okay for reality. Can that affect reality? Of course, but should we blame the media, or the person who's taking the wrong message from that media? Again, it depends on context. You show clips of Nazi flags and such, making a horrible comparison that our anime carries the same weight as fascist propaganda. THAT media was literally an advertisement meant to get people to support a military and government that was attempting to genocide an entire race. Dragon Maid, on the other hand, is a work of entertainment where the artist was all "this little dragon in thigh highs is adorable. Isn't it funny how this one character is absolutely obsessed with the dragon loli?" NOWHERE in that anime is it advocating for people to go look up CP or diddle kiddos. As such, if someone watches Dragon Maid and claims it influenced their pedo behavior, well that's THEIR problem. THEY should receive all the blame for not being able to distinguish fiction from reality. If someone watches Promised Neverland and gets the idea that all black people are scary just because of the exaggerated nature of Krone, that's THEIR fault. Krone is just one character in a fictional world where her circumstances aren't like anything we have in reality. You're mixing up deliberate hate campaigns with media that is intended for fantasy and escapism. People are able to watch anime and appreciate the very things you're complaining about without becoming the creepy, horrible people you're afraid they'll become. In fact, that's exactly how the creators intended their works to be enjoyed. As such, when people behave deviously after watching anime, we should be blaming them for not understanding the responsibility involved. Nobody's saying being a pedo is okay. Rather, we're saying that anime doesn't influence people to be pedos, and even if it DID, it wouldn't be the anime's fault, but rather the individuals who let themselves be influenced. As such, before we even dare change the anime, we should be addressing the mental instability of those who can't handle it responsibly. This whole thing can be compared to victim shaming. Even if, perhaps, a woman can avoid being assaulted by dressing more modestly, the true fault lies with people who take her wardrobe as an invitation to assault her.
@mazkerade
3 жыл бұрын
Black face was made to entertain. Period. White people didn’t care if it was “offensive”, it was funny, and it reinforced terrible ideas. People knew it was a play, people knew actual Black people weren’t behind these performances(most times) but the portrayals still affected and continue to affect mentalities today. N it’s easy to say that the responsibility is on the individual, but when you’ve grown up watching something being normal, it’s hard to unlearn that. Look as racism, or imperialism, or even gender norms. Media influences all of this. Even the media that isn’t actively Trying to(like fight club giving rise to underground fig hit clubs). It’s not about knowing whether or not it’s fake, it’s about how constant exposure to something affecting how you think about it.
@asiamatron
3 жыл бұрын
Well said. Anime is often a way to explore things that are meant to be fake and is often about fantasy, not reality like you said. It's possible that she was using the KKK, Blackface etc merely as a way to show that media can influence people. If that's the case I think it might've been wiser to use a different comparison though, one that is more relevant to the anime topic being discussed. Otherwise it does look like she's conflating the impact of fascist propaganda with the impact an anime like Dragon Maid might have on people. That's a bad comparison as you've already mentioned. The general consensus I got from people who watched Dragon Maid is that it's a lighthearted show with cute characters. I don't think they saw anything threatening in it.
@ferris2344
Жыл бұрын
Transphobia in anime is a real problem. It's frustrating and hurtful to see transgender characters being misrepresented or ridiculed. Anime should promote inclusivity and understanding, not perpetuate harmful stereotypes. We need better representation and positive portrayals. Let's speak up and support inclusive anime that celebrates transgender experiences. Together, we can make a difference. 💪🌈 BTW love your vid and your takes. I am agreeing more and more with you the older I get LOL
@frogglen6350
Жыл бұрын
Man if you think transphibia in anime is a problem, you should see the middle east and Africa. 😅 Anyway; why is it bad for anime to make trans jokes. But you give anime a pass when it jokes about white straight characters? Maybe 41% yourself
@ferris2344
Жыл бұрын
Ok so first, we agree that transphobia in anime is a problem and, we agree that transphobia is a problem worldwide right? What is then wrong with me stating such and agreeing with the video? You are also assuming a whole bunch of stuff about me here, while simultaneously basically saying that I can’t complain about something do to the fact that the problem is worse elsewhere (I find this hilarious ignorant)? I also don’t see how your comment is helpful, relevant or meaningful? So I just want to ask you what you are trying to convey in your comment, because right now you are saying a whole bunch of nothing? (I’m sorry if I seem very aggressive here and I would love to give you the benefit of the doubt)
@frogglen6350
Жыл бұрын
@@ferris2344 So I just found put noralities cries about female anime sexuLizatiom, yet she draws lewd mha art
@Mecks089
Жыл бұрын
If trans weren't linked to actual pedophilia & misogyny maybe there'd be less transphobia, but unfortunately that is how reality is. For some reason a lot of trans like to dance nearly completely naked in front of children. Also maybe if trans actually took their medication, they'd wouldn't have to forcibly push themselves into everything and everyone's face. It's almost like they created their own oppression from within.
@ARACHNIDPARTY
Жыл бұрын
@@frogglen6350 source????????? like for any of that???????????
@rinana4408
3 жыл бұрын
This video came at a great time. One of my friends was unjustly accused of liking incest due to some fandom bullshit. Wont go into detail, but people were super nasty about it. Your video perfectly framed my thoughts Edit: since people are arguing in the replies i should elaborate my friend never linked incest they just didn't educate themselves on the situation, changed their opinion, and CONTINUED to get harassed
@TurtleChad1
3 жыл бұрын
A Turtle doesn't approve of people who like incest 🤮🤮🤮👎
@lilygirllisa
3 жыл бұрын
@@TurtleChad1 I love that you're on this video there are so many anime fans who don't listen to criticism every time they hear it they just call it cancel culture
@TurtleChad1
3 жыл бұрын
@@lilygirllisa A lot of these anime fans are just reactionary people who don't like hearing anything that goes against anime.
@starcookiechu1918
3 жыл бұрын
I get the feeling I know the fandom.
@nik021298
3 жыл бұрын
@@TurtleChad1 Why is saying that necessary, it is obvious that Rinana also disapproves of incest and that the situation of "unjustly being accused of liking incest" is more similar to people accusing a Voltron ship of being pedophilic than it actually being pedophilic. To say that "A Turtle doesn't approve of people who like incest 🤮🤮🤮👎" can imply that the person Rinana was talking about did like incest, which I don't think was necessary.
@KikiCatMeow
3 жыл бұрын
I find it so odd that people use the "cultural differences" argument to justify it, because the minute you actually look into that argument, it crumbles instantly. Some anime fans (not all ofc) are really giving the genre a bad rep by not only defending child sexualization, but also being like "thiS iS wHy wOmeN sHoulDnT waTcH aNimE" when you called them out on it. I'm really hoping this is just a vocal minority And I 100% agree that cancel culture is certainly not the way to go. Harassing someone and sending death threats teaches them absolutely nothing
@gokukakarot5246
3 жыл бұрын
Im sorry the weirdo anime people found your last video. What you said what objectively true and really opened mind, Im glad your still at it!
@UmTois
3 жыл бұрын
Nice avatar btw. Jojolion is almost finishing and is in a great moment!
@gayrozayppeli8431
3 жыл бұрын
God I am too. Some of them were mean. While I appreciate her being mature and very respectful about it. People who are like them don't deserve it imo just from experience alone.
@匚尺丂乇-k3v
3 жыл бұрын
Damn I sometimes wonder what made them think that way
@Ian501st
3 жыл бұрын
I'm glad they found it, if for every 10 that where assh0les at least 1 can start doubting what they think and try to learn and better, its progress
@lifeisadrag7705
3 жыл бұрын
@αηgєl кσƒ Very true dude, I was in that state of mind too when I was 13-14? (I'm 17 rn) it's just more sadder knowing it's mostly adults who don't know how to have a nuance perspective on japan's culture that perpetuates in anime and worse when younger people, like mostly teens defend it because it's so normalized.
@SlugcatDahlia
7 ай бұрын
There's a large amount of people who are conformist as hell and have a really hard time thinking about concepts like the spirit of the rules vs the writing of the rules. It's just where they are at with their ego development. They need rigid rule structure. They don't like to see the world in greyscale. They don't like to be self-aware. They just want a conformity to help them make sense of the world. These kinds of people are the ones you see defending a law because it's a law, an obviously absurd thing to do, but that's where they're at. Leaving the conformity stage of ego development can be very hard thing to do, it means becoming self-aware and actually having to think for yourself about very complicated issues.
@Mecks089
6 ай бұрын
A.K.A. Sheeple.
@mistermoonjelly
3 жыл бұрын
I really respect how clear and concise you are about your stances on various issues. Everything we see in anime and in media in general. I'm typically not a critical thinker, so your videos have really helped me reflect and expand upon existing opinions I've had. I guess I just wanted to say that I appreciate what you do on this platform!
@lucasyoshikawa5933
3 жыл бұрын
we consume a foreign culture, we don't have influence over it, discussions about whats right or wrong is pointless unless its done there, her "theres a problem with X" doesn't fix it, only makes those who don't care angry. and being on the angry side of the internet nowadays is pretty much asking to be cancelled
@NoReplyAsset
3 жыл бұрын
@@lucasyoshikawa5933 and yet we do have influence over it. because anime keeps getting subbed or dubbed into English. and crunchyroll exists. I have a feeling you're just very uncomfortable with having your very favorite thing - anime - being criticised. I know it's nice to have a show you love, a community, and friends who love it too. nobody is trying to take these away from you.
@gibas_3177
3 жыл бұрын
@@NoReplyAsset yea, this guy is on a rant and try to say things that she addressed in this video but refuses to see or didn't see it the right way
@murderman8578
3 жыл бұрын
Said by a Shotacon
@murderman8578
3 жыл бұрын
@@NoReplyAsset it's just Licensing it doesn't affect the industry
@AquaFoxes
3 жыл бұрын
I think another thing with fiction and reality is that healthy discussion and criticism of media in general can help create consciousness over separating reality and fantasy, so that people are aware of harmful stuff propagated by certain media, and can consciously avoid internalizing it when enjoying that media, regardless of whether the media itself is regulated or anything like that.
@TurtleChad1
3 жыл бұрын
A Turtle approves of criticizing problematic media.
@Phatnaru0002
3 жыл бұрын
She was intentionally misleading with her information. Take for example the stuff about abuse rates increasing in Japan. Those rises reflect physical abuse, which has seen similar increases everywhere due to the pandemic. Sexual abuse has always been, and remains to be lower in Japan than almost any other country, and is a FRACTION of the rates we see here in the West.
@iloveshinobusengoku
Жыл бұрын
"the age of consent in japan is 13!1!1!" is the quickest way to let everyone know that you're not Japanese
@Goryalight
3 жыл бұрын
There was once a person in the discord server who said, "this fictional character can't have this hairstyle because of my culture." It seems that creators can't create characters without it being about themselves, and then they complain the lack of diversity in the fictional world.
@adish1401
3 жыл бұрын
I remember someone complaining about Midnight from mha wearing "something that real woman would never want to wear", and author being gross because his a man And this person didn't look like she's a troll in the slidest People just scare me Btw I'm a woman, and would love to dress like Midnight, hellow
@antikovt
3 жыл бұрын
I remember a content creator being cancelled for using a supposed Afro-American hairstyle in Animal Crossing on her white character. That was honestly even a bit funny
@adish1401
3 жыл бұрын
@αηgєl кσƒ EXACTLY!! I mean, that person angry at Midnights clothing said that "something-something guys are not important they are not in danger in our misogynistic society" Honestly I'm losing faith in humanity at this point I saw with my bare eyes person obsessed over smaller looking teens being with really feminine older ladies That should not be normalised Knowing this exists is one thing, but seeing this unfold infront of you...
@Mecks089
3 жыл бұрын
Soooo, by this logic, if I make a character to an online game (say like GTAOnline) to look like anyone that isn't my race, then I'm racist? But say if I make a black character and shoot the cops all the time, then I'm not racist?
@TheSlipperyNUwUdle
3 жыл бұрын
@@adish1401 I would 10/10 wear her outfit if I had the confidence level. (I am AFAB female) she’s beautiful and her outfit is cute. Some women like expressing their sexuality. Some do not.
@bestmimic
3 жыл бұрын
Honestly I gotta say it's nice to finally have found a channel saying the same stuff I've been saying for literal years now. Sometimes it feels like no one else cares about how sexualized children are in anime, or even worse, they enjoy it. This is my favorite KZitem channel now.
@flowersparkle5762
3 жыл бұрын
Same^^
@Phatnaru0002
3 жыл бұрын
She was intentionally misleading with her information. Take for example the stuff about abuse rates increasing in Japan. Those rises reflect physical abuse, which has seen similar increases everywhere due to the pandemic. Sexual abuse has always been, and remains to be lower in Japan than almost any other country, and is a FRACTION of the rates we see here in the West.
@tigerfestivals5137
3 жыл бұрын
@@Phatnaru0002 that's pretty scummy of her if true
@TurtleChad1
3 жыл бұрын
We need to protect this channel from the reactionary lolicon defenders.
@Phatnaru0002
3 жыл бұрын
@@TurtleChad1 She's not only intentionally misleading with statistics, she's also a hypocrite. She has a history of [censored]ualizing shotas.
@michaelahovey7482
3 жыл бұрын
I've never heard someone put how art influences people in such simple and clear terms. That was very well said.
@murderman8578
3 жыл бұрын
Nah
@keshagriffin3375
3 жыл бұрын
Agreed.
@lucasyoshikawa5933
3 жыл бұрын
theres good an bad coming from it, but learning to not mix reality with fiction an not be influenced by the media is key
@lindaunderling4637
3 жыл бұрын
Like video games
@skyxclouds3765
3 жыл бұрын
@@murderman8578 yes
@nepukamii
Жыл бұрын
A little bit of a hot take here but... fiction DOES affect reality... when it's handled irresponsibly. I don't think its an artists job to teach viewers that x and y is bad, and if its featured in their media, people should not be watching it if they don't ALREADY know that x and y is bad. Maybe the artist could say "x and y is bad please get out if this is not already thoroughly cemented in your brain." Because... there is still a line between fiction and reality, and you can feature "problematic" aspects in your work without ACTUALLY BELIEVING THEY SHOULD BE APPLIED TO THE REAL WORLD. You know? I think a lot of this discourse is reflective of the culture we've built around not talking about s*x ever (censored bc youtube) because, well, people ARE under educated about s*x and theres an absurd amount of people relying on things that SHOULD NOT BE RELIED ON to teach them. I mean, look at FPS games. Shooting people..? Horrible, OBVIOUSLY. But we've all been educated and can acknowledge that OBVIOUSLY this doesnt fly irl. The responsibility I think lies with how we educate people and not creators because.. frankly I think that is ridiculous.
@nepukamii
Жыл бұрын
^ none of this applies to the other side of problematic stuff like blackface/harmful stereotyping of minority groups or when the creator ACTUALLY supports and is trying to push what is featured in their media
@pabloherranz1795
Жыл бұрын
@@nepukamiibut still, that stuff is harmless if people realize it is bad and shouldn't be done, regardless of the intention of the author.
@nepukamii
Жыл бұрын
@@pabloherranz1795 yeah, if people still come into it educated and don't believe whatever is actually a good thing to do, the issue is mainly just with the author being shitty.
@pabloherranz1795
Жыл бұрын
@@nepukamii correct!
@PancakemonsterFO4
3 жыл бұрын
0:30 hey, we all knew that the Anime community wasn't gonna take this lightly, especially those who are into “loli fanservice“
@lucasyoshikawa5933
3 жыл бұрын
her videos that support a series (like the Princess Tutu) is better than the ones "theres a problem with X elements" (isekai and Dragon maid), no one wants to hear bad things from someone that misguided (the Hate is a Consequence of bad reviews and critics) on the tings they like. i dont want noralities to be cancelled, i Want her to stop attacking other communities saying "there's a problem here that needs to be fixed" and focus on the the Good content she already made
@d0d0b1rd
3 жыл бұрын
@@lucasyoshikawa5933 I agree
@PancakemonsterFO4
3 жыл бұрын
@@lucasyoshikawa5933 but there is a problem, just because you never thought about it being harmful doesn't mean it doesn't subconsciously normalize borderline pedophilic behaviour. Instead you outright dismiss this possibility for being “just fiction“ with no regards on the effects some contents can have on developing minds. Fanservice involving child coded characters (and Miss Kobayashi was really pushing it) should have a extra high age rating while being as unacessable as possible rather then being celebrated as the next big seasonal anime everyone should watch because then pedophilia becomes mainstream and this is the last thing i want
@Accan2
3 жыл бұрын
@@lucasyoshikawa5933 lucas it is worth noting that this video has 3.5k likes and a good like/dislike ratio so when you say "no one wants to hear bad things from this person" you are literally just saying nonsense. That said, you can't accuse her of "attacking communities" either because reasonable critique is not an attack... so basically your entire comment is not making any meaningful argument
@tiajoseph7309
3 жыл бұрын
@@lucasyoshikawa5933 If they're too sensitive and thin skinned to hearing the sick truth, then they shouldn't be watching this video.
@crestren5996
3 жыл бұрын
I was hoping that the Jaws bit would be brought up since, it is one of the best examples of how fictional media, can affect reality and people's perception on topics. Fiction has both affected and influenced reality despite what people say. Dont stop making these videos, we need more critiquing media we have today.
@thegreatgamers9812
3 жыл бұрын
I mean kinda, this just feels similar to the whole "violent video games make people violent because it incentivizes violence" argument.
@roonkolos
3 жыл бұрын
Hang on. people weren't afraid of sharks or hunting thek before that movie was made?
@saraluciaforerogarcia
3 жыл бұрын
True, it's basic logic and classical conditioning but if you bring up actual scientific facts, people still defend the issue and call you names
@mellamojeff458
3 жыл бұрын
yeah no it was debunked as a myth as there were not public panics about sharks and is largely due to overfishing that shark populations were going down even to this day
@MunchyInTechnicolor
3 жыл бұрын
@@roonkolos No, people were afraid of sharks before the movie was made and the book was written. However, Western views on sharks was radically changed due to a real life incident called the 1916 Jersey Shore Shark Attacks. If you look into it, you'll find that most people at that time knew so little about sharks that they thought they were just dumb harmless fish. But after the attacks that perception did a complete 180, and that perception was fed into western culture for decades after. It also didn't help that, afterwards, reports of actual shark attacks were sensationalized in western presses.
@DirkDerick
3 жыл бұрын
I appreciate that you take the effort to put your views out despite the fact that they're probably not the most popular. Your perspective is a valuable one and even when you have strong negative opinions about something you convey your feelings in a way that doesn't attack or put down others. Thank you for that.
@TurtleChad1
3 жыл бұрын
Don't worry the majority of people who don't like her are just delusional lolicon lovers.
@mr.selyumor5402
3 жыл бұрын
@@TurtleChad1 And you're the guy whose spent like 20 hours responding to every goddamn comment on this video claiming anybody with a counter-point is either misinformed or immoral. that's a terrible attitude to have online.
@frogking307
3 жыл бұрын
I know lovecraft is like the most famous dead author was actually a racist but there’s much more to his story. Lovecraft was pretty much scared of everyone, he was paranoid, suffered a traumatic childhood, suffers from mental illness, sad love life, was poor, and died slowly from cancer. And the place in which he grew up felt like the only safe for him but as immigrants moved in he most likely felt that his save heaven was being invaded. Also overtime his views on other races changed .Sure what he writes may be way more hurtful even for his time but this was a man paranoid of everything. Also his uncle gave the cat that name.
@Mafon2
2 жыл бұрын
I doubt he could write such xenophobic books, if he wasn't xenophobic himself. It's really a great window into other man's conciousness. I, myself, like that horror of unknown and foreign he describes, it's really something on the gut level.
@minnion2871
Жыл бұрын
I also think that he was self aware enough to recognize WHY the Immigrants scared him.... After all isn't it him who said the oldest and most primal fear is fear of the unknown? Other races scared him because they as people were unknown to him. The man knew fear and paranoia, and that's what he wrote....
@lethargic1394
Жыл бұрын
There's always more to the story when racists make things that contribute to the dehumanization and abuse of people of color. Fear is a common root of racial hate, people hate things they don't understand. But be careful not to center the tragedies of a man who stood by cheering for the genocides of innocent people over the hurt and dead people his actions caused. Being hurt does not give you the right or any justification to hurt others. In fact the whole “he was probably scared that people were invading his safe space” is something I think you need to sit down and think about.
@cuddlefungus4474
3 жыл бұрын
rarely do i find a really nuanced and reasonable take on problems in anime. every time i see something gross in an anime i feel like im the only person bothered by it. your channel is a blessing xoxo
@kek-senpai243
3 жыл бұрын
Pretty sure a majority of the internet share these godawful opinions.
@TamTam-rq4nc
3 жыл бұрын
@@kek-senpai243 good
@partypants5629
3 жыл бұрын
I have no idea why everyone knows that vending machines are more deadly than sharks.
@mellamojeff458
3 жыл бұрын
this is mainly due to people getting mad at the machine and it falling ontop of the person completely smothering them of air and crushed under it while a shark attack is rare and only really attacks if there is blood present or mistook you as a seal
@picklesenate9681
3 жыл бұрын
We should start destroying all vending machines. 3.50 for a 16oz can of soda is too much!
@slevinchannel7589
3 жыл бұрын
@@milkstir6136 I wished more people would BE the opposite of Cancel-Culture. I mean: Holy Flip. I know, a bit random, but its so heavy on my mind, i just have to say it 'somewhere': I just found that theres a YT-Channel literally named 'Normalizing Nudity'! Wow! Every single Video is report-worthy! A craaazy channel, where the Gender-Ratio being off is really only one thing that tipps you off that this Channel is NOT educational, duh... ...Wow... I wished more people would report or flag channel. Going out of their way to help the plattform; know what i mean?
@shadowfire5179
3 жыл бұрын
"do not sent someone death threats" league of legend player: too late
@josephoyek6574
3 жыл бұрын
F.
@sa-le4mj
3 жыл бұрын
@@josephoyek6574 f
@tzeentchmundi44
3 жыл бұрын
F
@mr.incorporeal7642
2 жыл бұрын
Watching this in 2022, the mention of Lindsay Ellis and Natalie Wynn as good sources for more info on JK Rowling's fucked up shenanigans in a video about how indiscriminate cancel culture has become feels extremely and depressingly on the nose. I hope Lindsay Ellis has had a chance to heal some after getting away from the meat grinder she's been put through for the better half of a decade.
@TheJaguarthChannel
Жыл бұрын
What most shocked me is how tame and level-headed Rowlings statements are. If i listened only to twitter activists, I would think she is calling for exterminations. Turns out, she has the same moderate opinions that many trans people also have. But only some activists and sheep proclaim her evil, and somehow try to attribute to her statements a malice and harm that is simply not existent.
@mr.incorporeal7642
Жыл бұрын
@@TheJaguarthChannel Nah, Rowling is absolutely a nasty and hateful person. She's pretty much plummeted down the terf rabbit hole to the point where she's now buddy-buddy with awful people like Kellie-Jay Keen-Minshull and Matt Walsh.
@jmiller6066
Жыл бұрын
@@TheJaguarthChannelif you only looked at Rowling's statements several years ago devoid of any context, I could maybe see how a reasonable person would think that. But she has gotten considerably worse over the last couple years to the point you really can't claim she's a "moderate" in any sense. Please look at the context of what she's saying and the people she's defending. I don't even use Twitter for the record. It's nothing like the situation with Lindsay Ellis at all.
@TheJaguarthChannel
Жыл бұрын
@@jmiller6066 I know each thing Rowling has said in context, and i completely agree with her. I disagree with those bullies or deluded who keep trying to claim that disagreeing with them is somehow an evil or bigoted thing. That is an absurd way to try and shut down conversation. It's entitled and illiberal.
@jmiller6066
Жыл бұрын
@@TheJaguarthChannel I tried giving you the benefit of the doubt, but if you're being honest, then I'm sorry, but your view is not any more "moderate" than Rowling's.
@cyz3566
3 жыл бұрын
This channel is like a voice of reason among the anime community. I am glad Noralities exist.
@lucasyoshikawa5933
3 жыл бұрын
i wouldn't say voice of reason, we shouldnt idolize no one but ourselves, but she is doing good by raising awereness
@frannava2463
3 жыл бұрын
@@lucasyoshikawa5933 what awareness?
@Berrueco760
3 жыл бұрын
Not really.
@dhoffnun
3 жыл бұрын
@@lucasyoshikawa5933 How about "reasonable voice"? Maybe, "voice that says reasonable things". I read somewhere that the key to public speaking is knowing what your audience is thinking and saying it for them - it seems our host here has a talent for that. I wouldn't say pointing that out goes so far as to idolize.
@itsClaptrap
3 жыл бұрын
voice of hypocrisy if anything did yall forget how she was gawking over a shota in another video? or how about in this very vid she shows uncensored shota hentai? you want her to be your voice of reason? really? are you sure about that?
@cheezemonkeyeater
3 жыл бұрын
Second: Something being classified as a mental disorder does not automatically translate to "born this way." For most mental disorders, there's actually no detectable difference in the brains of someone who's diagnosed vs. someone who isn't. Sometimes it is, like in the case of schizophrenia, but that's not always, or even mostly true. Even in the case where there are physical discrepancies in the brain, the severity of the symptoms can be effected by social and environmental factors. Full disclosure, I AM a schizophrenic. However, because it was known that I had the potential to develop this disorder (inherited from my birth father), I was watched closely as a child for signs. When the signs came up, I was put through therapy to learn how to deal with it. As a result, my symptoms are fairly mild and much more easily controlled than people who didn't get the help they needed. The difference between me and that rambling homeless man the media likes to point and laugh at isn't something in my brain. It's that I had the opportunity to get help when I needed it. That other guy didn't, mostly thanks to the Reagan administration. Mental illness isn't as straightforward as actual disease. There are processes that play in the development of someone's personal psychology and because the brain is far more complicated than we can ever hope to understand, there's lots of ways it can develop that cause distress or injury to the individual. The purpose of psychology and psychiatry is not to make people "normal," it's to help them find healthy ways to cope with the stresses of their lives, and when those stresses cause serious enough issues with a person's ability to function in society, we describe those scenarios as mental illness. Now, pedophilia as a mental disorder? That's complicated, and depending on how you look at it, you could go either way with it. But whether or not something is a mental disorder is kind of irrelevant to the question. The question of legality is whether or not your actions are harming someone. Subjecting children to sexual situations they are not old enough to process or understand the consequences of is very harmful to them. Regardless of whether it's classified as mental illness or not, actually ENGAGING in pedophillic relationships, or paying for child pornography actively causes harm to those who cannot protect themselves. Whether it's a disorder or not, it's still a crime. Further demonstration: the insanity plea does not get you off the hook. For one, it's incredibly hard to prove the insanity plea, because that requires you to prove that you are actually mentally incapable of understanding your actions, and most mental disorders don't so thoroughly divorce you from reality that you don't understand what is right and wrong. For another, even if you successfully argue the insanity plea, that's consequences are usually worse, because then you're sent to an institution where they hold you for an indefinite amount of time - until a board of professional psychologists deem you able to safely integrate into society again, and something like 90% of the time, that NEVER happens. The insanity plea doesn't get you off the hook, it almost always gets you a life sentence. I worry more about the fuss of what we label a mental disorder spilling out into the political world because it’s pushing forward a fundamentally untrue thing: that mental illness is something bad or aberrant and that must be cured. You cannot “cure” mental illness. It’s not something that ever just goes away, you will deal with it in some capacity for all of your life. The aim of psychology is to help you learn to cope with it so you can have a functional life that isn’t bogged down by constant anxiety. I have one more comment written down about that I'm debating whether I should post. It's mostly about Lovecraft and my own history with his work, which is kind of only tangentially relevant. Being a rambler, the comment's relevance is also rather dubious, so I'm debating whether I should post it, or maybe just try to make a video of my own. Because I do think I said something worth saying, I'm just not sure if here is the most appropriate place for it.
@yoongleballz1065
3 жыл бұрын
THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR SAYING THIS!! Even if pedophelia is a mental illness, that doesn't mean it's right, at the end of the day it's still illegal and overall morally wrong. For example, murderers/serial killers, they are a lot of the time not mentally ok but at the end of the day, they're murderers/serial killers. Their actions are still horrible and deserve just consequences. Also, you are very well spoken so if you were to make a video of your own about Lovecraft, I would be willing to watch it.
@cheezemonkeyeater
3 жыл бұрын
@@yoongleballz1065 Thanks. I'll keep your approval in mind. I'd need to get video editing software first, though and I am really slow to commit to spending money. :|
@asiamatron
3 жыл бұрын
I got the impression that people are merely trying to figure out what pedophilia actually is ( is it a mental health issue etc). I've never seen anyone try to use the mental illness argument to try to justify child abuse and say that it's ok. As for murderers well sure if they are not in their right mind when committing a murder then the courts take that into account. Obviously their crimes are still horrible regardless. Interesting reading though. Thanks guys.
@Princeomishore
3 жыл бұрын
Hey, i know that you're getting a lot of criticism right now and a lot of hate. and while i do agree with some of the criticism i want you to know that i still think this was a great video! just ignore the genuinely hateful comments and take into consideration the genuine comments that are genuine criticism! I know that this video genuinely came from a good and insightful place! I hope you are doing okay through all of this!
@gift23nana20
3 жыл бұрын
I wish my abuser went after fictional characters instead of me.
@four-en-tee
3 жыл бұрын
I wish we could skip the middle man and just take the abuser out of the equation
@SillyConure
3 жыл бұрын
@Galaxy Milkduds I mean technically speaking they wouldn't be abusers if they didn't abuse people but I absolutely agree!
@MrConredsX
3 жыл бұрын
Your dad was not an abuser just because he told you to get a job.
@ame-chan579
3 жыл бұрын
@@MrConredsX a snarky reply will not make your parents love you.
@enlistedquay3563
3 жыл бұрын
@@ame-chan579 a reply to his reply wont make your parents love you
@luanita307
3 жыл бұрын
About the beginning, the "it's culture difference" argument is so damn flat. Just because it's acceptable/normalized in a culture, doesn't mean it's not morally wrong. In India, children get married to full grown adults, in Brazil teenage pregnancy it's extremely common, in Japan the sexualization of children it's almost everywhere. AND NONE OF THOSE ARE OKAY!
@cheep5645
3 жыл бұрын
Yeah this! I feel like people have to be intentionally misusing this- like there’s so obv a difference between ‘they use honorifics’ and ‘trend of “funny” sexual harassment of women in anime’.
@Johnson-br2lw
3 жыл бұрын
@Shin Shaman make fun of people for liking anime while having a anime pfp - peak iq
@nevoswivo6791
3 жыл бұрын
The Voltron fandom truly was the messiest fandom experience. I feel so embarrassed every time someone uses it as an example of poor fandom behaviour despite that all I did was like fan art and theories on Tumblr. I felt like I was to blame much like how you said you blamed yourself for enjoying Rurouni Kenshin. Love your videos, keep talking about these necessary topics! (Love your taste too, princess tutu and utena are faves of mine!)
@murderman8578
3 жыл бұрын
Doesn't change that Kenshin Goated
@TurtleChad1
3 жыл бұрын
A Turtle doesn't approve of lolicon 🤮🤮🤮👎
@darkman452
3 жыл бұрын
Ruroni Kenshin is a good story to read but I condemn the author 100%
@darkman452
3 жыл бұрын
Oh boy the 2018 she takes fans are worse they have the most toxic fandom I’ve heard
@otterbeans
3 жыл бұрын
I don't think there really is such a thing as ethical consumption. Everything is problematic on some level. There's always going to be something somewhere on down the pipeline, whether it be an offensive idea or an offensive person involved with the work, that you're going to end up supporting with your money no matter what you do. While I agree that criminals and pedophiles should not be supported, creating such all-encompassing anxiety in people for possibly supporting or enjoying something problematic isn't really the way to go either. I'm saying this as an OCD person that struggles constantly with "pure" and "impure" thoughts and agonizes over stuff like this until it sucks the joy out of everything. I feel often feel like I'm expected to be perfect as a consumer, or else I'm going to be hated, or my friends are going to leave me, etc. It's a horribly shitty place to be.
@dagnytheartist
2 жыл бұрын
Have you seen the show "The Good Place"? It's a long series, but it has great themes about what it means to be a good person. One episode in particular is about how there's unintended consequences of a lot of our actions, to the point where buying a tomato or ordering your mom flowers can result in supporting sweatshops and sexist CEOs. I really recommend that show, it's so good. Anyway, the point is that you can't avoid everything problematic, but being a better person isn't about being perfect. It's about being a little better than you were yesterday. Working to self improvement. If you already do that, you are a good person.
@flameheadshero
3 жыл бұрын
I’m pleasantly surprised you acknowledged cancel culture. It feels like very recently the popular thing to say is that cancel culture doesn’t exist and if you critique it, you probably did something bad or want to do bad things without consequence. But I think that really allows people to bully people online without a second thought to what they’re doing. I like that you made a far more level take on the whole thing where context matters.
@yellowtheyellow
3 жыл бұрын
yeah, it's probably more correct to say that cancel culture is real but absolutely isn't what some people claim that it is (censorship and/or revenge-fueled career destruction.)
@tigerfestivals5137
3 жыл бұрын
@@yellowtheyellow except it usually is censorship or revenge fuelled career destruction
@bromo8874
3 жыл бұрын
@@tigerfestivals5137 I don't really understand how criticizing people online "censors" them. They can still post about or discuss anything they want. There might just be some backlash. Doesn't stop anybody from expressing their opinion.
@yellowtheyellow
3 жыл бұрын
@@tigerfestivals5137 and here we have an example of why people started saying “cancel culture doesn’t exist”
@tigerfestivals5137
3 жыл бұрын
@@bromo8874 dude just look at whar happened to handsomehugs on Twitter. Had their whole career and life destroyed over drawings. People who perpetuate cancel culture are the ones who cause real harm, not cartoons
@carrioncosplay
3 жыл бұрын
I actually was talking to my Grandma about the Art Affects Reality argument today. She's HoH (Hard of Hearing) and has a cochlear implant, something the recent film Sound of Metal highlights in its dramatization of a drummer losing his hearing. The film was very negative towards the implants and the attempt to get help as a HoH person and we both agreed that a lot of people might see this and not think critically about the fact that the film /is/ a dramatization and may not seek the help they want because a Hollywood film told them they were just going to find frustration and sorrow if they do. Also, thank you for making both of these videos. Not only are they enjoyable to watch and think about, they remind me to keep thinking critically about the media I'm engaging with (which I always love to do)!
@rinsenpai5348
3 жыл бұрын
She said FICTION affects reality not ART.
@thenotsoamazinggracetnsag3463
3 жыл бұрын
@@rinsenpai5348 Art and fiction can be the same thing dude..
@rinsenpai5348
3 жыл бұрын
@@thenotsoamazinggracetnsag3463 ik but she used a fucking nazi symbol as an example of how FICTION can affect reality. The nazi symbol Is something that represents a real life group, not a fiction
@carrioncosplay
3 жыл бұрын
@@rinsenpai5348 I don’t disagree! I meant it more as a similar saying that people in the social studies of the arts use very frequently that can still be used in this case as I believe writing is still an art form.
@sentientblender
3 жыл бұрын
Thank you. Fucking, thank you. It’s scary how few and far between reasonably nuanced takes on cancel culture in fandom are. Hearing this from someone else is a massive relief.
@skyxclouds3765
3 жыл бұрын
I'm happy that this video is a true criticism of cancell culture instead of just saying "CaNcElL cUlTuRe BaD!!!🤮🤮🤮 " like all the other people who talk about this
@flameheadshero
3 жыл бұрын
@@skyxclouds3765 It’s always either “cancel culture is bad” or “there’s no such thing as cancel culture.” I like that this is more that cancel culture is called for in certain contexts and not in others and either way, it’s not an excuse to harass people.
@skyxclouds3765
3 жыл бұрын
@@flameheadshero And don't forget those who think that any minimal criticism is "trying to cancel something", for example, a person on twitter may complain about how a specific anime has very annoying characters and some lonely anime youtuber is going to dedicate a complete video saying " So it looks like this Twitter SJW is trying to cancel this anime. "
@bubbachildsupport4535
3 жыл бұрын
@@skyxclouds3765 fax bro, you tubers really to milk and made videos out of a angry Twitter user with like 2 likes
@izy6088
3 жыл бұрын
This strikes me to my core because it's just. So refreshing to not feel like I'm crazy. To so fully relate to your experience helps me not feel alone or wrong for having an off feeling about certain media my friends love.
@galenpanna827
3 жыл бұрын
i feel the same way!
@chich-ai
3 жыл бұрын
@@keithadarkwa3772 huh
@keithadarkwa3772
3 жыл бұрын
@@chich-ai oh damn. I didn't even know how that was written. Let me delete that. Your reply brought that to my attention thanks!
@Deka_cards
3 жыл бұрын
Is it just me or is her voice super calming
@judgmentalanimal
3 жыл бұрын
Yes.
@dhoffnun
3 жыл бұрын
Definitely not just you.
@jacobcordova3825
3 жыл бұрын
No she sounds condescending
@madelinebitts2766
3 жыл бұрын
@@jacobcordova3825 You only think that because you don't like what she has to say and you're getting overly defensive about it
@thenotsoamazinggracetnsag3463
3 жыл бұрын
@@jacobcordova3825 she sounds like your kind older cousin explaining why something is wrong. In a good way.
@wierdbee6159
3 жыл бұрын
i used to think that "loli" meant just kids doing cute things in anime, but i realized that people used it to describe kids in a erotic way, since then i stop using that word, there were times that i watched an anime and feel kinda uncomfortable about the way they portrayed the kids, but i tried to ignore it (it didn't work it was still weird), also there was "lolicon" characters which i always find disgusting because it literally just mean they like underage characters and they just say it proudly , and they are just treated as a joke
@saraolt
3 жыл бұрын
Yeah I feel that, when I was younger I only knew about gothic loli, and I just thought it meant the big poofy dresses. Then I learned that loli fashion =/= loli anime, and that loli anime meant it when they took their name from Lolita the book. It uh. It was a trip.
@typeouetco1626
3 жыл бұрын
@@saraolt in case you didnt get the notification for the comment above
@ayl9261
3 жыл бұрын
yeh, at first I just knew the term lolita, referring to the cute doll like fashion, and then you start not being able to research this word and oh, so it has a bad meaning too
@typeouetco1626
3 жыл бұрын
Wait my comment disappeared? Anyway I'm gonna say it again Lolita complex>origin, liking kids, bad for a person, great for story telling Goth loli>style Loli>anime/manga character that looks like a kid and might be one. Not bad per se Lolicon>someone attracted to lolis. Like lolita complex, it's bad as a person but can be a good tool for story telling. Fate kaleid does it wrong, maid dragon doesnt.
@murderman8578
3 жыл бұрын
Hell yeah Loud and proud
@radiationshepherd
3 жыл бұрын
Even with the argument "it's just fiction/a drawing", it's super weird and insidious that sexualization of children in anime is so main stream.
@lindaunderling4637
3 жыл бұрын
Its also funny how that mainstreamity is constant yet the majority of said community aren't predetors.
@kek-senpai243
3 жыл бұрын
Lolicon manga has been around for years.
@zekiz774
3 жыл бұрын
The thing is: You can be attracted to drawn children, but not real ones. It's not like only pedophiles are watching it. Anime most of the time is totally over the top. It's completely different and it should be clear that it's not like this in real life. Of cause people who are attracted to real children are also gonna watch it, but that doesn't mean that everyone that likes drawn characters is attracted to real ones. Edit: That the numbers of sexual assault are rising could also have other reasons. Like the rising numbers of lonely people or the declining birth rate.
@IcidLink
3 жыл бұрын
@@zekiz774 yeah that’s true what you said. I think the growing number of Rapes in the West is because the Crime Rate Grows in general we also have more Homocides and other delicts I think the reason for that is that we have a society with not much of Valures left and People are less and less willing to accept any Rules or Laws. There is in General a big Hate /antipathy against authorities. People want the Ultimate Freedom at all cost others are not important People are so full of themselves nowadays. It’s really Funny Japan is one of the most secure Countries in the World their Crime Rates are lower than in the West. I think it’s because their society is different than ours. Our Society is all about self-actualization and Extrem individuality (it’s funny everyone wants to be individual but end up consuming and wearing the same things) meanwhile in Japan it’s more about being Part of the Society and the well being of the Society an the People in it (Harmony of the Society) and I really like this.
@zekiz774
3 жыл бұрын
@@IcidLink She said that the rape rate is growing because of Loli hentai. I think that's not true, because there are so many other factors too. Yes media is affecting reality but saying that the rape rate is rising because there is rape hentai ist like saying that shooters cause school shootings. The society is just completely different and she knows that. She even said it in the video. But then she said that Loli anime ist the cause of rape
@animekittykitty
3 жыл бұрын
I'm sorry you were harassed on your Dragon Maid video. I think you're a delightful little butter bean and I watched the entirety of your content over the course of a weekend. (I am a part of the "Oops, dragon lolis was my first video" squad, but I LOVED seeing someone else love Princess Tutu as much as I did.) I'm looking forward to your next video! Be safe and stay serene.
@lucasyoshikawa5933
3 жыл бұрын
the problem is not the content but the system, she says people dont see a problem because it has been normalized in their lives.. but trying to punch a brick wall hoping to break it without the tolls is exactly what she experienced, you cannot tell the things are wrong, you have to show they are.
@xxmagentaxcamelliaxx
3 жыл бұрын
@@lucasyoshikawa5933 Bruh you are replying to fifty eleven comments. Give it up.
@nadiarey4196
Жыл бұрын
Honestly, how can people get mad at you? You have such a pleasant calm, reasonable manner of explaning your points. They'd literally have to not listen to a word you say to get upset at you for perfectly sensible arguments.
@Mecks089
Жыл бұрын
She was proven to be a shotacon, therefore she's a hypocrite.
people get mad at her because 1) she's an damn hypocrite who literally made ships of bakugou and deku from my hero academia 2) her sources are fucking dogshit, literally go to google academics and search on the subject of fictional taboo porn and you'll see how full of shit she is, fiction has never, will never and should never be the thing responsible of someone's vile crimes, trying to shift the blame onto fiction is extremely idiotic and just throws the problem under the rug 3) she said that the creator of miss kobayashi's dragon maid made CP, which is an load of bullshit on so many levels, first, CP is defined by actual children being sexually exploited and a anime character is not a fucking child by definition, and on top of that, both characters on those mangas are a college student and a college drop out, and not to mention if she actually believed it was CP, do you actually think she would've been sharing the image here even if it was censored? if she actually believed on the nonsense she was spewing she would've been in jail by now because she would be distributing CP
@hope7317
3 жыл бұрын
it’s so cathartic almost to hear you so adamantly express these views that are so hard to find people talking openly about. thank you so much for making content like this!
@skyxclouds3765
3 жыл бұрын
@@murderman8578 yes, you stop being so butthurt
@kek-senpai243
3 жыл бұрын
Hard? It's extremely easy to find Redditors that have these type of godawful opinions.
@ellabarncastle4210
3 жыл бұрын
@@kek-senpai243 I have to ask how you could possibly view these opinions as "godawful" after watching this video. Imo it takes a special kind of ignorant stubbornness to have walked away with absolutely nothing after this vid(which leads me to believe that you are 1, young or 2, completely opposed to self-reflection and/or empathy). And yes, it's hard to find these kinds of opinions on anitube.
@kek-senpai243
3 жыл бұрын
@@ellabarncastle4210 the video is bad.
@skyxclouds3765
3 жыл бұрын
@@kek-senpai243 damn, you are really butthurt, arent you?
@zeedon
Жыл бұрын
The Lovecraft example attacked me personally 😂 I got into his stories in middle school, and have grown aggressively progressive since then. He was bad, even for the time. But his stories may have even “befitted” from his ignorance, in places. As crazy as that statement sounds. Needless to say, I’ve been forced to confront the death of the artist problem personally. I think the best we can do is make sure our consumption (to the best of our knowledge) doesn’t feed into harm to marginalized groups. That’s why I will read Lovecraft, But I won’t purchase Hogwarts Legacy. I don’t want to be a part of active harm. Being an ally should be uncomfortable, if it clashes with your own preferences.
@FMAxEdwin
3 жыл бұрын
I think that media and fiction can affect reality but it doesnt always and its really important to also remember that how big the platform is and how much of a reach it has. I'm in a fandom for a novel geared towards adults, but has more recently had a G-rated adaption leading to a lot of younger fans joining in the fandom. The original story deals with a lot of dark themes: r@pe/n0ncon, *ncest, murder, classism. And because of this a lot of fanworks such as fanart and fanfic will explore these topics including fanworks that explore taboo kinks. The fans that create and consume these fanworks agree that these topics are not okay irl and keep that in mind when engaging with these taboo's in the creative space, everyone will usually tag and use trigger warnings properly. However, with the upsurge of younger fans a lot of this nuance is lost and they think that just because someone is writing about a taboo topic (in a way that doesn't necessarily condone or approve) that the creator approves of it in real life. And unfortunately this has led to some pretty severe harassment as well as racist microagressions. So while I do think that a big name creator can affect public opinion especially in media that is geared toward a younger audience, a more niche piece of media that is geared towards adults is far less likely to have the same affect especially when the majority consensus in said fandom, is that this is purely fiction.
@danceydoll5
3 жыл бұрын
This^^^^
@__-fm5cz
3 жыл бұрын
I understand what your point is but this is not the point. The point is how sexualizing children or women without consent is played lightly in anime/manga and more often than not played as a joke in media targeted towards teens.
@김민석-r9r5u
3 жыл бұрын
@@__-fm5cz Yes, but the vast majority of the essay was spent on discussing the "fiction affects reality" argument, which makes OP's comment relevant. It shows that such statement is, perhaps, situational at best.
@__-fm5cz
3 жыл бұрын
@@김민석-r9r5u I can guarantee you that 90% of people in fandoms say "IT'S JUUUUUST FIIIIICTIOOOOON" to excuse whatever atrocity they support (children being sexualized, toxic relationships being put under a good light, etc). I think it's very mature of these people described by OP to realise that fiction is not just fiction and that's it, that it's more complex, and that they completely 100% extrange it from reality and don't let that media affect it (the same cannot be said about perverts, p*dophiles, and even impressionable young people who read garbage like After which glorifies abuse and may fall into the same abuse they read of in such a celebratory way, etc). Besides, the one described by OP is not a huge fandom (and it's not even big from what I've got, if we exclude the children trying to chime in) and the content they consume, and especially how they treat that content, is completely niche and in no way mainstream. It's good that few people like them understood the point (though even then you have to tread lightly, you can't always consciously choose what media affects you and what doesn't) but many, many, maaaaany others didn't and don't so this video is important, even if I may not agree with all it says (the concept of death of the author is pivotal and inestimable)
@mrbanks456
3 жыл бұрын
@@__-fm5cz You're right, it is complex. But then you go off and say that anyone who enjoys degenerate stuff is a bad person wholesale.
@name-dm2iz
3 жыл бұрын
"I like this thing when it's a boy but when it's a girl it's terrible"
@Kevin-dk4go
3 жыл бұрын
It might just be projection on her. She has yaoi of MHA characters(15-16) on her Tumblr.
@gift23nana20
3 жыл бұрын
Just like in real life, the double standards.
@seanhoward6529
3 жыл бұрын
Can't wait for the Sailor Moon video, the english opening theme song has been carved into the grooves of my brain
@gayrozayppeli8431
3 жыл бұрын
It's such an iconic as fuck opening. And I think they kept it for like 3 or 4 seasons which is like Kind of amazing by itself
@nightmarelyoko
3 жыл бұрын
Can't wait for her video on why sailor moon is bad ir coded
@saniharuo
3 жыл бұрын
Sister Krones depiction isn't racist. I'm sick of non black people trying to speak for us. She isn't overly dark, her hair and face shapes are relatively realistically proportioned within the shows style, and she has creepy dace moments like literally every other bad human in the story I don't fucking get it.
@Princeomishore
3 жыл бұрын
this happens a lot. remember the mario sombrero thing? a bunch of white people on twitter got made saying that its offensive when actual mexicans said that they liked the representation. for some reason white twitters users try to speak for black people and other races and act like the arbiters of whats right and wrong. i do think it either comes from a good place or clout chasing for twitter points. in noralities case i think it comes from a good place.
@saniharuo
3 жыл бұрын
@@Princeomishore Right? A lot of people try to say that her design is racist, which I don't agree with. But I do think her design and her role in the story together is racist. Now let me explain, Krone's design is similar to an actual black person, and I've seen many of us that look like her. However, the fact that Jemima who is black, and Don who seems at least mixed or latino are not drawn with the large lips and nose of her is racist. They are all similar colors, Don a little lighter, but Jemima is the closest, but Jemima and Don are good, and Krone is bad which means they could be using the big lips and eyes as "disturbing features" to illustrate how "scary" she is. I also don't think it's accidental because of how the good guys are not strongly featured but the Krone is rather than making them all show similar features or slightly different ones within the same plain, but it also isn't her design that makes her racist. Its the choice to emphasize those with the thought of "Scary" and even then, Isabella gets her fucking twisted expressions so what can you really say if the artist doesn't speak on it? Nothing.
@Princeomishore
3 жыл бұрын
@@saniharuo okay. So basically what your saying is that her design isn't racist it's how they use her? Hmmmm Idk maaaybe?
@saniharuo
3 жыл бұрын
@@Princeomishore Yeah but only it could be viewed as racist, not that it innately is because they do the same thing with Isabella like I said.
@Hyperversum3
3 жыл бұрын
@@saniharuo Which makes the entire topic ridicolous then. Things can be twisted in an infinite number of ways to prove any point, and it's clear that no other "dark-skinned character" gets the same treatment, so why should it be racist? She is just a big and "evil" character compared to the main cast, which also has dark-skinned kids in it, her skin colour has literally 0 relevance on her presentation AND plot role. If one really wants to go dig a hole in TPN setting is how dark-skinned humans are a minority of the kids raised in the Farms since they were offerings from the humans of the "Real World" back at the end of the "war", and since most of the population world-wide is definitely in a different skin-colour than white it would make sense to be a majority. But who the fuck cares about this? Nobody, it's a manga, and the author portrays characters how they want, they don't have to respect details for the real world. TLDR: it's stupid to speak of "potential racist analysis" since anything involving PoC can theoretically be twisted someone to fit a "it's racist" narrative, including media by PoC author themselves as people can dig around and speak of "internalized racism". Let's keep discouse about what's real, nto what exists in theory.
@liueyen3351
3 жыл бұрын
I’m so scarred by twitter that it’s very comforting to hear from someone else how wrong it is to draw CP ⛷⛷
@lindaunderling4637
3 жыл бұрын
Its not cp thats misinformation that hurts people
@liueyen3351
3 жыл бұрын
@@lindaunderling4637 and I am not comfortable with how people like to depict children in sexual situations. Let’s not turn this into an argument because to be frank I doubt either of us will be changing each others opinions. alright? alright.
@lindaunderling4637
3 жыл бұрын
Tldr. If you call us pedos people will think its ok to treat us that way. And we live in a world where people cheer when pedos die.
@liueyen3351
3 жыл бұрын
@@lindaunderling4637 ah you’re someone who consumes that kind of media, in that case like I said earlier let’s stop talking to each other then 👍👍👍
@lindaunderling4637
3 жыл бұрын
@@liueyen3351 people were swatted and you care more about your feelings
@brodietaylor8506
3 жыл бұрын
Gotta say, haven't watched yet but I'm glad you're talking about this type of thing. I got into anime when I was younger and it definitely normalised things that as I got older I was very disgusted by. Glad to see people having large discussions about this
@verybarebones
3 жыл бұрын
I had a similar experience except I always felt uncomfortable, but I just couldn't pinpoint why when I was like, 8. So the horror just intensified gradually.
@dhoffnun
3 жыл бұрын
Right? I thought "thank you for doing this" within the first few seconds - exact same thought at the end. I see a few salty bois here and there in the comments which is inevitable, but I'm honestly impressed not just at how well Nora has articulated on this subject, but at the ratio of wholesomeness in the comments section - which is usually the basin in which the silt of human consciousness collects. It's pretty alright up in here, though.
@davismatthews3748
3 жыл бұрын
This is SUPER refeeshing, taking an analytical look at cancel culture, why it came be, why it became so popular, and how it can be reformed and used to promote good and healthy cultural norms while condemning (but not harassing) those who willingly promote harmful cultural norms is definitely something thats worth talking about and I am sharing this with everyone i can. Thank you for taking the risk to put yourself out there, and help people outside the mahority realize they aren't alone and they CAN affect their world in a positive way.
@TurtleChad1
3 жыл бұрын
A Turtle doesn't approve of lolicon 🤮🤮🤮👎
@skyxclouds3765
3 жыл бұрын
I'm happy that this video is a true criticism of cancell culture instead of just saying "CaNcElL cUlTuRe BaD!!!🤮🤮🤮 " like all the other people who talk about this
@azamonra
3 жыл бұрын
I agree with the sentiment but I always ask, "who decides what is right?" in such situations.
@banzaikampfmaschine_der_echte
3 жыл бұрын
@@TurtleChad1 but you aprove Lolicon enjoyers? Like Hololive?
@davismatthews3748
3 жыл бұрын
#azamonra that is always a good question to ask, the axis of what is right and what is wrong spins wildly and is often difficult to pin down in a specific situation. Context is ALWAYS incredibly imprtant and the more you know about a situation, and the parties involved in said situation the better you will be able to judge right from wrong, keeping in mind that all people have differing beliefs leading to different conclusions about right and wrong in a given situation.
@gamercatishere4759
3 жыл бұрын
I like how she mentioned H.P love crafts cat.
@TheHelpful2
3 жыл бұрын
There is a difference between Cancelling someone and holding them Accountable and deciding when to do what is difficult. You have to ask yourself things such as the duration and form of said consequence (I feel... uncertain about using the word "punishment" here against those who want to repent), and then think of providing a path to bettering said people. I agree with what you said that simply condemning someone without offering chances of growth is pretty bad, and this will be a case by case thing. Some people will do their best to change for the better, others won't. Hopefully, there will be more of the former than the latter when these things happen. Also, I'm of the belief that you can enjoy an artist's work without liking the artist as a person and you shouldn't feel too guilty about it, though there's nothing wrong with criticizing the authors / artists' personalities if they are bad people. Perhaps it would be nice to talk about the art movement of Futurism and their Manifesto. The artists of the movement created cool artwork, but their beliefs are a bit... yikes, to put it lightly. Separation of Artist and Artwork would be an interesting deeper dive video and it doesn't have to just be anime / manga related.
@flames45
3 жыл бұрын
Yeah she likes shota. She doesn’t like this sentiment of accountability for herself but she loves to make others be publicly accountable for the stuff she’s saying because she ended up “deleting” proof of her being a shotacon but you know the internet, it’s on there forever and it’s available on Twitter.
@beckyrudd7488
3 жыл бұрын
I really am thankful that someone is talking about stuff like this.
@murderman8578
3 жыл бұрын
From a Shotacon
@lucasyoshikawa5933
3 жыл бұрын
@@murderman8578 wdm ?
@murderman8578
3 жыл бұрын
@@lucasyoshikawa5933 She made a Video simping for shotobait Character
@lucasyoshikawa5933
3 жыл бұрын
@@murderman8578 ahh yeah, hanako... i liked the video, the only Major issue was with Re:zero and anime being unfair to Women.. but the Ecchi and Dragon maid Sex appeal i do see her view
@wellobush9022
3 жыл бұрын
@a HERO that doesn’t know what protect means she right you cant emit that she right cause then you have to reflect on your like god the whole SJW thing should have died in 2016. now it just became a buzzword for people to brush of basic common sense
@Gaoshiki
3 жыл бұрын
My voice is a pointless expression in an endless din, but I would point out that Death of The Author is an *analytical* technique, one aimed at removing the lived experience and context of the writer from the analysis of a piece of work. People can't and shouldn't just cite it so they don't have to feel bad for buying stuff from an asshole, it requires critical analysis and consideration.
@bozak5130
3 жыл бұрын
I hate how saying “Hey, CP is bad” can be controversial with any group of people.
@lucasyoshikawa5933
3 жыл бұрын
CP is aways bad, no matter the media. the discussion is "is Fictional CP and Sexualization a real Issue? ", on Noralities, it is a serious problem, for the normal weebs, doesn't matter, for me is kind of both, i dont care but i also would not miss it.
@murderman8578
3 жыл бұрын
Manga isn't CP
@natalyrausch
3 жыл бұрын
@@murderman8578 it normalizes children in sexual situations.
@nakedstatue8517
3 жыл бұрын
@@natalyrausch normalize, fetishize, romantisize, shutupsize, etc.
@metalphoenix4244
3 жыл бұрын
@@natalyrausch Murder is bad we must ban GTA because it normalises murder! See how your argument can be easily applied to something else
@ris8065
3 жыл бұрын
I *love* how you used A Silent Voice as an example here. You didn’t even explain it, you just let us pick up on it, and it was beautiful.
@elara6370
3 жыл бұрын
Can you elaborate on this please because I've always viewed it as shining light on problematic behaviors
@ris8065
3 жыл бұрын
@@elara6370 she was talking about how one mistake doesn’t define a person forever, and showed clips of the main character of a silent voice attempting to make amends for his mistakes.
@elara6370
3 жыл бұрын
@@ris8065 ah thanks that makes more sense!
@slevinchannel7589
3 жыл бұрын
@@elara6370 I wished more people would BE the 180 degree opposite of Cancel-Cultrue! I even know how. I know, a bit random, but its so heavy on my mind, i just have to say it 'somewhere': I just found that there is a YT-Channel literally named 'Normalizing Nudity'! Wow! Every single Video is report-worthy! A yt-channel, where the Gender-Ratio being off is really only one thing that tipps you off that this Channel is NOT educational, duh... ...Wow... I wished more people would report or flag channel. Going out of their way to help the plattform; know what i mean?
@milesgwatidzo4143
3 жыл бұрын
@@ris8065 so why does she hate Subaru then
@undeade.t7044
3 жыл бұрын
You can either stop sexualizing mha male characters and be consistent with your beliefs or accept that sexualizating fictional characters is not really that big of an issue and continue draw your mha fan fiction
@TurtleChad1
3 жыл бұрын
Just leave her alone bro it's not like anything that she did was bad 🙄
@undeade.t7044
3 жыл бұрын
@@TurtleChad1 I know she didn't I just want her to be more consistent with her stance and actions
@sono_chi_no_sodium_chlorid7635
3 жыл бұрын
@@TurtleChad1 Well, she is a bit of a hypocrite when it comes to sexualizing characters
@frannava2463
3 жыл бұрын
@@TurtleChad1 now you are defending a Shotokan? I thought you said you don't like lolicons? I see you being a hypocrite just like her gullible fans LOL
@frannava2463
3 жыл бұрын
@@undeade.t7044 but her own Merit she did. She did draw sexualize my hero Academia characters. Don't tell me she gets a pass because she's a female.
@yasssqueen2064
3 жыл бұрын
I'm so happy to see a female anime youtuber that doesn't ignore the bs that happens in the anime community, as a woman myself I find it hard to relate to the male experience of anime that so many big ani-tubers will display, so your channel is like a breath of fresh air (not to be dramatic or anything) I foresee great things in your future and I wish you the best, one day you're gonna be big, I just know it
@murderman8578
3 жыл бұрын
There are plenty of female Anitubers
@WhatIsMyPorpoise
3 жыл бұрын
@@murderman8578 yes, and you completely missed the point she was saying.
@murderman8578
3 жыл бұрын
@@WhatIsMyPorpoise I Understood but she still Wrong
@yasssqueen2064
3 жыл бұрын
@@murderman8578 "'I'm so happy to see a female anime youtuber that doesn't ignore the bs that happens in the anime community"
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