John, it takes a big man to say it how it is. And it takes an even bigger man to admit mistakes and correct them publicly, for everyone’s benefits and enlightenment. We salute you for being both of those people.
@AutoExpertJC
Жыл бұрын
Gotta respect the facts, dude - but thanks for the message. Appreciated.
@gbsailing9436
Жыл бұрын
Clearly he is conjoined at the hip...
@benmmm7359
Жыл бұрын
@@gbsailing9436 who is?
@Liqtor
Жыл бұрын
@@benmmm7359 The one who says things as they are, and the one who admits his mistakes.
@gbsailing9436
Жыл бұрын
@@benmmm7359 Who is what? Use full complete sentences....
@mahcooharper9577
Жыл бұрын
This is why people trust you John, if you make a mistake you don't obfuscate, blame or build straw men. You owned it, and we need more of that in the world.
@AutoExpertJC
Жыл бұрын
Politicians, listen up...
@dbmn7571
Жыл бұрын
@@AutoExpertJC The politician says "What?" when you tell them to listen up.🤣🤣
@beauzo9965
Жыл бұрын
But how do they make solar panels and batteries
@eliseviv
Жыл бұрын
Good job mate, love the STEM promotion. I have had the benefit of viewing the error episode first, so i have a chance to spot the error in hindsight!
@JonathanMcDonald
Жыл бұрын
@@AutoExpertJC The Hon John Cadogan as next Prime Minister of Australia. MAGA hats to come soon?
@TomJones-be5ny
Жыл бұрын
John the fact that you made this video is why I take you at your word. I wish more people had this old school honour of being a man of your word.
@AutoExpertJC
Жыл бұрын
It's just having respect for the facts. If you get the facts wrong, gotta 'fess up.
@hooligan69ful
Жыл бұрын
@@AutoExpertJC Own it , Learn from it , Grow from it. Good Job dude Love your work :)
@Humongous_Pig_Benis
Жыл бұрын
@@AutoExpertJC Not just respect for the facts, John, also respect for yourself. This is why I listen to you from far away Upsidedownistan Portugal. Cheers and thanks for leading by example.
@rogerk.8600
Жыл бұрын
BRILLIANT & HONEST FINAL 15 MINUTES!! EVERYONE NEEDS TO SEE THIS!
@davidmaskew
Жыл бұрын
Hello, I know this is an older video but I am a new watcher of you channel from the UK. Just wanted to say good on you for correcting the record in this way as many wouldn't. It's proves you are someone who can be trusted when it comes to facts and discussion on topics like this. I have had the discussions about EVs and what you say about a small 1 litre 3 cylinder car being about as good when it comes to CO² emissions. The discussion then always turns to but it's about removing the harmful fumes from City centres. I very rarely drive into the City anyway as there is a park and ride tram station 3 miles from my house where I can leave my car free of charge to get a tram for around half the price of what parking the car in the city centre would cost. It's not always the most convenient way to do things but it means there's less hassle trying to find a parking space in the city. It makes me wonder sometimes how much power the tram uses and if that really saves emissions in the bigger picture but the tram is going to run anyway so at least I'm taking my car out of the equation for that part of the journey. At the moment I see EVs in their current form a bit like when countries ship their waste to other countries to appear greener than the countries who end up dealing with the waste. I'm not against EVs as such I just think they cost far too much environmentally and financially for very little gains in the current form. Unless the power going into them is zero emissions they never really can be.
@warbird747
Жыл бұрын
John, As a pilot and trainer for over 40 years I've seen plenty of mistakes made on the flightdeck, mine included. The secret is how you recover. Yours was perfect. We all cock up, just hope we catch it before is gets serious. Kudos mate.
@mawsoncasey7347
Жыл бұрын
TEMS = Threat Error Management
@stevelloyd5785
Жыл бұрын
@@mawsoncasey7347 System?
@andrewchung83
Жыл бұрын
you wouldnt want to make a fatal mistake at 10000ft with 300 passengers onboard.
@thomasa5619
Жыл бұрын
@@andrewchung83 although at 10,000’ you have at least several minutes to fix the mistake, and a copilot
@aussiecue
Жыл бұрын
I'm a building fire protection auditor. Mistakes can be serious. I make mistakes sometimes. You know, When you get home and have to fill out all the days reports and Tiffany gets, You know a little exited and she is "Down there" whilst one is tapping away on the key board. It's the rectification of said mistakes that keep customers coming back. Better to eat crow and become more experienced than be too proud and eat dirt! Much respect to you John. My analytical mind in regards to your previous information has been adjusted and updated.
@MacPoop
Жыл бұрын
I completely missed the error myself. This followup is hugely respectful to the audience, to the facts and more importantly, to the point! Huge respect JC
@AutoExpertJC
Жыл бұрын
Thank you.
@TankEnMate
Жыл бұрын
@@AutoExpertJC One thing you are missing from your analysis is that the generation will have more renewables over time. The Australian grid produced 38TWh in 2015-2016, but for 2020-2021 it produced 70TWh, up approximately 85% over 5 years (or 13% pa). And yes our electricity usage is going up slightly per year, but obviously not at a rate of anywhere near 13% per year compounded.
@nigel.w
Жыл бұрын
@@TankEnMate If the rate of EV adoption escalates exponentially as it has done and is doing around the world, electricity usage will increase at a rate that cannot be realistically supplied by current renewables technologies. And there will also be huge problems associated with so many charging at the same time overnight.
@TankEnMate
Жыл бұрын
@@nigel.w Renewables are growing exponentially as well, as are home batteries. Superchargers are already being deployed with Megapacks. These will help balance out power generation / consumption on an intra-day time period. So I suspect it then comes down to redeploying diesel from vehicles to power generation for a short while; and this will be much more efficient than diesel vehicles (50~80% CCGT vs 15~20% ICE engine). So it will be full steam ahead for both in the near future with means an overall decrease in CO2 emissions. The countries that don't take all this onboard will be the ones to suffer; higher costs, unstable grid, AND running old unsupported clunkers. My suggestion will be look at how Norway is getting on.
@MacPoop
Жыл бұрын
Why are these irrelevant comments beneath my own thread??
@ToddAMeyers
2 ай бұрын
As a nuclear engineer I love how you used the dirty word! Yes base load power and crowdsourcing renewable energy first. Then move to the marginal (for now) EV savings. I will wait for a better motive source for EVs personnally but they will have thier day in the end. I very much appreciate your intellect and sense of humor. Well done Mr. Cadogan. You are my favorite engineer to watch on KZitem!
@DexterOSullivan-yz9rq
26 күн бұрын
Well done John, we all respect a good honest soul, no harm done and you have climbed to the leaderboard in term of confidence from your viewers. Keep up the good work !!
@jameshamilton533
Жыл бұрын
It’s not the mistake that matters (we’re all human), it’s how you handle it. And you handled it in an exemplary manner.
@PowerOn-
Жыл бұрын
..and then went on to compare a 'lardy arse' Ionic 5 (which weighs about 200kg less than a Wildtrack) go figure?! Jon also forgot to mention anything about the huge CO2 emissions from the fuel discovery, extraction refining and distribution. What a clanger of a mistake!
@IvyMike.
Жыл бұрын
Wisdom comes with responsibilities John, well done for fessing up mate.
@AutoExpertJC
Жыл бұрын
It wasn't that hard - it's an integrity thing.
@IvyMike.
Жыл бұрын
@@AutoExpertJC True.
@AJC508
Жыл бұрын
I was always taught to accuse privately and apologise publicly. Glad to see it wasn’t just my parents that had a moral compass. Well done, sir.
@imagisign
Жыл бұрын
Full respect, John! Part of the process of seeking the truth through science (or as close of an approximation to the truth as humanly possible) is to acknowledge one’s missteps and gather all the learnings through that process. Love your channel! Greetings from Germany.
@fricatus
Жыл бұрын
John, if you’re factoring in the CO2 footprint of the electricity, then you should also factor in the CO2 emissions involved in the extraction, transport and refining of the diesel too. And if you’re going to factor money into your calculations, you need to take account of the price difference between diesel and electricity for the same mileage.
@rab5193
Жыл бұрын
Exactly. Also, it requires one unit of electricity just to refine one liter of gasoline. This is just to refine, think about extraction, transport and leakages of fuel. Also, in US, to get 15% ethanol to mix with gasoline, they grow 42000 sq miles of corn. How much energy, water, labor needed for that every year. It produces huge amount of waste which will eventually produce tons of methane. Just 15000 sq miles of solar will produce all the electricity needed for entire US. If you really want to understand the EV and renewable with battery storage, kindly see the Tesla master plan 3. You will learn a lot. You will not get any real information for the old used car mechanic.
@markburton8303
Жыл бұрын
@@rab5193 currently 500000 gallons of water are needed to produce 1 metric tonne of lithium. There is an environmental cost for everything we do. I once saw an article regarding the 'break even' for a CO2 vs a ICE car, and it stated it would break even at 80k miles. A little asterisk at the bottom of the article noted that it didn't include for the recycling of the battery pack. The need for green power is going to increase near exponentially to cover mining, recycling and the increasing need for power. The best thing you could do, if you work within 10/15 miles of home is to ride a bike every day - better for the environment, better for you, better for the countries health service.
@williamharley6588
Жыл бұрын
Why calculate the battery manufacturing energy, but not the energy required to get the petrol or diesel from the ground to the pump. Would make for interesting comparison.
@VCanisMajorisY
Жыл бұрын
EVs are destroying the road surfaces in my area. Goodness knows what the tyre shredding and shedding is happening. I'm an old school green and have serious concerns regarding this new utopia.
@werafonas
Жыл бұрын
@@VCanisMajorisY so EVs in your area are huge and weight 20 tons?
@essentialmix1606
Жыл бұрын
@@werafonas Maybe he lives at one of the Iron Ore mines in the Pilbara...
@mattscheele4954
Жыл бұрын
Because it’s so cheap
@ebaab9913
10 ай бұрын
@@VCanisMajorisYWe all would be very interested in you expanding on this. Why because there is something very different between EVs and the majority of ICE cars. There are new ICE cars that can approach the lack of kinetic friction that EVs have, but very few, and not under acceleration. What this means is that there is nearly zero loss of traction in an EV. There could be a clue in the weight of the vehicles, as to why there is more tyre wear.
@MentaL65535
Жыл бұрын
Hi John, when you do the calculation to compare emissions from EV vs emissions from ICE, do you only consider tailpipe emissions for the ICE car, or do you also take into account the emissions produced when extracting, transporting, refining the combustible fuel?
@brianjensen5200
Жыл бұрын
Good question. I would like the answer to that as well. I'm guessing the answer would be yes, knowing the usual depth of John's ramblings :-)
@howtomanagetech
Жыл бұрын
No one ever does. Nor the electricity required to make petrol/diesel.
@nigspeed
Жыл бұрын
Did he also include the emissions incurred in the production of the Ranger ?
@SurmaSampo
Жыл бұрын
@@nigspeed Not important when doing a differential analysis.
@robincollis6349
Жыл бұрын
@@nigspeed he did it was in the original video it's represented by weight of the vehicle and CO2/tonne of steel that's why he used the specific vehicles and before you say what about the engine what about this what about that EV's still have a form of propulsion that needs to be manufactured so vehicle mass is enough said I think
@fbvanman
Жыл бұрын
Have a great weekend John,you deserve it.Thanks for all the time you spend making us smarter and more aware. I'll always be watching and learning. Kind regards Michael Gulyas.
@lynnoettl5996
Жыл бұрын
I appreciate your work. The big question that no one can answer is what is the ideal ppm of CO2?
@Leonardo555ZZZ
6 ай бұрын
In the past , life and bio-diversity flourished when CO2 was many times higher than now....and no , the planet did not enter thermal runaway , it actually got colder.
@bryanbishop2377
11 ай бұрын
Are you including battery changes? 🤔
@rocketsensor
Жыл бұрын
John, if you do mine-to-wheel emissions for an EV you should do well-to-wheel emissions for the ICE vehicle. You might be surprised how much energy it takes to refine oil into petrol.
@greenmatt1981
Жыл бұрын
Respect to John for this video but as above it’s still not a valid comparison. The NEM carbon intensity has been progressively reducing over the past years, we can’t achieve that with fossil fuels. Still agree we should make EV’s lighter and more efficient.
@kyle.1442
Жыл бұрын
What about mine to final disposal?
@quantummotion
Жыл бұрын
Why? Compare carbon impact of car manufacture to EV car manufacture carbon impact, then do the same for the fuel vs electric generation carbon emission in situ. May work for California year round, may not work for Northern Canada most months in the year. There are no utopias, just sweet spots that depend where you are.
@franciscody9622
Жыл бұрын
Also need to factor in emissions from wheel to subsequent disposal of EV (with batteries). Do the same for ICE vehicles.
@smitlag
Жыл бұрын
The "privileged" who drive EVs don't get the luxury of seeing the moon crater in the ground created to mine the materials to make it. Not in my back yard..right? But they are ok in some third world country or China (who doesn't give a rats ass who or what they destroy in the process of providing entitled westerners their merchandise). What greater wisdom than to provide China even more economic leverage over our affairs.
@typhoon-7
Жыл бұрын
You learn more from mistakes than success. As a lifelong engineer I've learned a lot!!!
@kozmaz87
Жыл бұрын
Could have done without the 10 minutes of waffle about errors in general and the sponsor spot though... "prepare to fast-forward" "preparing to fast-forward Sir" "fast-forwarding Sir" :D
@AutoExpertJC
Жыл бұрын
Tell someone who gives a shit what you want.
@kozmaz87
Жыл бұрын
I guess it is fair to not care about what I want, why would you but based on your bashing corporate wonks bullshitting day and night, which they certainly do, one would expect you consistently to be getting to the point somewhat faster especially after announcing that the video is not clickbait. ... also... manners please.
@hubtubby
Жыл бұрын
Agreed, and considering his reply, and his torch grifting, he probably believes the sun shines out his arse. I reckon secretly refers to himself as JC.
@kielbasa737
5 ай бұрын
@@AutoExpertJCme. I love your vids John but cut the boomer ramblings and shorten your vids
@contarinifamily2183
Жыл бұрын
Good on you for having the guts to swallow your pride and correct yourself. Respect!
@888netg
Жыл бұрын
When calculating the co2 cost of fuel don't forget exploration, drilling equipment, energy used, transport of the crood oil, refining, transport of the fuel, equipment for storage, and after all that you burn it once then start again
@benpatana7664
Жыл бұрын
We all make mistakes. Respect to you John for acknowledging it and correcting.
@AutoExpertJC
Жыл бұрын
No wukkas, Ben.
@solidchabisto
Жыл бұрын
#respect
@philcurrie5768
Жыл бұрын
Hi John, just wondering if your calculations take into account the CO2 (and any other extracts) produced when refining the diesel at the refinery before it ends up in Wildtrack girl's fuel tank? Enjoy your videos. Cheers, Phil
@cohrindrake
Жыл бұрын
Yeah, I think if the calculation includes the CO2 produced to create the ‘fuel’ for the EV (electricity), I would think the same should be done for the Diesel fuel. Getting the oil out of the ground, transporting it, refining it and then transporting the final result to the petrol station all incur a CO2 cost and should be added, right?
@philcurrie5768
Жыл бұрын
@@cohrindrake I thought stopping at the refining part of the process would give an apples for apples comparison with the electricity generation. Otherwise, if you start including the actual mining/drilling for the primary resource, it would possibly be too hard to get the necessary data at a reasonable level.
@cig13
Жыл бұрын
@@philcurrie5768 But don't the EV calculations include the mining processes (including that of coal for power plants)? It seems far more apples-to-apples (to me) to compare end-to-end rather than picking an arbitrary point to start counting?
@stulop
Жыл бұрын
Thinking similar, as the Ev has the Co2 debt from the outset, Ranger girl will have the debt of the lifetime fuel supply chain from exploration to the Ranger fuel tank.
@wazzaw6286
Жыл бұрын
@@cig13 if you really want to compare apples to apples, then maybe compare a ICE car similar in size to the Ionic 5, which you can almost fit into the tray of the Ranger.
@ianritchie1666
Жыл бұрын
Did the same 2 days ago, on a simple thermal expansion calc. Humility lives on in my life too.
@levonau
Жыл бұрын
John, can I check your numbers for fuel. Are your fuel numbers calculated as 'Pump to wheels' for the Ford Ranger? You used the calcs for the EV as 'Powerstation to wheels'. So the real calculation should be 'Well to wheels' to correctly compare the two. Mining, transporting, and refining crude oil into fuels is a pretty intense process. I believe the powerstation calcs already consider this part for coal. Then with roughly 90% of the fuel used in Australia being shipped in, this adds substantial additional numbers. From numbers I have found for a country producing its own fuel it equates to about 24% additional CO2/km then add shipping the fuel to Aus.
@markdenton3681
10 ай бұрын
Shhhhhh, I just got told to try and keep up asking a shorter version of what you did. You can’t break the cardinal sin “thou shalt not question the combustion Jesus”
@swilliams937
10 ай бұрын
Keep up, you two. Turn your ears away from the EV fake gods.
@Chris-ei5fz
Жыл бұрын
John if you are going to factor in the emissions due to the manufacturing process of the ev and it’s batteries do you also factor in the same emissions due to the manufacturing of the wild track and the mining and refining of its fuel source.
@deneoloughlin4973
Жыл бұрын
Interesting workings. It's not easy to work out. Could I add that you seem to have factored in the CO2 cost of manufacturing the electricity to power the car, but not the CO2 cost of manufacturing and transporting the diesel to power the Wildtrak.
@deadslota
Жыл бұрын
it never seems to get factored into ev/ice comparisons, all the mining/refining/manufactoring of ev components are accounted for, however fuel is magically deposited into the tank without a thought for all the extraction/refining/shipping/transport/etc for the fuel. also are we also assuming the grid will not get significantly greener over the course of 10years?
@PowerOn-
Жыл бұрын
Jon is a repeat offender in this regard. I stopped whatcing his videos a year or so ago, but clearly make a mistake clicking on this one when it popped up in my feed! No that is a mistake to own up to!😁
@evsmadebetter3980
Жыл бұрын
Hi John. In your calculations you only count emission of wildtrack at tailpipe. Not wheel to well there a lot of emissions just to get the fuel to the car in the first place. Where as you calculate 7.5 tonnes for EV but zero for wildtrack .
@andrewwatson5360
Жыл бұрын
That's true but what about the emmissions/pollution etc. created for the disposal of all of the used dead batteries ? - multiple in some EVs life of vehicle.
@bigbewo
Жыл бұрын
@Andrew Watson yeah batteries can and are being recycled to refuse a high % of the materials again. Fuel can't be.
@andrewwatson5360
Жыл бұрын
@Ben Wood So where is this happening in the scale that is and will be required for the projected millions of dead batteries these battery evs will produce ?
@werafonas
Жыл бұрын
@@andrewwatson5360 it's not the right time for "huge scale". Demand simply isnt there yet. Need to wait for ateast 10ys before even taking into account used EVs batteries.
@andrewwatson5360
Жыл бұрын
@Paulius Ščerbinskas Yes but that is the whole point about EVs isn't it ? Their engineering and technology is underdone and compared to ICE motive power crude when it comes to overall efficiency and practicality. Battery powered EVs have, will and do have a place in our transportation needs but only for part of the whole as unless some "miraculous " developments occurr they will never be as versatile or as flexible in providing motive power as solid/liquid/gas energised vehicles do. And they provide a very small percentage of reduction to our CO2 and pollution creation. So rather than concentrating our efforts on one comparatively minor part that is under our nose we should be pressuring those in power for real solutions to the huge worldwide threat to complex life forms that we face. We need all need to admit to the mistakes we have made in our thinking that we can put off problems because it won't be an issue for at least ten years. Not sure we all have the strength of character that John has to admit to our misconceptions, mindsets, mistakes but we cannot afford to keep supporting B.S. because it suits us or makes us fell all warm and fuzzy. Tens of millions of dead EV batteries stockpiled awaiting a feasible technology to economically and ecologically way of recycling them is definitely not warm and fuzzy. It's a disaster being created and happening now!
@obyrnej8z
Жыл бұрын
220 g for the average car 10 km per litre not the wildtrack. Wildtrack does 7 km per litre Also should include well to tank co2 of 720 g/km taking it to 3140g per litre. So wildtrack comes in at 448g per km.
@richx9035
Жыл бұрын
Obviously really good to provide this correction. Unfortunately there may be many who watched the original video, which has misinformed them, and they may not see this correction. Also I’m surprised that John didn’t check his information more carefully given that it seemed to contradict other known information.
@alanmcrae8594
Жыл бұрын
Just found this channel. I really, really appreciate an honest man who will attempt to adhere to the facts, do the calculations, share the results, accept a peer review with humility, and persevere until the full truth is totally exposed & understood. The half truths & outright lies of those with a financial agenda do not help us to solve the obvious existential crisis that lies before a global, high tech civilization that is currently based almost entirely on the ever-increasing combustion of cheap fossil fuels. The view of Earth from the Earth Observing Satellites is not subjective - it is what it is. And the climate change impact of flooding the Earth's atmosphere with greenhouse gases is also readily visible and only deniable by those who refuse to look at an unpleasant unfolding reality that would crimp their precious "way of life" if they were to try to mitigate the worst of it. As if an extravagant way of life that clearly imperils the quality of life of future generations is some sort of sacred right that must be preserved at all cost. Heaven forbid that we conduct a rigorous self-examination of our daily lives & our voracious appetite for continuous consumption of finite & precious natural resources and ask ourselves whether what is now considered normal can be sustainable into the future without flipping the planet's global climate into an altered state that will become less & less survivable by future generations of both humans and all other forms of life on our planet. "We have met the enemy and he is us." What is becoming more & more obvious is that there is no easy solution to the existential bind we are in, and any & all improvements made anywhere on Earth in the years ahead will be easily counterbalanced & exceeded by the rapid industrialization of "undeveloped countries" with billions more people who want all the same improvements to "quality of life" that first world countries currently enjoy. As far as we can tell, the best we can do at present is to prepare to try to live sustainably in a world 2.5-3.5C warmer than pre-industrial times because that is what is baked into The System, no pun intended, and no amount of greenwashing, protesting, climate change destruction or half-hearted government policies is going to soft land global civilization on a nice, comfortable global utopia of universal first world quality of life. Once the global climate state change reaches & exceeds the geophysical tipping points, the next phase is purely the Laws of Thermodynamics and a long, drawn out period of a runaway greenhouse Earth until other natural processes kick in and start a swing to another climate state change in the other direction. Best of luck to you all as you examine your lifestyles and attempt to engineer changes that will position you to survive climate change & the socioeconomic chaos that will result.
@LuvTorpedo
Жыл бұрын
I admire your integrety and wish I had your depth of understanding. You set an amazing example.
@Sthilboy56
Жыл бұрын
We all love you John because you admit to mistakes , which means you have integrity and honesty and we can trust you 👍
@AutoExpertJC
Жыл бұрын
Thank you very much, dude.
@rellett1
Жыл бұрын
You are a amazing host and this mistake doesnt change that. I wish we had people like you in charge of our country keep making great videos Thank you.
@yvonnewere8504
Жыл бұрын
Thanks John for your correction. I have a bigger issue with your argument re Wildtrak v Ionic. Your numbers work highlights some of the important anomalies in common attitudes, poor governance and simplistic thinking regarding EVs. Firstly the honest Engineering teachers and students in my experience have importantly always qualified EV emissions as 'zero at point of use'. As you rightly point out, even if the source electrical energy is renewable the embedded manufacturing energy and lifetime losses are never zero and must be considered. The call for greater renewable energy in our national grid is decades old and is in part largely for this very reason. The Energy number crunchers realised ages ago that there would be little environmental benefit, or even the possibility of powering a transition to EVs in this or any other country without it. And here we are ......still reliant on burning coal and still up Shite Creek. We even see the nuclear power lobby promoting low emissions nuclear power in order to enable the transition. I am sure there are and will be individuals out there who are able to utilize renewable technology to minimise their carbon footprint way beyond your hypothetical 'Wildtrak girl'. Why install a home battery if you have flexible V2G capability and can utilise your EV battery and a home or work PV system to power your home? There has to be a role for Government intervention in incentivising both home renewables and flexible options and inexpensive EV uptake over and above simply letting the profit driven market forces dictate the terms. Maybe having the capacity to recharge your own vehicle with your own renewable energy first could be a requirement to receive government benefits for an EV purchase?
@LearningFast
Жыл бұрын
When he said he “carries a torch everyday” I pictured him walking around with a welder. I had no idea he was talking about flashlights.
@louspinelli1745
Жыл бұрын
Hello John, big fan. I do have one question as to the CO2 number that you are using for the internal combustion engine. Are you only calculating the tailpipe emissions of that burned fuel, or are you also taking into account all of the CO2 involved in capturing the crude oil, refining the crude oil, transporting the crude oil, etc. as you are doing for the battery of the electric vehicle? I also agree with you totally that the biggest help is cleaning up our dirty grids. Coal has to go!
@jasonsvarc4424
Жыл бұрын
Very good point. The full emissions have not been accounted for in regards to the extraction, refining and transportation of oil.
@PowerOn-
Жыл бұрын
Apparently Jon is an engineer who makes mistakes - this is a huge one and unfortunately he does it so often it's inexcusable. In fact it is deliberate, only he knows why he does it.
@Oz_Lumpy
Жыл бұрын
Kudos to you John for having the intestinal fortitude to stand up and rectify your error.
@LearningFast
Жыл бұрын
This is what I like best about this channel. You are just about getting to the truth even if you have to admit your mistakes. Bravo my good man. I really admire your honesty here.
@MichaelKingsfordGray
Жыл бұрын
Learn your real name: FAST!
@davidiand7
Жыл бұрын
I respect and trust someone who admits their mistakes, pity we don’t have any politicians prepared to do that! Part of the problem is a lot of people want the latest model and change cars every three years. I have had my “evil” petrol car for 14 years, I live in Sweden it gets cold here, a lot of people live in apartments, we can go weeks without seeing the sun, winter there can be only 6 hours of daylight. We use nuclear, which is being attacked by the greenies, we have hydro,low emissions gas turbines, steam turbines driven by the heat from gas turbine exhausts, do not use coal for power generation, only BBQs! We are only responsible for around 1% of of the planet’s emissions and yet we are being pressurised and brainwashed by advertisements for EVs which as you say are not the final solution, especially for someone like me, a pensioner, I can just afford my 14 year old car. The most important thing for me is to be able to heat my home in the winter, it gets really cold here. We also have wind turbines and solar energy but they only produce about 2% of energy needs and during periods of no wind can ice up the apparently a helicopter and de-icer is needed to de-ice the blades and solar doesn’t work with snow on the panels. So trying to achieve net zero here is like trying to swim upstream in a tsunami. According to some sources 440ppm of Co2 is boarder line if it gets too low plant life will die, we need to stop also deforestation and plant more trees, that’s not going to happen, though. Then there are volcanoes that erupt around the world every year! Net zero is never going to be achievable when you have countries such as China still building coal fired power stations on a massive scale.
@ronenb75
Жыл бұрын
Hey John, I reckon you made another mistake there. You calculate the upfront "cost" of CO2 of an EV but then go to calculate the ICE car as if it has none. That's not true; In order for an ICE car to get its fuel into its belly, there's a lot of CO2 wastage. From extraction, refining, transporting etc. For EVs, you took a general number of 1kwh produced, which we can estimate include all those costs. It is also hard to calculate the additional cost of infrastructure since domestic use fuel is a dedicated infrastructure while charging EVs is a shared one (you have electricity going into your house regardless of the ownership of an EV). Moreover, the tendency is to balance the load on the network throughout the day (by making time-of-day costing) in such a way that there's no need to upgrade the network massively to accommodate for the increase in load). Add that to more renewals, neighbourhood batteries and household batteries, all of which cannot be done with ICE - there's some more cost there. Definitely on a large scale.
@MattBlack6
Жыл бұрын
Also to note. If Ioniq boy wants to tow something, he's going to drastically increase his energy consumption. Wildtrack girl, not so much.
@waynerussell6401
Жыл бұрын
The physics is the same for everyone.
@NexGen-3D
Жыл бұрын
You still bated me to click, that’s because you are the Master Bater! ;)
@AutoExpertJC
Жыл бұрын
Master Baition is my super-power, duuuuuuuude!
@Low760
Жыл бұрын
The other catch would be, the short trip ev would not reach 150,000km in ten years on average I would imagine, you do less km in your little runabout than your tow/trip car. Or in ten years the software is out of date, and the vehicle is bricked.
@sjion
Жыл бұрын
That's why you're easy to respect. You are 100% up front. Love you long time.
@phillipwarburton9820
Жыл бұрын
This is just the current Emissions today. Assuming it won’t change, but it will. Gvts are committed around the world to reduce emissions, so the probability in the future that charging an EV in Australia will produce less and less carbon over time. So it’s already better today in 2023 (as John said after a certain amount of KM travelled) and we can predict it will only get better as the energy mix changes. And also as production changes. The batteries used today will not be the same in 10 years time - carbon in production of these vehicles will drop. I'd also be interested to know if the CO2 emissions for extraction, refining and transporting (sea and land) petroleum was included in John's calculations
@dougstubbs9637
Жыл бұрын
The biggest problem with yesterday’s’ video is the same as today’s video. Still no bin camera, lack of effective scoreboard.
@AutoExpertJC
Жыл бұрын
Slack me...
@dougstubbs9637
Жыл бұрын
@@AutoExpertJC why not ask one of your Ming Moles to borrow their Ho Pro camera ?
@AutoExpertJC
Жыл бұрын
The HoPros get a complete flogging...
@dougstubbs9637
Жыл бұрын
@@AutoExpertJC 😂😂😂😂 feather duster, or whole chook ?
@AutoExpertJC
Жыл бұрын
They're ruggedised, so 'full fowl'.
@jamiehoward7478
Жыл бұрын
It shows a deep integrity to admit an error
@AutoExpertJC
Жыл бұрын
Respect for the facts...
@SuperYerkers
Жыл бұрын
Love your work John! I think assuming that the grid CO2 mass/kWh rate into the future isn’t going to drop is a bit unfair. This factor has to drop into the future but in comparison, the ICE emissions will stay almost the same. It would add value to the calculation to make this a variable in the ev calc, and look at an expected full lifecycle analysis over 20 years based on the current trend of the grid emissions intensity.
@tomwebster3249
9 ай бұрын
I agree. I’m trying to relate the CO2 grams per kW of John’s “AushTrallyaan” National Grid (which sounds like its’ heavily coal-dependant) to the New Zealand Grid (which is largely hydro and wind driven). Maybe we do come out better in NZ with EV’s - apart from running the risk of burning our garages down !!
@Andrew-vs2wd
Жыл бұрын
Comparison with home solar (and battery) totally apposite. Biggest issue there is that corporate electricity is doing everything it can to not allow us ALL to move over to solar too quickly, while they work out how they can ream us for getting solar and batteries at home, and them charging us for giving them electricity. Bastards. Sigourney Weaver, Aliens mama, huge hero. She kicks ass.
@paulcharlton2353
3 ай бұрын
One of your best videos, not that you make many mistakes but love that you fess up. I respect someone who holds there hands up when they make a mistake (we all do) so keep up the good work.
@staceycostello459
Жыл бұрын
Hi John, a question I have about the EV versus diesel comparison. The 7500kg of CO2 to make the battery makes sense, but the CO2 emissions from the diesel as I understand your calculations are only from the time that the diesel is put into your tank. Should the calculations not include the CO2 that it takes to produce the diesel before you put it in your tank? I’m not arguing one way or the other, but as you say the facts are important and it just seems the whole process is getting counted for the battery production, but not from the oil coming out of the ground until it gets to the service station. I may have misunderstood and please correct me if I have. Regards Stacey
@PowerOn-
Жыл бұрын
You are correct, Jon has failed to account for this (and a few other key items as well!
@jaimeriveras
Жыл бұрын
Maybe because I'm engineer, but I don't think making a mistake in calculations - however well reviewed - is not unusual. You just tell people about it, make the corrections, and move on, as you just did. Thanks.
@18_rabbit
Жыл бұрын
* me thinks u meant "is unusual" ? to err is human. That's why automation in various things can be so good for ppl's safety and efficiency.
@gbr562
Жыл бұрын
If you measure the co2 during electricity production at the power station, surely you need to also include the full production process of creating the fuel at the pump and not just the co2 burned by running the ic engine. Co2 for a unit of fuel compared to an equivalent unit of electricity. My guess is you'll need to add another 25% for the fuel production supply chain.
@almem7457
Жыл бұрын
Good point. Also need to consider emission of NOx gases by ICE engines and their detrimental health effects.
@peterbennett2301
Жыл бұрын
I agree we need to compare like for like but John is absolutely going in the right direction. Also lifetime ownership costs in terms of CO2 impact need to be factored into the model
@bikesbabes4721
Жыл бұрын
The irony is that CO2 captured at these facilities can be turned back into oil by algae without ever reaching the greenhouse canopy some seem to fear so much.
@kimmokannala4576
Жыл бұрын
And a lot of Cobalt to purify that fuel.
@kimmokannala4576
Жыл бұрын
@@peterbennett2301 One might need to take into account also how the recycling of batteries affect the equation. Materials are dug and processed once, then recycled.
@davidhenry9054
Жыл бұрын
Kudos for correcting your mistake, John. But as a scientist you also know that science does not stand still. I agree with much of what you say but whatever your truth is in 2023 it will have changed by 2030 and beyond. By then, the battery chemistry will have improved, energy density will have increased, the batteries will be lighter, V2L will be common, the electric motors will be more efficient, and the grid will be much greener. Your calculations will change - a lot. It’s not the 2023 numbers that matter - it’s how they will change. And we have to start the process. As a medical scientist who graduated in 1972, and worked in a cardiac unit, I made calculations about how many lives lost from heart disease we could have prevented at that time. I would never ever have guessed that we would be preventing 80% of them by 2020. I am surprised that you have such a static view of science.
@stephenbrickwood1602
Жыл бұрын
I am a Civil Engineer with decades in the industry. Including one decade in the Electric power generation and transmission. Contractors side. My old university Engineering mate is lost in the nuclear industry promoters world. He tipped me off that transmission of Renewables from distant 'farms' to the cities was too expensive and gave me the costs. The example was new transmission to Snowy 2 and the different generation sources. Then Allan Fels, the government adviser and AEMO adviser, said that 5 times more electricity was needed to replace the high energy density fossil fuels. And you could see that the world had an economic crisis. That's when I found that Australia has 20million vehicles and buildings, and the buildings are connected to the existing national grid. And Australia has 25GW of installed fossil fueled power generation. So, with a few solar PV panels on the building rooftops and the EV selfparking and plugged into the grid 23hrs a day. Australia could UNLOAD the national power grid and have dispatchable electricity 2 or 5 times today's electric supply with no fossil fuels, just renewable energy and EVs. Everyone agrees with EVs, and the battery technology is rapidly improving. Nuclear means a massive fattening of everything infrastructure and the world supply of tonnes of uranium ore to every country's nuclear industries. USA military defence budgets will explode 😳. Add those costs onto the whole deal. !!!!!!!!!!! So, a simple construction tender estimate process high lights glaring stupidity of the concentrated central power generation proposal.
@symbungee
Жыл бұрын
❤ Respect. You own your error and correct it.
@AutoExpertJC
Жыл бұрын
It's not that hard. Just sucks a bit to have done it wrong in the first place.
@csjrogerson2377
Жыл бұрын
I thought something was odd about that number, but I was tired and in a hurry. Anyway, great that you 'fessed up and re-did the maths. That Ford gas guzzler has a lot to answer for, but the ionic 5 is not the virtuous archangel either. My Mazda 2 skyactiv D produces 89 gm of CO2/km.
@freedomovertyranny1770
Жыл бұрын
You'll never be Prime Mincer with this level of honesty 😂
@maschwab63
Жыл бұрын
What I remember of an article I read, was that manufacturing EV cars cause about 50% more CO2. Powering the EV from a Coal (H0(CH0)999H0) reduces CO2 by 25%, from a liquid fuel (H1(CH2)10H1) power plant about 50%, from a natural gas (H1(CH2)1H1) power plant about 75%, from non-carbon power plant (hydro, photo voltaic, wind, etc) 100%. The big disadvantage is ICE vehicles is small engines loose a lot of energy via surface area, cooling systems, mechanical transmission, putting about 15-20% energy in fuel on the road, vs a 200-1000MW power plant delivering 50% to the outlet. Even an engine/generator motor can double an ice engine efficiency especially with a battery to boost high demand situations for short periods of time.
@edwardsmith4101
Жыл бұрын
Welsh guy here living in the UK, i like the way you Aussies talk straight, please or offend you don't care i wish there were more people in my country who would tell things as they are and not pander to the minority veggie eating climate lefties who want us all to stay in our cold dark houses without proper heating and walk everywhere
@tubaman66
Жыл бұрын
Respect to you for owning your error. Hope the punishment session with Tiffany wasn't too painful!
@dougreid2351
Жыл бұрын
Having not yet seen the oft' mentioned "Tiffany" I remain unconvinced that she is real... DOUG out
@adrianbird1139
Жыл бұрын
JC, love your work and your coverage of the intellectual incandescence of the Aussie energy framework. I reckon Wildtrack girl (but not so much Ionic boy) could go another 10 years, but the servicing and fuel costs might be increasingly influential in a broader comparison. Would also be interesting to know what the disposal costs will be in 10 years for spent EV batteries.
@HarmLessSolutionsNZ
Жыл бұрын
In 10 years time redundant EV batteries might be numerous enough for the emerging battery recycling enterprises to gain access to them because for now at least the demand for them to repurpose as DIY home storage units is making them far too valuable to 'dispose of'. Unlike fossil fuels which are burnt and lost forever they retain all of their constituent mineral inputs so are a perfect source of inputs for new batteries.
@nadnerb2k
Жыл бұрын
10 years? My Nissan Leaf battery is 11 years old and still going strong at 73% state of health. When it gets to 50% I'll part the car out and use the battery for home energy storage. It'll still have 12kWh left (early Leaf batteries were 24kwh) which is more than most home solar batteries these days. You'll honestly get closer to 30 years use out of a battery than 10.
@gregbailey45
Жыл бұрын
You're making an excellent case for decarbonising the grid. Thanks. The sooner we go electric everything, the better. Renewable generation plus storage ftw!
@motleydude73
Жыл бұрын
All eggs in one basket? What a joke.
@essentialmix1606
Жыл бұрын
@@motleydude73 I know right? For far too long we have been completely reliant on oil.
@motleydude73
Жыл бұрын
@@essentialmix1606 A resource that is infinite and renewable. Already having rolling power blackouts in some places and only 20m EVs on the planet. They want 1 billion 🤣
@essentialmix1606
Жыл бұрын
@@motleydude73 EVs will form part of the grid in the future. When/if there are a billion batteries parked in garages the storage potential will be like nothing mankind has ever seen. All it takes is a small amount of curiosity to discover some of the potential benefits... Or you could cross your arms and just push back on anything you don't understand or care to learn about I guess. Have a nice day 👍
@motleydude73
Жыл бұрын
@@essentialmix1606 EVs are pointless piles of crap. They will solve nothing and cause owners nothing but problems. Already are.
@solarguy6043
7 ай бұрын
The great algorithm determined that I would enjoy and appreciate your channel. Sure enough..... For those of us who understand and appreciate the value of good data, and actual facts and references and footnotes, will universally be impressed by your confession/admission/rectification video. Everybody, even politicians, would be better off to recognize that everybody makes mistakes. It's the response after the error that separates the intellectually honest and critical thinkers from the other crowd who runs largely on emotion. Serious discussions about important topics should never be decided by who yells the loudest. And yet it is all too common. Carry on with your outstanding work.
@bruceallen6492
3 ай бұрын
This happens to us all! Thank you for the update! I admit to carrying my units through so I can see I'm getting cucumbers per cubic feet.
@markusdammasch9108
Жыл бұрын
Great video John. Thankyou. Yes, the solution to the greenhouse problem will always be in the electrical grid and home and commercial energy usage. Thanks for the vehicle comparisons that actually realistic and take into account the whole scope of the manufacturing and driving experience and are easy to relate to.
@galahadthreepwood
Жыл бұрын
What greenhouse problem? If all the politicians say it's a problem, you can be sure it's not.
@Mikefngarage
10 ай бұрын
I have been an advocate of household solar. I put up 7kw of solar. Almost zeros me out. and cost me 13k usd. saves me money every month and less pull from the grid. We should be doing more for this before we start with EV push.
@furocity
Жыл бұрын
I’m mighty impressed by this John. Bravo to you sir
@clintmader3079
Жыл бұрын
Hello John. Well done owning up to your mistake. Great integrity. I did notice that you calculated the EV battery at 7000kg of CO2, which it should. However within your calculations for the ICE vehicle did your CO2 figures also include the production of each litre of fuel used?
@dposer10
Жыл бұрын
well if you're gonna go there then you should include the same info for the electric production the ev uses
@Geek-A-Hertz8707
6 ай бұрын
Did you take into account the approximately 27% of power lost in transmission from generator to charger? Also the charger itself isn't 100% efficient so lets guess 90%. So each 1KW consumed by the car is ~1.5KW at the generator. So is the CO2 number was used, for power at the load, or power at the generator? This all just means that the electric vehicle co2 number caclulated could actually be 1.5x higher.
@borneobudi3431
9 ай бұрын
Excellent you have just proved you are ethical an a human being. A real engineer / salt of the earth fesses up to his mistakes.
@jaredebeling1412
Жыл бұрын
I never thought I would buy an EV but now I have a 10kw home solar setup - I’m going to buy an EV. (We still have a petrol car as 2nd car for long trips.
@PowerOn-
Жыл бұрын
It's a decision that most people don't regret.... go for it.
@jake321able
Жыл бұрын
If battery replacement is added to calculation, will it change your conclusions? Not sure data is available on battery life...thanks for what you do. I am still not convinced an EV is worthwhile, as I keep my ICE vehicles for 15-20 years for 200-300K miles.
@johnclayton6676
Жыл бұрын
My thoughts exactly. What about when the EV battery dies (10 years?). How easy to replace, cost, waste disposaletc, whilst the ICE vehicle can keep going for maybe 500, 000 km? With regular service
@brianjensen5200
Жыл бұрын
The answer to that is somewhat compounded by a few unknowns and some imaginary wishes. First of all, data (quality?) is slowly emerging that it looks like ev batteries in general last much longer than anticipated. This doesn't mean they don't loose performance, it just means that average performance lost doesn't force everyone to go replace the battery. It's probably more the same scenario as those friends you might have that has an older phone and accept that they may need to charge a few times during the day instead of overnight. This means, EVs out there still goes without battery swaps, on average for a much longer lifespan. Second thing to consider is, once we do get worn out ev batteries in large quantities, then recycling will flourish, and that'll lead to a new generation of ev batteries with much lower manufacturing pollution foot prints. Of course, time is what will tell us how all of this really eventuates.
@ElectricCarAustralia
Жыл бұрын
Thanks for the stand up correction John. 👍 Agree the investment on the solar is better bang for $ and enviro buck before thinking EV. Keep up the great work delivering honest, interesting & practical videos across multiple subjects.
@shutthegate8232
Жыл бұрын
the EV push may be more about eventual control, restrictions, geofencing, shut offs, out of reach of ordinary people etc, than the planet. Some other things make way more sense and are way more workable without throwing a baby out with the bathwater and leaving a high percentage of people high and dry.
@johnnosawyer6423
11 ай бұрын
Here’s something people also never include. The assumption is that batteries last say 5 years, what is the emission values when a battery fails early in its life and needs replacing. Emissions are now double as far as the battery part of the vehicle’s construction are concerned. What are the emission numbers regarding premature total engine failure verses total battery failures.
@lllordllloyd
Жыл бұрын
Credible sources make clear corrections and retractions. Regarding comparisons, we can clean up the input to the Ionic over 10 years (if we vote for that). The Wildtrack will always be the same. Your broader message that it is hard is most valid, which is why we should have started 15 years ago. Hats off to you John.
@beecee1235
Жыл бұрын
Boadicea, another female kick ass hero..... Some experiences make us "levitate" while others keep us "grounded". But all help to make us who we are. Fair dinkum mate. You run an excellent channel. Thanks.
@0HOON0
Жыл бұрын
Boudica?
@Slappingplastic
Жыл бұрын
@@0HOON0 depends on the author and record keeper
@kellyr2681
Жыл бұрын
Hi John, l would suggest that the Battery will also need replacing within 150k ks, where as the Wildtrak should be good for 500,000 k. So l guess an extra 2 batteries worth of carbon should be allowed for. Just saying.
@LB-fx1kn
Жыл бұрын
EV batteries already last much longer than that. There's a Tesla Model S with over 1 million kilometres on a single battery, and many more around the half million. Hell there's even a Nissan Leaf with 320,000km on original battery here in NZ.
@monarodan
Жыл бұрын
Lol. No. Just no.
@PowerOn-
Жыл бұрын
There are few vehicles that achieve 500k in their lifetime. If they do they usually need serious maintenance of some sort regardless of whether it's an EV or an ICE.
@LiamE69
Жыл бұрын
Nice one John. I commented on the video yesterday saying I was seeing different numbers. This explains why. Mistakes are not the problem, its the people that think they never make them themselves and can't put their hand up when they do.
@yasi4877
Жыл бұрын
Appreciate your honesty John. May the IPCC and others admit to theirs? I have become aware of the environmental damage being done with the installation of wind turbines in pristine Qld forest areas with the creation of access tracks and operating space around each to get clear air. Birds, bats and insects are going to be destroyed in huge numbers over the lifetime of these installations with far reaching effects over the wider area. Similarly with solar farms due to the heat generated being potentially fatal to an even wider group of animals and birds crossing over and under. Then we come to BEVs. What are the health risks of extended exposure sitting for hours within the magnetic field of a giant battery? Equivalent to holding a mobile phone to each ear I have heard or getting a continuous dose of EMF radiation? I'd like to know, if we ever will know? And we need to remind ourselves that we are doing this while ignoring the fact that the atmosphere consists of 99.999% other than man-made CO2. If we eeked out a reduction of man-made CO2 from .001% to .0009% what good if anything, will come from that? In the meantime I'm hanging on to my 2016 Kia Cee'd diesel at least until EV range can match that. Could be a long wait?
@koenhoremans3536
11 ай бұрын
If CO2 indeed drives global temperature change, this should be visible in historical data. After all there is only one kind of CO2. And what does historical data show: changes in global temperature drive equal changes in CO2 ! Added to that is the fact that CO2 is plant food, and as such the gas of life.
@yvhunter3187
5 ай бұрын
John, John, John. Grab your calculator out. You have used the CO2 produced in the production of electricity, so to be fair, you need to use the CO2 produced in the production of diesel or petrol. Your calcuations a based on diesel or petrol turning up at the bowser with zero CO2 produced to get it there.
@320duane
Жыл бұрын
It’s alright John. Don’t worry. I can still remember the last time I made a mistake. I believe it was 1977. We’re all human.
@AutoExpertJC
Жыл бұрын
When's the next one due? I'll set an alarm.
@tomricketts7821
Жыл бұрын
I remember the Occassion turns out you weren’t wrong
@320duane
Жыл бұрын
It’s only wrong. If you believe it’s wrong.
@efalvar
Жыл бұрын
It's good to see honest reporting of the facts. EV are not zero emission vehicles. However, John did a worst-case assessment, i.e.100% charging from today's grid. One thing to consider is the emissions of the ICE vehicle your purchase today will never get better over time. The grid is slowly becoming greener; therefore, your EV will also become progressively greener over time.
@izoyt
11 ай бұрын
greener by what, solar panels & batteries? not in my book, wind maybe. eu for example could realy went greener with wind and geothermal for ex. (greece, iceland etc), so stable (so, not just pain in the ass for grid as roof solar panels are) and sustainable natural resource of energy, but they choose stupidity with solar etc (clearly for business), and use high tax euro for it. oh and yes, things like activation of old coal plants in germany etc after ukraine "happen" (another ironic move was also to completely scrap natural gas, which is probably still best fossil alternative out there, which will be needed in the future as well, no matter what). eu green deal (which is i guess kind of prototype for other "western" regions, which they never will employ on that level anyway) have derailed completely, when it comes to common sense.
@Cluuey
11 ай бұрын
That depends on where you are in the world @@izoyt. In Oz solar will play a bigger role than it will in parts of Europe, wind will be used in many places and there are some promising developments from tidal, hydro works for some areas too, it all comes down to what each region has available to it. There is no "one answer" for everywhere. Germany is probably regretting decommissioning its nuclear power plants, although admitting that publicly is probably considered too risky from a political/votes perspective.
@BurtonWu
Жыл бұрын
Thanks for the video. It is also worth taking the life span of the EV battery into consideration.
@matsv201
Жыл бұрын
That have become a bit better the last years. Well some brands are still behind. But generally most EV should make 200 000-250 000km on the first battery. Something like 90-95% of the cars will... The issue here is more one of economy than one of environment. Most car manufactures have a warranty of 160 000km of battery life (or 8 years, what ever comes first). If you buy a used car that have runned more than 160 000km.. or are older than 8 years, you really can´t afford to take a loan on it. Because that car is a ticking economical time bomb. You can have a cell failure at any time. It might happen at 160 001km or it might happen at 250 000km you would never know a head. When that happen the car is effectively worthless. Because the glider part of the car is old and worn and really not worth much, and a new battery and install cost would be more expensive then just buying a new car. Like a brand new car, not even talking about a 3-4 year used car. There is not to many 8+ year used car on the market yet, but we are only 3 or 4 years away from that. And that might be a economical disaster for some people.
@dave24-73
Жыл бұрын
EVs due to the added weight tend to go through tyres pretty quick, something else that is not always accounted for.
@CSMtheMariner
Жыл бұрын
With battery pack weights - they're going to go through road surfaces quicker too- should that be calculated in as well? (No sarcastic)
@dave24-73
Жыл бұрын
@@CSMtheMariner technically it should as people are painting EVs as this green machine, and the more you look into it the less green they are.
@lillebrorjensen7063
Жыл бұрын
In Denmark 2022 53,3% off All electric is from Green power, and all GAS use is 40% BIOGAS 2022
@_ShadoE_
Жыл бұрын
I have not watched the previous video yet but did John take into account carbon emitted to refine the fuel as well? Since I would imagine that would also be part of ice's carbon emmissions. (much like the production of the battery)
@stevenhogarth8945
Жыл бұрын
No, I don’t think he did. That being said, I believe the overall premise of the video is to show that EV’s are not as green as car manufactures (and the media mouthpieces) say they are.
@_ShadoE_
Жыл бұрын
@@stevenhogarth8945 that's fine I was just kinda interested if it was closer than what was calculated for, kinda a damned if we do damned if we don't
@notathome13
Жыл бұрын
Take a big pair of balls admit and explain an error - thanks for owning up. One issues the ev-lovers don’t want to discuss is recycling said dead ev back to components for reuse. It’s hard to gauge this impact and we are promised a solution to address recovery of elements from batteries/electronics/motors. Odd are none of this will be done in Australia, item will be shipped somewhere and will take energy . At this point ev is a hard sell in this country.
@AutoExpertJC
Жыл бұрын
I always look at mine through a wide-angle lens, so they seem that way to me...
@notathome13
Жыл бұрын
@@AutoExpertJC double wide and hight - bonus!
@jasonhall7753
Жыл бұрын
Hey John, awesome video and it does take a decent human to admit when they have made a mistake. Kudos there. I really enjoy your videos and this is no exception. It all looks very good right up to the point of the money discussion. Yes Wildtrack Girl saved on the purchase price between the vehicles, but she also had to pay $2.20 per lite of diesel for her 15000 kms per year while Ioniq Boy plugged into the grid and charged his EV on (presumably off peak) power in your analysis. We would need to look at the net cost per km or year of the difference between those two and that difference becomes the amount Wildtrack Girl has to buy her kick arse solar array and battery. By my reckoning, her 15000km of travel will cost her about $4k in fuel costs each year, so she runs out of cash for her solar array and battery within 4 years. Ioniq Boy, on the other hand, will spend just a few hundred bucks a year off peak to charge his battery car. I'm not sure we can call it so totally in favour of Wildtrack Girl on the basis of this economic reality, but I'd love to see you run those calculations in there too. Just because money is a factor, as you say, so we should put that into the analysis to ensure a level playing field in the numbers. Either way, top marks, and I fully agree that the fixation on EVs as the panacea of all solutions to emissions is just a load of virtual signaling bollocks, and is a distraction from the real issues we have to reach net zero. Keep up the great videos John!
@PrisonerD
Жыл бұрын
I find it interesting too that if you factor in a smaller diesel than the Wildtrack (say my BMW 320d for example), then at 125g per km CO2, it’s virtually as clean as an Ionic 5 in the coal fired states, but I can get 1000km range urban, nearly 1300km highway and refuel in 5 mins anywhere in Austalia. Until EVs get a lot cheaper than they are now, and the grid cleans up its act, I’ll be sticking with the diesel for as long as possible. As EVs are taken up, diesel will get cheaper due to falling demand.
@rattusfinkus
Жыл бұрын
@@PrisonerD What was never considered is the embodied CO2 in the fossil fuel, the energy needed to extract, transport, refine and distribute diesel. Estimates are between 30-40% in addition to tail pipe emissions.
@PrisonerD
Жыл бұрын
@@rattusfinkus Sure - but the same applies to coal mining and transport for electricity production, and there’s lithium, copper and cobalt mining too. At the other end of the EV's life the problem of battery recycling hasn’t been solved yet either, where as most of an ICE car can be recycled. This should be solved in time, and the energy grid will be cleaned up, at which point I’ll happily convert to an EV, or whatever the best solution is at that point. In the meantime, less consumption and looking at energy efficiency are much faster ways to bring down emissions.
@rattusfinkus
Жыл бұрын
@@PrisonerD 40% of global shipping is dedicated to shipping fossil fuels
@rattusfinkus
Жыл бұрын
@@PrisonerD the other thing to consider is that PV and battery ownership, i assume, would be much higher amongst EV owners right now and will only increase as battery and PV prices continue to fall. So look at a LFP EV with a potential 1 million kilometres of lifespan, during this time the grid will become greener. Battery recycling will happen when there's enough batteries to recycle. Electricity retailers are already talking about TOU and dynamic power pricing to load shift EV charging which further shifts the economics and the CO2 reductions. And we haven't talked about V2G which is not ready yet but soon will be.
@Flamamacue
Жыл бұрын
Good on you for swallowing your pride to correct your mistake in a frankly majestic way. And thank you for highlighting the marketing campaign that is "green vehicles". Grinds my gears. I do also find it ironic that the central pillar of the "green" movement is less CO2 and less CO2 actually means less plant matter ergo less green. Yet it's marketed as being good for the trees. I get the approach of reducing climate impacts etc but as a logistical application, solar, wind, EVs and anything reducing CO2 is the opposite of green
@stephenelcoat969
Жыл бұрын
Hi John, nice to have a non biased opinion on this. I think you need to also include the embodied co2 to make the ICE as well as the co2 of refining the fuel. Keep up the crusade😊
@AutoExpertJC
Жыл бұрын
I think you need to think more clearly. My comparison as is is perfectly rational and appropriate.
@samftr
Жыл бұрын
John, you need a bin cam. 😊
@AutoExpertJC
Жыл бұрын
Define "need".
@samftr
Жыл бұрын
@@AutoExpertJC We wish to see the bin shots haha
@rolly4x4
Жыл бұрын
Yessssssss
@bogusdogus
Жыл бұрын
Great report John. Nice recant and rework. I totally agree and been saying for some time that, although EVs are probably the way of the future, they do not get us to our climate change targets. Not even close. We are being played by big interests to replace our cars with EVs instead of getting rid of the big carbon producing entities already in use. Profits and short term thinking as usual I guess. Excellent work John.
@mgreenesco9955
Жыл бұрын
The politicians and controlling interests groups climate targets, not ours. There's more than enough evidence to suggest it's all a con including not one estimate even coming close to their doomsday predictions.
@fishfullness
Жыл бұрын
"big interests" would much rather we keep buying ICE vehicles actually - especially western big interests - who cannot make EVs on the scale they need to to make a profit on them at the moment.
@jerrymyahzcat
Жыл бұрын
BEVs are NOT the way of the future at all. They are only a subset of it. Never ever will or should we try to have 100% BEV as it won’t and can’t work. We also need to embrace other tech such as hydrogen and new things as they come along. BEVs have their place - ok. But it’s not the end game.
@DHW256
Жыл бұрын
EVs are part of the distant past really, regarding the automobile. If they weren't the government wouldn't be so compelled to push contextual frauds and rules force-pleasing the masses out of the modes they choose and, eventually, compelling them out of their cars and into mass transit. The "do gooders" are warring against you. CO2 is a follower, not a harbinger.
@radiofreemongoliaofficial
Жыл бұрын
@@fishfullnessever heard of outsourcing?
@hooligan69ful
Жыл бұрын
John , You are hitting the nail on the head here. New Zealanders seem to suffer of this Virtue signaling with pushing for more EV’s on the roads Because we want to be GREEN , ZERO EMISSIONS. trying to explain to some numpties that the Best advice is to Maintain your car well( So it runs as efficiently as possible ) and drive it for as long as possible.
@neversettle7666
Жыл бұрын
There are other factors to consider, such as driving less or purchasing a newer ICE which is more efficient. Your older vehicle can then be onsold as a second or third vehicle or serve someone in their early adult years as reliable transport.
@ricks7583
Жыл бұрын
NZ generates 80% of its electricity from renewables does it not?
@kylebeetham3679
Жыл бұрын
It’s interesting how people interpret someone driving an EV as virtue signaling when they have no idea what that person is actually thinking, it say more about you than the ev driver, on the other hand there is some interesting studies about people who drive big Uts in NZ showing how most Ute drivers own utes for emotional reasons (to impress others, to feel included, to not feel scared) in other words to compensate for lacking something.
@kylebeetham3679
Жыл бұрын
@@ricks7583 yes but that 20% all goes directly into evs to be stored in batteries full of cobalt mined by congalese children and which will spontaneously explode into a thermal runaway fireball (spoiler alert for johns next fudio)
@kylebeetham3679
Жыл бұрын
Another study showed that people who modified their cars to have loud exhausts tended to be sadists and narcissists
@kylebeetham3679
Жыл бұрын
I respect that he finally corrected the error but he’s still conveniently omitting all the harm the oil supply chain does, the respiratory damage, early deaths, the fact that ev improvements have a long way to go while ice can’t improve. If he’s going to do a like for like then do one properly
@jima3129
Жыл бұрын
A wise old man told me when i was a whipper snapper " Son, it ain't the screw up that youll be judged by, but the recovery " its worked for the 77 Years ive trod this mortal coil. Nice Recovery🎉
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