The 7800X3D's price has reached a 12 month high in Germany. 25% more expensive than a couple months ago. All Ryzen 9000 did was make Ryzen 7000 look like the only sensible choice
@sirmonkey1985
Күн бұрын
just retailers trying to make a quick buck. we saw the same thing happen with the 5800X3D for a month after 7k series launched, along with when 11th gen launched vs the 10700/900k. prices will drop again.
@jamesleicher
Күн бұрын
Its mid 600 Australian Dollars here in australia
@PrinzessinMaki
Күн бұрын
Felt Like they increased the 7800x3d by 10 every Week to Sell the 7600x3d for the old 7800 Price. The 7800 went from 320 to 420 and now the 7600 is 320
@joshgts9675
Күн бұрын
@@sirmonkey1985This isn't a scenario where retailers are conspiring against us. Consumers realized the 7800X3D remains the gaming king and demand spiked. It's almost completely sold out in my country.
@hermiandroid3672
Күн бұрын
I am also from Germany, but I stick to a Ryzen 5800X 3D build with cheaper used parts from the online stores 🤑 Will first upgrade my GPU the next years, cause I still use a RTX360 12GB 🫡
@snazzoid
Күн бұрын
So basically, one more review that shows the 7800X3D is a legendary gaming CPU.
@maynardburger
Күн бұрын
A newer generation of CPU being very lackluster does not make the 7800X3D a better CPU.
@onilink888
Күн бұрын
@@maynardburger No, the benchmarks show that it's a better CPU. What an asinine remark.
@Dr.WhetFarts
Күн бұрын
Because it beats a 14700K which is mostly a 13700K from 2 years ago in gaming and loses bigtime outside of gaming? For 7800X3D to be legendary, it needs to perform like Arrow Lake in gaming but will get demolished outside of gaming regardless.
@moldyshishkabob
Күн бұрын
Okay??? But what about the 5800X3D!?!?!?!? >>>>>>:(
@onilink888
Күн бұрын
@@Dr.WhetFarts UberBen'sShark tier waffle. OP specifies "gaming CPU". As in, specifically within the context of gaming, in case that's not clocking for you. There's currently no gaming CPU that will get you the 7800x3D's output at that insane efficiency and none on the horizon. Also, Arrow Lake? Can't wait to see how Intel scams people into buying dud chips with the power draw of a nuclear reactor. lol
@kraithaywire
Күн бұрын
Hi Steve, If possible, please do an updated Ryzen 5800X3D comparison with the 24H2 update. Would love to see that.
@GSP-76
Күн бұрын
This would be huge... considering the uplift in performance from 24h2, AM4 is getting free performance.
@J.D_7
Күн бұрын
Would like to see that as a 5800X3D owner who is still on Windows 10. If there was a big enough difference, I might switch over.
@EnergeticTK
Күн бұрын
Another 5800x3d video letsgo
@sinom
Күн бұрын
The main update/fix with 24H2 was for the new branch prediction added to the 7000 series, so 5000 series CPUs basically don't have a performance uplift in comparison (at least from the very small sample size of games I tested on a 5900x on both 23H2 and 24H2 none of them had any uplift)
@exqlode
Күн бұрын
Yea i had about the same results on my 5800x3d, 24h2 did not change performance significantly
@dukejukem8843
Күн бұрын
Guys...he's still standing 😅.
@nekogami87
Күн бұрын
It's starting to be a spoiler ngl
@IMWithJay
Күн бұрын
Standing here, I realize your performance is just like me trying to make Intel history
@bahadraydn9308
Күн бұрын
What is this mean?
@RaytheonTechnologies_Official
Күн бұрын
@@bahadraydn9308nothing good
@hunn20004
Күн бұрын
better than he ever did? Lookin’ like a true survivor, feelin’ like a little kid.
@fateunleashed9680
Күн бұрын
For all those that keep posting about the new 1202 Agesa micro-code doesn't apply to the 9700X. There is only 1 CCD for all the cores to communicate across, thus core to core latency can't get faster unless they have micro-code issues causing extra latency.
@Frozoken
Күн бұрын
smartest amd fans fr 💀
@damienlobb85
Күн бұрын
@@Frozoken LOL, at least they're only defending a boring upgrade. Intel fanbois are defending a genuinely defective product.
@PixelatedWolf2077
Күн бұрын
They're defending a product that they own because they don't have issues. It's anecdotal and it makes sense why they're making it. It's still stupid. Both Intel and AMD fanboys are stupid tho. @@damienlobb85
@artisan002
20 сағат бұрын
Good call. I fully forgot about that detail. But, I'm also trying out a shot of absinthe in wine, and it's way more effective than I was banking on... As for the AGESA update, the one user example WCCFTech cited definitely didn't see a change in inter-core latency. But, for when it matters in testing later on, they did see _inter-CCD_ latency come down to the same ~75 nanoseconds we get in the 7000 series. Obviously, it still doesn't matter for here, though. LOL
@CaptCurmudgeon
19 сағат бұрын
Part of the problem there might be that internet claims of issues outweigh actual RMA requests by a billion:1 suggesting that half the people claiming they have the issue don't even have an Intel processor. Not sure whats scarier from mental health perspective, defending a known issue or pretending you've got the issue to throw shade. 🤣 What a time to be alive.
@wfb.subtraktor311
Күн бұрын
The fact that your 13 gane benchmark and 42 game benchmark show the same performance difference on 23h2 shows how well selected the 13 game sample is.
@kaiserfakinaway5909
Күн бұрын
almost as if my boi steve knows what he's doing 💪💪 jokes aside i really respect these guys, i hope the don't have a villain arc where they become shady tho they haven't let me down since the gtx 1000 days
@fwabble
Күн бұрын
@@kaiserfakinaway5909 I think they've realised, unlike all the greedy coporations, that being trustworthy... Is THE LONG GAME
@kaiserfakinaway5909
Күн бұрын
@@fwabble exactly!!!
@ranjitmandal1612
18 сағат бұрын
💀
@musicbro8225
3 сағат бұрын
With such a wide range of results it's easy to cherry pick the results required to support your narrative. I'm not saying they have a bias but just pointing out that it's not that impressive. I rate them highly but they're still engagement driven reviewers.
@soulhazetv
Күн бұрын
Power usage difference is WILD. Intel has to have direct outlet plugged into cpu to push those frames. Ryzen is the pinnacle of CPUs.
@heatnup
Күн бұрын
😂
@JonathanCespedestv
Күн бұрын
R7 9700x is $340 and i7 14700k is $380, 11.7% more than R7 on Amazon. 84w vs 171w and only a 3% average difference in gaming performance.
@immanuelkant7552
Күн бұрын
Yeah maybe because the i7 is 20C/28T CPU and significantly faster in multi threaded productivity tasks.
@nipa5961
Күн бұрын
Doesn't matter. Intel is gone and AMD is only competing with themselves at this point.
@pino_de_vogel
Күн бұрын
and if you do productivity the intel is MILES faster then the intel. diffrent product.
@andersjjensen
Күн бұрын
@@immanuelkant7552 That doesn't change the fact that as a gaming CPU it makes no sense. Also doesn't change the fact that the vast majority of people who have an actual need for multi threaded productivity buy OEM systems, so the retail price becomes meaningless.
@JohnSmith-ro8hk
Күн бұрын
@@immanuelkant7552 hardcore copium. don't start quoting the old testament pls
@jeffreypaul9428
Күн бұрын
So 24H2, the chips perform virtually identical and the Intel chip uses twice the power. Jesus christ Intel.
@johnnypopstar
Күн бұрын
That's not changed, btw - the 14th gen is using the same absurd high power on 23H2 too. It's just the chips. My 14700k's sat in a pretty massive Be Quiet case, under my desk, and _holy moly_ the top of the case gets *so* warm to the touch after a gaming session.
@joelfernando1
Күн бұрын
@@johnnypopstar because Amd cpu's don't...
@nipa5961
Күн бұрын
Even 4X the power draw if you compare their best gaming CPUs. Intel wasn't competitive in years already and their situation got even worse.
@xkannibale8768
Күн бұрын
There's no way a 14700k is using 171w sustained during gameplay. That's just not possible. With my 13700k that has the same TDP, most games use between 40-80w of power. Only in loading screens when all cores (including e-cores) get pinned to 100% do you see 170w+. But that's just for the loading screen, not gameplay.
@RNG-999
Күн бұрын
@@joelfernando1X3D CPUs don't. A 7950X3D can only use a maximum of 140W, with average around 100W with an all-core FCLK overclock. X3D CPUs don't use a lot of power because the 3D VCache can only tolerate temperatures 10C less than a normal Ryzen 7000 Zen 4 core. The X3D chiplet is also given less voltage, which decreases the power draw as well.
@Mediiiicc
Күн бұрын
I'll buy the CPU that doesn't kill itself.
@JoelZBub
Күн бұрын
Amen
@pino_de_vogel
Күн бұрын
So your going with something diffrent then amd or intel because amd had litterally exploding chips...
@KrYPTzx
Күн бұрын
@@pino_de_vogelyour coping is real
@Mediiiicc
Күн бұрын
@@pino_de_vogel prove it
@ix2301
Күн бұрын
@@Mediiiicc~1 yr ago some amd chips had issues with asus boards and they ended up frying both the mobo and cpu but I think it ended up being asus' fault not amds
@ianlee6416
Күн бұрын
That power usage is insane.
@singular9
Күн бұрын
Not buying intel until they get the power consumption under control. 150-200w power draw + the requirement to buy watercooling just to get the thermals in check, is just too much cost. AMD still better value EVEN with bad ryzen 9000 launch
@paulsmith950
Күн бұрын
Yeah, I legit don't understand how anyone can give any current intel chips the light of day. Barely improved performance, sometimes worse, for double the power usage! What a bargain. 😂
@dingickso4098
Күн бұрын
Seems like Intel needs Jim Keller to have better cpus just like he did with AMD Zen architecture.
@someperson1829
Күн бұрын
Said absolutely no one on the GPU comparison video, while in CPU one it's always a big deal, for some reason. I wonder why. As for the temps: I've seen lost of videos where 7800X3D eats at least twice less power, yet still runs hotter than my 14900KF. The power draw not always equals to temperature.
@Simon_Denmark
Күн бұрын
@@someperson1829People absolutely do talk about GPU power consumption, are you blind and deaf? Especially when there’s melting connectors involved. The thing is though that with a 4090 you can power limit or undervolt it and still keep most of the performance.
@titotech
Күн бұрын
123w less on 9700x for barely difference, surely its worth it.
@ProVishGaming
Күн бұрын
@@titotech terrible point. These intel chips are known to be overvolted like hell. Undervolt the 14700k and that margin comes down. Not mention AMD sucks at light loads wattage. My 13600k uses 10-15w to watch KZitem and do any light task. A 7800x3d idles at 25-30w, and will use above 35w to do those tasks. In the end, a 13600k and 7800x3d use the same amount of power after a day of use. Not a single person talks about this because it makes AMD look bad.
@mikkelkirketerp4884
Күн бұрын
@@ProVishGaming you do realise that you get 5 hours of youtubing with 25w more, for one hour of gaming? Like game 1-2 hours a day, and you basically don't have the time to win back that excess power usage on Intel.
@chiyolate
Күн бұрын
it has much less power in multicore scenario, I'd pick 14700K because I do a lot of multitasking not just gaming.
@Vantrakter
Күн бұрын
@@ProVishGaming Theoretical power draw from single components is less useful than the whole system from the wall, as that's what you pay for. I have never seen a good test showing how an Intel platform draws less power at idle or under light load than an AMD platform. Maybe that's why "no one talks about it"? Check Techpowerup's review of the 7800x3d for instance. For reference I went from a B550/r55600/3600MHzCL16DDR4 32GB RX 7900 XT platform -> B650/r77800X3d/6000MHzCL30DDR5 32GB and the same RX 7900 XT and I have virtually the same numbers at idle and under relatively high load (those were the tests I made).
@ProVishGaming
Күн бұрын
@@mikkelkirketerp4884 do you realize my 13600k only uses 60w on average when gaming, probably only 10w more than a 7800x3d. Do you realize that I get 20% more production workload? Do you realize that I play 1440p with 4070ti so I’m gonna to see the same amount of fps no matter what? Do you realize I spent $250 for my 13600k, at a time when the 7800x3d was $450? I know some idiots that would have bought a 7800x3d and 4070 with my budget instead of a 13600k and 4070ti just cause Intel bad AMD good. $200 difference for the same performance in gaming! And with 7800x3d combo that I mentioned, you’d get way worse fps!
@davidlt
Күн бұрын
It's hard to believe that power consumption numbers from Intel CPUs. The gap is enormous.
@Frozoken
Күн бұрын
yes very hard to believe when my 13600k that is overclocked as much as humanly possible uses about 2.5x less power in significantly more cpu bound games where the pcores are all at 100%
@maynardburger
Күн бұрын
It shouldn't be hard to believe. It's behind a whole node generation, and it's being pushed way, way beyond any kind of efficiency sweetspot. You could likely drop like 70w on it and have it perform on par with 9700X.
@heatnup
Күн бұрын
who cares? Genuinely?
@Simon_Denmark
Күн бұрын
@@heatnup If you had energy prices that spike up to even 0,5€/kWh then you would start to care. Electricity doesn’t cost the same everywhere in the world. Less power also means less heat and noise. So yes people genuinely care.
@heatnup
Күн бұрын
@@Simon_Denmark I make that point because it isn’t relevant everywhere so it’s not a selling point for AMD everywhere.
@winj3r
Күн бұрын
If I can make one small recommendation. Could you also make an game average graph for all the games, for the 1% lows. As this metric is important to gauge smooth the game is running.
@odytrice
Күн бұрын
Yeah I think the issue with it is that the 1% lows will contain more noise, is most likely to end up with inaccurate values and is less likely to represent the experience across the entire game and more representative of that portion they chose to test Maybe a 5 or 10% lows average will be better? But I totally understand why he doesn’t have something like that all together
@johnnypopstar
Күн бұрын
You wouldn't want _just_ the 1% low figures themselves, as that's meaningless - you can only really evaluate the lows _relative_ to the average. So you'd need some way of incorporating how far below the average the 1% lows are, too. This gets tricky. You can't just do it as a plain percentage, because e.g. "15% lower than 60 fps" means a very different experience to "15% lower than 180 fps"; those might both be "15% lower" but they're far from the same thing. It's hard to display this much information concisely. To be more precise, you just _can't_ boil this type of information down to a single figure - you have to do what you have to do right now, take in all the data and jumble it around in your head to get a feel for it.
@odytrice
Күн бұрын
@@johnnypopstar You are right but Not exactly. 1% lows can have a standalone meaning. Think of it this way. 0% low is essentially minimum framerate. If you wanted to know the absolute worst performance of a GPU. The problem with it here is that even a single frame can completely tank the value measured and it doesn’t tell you anything about the “typical” experience On the flip side, your eyes tend to notice 1% lows than actual average frame rates
@johnnypopstar
Күн бұрын
@@odytrice Not so simple. If 1% is 70 and average is 80, that's great; if 1% is 70 and average is 140, that's terrible. The figure of 70 by itself tells you nothing.
@Tiasung
20 сағат бұрын
@@johnnypopstar Thats wrong. The figure of 70 by itself does tell you something: the actual fps.
@nicovolker86
Күн бұрын
The efficiency of the Zen 4 X3D in gaming is just mindblowing.
@paolo.cannizzaro
Күн бұрын
Intel beating AMD by 3% while using more than double the power. That's an insane loss
@Manakuski
Күн бұрын
There's a lot of people who would rather have a naturally aspirated V8 than a 4-cylinder turbo :) Kind of a similar situation here.
@effies671
Күн бұрын
"Intel" also has non-k 😮💨
@paolo.cannizzaro
Күн бұрын
@@Manakuski except this parallelism makes no sense. A NA V8 is beautiful to listen to and provides great throttle response. An intel 14k provides big fan noise and big electricity bills lol
@Dr.WhetFarts
Күн бұрын
If you look at application performance, Intel will be winning bigtime tho.
@ruslan_riazantsev
Күн бұрын
@@Manakuski I am sorry, but it seems to me your comparison doesn't fit the situation. NA V8 has far more advantages compared to smaller turbo engines (longevity and simplicity and all the derevatives which come from those), while Intel has no objective advantages other than a brand name. We can only hope it will change soon, and customers get more options to choose from.
@bioxbiox
Күн бұрын
In the office, we already have one 14700k destroyed from moderate daily usage. It will be covered by the warranty but the choice between the two is obvious for us.
@GSP-76
Күн бұрын
Im sorry but if an Intel CPU is considered "nerfed" at 125 watts of power, there's no point in getting one. Those ppwer usage numbers were absolutely abysmal. Intel CPUs need double the power ro have on par performance with AMD. I'm hoping Core 200 CPUs will be better but I highly doubt it, even though its a new architecture.
@TorreyCTX
Күн бұрын
bench mark a 9950x and tell me what the power usage difference is vs the FPS. Also this is intel's 2022 CPU offering what do you expect
@xRaptorScreamx
Күн бұрын
@@TorreyCTX my 7800x3D uses 20-30W in games (tarkov, bf2042 )at 1440p and you can also see the 9950x right in those benchmarks, it's nowhere near 14700k
@someperson1829
Күн бұрын
Exactly why everybody should buy NVidia GPUs, they're also considerably more power efficient. Or that applies only to CPUs? lol
@Sini420
Күн бұрын
@@TorreyCTX Bro there is no reason to defend Intel on this.. its widely known and excepted that Intels is using way to much power, especially on the high end.. and saying its a 2022 offering makes no sence because AMD's 2022 offering also uses allot less power
@manusiaorang2842
Күн бұрын
@@someperson1829i heard battlemage is gonna be peak efficiency, but battlemage never lol
@someguy4849
Күн бұрын
I bought my 7800X3D back in may form $290 on Amazon, it has almost double it's price now.
@jeffreypaul9428
Күн бұрын
Yep supply and demand. Glad I'm not building right now.
@ellsworth1956
Күн бұрын
wait until the 9800X3D is released. the 7800X3D prices should drop again if they are not completely sold out.
@SB-mr2nk
Күн бұрын
Bro I picked that thing up the first month it was out. Never had such a great CPU buy before. Maybe the old core 2 duos.
@Mondo_Mike25
15 сағат бұрын
Yah its $500+ right now. Horrible value. Spend half the price and get either the 7700x or 13600k.
@bera2234
Күн бұрын
Darn it Balin...
@stuchatterton6550
Күн бұрын
Nice day for fishin', ain't it
@williamwoosleyiv6150
Күн бұрын
@@stuchatterton6550huh huu!
@TheSlowDude
Күн бұрын
That was a harsh moment for an Aussie
@1SaG
Күн бұрын
EDIT: Are you using those older recommended settings where they still gave an "Extreme" profile for the i7s? (253/253/400A)? On that newer chart of theirs (post 13/14th gen SNAFU), they don't even have an "Extreme" profile for the i7s, only for the i9s. And on there, "Performance" (for i7s) = 253/253/307A. Which seems to limit my 14700KF to 200W power-draw - only when I up ICCmax to 360A or so will the CPU hit 250W.
@worthywizard
Күн бұрын
7800x3D is up almost 100 euro in my country, this is insane
@nipa5961
Күн бұрын
Same here, sadly. Demand is just too high, it's out of stock most of the time.
@andersjjensen
Күн бұрын
AMD probably stopped production. TSMC does the vertical bonding for AMD, and AMD is the only customer of the technology, so it's not like TSMC has invested in a gigantic facility. We still don't have credible rumors on when the 8800X3D will launch, but I have a feeling that lackluster Zen 5 sales might push it a bit out, as AMD bins the absolute bejesus out of their chiplets (absolute best for Epyc, next best for Threadripper, next best for X3D parts, etc) so they need wafer volume to make the X3D parts.
@VoldoronGaming
Күн бұрын
Been waiting for this video. Thanks Steve! I see you’re standing again. Zen 5 must really stress you out 😅
@alvinyeung9741
Күн бұрын
in terms of power usage, 7800x3d is still the king of gaming cpu, bravo
@defectiveclone8450
Күн бұрын
I hope when some good value products come out Steve can go back to sitting down.
@tcg2717
Күн бұрын
He's never going to sit down ever again lol.
@ChinchillaBONK
Күн бұрын
tbh, nobody are buying these for gaming. If you are a shrewd buyer specifically for gaming, you would wait for 9800x3d or even the 9700x3d or 9600x3d if you are on a budget but want a newer gaming CPU. and the largest factor to improve your rig's gaming performance is your GPU. So all things considered, unless your gaming rig is dead or dying, you would never even consider these non-x3d chips close to the launch day in the first place. Just wait for Black Friday or Xmas sales. I never buy any tech items outside these dates. just ignore the noise in the meantime.
@MrFatpenguin
Күн бұрын
solid advice
@maynardburger
Күн бұрын
I cannot in my right mind understand where this idea that gamers are only buying $400+ CPU's nowadays. smh The normal, non-Vcache CPU's are still entirely viable and good for gaming.
@jermygod
Күн бұрын
true. in my region the top 2 most popular processor is 7800x3d and immediately after it - budget 7500f (that will be possible to upgrade in 3-5 years to 9800x3d or 9700x3d(or 10000) for cheap'ish) top3 is i5-12400F, top4 5700X3D, top5 7950X3D. first 9000 cpu is top12 9950X
@chaddesrosiers1107
Күн бұрын
I agree with you in theory... just know the pool of "I also game" customers is much larger then the "I only game" customer. Yes many people that buy this CPU will be doing some gaming on it... if you really "only game" then ya x3d or bust.
@kevinerbs2778
Күн бұрын
9000 series 3D won't be out till Next year in 2025.
@Speak_Out_and_Remove_All_Doubt
Күн бұрын
Thanks for your hard work Steve.
@jadamsnz
Күн бұрын
It’s great to see MSFS back in the results. Thank you and long may it last.
@UnluckyDomino
Күн бұрын
Now theres a new AGESA that reduces inter core latency by 58%. New round of reviews soon?
@florianoprescu2171
Күн бұрын
LOL, back to testing i guess. Thanks Steve!
@-eMpTy-
Күн бұрын
Back to you Steve!
@aberkae
Күн бұрын
No pressure 😂!
@Hardware1906
Күн бұрын
Ryzen 7 9700x only has 1 CCD lmao
@Simon_Denmark
Күн бұрын
@@Hardware1906And? He meant the 9900X and 9950X reviews.
@greggmacdonald9644
Күн бұрын
A note for those who saw "Microsoft Flight Simulator 2024" at 4:08 and are wondering if there's a new version... well, there is, but it doesn't get released until November. What he tested was MSFS 2020, so ignore what's labeled there.
@auritro3903
Күн бұрын
I was waiting for this, thanks Steve. Let's wait to see if Arrow Lake can fix this massive power consumption issue with the 14700K while almost improving on performance(and also stability of course).
@thalo215
Күн бұрын
Doubtful. Latest leaks indicate the I-9 will have a extreme profile of 295w. It is going to get worse.
@melexxa
Күн бұрын
The price hike of 7800x3d is so dumb, just two months ago it could be had for under $320
@PowellCat745
Күн бұрын
I mean a lot of people bought it after Zen 5’s launch it’s now out of stock almost everywhere. Of course retailers will jack up the prices when the demand is so high.
@ms3862
Күн бұрын
Agesa 1202 just came out and it fixes the high core to core latency issue for zen5. Steve has to now redo all these benchmarks, have fun Steve you'll need the redbull!!
@demomanca
Күн бұрын
I think that was for inter CCX latencies only, so only impacting the 9900x and 9950x
@ThePgR777
Күн бұрын
9700X have 1 CCD
@manoftherainshorts9075
Күн бұрын
Lisa Su have mercy on his soul...
@TheTaxxor
Күн бұрын
It fixes the inter CCX latencies for the dual chiplet SKUs and also only does so in synthetic benchmarks that only measure these latencies. The way these benchmarks work just didn't work well with the changes to core parking in Zen5, it doesn't have any meaning for real world applications
@TorreyCTX
Күн бұрын
This cope isnt coping as this isnt an issue for this cpu
@raptor6600gt
Күн бұрын
The AGESA BIOS update couldn't come at a better time for Steve. Now he gets to retest everything again and again and again....
@PahaLukki
Күн бұрын
Hahahaha.. this zen5 release is so much reviewer work for +6.3% fps or something. 😂
@marshallb5210
Күн бұрын
that's only to address inter-ccd latency for 12/16 core sku's? that won't matter for games
@Psi-Storm
Күн бұрын
I still do not understand why you would not use the 105W mode on AMD. In the old video you said PBO would bring around 1,5-2% performance, while maybe using 10-20W more in gaming loads. The 14700K is just 3% in front on average while using almost 100W more with the extreme preset.
@sirmonkey1985
Күн бұрын
out of box testing.. how many times do they have to explain this?
@dominikwenzke8693
Күн бұрын
@@sirmonkey1985 If Intel Extreme Profile and 7200 MHz RAM is out of the box, then AMD PBO and 6200 MHz should be too...
@LukewarmEnthusiast
Күн бұрын
They tested 105W with PBO during the launch review and found miniscule gains in gaming. But of course that was with 23H2.
@jojobetzler3732
Күн бұрын
@@dominikwenzke8693 I don´t think a "warranty voiding setting" should be out of the box or used in third party review benchmarks.
@cademckenna863
Күн бұрын
@@jojobetzler3732 it doesn't void warrently LMFAO
@natel7382
10 сағат бұрын
I was going to get a 7800x3d until I found out there is a microcenter is 47 mins away, 7600x3d bundle here we come! Friday baby! I can't wait!!!!
@cizzymac
Күн бұрын
The 14700k is 3% faster while drawing double the amount of power? Intel needs to get it together.
@rustler08
Күн бұрын
3% slower and like half the power. That is definitely a W for the Ryzen.
@artemisDev
Күн бұрын
and ~40$ cheaper as well still not a good value overall tho
@darreno1450
Күн бұрын
@@artemisDev If gaming is the only use case.
@jimmer411
Күн бұрын
3% slower on gaming. Way behind in productivity. I'm amazed people are surprised that an 8 core CPU uses less power than a 20 core CPU. When you consider that, the Intel chips are surprisingly efficient.
@andersjjensen
Күн бұрын
@@jimmer411 The thing just is that in the vast majority of games the e-cores sit either completely idle or very close to idle, so it's the 8 p-cores, the cache and the memory controller sucking down all that juice. Several outlets have shown that simply disabling the e-cores in BIOS only change the power consumption and performance by single digit percent in gaming. So no, the Intel chips are not "surprisingly efficient. Especially not when you compare to the 7950X3D or 7950X that go toe to toe with the 14900k in productivity at 40-65% the powerdraw depending on the workload.
@AiVirtualBot
Күн бұрын
so new amd procesor loosing to a 2 year old 14700 is W for you XD
@tomcleaveland4325
Күн бұрын
Great stuff. Currently looking to upgrade a 17yo Core2 Duo system and I go back and forth between Zen4 and Zen5.
@pf100andahalf
Күн бұрын
The core 2's certainly aged well.
@tomcleaveland4325
Күн бұрын
@@pf100andahalf Mine absolutely did. It runs Windows 10 and given that I don't play lots of demanding games performance has been perfectly fine. I've been thinking that when I upgrade I'll drop Windows 98 on the old system so that I can still use my parallel port-based device programmer. :-D
@wawaweewa9159
Күн бұрын
Get 7600x3d if you can
@danipubg4946
Күн бұрын
@@tomcleaveland4325 I would suggest waiting for the zen5x3d chips.
@---GOD---
Күн бұрын
Even a 7600 non-X would feel like a beast of a chip coming from a nearly two decade old dual core chip.
@KimBoKastekniv47
Күн бұрын
Instead of building another shed or relaxing, Steve had to do 10+ videos looking for that "hidden" Zen 5 performance AMD promised.
@danielvannuland2681
Күн бұрын
Are you mad cause your intel cpu is heating up your room? Even if the 14700k was 25% better in benchmarks, it doesnt mean anything if they still use 2x the wattage 😅😂😅 or are you mad cause intels stock is falling faster than amds has grown? 😂
@ivangerginov5648
Күн бұрын
@@danielvannuland2681 Nobody is mad but you dude. Calm down.
@danielvannuland2681
Күн бұрын
@@ivangerginov5648 i have smileys and lols, and im the mad one lolol... Look at your super serious comment. Another intel madboi i see. Dont let all those watts go to your head my brother. 😂🫡
@KimBoKastekniv47
22 сағат бұрын
@@danielvannuland2681 I didn't know intel made the Ryzen 7 7700, cause it's not heating up any rooms and I love it. Forgot to take your pills today?
@jakobschneider558
9 сағат бұрын
@@danielvannuland2681 AMD Fanboy please leave. You only hurt your lovely brand and drag the AMD users credibility down. (I'm on 7800x3d and rx 6700xt btw., before you try to call me anything)
@James-dc6ft
Күн бұрын
I wish that one day Steve is so happy with a product launch and review process he sleeps in the intro.
@BrophyMichael
Күн бұрын
Fantastic Seinfeld reference editor!! ! ( Is it Balen? Balan ? Bailin? Bailen?) HUB should really start putting production credits in the description = you guys ARE professional hacks after all aren't you (?)
@shaunlunney7551
Күн бұрын
Intel gobbling twice the power for +3%!!! performance...I know which one im buying.
@sausageskin
23 сағат бұрын
14700K consumes 218W? What the actual pistachios?!!!
@thalo215
Күн бұрын
Let's play devil's advocate for a moment: AMD tested 9000 series against Intel at the 125w limit since power wise that is the more direct comparison right? Why not also test at this same power to see if their numbers were accurate? We all bemoan Intel's decision to jack power to an unsustainable useage level. Even if Intel wins the benchmark numbers game, power consumption is still a massive problem and AMD will win that every time.
@Kiyuja
Күн бұрын
This honestly just makes me curious for Intel's new gen coming "soon". Der8auer said his engineering samples really excited him and Zen5's lukewarm launch could be a great chance for Intel to change things up for the first time in like 4 years. We still wont get AVX-512 tho :/
@richard-davies
Күн бұрын
Feel sorry for the reviewers testing the 9000 series, first the initial review, then reviewed again with the Windows 11 patch and now it will have to be tested all over again with the core latency BIOS patch. Great job AMD, if you only waited a month or two and put a bit more polish in you could have avoided all of this crap 😄
@mattzun6779
Күн бұрын
That boost to 7700X performance in 24H2 is nice
@BrandonMeyer1641
Күн бұрын
9700x is ok. Certainly better than the 14000k in terms of performance per watt.
@garyb7193
Күн бұрын
True, with the launch of the x3D variances to claim their rightful place on top of gaming, along with a much-needed price reduction, the 9700x will be value king and darling of the industry. At the right entry-level price, this chip's a winner.
@BrandonMeyer1641
Күн бұрын
@@garyb7193 agreed no denying amd fumbled on launch and pricing.
@JFinns
16 сағат бұрын
AMD is likely scrambling to release the 9800X3D which should have 3x the L3$ and 2x the TDP
@Rexolaboy
Күн бұрын
with all of the graphs showing the 9700x edging the 14700k....I'm surprised it lasted to the end 😉
@TheWayOfTheHeart
Күн бұрын
AMD Wins! Imagine having a car being 3% faster, while consuming more than twice the amount of fuel. Ridiculous… The choice is obvious. And please include the price of a motherboard capable of 250W in your formula.
@ellsworth1956
Күн бұрын
and the cooler you will need!
@SebaztienHawke-ci5hm
17 сағат бұрын
As Vin Diesel says: “winning’s winning, it doesn’t matter if it is by an inch or a mile” 😂
@Akun-uv5qi
Күн бұрын
I just bought 9700x, using Gigabyte B650's one-click 105w TDP function, greatly improved performance, HWiNFO monitoring, 3.72~5.54GHz, core VIDs 0.9V~1.37V, CPU Power 38W~105W, temperature 44°C~82°C (HyperFlow ARGB 360) my 3DMark time spy \ Steel Nomad DX12 \ (9700X+4070 Gigabyte Gaming oc ) are all NO.1 (^.^)YA~
@TheCivicsiep3
Күн бұрын
The fact that zen 5 has legitimate single core performance increase without hardly any gaming performance increase is bizarre
@throwaway6478
Күн бұрын
Not really. There are thousands of workloads that aren't games.
@HP4L16
Күн бұрын
Gaming is a terrible CPU test, it's too memory sensitive so it's limited by cache and RAM speed and latency. The are only a few games that are CPU limited, and most of them are RTS.
@kevinerbs2778
Күн бұрын
@@HP4L16 you forgot to mention how most games are GPU bottlenecked at 1080P now too.
@HP4L16
Күн бұрын
@@kevinerbs2778 That's just sad, it feels like we are moving backwards. Upscaling caused all of this, the lazy devs (not all of them are lazy) use it as a crutch instead of properly optimizing their game, I rather not play those games, they don't deserve our money.
@kevinerbs2778
Күн бұрын
@@HP4L16 well developers could always put in mGPU. Except the agurment is always oh no one uses it and everyone uses a rtx 3060 ti or a 4060 ti, which is usually based off of steam survey which is only one pc gaming platform. I think using mGPU type games would be much better to compare cpus. Expect audeinces only now care about games that "everyone is playing" even if its a crapp coded or rushed out, & over hyped game. There around 10 mGPU games that will show differences for cpus by full removing thw gpu bottlwneck completelty even at 4k its just reviewers & audenices don't care because they're either old games or games that by their standards "no one is playing". Last no one is going to buy 2 gpus is their last aguement bevause of stuttering. Meanwhile many games have shader stuttering or treveral stuttering or just rabdom microatuttering or just plain stuttering on aingls gpu setups. Just a last note there ia mGPu setup of two rtx 4090 running cherynnolbite benchmark in 4k on tehcpowerup from the new nvidia 566 driver. It also has a 96 core epyc cpu. Gains are insane
@GrumpyWolfTech
Күн бұрын
Recently picked up a 7700x on amazon for $220 on prime day for my server I use for plex and some video editing. Been VERY happy with it especially for the price.
@peteradshead2383
Күн бұрын
So the Core i7-14700K is faster than the Ryzen 7 9700X on some games for the year until it dies.
@Mike80528
Күн бұрын
I don't even run Win11, but HUB gets my views out of curiosity and out of respect for the effort Steve puts into these tests.
@influencija
Күн бұрын
5800x is now at 150$ which makes it an amazing deal!
@JFinns
16 сағат бұрын
Yea but it's 4 years old, better to pay the $180 and get a 5700X3D.
@influencija
14 сағат бұрын
@@JFinns Better for games, worse for literally everything else.
@---GOD---
Күн бұрын
No sponsorship deal for a channel this big and this important to the PC & tech community is INSANE!!!
@bigdaz7272
Күн бұрын
I imagine i am not the only one but would have loved to see the 7800x3d and 7600x3d parts alongside to see what kind of a bump with the latest Windows update they are getting in comparison?
@AvroBellow
13 сағат бұрын
So, AMD did exaggerate their claims (as expected) but at least it's within margin of error with 24H2. Who knows, if 100 games were tested, it might be exactly the same or it might be worse. There's no way to be 100% accurate with tests like these because of the number of variables involved. However, Steve Walton is Steve Walton and he will always do a fantastic job of benchmarking a huge number of games to show us results that are as close to the truth as possible. The power draw of the Intel CPU is just insane. I could run TWO R7-9700X CPUs and still be using less juice than a single i7-14700K. This makes the power draw gap between Radeon and GeForce seem almost insignificant. It's more akin to the power draw gap between GeForce and Arc. I swear, I sometimes wonder if Steve even sleeps or if he just looks to the Southern Cross for inspiration to stay awake every night. 😁
@yell9845
Күн бұрын
Agesa 1202 fixes the latency problems on Ryzen 9000 back to you Steve , lmao they sure are keeping you busy 😂
@nofreenamestoreg
Күн бұрын
Yeah, came to see this, but F33b bios has AMD AGESA 1.2.0.1a :(
@jaylapointe1654
Күн бұрын
Doesn't matter for single CCD CPUs. Also preliminary testing shows no gain for gaming.
@Kmcornell23
Күн бұрын
The power draw difference is insane. Could you imagine how many more people would recommend the 9700x if they had priced it at like $279? It would be flying off the shelves right now.
@maynardburger
Күн бұрын
The problem with Zen 5 is that it doesn't bring much in the way of performance over Zen 4. Pricing wont really fix that, and wont get us back a whole generation of lost potential performance progress. We now have to wait another two years for AMD to offer something that will hopefully be a lot better.
@andersjjensen
Күн бұрын
@@maynardburger That may or may not be the case. Zen 5 was back-ported to 4nm because 3nm was facing delays and yield issues. However, AMD continued Zen 5c on 3nm, which the same architecture, but with smaller caches and more densely packed logic. If AMD want's to do a mid-cycle refresh of Zen 5 they basically have everything at their disposal to do "Zen 5+" on 3nm without major investment.
@GODzilla_FH
Күн бұрын
I just checked. The BIOS F33B contains the AMD 1.2.0.1a, but only the next AGESA (1.2.0.2) is said to fix the inter-CCD latency. So you can start testing again...again....again. You guys are so unlucky omg! xD I suggest waiting...a little. ^^
@rENEGADE666JEDI
Күн бұрын
I like seeing the progress of developers throughout the entire product life cycle.
@Lukas_Pailiv
Күн бұрын
yes, but its atleast content they can bring to an pretty dull market situation right now
@ThePgR777
Күн бұрын
9700X have 1 CCD, thats for 9900X and 9950X
@pauljanssen5331
Күн бұрын
What Inter-CCD latency has to do with 9700X ?
@mmadevgame
Күн бұрын
I would say they are lucky. More content, more views
@anantmishra6783
Күн бұрын
Intel is about 5% faster but requires 100% more power to do it. fack that 5% bro! wtf!!!!
@eastside6273
Күн бұрын
Actually, 3%, but yeah, that's the same sentiment I got out of the video. Which is a bit disjointed from the results. I guess there's no such thing as margin of error anymore.
@joshgts9675
Күн бұрын
Always preface these comparisons with the price otherwise potential buyers are blind to the performance per dollar.
@ronjatter
Күн бұрын
No
@GSP-76
Күн бұрын
Yeah, the 14700k is a $400 CPU vs $330 for the 9700x. Not only that but the 14700k literally sucks down double or more power to give you less than a 5% advantage in performance.
@emptyshirt
Күн бұрын
That is the easiest detail for the buyer to find and the most likely to vary with time and location. Price per performance will be the first part of a video like this to become outdated, so why bother?
@joshgts9675
Күн бұрын
@@emptyshirtWhy make justifications not to include it? Simply put the USD vs USD at the price at the start of the video. We can then get a rough idea of what to expect.
@heatnup
Күн бұрын
@@GSP-76AMD motherboards are more expensive. Unless you are already bought in to the AM5 platform then it’s not a better deal.
@carltercak4742
13 сағат бұрын
If 14700 would be a problem free (100watts less hungry and no crappy design) we can call it a good processor.
@garyb7193
Күн бұрын
So basically, using faster, costlier ram and consuming double the power is crucial for Intel 14700k to take 3% avg lead over AMD's $50 cheaper, general purpose (non x3d variant) CPU.
@federicocatelli8785
Күн бұрын
Something to be proud😉
@heatnup
Күн бұрын
6000MHz 32gb EXPO kit $88.99 720032gb MHz XMP kit $110 Only a $21 difference and the 7200mhz kit is faster. The 7200mhz kit is a better deal and if $21 is too much of a difference for you then just skip McDonald’s for a couple days and eat affordably and healthily.
@garyb7193
Күн бұрын
@@heatnup That's one. How about the other two? And that's not even including a possible fourth - 9700x able to get by with smaller, cheaper power supply or be utilized in mini itx case builds. Greater than a mere $21 for maybe 3% diff in performance. Whatever.
@heatnup
Күн бұрын
@@garyb7193 Those extra costs are inherent to itx builds not Intel.
@heatnup
Күн бұрын
@@garyb7193 It costs a lot more to make an AMD itx build than a ATX build too.
@ProVishGaming
Күн бұрын
Don’t even get a 14700k. Get a 13700k, undervolt and lock cores. You will have a much better experience and have up to 80% more performance in production loads for $60 less. There is absolutely 0 reason to spend money on an objectively worse CPU.
@p_mouse8676
Күн бұрын
So if we actually want to compare apples with apples, we just have to overclock the snot out of AMD to get equal power consumption? It goes to show how bad the Intel CPU in sense of optimization.
@leocheung2547
Күн бұрын
I think either Steve here or Steve from GN mentioned that AMD locks down motherboard configurations pretty tightly, unlike Intel who just rubbed stamps all mobos. There isn't much more performance to be had even at elevated power levels with PBO on, as they've tested before.
@p_mouse8676
Күн бұрын
@@leocheung2547 interesting, because it's not quite a fair comparison at this point. I guess we could also just downclock the Intel CPU instead and see how that compares with the same power usage.
@GSP-76
Күн бұрын
@@p_mouse8676at the same power, the Intel CPU loses...and yes, Intel CPU scale horribly when it comes to performance. These benchmarking videos really need disclaimers. Intel isn't advertising the 14700k to be a 200w CPU. It's disingenuous at the least.
@p_mouse8676
Күн бұрын
@@GSP-76 right. It's a bit like comparing cars. Saying that one goes faster, but not taking the engine into consideration.
@Lightitupp1
Күн бұрын
@@p_mouse8676I think fuel consumption would be a far better comparison.
@Zzzlol94
Күн бұрын
Never has it been better to have been an early adopter of a PC component with the 7800X3D.
@ruckus7554
Күн бұрын
Every review site needs to just call out Microsoft for historically nerfing AMD. I'm putting my 7800X3D build together today and I'm dual booting Linux. It is painfully clear what Microsoft is doing. I remember when Kyle, Tom, and Anand called out intel when they released the 1.1 Ghz Pentium. Grow a pair. EDIT: Grow a bigger pair...
@bumblebeebat-te5xv
Күн бұрын
Useful data. The stability concerns you pointed to relating to 13/14th Gen Intel are indeed an unresolved question, in fact I had to RMA my 13700K a week ago; the outlet confirmed it was dead and replaced it with a 14700K because that was all that was available.
@detroid89
5 сағат бұрын
You'll be back there very soon I'm afraid. 😂
@bumblebeebat-te5xv
Сағат бұрын
Hope not!
@jerrywatson1958
Күн бұрын
The day after you benchmarked the 9700X on release. I went to Micro Center and bought the 7800X3D bundle, B650-E Wifi (Asus), 32GB DDR5 6000MT for $499+TAX. It is a upgrade from my AM4 5800X3D. It is my gaming pc. Still rocking my Sapphire Toxic 6900XT. I am getting 63fps in Warhammer 40K 2 @1440p high. It took me an hour to play thru the 1st area. The game is not easy, but played flawlessly in game. The visuals were crisp compared to the YT videos of game play I've see from other content creators. But my go to game is still The Division 2. I wish you would bring it back to your test suite. The visuals continue to rival current games w/RT. It's the textures and the proper application of shadows I think that make it look so good.
@1MuchButteR1
Күн бұрын
14:14 Microcenter came through for me. Had a chill 1 hour drive for my 7800x3D.
@JFinns
16 сағат бұрын
Amazon came through for me on 7800X3D, no drive, $350 USD during the summer. If I wanted one now I'd just wait since AMD is probably scrambling to get a 9800X3D out the door.
@1MuchButteR1
2 сағат бұрын
@@JFinns Well as long as I'm on AM5 for the next 3 years doesent really matter. I like that the platfrom has years of support coming.
@AlexHusTech
Күн бұрын
*AMD aren't silly, they knew if they released the 9800x3D chip no one will buy the 7800x3D without a big discount, so they are holding back while stock clears, that said the price has increased!*
@Chrissy717
Күн бұрын
You do realize that there's a possibility that the 9800x3D might perform on par with the 7800x3D, making it completely worthless?
@mclarenf1gtr99
Күн бұрын
Good for AMD isn't it...
@AlexHusTech
Күн бұрын
@@Chrissy717 Yes I realise that which is why they probably haven't released it yet.
@Dr.WhetFarts
Күн бұрын
@@Chrissy717 9800X3D will beat 7800X3D by 10-15% due to higher clock speeds and will be unlocked for OC for further gain. 9800X3D is absolutely not going to perform on par with 7800X3D. 7800X3D is great, I have gone, but the clockspeed is pretty low and why application performance is mediocre, meaning it loses to 7700X outside of gaming in everything and 7700X can even be overclocked for more performance while 7800X3D is locked down completely due to sensitive 3D cache, that is going to be LESS sensitive on 9000X3D.
@TexasAgg2003
Күн бұрын
wonderful breakdown! Thanks for keeping everyone up to date with all the shenanigans!
@TheAcadianGuy
Күн бұрын
I'm amazed that an 8 cores keep up with a 20 cores.
@miraveilyt
Күн бұрын
I believe 14700k only has 8 powerful cores and the rest is efficient a.k.a slower cores, so in games/demanding tasks it's still a battle between two 8 core processors
@Frozoken
Күн бұрын
are u also amazed how 8 keep up with 16 in amds own product stack? It's almost like the extra 8/12 aren't meant for gaming. Mfs will do anything but stop glazing AMD smh
@Frozoken
Күн бұрын
@miraveilyt Not to mention the 9950x literally gets the same performance with double the cores yet i don't see OP's amazement there
@MrFatpenguin
Күн бұрын
@@miraveilyt it's funny they had the courage to call it efficiency cores 😅
@pino_de_vogel
Күн бұрын
only 8 of thoise cores are usdull in gaming.
@MMOPC78
Күн бұрын
When I built my first AM5 system: I chose the 7700X due to using mixed work loads. Now with the 7800X3D supply problem: I feel almost vindicated for using a non top of the line gaming CPU. Having said that: my 7700X doesn't back down from anything I've thrown at it and the only lag or jitters I've experienced were due to network connectivity and not the actual CPU.
@John_Unpacked
Күн бұрын
I miss Windows 7.
@craiganderson6126
Күн бұрын
i miss Windows ME
@ttcustompcs
Күн бұрын
Glorious. I have been waiting.
@hansmaker1236
Күн бұрын
And they wonder y win11 is not so favorite anymore…
@eclxys
Күн бұрын
it never was
@OdiumDei2
Күн бұрын
Huge thanks for including the power consumption! While data points like TDP and PL1=PL2=253Watts are easy to find, the ACTUAL power draw while gaming often is not.
@vincentvega3093
Күн бұрын
Windows 10 butter
@SWEJmeister
Күн бұрын
Poor Steve has been standing for weeks now.
@razoo911
Күн бұрын
did you disable core isolation on windows 11? because don't seems so and impact a lot more performance on zen 5 up to 24% compared to 8% on intel...you can see test on Tech YES City channel and he have a very different numbers in games like in cyberpunk 250fps on 9700x, 230fps on 14700kf
@Hardwareunboxed
20 сағат бұрын
Has nothing to do with VBS, also everyone has know about this for years. Scaling on W10 and W11 with the patch should be much the same: kzitem.info/news/bejne/yrCnq46jo4aXqII
@razoo911
20 сағат бұрын
@@Hardwareunboxed so did you test it with memory integrity on or off?
@razoo911
19 сағат бұрын
@@Hardwareunboxed so did you test it with memory integrity on or off? i think more patch are needed and in Tech YES City test windows 10 it's still a lot faster than win 11 (patched or not) compared to your test i would like to know why
@NickVu1
Күн бұрын
I cant stop but thinking that the New benchmarks tshirt is a jab at that poor technician in LTT Labs :)
@vertex_pixel
Күн бұрын
Can you do a test between windows 10 and 11? as it seems Windows 11 is made for intel and is gimping ryzen 7000 and 9000
@keldon1137
Күн бұрын
Are u purposefully ignoring the fact that new windows update alco increased intel performance in some games up to 30% or just blinded by some weird fanboyism?
@nossy232323
Күн бұрын
@@keldon1137 Are u purposefully ignoring the fact that the new windows update increased intel performance much less than the AMD CPU's, in fact in most games it did not get a performance boost at all while the AMD CPU's did?
@keldon1137
Күн бұрын
@@nossy232323 Different architectures will be affected differently, theres nothing weird about that. Especially considering that some background load (which was one of the issues with 23h2) would be handled by ecores on Intel, which AMD dosent have, its 20 cores vs 8 ecores. Its way different than 'win 11 is being made for intel while gimping amd' which clearly sounds and reads as tinfoil theory suggesting malicious behaviour/intent.
@keldon1137
Күн бұрын
@@nossy232323 Different architectures will be affected differently, theres nothing weird about that. Especially considering that some background load (which was one of the issues with 23h2) would be handled by ecores on Intel, which AMD dosent have, its 20 cores vs 8 ecores. Its way different than 'win 11 is being made for intel while gimping amd' which clearly sounds and reads as tinfoil theory suggesting malicious behaviour/intent.
@nossy232323
Күн бұрын
@@keldon1137 You can't just negate the fact that the performance difference with the update is abnormally large for AMD CPU's. I'm old enough to remember how Microsoft nerfed the performance of Cyrix CPUs by disabling the cache of the CPUs in Windows. It was not for nothing people called it a Wintel platform.
@brzroman
Күн бұрын
7800x3d saw price increase of 174$ in my country, august to mid sept.
@nipa5961
Күн бұрын
It's also out of stock most of the time in my area. AMD simply can't produce enough of them right now.
@Games_and_Tech
Күн бұрын
Why use the intel extreme profile when it is killing intel CPUs?
@KnightCDXX
Күн бұрын
As someone who built a pc around a 7700X last month, while being unaware that AMD had release the 9000 series, this makes me extremely happy.
@cryptosurfer3255
Күн бұрын
Test with Windows 10 much better performance 👌
@m.m.3753
Күн бұрын
Tried on Weekend and yes W10 still faster. Also tried Ghost Spectre W10 2h22. Awesome. Also Latency feels so good, fast Response over W11. My System is OC/UV where it goes to max. 4090 RTX, 5800x3D, 64 GB DDR4 3600 CL15. Nvme pcie 4.0 also in.
@JFinns
Күн бұрын
Win11 24H2 smokes it. Win10 is an ancient turd of an OS at this point.
@m.m.3753
Күн бұрын
@@JFinnsive tested Last week about 4-5 Windows 11 and 10 Versions. 10 allways won. So what are you talking about.😊
@akaperfectman
Күн бұрын
Steve’s standing because there’s no ad spot. 😢
@Jzwiz
Күн бұрын
Goooood morning my fellow americanadianexicans. Wonder if microsoft would ever do a windows light (could call it xboxos) for gaming or if all the bloat and junk makes them too much money
@sammorrow7007
Күн бұрын
9700x seems to be a winner nearly the same performance against its rival for a lot less power used, well at least here in the UK and high energy prices which are going up by another 10% soon
@vespa7961
Күн бұрын
Seems the issue is with W11 vs W10 as some people are reporting MUCH higher numbers with W10... may be worth testing. If you get time.
@MorganReidguitar
Күн бұрын
Already done it mate.
@Spentalei
Күн бұрын
Check the previous vid. W11 with all the fixes is generally ahead of W10.
@MrSmitheroons
5 сағат бұрын
Thank you for all the hard work you do keeping the benchmarking current and explaining it thoroughly. With review content of this quality, the consumers are pretty much fully informed within hours of a product launch, and can stay up to date easily when there's new developments. I don't think the manufacturers can get away with much with the PC hobbyist crowd these days. Reviewers are an absolutely huge part of that.
@Arnout1990
Күн бұрын
Why suddenly recommend the 7700x instead of 7700 non-x after having made *such* a big deal about it's (and the 9700x's) 'inefficiency' compared to the 7700 non-x in your 9600x review video, for only a 'small' performance difference? Wouldn't logic dictate you'd recommend the 7700 non-x then, per the same arguments you mentioned there? Or were those arguments made only to fit the narrative you were trying to paint on Zen 5's 'bad efficiency'? ;) [Edit: and no it doesn't cost more, see below.] Edit: It doesn't cost more. Even in Australia, the boxed 7700 non-x (so with Wraith cooler) is 10-20$ cheaper than a barebone 7700x without Wraith. In some countries the Boxed 7700 non-x is about 10 bucks more than the barebone 7700x, which his maybe what you're alluding to. Not exactly a fair comparison. The 7700 non-x Tray versions (without Wraith) are easily 50$ cheaper than its 7700x counterpart depending on where you live.
@Hardwareunboxed
Күн бұрын
Non X costs more now mate.
@darkkingastos4369
Күн бұрын
@@Hardwareunboxed Wow the CPU market is weird
@raawesome3851
Күн бұрын
@@Hardwareunboxedngl, that's pretty stupid how the non X is cheaper. But I digress
@Arnout1990
Күн бұрын
@@Hardwareunboxed Except it doesn't mate. I checked the two biggest Australian PC-parts stores, and the 7700 non-x comes *with* Wraith cooler and still is 10-20$ cheaper. 7700x comes without cooler. I'll refrain from posting the links this time, as I suspect that's why my comment was deleted just now.. Depending on your location, find a 7700 non-x Tray version without cooler (just like the 7700x you're comparing to) and you'll easily find them 50$ cheaper than the 7700x.
@someperson1829
Күн бұрын
@@Arnout1990 The sound of salty tears of an AMD fanboy. I bet you're also one of those who put the whole responsibility on Microsoft for bad performance, while it was always up to AMD to fix it. "AMD is never wrong! Praise AMD, like a true believer!".
@titan1983x
17 сағат бұрын
Noticed Steve was saying in the conclusion that 7800X3D has been harder to come by, do we know if this a supply issue in the sense that less are being made? If so, this might be an indicator that they are gearing up for the 9000X3Ds launch.
@Deeptesh97
Күн бұрын
14700K multicore performance is monstrous compared to the 8 core 9700X.
@nipa5961
Күн бұрын
So are power consumption and crashes.
@andersjjensen
Күн бұрын
It doesn't matter if it can make me coffee and fetch me my slippers in this context. This was a pure gaming review, which means the target audience, for the advice given, are people who purely game. I happen to need multi threaded performance more than gaming performance myself (software developer who's only occasionally gaming) but I understand that I'm not the target audience, and I understand that I don't need to pester every gamer with my BuT i HaVe OtHeR nEeDs bovine manure in the comment section of every piece of content produced for them.
@JFinns
16 сағат бұрын
Multicore performance for what task? 7800X3D keeps up with it on most benchmarks, Office, Photoshop, etc. and destroys it gaming. All the cinebench accelerator/E-cores do is waste power.
@dwarfcow
7 сағат бұрын
I mean, when the 14700k becomes a brick in about a year, the ryzen 9700x will be infinite% faster 🫠
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