I like 40 because it means I get to spend less money on cards.
@zeldadevideos
3 жыл бұрын
Sometimes the expensive part is the xtra deck
@ShaDusK
2 жыл бұрын
Hahahaha
@ThatsSoGiorgio
6 ай бұрын
Then you can spend that money on an expensive play mat and dice
@curtisw0234
2 жыл бұрын
40 is optimal for drawing. 60 is optimal for searching (assuming this increases your flexibility) however, 60 is not optimal for drawing the searchers. upstart goblin is not a free deck thin, not only do you have to give your opponent 1000 life points BUT it doesn't replace itself UNTIL you activate it AND it activates successfully. if you draw a hand trap you can activate it going second, if you draw upstart and your top card is a hand trap you don't get to activate that hand trap going second.
@IamGrimalkin
4 жыл бұрын
Another reason to play more than 40 is that you want to have the space to test cards out. You can improve your deck later by reducing it back down to 40 when you know how good they are. I don't think decks have to be optimum all the time if you're thinking long-term. Especially if you're not in a big event, I think it's sometimes good to build suboptimaly so you can make a better deck later. Also, one way about thinking about extra cards is imagining that the card you topdeck after your opening hand was in your hand instead of the one you added, because it effectively would have been if you cut that card.
@Yishan
4 жыл бұрын
great point
@ancient7716
9 ай бұрын
Upstart Goblin like cards can be negated and it may not be worth the risk of going -1 from time to time. I usually just put what i want instead of goblin.
@matthewescamilla123
4 жыл бұрын
Mathematically to stay as consistent as possible while not seeing a specific brick(look at decks like the dino combo strategy) 42 cards is optimal. I remember going over the math of it for multiple hours with Ryan Yu before he and N3sh made the deck :) For example, you run cards such as o-lion(which in the dino combo deck you have to run 2, as if you open olion and only run 1, you cannot combo). O-lion, deskbot 001, giant rex, jurrac aeolo, psy-frame driver all cards that are necessary for the deck but you do not want to open. :)
@Yishan
4 жыл бұрын
Yeah, basically you need to realize that if the ONLY reason you’re playing more cards is to hide bricks then it’s a losing battle. However if you have multiple reasons then it could be a good idea. 42 is a good number for some decks I think, but probably less than people think
@cheepcheep123
4 жыл бұрын
Nice skit there Yishan lol but I guess the audio could have been louder at the beginning
@aaronashcaster5875
3 жыл бұрын
This very question has been stumping me for weeks now when updating my dark warrior deck. I know 60 is a big no but torn between 45 and 50 also
@BUNJIN40K
3 жыл бұрын
If you're willing to go to 45 or 50, 60 isn't really out of the question. It's more a matter of what those extra cards really are. If you've got it mathed out in a way that let's you consistently see a starter, plus handtraps/whatever going second options, 60 is just fine
@occultninja4
4 жыл бұрын
This looking at individual cards is a bit micro manage-y. Are you familiar with card roles? If you have more than 3 "copies" of a card and your goal is to optimize your deck towards drawing x number of them, the size of the deck can have an effect, but, the ratio of that card in your deck also matters (and matters more). In 40 card to optimize drawing 1 copy of a card you run 8 of it. Let's say you're bad and your deck is at 44 and you don't know what to cut. Add another of that card you need to open with for 9 copies in 45 cards and you have the same ratio and the consistency will be similar (not identical, but the difference will be small). Doing this, you can have your cake and eat it to some extent. You can 'hide' your bricks as you call it while maintaining your consistency. What if there's 1 specific unsearchable card thst you HAVE to see and there is no card that serves a role simolar to it either directly or improvisationally? Then you indeed have to go small, or just go home if the deck is that awkward. Looking at specific card names and trying to micromanage them rather than looking at the larger picture of the card roles is something I've moved away from. Personally speaking I have 60 card decks that I've built and ratio'ed to consistently at 60 cards simply because it's possible. And also I did see a KZitemr do a simulation where they empirically found that their deck was actually *more* consistent at 43 rather than 40, and I've done math and seen the similarities in the curves with similar ratios. And so now I just kinda see the 40 card thing or even the minimalistic appreciate archaic. It's not about minimizing the deck but finding the size that strikes the balance for it and ratioing it properly. The process is somewhat like concentration problems from chemistry. Yeah if your deck is kinda stuck and can't scale up due to a lack of cards thst fill similar Functions then you have to stay small, but in decks where you have more options you don't have to stay small and probably shouldn't be. Long story short is it depends on the deck and your mathematical insight xD But also, why talk about this without bringing up role ratios? When you look at individual cards then yeah you kinda can't scale up by running more copies of them to fix your starting hands, but is that getting the most out of what you can do? Do your thing either way! You do you ^^ Just sharing thoughts from someone who's seen and done the math and has see not been very married to 40 card doctrine.
@Yishan
4 жыл бұрын
im not saying 40 is optimal im saying that many people go over 40 for no good reason. I've actually found too for some of my decks that more than 40 ends up better. I find that especially for combo decks this tends to be true
@occultninja4
4 жыл бұрын
@@Yishan Gotcha! I can get with that then! I do agree that people do have issues knowing what to cut and making truly impactful decisions. Just from my perspective, people are often guilty of blindly running the minimum without thinking and burning themselves without knowing as much as people running cards they don't need or going too high and screwing up their ratios, or otherwise just boxing themselves into a rule that is deeper and more nuanced than just the deck size Basically I see it more as just people not doing the in-depth mathematical analysis in general and erring in both directions. But I got you though! It's good fundamentals to get down how to compactify a deck!
@Alderoth
2 жыл бұрын
I've been running 41 for years. You always have room for that 1 spicy tech card once you trim all the other fat away, without tanking your build
@whyjon2990
4 жыл бұрын
new subscriber to you. these math videos are very very helpful tool for me. My only gripe is that the audio on your video's could be louder. otherwise really great stuff
@Yishan
4 жыл бұрын
ok yeah i could make louder next time. This time there was a skit so it was hard to use my mic so I didn't want the change to be too drastic
@whyjon2990
4 жыл бұрын
@@Yishan I can appreciate not wanting the change to be drastic also thank you good videos
@ImbaAge
2 жыл бұрын
I playing 45-50 cards in my kozmo deck for a reason.. first you dont draw to much ships but you still need thst number of them in the deck for the tincan plays.. second i play one-offs i not want to draw + artefacts which should stay in the deck and i draw less with more cards.. last point is pot of desires which not hurt that much with more cards in deck.. so my deck brick less with more cards
@c_cayce
2 жыл бұрын
It’s important for great ratios but with people mentioning that smaller deck means siding has much more impact I think it’s important to balance and keep deck as small as possible but a few cards won’t wreck you if your deck is balanced but also impact of side deck depends on main deck I side out 11 cards for first or second with 2 other extra deck cards to side in or out as needed for tech also I have a couple other tech cards but with 11 going first and second cards getting sided I also have found ways to use hand traps/ board breakers in going first that is supported with out hinderance and reduces bricking so yeah my deck is 42 cards going first but siding in going second even though I’m only siding in 11 cards I end up with 10 hand traps and 7 board breakers and 3 Kaijus now yeah half my deck going second are board breakers gonna see 2-4 of those but the rest of my deck I have 10 1 card starters and plenty of extenders with recycling card advantage so I don’t need to overly worry about having so many board breakers so my 42 card deck is still solid going first and can have 20 card blow outs going second because I use my resources the right way with a nice balance to my deck that makes it so even though it’s a tad bigger I don’t hurt with my siding
@ancient7716
9 ай бұрын
I usually run my garnets as the 41 or 42nd cards so chances of drawing them is a bit lower, when you run other cards at 3x copies it just makes it less likely to draw garnets compared to your main cards.
@manyhatsentertainment8685
Жыл бұрын
Wow he was trying to get to 500 subs now he has 7.7k😮
@Jacobfreakintimes
2 жыл бұрын
Get a 9volt for that smoke detector
@davidsandrock7826
2 жыл бұрын
I can think of a few reasons to maximize the amount of cards in a deck. 1.) It makes the order of the cards exponentially more random. It’s been proven that a 52 factorial (a standard deck of playing cards) has a practically infinite number of possible combinations. A 40 factorial does not (as far as I am aware). 2.) More slots equals more options. Makes your deck less predictable. 3.) As you mentioned, it decreases the chances of drawing a garnet. 4.) Big deck energy.
@Kyouma.
Жыл бұрын
penguinz0 (moist critical) plays a 54 card Gren Maju deck on Master Duel. It's a wonky deck, but it's the more fun deck for him to use, and he wins games. I personally think that this combination (deck is fun to use and it can win) is what matters the most
@YohananYGO
2 жыл бұрын
40-45 card is perfect, as long as the odds remain within 30% it doesn't make much difference.
@josepharmstrong6852
3 жыл бұрын
Okay I'm making this comment before the video I'll reply with what I thought after. My assumptions are 40 is best because it allows you to see more of your good cards. And can get you to the hand traps to beat combo going 2nd. Also it allows you to see your side cards more often I know with dragoon/gamma people be running 60 so they don't see driver, Dark Magicain, and Red eyes. But this misses the siding where you will play probaly more games sided than anyother so having 40 is huge for seeing side cards which is the best reason for 40.
@josepharmstrong6852
3 жыл бұрын
Nothing to add good vid get batteries for smoke detector lol
@Yishan
3 жыл бұрын
haha yeah I did replace those batteries
@grueneschuhe
3 жыл бұрын
Can u make a video about 60card deck ,when why which deck
@Yishan
4 жыл бұрын
Are you red shirt or white shirt?
@cheepcheep123
4 жыл бұрын
I rarely play 40 all these times unless it's a control deck like zombie control that I still play or a deck that doesn't have that many draw powers/engine requirements
@sushipbestdeck8995
4 жыл бұрын
Both
@Baby-Blue-102
3 жыл бұрын
As a newbie I cant say.. my heart says white shirt as does my brain but my brains slowly being converted to red shirt more often.. watching this fir the first time. Love your math yugioh videos. .. it speaks my language. I need videos like these while I'm building decks I might buy irl. My first one might me marincess
@gabrielsantiago7627
4 жыл бұрын
Hey Yishan. I'm relatively new to Gren Maju, so i wanted to get your opinion on this. If i didn't open maju and i want to draw it, but i have desires or something like allure or trade in, what would you activate first to see it?
@Yishan
4 жыл бұрын
imo u should be goin desires first because depending on what you draw may change wjat you pitch to trade in or allure
@gabrielsantiago7627
4 жыл бұрын
@@Yishan I see. I hadnt considered that part. Thanks a lot for replying back to me, i really appreciate it. Keep up the great work! These math vids are hella great! 👌👌
@shadowdraqon2479
3 жыл бұрын
It depends on the deck, if ur playing a trap deck for example, then ur playing pot of extravagance so that deck cant play upstart goblin. If ur playing something that needs spell counters(royal magical lib/pendulums) or spells in grave(sky striker engage) or ur playing summoner monk(requires spell as fuel for its effect) then of course those decks will play upstart.
@nicholasgabaldon657
3 жыл бұрын
Would you ever add a foolish burial to send gizmek to the graveyard?
@ericjohnson4679
4 жыл бұрын
do you think gren maju numeron is a good idea? which would be a possible deck list?
@Yishan
4 жыл бұрын
Not sure never played it
@XxXMasterFattXxX
3 жыл бұрын
Sooooo what if you had a 40 card deck currently and in that 40 cards there is one brick card. BUT you’re running a TON of 1 ofs so you’d think maybe 39 and upstart would be a good idea? But if you’re running one brick would it be better to not run say upstart? Or maybe do 41 ect. ?
@c_cayce
2 жыл бұрын
So going first you want upstart going second swap it with a going second card why is reduced chance of getting the brick going first is ideal however going second you don’t want upstart in hand going second as it is a brick making 2 bricks in 41 cards but going first it’s 1 brick for 41 instead of 1 for 40 also having many options in side deck that extra card in there may help a lot more than be a hinderance think Dino wrestler going second is an awesome card to have after swapping out upstart
@basuka93
2 жыл бұрын
Hey love your vids, they are really helpful! Maybe I can ask you for a little help.. I can’t figure out the ratios to have a consistent build. Im playing 3x Iblee 3 girsu 3 purple 2 blue 3 memory. Iblee needs a mekk to combo off and and I experimented a lot but I can’t make it work. Any tips on the ratio?
@ThatsSoGiorgio
Жыл бұрын
Your volume is very low. It was almost impossible to hear you for the intro skit and it’s hard to hear you during the actual video. I watch anime while I cook and the noisy fan never drowns out the volume when I’m wearing one headphone in. I can barely hear you right now and my volume isn’t low.
@owencheung4224
3 жыл бұрын
i play 45
@GreatPharaohYT
3 жыл бұрын
me 2 lol
@KingOfGamesss
2 жыл бұрын
Your Question: Why not use 40 card decks? My Answer: because it has been mathematically proven that smaller size decks are UNFAIR and CHEATING against bigger size decks and they are BORING, cheap, unoriginal, noob copied, over-powered, Single Player training Troll decks that don't earn you any respect or friends. Your Question: ok well what if we only have 40 vs 40 fair duels then? My Answer: ...I repeat...they are BORING, cheap, unoriginal, noob copied, over-powered, Single Player training Troll decks that don't earn you any respect or friends AND there's no guarantee your opponent will use a 40 card deck AND......why would you? My Question: Why would you? Your Answer: well...umm because 40 card decks are more powerful and help us to draw the cards we need for our winning combo... My Reply: ...yeah but your opponent is ALSO using the same kind of powerful 40 card deck that allows THEM to draw the cards THEY need for THEIR winning combo...so again I ask...why would you?...and why not play 60 vs 60 fair duels instead? My Question: Why not play 60 vs 60 fair duels? Your Reply: ...BECAUSE I DON'T KNOW HOW TO BUILD A GOOD 60 CARD DECK ALRIGHT!!!!....i'm not skilled enough and I HATE LOSING!...it makes me cry, this game is too hard and i'm still an impatient noob...I don't want to learn how to become a pro duellist over time through experience...I WANT TO BE THE BEST DUELLIST IN THE WHOLE WORLD RIGHT NOW!!!...and i'm super jealous of you. My Reply: I know......I know, there there now......everything will be ok. I will protect you from the big bad Professional "Competitive" REAL duellists. Your Reply: Really? My Reply: Nahh...DON'T BE A SORE LOSER! and DON'T BE ASHAMED OF BEING A NOOB!!...especially in this game...a REAL duellist duels fairly with honor and pride FOR FUN!...it has NOTHING...I repeat...NOTHING! to do with winning or losing...it is about fairness, fun, learning, respect, pride, honor, friendship and improving skills...we don't all start off as professionals, it takes a long time...just be patient and stop cheating in Multiplayer games...and yes a 59 card deck is still cheating...maximum amount 60 only ok (it's called a zero-tolerance policy)
@SuperNickid
Жыл бұрын
@Yishan: You made one big mistake with upstar goblin, that cause does not cost you any life point, it gives your opponent 1,000 life points so you draw one card. READ THE CARD. too lazy to read 8 word sentence.
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