“Haha! Yugioh GX has a dueling school! Crowler has a PHD in dueling!” ...and this video is why that’s not nearly as ridiculous as it sounds.
@local_hotpotato
3 жыл бұрын
We need a new anime season back in the dueling academy just so they can spend half of the first season going through the meat and potatoes of the current meta... Hell have old supporting chracters from other seasons as teachers
@GRosa-xw3rg
3 жыл бұрын
@@local_hotpotato what if we got an anime with the plot of duel links?🤔🤔🤔
@ippotsk
2 жыл бұрын
I never watched GX until the end, but it'd would've been hilarious if there was a duel with Jaden where he tried to do something he thought was a genius move, only for a referee to point out it's against the rules due to some wacko technicality.
@ReeksofChees3
2 жыл бұрын
@@local_hotpotato Sorta like a mix of GX and OCG Structures?
@r3zaful
Жыл бұрын
@@local_hotpotatoa gx and structure mix would be funny, imagine their teacher start to troll their students in master duel.
@cookiecutter6735
6 жыл бұрын
_Miss the timing? What's that? Is it when I'm late at locals?_ - Farfa 2018
@@pollo_470 Farfa really is the memes channel. We got: Bald Jeff Wrong Chain Add more, it's early in the morning, haven't drunk my coffee, can't remember any other memes.
@firespawnie537
6 жыл бұрын
Nuclear physics sounds easier than these yugioh rules...
@BmanTheChamp
6 жыл бұрын
And you'd get a better return on investment..
@reesejackson5935
6 жыл бұрын
They're about the same really. Just a process to follow that, if done incorrectly, fucks everything up
@JustJustin.
6 жыл бұрын
Actually this is one of the EASIER rules to explain, plus it has become mostly irrelevant now that pretty much every card is an IF effect.
@imuncomfbecuzihavsubsandno4371
6 жыл бұрын
The Champ I see u have an anime profile still a better investment
@LilPGKing
4 жыл бұрын
Firespawnie lol you made someone’s day. Congrats stud.
@magnaillusion6085
4 жыл бұрын
We need a card with an effect that activates when it misses the timing.
@Sillimant_
4 жыл бұрын
My god... Errata the Yang Zings to have something like that and they'll be a good deck
@halo3boy1
Жыл бұрын
"if you missed timing, banish all cards in your hand and GY facedown"
@WilliWaffles
6 жыл бұрын
Cimo!! You should make a video explaining the Battle Phase, like, everything about the Battle Phase. I think that would make a great video!!
@thepepperman777
6 жыл бұрын
Bump
@helloitsme472
6 жыл бұрын
Somebody give this man a medal
@ИщерГущеров
6 жыл бұрын
I think ha has
@contemporaryfilmreviews5583
6 жыл бұрын
And a draw phase pls!
@alannnc
6 жыл бұрын
Pls
@EverFortune1
6 жыл бұрын
hey, dude, this is absolutely my fav video you've ever made. I never understood this rule and this was perfectly concise. thanks a lot
@hassanainalaa4974
6 жыл бұрын
this is incredibly useful .... thank u man and I hope that u make more content like this explaining difficult terms and rulings
@ianr.navahuber2195
6 жыл бұрын
So know i have to focus on Finding the word WEHn and THEN in cards, but my problem is remembering waht some cards can do in first place
@hassanainalaa4974
6 жыл бұрын
@@ianr.navahuber2195 reading is hard
@DemonFox369
6 жыл бұрын
MST negates -Cimo
@Rahnonymous
3 жыл бұрын
Also, effect veiler negates the battle phase - Some guy in a crazy Yugioh stories vid from Farfa
@hillmanhung3846
3 жыл бұрын
Yes, but actually negates the monster effect
@walkingtaco3864
6 жыл бұрын
Ohhhh, that’s why my judge at locals hates me.
@hipsterglasses1990
6 жыл бұрын
I really wish Konami would just fix all cards that can miss timing. Its pretty bs when the card meets the conditions for its effect but because of the word “then” it misses it. Would make the game make much more sense and let cards do what they’re supposed to do It’s a total mess and terrible design by Konamis part
@thepervertedmonk2353
5 жыл бұрын
Look at it this way.. Monster effects have "speed" the same way spell and traps do. Some are slow like a spell speed 1 magic card, and can only be used during your own maim phase. But some are very fast, and can even be activated during either players turn like a Spell speed 3 MST. Or heres an even clearer example, lets say a card like Ryko the Lightsworn makes you diacard 3 from the top of your deck, problem is you only have 2 cards left in your deck! Ryko being mandatory vs optional would make ALL the difference and would decide the duel. Ryko being mandatory would mwan that you HAVE to discard 3 no matter what and you would lose right then and there. On the other hand, if ryko said "you CAN discard 3 cards, then you could choose not to discard and live another day. So if a card gives you a choice "you can, you may" then it is possible for it to miss timing. Id the card doesnt give you a choice, then it can never miss timing amd will activate on a separate chain.
@xekon14
4 жыл бұрын
The Perverted Monk Spell Speeds are the dumbest thing in existence, just write it on the fuckign card when they can be used (like MtG and Instant & Sorcery speed)
@xekon14
4 жыл бұрын
Gabriel Lopes Well, you wouldn't know that without specifically looking it up (+ nobody cares) which makes it bad gamedesign
@catisreckless4647
4 жыл бұрын
@@xekon14 Why would you play a game without looking up the rules? That sentence makes zero sense dude.
@xekon14
4 жыл бұрын
Catisreckless It's not intuitive at the very least. If you need a paragraph to explain the speed of different monster effects that are not written on the card it's just bad game design. Missing the timing wouldn't be a thing if it's clear when certain effects activate or not. Just say so on the card if you can only activate it at certain points, which MtG does much simpler and takes less time to explain the intricates of. You have 2 speeds, Sorcery and Instant. Sorcery speed cards and effects can only be activated during your own Main Phase when nothing is on the stack/in the chain and you have priority. Instant speed cards and effects can be activated whenever you have priority and you can activate them unless a card says you can't (Split second for example says that you can't play any other cards after it onto the stack). The stack is much like the chain but you can react with Instant cards at instant speed even in the middle of the stack resolving, like you played a monster, they want to negate it and thus destroy it but in response you can negate their counterspell, but then when the stack starts resolving they cast a second counterspell after their first counterspell has been negated. This works because it's all 1 Casting speed instead of 5 different speeds that can be used at specific different times which just makes the game unnecessarily difficult for newer players. In yu-gi-oh half of your cards you can't activate because they're not the right speed or your opponent activated a counter trap or some stuff that newer players don't care about in the slightest. It's just an unnecessary hurdle to climb over knowing the timing of every single card and monster effect instead of it being just written on the card.
@Linkiscool115
6 жыл бұрын
i.e. almost the entire yang zing archetype 😪
@josequintana8383
6 жыл бұрын
Hi cimoooooooo member
@Linkiscool115
6 жыл бұрын
@@josequintana8383 hello
@goldendragonrider5237
6 жыл бұрын
For anyone still struggling with if and when in Optional Effects, here’s the definition that helped me. * If = In the circumstance. * When = At the moment. While you read an optional effect, it’s very useful to replace if/when with their definitions above. Remember, Effects cannot activate in the middle of a RESOLVING chain. So, if a card that says "When this card is Special Summoned: You can..." and it is Summoned in any chain-link of 2 or higher. e.g. "Back to the Front" is chained to the opponent's MST. Chain resolves backwards, you special summon, then the monster has met its requirements, but the chain is resolving so nothing yet happens. Then MST destroys a card. Now that the chain has ended, it ended on “a Spell/Trap card was destroyed” which is not the condition required to activate your monster’s effect. Hope that helps. :)
@IDontPostPorn
6 жыл бұрын
I was going to make a joke for top comment...but I missed the timing.
@Bdawwwg
6 жыл бұрын
Notification Squad comments like these is why I love KZitem
@tryggvi1239
6 жыл бұрын
what makes me happy is that babycerasarus is not a ones per turn effect
@GatorRay
6 жыл бұрын
LOLZ!
@fharzfdi
6 жыл бұрын
very clever bro, but unfortunately i've missed the timing commenting in this one 😂
@theyugiho8710
6 жыл бұрын
I love how he has MiStar boy as his thumbnail
@brenthebli
6 жыл бұрын
I wish they’d just axe this rule entirely and have optional-when effects just go off anyway. Doubt it tho.
@PharaohofAtlantis
6 жыл бұрын
This is part of the reason I stopped playing Yu-Gi-Oh. The fact that I can read a card and not fully understand what the card does.
@Blue_Firefox
6 жыл бұрын
To this day we will never know what pot of greed truly does
@TicuTK
6 жыл бұрын
That's not a good reason. It's like saying "I stopped trying to learn math because I could read a chapter and not understand what it was telling me." No matter what the idea is if it requires timing and strategic play then you'll have to look more in depth than just reading the card (or chapter). That goes without saying that the rule book does a horrible job explaining ALL the steps in a turn and ways to chain link. Cimo does a great job at explaining how things should be done and uses examples that clearly show what he is talking about
@seefor8538
6 жыл бұрын
Trevor has a point
@lvl5Vaporeon
6 жыл бұрын
When is an evil word.
@valdelamer3903
5 жыл бұрын
Trevor Klinebriel Sorry I want just playing a fucking card game if I want to read something I have news paper. In the old days of YuGiOh it wasn‘t as complex as now. The simple style of playing was the reason for yugioh getting popular and trendy. If someone new want to play it they are averse of these long cards description complexity.
@cosmicbox901
6 жыл бұрын
We don't miss timing, we have happy accidents. ... I really like that Bob Ross shirt.
@jonsense4937
6 жыл бұрын
beat the devil out of it!
@dragontrooper4284
3 жыл бұрын
Lol
@ENCHANTMEN_
5 жыл бұрын
I kinda feel like "if" vs "when" is a little too vague and non-obvious. I feel like it should be errataed such that "When [condition]:" is replaced with "If [condition], and this is the last effect in the chain:"
@Dramatic_Gaming
6 жыл бұрын
I'm curious how all this "if/when" stuff started, because I doubt that it was intentional.
@6210classick
6 жыл бұрын
When: you can effects has actually been part of the game from the beginning but because the game back then used to be so much slower, it didn't cause any problems, until Yang-Zing came along which is a deck that is apparently has gotten purposely nurfed with all their monsters being "when: you can" that it caused issues in tournaments so ever since then, not many cards are now being printed that can miss timing although for some odd reason, the main deck monsters of Rokkets can miss timing
@TheItalianoAssassino
3 жыл бұрын
In oldschool Yugioh!, you rarely even saw a Chain link 3.
@elisha7231
3 жыл бұрын
My guess is it was never konamis intention it worked like this, they just used diffrent text on some cards, but it got caught up in semantics and got popped into existence
@neowolf09
3 жыл бұрын
@@TheItalianoAssassino if you did, it was usually for end game in my experience. Judgment of Anubis ftw back then.
@eliascsjunior
3 жыл бұрын
It is always good to remember, first in Japanese, then in other languages. This concept was purposedly created by Konami. Japanese is a completely different language from European languages. This difference was always clear to the Japanese players. However, in fact, there were some minstralated cards that are corrected in their next printings because "If and when mandatory effects" are an identical concept and there is no need for two different words.
@henriquefonseca5721
6 жыл бұрын
*Siding 3 Soul Takers for my Paleo Frogs matches*
@otangakudyokeman7124
6 жыл бұрын
This is toadally me XDDDDDDDDDDD
@imjustherefortehlulz
6 жыл бұрын
Captions say "hey guys, it's emo here" 😂
@ledgerschroeder
6 жыл бұрын
Imao true
@JL-ut4md
6 жыл бұрын
Dissonance you guys both have the same picture lol
@catisreckless4647
4 жыл бұрын
Look up a KZitemr called "SkillzWG". The captions has a... let's say interesting take on the way he introduces himself.
@ohnosmoarlulcatz
6 жыл бұрын
I still think missing the timing is still one of the dumbest things in Yugioh. You should not be able to miss the timing if you are never given the option to activate it. The cards that are stacked as part of the chain should all resolve simultaneously.
@poluicionador
6 жыл бұрын
Im pretty sure this rule is accidental.
@TalynWulf
6 жыл бұрын
It is. It really is the dumbest thing. In MTG, you can target anything still on the stack, so even if you are somehow 10 cards deep in the stack, you target the first card cast in the stack with a counterspell.
@hipsterglasses1990
6 жыл бұрын
Konami could easy make a rule to fix this terrible design flaw and cards could actually do what they’re supposed to do
@Eddypots
6 жыл бұрын
But that is exactly the problem isn’t it? If you could simultaneously activate everything that would lead to a lot of chicken/egg like situations. That’s why chain link exists. This rule supports chain link. I don’t see the futility in that.
@ohnosmoarlulcatz
6 жыл бұрын
Chain links are the ones that creates the chicken/egg situation in the first place. Simultaneous ignores the order of the activation during the resolution phase because all effects are considered to be triggered at the same time. Cards like Dark Bribe are considered to target the last card played prior to it (no spell speed otherwise can change this fact) and there is nothing you can do to interfere in it other than another negation. But, these cards still target specific cards on the stack. Once all the cards desired are played, their effects resolve, pulling the negated ones out of the stack and then letting everything else play its course. Then, all the cards are sent to the graveyard at the same time after the cards resolve, preventing any cards from ever missing the timing.
@maximillionchaoswolf
6 жыл бұрын
its pretty much my least favorite feature of this game and I just cant see an upside too it.
@anonymoususer69
6 жыл бұрын
Maximillion Chaoswolf I agree, it adds a lot of complexity to the game with no real benefit. The only potential benefit I can see would be as a way to balance archetypes so that several powerful effects can’t go off at once, but that would require Konami to try and balance the game
@RadiantAeon
6 жыл бұрын
@@anonymoususer69 It mattered when Paleo existed. It also makes Dupe Frog not busted when making Mistar Boy, or when using it with Toad. It makes for a higher level of play whenever a competing deck uses "When" effect.
@willlast2015
6 жыл бұрын
Noah Llorens burrrrn!
@Relisoc
6 жыл бұрын
it makes no logical sense. two things can happen at the same time. it's like if your mom tells you to clean your room at 5 o clock and you try to make up some bullshit about how it's not 'exactly' 5 o clock one second after 5:00 pm, it's now 5:00:01 so therefore you don't have to clean
@RadiantAeon
6 жыл бұрын
@@Relisoc Sorry mom, I missed the timing.
@davidiswhat
6 жыл бұрын
This topic along with chains and inherent summons are probably the 3 most core topics for beginners to know.
@GamerCainey
6 жыл бұрын
*shudders in hearing unofficial terminology like inherent summons*
@wakkablockablaw6025
6 жыл бұрын
This is a very stupid and confusing rule in yugioh. Konami please remove it.
@osiris9128
6 жыл бұрын
It is confusing, but removing it would make certain cards and decks just much better
@bradsubject3641
10 ай бұрын
You need to hire a lawyer to help you play Yugioh now a days
@hi-i-am-atan
6 жыл бұрын
Here's a bit more detail about conjunctions and what they means ( in PSCT, of course, with cards that predate it you just have to pray and hope there's rulings for the card about action timing ): ● "and," "and, if you do," and "also" are all _simultaneous_ conjunctions - that is, if the actions linked by them are the last thing to occur, "when" effects can respond to either action. ● "then" and "also, after that" are both _sequential_ conjuctions. As this video covered, "when" effects can only ever respond to the second action, as it occurs _after_ the first. Note also the simultaneous and sequential terminology; cards like Ryko and Kunai with Chain that allow activating or applying multiple effects also include these terms for much the same purpose, with simultaneous effects allowing "when" effects to respond to either while sequential ( or, specifically, "in sequence" ) effects only allowing "when" effects to respond to the final one. However, note that while there's two categories, there's actually five conjunctions. This isn't actually superfluous, as conjunctions are _also_ important for determining whether or not an effect's actions fizzle or not, namely: ● "and" requires _both_ actions to be able to resolve, otherwise both will fizzle. You can mostly see this with Union monsters, which have to both unequip _and_ Special Summon themselves to "de-unionize," but you can also see it with Gallis the Star Bird, who only burns the opponent if he Special Summons himself ( i.e. your opponent doesn't activate Vanity's in response to you revealing him as a cost ) and vice-versa. ● "and, if you do," and "then" requires the first part to resolve to resolve the second part, but not vice-versa; the Metalfoes monsters' Pendulum effects will not let you search if the monster itself doesn't pop the card ( i.e. you activate it and target your other scale, but your opponent responds with MST and pops it as Chain Link 2 ), but if every piece of Metalfoes backrow is removed from your Deck before the pop resolves, your scale will still pop the card even though you can no longer perform the search. Moving back to Gallis, note that his effect mills the top card of your Deck, _then_ burns and Special Summons him; this means that even if Vanity's gets flipped in response, you still have to mill, unlike what happens with the burn part. ● "also" and "also, after that" are the most lax; as long as the effect resolves, both parts happen to the best of their ability, no matter if the other part is possible or not. Vanity's gets flipped in response to your Goblindbergh? It'll still go into Defense Position. Can't re-Set Scrap-Iron Scarecrow because it got popped by MST after you activated it? Well, you'll still get the attack negated. As you can see, each conjunction is unique in its combination of timing and how much the two parts rely on each other. Knowing this is pretty important to judge an effect properly, as a single different word can radically swing how vulnerable an effect is to disruption as well as how strong it is to disrupt plays. And, as you'd expect from Konami, they've graciously and carefully made it so that learning this in any official manner is a _complete_ pain in the ass, so don't feel too bad if you didn't know anything about this!
@Myusernamerulez
4 жыл бұрын
I still don't get it...
@Zaidon7
3 жыл бұрын
arctangent I cannot read that comment and have someone convince me that this is a card game for children.
@lvl5Vaporeon
6 жыл бұрын
Yang Zing's mortal enemy!
@frozenlavareflector
6 жыл бұрын
Add crystrons to that list, its frustrating when you realise that both trishula and black rose miss the timing
@icantth1nkofab3tt3rname6
6 жыл бұрын
All when’s needs to be errata’d to if’s for simplicity and not having to worry about timing in general I know it sounds petty but it will help clear everything up
@hi-i-am-atan
6 жыл бұрын
Mandatory whens are being errata'd to ifs, actually. It helps clear it up a little bit, since the when vs. if part is completely irrelevant for mandatory effects, and a mandatory effect is closer to an if anyway.
@jannis4387
6 жыл бұрын
Would completely screw with the balance of the game.
@nightshroud9671
5 жыл бұрын
I feel like certain cards like Pinch Hopper needs an errata. I am pretty sure originally it can trigger off if you tribute for a tribute summon, but now miss the timing stuff screws it up.
@TainyaGaming
3 жыл бұрын
@@jannis4387 what balance
@Maxim0M1
3 жыл бұрын
@@TainyaGaming Missing the timing was a thing that was designed on purpose to make certain cards weaker. Cards that don't miss timing are stronger ( so they're usually balanced out by being more difficult to summon, support a weak archetype, needing more resources to be brought out, etc). Asking for "missing the timing" to be removed is akin to making every card that requires life points to be paid to always cost 500LP; some cards require a higher cost of LP because their effects are usually stronger than cards that require smaller LP cost.
@syedwahab2618
6 жыл бұрын
Thank you so much. For years I've been trying to understand this and just watching this video 1 time helped me understand the infamous "Missing the Timing" ruling
@Stephen__White
6 жыл бұрын
Okay I realise that it's the rulings and all, but this all just seems dumb. Let's take the Enemy Controller Dupe Frog example. In my mind, the effect chain would go. Activate Enemy Controller -> Tribute Dupe Frog -> Dupe Frog searches -> Take control of the targeted monster Because that's how the effects would go, you tribute the dupe frog and it says "when" so it should force it's effect into the middle of the Enemy Controller effect because that IS when it's going to the graveyard. Same idea with the Goblinbergh Armageddon knight example. Summons Goblinbergh -> Special Summons Armageddon Knight -> Armageddon Knight dumps -> Goblinbergh switches to defence position. Maybe it's just me, but when I read a "When" in a card text to me that means it forces itself into the chain no matter what. Honestly the current system seems to just create more confusion then it's worth. I mean with how it works Dupe Frog can't really be used for anything other then like Dark Hole fodder. Because from how you explained it, even if you tribute summon with it, it would miss timing because the last thing to happen would be the tribute summoned monster entering the field. I mean I get it can add some strategy to the game, but at the same time it just makes cards that say "when" seem almost worthless. I mean why would I play a card, or deck that can have almost all of it's effects stopped by my opponent using a throw away effect? A card should never have it's effect not go off unless another card is specifically negating that cards effect. But as I said it's the rules so what I think doesn't matter. Though my idea would likely make the game a lot less confusing.
@albinothumbs
6 жыл бұрын
Enemy controller takes control of the monster first. You can't resolve dupe frog's effect before enemy controller has finished resolving.
@GamerCainey
6 жыл бұрын
The fundamental rule of "no chains within chains" is why what you're suggesting isn't allowed. But yes this is how it would attempt to activate/resolve if we didnt have that rule.
@antoniopoblete5510
6 жыл бұрын
I rather have: Activate Enemy Controller -> Tribute Dupe Frog -> Take control of the targeted monster-> Dupe Frog searches Because it feels weird to interrup the effect of a single card.
@pierreshi6102
6 жыл бұрын
lmao If is like if it happens, you do it. When is more concerned with time, so you can chain block and make them miss
@pierreshi6102
6 жыл бұрын
also, what's wrong with blocking? are you salty because your a frog player that keeps getting blocked? Lemme tell you that you have to use another card to block usually (unless you have a "Then" card), so it means your opponent is wasting a resouce to keep yourself from using that resource. It's bascially a trade off, not that bad for neither one of you. Back in the days when MST was 3 in every deck, duuuuuuude forcing your opponent to waste one could potentially mean you could mirror force and go for win (or just magic cylinder for the win).
@jl2398
4 жыл бұрын
My friends: hey I wanna learn yugioh can you teach me?? Me: um...
@therealcroman
6 жыл бұрын
When, You Can: The bane of every player's existence since the 1990s. Fun fact. You can auto-win against a Psy-Frame deck by not activating your mandatory effects. Normal Summon and smash face vanilla beatdown style. That deck's Achilles heel is nothing happening. It's a satisfying punishment for a deck that exists solely to not let your opponent play the game.
@ShuraEssays
6 жыл бұрын
Alpha can be summoned in response to a normal summon, so you've already given them a play to make. You actually play something like Diamond Core of Koa'ki Meiru to skip your draw phase and deck out . . . Despite giving them a spell effect to negate . . . Just play 41 cards ir something. I know you can't side into a 41 card deck, but hey. You also can't not activate your mandatory effect.
@LAsuperfly94
6 жыл бұрын
I.e. Phantasm Spiral
@IBenin16I
6 жыл бұрын
@@LAsuperfly94 except phantasm spiral doesn't rely on your opponent doing things, and it's a much more versatile activation condition.
@therealcroman
6 жыл бұрын
Is that right. Every time I play against the deck, they are sitting on a fat hand of hand traps and once they reveal they are playing Psy-Frame, I just Normal Summon and attack each turn until I win. They probably are maxed out on effect negation pieces and 1-offing the other stuff. That or the deck is incredibly inconsistent. Which is why it's a not on the radar casual annoyance deck. Whatever the case, I love when "you shall not play Yu-Gi-Oh" decks fail, especially when the deck's mechanics are used against the deck.
@Xsar1998
6 жыл бұрын
Of course, it is not good enough against modern decks. Also it never really won anything back when it was good because Kozmo was the best deck and so whatever people were siding for Kozmo (Imperial Iron Wall, Chaos Hunter) was also auto-win against psy frames because their win condition is banishing your stuff
@alexisleftist778
4 жыл бұрын
i mean timing in yu gi oh is very uhm weird, comign from someone who played yu gi oh then went ot magic, magics stack is far easier to understand
@Wizard_Lizard_
Жыл бұрын
What a unnecessarily complex and needless mechanic. I hope other TCGs don't ever have anything this ridiculous.
@JoeDirtisawsome
6 ай бұрын
apparently magic does this too
@LunaLuckyLight
6 жыл бұрын
Probably just echoing. But this rule is just bad design. It isn't intuitive, it is confusing to new players, it makes conditional cards worse by having a negation clause added to their text, and buffs cards with varied effect timings. After all, you are effectively allowing one player to add two chains before the other player(or even you) can react, and therefore protect the first effect from being interacted with. In a just world, cards that create effects with different timings would create multiple chains, allowing all players to splice their effects between the first and second effect. But honestly, this is often a non-issue, because Yugioh already has serious issues with cards being too universally applicable and consistent.
@BiggiestayHoopin23
Жыл бұрын
Years later and this video is still relevant and always will be
@kenshiroorjotarowithawhite829
6 жыл бұрын
Lightpulsar Dragon would be so broken with REDMD if it wouldn't miss timing. Eternal loops for Link spam, lol.
@chaos_magician6689
6 жыл бұрын
ah, the old days when I used to play chaos dragons and had to remember that lightpulsar misses when using starlight’s effect
@Darkkefka
3 жыл бұрын
I hate this rule so much. it makes fortune ladies unplayable...
@BootyjuiceJenkins
6 жыл бұрын
Missing the timing, or how I lose 99% of my games.
@tryggvi1239
6 жыл бұрын
the lesson is 1 effect at a time but I always forget to use giant rexes effect
@ge789
6 жыл бұрын
Tryggvi 123 Ditto
@RobertoWhyyoucare
6 жыл бұрын
Found the yang zing player
@jadynboese5758
6 жыл бұрын
Lmao uou talking bout me man
@rueblie2627
6 жыл бұрын
So what you’re telling me is MST negates the effects.
@zergl1ng526
3 жыл бұрын
HOLY SHIT
@parkerray10
6 жыл бұрын
Big Brain Cimoooooooo sharing his information this video was actually so help full. Thanks Cimoooooooo for the info!
@exokid9799
6 жыл бұрын
Tbh, this is actually a really good thing for me to learn because I'm starting to get into yugioh and I'm thinking about competitive wise too. I'll be doing more research about chain links and card readings like this video. I never really knew cards can miss timing based on what occurs last 😶 Thanks for the amazing video Cimo!
@ethanevans3537
6 жыл бұрын
Literally the whole damn Yang Zing archetype misses timing 😂 I know I play them
@tequilasunrise9667
3 жыл бұрын
Denglong doesn't miss timing. He's banned tho
@TheItalianoAssassino
3 жыл бұрын
Cimo's child's first sentence: "Chain resolves backwards"
@ghoulofmetal
3 жыл бұрын
The more i hear about Yu-Gi-Oh the happier i get that i switched over to mtg, the rulings in this game are bonkers.
@robertjackson2786
6 жыл бұрын
Wait a sec, you can chain MST in response to Suanni's summon and still activate TT? TT has "When" in its text, so shouldn't the last thing to occur be Suanni's summoning so it can activate? Or is it because MST hasn't resolved yet, so it's still legal to activate TT? Sorry if it's a stupid question, just trying to understand.
@jacobandriola8726
6 жыл бұрын
You're correct. The example he gave is an illegal activation of TT. Since TT says when it has to be in direct response to the summon of a monster.
You're right. A better example would be to substitute TT for raigeki break where the target would be Suanni. Raigeki break destroys Suanni; Suanni misses its timing because MST was the last card to resolve. Just so you know, summoning does not start a chain. You can activate cards when they are summoned, but they are not "chained" to the summon. TT would be CL1 when a monster is summoned.
@d4rkfog875
6 жыл бұрын
no, he's wrong, when you are starting a chain, the "last event" always relates to the last event before Starting the Chain, so for the whole Chain, the summon is considered to be the last event to happen
@House_Of_Champs
6 жыл бұрын
Torrential does not have to be DIRECTLY to the summon. Let's say I summon cir and my opponent activated bottomless trap hole, I can still activate torrential here as long as it is in the specific chain responding to the summon. Similar to how if I activate mirror force, my opponent book of moons their monster cl2, as long as it's the same chain, cl3 I can use another mirror force. Unlike Ash blossom that has to be directly in chain, torrential/mirror force only care about which chain theyre activate in response to for their window.
@PsychoKern
3 жыл бұрын
Wtf thats so stupid, just let us use the effects... I summon Goblin, Goblin special summons Armageddon Knight, switch Goblin to defense and send 1 Dark lvl 4 to graveyard because Armageddon Knight was summoned(which he obviously was meaning card conditions are perfectly met) like wtf, why not use it?!
@nipthekitten7002
6 жыл бұрын
Finally one of these videos. Really needed the help. ^-^)/
@TheAweDude1
4 жыл бұрын
As an MTG player this feels so... un-intuitive. For all the shit that the stack and priority gets, I'm glad I don't have to constantly deal with whether or not a card/effect misses timing.
@GamerCainey
6 жыл бұрын
I don't know if you really did it justice though. Good for a basic idea of how it works. You missing sequential effects with the conjunction "also, after that" as well as effects with "also" and "and if you do" Should also cover how timing works works with SEGOC and building chains. For instance, the very issue that Robert Jackson has in these comments with confusion about how Torrential Tribute works if you can activate MST before TT or not.
@KingSega
3 жыл бұрын
This is something that's never discussed when playing casually (specifically with friends). So I know we've been playing duels incorrectly due to not applying this rule. Really appreciate this video, cat. 👍🏾
@runningoncylinders3829
6 жыл бұрын
Gonna keep this in mind for Duel Links because any Anki hate is much appreciated. I can't stand the fact that he's able to float into himself mid-Battle-Phase and OTK out of nowhere.
@magiic3871
6 жыл бұрын
Runningon Cylinders how does missing timing help with anki lol?
@runningoncylinders3829
6 жыл бұрын
Magic Clan His floating effect to search Mask Change is a "when" effect which means it can miss timing. You'll probably be able to survive until the next turn if it's only 1 of him you have to worry about.
@GamerCainey
6 жыл бұрын
"When this card destroys an opponent's monster by battle and sends it to the Graveyard:" Pretty hard to get that to miss timing, if you find a way. let me know.
@orlandoorozco4441
7 ай бұрын
They need to fix miss timeming from guardian eatos stop worrying.."make old card's great again"
@DominatorLegend
6 жыл бұрын
If I'd been given a penny for every player that said "Crooked Cook + Geartown is an OP combo"...
@quazy321
6 жыл бұрын
It only works when you control only Crooked Cook and no other monsters.
@DominatorLegend
6 жыл бұрын
The V-Blade And by that time it's hard to consider it OP (specially in MR4)
@quazy321
6 жыл бұрын
@@DominatorLegend I'm an AG player myself, and I wouldn't call it OP. Not a bad play tho, especially if summoning Reactor Dragon, or Wyvern for a search.
@DominatorLegend
6 жыл бұрын
The V-Blade Of course it's not OP, but certain Yugituber who uploads the "best" decks of every archetype thinks so.
@OneEyeShadow
3 жыл бұрын
TIL: Missing the timing is a really stupid and counterintuitive mechanic.
@DemonFox369
6 жыл бұрын
Why am I watching this? I know it.
@torybio13
6 жыл бұрын
good for you champ
@TheDarknightRemix
6 жыл бұрын
Same
@GamerCainey
6 жыл бұрын
The cimooo has you now. Follow the White Rabbit.
@janderson9413
Жыл бұрын
I don't like the term "missing the timing". It makes it sound like a misplay when it's actually just how the card works.
@RanserSSF4
6 жыл бұрын
"How to miss timing featuring the Yang Zings. How do you guys feel about you guys always missing the timing?" "It's BULLS***" "well there you guys go, coming up next, When is the next banlist coming?"
@GatorRay
6 жыл бұрын
9/11
@EDDIEandPsychO
4 жыл бұрын
But why does "When" loose timing and not "IF" what's the English wording for scientificlly differentiating the two words, like break it down cause it bothers me to know
@pedrodarosamello64
4 жыл бұрын
The reason is that the rules choose that "When" work in one way and "If" in another way, no other reason really
@phillewis3180
6 жыл бұрын
Gotta stop them light pulsars from going off
@ChillyCharizard006
5 жыл бұрын
Not being able to use Dragon Spirit Of White’s effect when I chain Sliver’s Cry always confused me. (Yes I play DL) Normal activation: A-Ok Chain Activation: Hol up!! This helps a lot, thanks Cemooooo!
@ryandebosscher6821
3 жыл бұрын
I feel your pain bro, both a year ago and currently when I break out my Blue Eyes deck lol, and respect for the real Blue-Eyes artwork btw
@xxdinorabbitxxschannel5083
6 жыл бұрын
i imagine you made a follow up video on missing the timing, because the definition of missing the timing you put in the previous video was quite atrocious when considering the mindset of a new player
@aiRCoft
6 ай бұрын
Ah yes, the golden days of _Cimoooooooo..._ R.I.P.
@chipan9191
3 жыл бұрын
There are also ways to take away an opponent’s response window to certain cards. Say your opponent has a ton of counter traps and you have a fire lake you could use to take out their back row. If you have a bait doll, you could force the activation of your own fire lake causing your opponent to miss the activation response window making it impossible for them to counter your trap card. Why? Because bait doll activates your card as part of its resolution, which means the activation response window of fire lake comes and goes during bait doll’s resolving effect. Your opponent cannot activate effects while a chain is resolving, which means they cannot respond to your fire lake in this scenario.
@JamesMartinez
2 жыл бұрын
There's no official YUGIOH instructions that go into this level of detail are there?
@Lonaticus
3 жыл бұрын
i feel that these were created by salty nerds that lost a match and forced this "timing" thing and then referees made it official
@olivergrams5212
2 жыл бұрын
Boom like that I started playing Magic the Gathering and never looked back
@sepra7262
2 жыл бұрын
Correct me if I'm wrong, but I also found this quote from yugipedia that seems like an important note. "When a player takes an action that does not start a chain, that action is the last thing to happen. For example, setting a Spell/Trap Card, summoning a monster, or declaring an attack."
@yohinio_0712
Жыл бұрын
These actions don't start a chain but they will trigger a chain, and the fact that the chain resolves backwards so the last thing has to be the thing that started a chain, but it doesn't necessarily mean that the last thing to happen has to be one of these actions.
@gureomokri5583
3 жыл бұрын
If you tried explaining this people will get bored quick
@RetroPillowcase
6 жыл бұрын
So I don't play ygo but I enjoy hearing about the game. This is definitely one of the weirdest rules I've heard. I play Magic and one of the similar rules is with Oblivion Ring - with the use of the stack it is possible to permanently exile a creature. I guess it would similar to this.
@SpottedZebra
6 жыл бұрын
Weird, but allows options in card design. Such as, would this be too powerful of a trigger if it was allowed to trigger after being used as a material monster? If yes, they can make it unable to do that with a single word instead of having to print a list of invalidating conditions in the text.
@CedricDones
Ай бұрын
Then why are you here aside from you getting hooked on recommended channels
@RetroPillowcase
Ай бұрын
@@CedricDones why you care?
@spof465
6 жыл бұрын
Missing timing is probably the single dumbest thing in yugioh from the base rules
@Vinicius-Bigode
6 жыл бұрын
Most examples of missing timing comes from generic cards, whitch makes sense given the immense amout of effects combinations and such, but Subterros... WHY DOES EVERY BEHEMOTH MISSES TIMING ON HIS OWN ARCHETYPE?! Seriously, it really triggers me that Final Battle is probably the best card in the archetype but causes every Subterror Behemoth monster to miss timing on his special summoning effect. WTF Konami, they are already slow enough just by being flip monsters then you make their field spell not a Subterror card so it can't be searched by Guru and Final Battle a continious trap, btw when will Guru hit the TCG? And that link monster... Anyway, sorry for the rant, nice video as aways, peace.
@luisfbadel
5 жыл бұрын
Fast question people I summoned Armageddon Knight, I activate its effect then I special Summon Blue Mountain Butterspy, does Armageddon Knight miss the timing?
@SpottedZebra
5 жыл бұрын
What timing does is determine whether or not you can activate an effect in the first place, so it's not possible to activate it and then miss. What you're doing here is a "SEGOC," activating two effects with the same timing in sequence. Summon AK > activate AK > reveal butterspy from hand > resolve > summon butterspy > send dark monster from deck to GY.
@DuelingNetwork100
6 жыл бұрын
A few additions to the explanations: "After" has the same implications as "then" (which was kind of explained with Goblindbergh despite you claiming it said "then" when it clearly does not say "then"). The reason you cannot activate Dupe Frog in response to Enemy Controller in the example given at about 7:30 to anyone questioning it is that Trigger Effects have a Spell Speed of 1, so they cannot activate in response to other effects (except in a specific ruling case regarding multiple Trigger Effects). You might say this contradicts the use of Torrential Tribute in response to MST but that is not the case because Torrential Tribute has a Spell Speed of 2 (for being the activation of a Trap Card). The rules of "missing the timing" do not work the same, but rather the condition of Torrential Tribute needs a monster being summoned to be the last thing before the current chain to occur. It's kind of the same thing, but not really.
@mman8w30washere4
3 жыл бұрын
so basically if a card says "when" it sucks ass and demands to go last
@2asdfj
Жыл бұрын
I miss the time when Cimooo used to make good content.
@cutecommie
6 жыл бұрын
I remember that this rule made my Dark World decks terrible. Imagine if it was this way in Magic. All the Madness cards would be next to useless.
@SpottedZebra
6 жыл бұрын
None of the dark world monsters can miss timing. (For the same reason that Madness wouldn't either. They say "if x" or "when x: do" not "when x, you can") If you have experience with DW not doing what you expected, it was more likely because they say "discarded by a card effect," which means they do nothing if you discard them to pay an activation cost. Common examples of cards that people try to use this way include Lightning Vortex, Raigeki Break, and Phoenix Wing Wind Blast.
@demonsofrazg
6 ай бұрын
Is "Miss Timing" only in the TCG or can it happen in the OCG as well??
@SpottedZebra
3 ай бұрын
A little late, but couldn't resist. It was the OCG that conceived this all the way back in like 2001 - 02 to cover for what would otherwise be an easy FTK involving Woodland Sprite and Archfiend of Gilfer, and it's been part of how cards get designed ever since.
@anthonychum9999
2 жыл бұрын
They need to change to change this timing bs. Really killing my mode with this game and I just got back into it
@yohinio_0712
Жыл бұрын
Konami:"Change this timing bs? How about you change your last name, like, getting rid of the letter h?"
@TCG9777
4 жыл бұрын
Yugioh is the leading tcg in word-fuck
@LukesYuGiOhChannel
4 жыл бұрын
This is a good video. I like playing Gusto so I know this ruling quite well.
@giorgosmanos949
5 жыл бұрын
Ok i have a specific question because i'm not sure if i understood: example: I normal summon Cyber Dragon Core, can my opponent activate his set pendulum switch to summon a monster and make me miss timing on Core's search effect?
@pedrodarosamello64
4 жыл бұрын
No, because as soon as you summon core on your turn you have priotity to activate his effect before your oponent does anything else, actually, this is true for all monsters that have effect when they are normal summoned
@stanleynente7924
4 жыл бұрын
Veteran : oh that didnt activate because it missed its timing Noob : THE WHAT
@TainyaGaming
3 жыл бұрын
I literally lost a tournament because of that. Fuck that rule.
@NettoTakashi
3 жыл бұрын
Thanks for making this, it helped clear up a lot. However, I still have some confusion regarding that final example. Torrential Tribute has a "when" effect. If you activate MST, isn't the last thing that happened... the activation of MST? How can you then activate Torrential Tribute in response to the summoning? Isn't the timing wrong? Or is it only effects, not activations, that affect timing? But then you have things like Solemn Judgment that respond to and negate activation of cards... so does that mean your opponent could use Magic Jammer on your MST in response to you chaining Torrential Tribute...? Honestly this whole system is a bit of a mess these days, if you ask me.
@TheBlues088
4 жыл бұрын
do all americans scream when they talk?
@V2ULTRAKill
4 жыл бұрын
This video is the reason i play mtg instead
@jksanrio
4 жыл бұрын
Let me finish my PhD first, then I'll try to understand this again.
@silastopole
6 жыл бұрын
Thanks for explaining... I really didn't know... Could you also do such a video about the two kinds of special summon (I just heard about it and don't even know the name)
@jeremycarromero5302
6 жыл бұрын
Inherent special summons and non-inherent special summons (officials names being special summons that don't start a chain and special summons that start a chain). Easiest way to know if card is a inherent special summons is if it's special summoned by another card, if it is; it's not an inherent special summon (or special summon that doesn't start a chain), if it isn't; then it is a inherent special summon.
@scorpionsapprentice3248
6 жыл бұрын
I hate this mechanic. i'd rather have hard once per turn clauses so that way the cards are more consistent. pulsar for example should trade its missed timing effect for a hard once per turn. as for non-simultaneous situations, it should only apply to costs.
@abdulaschka6221
6 жыл бұрын
the yang zing combo wont work because mst negates the torrential.^^
@farkasmactavish
6 жыл бұрын
TT is a mandatory effect, so it can't miss timing. It goes "when...[do it]", which makes it mandatory, instead of "when...you can", which would make it optional. Optional effects with "when" can miss timing, mandatory effects NEVER miss timing, regardless of the wording.
@TechHug
6 жыл бұрын
Timing is the dumbest concept to ever be introduced to a TCG.
@planetzr3
4 жыл бұрын
so i guess ive been playing wrong all these years FeelsBadMan
@travisgriffith8102
3 жыл бұрын
so your saying mst could negate
@Megamanlanprime
6 жыл бұрын
I’m surprised you didn’t mention how TT, Bottomless and other cards that respond to Summons can also miss the timing if the Summon was in the middle of a chain or you mess with chain links.
@PaulTaitful
6 жыл бұрын
Love this, as a player just getting back into it this is very helpful to understand Yu-Gi-Oh! Competitively 👌
@MathGeekQ
2 жыл бұрын
Its news to me that you can still activate Torrential Tribute after activating MST as a response to a summon... I would have thought you can no longer activate Torrential Tribute because it is no longer responding to the summoning of a monster, but to the activation of MST, I don't get it.
@yohinio_0712
Жыл бұрын
Actions of activating(such as send a card to the GY to activate a spell) that go on a chain are considered to be at one timing, actions of resolving(such as you send a card to the GY because some effect just destroyed it) that go on a chain are considered to be at different timings.
@yohinio_0712
Жыл бұрын
Actually the declaration and you activating MST are considered to be at the SAME time, as long as action is potentially spontaneous, for example: you summon a monster with an effect stating: When it's summoned add a card, so you add a card, your opponent can still activate a card that says "when your opponent summon a monster you can..." in response to your summoning, I know, it may seem that the last thing to happen is you adding a card not you summoning the monster but these two actions are considered on the same timing, or happens at the same time.
@Dantelor
3 жыл бұрын
When = At the exact time the condition appears, and if that condition isn't ruined by another effect. If = Always resolves unless negated.
@r3zaful
3 жыл бұрын
Mandarins when effects exist
@yohinio_0712
Жыл бұрын
There's also a condition that's mandatory and it's a when effect "when... do... "
@squirly182
6 жыл бұрын
Thank you so much for this! I’ve been EXTREMELY confused on this term, and this cleared everything up! Thanks again!
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