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@jungtarcph
10 ай бұрын
Who does the clocking of the music? The DAC or the CD Transport? Some DACs also resample the timing for the SPDIF input, right...?
@tistenp2946
8 ай бұрын
I you believe that you could hear a difference between the digital signal from those 2 players, then you should stop making videos and find something else to do, as your credibility just got cancelled! I couldn't stop laughing at your ridiculous idea!
@RileytheBunny
Жыл бұрын
“They charge you more for less features, that is the audiofile way.” So funny.
@Cabal97
Жыл бұрын
This is the way
@jrms60r
Жыл бұрын
Porsche does this also.
@sammencia7945
20 күн бұрын
Reason for that is pure signal path. Means simplicity. Means fewer features.
@laurelhardy4064
Жыл бұрын
One good thing that we can say about the Sony dvd player, is that its power cord is secured really well to the player.
@SyzygyNoon
Жыл бұрын
Yes. In the spec sheet, it clearly states that the cord connection is capable of withstanding 1g with a variance of .9g.
@danlahl
Жыл бұрын
Randy, will you please do a video twirling the Rotel by its cord, just like you did with the Sony cd player? Would like that comparison of the 2 products...
@cheapaudioman
Жыл бұрын
@@danlahl ha. Well that one has a removable plug
@sand0077
Жыл бұрын
Which is annoying being swung back and forth repeatedly!🙄
@mechamania
Жыл бұрын
@@sand0077To be fair, though, it’s not as annoying as deciphering 4th-grade grammar, having just made a direct comparison.
@riffraff9000
Жыл бұрын
I still buy all my music on CD, immediately rip them to FLAC, and load the files onto my hard drive, phone, and car stereo. Save the physical CD as back-up media.
@Downhuman74
5 ай бұрын
Me, too. You should try Plex. Leave the files on a single server somewhere (or your computer) and stream them anywhere you want just like any other streaming service. The best of both worlds.
@flaviomaia5377
4 ай бұрын
I think so that is the best solution.
@krakrug3958
3 ай бұрын
which program do you recommend for ripping CDs to FLAC?
@Downhuman74
3 ай бұрын
@@krakrug3958 Exact Audio Copy is what I use but I hear Foobar2000 is nice, too. EAC works in tandem with a program called AccurateRip which has a database of known good rips of most titles to check your rip against to see if you captured an accurate one. EAC also has error correction which gives you a chance to get an accurate rip from a scratched disc. I've gotten 100 percent accurate rips from discs that won't even play anymore. It's really nice. Not every time, mind you, but it's nice to have.
@BrentCahill1
3 ай бұрын
@@krakrug3958 I would highly recommend Exact Audio Copy.
@TheAgeOfAnalog
Жыл бұрын
I was fortunate to find a 2004 Pioneer DV-47ai player at a neighborhood yard sale last year for just $10. Barely a scratch on it. I had to buy a remote on eBay for $20, so all in I'm still only at $30. It plays DVDs, burned discs, CDs and even SACDs. It features Burr/Brown DACs and makes even regular run of the mill CDs sound incredible.
@David-bb7mt
Жыл бұрын
Nice find dude
@SyzygyNoon
Жыл бұрын
Dude! There’s a scratch? I’d have talked them down five cents.
@TheAgeOfAnalog
Жыл бұрын
@@SyzygyNoon it seemed rude, LOL
@michaelstanley5215
Жыл бұрын
@@TheAgeOfAnalogYou should have seen my Old Man at a yard sale, nothing was too rude for him
@jimfarrell4635
Жыл бұрын
Those old Pioneers were great. I still have a 757ai in a second system and it sounds grand as a transport and great playing SACDs. I also picked up an ancient 717 to use as a transport for about £30. Those things were built like tanks and have a dual laser system for playing cds, rather than relying on the dvd transport.
@denis.morais
20 күн бұрын
Hi Randy, after using my PS3 for years as CD transporter via optical cable to DS3 pro plus DAC. The PS3 start not reading the CD's, then I remembered this video and bought an inexpensive (40 USD) DVD player with digital audio coaxial output. Everything worked great after finding a decent coaxial cable. Thanks for this video. Warm regards from Brazil!
@1980JPA
Жыл бұрын
I've used thrift store CD players for years. Some used to be $80, and some used to be $300. If they have a digital out I grab it and hook it to my bifrost DAC. Pretty much every single one has sounded the same... they all sound great. I've found that my DAC is what makes the difference. Thanks for spreading the hack that I've been using. I've been yelling it from the top of mountains, but you have a larger "mountain" lol.
@darrensmith6999
Жыл бұрын
Love my CDs DVDs and Blu Rays hell i even have Compact cassettes. Physical media is my preferred way of watching or listening to my stuff:)
@waltergist8923
Жыл бұрын
I use the Rotel CD player in one of my setups and I like it very much. One caution: the CD tray does retract automatically after a short time. That's great I guess if you are worried about leaving it open but not so great if you open the tray and then fiddle around a little bit deciding on the CD you want. I have managed to accidentally time it just wrong so that the tray clamped down on the CD just as I was sliding the CD in. No real damage but a little scary. Also, I think you mentioned Cambridge Audio CD players. Perhaps they have changed but the six year old player I sometimes use is not gapless. It is great for 98 percent of the CD's I play but for 2 percent, like the last half of the Beatles' Abbey Road it's annoying.
@melprophet1936
Жыл бұрын
I have the Rotel CD-11 Tribute. When I bought it from Crutchfield, the drawer closed automatically anywhere between 10 and 20 seconds after it was opened. It was different every time. I contacted Crutchfield, and they spoke to Rotel which said that wasn't normal. It's programmed to stay open for 1 minute. They took mine back and exchanged and the replacement is fine.
@janath9118
Жыл бұрын
I had Marantz CD 6001 CD Player which has the same feature of automatic drawer closing. But I found this feature as a bit of a hassle, because it sometimes takes a while longer for us to decide which CD to play next. Therefore this feature must be included as a switchable option.
@waltergist8923
Жыл бұрын
@@melprophet1936 Interesting. I think the issue with mine is more like a minute. I'll have to check. Mine is from Crutchfield as well but I didn't think about sending it back. I am trying to cultivate the habit of deciding on what I want to play before opening the drawer.
@pliedtka
8 ай бұрын
Some of the Cambridge machines unfortunately don't play gaplessly, be aware.
@randomsuper
Жыл бұрын
Coax out into a quality dac can sound amazingly good. I still listen to cd's from my Sony 400 disc cd/dvd/sacd changer into a SMSL dac. The sound quality is better than what I get listening to the same material on Qobuz.
@josephb8268
10 ай бұрын
Millennials are very familiar with CDs and remember them well. And some of us are getting sick of "you will own nothing and be happy."
@MichaelLivingston-me
Жыл бұрын
I recently bought a Pioneer Elite DVD / SACD player. I use the coaxial output to connect into my Onkyo 7.2 receiver. I'm very satisfied with the sound quality just listening to CDs.
@noturnleftunstoned72
Ай бұрын
Is the DVD still kickin' around?! I'm looking for a Pioneer 'Elite' series DVD player currently. The amount of positive reviews and comments for the 'Elite' players as a transport are overwhelmingly positive. I just hope I can find a goo enough price.
@pokepress
9 ай бұрын
One thing that might better illustrate the difference between the DACs is to record the audio that comes out of the RCA jacks, import that into a computer, and show the differences that way.
@ferrograph
8 ай бұрын
Better still show measurements from an audio analyser. I find these kind of comparisons extremely ignorant of how minute and inaudible the differences actually are.
@yuketerror3196
3 ай бұрын
as a cd lover i hate you for torturing the dvd player , just for a content its making my blood boil
@maximo90019
Жыл бұрын
Today’s debate and honest discussion is your competitive advantage over any other media form on the subject. Keep it coming!!
@pedge66
Жыл бұрын
To be honest I’m a bit shocked that the emotiva CD player doesn’t play gap less, very annoying if you’re listening to Dirty Deeds for example. I recently shelled out on the Audiolab 7000cdt and have noticed a real improvement from my old Marantz 63 running through the same J2 dac
@llchristubell
Жыл бұрын
Agreed. No CD player should put gaps in.
@rauldon4596
Жыл бұрын
Nice. I own the audiolab 9000CDT. An end game.
@bgroovin1343
Жыл бұрын
That was the exact reason I didn't purchase the emotiva. I wasn't looking for anything fancy since I was going to use it as a transport anyways. My only criteria were coax out and gapless. Ended up buying a Yamaha unit.
@bgroovin1343
Жыл бұрын
@@rauldon4596if I ever upgrade I think that is what I'm going to get.
@pedge66
Жыл бұрын
@@rauldon4596 I bet
@albertochalbaud2643
9 ай бұрын
Great Idea, my old 1988 Technics CD player passed. I hooked up a Samsung BD J 5700. Long story short, it's spdif output sucks, and then I conducted the signal through HDMI to the RZ series from Onkyo and what a difference. Now I can hear a very detail playback on my B&Ws.
@Brian_Romska
Жыл бұрын
Ok, I’ll bust out our old dvd/cd player hook up the J2 and listen to that Quad City DJ’s cd and see what happens 😊thanks again Randy! Hopefully no ‘stalker vibes’ this time, ha!
@pascalmartin1891
9 ай бұрын
The digital output of a CD/DVD transport is simply the original stream of 16 bits / 44.1 KHz data that was written to the disk. My bet is that you will find that there is the exact same data getting out off both. There might be some differences, though, but do they matter? Uncorrected read errors can create distortion. The rate or errors may depend on the mechanical quality (low error tolerances mean better alignment and less tracking errors), or on the electronic circuits used for the tracking. To reproduce a (higher capacity) DVD decently, the overall tracking needs to be better than what is needed for a (lower capacity) CD anyway. I would not expect a high rate of CD tracking errors from a DVD player. A high end CD player might over-sample: generate new 16 bit values between the original one, based on a linear or Bezier interpolation algorithm. However I would expect an high-end DAC to do this, not the transport. [Edit] Equipment mechanical noise: a cheap equipment is more likely to be noisy, as an effect of more lenient manufacturing tolerances. That could be the one criteria when selecting a DVD player.. Hide the DVD player in a closed space and you will hardly notice. Overall, I am not sure how the sound quality could really be impacted in any way by the CD transport, especially when using a high-end DAC. The high-end CD transport likely has better mechanical components, which should translate to better longevity. Since I do not expect to live beyond 100 years old, this might be moot at that point, even if I have to replace the DVD player every few years. 🙂 I would not buy a CD transport at $600, but spend more money on the speakers instead.
@Roni-u2c
11 күн бұрын
The sound quality is much better when listening to a CD compared to a ripped CD to a WAV file.......... Thank you
@Alamo-cz5xc
Жыл бұрын
I bought a Denafrips Terminator 2 at Goodwill yesterday for $25. They thought it was an old cable box. 😅😅
@net_news
Жыл бұрын
hahah you have an incredible imagination
@illsubmarine
Жыл бұрын
Not sure if you’ve ever mentioned this on your channel but I use a first gen ps1 as my cd player and it is amazing
@dotJata
Жыл бұрын
I've got one for that too. Lol I just rarely use CDs
@Brzeczyszczykiewicz666
Жыл бұрын
You need first gen ps1 with RCA. Hard to find working one.
@illsubmarine
Жыл бұрын
@@Brzeczyszczykiewicz666yes true they aren’t impossible to find but you may pay a premium but still cheaper than really any decent cd player. I found mine on eBay for $70 and that seems to be the average.
@cheapaudioman
Жыл бұрын
I've seen those on instagram... they look super cool
@pedge66
Жыл бұрын
The problem I see with using the ps1 (mark on Hifi does a good breakdown) and DVD players is a lack of control screen unless you plug them into a telly
@ant0128
6 ай бұрын
I use my Xbox One S as a CD player. There's an optical connection that can be used. Sounds great to my ears
@automaticraccon
6 ай бұрын
Well, you could use the coaxial out and let the amp do the DAC work. That would save you € 583 you could spend more on a better amplifier. EDIT: you did mention it in the end. My audio engineer mind immediately jumped to that in the beginning. What I doubt is that you can hear the difference between the Sony and Rotel if you bypass their DAC alltogether. Maybe the Sony might have worse error correction while reading CDs but I severely doubt that.
@stevef6392
Жыл бұрын
I remember this! Back in 90s, a lot of people "in the know" recommended using LaserDisc players as CD transports. IIRC, it was because the motors needed to rev up LDs were just so much better than the comparatively tiny ones used in dedicated CD players. I remember using the toslink on my Pioneer LD back in the day and being totally gobsmacked that the tiny, seemingly unblinking red light inside that jack was transferring all of that lovely CD/LD audio to the amp.
@JohnScheppler
Жыл бұрын
Best part about physical media over streaming is when you have a baby they can be made into a great baby mobile for hours of entertainment and enjoyment.
@stevezeidman7224
Жыл бұрын
Awesome John😂
@docox27
Жыл бұрын
Thrift stores and used CD stores are a great source to find them for as low as $2
@anonamouse5917
7 ай бұрын
Techmoan had a method that takes all the guesswork and biases out of the equation. Record the SP/DIF signals from competing products and compare them using audacity. Line them up, invert one, then combine them. If they are identical you will be left with a flat line.
@markwiygul6356
5 ай бұрын
I collect CDs, put them in plastic sleeves (jewel case and digipaks included) and then in protective boxes. This is my collection and proud to show them off to admiring fans of album collecting. But, I don't listen to CDs live. I rip them to my hard drive from computer, stored in folders by artists, then subfolders by actual albums, I play the albums from media players using bluetooth to a bluetooth receiver connected via RCA to standard stereo receiver. Then to traditional stereo speakers. It's definitely the speakers that an an audiophile should focus on spending their fortune. For vinyl record players, the needle was the audiophile focus. With CD album players, the audiphile focus is on DAC. But if you aren't converting to analog, if you are ripping to digital files like me, then avoid that concern altogether and save hundreds. Spend your money on hard drives and computers and get a little computer savy again. The files can be bluetoothed to smartphone or stereo or car's bluetooth. So convenient. But whatever, start collecting albums again because streaming services will not preserve your memories as you age. What you listened to as a youth will be lost forever, along with your culture. Youth won't even be able to remember what tunes they listened to if they depend on streaming services. In fact, they will be erased, their culture and lifestyle and mores. Start collecting albums. Spend money on that. Don't spend a dime on streaming services
@mark-v5z
Жыл бұрын
I own the Cambridge Audio AXC35 and play new CDs on it as well as CDs that I've owned for 40 years. I have only one fairly big dislike about it in that it is not very forgiving of slight scratches or smudges on the playable surface. I admit that I have some discs that I don't expect to work but others that only have slight scuffs and will error out and skip while being played. For this reason, I'll be looking for another CD player. Also, I own that Sony DVD player... I agree, it sounds HORRIBLE using it's internal DAC. I used it in my garage while I work on cars or other stuff and even then, as background music, I notice the general... hollowness of the sound. Perhaps I'll invest in an inexpensive external DAC and try it again.
@pokepress
9 ай бұрын
Beyond the DAC, the main difference I’d expect between lower and higher priced models would be durability of the components
@blackpearl2133
Жыл бұрын
I have this exact DVD player hooked up to a Sony STRDH190 receiver. I’ve always thought it was good enough, but your video now has me thinking otherwise. I’m assuming I’d have to have a DAC since there are no digital inputs on the receiver. Can you recommend a decent DAC that doesn’t cost too much. Thanks!
@OrganNLou
Жыл бұрын
Rotel has always made great sounding components!
@daleromney6062
11 ай бұрын
What you say is true, however, there are a lot of things you get with the higher quality CD player. Build quality counts too. Which you are saying too.
@daviddunmore7076
Жыл бұрын
I have quite a few CD and DVDs (and all my digital music is on 3 independent Hard disks and at least two forms of removable media) This is what happens when you've been a network admin
@pliedtka
8 ай бұрын
No gapless playback with Emotiva - it hurts. Also Cambridge has similar problem, while my 20yr old Pioneer DVD and almost 30yr Sony don't have this issue. Plus the ancient Sony a front panel full of features that you won't find in today's playback devices like indexing. Now a very interesting fact - all my playback devices sound a bit different via Toslink or Optical out into older, big Denon Receiver (BB Dacs), the biggest offender is a Panasonic BD player. Searching my memory Rotel made very competitive CD players, starting with class leaders 30yrs ago: almost identical looking devices but different DACs: one used newer Bitstream (RDC-965) and other traditional multibit DAC (855/955).
@lanx0003
8 ай бұрын
I appreciate the host, but I dislike the way he disrespects the gears by dragging its tail and dangling it in the air.
@EastAngliaUK
9 ай бұрын
was given a nice Denon DCD-F101 CD Player last week it only needs a new belt which should come this week to get going. the amp is nice too.
@yourpalfranc
Жыл бұрын
I run CDs being spun on a Panasonic UB-420 through the optical input of my Wiim Pro and love it!! I have an older Sony DVD player (90s vintage) that works well, too!! ~Frank
@dry509
8 ай бұрын
Not only the dac but the analog output section of the dac is extremely important.
@ChrisStoneinator
3 ай бұрын
Exactly! If I hear one more person mention DAC chip model numbers like they mean fuck all, or talk about how all DACs are the same, I'm gonna scream
@martinclift3843
Жыл бұрын
Love the honesty - "if i was blindfolded, I'd struggle to tell the difference". It's what a lot of us suspected. Good on you for saying it.
@jjchmiel78
Жыл бұрын
I like how you pointed out the digital transport aspect. Same goes with SACD when paired with a receiver/processor that supports DSD. I personally enjoy music better in my setup using my Marantz DAC for both CD and SACD using room correction and my sub integration rather than Direct analog or taking the analog into digital for room correction and then back out to analog. I use a Reavon UBR-X200 for both video and audio and they to have Texas Instruments DACs only 192kHz though. My mains are old school JBL S312
@mohammedalomari1998
9 ай бұрын
Thanks I'm surprised how cheap Sony sounds the same as expensive Rotel when you use them as transport. Thank you
@carmelovillena6174
2 ай бұрын
Yes its true but the point is the cd player is dedicated and focus on sound only no blah blah
@vincentrockel1149
Жыл бұрын
I shop at the thrift stores for my cd's. I have to really want it to pay more than 2 bucks. Same for my stereo equipment. Just picked up a pair of phase technology speakers for 15$ and a pioneer receiver, middle of the elite line for 20$. I got an oppo dvd for 3$ lol.
@dtracy03ss
Жыл бұрын
Even with the digital output I seriously doubt it compares, the actual reading of the CD and the Quietness of the disc drive is where the difference is but you are correct the Digital output Makes a Huge difference on the Junkers and "Cheap" players
@Supersammy22-z7d5k
Ай бұрын
back in the late-90s early-2000s people back then had to use a cd on a dvd player on the tv cuz we didnt have KZitem back then to play any music like that so if we wanted to listing to music on a tv we world use a dvd player
@olegbabich7182
Жыл бұрын
1st generation Sony Play Station is my choice for workshop CD Player
@michaelkaasbundgaard7798
Жыл бұрын
I think you should have more about cd-players ! What about Denon DCD 900NE ???
@mmmbbq
Жыл бұрын
Here's what ya do.... Get a $6 Sony BR player that does SACD's. You can output DSD directly into your AVR. If you don't use an AVR for music (I don't), you get yourself an HDMI breakout box that outputs i2s or DoP over coax. Then you can extract the pure DSD out of your SCAD's and feed that into a DAC that can handle it. It's tricky, but it does work. And, the Sony players can read SACD images, so you can play those burned SACD iso's you download off the "dark web". Ok, not really the dark web.
@cefarther3945
10 ай бұрын
I've got an old DVD player and was hoping to see how to use desktop computer speakers with it, lots of questions.
@gizmo903
Жыл бұрын
This is a great topic thanks for covering it!
@Synthematix
10 ай бұрын
The great thing is all CD players with a digital output can play DTS 5.1 audio CD's, Philips made the best CD players
@musicman8270
Жыл бұрын
Sometimes the coax out comes from the cheap onboard dac. When I first listened to my Cambridge transport it sounded a lot better. A transport is the only way to go
@CounterRhythms
11 ай бұрын
Are you telling me that a $650 CD player doesn't have gapless playback? 🤔 My old Technics players still kick ass. I'll stick with those as long as possible.
@matrix10311974
8 ай бұрын
How do you feel about cheaper DVD players that play SACD compared to higher priced CD players that play SACD? PS I love the program.
@jeffwalther
Жыл бұрын
I have the same Sony DVD player that you have and it's internal DAC sounds better then the crap Prozor DAC that you recommended a couple of years ago.
@TheMrDrMs
Жыл бұрын
Millennials? Don't know CDs? I'm offended lol, I grew up with my mom playing vinyls, 8-track, and cassettes. Then CD players. Then MP3 player, and iPod. I finally upgraded my home audio setup, (Luxman M-113 and Marantz NR1602) and added an Onkyo DX-C390. I'm trying to convince myself to leave it setup through the marantz (digital coax, optical is taken up on the marantz), but the onboard DAC is actually good. I cannot hear the difference between the Onkyo and the Marantz. Admittedly Marantz NR1602 isn't very good, so the bar is low. Avant AS2 and Hafler M5. Edit: Marantz goes to pre-amp/mixer, and cd player when using onboard DAC goes direct to the mixer bypassing the Marantz in my comparison.
@tkusterb
9 ай бұрын
Well, it's about 1/20 the cost of the player but then you have to add in a DAC, right? That'll probably be at least another 100.
@ltfringr
2 ай бұрын
My DVD player was cheaper than the record I bought that day
@user-qr7ee2cp4y
9 ай бұрын
What DAC did you hook that "high quality Sony DVD player" up to?
@stevengagnon4777
Жыл бұрын
Used to use a Play Station (the original one) for my system at my job. That did sound pretty good. That system by the way was big , loud and very detailed. And a sound stage as big as a stage.
@jameskyler5441
Жыл бұрын
I would like to see how it compares to an OPPO BDP. They are mo longer being manufactured but are much better than Rotel.
@keithmulkey3352
Жыл бұрын
His 5 year old must have told him it would be hilarious to repeatedly swing that DVD play by the cord
@laranolles1762
Жыл бұрын
Harman Kardon used to make very well sounding DVD Players: the DVD 22 or DVD 23. Here in Europe, you can buy these on the second hand market for just 20 Euro’s!
@RogerBergqvist
Жыл бұрын
The Sony: If you use the Coaxial digital out to an amp with a better dac. It might work. It becomes a drive only.
@Wordsalad69420
7 ай бұрын
You buy a CD player because it’s dedicated to playing CDs and they look amazing. DVD players generally don’t have buttons on the unit. Their remotes are a hot mess. They they’re just plain ugly.
@natanpierce495
8 ай бұрын
OK- the only hitch in the giddy-up is what I am having issues with. And that is test of time. EVERY one of my fricken DVD players and CD players is having the exact same issues. I am now on my 7th DVD player since 2004, and my (I don't know how many CD players- more than 10 since 1989) NAD CD players, NAD CD player/recorder, Rotel CD players and now an older Rotel DVD /CD player- and a mass of DVD/ VHS players. (Sony, JVC, RCA, Magnavox, Onkyo, Toshiba, Teac) They all are plagued with the same issues. The disc starts to skip after a while and the drawers do not open nor close and now my Rotel is not opening with a DVD disc in it. So before you go on about what one does and the other doesn't do, why not test over time and see if it continues to work after a few years.
@lawrencemonaghan926
5 ай бұрын
Got a music fidelity Electra e600, had it since 97, would never swap it I don't think 🤔
@graemeking7336
10 ай бұрын
The weak link in my system is my hearing
@tubinonyou
Жыл бұрын
I am appalled to learn that there is a $650 CD player that does not support gapless playback. It's almost hard to believe that could occur.
@rosemeyer1939
Жыл бұрын
It seems to fail to meet the most basic 'cd player standard'. Gapless playback has been a standard feature of CDs and players since waaaaaay back when.
@crodoc69
Жыл бұрын
I have Marantz cd6007 and there is no gapless playback either. Call me old fashioned, but I don't like that feature. I like to have pause between tracks.
@tubinonyou
Жыл бұрын
@@crodoc69 I don't even view that as a feature... Not having it seems like a huge oversight to me. Imagine listening to Dark Side of the Moon and having it interrupted with a couple seconds of silence several times. Yuck!
@voltare2amstereo
Жыл бұрын
@@crodoc69some songs are ment to follow gap less. Eg pink Floyd the wall
@crodoc69
Жыл бұрын
@@tubinonyou @voltare2amstereo If you want to enjoy real Pink Floyd you should then listen on first press vinyl. Everything on CD is remastered. And vinyl has gaps. That's how Pink Floyd made their songs and albums. And concerts.
@larryh9525
Жыл бұрын
It's amazing that when you connect something like the Sony to a DAC it becomes a photo-finish with a product like the Rotel. Mating the Sony to an SMSL-SU1 would create an amazing system for $100. That's astounding. This would make an interesting test, get a Wiim Mini and connect it optically to the SU1 (running Amazon Music HD) and connect the Sony to the coax input of the SU1. Play the same track and compare the sound. I'd bet it's a lot closer than you'd imagine.
@Brian_Romska
Жыл бұрын
That’s sounds like a fun afternoon for a nerd like us! I have a WiiM too and I think I’ll give that a shot😊
@trevor245
Жыл бұрын
I mean what do you expect? There is not much gain to be had in the digital part of the cd player. Obviously it's going to sound the same using the same dac.
@tesmith47
Жыл бұрын
The popular commercial music doesn't really deserve
@MALI1185
Жыл бұрын
I'm a millennial born in 1985, and I still listen to CDs. In my room, I have a Marantz CD5004 hooked up to an old Harman/Kardon HK3480 stereo receiver, and not only that, I take good care of my CDs, with putting them back in their cases when done listening to them. I don't leave them out in the hot sun or anything, nor do I leave them in the car.
@MALI1185
Жыл бұрын
Oh yeh, and I may still be learning as a young audiophile, but GEE, ask me if i'm surprised that the Rotel trounced the Sony DVD player.
@brysonfitzgerald5238
Ай бұрын
We must be twins. I too was born in 1985, and I have a substantial CD collection. I've only recently started downloading hi-res files, but I learned my lesson to watch out for hi-res releases that have also been remastered.... most are awful! For the most part, a good old CD played through decent gear can be stunning.... sometimes, things are just done right the first time around!
@charliedemottwildey8575
Ай бұрын
CDs were a HUGE part of the millennial experience. I got CDs for christmas every year, burned and swaped DVDs with friends all the time.
@gazzmanp
Жыл бұрын
I bought a 50 dollar Sony Blu ray player with only a coax out for this very purpose. Works great and sounds great.
@jerryrodriguez5431
Жыл бұрын
Nice video Randy. I picked up a Sony DVD/CD player at Savers for $10. I'm running it through the DAC in my NuForce integrated, and it sounds pretty darn good. Not to mention, I can buy used (but like new) CDs at my local record store for $4 or $5. At some point, CDs may become cool again, and future hipsters will start buying them up.
@Fablemahn
Ай бұрын
@@jerryrodriguez5431 YES EXACTLY!!
@Ben12670
Жыл бұрын
My fridge just died. I had to replace it. It wasn't six hundred bucks and it feeds me and my family. A lot of "audiophile" stuff is a total grift. Go to a thrift store. Get a cd player for ten bucks. Done. Boutique audio is a man-baby with money d*@k measuring contest. Don't be duped. It doesn't matter. No non-audio nerds will notice the difference or care about your gear. Just put some good tunes on and get me a beer out of that fridge.
@mechantl0up
2 ай бұрын
No, no, no. In a cheap player the DAC is not the issue, but the cheap analog output stage op amps, capacitors, and the noise generating circuitry around the DAC. The DAC is the only thing in that player you need not worry about.
@josephpardue6277
Жыл бұрын
I did not want just a CD player, I wanted player that did SD Audio as well. So I bought the Sony UBP-X700/M, which is a 4K Blu-Ray player/Streamer/DVD/CD/SA CD player for less than $200. Love you videos Randy!
@jeremi96221
Жыл бұрын
I'm planning of going that route, any complaint with the player? does it have gapless?
@tjblues01
11 ай бұрын
@@jeremi96221 I have X800... No complaints per se... but there are few things worth to mention. Digital out does uncompressed 24/192 but only in 2 channels. If you want to play multichannel SACDs you have to use HDMI. And if your AVR / processor does not support DSD through HDMI then you are "limited" to 24/176.4 PCM. I don't use this player as a streamer.. but it's WiFi is not the strongest (or my unit is faulty?). It doesn't have a display. So you have to have a TV (or PC) hooked up to it. cheers
@Pidalin
2 ай бұрын
@@tjblues01 If digital out doesn't support more than stereo, then it's pointless to have it on blu-ray player. I think there must be some settings, it makes no sense to me, modern 5.1 amplifiers don't even have separate inputs for separate channels, there is sometimes just optical/coaxial in, so it must support 5.1
@tjblues01
2 ай бұрын
@@Pidalin To be clear, I said: "Digital out does *uncompressed* 24/192 but only in 2 channels." Digital coax supports *compressed* 5.1.
@GadZookz
Жыл бұрын
CDs are the best choice for the post apocalyptic lifestyle provided they don’t get melted and your player survives the EMP. Better enlarge the bunker though. A few thousand CD cases means less room for those delicious canned beans.
@GoggleAX
Жыл бұрын
😂😂😂
@cheapaudioman
Жыл бұрын
keep it in a faraday cage and you're all good
@1mctous
Жыл бұрын
Your bunker mates will thank you later for eating those beans😉
@GadZookz
Жыл бұрын
@@cheapaudioman How about a ferret cage instead? The ferrets can go build their own bunker.
@ProfessorHamer
Жыл бұрын
No, a portable DAP with microsd card is
@UTILITARIANTVUK
Жыл бұрын
I've performed this test with a Sony UBP x800 4k Blu-ray player , using it as a CD transport only. It sounded as good as any CD player I've ever had.
@michaelkeefer4293
Жыл бұрын
I bought a "high quality" Sony Blu-Ray player a few weeks ago to mostly play CDs on my home office system. I'm running the coaxial output into a Fosi Audio DAC-Q4 and it sounds pretty darn good to my ears, certainly more than good enough for spinning CDs while I work. 👍
@EzeeLinux
Жыл бұрын
$600 plus for a CD player that puts gaps between tracks? No thanks... That's just stupid. CD's were meant to play continuously.
@mechantl0up
2 ай бұрын
Millenials don’t know CDs? Every female millennial I know spent her youth buying boy band CDs, and some, like I, even had cassettes. The oldest millennials were born in the early 1980s by the American definition. Like I, they have probably seen and used vinyl players at home.
@mr.jazzfusionhiphop1298
Жыл бұрын
Recently bought the Sony BDP-BX370 for $35.00 to replace a broken Blu-ray player. To my surprise CD's sound great and it even has Optical and Coaxial inputs. Can't see spending $600.when I can put a Flac file on a USB and get CD sound quality.
@allanflippin2453
Жыл бұрын
Randy, There is one factor affecting results from cheap DVD/CD players: How they deal with disc defects. Once a CD starts going wonky, the quality of the transport makes a lot of difference. A cheap one may mistrack horribly while a better one can play it without any problem. Also, there's the issue of CD/RW. Many cheap players can't deal with these, while a quality CD drive or transport has no problem.
@dtracy03ss
Жыл бұрын
Also keep in mind everyone that a Quality CD player will normally have Firmware updates available even when you buy a Brand New unit it is Always good to check. Yamaha Midrange CD players that Skip on some CDs are not Defective but need the latest update!
@maximilianmustermann5763
Жыл бұрын
That's why I only rip CDs to Flac with Exact Audio Copy. You never know how much error correction the player or transport applies. It's amazing how many errors a cd player can mask by "guessing" the bits that it can't read correctly. It takes hundreds of those errors until you will actually hear a significant distortion or weird sound. When you rip with EAC in secure mode, the drive reads every sector twice and in the event of a mismatch, keeps reading that sector until it gets a match. In the end, the result hashes are compared with two online databases. If you get positive matches from both databases, the chance of reading errors is basically zero. The only downside of EAC secure mode is that it's rather slow on drives that buffer audio. And unfortunately, you can't really find any new DVD/Bluray drives anymore that don't buffer audio. I am lucky to still own two DVD burner that don't buffer audio, so I can rip with 20x speed in secure mode.
@allanflippin2453
Жыл бұрын
@@maximilianmustermann5763 Thanks. Very interesting!
@lukasg4807
8 ай бұрын
@@maximilianmustermann5763 It doesn't "guess" any data, it's redundant data on the disc.
@fnagdungdagint
3 ай бұрын
You are a genious! I was despairing because Electrocompaniet does not have a matching cd player to the ECI 80D. I might just skip buying a dedicated cd player and just use the friggin old PS3 as a transport! The ECI 80D have plenty of digital connections.
@laurijss
Жыл бұрын
Why those expensive no name cd players are so ugly? Better use Sony or other japanese dedicated CD player from early 2000.
@manchesterexplorer8519
Жыл бұрын
Exactly as that's all you need as people just buy into the hype . For example The Sony Playstation 1 and 2 are highly regarded as the best sounding CD players ever made . I've had Marantz and Harmon Kardon CD players in the past that were a complete and total waste of money as my Sony CD-player that I nabbed at a thrift store for $10 sounds just as good if not better . CD players are old tech that peaked many years ago .
@Pidalin
2 ай бұрын
When you use digital out from that DVD player, it can't play worse than your expensive hi-fi player. I want to buy a blu-ray player and I will use it even for playing music CDs because why not, it works and I don't believe that 500 eur CD player is better. Also, you can buy pretty good "hi-fi like" blu-ray player that is still cheaper than hi-fi just CD players. Most of newer amplifiers have coaxial digital in and these players also mostly have it and you don't need that port for anything else, so you should use it and use DAC from your good amplifier.
@nakjamkas1
9 ай бұрын
The way he takes the Sony DVD player through the cable is very annoying, it's almost as if he wanted to show contempt or disgust for anyone who has one of those DVD players.
@TheFilm2011
9 ай бұрын
Stop dangling the deck, very distracting, we get it ok we get it ok stop!
@MikeDS49
Жыл бұрын
I need to see proof that the digital stream out of really high end transports are digitally superior than a very cheap one. If they did, how do CD-ROMs work 100% of the time over all computer transports? I've used used DVD players as transports for a few years into the DAC of a NAD T755 or Yamaha RX-797. Some players out of the early 2000s look pretty sweet, with all the transport controls on front and with a relatively informative VF display. That said, nothing beats the tactile feel of a nice CD player with a big informative display, a solid, smooth gliding tray and immediate actions after a button is pressed. Besides the UX, I do not think there is any difference.
@beammeupscotty1955
2 ай бұрын
I am beginning to think that I am the only person who buys and downloads on line, stores master copies on my computer and transfers copies to my phone for day to day use. I'm sorry Randy, but there is no way I am ever going back to physical audio storage media like CDs and , heaven forbid, vinyl or worse, any sort of cassette. Never ever. Next thing you know the hot audiophile medium will be 8 track.
@rockyhill9965
2 ай бұрын
The 105 degree electrolytic caps (w low ESR) bring out the complex midrange in my string quartet LPs. ------- not really------------
@kjhajueg_2731
2 ай бұрын
With external DAC there is NO WAY you can hear any difference as the data coming from the CD transports is digital and absolutely equivalent between whichever CD transport you choose.
@dexon555
Жыл бұрын
The benefits of a dedicated CD player vs a DVD play is the basic operation. For example the DVD player takes a lot longer to read the CD and make it available to play, also the controls on DVD players are very minimal at best, because it’s designed for TV menu use and remote use only. On a dedicated CD player, the dis is available to play very quickly and you can quickly use the play and skip buttons before you leave the machine for your listening position. DVD players are also loud during play back (especially the cheap examples) so if you are listening to music playback at lower levels or quieter sections of the music, you can clearly hear the whirring in a loud annoying manner. I own the Rotel CD11 Tribute and I’m absolutely in love with the quality of the sound. If you love CDs (like I do) there is no substitute for a dedicated CD player.
@tango_gru
9 ай бұрын
Buy a decent quality CD transport and instead of putting money into a quality CD player put the money into a Nice DAC. Theoretically this should make you change your mind.
@superunknown2812
8 ай бұрын
@@tango_gruI agree
@36424567254
4 ай бұрын
@@tango_gru problem is, no one sells affordable cd transports, which is stupid. If you want to spend less than like 600++€ for just reading cds, you actually have to pay for DACs twice in most systems since most amps already have a DAC and so do most affordable cd players.
@tango_gru
4 ай бұрын
@@36424567254 if you a power amplifier instead of an integrated amplifier then you will always have a better and cheaper system. You will avoid one DAC more also.
@Pidalin
2 ай бұрын
Yeah, these are valid points, my father has some CD player from Pioneer and when you close it, it starts playing in like 2 seconds and it's absolutely silent.
@alexanderg26
Жыл бұрын
As a child growing up in the 80's I feel you on the nomenclature of CD player vs transport. Never heard the term until a couple years ago and just thought people were saying it wrong. And never bothered to look up the difference..... The more you know... hehehe
@markwilliams5792
6 ай бұрын
Let’s be honest When you listen to anything by Metallica after the Black Album it’s all Trash
@quatrodenovembro
8 ай бұрын
All good, but doing a audio fidelity test with a modern Metallica album, with all the loudness war that dominates the industry?
@tastenhengst
6 ай бұрын
Seriously. This video could've been half the time had you stopped repeating this silly "high quality Sony dvd player" line. Anyways. Thanks for the info.
@JohanDee
4 ай бұрын
True, but it was funny! 😂
@iancurrie8844
Жыл бұрын
Running the HDMI from a blue ray player into your receiver would also be equivalent to the SPDIF, wouldn’t it?
@ChrisStoneinator
3 ай бұрын
Not a big fan of HDMI as an audio interface, unless it's I2S or you have isolation and reclocking in the chain. Mind you, you'd probably want to do the same with coax SPDIF unless the device outputting the signal has it covered.
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