I think the one thing that has made a united Earth difficult is a fear of the erosion of cultural and national identity. In Star trek it was a delicate balance between uniting nations of earth and maintaining a rich and culturally diverse population.
@definitlynotbenlente7671
Жыл бұрын
National identity is just a archaic form of tribalism my group is better than your group And i believe we need to get rid of that but i am not arguing that everyone should think the same everyone should still have the freedom of religion and to exspress themselfs but nationalism is something i personally do not understand why it is so inportant to people we are all from earth and people are people no matter where you are and most diferences are not that big in the grant scheme of things why should someone born in a diferent geographical location be worth less or deserve less than someone down the street we all want happy lives and everyone deserves to have a life free of extreme violence war and starvation
@mesner5x
11 ай бұрын
@@definitlynotbenlente7671 That is the point I was trying to make. People of the 21st century don’t all see everyone as the same. Cultural differences, geographical differences, Wealth, power, identity. All things that contribute to the mindset of division. There have to be aspects and niches of different cultures that would need to be sacrificed in order for a uniform Earth government to exist. In a world where people want more, more money, a higher status, more recourses, and where those things are scarce, it is very difficult for people to unite.
@definitlynotbenlente7671
11 ай бұрын
@@mesner5x and i se no problem on sacrificing those cultural things if it means world peace
@purpledevilr7463
6 ай бұрын
@@definitlynotbenlente7671then you believe in genocide.
@definitlynotbenlente7671
6 ай бұрын
@@purpledevilr7463 i never said anything about murderibg incicebt people
@Psyk60
Жыл бұрын
I always figured United Earth was a federation of nations within the United Federation of Planets. Presumably with some of those nations being federations themselves. So many levels of federations!
@frodo4627
Жыл бұрын
That's the beauty of democratic federalism! You can break it down at any level that is most effective for governance while still retaining some degree of sovereignty between layers.
@MastemaJack
Жыл бұрын
It would be the only way I think the common people would accept a global government. They would have to be either a federation or a republic for representation. Republics and federations are fairly similar.
@RickReasonnz
Жыл бұрын
It's federations all the way down!
@Vysair
2 ай бұрын
basically the EU but on the galactic scale
@NPCN-dd8hg
27 күн бұрын
That doesn't make sense. There is a Federation (united Federation of planet), that is Made of Federations (united earth), that have a confederation within (African confederation)? How can a confederation exist within a Federation?
@patecar20
Жыл бұрын
One of the biggest factors not mentioned is the fact after warp drive became common there was a mass exodus of people. This is shown in the show all the time with lost colonys. The option to just leave is one many would take. This probably thinned out a lot of problematic groups. Thus making change a lot easier. The colonization of just the home system would greatly thin numbers. The power to just leave, and start over somewhere unsettled, is something we haven't had since colonization time.
@suzygirl1843
Жыл бұрын
Firefly is a more accurate space future than Star Trek
@noblej7897
Жыл бұрын
Yep sign me up to leave earth politics behind.
@RobinTheBot
5 ай бұрын
Yeah, well, that didn't do that in Europe ... It lead directly to WW1, actually. I don't think "get rid of people" has ever actually ended up a solution.
@ScoobySnacksYum
4 ай бұрын
@@suzygirl1843 Firefly's Earth did not have Vulcans to intervene. Earth was a mess when the Vulcan arrived, still suffering from the collapse of governments, environment, etc. Humans could not pull Earth back from the post-apocalyptic nightmare. The technology to repair the environment from radiation and other toxins, synthesize food, etc. came from the Vulcans. Firefly's humans carried the same mindset that doomed their Earth to their new worlds. The same worldview that is dooming our world: hate, greed, lust for power, etc.
@STSWB5SG1FAN
4 ай бұрын
@@noblej7897 Unfortunately, our politics would come with us.
@tsgreene2
Жыл бұрын
How the hell has this channel not become huge yet, love your content
@Squidgit957
Жыл бұрын
If I had a guess it may have something to do with the KZitem algorithm's tendency to suppress videos with swearing
@beepboop204
Жыл бұрын
needs more "all the way" jokes
@ZeddZul
Жыл бұрын
Totally
@OrangeRiver
Жыл бұрын
KZitem doesn't want me to get the truth out About what, you ask? My answer: "Yes"
@beepboop204
Жыл бұрын
@@OrangeRiver reading is too hard, can you make a short addressing this?
@brandonb1681
Жыл бұрын
My dad said that Dr. McCoy was a descendant of the original Hatfields and McCoys. As someone who is from that area, that is cool.
@vitovitale8325
Жыл бұрын
I believe I heard this also, I just don't remember where. 🙏🙂🖖V3
@SciHeartJourney
Жыл бұрын
In This Side of Paradise, we get to see McCoy's southern drawl; all he needed was the Mint Julep to complete that picture. I'm not surprised he was one of those inbreds that couldn't let go of their hate.
@I_am_a_cat_
Жыл бұрын
Dr. Mccoy is a fictional character.... they (the writers) can say his ancestors are literally anyone they want. What's cool about that? They could say he's a descendant of Hitler or Einstein, too. So what?
@ArchOfWinter
Жыл бұрын
I was perplexed when I was early in the fandom that there isn't a United Sol government made up by different planetary bodies with the hierarchy of what orbits which planet. But after understanding how early first contact was compared to colonization of Sol, it makes sense since the need for say Mars or other planets and moons to be independent is less necessary to an Expanse like scenario.
@jts1702a
Жыл бұрын
I believe at least in beta canon, humans comprise of at least 3 member seats in the UFP because UE, Mars, and Alpha Centauri are separate planetary governments.
@aoki6332
Жыл бұрын
@@jts1702a Luna, Mars, Earth and Alpha Century are all member worlds if im not wrong
@ScoobySnacksYum
4 ай бұрын
The weird thing in Discovery's 32nd Century is how under populated the Sol system is.
@OrderofthePipe
Жыл бұрын
I wonder if they’re still trying to vote for the Speaker of the House in the 22nd century. 🤔
@jimi1701a
Жыл бұрын
Hahahaha excellent 🤣
@sethmaki1333
Жыл бұрын
With how much of a shitshow mess the GOP has become, I wouldn't be surprised.
@BTScriviner
Жыл бұрын
Kevin McCarthy is just a head in a jar by then.
@Cornelius798
Жыл бұрын
🤣🤣🤣
@bipolarminddroppings
Жыл бұрын
Good joke lol. But Nah, the United Earth would have a Speaker like the UK, non-partisan and elected to represent the House, not the majority party.
@bjorn00000
Жыл бұрын
Regarding population change and world governments, a huge consideration here too is that beyond the loss of 30% of the world population during World War III and afterward ("Strange New Worlds") in major cities (First Contact), there was also a *massive* push for colonization and resettlement, especially in the 22nd century ("Up The Long Ladder"). This would probably put all of Earth in a similar position as certain European countries like Ireland, where famine and emigration in the 19th and 20th centuries resulted in a modern population that is about 3 million lower than its peak in the 1840s. This would likely have two different effects on Earth itself. First, it could reinforce some conservative, traditional perspectives especially for many of those that remained or moved back over time - Picard's father deciding to run an old family vineyard in France abandoned in WWII and Chekov being a proud Russian versus Picard's pioneering ancestors settling Mars (Generations), or radical "Neo-Transcendentalists" ("Up The Long Ladder") or supporters of genetic engineering ("The Masterpiece Society") leaving Earth to build new colonies in other star systems. (This might even be reflected in maintaining racial distinctions up to the 24th century, although I'd prefer to assume that racism isn't a byproduct of this type of sorting in the Star Trek universe.) Second, and most importantly, is that the losses in the 21st century and the subsequent "brain drain" of dynamic, technically skilled people in the 22nd century would leave Earth with far less labor capacity and human resources. (See the Martian Congressional Republic after the ring gates are discovered in The Expanse, for instance.) Considering this, it may just have been out of necessity that Earth governments streamlined and consolidated many of their functions into a centralized world government! The post-scarcity economy, technological advancements after First Contact, and dearth of labor overlapping with a pressing need to repair the planet after thousands of years of damage from human war and urbanization might even mean that their world government wouldn't even have the same structure or functions as nation-states have today. (What could tax policy in the Federation look like if you don't buy anything and don't have an income, for example?) In addition, note that the only times we've ever seen actual bustling "modern" cities in Star Trek in operation aside from San Francisco have really just been with London (Star Trek Into Darkness), Boston ("Rememberance"), and to a lesser extent Paris ("We'll Always Have Paris", "Rememberance"). Even with those representations though, they *still* don't feel dramatically more occupied than our versions of those cities. (The only exceptions are Paris from "Will You Take My Hand", which felt like someone dropped the Eiffel Tower onto Coruscant, and Okinawa/The Daystrom Institute in "Rememberance" with all of the weird floating structures.) And, because Chateau Picard still exists in the same form as it did centuries before, Raffi can camp out in a trailer near Vasquez Rocks, and Starfleet captains all seem to have cabins in the woods on Earth (Generations, "Crisis Point 2: Paradoxus", "Strange New Worlds"), the franchise also suggests that the countryside hasn't been radically urbanized to accommodate a growing population that is billions higher than the population today (save for Mohave as seen in matte painting in "The Cage"/"The Menagerie"). Anyway, good video, and good work!
@OrangeRiver
Жыл бұрын
Thank you! And good writeup!
@komradewirelesscaller6716
Жыл бұрын
Many good points in your post!
@ericbaysinger314
Жыл бұрын
You consistently go into more depth than I expect and even more depth than I imagined possible. Thanks! (Seeing the clip of Avasarala made me wonder whether you'd do a video on some of sci fi's best fashions.)
@jamesabernethy7896
Жыл бұрын
I've said this before. I love how you analyse things from a very real perspective and not just take things at face value. It takes a keen and curious mind. You are very thought-provoking, funny and always fresh. Your videos are always great... but in saying that, any video can be improved by the presence of Samuel L. Jackson.
@47Str8
Жыл бұрын
Check out the big brain on James! ;)
@Captain.AmericaV1
Жыл бұрын
Or the voice of Morgan Freeman
@jamesabernethy7896
Жыл бұрын
@@Captain.AmericaV1 Also yes
@Cr4z3d
Ай бұрын
Hahah
@OdariArt
Жыл бұрын
Love this one! I'm writing a Sci-Fi graphic novel and in it, people on Mars, have their own language. At least 3 different dialects. Good thing that Star Trek has Universal Translation tech otherwise they would need protocol droids like in Star Wars.
@OrangeRiver
Жыл бұрын
Awesome!
@fusionsigh
Жыл бұрын
Sounds extremely detailed and awesome
@suzygirl1843
Жыл бұрын
@@OrangeRiver That future will never happen under USA. Firefly is MORE accurate. Everyone will be speaking Chinese. China is a better trade partner than the West. We are here trying to Decolonize our mindsets from the Western mainstream. You're too narcissistic
@OrangeRiver
Жыл бұрын
@Suzy Girl Hm. Narcissistic. Nice ad hominem. You realize this is a video about United Earth in Star Trek, right? I'm going by what we see on screen. Comparisons to real life are for analysis purposes only.
@Cr4z3d
Ай бұрын
Good luck to you, we need more fresh stories and ideas in sci-fi nowadays, someone to breathe fresh life into the genre, someone with a big imagination.
@seandawson5899
Жыл бұрын
These videos are so much fun. My dad loves Star Trek, so you're giving me a lot to talk about with him.
@ReapTheWhirlwind
Жыл бұрын
One of the more interesting aspects of Stargate SG-1, which is for me the most cynical realistic scenario for a lot of space show tropes, is the idea that intergalactic space travel can belong to a specific nation. The timeline for SG-1 is frozen at the cusp of worldwide exposure and I would be interested in a spinoff show that examines the era after the truth about the Stargates are exposed. The nations of Earth do know about them and for a time Russia had it's own Stargate but the public doesn't know and given how close Earth has come to being attacked and conquered I can't imagine public opinion being positive. A few episodes have shown the future, which appears to be one of cooperation and prosperity, but nothing beats seeing events unfold in real time.
@shawnleeguku
Жыл бұрын
I think it's possible that some corporate entity becomes the de-facto united Earth "government," while the existing governments still exist and function in-name. Basically the way the US government is almost entirely bought and owned by corporate donors, just on a global scale. Here's hoping for the Star Trek version though, as always it's the best we can hope for!
@shawnleeguku
Жыл бұрын
@Netties Kid Probably won't happen in our lifetime but I think it's inevitable. I'm just not optimistic about what form it will take.
@cocobutter3175
Жыл бұрын
@Netties Kid I always thought a huge pandemic would necessitate the world working together to save humanity, and accelerate a United Earth. Well, we saw how that turned out.
@commandershepardmessiah3345
Жыл бұрын
@CoCo Butter I feel it is inevitable whether in the far future or not. I tell people be aware and maybe scared of what itll take to get there. it's gonna take so much death, destruction, collapse on an unthinkable level that everyone realizes there's no going back at all.
@heliosgnosis2744
Жыл бұрын
Well next to being assimilated by the Borg that may work out anywhich way lol
@supercharas153
11 ай бұрын
For once, I hope the Borg assimilated us to be united for once
@joshuan3426
Жыл бұрын
This video - like mentioned in another comment - felt like a 5, 6 minute analysis. Time passes really fast when listening to your content. These days its my main distraction from our cynical f*** up world(order). Best escape from reality atm and really appreciated ;)
@chuPAULcabra
Жыл бұрын
Best trek content on KZitem!
@ClintSprayberry
Жыл бұрын
Ahhh .... Man your videos are always so awesome dude! They feel like they are about 5 minutes long, always packed with interesting information and topics!
@OrangeRiver
Жыл бұрын
Thanks Clint!
@springtime1838
Жыл бұрын
My fan theory is that UESPA and the other pre Federation Space Forces became different commands in the Federation Starfleet and probably didn't have a fully unified Fleet until the 2240s wich would explain some things
@toddfraser3353
Жыл бұрын
We want to be unified just as long as we get everything we want. If we can't get what we want then we try to become separate.
@thenerdfulspirit
Жыл бұрын
This is sort of referred to in Next Generation with people leaving Earth etc and establishing new colonies off world
@definitlynotbenlente7671
Жыл бұрын
But it goes both ways you can not have a.. the benifits without any responsibility
@Raptorias
Жыл бұрын
OrangeRiver, I got an idea for you to cover. Alien biology of The Coneheads.
@pikesmashindykes
Жыл бұрын
But aren't they french?
@_macrophage
Жыл бұрын
10/10. 5-Star analysis. Keep up the stellar work. Can't wait for the next video
@sugartbube
Жыл бұрын
i love that he included the Expanse
@colonelquack
Жыл бұрын
This might seem obvious but. Thanks to your consistent intro, I know your name, Tyler. Always happy to listen to you.
@johnlangley6449
Жыл бұрын
Thanks so much for the channel it’s great to see such forward thinking man as your self
@haydennoble9253
Жыл бұрын
I felt the existential dread in that pause before “let’s find out”.
@jymfysher7704
Жыл бұрын
I loved your PULP FICTION cut with the 6 timeless exploitives sure to survive as long as language does and possibility become a KLINGON favorite.Thanks for the the laugh Tyler!
@irfanyr
Жыл бұрын
You have some of the best Star Trek content on KZitem. Why is your channel this small? Surely the algorithm working against you.
@nitehawk86
Жыл бұрын
Definitely was not expecting Mace Windu in this episode.
@Ikaros473
Жыл бұрын
Love the quality and time you put into your vids man. Your effort shows!
@OrangeRiver
Жыл бұрын
@Ikaros Thank you so much!
@TheMimiSard
Жыл бұрын
One thing about the home countries and states of various characters just makes me believe harder in the theory I once saw someone say, and have adopted as my headcanon, that the universal translator removes accents, or transposes them into what we hear.
@lewisvincent3290
Жыл бұрын
Just discovered you and getting trek lore along with your wit is great!
@beepboop204
Жыл бұрын
you gotta watch the Trill episode, its amazing
@beezelbuzzel
Жыл бұрын
Just imagine Jules screaming at you to to cut the grass at 9:AM on Saturday morning while also screaming at you to enjoy the new episode of DS9 at 7:00 PM.
@Nitero_
Жыл бұрын
playing the New Horizons mod for Stellaris right now, this is hitting good since im early game pre-fed.
@unm0vedm0ver
Жыл бұрын
Definitely one of my favorite channels. Great analysis!
@OrangeRiver
Жыл бұрын
Thank you!
@angstony459
Жыл бұрын
I know! Right!
@CrystalHickerson
Жыл бұрын
I absolutely LOVE your channel. That is all.
@JoeOcchipinti
Жыл бұрын
As someone who teaches about geopolitics I have to say, very well done, your future history and analysis was sophisticated without being confusing.
@OrangeRiver
Жыл бұрын
Thank you so much!
@silverbackag9790
Жыл бұрын
Unfortunately it looks like we are going the Terran model. You will eat ze bugs!
@kevinjohnson7553
Жыл бұрын
As always, well done. Live long and prosper. 🖖
@OrangeRiver
Жыл бұрын
Thanks Kevin!
@c1ph3rpunk
Жыл бұрын
Is it too optimistic? If you asked me in my 20’s, I would have said no. Fast forward 3 decades, and having watched 2020, I’m now going to say yes. The concept of some event “bringing humanity together” seems far fetched now. First contact would likely only drive humans further apart, not bring us together. We’d end up with a faction that’s pro-alien and another that’s anti-alien with dozens of others between those two ends of the spectrum. I don’t even think global thermonuclear war would do it, we’d just go back to fighting with sticks and stones.
@afoolandhismoneychannel
Жыл бұрын
Age and experience definitely have a way of stripping optimism... there's a famous quote that states "If you're not a liberal in your 20s, you have no heart. If you're still a liberal in your 30s, you have no brain.". True words.
@user-uc9fx4ru7p
Жыл бұрын
Agreed sadly.
@JohnDoeXYZ
Жыл бұрын
If you haven't already, you should do a video on synthehol. I hear there is a real-life version called Alcosynth.
@juliussmith4001
Жыл бұрын
Wonderful.
@jimp8400
Жыл бұрын
Thank u for the hours of entertainment/knowledge u provide ….
@connorsamler3207
Жыл бұрын
Excellent video! Well done
@OrangeRiver
Жыл бұрын
Thank you Connor!
@cathyvickers9063
Жыл бұрын
One of my assumptions based on the Star Trek timeline is that the "superman" uprising in the Eugenics War of the 1990s prevented 9/11 from happening. Politics in the world would've changed depending on whether a region was ruled by benevolent or power hungry engineered people. (I even imagined an alternate Terran Empire rising out of prolonged, oppressive rule by the supermen, until finally overthrown by their hardened subjects!) Think about the lasting lessons from that period: a growing reluctance to allow any small group of "rulers" into power, again. An episode of DS9 (possibly the one where Sisko became the activist Bell) implied economic upheavals led to WWIII. Seen in light of post Eugenic Wars, this could have been an outcome of different factions vying for power, while trying to divorce their agendas from the memory of the Eugenics Wars. I think you did yourself a disservice by not factoring in the brief conquest of part of Earth by the genetic supermen, & the fight to overthrow them. All demographics in the 21st Century onward would've been different from our history. Some nations devastated & still trying to rebuild; some alliances badly fractured; global economy possibly similar to post Covid. I think this may have fueled a drive toward more widespread democratization. WWIII could then have possibly been a last gasp by dictatorships & similar authoritarians.
@applesandgrapesfordinner4626
5 ай бұрын
Interestingly, a possible WW3 in our reality is also the result of consequences from authoritarian systems trying to cling to power.
@Malkiore1
Жыл бұрын
Love this
@quantafreeze
Жыл бұрын
Another great video! Great job!
@OrangeRiver
Жыл бұрын
Thank you so much!
@BTScriviner
Жыл бұрын
Another excellent analysis.👍
@colinleat8309
Жыл бұрын
Seriously. Subscribe people. If you're watching every week or not. I love when they mention Canada in Trek...all 2 times 🤣. 🖖😁🤞🇨🇦
@cyberfrank-bx2nv
Жыл бұрын
hi bro, from Quebec.
@colinleat8309
Жыл бұрын
Hey there fellow Quebecer!
@cyberfrank-bx2nv
Жыл бұрын
@@colinleat8309 ah, un frere! je me demande combien de Quebecois passent la barriere Anglo pour pouvoir acceder next gen, t en connais d autres toi? c est sur, les traducs, c est pas mon fort, on en perds trop dans l equation, moi, j en connais pas d autres. assez dommage, l esprit trekkie, c est international, ca devrait vraiment nous unir. t est de quel coin? heu, tu parles Francais j imagine? if not, thanks for the salute in any case bro!
@ScottyBanton
Жыл бұрын
Wow after all these years I never knew Laforge is from Mogadishu
@JaredLS10
Жыл бұрын
Well done as always, I have been meaning to ask. Where did you get that Starships plaque hanging up behind you?
@OrangeRiver
Жыл бұрын
Some family members found it at a flea market I think lol
@rpratt3746
Жыл бұрын
Thanks for your research and efforts. Subscribed
@drahcir8402
Жыл бұрын
Picard was born in the UK. It's just the part of the UK he was born into, used to be known as France.
@angelcabeza6464
Жыл бұрын
So in France
@beepboop204
Жыл бұрын
@@angelcabeza6464 ya the French part of the UK, you know, France
@TheRealSpiderMew
Жыл бұрын
It feels like we are closer to becoming the future of Warhammer 40K.
@Freakingbean
Жыл бұрын
The emperor protects!
@beepboop204
Жыл бұрын
i kinda hope all the DMT i do acts like Dune spice
@merafirewing6591
Жыл бұрын
Nah, hard pass.
@snoopymcqueen8287
Жыл бұрын
Great Video on Trek, Orange River.
@m.s.9744
Жыл бұрын
"Let's find out"? Let's Get Started!!
@disNARRATIVE
Жыл бұрын
Wow, great work
@mokwella
Жыл бұрын
I would like to hear your perspective on how rapidly the United Earth formed given that, in at least some parts of Earth, the Post Atomic Horror was still going on, complete with an authoritarian justice system in 2079. My head canon is that once the Post Atomic Horror arose, the Vulcans became anxious about the trajectory of a warp capable civilization descending into chaos and went "Captain Kirk" on things and and took a more active role in restoring and developing Earth's government. This might explain the later antipathy of humans to Vulcans in Enterprise. Of course, this all hinges around Gene Roddenberry's vision that a utopian Earth would only emerge once humanity had gone through many tribulations, a view that I see as becoming more stark over time. The vision of the trials seem to start with the short lived Eugenics War and then became more severe by the time Roddenberry wrote Encounter at Farpoint. I believe this tension around 23rd century utopia vs. 21st century dystopia is what has ultimately resulted with an accelerated timeline, where events like the SS Valiant reaching the galactic barrier in the 2060s are hard to reconcile - and that was of course established very early on. Anyway, that's a ramble! Bottom line, if you could give some of your own theories about this specific part of the history (assuming you haven't already covered it somewhere?) that would be great.
@beepboop204
Жыл бұрын
in Stellaris you are able to indoctrinate pre-warp people, i wondered if there was ever an open possibility there was some nudging
@myco2408
Жыл бұрын
man idk how i wasn’t already subbed but that’s been corrected.
@willowfalls7528
Жыл бұрын
Very sorry about that. I had watched so many of these videos that I thought I had subscribed. Didn't realize that I wasn't. Fixed that. Interesting video as always. My Star Trek Online character happens to be from Australia, (I just have a fancy for Australia), and I most always enjoy a chance to learn about the world he lives in.
@billkemp9315
Жыл бұрын
Great analysis, Thanks! I am curious about how Earth eliminated money or how it altered its financial system as stated in Star Trek? How does commerce occur without a monetary system? Perhaps you already have a video on this.
@tekoneiric
Жыл бұрын
I think the key difference between money as we use it and credit system used on Star Trek is that you can't do high finance and currency speculation with credits. It likely has a UBI for each citizen, an earning factor for performing work or actions that lead to a betterment of society. Credit based pay for work done is likely on a standard table based on the level of difficulty, skill, danger, and tenure in the position. A easy safe job being paid the least. It would be a better way to value occupations. With most people living in apartments and condos, there is likely a separate housing voucher system. Utilities are likely free but metered to control excessive usage. Of course health care is free. By the 24 century, replicators cover all the basic things like food, clothing, etc. Credits would only be spent on luxuries such as farmed food, going out to eat at privately owned restaurants, vehicles, etc. It's likely that interplanetary companies still operation on a currency system like gold pressed latinum. The Federation likely has a currency exchange for citizens going outside of the Federation. I think it would be amusing if the Federation scientists learned out to replicate gold pressed latinum or even have been able to for some time but they restrict it generally to prevent the political problems.
@OrangeRiver
Жыл бұрын
@tekoneiric This is a good analysis!
@OrangeRiver
Жыл бұрын
@Bill Kemp I do have a video on it, but it's so old it's probably unwatchable lol
@billkemp9315
Жыл бұрын
@@OrangeRivertime for an updated version?
@OrangeRiver
Жыл бұрын
@Bill Kemp Maaaayyyybe. Not sure how soon, but an updated "Star Trek Economics" video could probably do some good on my channel. And an updated "Ancient Civ" too lol. I don't wanna start remaking my oldest videos JUST yet, but it's been on my mind ;)
@lsporter88
Жыл бұрын
Professionally done as always.😎👍🏾
@OrangeRiver
Жыл бұрын
Thank you Leslie!
@MonCappy
Жыл бұрын
Whether humanity becomes united in a utopian society depends I think on two factors. Currently there are two nooses slowly tightening around our necks. The first and lesser threat is worst case scenario caused by climate change. If in the coming decades the worst case scenario happens, billions will be displaced and hundreds of millions to billions of people will die; to say nothing of the catastrophic environmental collapse that will occur. We would be too focused on survival to consider worrying about unity. The second, and by far greater threat (since it is the cause of the former threat mentioned in this post) is the Capitalist economic system. Since its focus is on the accumulation of wealth in the hands of the elite, these folks use their wealth to ensure everyone else on the planet is divided in order to continue to feed their addiction to money and power. The entire Capitalist system as currently practiced and core to its philosophy is the continued accumulation of profits as its highest purpose with all other concerns falling by the wayside. It is a perverted, cruel, evil philosophy and slowly but surely destroying us all. Without addressing our economic system and replacing it with another, more ethical system, we can never be united as the Capitalist systems put at its core a ruthless competition for resources and wealth. As such, I think whether or not we can achieve unity as a species largely depends on whether or not we can replace Capitalism as our economic system for something more ethical. If we can't then we will never be united as a utopian human society. Ever. If we do, then it at least becomes possible, if unlikely. Why? Because there is still a lot of bad blood within our different cultures, ethnicities and religions. Just look at the war in Ukraine. Oops. My bad, I mean special military operation in Ukraine (I kid, I kid). That war there is going to induce a lot of bad blood between Ukrainians and Russians for generations to come regardless of how it ends (Ukrainian victory, Russian victory, or negotiated settlement). And that is just one source of conflict. Don't get me wrong, with enough empathy and enough kindness I think we could unite willingly as a people, but it's going to take time, more than likely centuries of intermittent progress to reach that point. All things considered, if we can shake off the noose that is Capitalism, then we can achieve anything, and the eventual unification of humanity into a utopian society would be a question of when, not if (barring massive natural disasters that wipe us out like a supervolcano eruption or a massive asteroid striking Earth). Final note. If we can address Capitalism, then we can address climate change. The thing is, in order to fix the latter, we need to fix the former first. So long as Capitalism remains as our primary economic system, we are playing with fire and will always have an existential threat hanging over our heads. Nothing but pain lies ahead of us if we don't do something to free ourselves from Capitalism.
@vitovitale8325
Жыл бұрын
if I may : I hear you, your thoughts on capitalism : my ??? then is what would you replace it w/ ?; when I was much younger I would just rail (I think that's correct) against ""The Super Rich"" [from me] "no body needs to make/or have that much (stupid crap like this gets paid $million + stock in company) & like a block-head run the damn company into that we the American people have to pay ($$$) for (I still sorta work on keeping that sentiment tamped down) my friend asked me 2 ?s : 1) have I ever got a job from a "poor" man 2) what incentive could you give/supply to give people the gumption & the want & the drive to get up every day & go to work... the reason for all this is : if the United Planet Government supplied '"everybody" [down to last man] w/ like a base line; why would anybody go to work ? what's the incentive (he can't or politically uncorrect) to accumulate wealth, why do it; if government is supplying base line : then I make my own hours, running my own sidelines or hussles. you follow me. I am not attempting to step on anyone just thinking out loud... hey thanx. 🙏🙂🖖V3
@jogumby
Жыл бұрын
Very hard to imagine a unified earth will ever exist. One can hope though...
@SamuelBlack84
8 ай бұрын
Humanity will never grow up
@jfrish1
Жыл бұрын
Hey Tyler, Jim here. I am subscribed. You do a terrific job. Some of the best ST content I’ve seen (I am lifelong fan starting with TOS re-runs in the 1970’s). Keep up the great work!
@OrangeRiver
Жыл бұрын
Thank you so much!
@the_kombinator
Жыл бұрын
Oh dear, flat earhers are gonna go nuts over that logo....
@stevenewman1393
Жыл бұрын
🖖😎👍Very nicely well done and very well informatively executed and well explained on this subject matter and topic indeed👌...
@turkeycannon161
Жыл бұрын
I don't think a united world government will happen at least not as long as people have a choice about it, even in the most optimistic of scenarios the drive for different groups to split off and do their own thing is too deeply ingrained into humanity, even in star trek there exist independent human colonies that are not part of the federation presumably for that very reason.
@Uncivilize
Жыл бұрын
Love this video, thanks.
@davidmorton8332
Жыл бұрын
The direction of travel since 1945 has been pretty one way. A World Bank, the IMF, the WTO, international climate law, an ICC, universal human rights declaration as well as an explosion of regional trading blocs and/or customs unions. We also have an ISS and a supranational space agency in ESA.
@TheMasaoL
Жыл бұрын
Thanks
@joeywall4657
Жыл бұрын
Officially subscribed now! 🤠
@afoolandhismoneychannel
Жыл бұрын
Earth won't ever be united until we have something, or someone, to unite against. As long as we're "alone" in the universe, we will remain tribal in nature. There's also the unfortunate ease at which humans with power become greedy and corrupted....
@cyberfrank-bx2nv
Жыл бұрын
or a catastrophic event that proves the existence of a creator [2001]
@davidm5746
8 ай бұрын
Getting Ashenvale vibes from this background music and I'm here for it.
@NelsonReyesJr
Жыл бұрын
Their are two reasons that Earth was able to unite and change Humanity forever; #1 was the development of replicator technology and #2 the dissolution of using monetary currency. Replicators removed the concept of need and leverage for need. The removal of money from society also removed and enhanced the need for biased political positions and stances.
@ChrisM-hx9kv
Жыл бұрын
Commenting to feed the algorithm 🙃
@OrangeRiver
Жыл бұрын
We love to see it
@jeannehall6546
10 ай бұрын
Kathryn Janeway is from Bloomington, Indiana. Hikaru Sulu is a Pacific Islander. Amanda Grayson (Spock’s mother)is from Colorado Springs. Benjamin Sisko is from New Orleans.
@andythedarkone1982
Жыл бұрын
I think a united earth is only possible in Star Trek because Humans know that other intelligent life and advanced civilisations are out there, all of a sudden, arguing over countries, skin colour and land seem trivial, also it would promote an advanced tribalism of sorts, where the fact you are one of your own species would be all that mattered, I think United earth would be born out of necessarity rather than want. Because the situation would create an entirely new type of 'Us verses Them' Mentality.
@palmercolson7037
Жыл бұрын
I would add the concern over differences between countries on Earth being exploited and used against us. The precedent would be from our own history. The Aztec empire was destroyed by the Spanish and locals allying against a common foe. Proxy wars from the Cold War in Asia, South America and Africa got people forced off their land or killed. There would also be concerns about incidents between aliens and locals that could cause alien intervention. The precedent would be people getting into trouble in China or elsewhere and the foreign power would make demands from compensation to control over territories. They're not all going to be Vulcans being mostly reasonable. An Earth government would be able to present a united front over any issues.
@maxberner1886
Жыл бұрын
Parliamentry Republics also have Ministers and a President, for example Germany there the Presidant is largely Ceremonial and Serves as the the Figure Head of the Country while the different Ministers are Part of the Parliament and Government and organize different branches of the government. In the end the power still lies in the hand of the parliament
@stopinventing1013
Жыл бұрын
As usual, great video.🖖🏽
@gr8tbigtreehugger
Жыл бұрын
Many thanks for this insightful video! Really appreciate all the research you put into your videos, it really helps to contrast the sci-fi elements. Cheers!
@springtime1838
Жыл бұрын
Not to say Discovery isn't canon or such but it's more than 900 years after Enterprise so it's possible that some changes have happened after the United Earth left the Federation of the 30th century
@kadmii
Жыл бұрын
I wouldn't be surprised if interest in a UEDF began after the Dominion War purely for system defense
@angelcastro3129
Жыл бұрын
I really enjoyed this video as I do most of your content. I do have faith that humanity will get their heads out of their butts sooner or later... My only concern would be... What will it take for that to happen?. lol
@cyberfrank-bx2nv
Жыл бұрын
vision, ideas, team work, it starts now.
@alexturlais8558
Жыл бұрын
In my opinion, the likeliest outcome in the real world is a global version of the EU, where nations retain their individuality and culture, but work together on common projects and common standards.
@suzygirl1843
Жыл бұрын
Nah, it'll remain pretty much the way it is now, some countries will be more advanced while others are kind of the same as today. Capitalism is a monopoly. You have to change it to complete the vision of Star Trek and close gap extremes
@grahamturner1290
Жыл бұрын
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@jordanbridges
Жыл бұрын
I like this content
@MrMalimer
Жыл бұрын
Can't come fast enough. That's me thoughts here below.
@adamofgrayskull7735
Жыл бұрын
We're not ready for a united Earth ,not by a long shot
@canadaclub8920
5 ай бұрын
a fan theory I heard is by TNG era the vast majority of the population live most if not all of their lives inside holodecks blissfully unaware. It would be an effective way of managing the population. As the maquis crisis demonstrated, you can't have federation citizens just doing whatever they want.
@ClintSprayberry
Жыл бұрын
Yes! Yes! Yes! Yes! Yes!
@cyberfrank-bx2nv
Жыл бұрын
I m old enough to have seen a few episodes of the original serie on tv. entertaining, funny, and light on philosophy. had trouble at first to get into tng, felt it lacked star wars action. but then, I got hooked on the philosophic content, as even after the episode was over, I kept thinking about the issues involved. I was thrilled like no other shows about the next one. I admit that the special effects were better than movies at the time. tng was, in my opinion, the best show to help humanity s evolution - mentality. the fails.... now we know that transporter tech is impossible. replicators seem not very credible either. the distances required to find that much alien life according to travel time is off. there should have been more robots like r2, c3 - po. the time vs evolution seem skewed a little. ground vehicles like 'lost in space' seem necessary if only for fun. definitively add depth to the United Earth structure and Klingon, Romulan specie. planet patrolling should consist of colonists, not more aliens. more like the 'outland' movie concept of mining or terraforming. it was a little gullible and superficial in retrospect. however, cars have much improved since 1900, and building a credible universe in the future with a budget is similar in concept, it improves, we must persevere, as it leads to ideas to improve reality by theorising. we need a positive but realist vision to do better. reality... as we speak, Russian ships armed with nukes are coming to international waters near Washington, no joke... it looks a lot like the 2010 movie scenario. humanity will not survive WW3, bunkers will not outlast the radiation or consequences. no matter how futile it might seem now, we must try to save our lives, the mind is more powerful than nukes. 2010 ; something wonderful!' I m French Canadian, dedicated for world peace and a savant. 'rain man', 'a wonderful mind' but practical. did research in old civilisations - religions. + is the ancient symbol of a creator, positive. follow the 10 commandments since 2015. science theories have clues of the existence of a God. my intuition tells me that our effort might get support. anyways, we have not much to lose. a combination of science - spirituality seems like the best tool to get attention and make a difference. 1 + 1 = 2, science is the truth, therefore, the way to God. the universe is mathematical, calculable, building blocks, creation. I m a fighter in spirit, I refuse to do nothing and wait the end. but I need help. United Earth looks possible. meritocracy, abolition of money, craddle to grave, arcology. all will help to sell peace. luck, circumstances are up to God. but we must try! you don t need to do a miracle, just focus on concepts for this new, better world concept inspired by star trek, be +. maybe we can have a debate, pause the war or something. others here can contribute. good work, and God save us all.
@kjpedersen778
Жыл бұрын
United Earth probably had a parliamentary form of government before The Burn, thereafter presidentialism was adopted.
@TheSleepyCraftsman
Жыл бұрын
Remember, during the post atomic horror, you were guilty until proven innocent.
@JordanElliottMcClure
Жыл бұрын
I’m subscribed! ❤
@nmstranger
Жыл бұрын
I subscribed. Also I believe the only way Earth governments will unite into a United Earth is if a direct threat is so bad we need to unite to fight it (alien invasion, planet killer asteroid/comet as examples) BUT even than I doubt we would come together to fight it and we will be the authors of our own destruction.
@Chirchy
Жыл бұрын
a united earth needs to happen irl
@definitlynotbenlente7671
Жыл бұрын
I hope so to but unfortunately not in our lifetime
@JeremyBolanos
Жыл бұрын
The US, China, and very much Japan are in negative population growth thanks to reduced immigration (US), enforced birth rates (China), and economic suppression of reproduction (Japan). Seems first-world countries are living under economic pressures that drive down reproductive opportunities. I wrote a paper on it 😁
@cm275
Жыл бұрын
Since increased living standards has a strong correlation with lower birth rates in the real world, I wonder what the effect of the paradise like post-scarcity UFP on birth rates are. Most of our view of society is from the perspective of Starfleet officers but off the top of my head only like four or five main characters (through Enterprise) have been shown to have children and many of them seem to be only children themselves. Something fun to think about.
@aoki6332
Жыл бұрын
china as actually stopped the one child policy and since 2021 family can have 3 child but yeah the big reason why the birth rate is still decreasing in china is living standard increasing
@korakys
Жыл бұрын
The US population growth rate is still very much positive. Its population acceleration is declining but I believe the same is true for every country on the planet.
@aoki6332
Жыл бұрын
@@korakys right now about 48% of the us population growth is for immigration if it keep up in 20-40 years the us will have a intense population decline that a problem in most of the western world in fact only two place are not having this problem Africa and some part of asia basically industrializing country
@leiderdawg
Жыл бұрын
11:40 one piece you didn't include in the future demographics of the earth: how many non-humans have immigrated here. If there are 11 billion people, maybe the 8 billion humans projection is still correct?
@OrangeRiver
Жыл бұрын
It's tough to say how many nonhumans live on Earth in the 23rd/24th century, but you may be right :0 Idk if it'd be 3 billion though but surely a significant amount
@SPOCKtheAVENGER
Жыл бұрын
Huge migrations of populations usually happen due to their country being in war, oppression, famine, poverty, disease etc. All federation planets have to be united, not in war, follow "human rights" the federation would (we assume) immediately act if disease/famine struck a Federation planet, basically everything on Earth that causes migrations shouldn't exist. Most Aliens migrating to Earth would be for work, education, just like the lifestyle better here, to retire, or love (talk about a long distance relationship). Assuming only Federation citizens would be allowed to claim residence on Earth, and there are about 150 planets in the Federation and as it seems some planets have well less then a billion people, it shouldn't add up to a couple of 100 million non Earthling on Earth.
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