I do not agree with all of Ulfric’s politics, but you’ll be hard pressed to find a Nord, let alone a jarl, who loves Skyrim more. Willing to fight until his own dying breath if he has to just to ensure that the deaths of his Nord brothers and sisters were not wasted. If anyone wants to point out his “racism,” allow me to call YOU out for being a nimrod: 1: ALL races in The Elder Scrolls are racist to some degree, but the Nords, especially Ulfric (who isn’t even racist, for a Nord) aren’t even close to the top of that list. The only racism that rivals that of the Dunmer (who are, by far, the MOST racist culture, and call any non-native, Dunmer or not, n’wahs) are that of the Altmer, whom are just as haughty (but unlike the Dunmer, it’s unjustifiably misplaced) and the Redguard, who hate ALL elves more than Nords hate Altmer (the bloody history between Skyrim and Morrowind seemed to have mended after Vivec disappeared, causing the meteor he stopped to crash into Vvardenfell and set off such a cataclysmic eruption of Red Mountain that Vvardenfell became so inhospitable, not even House Redoran was determined enough to stay on it. This is why, even with the self-inflicted quarrel the Dunmer have in Windhelm, i am confident Nords and Dunmer have reached some sort of mutual understanding). Anyway 2: Skyrim is for the Nords. Sure, the old Nords may have conquered the Falmer, but are we to overlook the fact that this is just part of the world, both Mundus and irl? Much like how the Dunmer of Morrowind don’t care for outlanders, most Nord Jarls can’t be damned with the straits of provincials unless they have the time to afford it. 3: The Grey Quarter was established *by the Dunmer* when Ulfric’s father allowed Dunmer refugees into Windhelm after the explosion of Red Mountain. Ulfric didn’t create the Grey Quarter, nor did his father, which is why most of the Dunmer there don’t actually care about being in the Grey Quarter… it’s the obscenely racist drunkards screaming obscenities at them during the wee hours of the morning (of whom hold Ulfric in contempt, btw) Seriously, every argument i see made against Ulfric that i’ve seen is way too easy to dismantle
@chopsyoutube
3 ай бұрын
Literally every race in the elder scrolls has characters like Ulfric
@Pokemaster_416
3 ай бұрын
The only reason I don’t side with ulfric is that he overlooks the thalmor too much, and I just agree with what tullius says way more
@fanamatakecick97
3 ай бұрын
@@chopsyoutube I ended up typing a _suuuuuper_ long comment, so i’ll put this at the beginning. This is a point about me as an individual: i’m anti-imperialist, and it is reflected by my own political beliefs and criticisms of my own country’s wrongs of this manner. But that’s an irrelevant conversation ;) And those are strong characters, most of them. Quite a few Dunmer in Morrowind like Ulfric. Headstrong, true leaders, only looking for what is best for their people. A few of them are what people genuinely see Ulfric as, such as Grand Councilor Venim of House Redoran, for example, _is_ a raging racist, completely unaccepting of the potentiality of an n’wah being Hortator of his House, and the only way he’ll agree to it is literally over his dead body in an honorable duel after earning the favor of all the other councilmen/-women. Certainly not alike Ulfric in most regards (regardless of your race, Ulfric never once has doubts about your loyalty to his cause, which should be especially juxtaposing to those playing as Dunmer. However, Venim has my respect, as he’s a *very* tough fight unless you’re lvl 15 up (i usually end up fighting him around lvl 9, and have to juke him hardcore. Usually fakes several attempts, too), and he lets you come at him in full, unadulterated combat, meaning ANYTHING is game. For someone extremely loathing of n’wah, that’s rather generous for a duel. Of the characters in Morrowind, tho, i think Ulfric is most similar to Vivec, tho they differ wildly in a few ways (tho a couple of these are refuted if you know Vivec’s deeds through Resdayn history). Biggest difference is Ulfric is much more involved with his people, while Vivec secludes himself in the furthest canton in the City of Blacklight, which is at the southernmost edge of the Ascadian Isles on Vvardenfell. Their similarities, tho, are the pride in their heritage and nation, their dedication to the role of leadership (Ulfric was actually kinfa forced into being Jarl by his own people. Same with why the rebels bear his name for their faction. He tells you all of this), their willingness to take accountability (Ulfric will also tell you that he takes sole blame for the deaths of his soldiers, and keeps fighting to make sure their sacrifices weren’t for nought), and especially the love for their people (it must be noted that Ulfric didn’t challenge Torygg to a duel to dethrone or kill him. He actually mourns that that’s what it came to. Torygg and Ulfric had the utmost respect for each other, which is why Torygg took the duel, likely knowing full-well that he would lose. I actually believe that Torygg believed he deserved death for the same exact reasons Ulfric challenged him, and this is largely reflected with a certain point you bring up in this video about Imperials that a lot of Stormcloaks blind themselves to, due to hatred or mere shortsightedness. Sorry for the long parenthesis. These are mostly for those that blindly hate Ulfric. Funny enough, most Stormcloaks don’t even hate Tullius, and i wish he wasn’t too damn prideful to let his life be spared). I take the decisions i that i make n these kinds of games very, very seriously. I put much thought into both how i feel and how i’d feel as different races. I can see myself joining the Imperials if i ever play an Altmer, but i’ll still give Ulfric the jagged crown because, as i’ve stated, Ulfric is the better option (tho your defense for joining the Empire is very compelling, and at the least, i fully understand the reasonings and merely disagree on fundamentals, which usually just means we’re two different people:)), and I actually think the Empire’s days _should_ be numbered. Imperials should revert to being called Cyrods or something to that effect. Maybe form international treaties to vow a maintaining of peace, and to unite against the party that would thereafter seek to disturb this peace.
@fanamatakecick97
3 ай бұрын
@@Pokemaster_416 I think you overestimate the Thalmor, then
@Pokemaster_416
3 ай бұрын
@@fanamatakecick97 overestimate the thalmor?, what are you on they literally won the first Great War against the empire and are undoubtedly the strongest current force in the elder scrolls atm?
@bedtimestories1065
3 ай бұрын
I want to play Skyrim now. The voices, the music, the atmosphere. Why did Bethesda fail with Starfield so hard?
@Wolfs0n
3 ай бұрын
By Skyrim's own traditions, he's the only one with legitimate claim to the throne after defeating Torygg. However, it is up to the Moot to decide who succeeds should the High King die for any reason. General Tullius' order to arrest Ulfric, interfering with local laws and traditions, not only made things worse. But are grounds for court martial, as he is military governor in an autonomous allied province and doesn't have the authority to interfere.
@emperorconstantinexipalaio4121
3 ай бұрын
Umm but the moot is irrelevant because Ulfric was already an insurrectionist and traitor to the Empire. Of course the Empire isn’t going to let a dissident terrorist try to claim the throne. Tullius is a genius who achieved great success in a short time period, capturing a terrorist in spite of the Thalmor’s hopes to keep him alive in order to keep the war going, as revealed in dossiers and unused dialogue between Elenwen and Tullius.
@Wolfs0n
3 ай бұрын
@@emperorconstantinexipalaio4121Tullius is a renegade that overstepped his authority as military governor. Whatever he achieved is rendered moot because he didn't have the authority to arrest Ulfric or interfere with local law. He would need to call for martial law for that to happen, and if he can't do that, either because that will turn the Jarls that support the Empire against it. Not only that but even siding with the Tullius he takes it a step further by not returning to the Empire and makes clear plans to stay, now he's gone AWOL and is no longer enforcing Imperial relations but instead his own agenda. At best Tullius' return will be met with a court martial and dishonorable discharge. At worst he will be executed as a renegade and go down in history as only the second biggest traitor in Imperial history, next to Menemarco.
@davidstoddart3949
3 ай бұрын
@@emperorconstantinexipalaio4121Betrayal of the Empire is irrelevant, Ulfric went through all proper customs and traditions of Skyrim. As an autonomous Allied nation the Empire cannot overturn or interfere with local laws, doing so only gives them justification to separate unopposed. The moment Torygg died the Empire lost near all its influence anyway because there is no High King and thus the High King is not allied with the Empire and rule does not automatically fall to next of kin in Skyrim, this isn't High Rock.
@emperorconstantinexipalaio4121
3 ай бұрын
@@Wolfs0n Bro has no understanding of politics. He is not a renegade. He followed imperial orders to end a rebellion. Ulfric and his insurrection is not recognized by the Empire. Tullius was sent to crush it. Yes, he had complete authority to interfere with law because the Emperor’s powers supersede local law. The civil war had been going on for years and Tullius was instated recently to bring an end to it. What are you even talking about? We are beyond martial law. There is a civil war. That’s why soldiers are stationed across Skyrim and clash with each other when detected. Tullius has not gone AWOL. Do you not understand a post-war government? Tullius is a military governor. He has to win the war and restore order, which means he has to stay in Skyrim and see the return of stability. You are just making stuff up. Tullius’ return will be met with a triumph for his ability to end the war within pretty much a few days (given Skyrim’s timescale of in-game days lol), considering the war has been raging for like almost two decades by the beginning of Skyrim. The Markarth Incident was AWHILE ago. When the Union fought the Confederacy in the American Civil War, you think it wasn’t a clear objective to knock out the capital of the rebellion and capture Jefferson Davis-the leader of the Confederacy? You think Grant was a renegade and that the military governments set up were somehow AWOL? No, they were specifically established to keep order until peace returned. You don’t pull your army out right after winning.
@emperorconstantinexipalaio4121
3 ай бұрын
@@davidstoddart3949 Not true. Skyrim is an Imperial province and is subject to the laws of the Empire above its local customs. Skyrim is not an “allied nation”. It is a province, meaning it is of vassal status at best. The High King is largely ceremonial as the jarls rule very much autonomously. That’s why imperial authority didn’t suddenly collapse. There is nothing to do with proper customs and traditions when the reason for the rebellion is the outlaw of an Imperial, not Nordic deity. Skyrim is like High Rock in the sense that it is ruled by and answerable to the Empire. Killing Torygg was a ploy Ulfric thought he could use to gain full recognition but it didn’t work because most of Skyrim sees him for the con artist he is and are faithful to the Empire.
@mystycassaultunholyendings3619
3 ай бұрын
This actually looks a tad better than the original
@user-uk3ik1la4w
3 ай бұрын
Yes. Ulfric defeated high king toryryg in the old nord way of a duel. Honorable or not, he won and deserves to be high king. Maybe if you so desired, you could challenge him afterward and take your throne, dragonborn.
@andryuu_2000
3 ай бұрын
Despite I agree with his criticisms on the Empire, he shouldn't be high king
@myomyo2401
3 ай бұрын
He is true high king
@anon8638
3 ай бұрын
Who's gonna tell him this aint a short
@chopsyoutube
3 ай бұрын
I figured that damn 1 second off lol
@myomyo2401
3 ай бұрын
Yes
@emperorconstantinexipalaio4121
3 ай бұрын
No. He is a traitor.
@thezeronelite
3 ай бұрын
5 Underrated Reasons to be a Stormcloak: 1: Stormcloaks don't torture or execute citizens without trial, the Empire does. 2: Restoring worship of Talos is not only a moral good but an absolute necessity; a weakened Talos is a weakened mankind by the logic of TES's pantheons. 3: Hammerfell was able to defend itself alone and remains independent, Skyrim can do the same, possibly in alliance with Hammerfell. 4: Titus Mede II's assassination is almost certainly canon, and it shows the present state of the Elder Council & Mede Dynasty as corrupt & unstable. Hoping the new Emperor will return the Empire to former glory is not a viable plan. 5: 25 years after the White-Gold Concordat's signing, Thalmor infiltration has succeeded at every level in Skyrim's Imperial holds. Attendees of the Thalmor embassy party include 6 of the 9 Imperial-aligned Jarls, the majority of whom actively cooperate with the Thalmor (Maven, Siddgeir, Elisif & Igmund), not to mention the Emperor's cousin. No matter Tullius's intentions, removing Thalmor influence from Skyrim under the Imperials is an impossible task.
@fireball2mil
3 ай бұрын
When have the imperials executed anyone without trial? (The start of the game doesn't count because if ulfric wasn't killed asap the thalmor would have saved him to keep the civil war going
@Wolfs0n
3 ай бұрын
@@fireball2milYes, it does count because of the war Ulfric and his men are POWs and their execution is a war crime, he was supposed to bring Ulfric to the rest of the Moot. Executing him as well as you and Lokir for no better reason than you are witnesses to that, only drives the wedge between Skyrim and the Empire deeper. And as military Governor his authority starts and ends with imperial military matters, he doesn't have the authority to execute Ulfric. Much less in Skyrim where he has to obey local laws and not interfere. Everything he does in the intro alone is grounds for court martial, dishonorable discharge if not being executed himself. It's why even when you side with the Empire and help Tullius he chooses to stay in Skyrim after Ulfric dies and the head of the rebellion is cut off. He's already gone Renegade.
@fireball2mil
3 ай бұрын
@@Wolfs0n the thalmor want the civil war to happen for as long as possible. That's why they were so quick to kill you and lokir so ulfric and his men would die before anything happens
@Wolfs0n
3 ай бұрын
@@fireball2mil So let's say Tullius succeeded. Ulfric dies a Martyr, Tullius is tried for the execution of several POWs and civilians, the rest of the Jarls can no longer trust the empire as Tullius overstepped his station and that civil war he was sent to end blows up into full on secession from the Empire, especially once they learn about the invasion force ready move in if Tullius fails which was never gonna a work anyway because Cyrodiil has never been able to take Skyrim by force, that's why Talos got the Nords to support him instead of fighting, even if the Nords are at each other's throats now if you give them a single enemy they fight you first then go back to each other. So now the Thalmor get more than a civil war and the Septim Empire has now lost ancestral homeland of their founder. Well done Tullius, well done Tidus Mead II
@andryuu_2000
3 ай бұрын
The thalmor interfered in skyrim politics fue to the tantrum made by Ulfric.
@mysticwraith6667
3 ай бұрын
No
@juanemarek
3 ай бұрын
Milk drinker
@mysticwraith6667
3 ай бұрын
@@juanemarekUlfric biggest milk drinker in skyrim
@juanemarek
3 ай бұрын
@@mysticwraith6667 there are no cows in windhelm.
@mysticwraith6667
3 ай бұрын
@@juanemarekUlfric has a stash
@juanemarek
3 ай бұрын
@@mysticwraith6667I didn't find any in the palace of kings. Just ransacked the place and the only drinks not including potions are wine and alto wine. I thought he would have nord mead but no I didn't find any which I find oddly strange.
@TexasRed649
3 ай бұрын
No. Because he’s dead.
@fanamatakecick97
3 ай бұрын
Sounds like someone heels to the Thalmor
@viogo4690
3 ай бұрын
@@fanamatakecick97Sounds like your an unknowing pawn of the thalmor. Also both sides helped the thalmor in different ways tbh.
@fanamatakecick97
3 ай бұрын
@@viogo4690 Ulfric helped the Thalmor in a way that they forced. He didn’t knowing/willingly help them, and he’s only considered an asset to them because he’s a threat that they fear, and want to keep him in check wherever possible. Now, i think you misunderstood my statement. I never said the Imperials *agree* with the WGC nor do they even like the Thalmor. What i’m saying is the Empire is weak. The Empire, when it sent the Nerevarine to Vvardenfell, is significantly weaker than it was when they annexed the province. And that’s 400 years before Skyrim takes place. The Empire is weak, and not a single race needs them. In fact, it actually seems like the Empire _needs THEM._ The initial founding of it was only able to happen because of the Nords to begin with (otherwise the Imperials didn’t have the strength to form it, only the cunningness. To have an Empire, you need both). So, in short, if you choose the Empire, you have no place in Skyrim, and would rather chance the possibility of rising against the Thalmor from under their noses rather than what is literally almost a guaranteed win against them under Ulfric’s leadership. The Redguard have more than proven that the Thalmor can be beat WITHOUT aid from the Empire, and they’re not as ferocious of warriors as Nords (they’re a different type of terrifying: instead of raw brawn with cold resistance and shock resistance (in Morrowind, at least), it’s unbridled agility with an extreme stamina, meaning they don’t even have to tank as much damage) We can keep going if you would like, but i only foresee you digging yourself a hole you can’t get yourself out of if you do
@viogo4690
3 ай бұрын
@@fanamatakecick97 Maybe don't be condescending when I literally said both sides are helping the thalmor. I'm not gonna talk in game politics, people get way to obsessed with it. Also no they don't fear ulfric. He's easily manipulatable. His rebellion helps them so long as he doesn't win. Without the dragonborn he would never win. Edit: Also Ulfric may be able to keep them out of skyrim, but he could never take out the thalmor. Redguards didn't exactly win as people think. Their land was ruined and they just go them out. That was survival. Not victory. Even so people like you prove to me why they suck. All their fans seem way too hostile. By the way asset means it helps you. Unknowing or not. So no they do not fear him. Plus Id rather have people work together to fight a threat. Not Fight seperatly. Then thalmor can divide and Conqueror. Yes I'm a hypocrite as now I'm talking about in game politics. I will admit that. Lastly thalmor were beaten by redguard after a war with the imperials already. Not a war done by itself. Plus redguards had Imperial vets who stayed. Which though not proven could have possibly been on purposely disbanded to protect. Common tactic in war time to fight your enemy legaly. Yes those Imperial vets were redguards, but they had Imperial training. Which still seems to be the most advanced out of all. The rest just have it in their blood. Again though you need to learn how to debate. You don't insult your opponent else they don't want to listen and insult you back as I have now done. Simple thing to me why I Side with empire. To me racial equality is more important than religious freedom. You can hide your religion. Not your race. Even then imperials will eventually make talos worship legal again if they win the war.
@fanamatakecick97
3 ай бұрын
@@viogo4690 War ruins land. Look at Whiterun. And the ONLY reason Ulfric isn’t canonically able to drive them out in-game is because you, the player, gets to decide who wins. Exact same thing applies the other way around, tpp, don’t worry, i’m not blind to it. I’m not being condescending for any other purpose other than acting like a true Nord of Skyrim. Because it’s fun. Sorry if this upsets you. Ulfric is not easy to manipulate. Unless you’re referring to tampering with his ability to worship Talos, as that’s about the only manipulation i’ve seen used against him. If you read his dossier, he’s rather uncooperative with his Thalmor captors during interrogations. As for them not fearing him, i *highly* doubt they actually let him escape. They just didn’t allocate the manpower to stop someone who can use a Thu’um
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