The Chinese Army may have been destroyed many times, but Chiang still has 10 million manpower in reserve... and another 20 million once he completes the counter-Inept Bureaucracy law and changed to Limited Conscription...
@tommyscaletta
5 жыл бұрын
And once he got rid of Army Corruption his boys actually start fighting.
@napoleonibonaparte7198
5 жыл бұрын
Blah b *SUBJUGATE THE WARLORDS*
@jackapgar5824
5 жыл бұрын
What about if he spends 250 political power to get scraping the barrel? And can’t forget to set the economy to total mobilization.
@dv28l74
5 жыл бұрын
@@Extraordinarylurker He want's to do the achievment no country for old man of course
@tf2664
5 жыл бұрын
Chiang Kai Shrek could’ve just invaded the southern warlords and killed Mao by 1937
@historycenter4011
5 жыл бұрын
The only video on KZitem that covers the China campaign non-generally.
@yanxishan6575
5 жыл бұрын
Hello.
@somalikanye8642
5 жыл бұрын
Agreed.
@fulcrum2951
5 жыл бұрын
Hello.
@mikus4242
5 жыл бұрын
Very enlightening
@derekhoagland7100
5 жыл бұрын
Would like to learn more about how CKS complied with the needs of his allies over China.
@MasterJawata
5 жыл бұрын
As a Taiwanese, I'm fairly certain that the absences of Operation Ichigo would only prolonged the civil war, but the defeat of Nationalist was inevitable since 1936, when Chiang was kidnapped during Xi'an incident. The simple truth is that CCP's ideology at the time was more appealing towards the general populations, which at the time was like 90% of farmers. Nationalist or Communist, the people didn't care who's on top, they only care who could give them land to farm and feed themselves.
@justinpyke1756
5 жыл бұрын
Yeah, that is why I avoided making a declarative statement on that front since other factors were at play well beyond simple military issues. Ichigo certainly helped, perhaps significantly, but the CCP had other major advantages.
@SeismicHammer
5 жыл бұрын
Unfortunately for them, the feeding themselves part didn't improve under the Communists, it actually got worse. Mao was very good at getting into power, but was very bad at actually using it in a productive way. But you are generally correct that the general Chinese populace wasn't very nationalistic at that time, though this did change later on.
@hailexiao2770
5 жыл бұрын
@@SeismicHammer Quality of life did improve a lot from 1949 to 1956, but everything went off the rails afterwards. The CPC as a whole did a decent job of governing without Mao screwing everything up.
@SeismicHammer
5 жыл бұрын
@@hailexiao2770 After 1949, quality of life increased because the war had ended and people could go back to their normal lives. Given that the policies set by Mao and his ruling party later caused severe famine in peacetime, how much of the improvement was due to the communist government is a bit hard to determine. Conditions in China drastically improved once the government allowed for more open entrepreneurship later on, so it seems that when left alone, the Chinese people are pretty good at building things up.
@MasterJawata
5 жыл бұрын
@@SeismicHammer Chinese people is never really nationalistic, the "patriotic" chinese you see nowadays are just a result of CCP playing with people's sence of inferiorty and ignorance.
@fulcrum2951
5 жыл бұрын
The war in Asia and the Pacific is basically forgotten, thank you for bringing it back
@GeneralLiuofBoston1911
4 жыл бұрын
Mostly East Asia Pacific is far from forgotten (Midway, Pearl Harbor, Tora Tora Tora, etc etc etc)
@kayvan671
3 жыл бұрын
No it's not. The war in Asia was just as important as the one in Europe.
@davedraycott5779
3 жыл бұрын
I think John Wayne would disagree that the War in the Pacific is forgotten.It isn’t but you’’re right about Burma and I’d add China.
@kayvan671
3 жыл бұрын
@Tdan Kendros No not really. Both wars were equally important. Only not of the allies. For them the third Reich had more priority because it was much more dangerous for them. But the second world war has kinda started in Asia in 1937. (Atleast in my opinion)
@advisorynotice
Жыл бұрын
@@kayvan671 forgotten means people don't talk about it, it is important.
@malickfan7461
5 жыл бұрын
Jokes on you because I’ve heard of this operation before. Seriously though, this was a very good and informative video.
@dermotrooney9584
5 жыл бұрын
Yeah, me too. Let's sue for false advertising. I suffered severe emotional trauma from the disappointment. ✌
@horrido666
5 жыл бұрын
I think they think Japan's screw up in China was more important than it actually was. It was a side show, at best - a fool's move by foolish politicians. Compare this pissant fighting to what was going on in Europe just a few years later. And Europeans participated in the Geneva Convention (for the most part).
@neurofiedyamato8763
5 жыл бұрын
Same I heard of the operation. CLiCKbaIT! RIOT!
@jameshope7933
5 жыл бұрын
I agree with you, good video but why just assume that "you never heard of"whatever I put in my next post.seems condescending.
@justinpyke1756
5 жыл бұрын
Thanks!
@ElDesperado7
5 жыл бұрын
10:40 I love the term Yolo-Offensive. sounds so proffessional! xD
@seanmac1793
5 жыл бұрын
@Big Bill O'Reilly you realize it's a joke right
@shadowling77777
3 жыл бұрын
Same as Ardennes offensive (battle of the bulge) xd
@feltonmclaughlin3529
4 жыл бұрын
My father was an advisor to the Nationalist forces during the war in particular to a Nationalist Artillery Battalion. Dad never spoke of the war and the story was related to me by his assistant in 1959. The battalion was equipped with US pack 75mm howitzers. When the Japanese struck the battalion began an orderly withdrawal but then the commander and his staff got scared and bolted. Within four hours the rest of battalion took all the horses except dad's and Sergeant Jackson's and left without spiking the guns or destroying the ammunition. It was left to dad and Sergeant Jackson to do that. They got finished and were just crossing the crest of a hill when the Japanese reached the guns. Sergeant Jackson said they had only gone about 100 yards down the hill when the explosion occurred effectively putting a halt to Japanese advance in their area for a couple of hours. There were several very hair raising moments as they withdrew. When I was finally got dad to talk about it the one thing he said that stood out was the number of Japanese that seemed to suddenly appear. Really enjoyed this about the forgotten theater of war.
@poorman2457
21 күн бұрын
Your dad was a dumba** for helping the Chinese.
@justinpyke1756
5 жыл бұрын
Note on the map: I know it is geographically challenged in parts. I wanted to use one from Hans van de Ven's book, but that might have brought up usage/copyright issues so we had to go with the open source wiki map. It does the job, but with a few bizarre errors. Some detail related to the availability of sources: The Chinese Communist Party (CCP) closely guards its archives, granting limited access to select historians. Not all PRC scholars are propagandists, though some certainly are. There are many historians in the PRC who legitimately do their best to push our understanding forward, but they must tread lightly. The work of these scholars is indispensable, as the snippets they provide from the CCP archives and other sources are all we are likely to get until the CCP either ceases to exist or radically opens up. Under Xi Jinping, we are seeing significant backsliding in academic freedom and the reinforcement of heavily propagandistic narratives. With the collapse of Marshal Law on Taiwan in the late 1980s our access to wartime KMT records, and other critical resources such as Chiang Kai-shek's extensive diaries, has steadily increased. With it we have a much better understanding of the Nationalist war effort and the KMT in general. It can be a very heated topic as the KMT still continues to exist, at least in name, as one of the two major political parties in a now vibrant democracy. Therefore you get angry "greens" (Green Party or Green-aligned) that want to destroy any aspect of the KMT legacy and angry "blues" (KMT or KMT-aligned) working to whitewash or pump up the KMT. As an example of how far we have come, I started reading the first extensive English-language biography of He Yingqin only a couple weeks ago. It complete overturns our previous assumptions about this important figure, often blown off as corrupt, incompetent, and inconsequential. It is based on extensive Chinese-language primary source research and plenty of work from historians on both sides of the Taiwan strait. It is an exciting time to be studying the history of China in this pivotal period! Japanese records are a mixed bag. The Japanese (and Chinese) language is difficult, and this is made worse because written Japanese of the period used Kanji (borrowed Chinese characters) differently than modern written Japanese, adding an additional hurtle. The Japanese (along with some help from USAAF) destroyed large swaths of their military and other records at the end of the war, which limits our understanding. Russian, British, American, German, etc. sources are also valuable and more materials (with the exception of the Russians) are coming available at a fairly steady pace.
@zidan1hao917
5 жыл бұрын
CCP do have a bad reputation for opening its archives, but the Taiwan Regime is another interesting story. Basically the leading party now is using the advantage of bomb shelling archives to put their KMT "friends" into a political grave yard. Not saying it is a bad move, but using administrative means to attack a political enemy? emmm Also Chiang Kai-shek's diaries is a joke, showing how a side swinging guy he was, and when you deep dive into even the KMT record, tons of errors can be found. In turns of quality Chiang's diaries are way worse than those of Manstein's/Guderian's.
@zeitgeistx5239
5 жыл бұрын
It's a miracle that the CCP allowed a change in it's ww2 narrative that the KMT hardly did any fighting and were cooperating with the Japanese and that the CCP did all the fighting. They officially allow the narrative that the KMT did a big portion or a majority of the fighting along with the CCP. That they allow this recognition at all is a miracle and a major change to CCP propaganda.
@zidan1hao917
5 жыл бұрын
@ We have discussed about this, and I clearly have gave you some new evidence. Also I have already pointed out CCP is doing a bad work.
@zidan1hao917
5 жыл бұрын
@@zeitgeistx5239 Also welfare of former KMT soldiers has raised several times these years. Med care, pension, etc.
@zidan1hao917
5 жыл бұрын
@ Also N1A is not so welcomed by residents in its sector. Rape, robbery, terror and corruption fully turned their reputation into a shithole.
@tHeWasTeDYouTh
5 жыл бұрын
AMAZING VIDEO!!! another forgotten theater of WW2 is the Burma Campaign!! hope you make a video about that
@somalikanye8642
5 жыл бұрын
Yes. Fascinated by that campaign as well
@Cotswolds1913
5 жыл бұрын
@@somalikanye8642 Largest volunteer army ever gets formed in that theater.
@Bullet-Tooth-Tony-
5 жыл бұрын
Over 300,000 Japanese troops were stationed there
@Cotswolds1913
5 жыл бұрын
Bullet-Tooth Tony And another 140,000 from Coalition troops.
@Bullet-Tooth-Tony-
5 жыл бұрын
@@Cotswolds1913 that would be another 2 bloody years had that field army been freed up to bolster the island hopping campaign
@laertesl4324
5 жыл бұрын
Shouldn't be Manchuria (or Manchukuo) to the north-west of Korea? I am really suprised to see Mongolia there.
@tfit6766
5 жыл бұрын
That might be referring to the Inner Mongolia region of China (Portions of Northern and Northeastern China) That, or the map has some geographical concerns.
@laertesl4324
5 жыл бұрын
@@tfit6766 I know Inner Mongolia, but it is not there either. Moreover it doesn't have a border with Korea.
@antred11
5 жыл бұрын
It's due to plate tectonics. 😝
@cleanerben9636
5 жыл бұрын
@Amanda B If it is wrong, it is wrong. No way around it.
@TheMrFu
5 жыл бұрын
@Amanda B Calm down luv.
@StoneCresent
5 жыл бұрын
This offensive is the biggest segment of the war I never heard of before, especially given its effects on the outcome of the Chinese Civil War.
@Paciat
4 жыл бұрын
I also never header about an offensive of such a scale. No one really explained to me why the nationalists had stronger forces, but communists won, or why nationalists forces took more casualties than communists when fighting Japan. Heard something about the Burma road and thats it. But its in the communist mindset to expand revolution, where capitalist wars destroyed societies materially and morally. Lenin got to power thanks to Germany winning the war with Russia. Hitler was Stalins "icebreaker of revolution". So no surprises that Mao took power the way he did.
@anonviewerciv
5 жыл бұрын
I was wondering why it seemed familiar, but then said to myself "that's Operation Ten-Go you're thinking of". 5:45 Rationale. 12:00 Operations. 24:00 Aftermath.
@Chironex_Fleckeri
4 жыл бұрын
Justin is an amazing guest. Knowledgable, articulate, funny, and humble. The war in the Pacific is so misunderstood (including by me!). Great to see this content.
@Scarlioni
5 жыл бұрын
I have more than one book that refers to operation Ichi Go was the fifth, last and largest of the "Rice offensives." One of the major goals was to capture that autumn's rice harvest so as to feed Japan. Justin mentions the famine afflicting China, but fails to mention that a large part of that famine were the actions of the Japanese army.
@bingobongo1615
5 жыл бұрын
Zacharye Sheehan The food problematic in Asia isnt tackled often in the western literature. Japan was close to starvation in 1945 due to the destruction of its merchant fleet which brought the food from mainland Asia
@justinpyke1756
5 жыл бұрын
I simply didn't have time. Mitter, van de Ven, and others go into great deal regarding Japanese economic warfare against China. None of the sources I have, including Drea (the English-language's leading IJA historian), mention seizing crops as one of the core objectives of Ichigo. However, it wouldn't surprise me in the least if that were an objective, and given that IJA units were ordered to live off the land it was already implicitly going to happen.
@NobodyHere115
5 жыл бұрын
Excellent! There is a paucity of information on the later stages of the Second Sino Japanese war both in books and on KZitem. I can get behind more of these videos. Keep me coming!
@WangGanChang
5 жыл бұрын
Couple of things 1. Communist bases area in Northern China has being established since 1938 to 1940, however, these area have between constantly subjected to constant "counter-insurgency" efforts of both the Japanese and puppet Wang Jingwei government that involve killing entire village, burning of crop during harvest time and destroying irrigation in areas suspected of supporting the communists. Thus bases has being contained and declining after especially severe campaigns in 1942 and 1943. These effort disappeared in 1944, which give the communist breathing room to shore up those areas. 2. Wang Jingwei's "alternative" KMT forces is completely ignored in your analysis, however, their strength is quite significant. I believe by the war's end there is still ~500k to be collected and disbanded, and during its height the number is well over a million. However, they are mostly assigned to security duties and fighting mainly against the communist as they are deemed to be unreliable when fighting against their fellow KMT. 3. The archives in China are hardly seal, you can always file requests and unless you’re touching top secret stuff, they usually approved rather quickly. If you don’t want to go through the complex procedures, you can always access the already published stuff, which there is tons of. For example, tax and financial records of communist rear areas in northern china was published in the 1980s. You can find them here, though none of them are translated: books.google.com/books?id=yrYbAQAAMAAJ books.google.com/books?id=521bAAAAIAAJ books.google.com/books?id=ce5sAAAAIAAJ There is also selected records of combat actions reports from Shanxi/Hebei/Central Inner Mongolia region. books.google.com/books?id=ARdIAAAAMAAJ One person you could contact is 萨苏, he is a Chinese who (used to?) live in Japan that famous for written books (《国破山河在》、《尊严不是无代价的》、《突破缅北的鹰》、《退后一步是家园》) of the war by comparing war records from both the Chinese and Japanese achieve, with special focus on air war and armored warfare. However, his recent book are on organized crime in the late Qing, early republic, and British HK so not sure if he’s still interested in the subject. His weibo is here blog.sina.com.cn/u/1197950454
@justinpyke1756
5 жыл бұрын
First of all, great post! Indeed, there is more available from the PRC than people assume, with some great scholars contributing to the literature, but there is still a lot that is held back for obvious reasons and access to archives are used as a weapon against any scholars the CCP deems "hostile." I couldn't comment on the forces of the puppet troops beyond my one mention because they are almost completely ignored in the English literature, which is all I have access to unfortunately. I know they were there and used against the communists and in the rear areas, but their story has yet to be told in English beyond the most superficial of mentions. Discussion of Reorganized Nationalist China in English is generally limited to the higher political level, with a couple of works I know of looking broadly at collaboration, but not from a military perspective. Some social histories and such are floating around as well IIRC.
@porksterbob
5 жыл бұрын
The response of the Japanese to the hundred regiments offensive and the devastating effect it had on the communists in North China is too often ignored by the ccp friendly histories. The ccp attacked the Japanese in force one time. And the response was as devastating to the communists as ichigo was to the nationalists so the communists stopped directly fighting Japan after 1940 unless forced. (With good reason) It's only recently that the ccp has been willing to admit that the kmt did most of the fighting.
@WangGanChang
5 жыл бұрын
@@porksterbob porksterbob if you actually read official military history I. China (ones published by PLA press for example), you'll find that counter counter-insurgency experiences from 1940 onwards is featured heavily in military history studies and a center piece in development of PLA doctrines on both strategic and tactical level all the way to the 1980s. (Commonly refered to People's War in the west) Second, PRC has never downplayed NRA efforts in official history studies, it is the defeats are given far more attention than victories. The only difference in recent decades the blame for the KMT failure are falls more on strategic failure, rivalries and inefficiencies with in the NRA rather than just blame everything on ideology, corruption and indifference. However, in popular media, there are more movies and TV shows glorifying the CCP war effort than KMT, with more Pro-KMT show in the last few years compared to before. But that's expected, how show glorifying the Red Army that Hollywood makes for every saving private Ryan and band of brother out there, even though the Soviets did most of the fighting against the Germans. The only one I can think of is Enemy at the the gates, which basically speak for itself. At China did justice in the Tai'ezhuang movie, and that movie came out in 1986. kzitem.info/news/bejne/soeO3qNqhKJqeKg
@porksterbob
5 жыл бұрын
@@WangGanChang expecting the US to give equal shrift to non Americans is a stretch. For China, the official narrative until the 80s was that the ccp did most of the fighting against Japan. It's like how most people today think Mao ended the unequal treaties, when they were actually ended in 1942,1943, and 1946.
@mathiasbartl9393
5 жыл бұрын
You talking about Communists vs Nationalsts, but the main thing is that the IJA one upped the Navy.
@GeneralLiuofBoston1911
4 жыл бұрын
One upped? More like uncontested. China had no navy after Shanghai in 1937
@Kgeorge86
3 жыл бұрын
@@GeneralLiuofBoston1911 He means the Japanese army one upped the Japanese navy.
@Engine33Truck
3 жыл бұрын
@@GeneralLiuofBoston1911 what the commenter is meaning is the IJA had an operational success with an all-out offensive. Meanwhile, the Navy’s last all-out operation - Sho-Go 1 - was an almost complete failure. And since the IJA and IJN had been locked in a cold war/small scale civil war for a couple of decades by this point, it was a major domestic victory for the IJA as well.
@GeneralLiuofBoston1911
3 жыл бұрын
@@Engine33Truck Even then it was uncontested. The Japanese Navy in 1944-1945 was on its last legs. Yes the Japanese Army was rather weakened and didn't hold up the same prowess as it did in the earlier stages of the war, but they still managed to mobilize, which is something that the IJN couldn't achieve to the same extent, nor to the same level of success in terms of victories. But in the end, the Japanese Army's southern offensives ended poorly as a result since although major strategic areas were gained, it left the army unable to launch another, especially after the Soviet Union entered the war and poured into Manchuria.
@tonyli8368
4 жыл бұрын
0:21 I prefer to translate it as "Operaton Strawberry"
@KingofDiamonds117
5 жыл бұрын
When history channel used to actually talk about history, they talked about this. So yeah, i've heard of this, but nice to get some more details.
@joshuasutherland6692
5 жыл бұрын
22:09 Yeah, because China has the 'Great Wall' great wonder, so it gives all cities the benefit of a wall free of cost.
@dse763
5 жыл бұрын
Unfortunately, Gunpowder units ignore fortifications bonuses.
@shadowling77777
3 жыл бұрын
@@dse763 Indeed (obsolete)
@alexyoon-sungcucina7895
3 жыл бұрын
Boy would Japan have been in for a rude shock if they attacked India and that vicious warmonger Gandhi and his nuclear doomsday arsenal.
@mapleveritas2698
3 ай бұрын
Well, The Great Wall was not really useful for more than one thousand years. Chinese cities used to have city walls surrounding them. No, they were not useful once the Chinese invented gunpowder. The Mongols first (?) used to breached city walls all the way to Europe.
@Cencrd
5 жыл бұрын
Excellent podcast! I've been curious about one aspect of the war, that I can't seem to find any info on. When Italy entered the war in 1940, I'm aware that they tangled with the British on the modern day borders of Lybia and Egypt, as well as in the Horn of Africa with Somaliland and around Ethiopia. Documentation about Italy's combat against French forces on the Alpine line and in Corsica are also available, however I can't seem to find any details about combat between French and Italian forces in North Africa on the Lybian-Tunisian border prior to the instalment of the Vichy Regime, which ended their hostilities. Could you please perhaps shed some light on this topic in an upcoming video?
@randomguy-tg7ok
5 жыл бұрын
Given the lack of mention of any hostilities anywhere, I wouldn't have assumed there were any...
@deltoroperdedor3166
5 жыл бұрын
@@randomguy-tg7ok also given the short amount of time the French were in the war (at that point ofc) and the lack of any real incentive for the Allies to overrun Libya at this point in the war
@Philip271828
4 жыл бұрын
There's a channel called TIK which is very keen on the north African campaign, he may have posted something suitable?
@BV-fr8bf
5 жыл бұрын
Ichigo also means 'Strawberry', イチゴ
@MilitaryHistoryNotVisualized
5 жыл бұрын
lol wat
@abao
5 жыл бұрын
in this case it should be 一号作戦, or no 1 battle plan. so it might signify the importance they attach to it
@MrManifolder
5 жыл бұрын
It's a homophone, but is spelled with different kanji (Chinese characters). Hence, different words. Although "Operation Strawberry" is pretty damn amusing. 🤣🤣🤣
@edhikurniawan
4 жыл бұрын
@@MilitaryHistoryNotVisualized I misunderstood it as operation fifteen or one five. 一五 I think would be better to write operation number one (ichi-go) in English. They pronounced almost the same so can't be helped when talking. Same with the strawberry. Thanks to the video. I knew there was an operation there from a game War in the Pacific, but i had no details or even know the name.
@strawberrydaily3625
4 жыл бұрын
Wow
@uk4717
2 жыл бұрын
Operation Ichi-Go is an operation conducted by the Japanese Army on the Chinese mainland from April 17th to December 10th, 1944 during the Sino-Japanese War. It was the last major offensive of the Japanese Army, which caused the National Revolutionary Army to be hit hard and affected during the Chinese Civil War. However, on the other hand, the United States is also mediating the conclusion of the Double Tenth Agreement with Chiang Kai-shek in order to avoid a civil war. According to a study by Barbara W. Tuchman, the results of this operation had a more significant impact on the subsequent war situation than the Japanese had imagined, and had a decisive impact on Japan's fate. According to it, Franklin Roosevelt has consistently strongly trusted and supported Chiang Kai-shek since the beginning of the war, and encouraged him in the war against Japan so that he would not drop out of the Allies in a single peace with Japan during the Cairo Conference. However, he said that he changed his mind because the front of Chiang Kai-shek collapsed due to this operation. In fact, Chiang Kai-shek has not been invited to important Allied conferences ("Yalta Conference" and "Potsdam Conference") since then. According to the Stilwell document, Roosevelt said, "Can China win?" Stilwell said, "There is no choice but to eliminate Chiang Kai-shek." During the 1944 Hengyang battle, he could not sleep at night and twice. He says he thought about suicide. The American side also planned to assassinate Chiang Kai-shek, and three methods of "poisoning", "aircraft incident", and "pretending to be suicide" were considered, but it was canceled in 1944 due to changes in the international situation such as Burma. The successor that the United States envisioned is Sun Fountain. As Roosevelt's Chief of Staff George Marshall and General Joseph Stilwell have long insisted, Chiang Kai-shek's army is actually a demoralized and corrupt organization that does not form an army. It became clear that he had no desire or ability to fight with the United States and other Allied forces. As a result, President Roosevelt changed the scenario of the operation against Japan from the conventional bombing of Japan and other countries from the air bases of mainland China to the one that MacArthur and others claimed to occupy the islands of the Pacific Ocean one after another. China was dismissed at the Yalta Conference, and the Allied nation's footsteps were disturbed, with angry Chiang Kai-shek presenting a peace plan to Japan against the will of the United States. The Japanese Operation Ichi-Go attack left the National Revolutionary Army with 750,000 casualties. This caused the Kuomintang to lose to the Communist Party in the civil war. China would not have been dominated by the dictatorship Communist Party if it had made peace with Japan and cooperated in protecting it from communism.
@porksterbob
2 жыл бұрын
Tucuman is not a reliable source.
@ddraig1957
5 жыл бұрын
Another massive and largely unknown campaign was the Soviet invasion of Manchuria in 1945. Arguably this was just as an important factor in the Japanese surrender as the atomic bombs.
@casparcoaster1936
3 жыл бұрын
Wow, mind blowing. I am 60 (over) yo, and finally starting to understand "Who Lost China?" question, and, even hearing an answer. Really enjoyable, and enlightening. I guess I am growing up....many thanks!!!! love this channel....
@joearnold6881
5 жыл бұрын
It’s astonishing how powerful and effective Japanese forces still were in China as late as 1944, while the Pacific theatre was all but lost to them.
@sharadowasdr
5 жыл бұрын
It can seem that way when you're fighting an all but broken army of a very poor country rife with civil war and famine.
@sctm81
5 жыл бұрын
It's not very hard to fight an outdated, corrupt, unequipped and undertrained army if you have a modern, well-equipped and properly trained army.
@joearnold6881
5 жыл бұрын
sharadowasdr See above
@mxn1948
5 жыл бұрын
@@sctm81 then compare with what the soviets did to japan in Manchuria. the Japanese army was bleeding elite troops by the hundreds of thousands in china starting from day one in 37
@icewaterslim7260
Жыл бұрын
Alright,Your guest just might be one of the best researchers on the tube along with Richard Frank for the Sino-Japanese part of the Pacific War.,and has thus far given your channel the best account of this offensive.. Mao Zedong would've been a good "Risk" board game player . . . That's not necessarily a compliment.
@billd2635
3 жыл бұрын
Thanx for this video.
@khaccanhle1930
5 жыл бұрын
I remember reading about how this was partly the fault of Chennalt's over confidence in the air Corps ability to protect and assist the Chinese in the destruction of the Japanese. He persuaded Roosevelt to direct more resources to the Air Forces over the hump and less for land forces under Stillwell. Still well and the ground forces didn't have the supplies they needed to counter Japan and the Air Force could not deliver on Chennalt's rosy visions with destroying the enemy. I love Chennalt, but he was wrong about his predictions about air power.
@Warmaker01
5 жыл бұрын
Great upload, China had been a battleground for ages against Japan with barely any assistance from the Allies. Meanwhile out in Europe, the Eastern Front, the Mediterranean Theaters, that's where all the resources of the Allies went to.
@jakewoolard9373
5 жыл бұрын
The Allies assisted China by destroying Japans navy and bombing its mainland to a pulp.
@Warmaker01
3 жыл бұрын
@@jakewoolard9373 Destruction of the Japanese navy didn't happen until late 1944 with Leyte Gulf. Heavy bombing of mainland Japan didn't happen until the very late stages of the war. The Second Sino-Japanese War started in 1937. The only real support from the Allies to Japan was mainly from the United States, and even then, more of the US aid went elsewhere. Everyone else was "thoughts and prayers." The United States military did not have to deal with much of the Imperial Japanese Army... The bulk of the army was in China, Southeast Asia, or in Japan itself.
@PablitoAndCo
3 жыл бұрын
@@Warmaker01 I feel like you're ignoring some key parts of why they didn't help, which is that the allies were also busy. The 2nd Sino-Japanese war (and WW2 esentially) started in 1937, but the USA didn't join until December 1941, and they were able to start bombing Japan only once their air bases were close enough to do so, despite the fact that there had been and would continue to be smaller bombing missions in China. Same thing with the "late" destruction of the Japanese Navy, which they were destroying bit by bit in various battles between 1942 and 1944. The USSR had come to a truce with Japan after Khalkin Gol and then went to battle after they had finished dealing with the Nazis, because logically that's where all their resources went (you can't ask them to help you fight Japan thousands of kilometres away when they have a real problem of their own and have a truce with them). The British and French were busy since 1939 in Europe and North Africa but they were at peace with Japan at the time until the japs declared war on them some time later, in which France and Britain lost horribly because of the sudden attack. Also, the British Raj was an active frontline of the war until the very end of it, so again, it's hard to deviate resources from India to China in that regard. You're ignoring the context of the war, it would be the same as me saying that it was very mean for China to not send aid to fight in the Western Front of WW1.
@zeitgeistx5239
5 жыл бұрын
It also should be noted that like the hollowing out of the KMT, the IJA in China went from the elite of the IJA in the 1930s to a husk of it's former self. With elite units before shipped out to fight WW2 and heavy units had all their equipment shipped out to replacement loses in the Pacific. So while the IJA is in a better shape than the KMT but they both lived off the land by 1944. By 1944 the IJA in China was largely living off the land as Japanese logistics become almost none existent as Japanese shipping collapsed. Japanese industrial capability was heavily damaged by B-29 raids to the extent that B-29s ran out of targets with firebombing wiping out majority of Japanese cities. The Japanese logistics situation was so bad in Vietnam in mid 1944 that one Japanese freighter captain refused to take Allied POWs to the mainland as he told them the waters were so full of US submarines that you could walk on them.
@owo5869
5 жыл бұрын
Zeitgeist X And in Guadacanal they're still trying to reserve forces for China campaign.
@fargr5926
2 жыл бұрын
Heavy ally bombing started in early 1945, largely Japanese industries were not damaged at all around Ichigo time. Ichigo received top priority per logistics as introduced in this video anyway.
@nonameisbetter3298
5 жыл бұрын
i knew i can always trust MHV and justin to do this part of history justice. most people i see talk about WW2 china usually favor either nationalist or the communist in their narrative, with english speaking side favoring nationalist the most and chinese speaking side favoring communist most. and you guys navigated that mine field like nobody's business. on a side note, i always think the nationalist and the communist's tactic supplemented each other better than their alliance itself. i can imagine it being a nightmare for IJA officer trying to adapt to enemy with 2 drastically different methods, where focusing on one would leave opening for the other.
@justinpyke1756
5 жыл бұрын
Thanks! I do try, but it is tough. One thing I didn't bring up in the video, but I have been thinking about more and more, is that the whole "who did more" debate is entirely asinine and ultimately pointless. One major advantage the CCP had over the KMT was that they could resist Japan AND build strength for the civil war with the same actions. Base areas and party infrastructure that was developed during the War of Resistance undermined and hurt the Japanese, but they didn't disappear with the Japanese surrender. The CCP was able to turn them on the KMT. The KMT on the other hand had to choose, because they were fighting predominately, but not exclusively, as a conventional force. A division thrown against the Japanese hurt the Japanese, but it was one more unit that would be chewed up before being used against the communists. The way the CCP rebuilt, expanded, and fought was exceptionally smart for the context.
@monophthalmos9633
5 жыл бұрын
If the Japanese were able to pull off an offensive like that in 1944, I can't help but wonder how the Second Sino-Japanese War would have ended if the Japanese hadn't declared war on anyone besides China.
@MarionTIA
5 жыл бұрын
IJA officers rolling in their graves right now
@phaenon4217
5 жыл бұрын
Gerhard Thiel It changes absolutely nothing. Declassified Joint board plan 355 documents show that American military actively preparing to launch a surprise pre-emptive air assault against the Imperial Japan in 1941 with FDR's approval and signature; it was postponed.
@phaenon4217
5 жыл бұрын
I could also mention Japans large oil, and food shortages but we all know that already right? Conquering just China would mean 1) still no oil, and 2) even more mouths to feed.
@SeismicHammer
5 жыл бұрын
Schwarzbraun This shortage is why they invaded Indonesia. Without US submarine cutting their supply lines, Japan’s shortage wouldn’t be so bad. The issue is that FDR had promised US support if the colonies in the Pacific were invaded.
@xingjueliao1852
5 жыл бұрын
The offensive caught the nationalists very unprepared. Given the trend of the war between 1937-1940, the war could only still be a stalemate without Pearl Harbor, as Japanese couldn’t get the resources they wanted from the land they conquered ,and the more land they took, the more CCP activity appeared behind the frontline.
@Gilgaladt
5 жыл бұрын
Deine/Eure Videos sind so informativ. Vielen vielen Dank für die harte Arbeit!
@parrot849
Жыл бұрын
Very interesting presentation, thank you. I wonder how much U.S. Army General Stillwell’s incompetence (actually the Pentagon and Washington DC’s inattention to the problem) and British over-attention with India and it’s ultimately unsuccessful attempts to hold onto her pre-WW2 colonies contributed to the terrible power vacuum within China in 1945. A power vacuum that Mao so readily exploited.
@johnkendall6962
4 жыл бұрын
One of the reasons the allies didn't fight this as much as you would think is because it removed a lot of troops that could have been used to defend the home Islands with no easy way to get them back. This was before the atomic bombs were built so military planners had to consider an invasion. Look at it as a much bigger piece of the wither on the vine strategy where not every island occupied by the Japanese was invaded just by passes and left to wither.
@jimmyli94650
5 жыл бұрын
Chiang wanted to use the Y Force that was being send to Yunnan to hold off the Japanese, but stupid Stilwell said no just to avenge his humiliation in Burma. Chiang from the being told him NOT to engage the Japanese in a set battle cause the Chinese Expeditionary Force was form with most of the elite units china had and COMPLETELY irreplaceable. So when Ichigo was underway there went THE ONLY FORCE that could have stop the Japanese into Burma where the C.B.I. can handle by themselves.
@justinpyke1756
5 жыл бұрын
Oh trust me, the next (impromptu) part of this discussion is coming soon and is basically 25 minutes of me ripping Stilwell a new asshole.
@ifyouchingchongmeiwillding9395
3 жыл бұрын
bullshit
@hiltibrant1976
5 жыл бұрын
Worth also pointing out that the strategic goal of opening a land route for resource flow from the SRA through China seems pretty questionable. The Japanese had such a lousy record in terms of engineering efforts that I don't see how they could have created a road - let alone a rail - network to allow any sort of efficient resource flow. The Burma Railroad took 1.5 years to build, using materials scrounged from infrastructure elsewhere in occupied DEI and Malaysia and made extensive use of POWs as labor and still only managed a throughput barely enough to supply Japanese troops in Burma in the end.
@justinpyke1756
5 жыл бұрын
Yeah, it was a pipe dream that never panned out. Predictably.
@derekuber1
5 жыл бұрын
Great video, I would like to see more on what happens next
@cyrilchui2811
5 жыл бұрын
As you said it was 7 years into the War, losing most industrial cities, so the ability of replenishing troops was nightmare. While corruption was common, I don't think loss of Kogo 1should be blamed on army corruption. I recalled KMT blamed it on Stilwell for "mis-allocation" of resource into Burma. Meanwhile Chang had his problem in replenishing his troops which tended to favour his own loyal KMT troops instead of "warlord" troops or worse Communist troops who on paper was reporting to Chang on common enemy Japan. Warlord commander had to fight on the notion that they had to find their own re-supply, which during early days go WW2, commanders had the concept that if their division strength was down to 2000 strong, they were demoted to brigade commander (hence the Han execution)
@maesterchris2120
5 жыл бұрын
A KZitemr going into the Asian theatre for more than 2 minutes? Amazing. Could you do a video on the 100 Regiments Offensive? I heard of it being a major turning point in the war where the CCP engaged in direct combat for the first time in the war on a large scale, but never saw an analysis for how this changed the theatre or Japanese strategy specifically
@reganmahoney8264
5 жыл бұрын
Love these videos and the use sources.
@RC15O5
5 жыл бұрын
Very informative video. You are correct in that this isn't really talked about, I learned a lot just from the description never-mind the video. Thank you!
@joseywales3848
4 жыл бұрын
That final quotation was powerful and awareness raising.
@dianeturner223
5 жыл бұрын
Much appreciated, this is such a terribly under served area of WW2 history. And yep I had never heard about it.
@justinpyke1756
5 жыл бұрын
Thanks!
@arsenal-slr9552
5 жыл бұрын
Why does the map say Mongolia where Manchuria/Manchukuo is? Lol
@justinpyke1756
5 жыл бұрын
Yeah, the map really isn't great. I wanted to use one from Hans van de Ven's book that is way better, but that may have been a copyright/usage issue so we had to settle for the crappy wiki map.
@arandomchinese6706
5 жыл бұрын
@Marry Christmas but northeast china has NEVER been called and has never been considered part of mongolia in china(and in japan),as chinese i can assure u that. So calling it mongolia is hilariously wrong.
@schlirf
5 жыл бұрын
Most Excellent Research!!! 😉
@odizzido
5 жыл бұрын
I have been reading the comments and there seems to be some debate as to the meaning of ichigo. According to wiki the original characters for this are 一号作戦. The meaning I get from this is number one, but the feeling behind it is likely it's number one in a series of operations, not that this is number one in importance. So this one would be 一号作戦, then they would launch 二号作戦 and then 三号作戦 (1, 2, 3, etc)
@owo5869
3 жыл бұрын
Isn’t it 伊?
@yalelingoz6346
5 жыл бұрын
Thank you for this video. I knew very little about this.
@kevincocking368
5 жыл бұрын
excellent enjoyed it
@MrSinaAzad
3 жыл бұрын
hey, just wanted to mention that the name of the operation Ichigo means strawberry, for it to mean one it should have been Ichi
@kspfan001
5 жыл бұрын
been waiting for this video
@fuzzydunlop7928
5 жыл бұрын
They couldn't have a force meet them half-way from Vietnam? Hell, I'd sure up that juicy salient in the North and then see if I could take a juicy bite of them in the south provided I could affect some kind of build-up at that point in the war - no clue what Japanese shipping looked like but I have to assume a good portion of it was busy supplying of the bottom of the ocean by this point.
@stevepirie8130
5 жыл бұрын
Fuzzy Dunlop certainly was suffering.
@thegreatgreenmenace4050
5 жыл бұрын
Wow excellent topic and presentation
@bipolatelly9806
5 жыл бұрын
A very good book on this campaign is The Yellow River Operation by I P Daily.
@elsoldadomarquez
5 жыл бұрын
Very interesting history, a version with pictures would make it perfect.
@icecold1805
3 жыл бұрын
Operation Ichigo: named as such cuz China #1
@williampaz2092
3 жыл бұрын
I have heard of this operation. It was a desperate attempt to finish ONE war (1: vs Chiang’s Nationalist Army, 2: vs Britain’s 14th Imperial Army led by General William Slim and 3a: United States General Douglas MacArthur and 3b: United States Admiral Chester Nimitz) allowing the Japanese to confront the remaining two opponents one at a time. As successful as Operation “ICHIGO” was however, Chiang would NOT give up or surrender. He just rounded up more conscripts and kept fighting.
@samaverill555
5 жыл бұрын
Congratulations on a thought provoking lecture on geo politics, relevant in our time.
@ytlagudanlyric1702
4 жыл бұрын
1944-1945 was the most badass year in the history of human ever
@Osvath97
5 жыл бұрын
Why am I so early? It is a really weird feeling when you actually experience being this early on a popular channel...
@bringbackmy90s
5 жыл бұрын
Fascinating video! Please more about the Wars in Asia. Dai-Nippon Banzai!
@nebojsag.5871
5 жыл бұрын
OK who else watched emperor Tigerstar and noticed the yuuge Japanese land gains during the late war and found out about Ichi-Go that way?
@bingobongo1615
5 жыл бұрын
Nebojša G. That is misleading though. Japan never controlled the countryside and therefore never really controlled most of the territory.
@DouglasMoran
5 жыл бұрын
@3:18 "that China was to be maintained in the war at minimum costs" Supplying China was expensive. The Japanese cut the Burma Road in 1942 and the replacement Ledo Road didn't reach China until January 1945. From 1942 on, the primary supply route was flying cargo planes over "The Hump", and even after the Leo Road opened, The Hump was still the primary supply route with the road augmenting it. So many planes were lost flying The Hump that it became know as "The Aluminum Highway" (for all the visible crashed planes). If I remember correctly, almost all the supplies being flown in supported the US forces, primarily the Air Corps, initially fighters (The Flying Tigers) and later bombers and eventually B-29s to strike Japan. At the end of their flights, the cargo planes could be within range of Japanese fighter planes and USAAC fighter protection was essential to keeping losses from becoming unsustainable (air frames and air crews). Q: Any sense of what the author (Rana Mitter, Forgotten Ally: China's World War II, 1937-1945) thought the Allies could have done to get more supplies to the KMT armies?
@justinpyke1756
5 жыл бұрын
Not have Stilwell intentionally withholding large sums of it as a form of coercion for starters. It also goes beyond supply and toward numerous broken allied promises to the Chinese. They had reasons to break them, good reasons in many cases, but they were broken just the same. Whenever the Chinese theatre concerns came up against the concerns of another theatre in the global war, China lost every time. Again, for good reasons from the Allied perspective, but the Chinese were left out to dry all the same. That is what he and other historians mean by minimum cost. China was not a primary theatre in the global war. Rightfully from a broad allied perspective, but that didn't help the KMT any. They were a junior allied partner, and were treated as such. No historian I have read suggests the allies should have dropped everything to pour resources into CBI, they just point out the reality of the situation.
@porksterbob
5 жыл бұрын
Not mess up the defense of Burma in the first place. Stilwell's leadership changed what could have been a minor defeat into a catastrophic strategic loss. Stilwell pushed for Chinese and commonwealth forces to be positioned 100 miles closer to Japanese forces than they needed to be. Stilwell had a "hunch" (his words) that the Japanese were weak a month after the Japanese had gone through malaya like a buzz saw and defeated the British in Rangoon and sittang bridge. Stilwell's plan was for the Chinese under American command to work with British, Indian, Australian, and Burmese troops under British command to conduct a coordinated elastic defense followed by a counter offensive. That is insane. We know how much trouble British and French forces had coordinating during the Battle of France with months to prepare. Or the amount of coordination problems between the Americans and the British in 1944 with years to prepare. Stilwells plan required flawless coordination of troops from six nations under three different commands with no history of working together against superior forces with better training and equipment. Of course it doesn't work and Stilwell blames the Chinese and the British for messing up his plan. Had the allies tried what the British and the Chinese had initially suggested (you know the guys who have experience fighting Japan) they would have ceded southern Burma, built a defensive line just south of mandalay, and bought time for Chinese troops to arrive and fortify themselves as well as sort out communication issues. It may still have gone wrong, but they only have to hold from March until May when the summer monsoon makes all offensive action impossible. If the allies hold North Burma in 1942, it becomes much, much safer and cheaper to supply China from India. (the arakan mountains are much lower than the himalayas) and much easier to kick the Japanese out of Burma entirely. The Japanese only went for the full occupation of Burma in 1942 they couldn't believe their luck in being able to surround, defeat, and destroy all of the allied forces in southern Burma.
@stevepirie8130
5 жыл бұрын
Japan hit the right people except for the US. With their strong navy they knew China couldn’t be helped by sea. A What If? question is if they’d said to the US we won’t touch a thing of yours, or Australia and NZ but we’ll kick the Europeans out of Asia how would things have gone? Germany wouldn’t have declared war on the US when it did. The US wouldn’t have had the political will to grow so quickly militarily. They could sit it out but feed machines to Russia and GB at great profit. The IJN had learnt their lesson not to tangle with the Soviets. The British Empire was at death’s door and vulnerable. The resources they needed were there for the taking. The answer of course is in their leadership and the military’s influence on it.
@DouglasMoran
5 жыл бұрын
@@stevepirie8130 This reply is off the topic of the video, but your statement that Japan could have continued the war in China without bringing in the US is wrong. Because of the war in China, the US had slapped crippling sanctions/embargos on Japan, most notably steel and oil. At the time of the Pearl Harbor attack, Japan had calculated that they had 6 months before the shortages became severe. The choice to continue the conquest of China meant that Japan needed to end the embargos and the only way they saw to do that was to swiftly defeat the US.
@stevepirie8130
5 жыл бұрын
Very true about sanctions, what if the Japanese had taken a different path. By that I mean leave China alone but attack the European colonies only? The British, Dutch, Portuguese, etc? The US would have had no reason until that point to apply for sanctions. The Japanese would have plenty oil, rubber, etc. If I was Japan at that point I could say basically I’m protecting my fellow Asians from evil Europeans, etc. Then if the Germans who at that point in ‘41 were still on the ascendant publicly said to America leave my buddy alone or else,would the President have enough support to go to war just to rescue Euros foreign assets?
@johnyricco1220
5 жыл бұрын
It's not so much the damage the Japanese did to Nationalist forces which led to Communist victory. Rather the incompetence of Chiang's forces in this campaign foreshadowed their failure in the civil war. Whereas the Soviets got better and better as the war went along, the Nationalist Chinese deteriorated. Not only did the army become less effective but the civilian administration became more corrupt and dysfunctional.
@porksterbob
5 жыл бұрын
It was the damage done. Even with this, the kmt still almost won the civil war in 1946. The myth of the "kmt was inevitably doomed" was promulgated by the communists for their own reasons but also strangely enough, accepted by American policy makers who didn't want to get blamed for not doing enough to help the kmt. The corruption and incompetence was a huge factor but it was a consequence of the war and not necessarily irrecoverable.
@markholm6955
5 жыл бұрын
Intresting video - good information
@alexstark7512
5 жыл бұрын
As soon as I saw the subject, I knew it was a reference to Ichigo - not only it is the overlooked in its size but it's success, particularly against the tide of war at the time
@princeofcupspoc9073
5 жыл бұрын
Ichi-go in the east, Bagration in the west. It certainly makes Normandy, North Africa, and Italy seem like minor campaigns.
@efffvss
5 жыл бұрын
Less so than you might think. The scale of Bagration is surprisingly similar to Overlord/Dragoon. In France it was around 2 million Allies vs 650,000 Germans, whereas Bagration was 2.5 million Soviets vs 850,000 Germans. Yes, Bagration was larger, but the operations are in the same league imo. Both operations cost the German army around 40 Combat Divisions, with Bagration inflicting somewhere in the region of 300-500,000 casualties (estimates vary wildly), while the numbers for Overlord/Dragoon go from 290-530,000. The biggest difference is the casualties of the victors, with around 770,000 Soviet casualties and 'only' 220,000 Allied.
@blockmasterscott
5 жыл бұрын
Wow, I never heard of this operation!
@kspfan001
4 жыл бұрын
Has Justin written any books about this stuff? He does his homework and really like the videos that use him as a reference for ww2 in the pacific and it is refreshing to hear an updated perspective instead of the usual US-centric narrative. If he doesn't have any books, he should. Better yet he should make audiobooks of them cus I could listen to him talk about this stuff for hours.
@taoliu3949
3 жыл бұрын
He has a masters in history, that means he has a thesis lying around somewhere
@markrowland1366
5 жыл бұрын
Yes, Japan started, Number One, the allies started Neptune, USSR started Bagranand in the Pacific, the US sent about a thousand ships at 71000 dug in Japanese on Sampan knowing they would have to kill near every one. That started the same date as Neptune was to. June 5,1944.
@augustuswade9781
11 ай бұрын
Japan was do close to sealing the deal back in 1940 Then they got into Indochina
@johnmcmickle5685
3 жыл бұрын
Keep in mind that the US Navy finally had a working torpedo for its submarines in September 1943. That made transporting things by ship was much more risky and difficult.
@spoddie
5 жыл бұрын
Very interesting, well presented. Ichigo also means strawberry, so at first I was wondering what that was about.
@西方负典编译组
5 жыл бұрын
well there is actually a slight difference in pronunciation between the "No.1" ichigo and "strawberry" ichigo, though it's hard to distinguish them in their english form, also called romaji form
@mgway4661
3 жыл бұрын
Thank you that was amazing
@sparkey6746
5 жыл бұрын
Well done, thank you.
@WildBillCox13
5 жыл бұрын
A bit of color about Ichi-Go from the USA . . . and Jimmy Stuart? "The 1958 novel The Mountain Road, by Theodore White, a Time magazine correspondent in China at the time of the offensive, was based on an interview with former OSS Major Frank Gleason, who led a demolition group of American soldiers during the offensive that were charged with blowing up anything left behind in the retreat that might be of use to Japan. His group ultimately destroyed over 150 bridges and 50,000 tons of munitions, helping slow the Japanese advance. In 1960, it was adapted into a film starring James Stewart and Lisa Lu, noteworthy for being one of Stewart's only war films and the only one where he plays a soldier, as he was opposed to war films due to their inaccuracy. It is generally believed he made an exception for this film because it was anti-war." Source: everyone's favorite argument mill: Wikipedia.
@andrewnorrie2731
5 жыл бұрын
Some of the links and sources for 'Wikipedia' articles are extremely useful, others less so. There also seems to be a concerted editing campaign with certain kinds of subjects.
@Crashed131963
4 жыл бұрын
"They all have a plan until you punch them in the face" Mike Tyson:
@SouthParkCows88
5 жыл бұрын
Been there, done that, heard of it!!! Glad to finally see it visually though.
@christopherderrah3294
3 жыл бұрын
anyone see the film "The Mountain Road" with Jimmy Stewart?
@zillsburyy1
Жыл бұрын
ever hear about that japanese Kamikaze Commando airborne raid? Okinawa 1945
@ronaldfinkelstein6335
5 жыл бұрын
Those Chinese resources they were going to ship overland, would eventually have to cross water. And US submarines would make that all but impossible, by 1945.
@raoulduke2625
5 жыл бұрын
If you have been asked this I apologize. I may be imagining things , but i thought I saw you on a recent ATT commercial. True? Or my imagination. I love your channels Take care
@lavrentivs9891
5 жыл бұрын
I had heard about this offensive, in Anthony Beevor's "The Second World War" ^^
@Chironex_Fleckeri
4 жыл бұрын
A good introduction to the war for sure! Some of his narratives are quite outdated, though.
@alexandervolkov5205
5 жыл бұрын
i'm in absoulute in shock and awe at those numbers, 800 tanks?!?! how the hell have i never heard of this???
@ineednochannelyoutube5384
5 жыл бұрын
I dont know if that is sarcasm but circa1k afvs for an armygroup is avrage for the time.
@alexandervolkov5205
5 жыл бұрын
I need no channel youtube! Yeah that's fair, and I'm not being sarcastic because this is the Japanese we're talking about here... Theyre not exactly know for their large tank offensives.. prior to hearing this I was under the assumption that the Japanese largest tank offensive was on some island forget specifically sorry but it was less than around 100 tanks I think
@ineednochannelyoutube5384
5 жыл бұрын
@@alexandervolkov5205 Thats fair. To be honest though, tanks are not the ideal tool of warfare on volcanic jungle islands...
@alexandervolkov5205
5 жыл бұрын
I need no channel youtube! Yeah also a fair point that's why this offensive has me stunned XD (why can't more KZitem fans be like MHV)
@ineednochannelyoutube5384
5 жыл бұрын
@@alexandervolkov5205 It paints a sobering picture of what could have happened had the USSR fallen. I feel like today we are all too secure in our belief that all the nazis successes were a massive stroke of luck, and they had no chance of victory. It makes us not take any similar threat seriously.
@PuffyCataphract
3 жыл бұрын
The historical lack of infrastructure and firepower is traumatizing for China to say the least, which brings about an utter overkill of infrastructure in the modern day. Well, not saying it's a bad thing.
@somethingelse4878
3 жыл бұрын
Wow I'm English and when someone with a German accent talks, you pay attention lol Even while my wife was trying to pass Tap water off as bottled to my son as the brand Tapsons water I still paid attention lol
@johnburns4017
5 жыл бұрын
In April 1944, at the start of Ichigo the British with an army of 2.6 million was pushing the Japanese out of Burma. It made sense for the Japanese to take all the coastal areas of China and meet up with the Japanese forces in Indochina, keeping US bases in China further away from Japan and ready to meet any large British Army that may come in via Burma or South East Asia - although it was mountainous between Burma and China. Look at how the Japanese saw matters in 1944.
@DeLaCruz878
3 жыл бұрын
Damn what a cliffhanger LOL.
@arsenal-slr9552
5 жыл бұрын
Ahh this makes my Fridays better
@Montaign3
5 жыл бұрын
Not sure if you lads will see this but there was a new book published by the end of last year (2018) that revisited the war of resistance with scholars from Stanford hoover institute, university of nanking, university of Tokyo (not exhaustive) that used newly available archives. Revisiting the Second Sino Japanese War or 重探抗戰史. It's is as good as forgotten ally if not better.
@MilitaryHistoryNotVisualized
5 жыл бұрын
thx, I will let Justin know as well.
@Montaign3
5 жыл бұрын
@@MilitaryHistoryNotVisualized I must say that your works are really fine. I'm studying history in uni and the most my works can be is to be read by professors and instructors. I do take pride in my papers, but having it seen and liked by so many other people is beyond me.
@justinpyke1756
5 жыл бұрын
Hey Spencer! Thanks! Do you have a link or anything? I googled around a bit, but I haven't found it yet. I'm sure I'm just being dumb, but due to personal life/work stuff, I have been run off my feet so much that I haven't even had time to sit down and google something for more than 30 seconds. Though, is it in English? If not that would explain it, my Japanese is terrible and my Chinese is nonexistent unfortunately.
@Montaign3
5 жыл бұрын
@@justinpyke1756 Hi Justin, sorry to bother you at such a busy time, hope everything goes well. I googled the book myself, and it seems that the only version thus far is the Chinese printed version which I have read, it is only the first part as well; the second part is not yet published. I'm not sure if there will be an English translation either.
@justinpyke1756
5 жыл бұрын
@@Montaign3 Hey Spencer, No need to apologize! Thanks for the heads up. Hopefully it makes its way to English!
@casparcoaster1936
5 жыл бұрын
interesting, but dissappointing that most important geographic references (provinces, and some cities) in the presentation were not on the map...
@bezukaking6860
4 жыл бұрын
so this was Japan's Battle of the Bulge, except slightly more effective?
@thurbine2411
5 жыл бұрын
I actually read a book about this offensive a few weeks ago
@geraintthatcher3076
5 жыл бұрын
Stillwell in Burma 🙄 I guess Bill Slim and the British 14th Army don't count 🤷♂️
@princeofcupspoc9073
5 жыл бұрын
By this time was Slim even still there? He did an OK job keeping his forces from completely disintegrating, but outside of British propaganda, he really meant little to the outcome. Sorry, just the truth.
@porksterbob
5 жыл бұрын
Stilwell in Burma mattered more since he was using a bunch of Chinas best divisions "Y force" and airpower in Burma while all this was going on. Slims forces didn't have the potential to be redirected to fight ichigo, Stilwell's did.
@geraintthatcher3076
5 жыл бұрын
@@porksterbob you don't know what your talking about
@porksterbob
5 жыл бұрын
@@geraintthatcher3076 where am in error? Slims forces were operating from near modern Bangladesh. Y force was in South yunnan. Some of them were actually redirected to the Chinese interior at the end of ichigo when wedermeyer took over.
@justinpyke1756
5 жыл бұрын
Not in this story they don't. In the specific mention you are referring to, where you stupidly seize on literally one sentence fragment in passing, I was referring to what the UNITED STATES 14th Air Force was being drawn off to support: the Chinese forces under Stilwell in Burma. Believe it or not, but the British had their own air power! I understand there is an entire cottage industry of idiotic GOTCHA commenters on the internet, but really? I know plenty about it. I have chatted with Robert Lyman about it. I intend to do a chat similar to this at some point down the line about the British Empire forces in Burma/India, Imphal and Kohima, etc. I will not do that until I have read enough of the available sources that I can do that part of the war justice. Get a grip. porksterbob, who you are shit-talking, knows his stuff regarding Burma. Evidently far more than you do.
@PalleRasmussen
3 жыл бұрын
Oh how often have I tried that in WIF...
@SonOfTerra92
4 жыл бұрын
They were eating an elephant and decide to order more elephants.
@andrewblakes1697
5 жыл бұрын
Man does this guest have a Voice like one I used to hear playing Red Orchestra or Heroes of Stalingrad/Rising Storm. What great memories with many lovers of History. But games are for.....
@LAGERUNG3
5 жыл бұрын
What a bloody catastrophe. Only the Reds gained from that war.
@millardwashington6216
5 жыл бұрын
LAGERUNG3 they hadn’t shown their Imperialist attitude yet like the west
@LordDarthViadro
4 жыл бұрын
Creator of this map doesnt know where Mongolia is.
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