Maybe chapter 2 is dropping prices to keep from rebranding as chapter 11
@kyleanderson1661
Жыл бұрын
I love the fact that a $500 Rapha kit was Jesses go to kit but those “elitest bikes” are the devil
@TrickyTree84
Жыл бұрын
I've picked up rapha bibs for £40. Tops for the same. They are the best fitting for a regular British person. Most comfortable bibs too
@eto2352
Жыл бұрын
Feather is the Brit Nat'l Hill Climb Champ - it's a legit thing. Yes, his power is just stunning and wild he rides out the saddle so long.
@TheMoodyedge
Жыл бұрын
Dudes a freak.
@sknkwrksowner
Жыл бұрын
If you have ever seen Jim Furyk swing a golf club, it would be the same thing. Despite the optics, it works for Feather. He might have tried the "text book way" and felt like hot garbage. It happens, but purists always 'loose their collective $hit" over stuff like this. lol
@eto2352
Жыл бұрын
@@sknkwrksowner no one is bent out of shape, it's simply unusual that he rides out of the saddle for so long
@thisgustin
Жыл бұрын
@@eto2352 Of course it is, because not many think out the box to try what works best. Down the road, more climbers may try this if it works for them.
@stephenschaefer9994
Жыл бұрын
I was in the peloton at USA road nationals while Quinn was up the road. Bit of a prisoner's dilemma for McNulty at that moment. Made me appreciate how carefully orchestrated WT races are, and just how strong Quinn Simmons was that day.
@randallsmith7885
Жыл бұрын
The TOA pricing discussion brings a lot to light. Obscene margins come to mind… my strategy is to close my wallet and wait for the discounts to start rolling in.
@EMBIKES
Жыл бұрын
just picked up a brand new sworks epic evo for 7k.. its starting
@randallsmith7885
Жыл бұрын
@@EMBIKES well done!
@moorsal
Жыл бұрын
Just picked up a Izalco Max 9.8 with 105Di2 (in lieu of Ultegra Di2) for $6k. RRP $10.5k. Winning!
@randallsmith7885
Жыл бұрын
@@moorsal well done!
@kalijasin
Жыл бұрын
"close my wallet and wait for the discounts to start rolling in" That's what I do!
@Philatlondon1
Жыл бұрын
Andrew Feather is National Hill Climb champ in the UK.
@benthilwind6908
Жыл бұрын
can't wait for the struggle this year gonna be epic with all the KZitemness the last few months lots of coverage
@HarryTzianakisTheGodOfSpeed
Жыл бұрын
With a name like that how can he not be. Zwift uses his last name
@sloopjohnbable
Жыл бұрын
dropping the price by 30% means you are about to go bust because you can't sell anything and need the cashflow
@RideWithGerben
Жыл бұрын
This! They want to show investors that they can move some frames.
@DanTuber
Жыл бұрын
Ditto. Too overpriced and niche with no point of difference.
@andrewarnold3308
Жыл бұрын
absolutely agree with this. What people don't appreciate is that with interest rates increasing, the carrying cost of all this excess inventory not moving in a contracting market just got that much more expensive. If you can move the product and maintain cashflow you can stay solvent and get your business in a spot. Those companies that figure it out quickly will stay solvent, those that dont will not be here in 24-36 months. Bike shops are going to be in the same spot if they dont figure it out as well.
@onenotesolo256
Жыл бұрын
@@andrewarnold3308yep this. They either need to pay suppliers and / or creditors, and that means offloading inventory pronto.
@MrJdlf
Жыл бұрын
That's usually the case. I'd like to think it's motivated by what they mention in the video, that they are trying to front-run the value vs luxury divide but who knows. I have 2 C2s and look forward to my third!
@robertcavanagh
Жыл бұрын
Rim is still all good to me I have three rim bikes all parts are interchangeable and all my wheelsets fit. Easy to maintain and service myself
@brettrobertson2744
Жыл бұрын
Prices can drop by 30% because they increased by 50-100% during the pandemic
@bitchoflivingblah
Жыл бұрын
Andrew Feather is the National Hill Climb Champion and won it this year on the Old Horseshoe Pass in North Wales. As he went past me near the top I just gasped at his pace, he was absolutely flying. And yes, he is world class at these 6-10 minute efforts.
@Philatlondon1
Жыл бұрын
As an ex runner, when I took up cycling, I was much better riding out of the saddle, so I could use running muscles. I think it's the same reason Michael Woods climbs out of the saddle so much.
@donbarnard82
Жыл бұрын
I went to look at woods videos for that reason, then contador... I don't really see the difference between any of them. A lot depends on how steep the road is as to how upright they're standing.
@kalijasin
Жыл бұрын
Interesting perspective.
@jamesderrickfilms4641
Жыл бұрын
I feel like what Rapha is doing with these collabs isn’t targeting customers who are neccessarily cyclists first, but trying to draw in potential customers on the cusp of exploring cycling fashion, probably as means of moving away from that technical side which like you mentioned, they can’t really compete with any more. So for you Jesse maybe you don’t know palace, but for someone into streetwear, thats a god tier collab. For example, rapha meant nothing to my mate when I was talking cycling brands clothing with him, but the moment I mentioned palace he frothed it. For someone who might be somewhat lost in choosing cycling kit in any case I reckon that attaching themselves to a brand more in that regular fashion sphere would work. I think it’s about making cycling fashion cool to a regular person rather than a fully dedicated cyclist. At the end of the day, someone already in the sport is probably more likely to want to focus on the technical side of it and go with a brand like rule 28, but it’s important to remember the majority of the market are likely never going to race a single day in their life. I reckon focusing on niche streetwear brands that can portray being cool for the “regular” person is probably a pretty good way of capturing that side of the market.
@jasonyltan7672
Жыл бұрын
Rapha has been trying to take High Street since their inception, with some limited success. However the new breed of post covid cyclists want something edgier, less established big brand and even lesser snob appeal but at the same time higher quality cycling apparel which was why older established brands like Castelli, Santini etc never got any bigger nor evolved with the times despite their superior tech and designs. Rapha should concentrate on updating their quality controls, materials and designs rather than aesthetic looks as their prices and quality are on a reverse and opposite trajectory for some years now.
@charliedillon1400
Жыл бұрын
You have a good insight here. Once upon a time, Quiksilver and Billabong just sold boardshorts to surfers. When they figured out people wanted to look like surfers, they ended up in Middle America and took off like crazy.
@fukawitribe
Жыл бұрын
@@W2HTLCA To be fair, it would have been helpful if they'd researched almost any of this ;)
@Kashimax
Жыл бұрын
Jai Hindley climbs in the drops, modern day example
@capskibuttinski
Жыл бұрын
Saint-Raphaël was a French professional cycling team that existed from 1954 to 1964. Jacques Anquetil raced for Saint-Raphaël as well as Brian Robinson, Tom Simpson, and Raphaël Géminiani
@rayrodriguez457
Жыл бұрын
The Rapha/Paul Smith collaboration has always made sense because Paul Smith is known for being mad for bikes.
@lesliereissner4711
Жыл бұрын
He was planning to go pro until he had a bad crash and ended up in art school. In addition to Rapha stuff, he did some designs for Mercian bicycles, I think. And I recommend the book he did for Thames & Hudson: Paul Smith's Cycling Scrapbook. Good fun!
@logojones96
Жыл бұрын
@@lesliereissner4711 yup! the Paul smith Kask helmets are so cool too!
@TheCountrySteve
Жыл бұрын
I was going to say the same. Not only that, but I think his own collections generally contain cycling kit. It might actually be cheaper to buy his Rapha collaborations
@Flexb777
Жыл бұрын
Love Paul Smith’s Kask helmets, I own 3! 2 Protone and 1 Utopia. Also recently bought the Rapha Paul Smith Glasses and Love it!!
@joshpower1073
Жыл бұрын
I'm the 1% wrote off my rim frame. Could not find a new frame that I wanted without dropping 1,600GBP on a tcr with a seat mast i couldn't adjust. Didn't want to go disc because of it limiting me in terms of wheel choice and budget. Going with a second hand tcr with ultegra mechanical. Junior racing locally in the UK and mincing about in the hills
@joshualancekemp
Жыл бұрын
I liked the “average speed” diversion… I ride alone a lot and have been doing longer rides lately so to spice it up I’ll flip my screen to avg speed for the last 20-30 miles and see how high I can get it. I believe my best comes when I’m tired and work to pedal perfect circles and push on through pain. Another great show! 👍🏼👊🏼
@cliveastman6448
Жыл бұрын
Did you guys not see the British National Championship and Crit race 😮. The road race was phenomenal and straight from the gun was full gas racing. The race itself had more elevation than a typical Grand Tour stage. Great to see Fred Wright get his first Pro victory after knocking on the door for so long. Also great to see Harrison Wood have an amazing ride along with all the up and coming brilliant British talent 🚵🤩👏👍
@cliveastman6448
Жыл бұрын
I also have to add that other National Championship races such as The French, Belgium and Dutch were great to watch. Especially in the temperatures they had to race. Congratulations to Valentin Madouas. He rode the race of his life. It was great viewing and amazing to watch. Remco showed his class and rode everyone off his wheel. Hats off to Dries de Bont for coming second. In the Dutch Championship Jumbo out-foxed everyone. Shame you never mentioned these races 😢
@Second247
Жыл бұрын
I have rim brakes in my indoor training bike, fully operational system which hasn't failed me once! BRING BACK THE RIM BRAKES!
@DjCringefest
Жыл бұрын
OUTSIDE!
@JPDCC
Жыл бұрын
Same 😂😂😂
@jeffreypizzolato1267
Жыл бұрын
Palace skateboards from London founded in 2009. Also, Rapha in 2017 the Walton heirs of Walmart made an investment for more than 50% of the company.
@thenoclue90
Жыл бұрын
Feather has talked about his bike fit before. He has said he can’t get out the same relative power seated and he is more comfortable standing. Also his bike is set up for the standing climbing position/style (hoods tilted up, no bar tape etc). Obviously it works well for him as he has the most Strava KOMs in the world. Plus he was never a full time cyclist (he is a lawyer I think?)
@ChrisMillerCycling
Жыл бұрын
The guy is simply amazing!
@robertlight2370
Жыл бұрын
Yeah, maybe when he was younger he had a choice between trying to become a pro cyclist by signing for some conti team for a pittance, or having a career as a solicitor and riding bikes for fun as an amateur. A lot of people would take option 2.
@randallsmith7885
Жыл бұрын
Further to the pricing discussion. what is the difference between a Pinarello Dogma F with a world tour team sponsorship and a Time bike with very fine quality construction, but less marketing froth? About $3,000US worth of ‘brand value’, as the marketers call it.
@georgesj9536
Жыл бұрын
The Rapha collabs are amazing and do give clout to the brand cause now all your non cycling friends think "oh you're doing that weird sport but hey apparently these big designer brands are part of it"
@jyalpert
Жыл бұрын
I’ve been confused about the value of a high end road bike for years, simply by comparing what you get (in terms of complexity, innovation, etc.) for, say, $5k in a road bike vs a full suspension mountain bike. I honestly don’t know where the cost goes in an expensive road bike - you guys worked with a vendor, what am I missing? A mountain bike comes with like 8 different carbon parts all requiring their own molds, many bushings and bearings, two spring-damper systems with precision hydraulic parts, a dropper post, etc.
@ChrisMillerCycling
Жыл бұрын
Good point
@christopherbaird4952
Жыл бұрын
"Can we be done with mechanical shifting?" No, here's why: 90% of my rides I realize in the afternoon that I have an hour or two to ride. I want to put my stuff on, squeeze the tires, maybe check the brakes, and ride away. It can make some sense for racing, where you're going through the bike thoroughly before the race, but the chance that I need to charge a battery after not having a chance to ride or service my bike for a week or two, even if the chance is low, is too high. Plus the fact that you can own hardware but if it has software you're only renting it.
@mart1nandersson
Жыл бұрын
I think that St Raphael was the sponsor of a pro team in the 60ies. Rapha took their inspiration from the look of that pro teams jersey when starting the brand.
@dennismurray00
Жыл бұрын
I've built two rim brake bikes this spring. You can get some great deals on amazing rim brake bikes now.
@yarivyos
Жыл бұрын
Chapter 2. Purely spectulation, so not directed at them specifically, but if a company is getting beat up at retail, and they need to generate cash, a deep cut is one way to boost sales and get attention. An old saying - "the first cut is the deepest". Retailing and wholesales is tough. Stick around long enough and you'll see brands come and go.
@stevegriffiths605
Жыл бұрын
Great subject points again guys as always. Last year I made the afternoon trip into The Rapha store in Manchester to specifically watch the iconic AlpeD’Huez stage jus to feel the buzz of our cycling world in a terrific location. Couple coffee and cake and a result any ex-patPOHM would have wanted to boot. I must have spent easy £300 in the store that afternoon. Personally as is with your show, I really like their kit.I purchased a Legion jersey which I now ride (amongst many brands I choose) and all the gang compliment the looks and design and styling of it here on the Gold Coast. I also prefer their bibs ( again we are all different down there!) but they work for me in fit n comfort and no pinch chaffing points. It’s nice to be different and I do enjoy that boutique styling of many brands nowadays but it does cost you more in the pocket. Plus maybe another talking point for you and us all is the design your own kit builders out there? Thanks for the show as always. “Stiffy” on the GC. And yes you may ask!!
@keepingtherubberdown5715
Жыл бұрын
You guys forget that in the womens Coryn was a crit racer before she went to Jumbo. She was sweeping up Crits long before that win. In the womens road race Skylar who took 3rd was racing here in Tour Of America's Dairyland a day before and was taking preems and wins when she wanted. I think she was tired but still did awesome as she is not a road racer.
@meibing4912
Жыл бұрын
Facts and science wins over time. People were also very reluctant/skeptical moving to wider tires; Waxing works, aero rules, disc brakes are safer but heavier/less aero (What most important to the 99% and how long before UCI says "Mandatory"?), helmets work, hydration is key, deeper wheels are faster unless you are only going up and even then its often a tie, tubeless is faster than with tubes etc. etc. These things are not decided by vote - numbers win, and we have many more numbers than ever.
@troruaz
Жыл бұрын
Back during the height of COVID, I remember watching a Zwift promotion where Michael Woods (at the time was on EF) won an AdZ challenge against a group of other WTers. During the post-event interview, he mentioned that him being a prior elite runner, the standing position put his body into an almost running position and for that effort/duration allowed him to lock into "running" mode for this relatively trivial amount of time (~30 minutes) vs a multi-hour road stage would entail. I wonder if Feather has similar biomechanics?
@kokonanana1
Жыл бұрын
30 minutes. Probably just a little longer than his 10K running time.
@georgehagstrom4022
Жыл бұрын
There are definitely a handful of the really strong e-racers who ride out of the saddle at super low cadences. I don't doubt Jesse's point about efficiency, but maybe there are other benefits that let you generate more power that way in certain circumstances (could be as simple as more muscle mass means more glycogen available). Obviously doesn't work for most road riding. At durations under 10 minutes I am way stronger out of the saddle.
@jfreck
Жыл бұрын
not how i expected the data screen chat to go, but i'm here for it haha
@ChrisMillerCycling
Жыл бұрын
The embarrassing truth 🤣
@silviugheorghe7118
Жыл бұрын
Guys this show is like a light tower in a see of information and bro science. Thank you and keep it up! Greetings from Austri! (We don’t have kangaroos here:))
@ChrisMillerCycling
Жыл бұрын
HAHA!!! Thanks man, really appreciate that
@HarryTzianakisTheGodOfSpeed
Жыл бұрын
My computer screen is set up with cadence, average cadence ,Speed, average speed , distance, HR .. Power is for beginners and nebbies ...
@HarryTzianakisTheGodOfSpeed
Жыл бұрын
i would always try coming home with a 20 plus average
@HarryTzianakisTheGodOfSpeed
Жыл бұрын
The first thing I look at when I go into someone Strava is their average speed . That is the most accurate indicator of how hard someone went on a ride other than HR and HR can be a little different every time because of let's say humidity. So for me average speed is the number one indicator of how hard someone went.
@Bigd6442
Жыл бұрын
The reason for the reduction in cost is inventory cost are rising through the roof. Supply chains cost had ballooned over 21/22 and have collapsed in 2023. supply grew through the end of 2022/24 and most companies are still receiving old inventory when they should be moving to 23/24 inventory. Talk to GC Performance, he’ll tell about what’s happening in the US.
@KatieKookaburra
Жыл бұрын
I sometimes climb in the drops 🙈 But that's not nearly as bas as stopping a ride early to keep the average speed up. Unreal! 🙃
@cliveastman6448
Жыл бұрын
It's real 😂 I know quite a few folks who stop their ride early to keep their average speed up. Especially if they live on a hill 👍😁
@notkaty
7 ай бұрын
Chris knowing the ins and outs of UK men's fashion had me impressed.
@mlafleurhua
Жыл бұрын
Good animated and entertaining conversation as usual. Your personalities mesh well in this format. One area to improve: please do more prep research. You really should know going into the recording session stuff like who is Andrew Feather, how big of a brand Palace is, the demographics driving road bike sales, etc. Final comment, your Eurobike segment emphasized the return of the emphasis on low weight. This really highlights how cynical the bike industry is. Haven’t they been pushing the « weight is not important « story for almost 2 years now.
@bradleybabel4814
Жыл бұрын
Weight that is sorry just to explain my comment.
@felixblock1542
Жыл бұрын
105 mechanical is nevertheless a good thing. But only if it makes it more attractive in terms of price. In my opinion, you do not need electronic shifting on a road bike with good cable routing (!). If the tension friction is not too high, little can break on a mechanical circuit. With electronic shifting, whether with cable or wireless, there are some more sources of error. I was allowed to learn that through the SRAM Etap 11x. In addition, it must be maintained more. For the frequent driver, it certainly does not matter. But for the beginner, simpler is usually better. Or for the one who rarely drives. Personally, I still drive my 9000 and 6800/8000 Ultegra mechanical on the road bike. Perfect, at least with Jagwire cables. On the TT I can see that electronic shifting makes sense, because you can then switch directly at the basebar when braking. On the TT I also have electronic shifting, also because the shift grips and the position of the grips no longer affects the position (on the extensions). Unfortunately, the entry prices in the bike market are no longer as before. Since you could say: get you 105 or if you want to spend a little more Ultegra and you are good to very good to go. The weight advantage of Ultegra vs. 105 was already there, albeit marginal, but also hardly more expensive. Unfortunately, we are now far away from this, because the starting price of the "performance groups", so 105 and higher, is significantly higher. Unfortunately. The powermeter story of the Rival is of course already correct, but not everyone rides (strangely enough) with a powermeter.
@timgray4305
Жыл бұрын
I can fix a mechanical shifter, I can't fix an electronic shifter.
@kellrockets101
Жыл бұрын
I can't fix either.....and I only want the electronic shifting
@tombladon8064
Жыл бұрын
The last 5 minutes of rapha chat was great, so funny watching Jesse slowly peice together that he’s not young or cool anymore…
@cliveastman6448
Жыл бұрын
Bring out the pipe and slippers 😂😮
@ChrisMillerCycling
Жыл бұрын
😂
@Thomas5937
Жыл бұрын
They’re able to drop $1000 off a frame because they, like every other brand, have been taking customers for even more of a ride than normal the last 3 years and now the bikes aren’t moving. The margins on bicycling stuff are absurd even in normal circumstances. Add Covid pricing on top of that and it’s frankly insulting. I have not purchased a bike from a bike shop since before Covid. The same bike I bought in 2018 for $600 now retails for $1100 and the only change I can find is they put the new version of Claris on it when that came out.
@paul-cp8eg
7 ай бұрын
Average speed segment was the best! So true. Race to the stop and grab a handful of brake.
@djones_IronSharpensIron
Жыл бұрын
Thank goodness for a 105 mechanical offering. I work in IT and there is no way I'd ever switch to an electronic setup. Id rather now worry about batteries and not feed into the bean counters need to influence marketing items not needed.
@josephrasero3093
Жыл бұрын
Mechanical vs electronic is the new rim vs disc. Got into a debate other day with people online about how mechanical is on its way out at least on higher end race bikes
@OTBTBDA
Жыл бұрын
Thats another way the bike industry is shooting itself in the foot. I think electronic is great (especially for those with disabilities) but I want choice and I like the simplicity of mechanical where is reliable and GREENER (no batteries to go in the trash) then electronic gearing.
@GravelRacer1
Жыл бұрын
@OTBTBDA 10 years from now you'll still be riding your mechical with no issues. You'll be replacing your electric by then due to broken parts and dead batteries that are no longer in production.
@josephrasero3093
Жыл бұрын
@@OTBTBDA I mean yes but I think this is highly overstated. I have original SRAM AXS batteries from 2019 when they launched 12 speed that I still use today so no I don’t think this stuff is just e-waste. Also talk about simplicity, due to the true lack of wire SRAM AXS is one of the easiest groupsets to setup or swap on and off a bike. Yes adding complexity to anything just adds potential failure but if Shimano 105 12 speed mechanical comes out at the same price as SRAM Rival AXS or close to it, I think it then begs the question who would still holdout for mechanical at that point?
@dtacto
Жыл бұрын
Carbon frames have a huge part of the cost tied up in up-front fixed costs like mold design. If Chapter 2 makes enough volume to be in the black after these big fixed costs (an uncertain prospect for them at the beginning to be sure), then they can still be profitable selling just above the relatively small marginal cost of each new frame beyond that. Could be a clever way to prolong the product lifecycle of molds that haven't been updated in some years and can't easily demand a premium...
@markcycles
Жыл бұрын
For chapter 2, it always seemed like that here in the US they advertised a deal where they included the Mana bar with the bar for free. And then it just sort of became standard. To me that says they need to move units to show investors they can, or margins are too high, or both. Hopefully they can find their competitive edge with the new price points. While I don’t own one of those bikes, I always enjoy seeing the paint concept editions they release. Good looking bikes.
@dustyhoods
Жыл бұрын
DC Rainmaker 1:46 at the end of his video answers why Eurobike is not hyping anymore
@scotth3354
Жыл бұрын
A steeper seat tube doesn’t necessarily put you further forward, it allows you to go further forward if you want to.
@caerffili_callin
Жыл бұрын
A climbing style like Feathers was very much used 40 years ago I seem to remember, in fact they used to call it 'dancing'. It was in the time when no self respecting 'hard man' would be seen dead with 'low' gears so you either danced on the pedals up a climb or you wrecked your knees.
@mikekelly1771
Жыл бұрын
Feather climbs like he's wrestling a shopping cart with a dodgy wheel.
@chevyyyyyyy
Жыл бұрын
There should be no confusion while easy to understand about the garment style in the last segment; They are all the lowest common denominator. Look at cars, same thing.
@glennicol1361
Жыл бұрын
Where I live... There are shops selling bikes from a Taiwanese company called Gusto. Which is what Pogacar rode before signing to UAE and their bikes cost 3000$ AU with a full Shimano 105 Di2 groupset. Pretty good!
@nakacheeseman
Жыл бұрын
Rapha collab trend is purely economical. They have to continue expanding market share into the lifestyle category and doing collabs with Palace (skate/lifestyle) and hopefully as cycling increases in popularity the Palace customer buys Rapha cycling kit. ROI on this collab stuff is much higher too - spending boatloads of cash on aero testing for technical jerseys is a huge investment when margins are already slim on apparel.
@StevenDrewitt
Жыл бұрын
Andrew Feather did a Zwift challenge for GCN recently and he rode the whole thing out of the saddle. He’s just a weapon.
@kevstephen9393
Жыл бұрын
I like MAAP as well, I have three long sleeve tops and a jacket. I also like Pedal Mafia kit.
@byrnze1710
Жыл бұрын
Interesting that one of the only Chapter 2 framesets not discounted and still at a crazy high price point is the "Gravel race".
@universe-juice
Жыл бұрын
I want both, rim and disk. Not on the same bike obviously. But i dont want it to go away. Planning a rim brake build this winter. Have disk brake bikes currently. I want both!
@ariffau
Жыл бұрын
55:32 WHAT KIT TO BUY IN 2023 For me, it’s gotta be Q36.5 on days I have performance in mind like getting structured workouts done or I just feel like riding fast with my eyeballs out. But if it’s gonna be an easy day, ride to the café, it’s gotta be Velobici 😁
@ariffau
Жыл бұрын
Cafe Du Cycliste is cool too as an alternative to Velobici
@cliveastman6448
Жыл бұрын
Q36.5 is such an underated kit. Great to see them sponsor a Team with some great talent, with aspirations or becoming a World Tour team. Their whole concept when designing kit is to ensure optimal core body temperature 👍😊
@KroTrowl
Жыл бұрын
"Can we be done with mechanical shifting?" Jesse farming the outrage straight up now 😂
@jani724
Жыл бұрын
Climbing out of the saddle just feels more natural to me personally perhaps because I'm 165cm and 130ish lbs. But the only climbs near are only 1-2 minute efforts
@lincolnlu9869
Жыл бұрын
You are a very stout fella, huh?
@tristanm8250
Жыл бұрын
Climbing out of the saddle feels more natural to me too, perhaps because I'm 190+cm and 180ish lbs--it's very easy for me to rock the bike back and forth and get a lot of leverage dancing on the pedals.
@jani724
Жыл бұрын
@@lincolnlu9869 lol I meant 165cm 😂
@justsomedude7556
Жыл бұрын
I was looking at a Chapter 2 frame in Oct 2022 and was told it would be 3 or 4 months to get the frame in my size and not having a local dealer, I had to deal with a dealer 4 states away. I was on my way home to put my deposit down, but I stopped my my local shop to chat with the owner when he pointed out a new Trek Domane Gen 4 SLR7 AXS that they were selling for 35% off to match a sale the Trek owned store was having, so I ended up getting that instead and after I sold my Gen 3 Domane SLR 7 a couple of weeks later. I ended up paying less for the whole bike for less than what I would have paid for the frame only. I never expect to happen again, but I was really looking forward to the Chapter 2 frame. So makes you wonder if it is cash flow or excess stock. I liked the looks of some of the paint schemes.
@neilmckenna236
Жыл бұрын
Feather is the national hill climb champ. Strange style for sure but an absolute machine. Smashed Ed Laverick in every event last year ....
@BreakawayB
Жыл бұрын
😂 Pedotec…LOL that name is ROUGH!👦🏻
@savagepro9060
Жыл бұрын
just like PDF in file format🤣
@dasf89
Жыл бұрын
About Eurobike: In Germany at least, the majority of bikes sold are electric at this point. There's so much potential for development in that sector (just think E-MTB and cargo bikes) and the potential for growth is there. In terms of roadbikes, we've been in an area of incremental changes for a long time. So overall it's not surprising that the industry is pivoting hard.
@Groadalito
Жыл бұрын
Lauf dropped their full gravel bike prices by $1,000 USD. They were already a great value for the cost and now it's even more of a deal.
@bradleybabel4814
Жыл бұрын
Good bikes from what I’ve seen too. Best suspension gravel form IMO.
@alannkevin
Жыл бұрын
i was waiting for you guys to talk about this 😊
@oOoACFREEMANoOo
Жыл бұрын
Depends on where you live and when you ride. I don't ride in rain and mostly go up then down mountains. I wish I had less weight (disk)
@truktronton88
11 ай бұрын
an acquaintance of mine had his Polygon Helios A9X bike ran over by a truck earlier this year. he had used it for a month or so so he was bummed, and he contacted Polygon asking if he can get a replacement frame or something. Polygon said that the most they can do is they can help order for him a frameset to the manufacturer of the frame, Giant (Polygon doesn't sell frameset only) and he can just pay Polygon the price they paid for the frame to Giant. you know how much he ended up paying? 400 AUD. that's the frame price for a 8000ish AUD bike with discbrake Di2. so if Chapter 2 dropped their retail price by 1000 dollars, they would still make a profit. a lot of profit
@jamescoulter8413
Жыл бұрын
Maap is definitely the coolest brand for me. Started wearing it last year when they opened a UK internet store. Best kit I’ve had.
@DamienClarke2438
Жыл бұрын
Aero cable hiding road bikes are designed for electronic gear systems and mechanical is a workaround and much more effort to install. Mechanical 12 speed worked on MTB but not road bikes so electronic gears have taken over.
@danwillygreen
8 ай бұрын
Palace are HUGE chief. It’s you. Patta, also huge. Biggest Nike Airmax drop in yeeeeears was a Patta collab.
@Lukas-bl9wy
Жыл бұрын
The next discussion will be about groupsets and chainrings
@MrMattie725
Жыл бұрын
56:03 "Ye" "Ye" "Ye" "Ye" "Ye". Great discussion boys! :D
@weedseed2
Жыл бұрын
Rapha, interesting talking point! I've been wondering myself. They seem to have heavy stock issue and doing sales more often then usually. One main issue they have: Because their strategies was to not sell through shops anymore, but their own concept stores and online, they've lost a huge portion of the base. Pas normal took over heavily there. Rapha seem to have realised this and are now going back into stores. And the Palace or patta colabs are there to attract a new, younger generation. Both brands are well known amongst the sneaker enthusiasts...
@markhall6026
Жыл бұрын
Beautiful TIME in the background ❤
@ChrisMillerCycling
Жыл бұрын
My first road bike
@b-manz
Жыл бұрын
10:00 Chapter 2 could not realistically rename the bike and drop the price without mould changes because someone would find it out it's the same frame. Well done to them for not pretending the frames are different with the price change. Canyon do specials & adjust pricing a lot so not that unusual for direct to consumer.
@mihpop9733
Жыл бұрын
The Chapter 2 thing can easily be explained with low product numbers, a higher price was asked in order to have money to invest into moulds, tooling etc. to produce more bikes. It may be the case that they now passed that threshold and can offer cheaper products while still having a profit just not as much for expansion. Some math 6,000 bikes sold x 1,000 AUD additional profit dedicated for growth = 6,000,000 AUD that can be spent on a factory, tooling, equipment, labor that otherwise they would be renting out on limited batch runs. And yes, 6mil is realistic.
@dopamethyldopa
Жыл бұрын
Tyler Williams did it after suffering a broken collarbone earlier this year. Strong.
@OTBTBDA
Жыл бұрын
I think it was big mistake to dump rim brake enabled bikes. I suspect the budget sector who pay the bills for bike brands are more likely to buy a rim brake bike for various reasons. The sport of cycling is out pricing itself and making bike riding far too complicated. Its the little cost that add up to simply ride a modern DB bike. I say long live mechanical rim brake bikes w/inner tube wheels, for their simplicity and lower operating cost. Manufacture need to find a way to cater to both RB and DB riders.
@ernestoechevers4741
Жыл бұрын
Avg speed is the most important metric of a long ride keep it on "safely"
@SuperTaylor68
Жыл бұрын
David Millar might having something to say about a rebrand to chapter3 😂
@braydencp5334
Жыл бұрын
I honestly reckon he wanted his brand to be called Chpt2 but then saw it was already taken lol
@TheCountrySteve
Жыл бұрын
@@braydencp5334 Chapter 1 was the doping years, Chapter 2 the clean years, Chapter 3 the post-racing career. That's the reason for the name
@MrGaryPeace
Жыл бұрын
Im with Jesse - Rapha is moving away from me. Not interested in follwoing them into a fashion or lifestyle brand. in fact, not sure why cycling is so image obsessed, i don't see it so obvious in other sports - i mean i don't see fashion wetsuits surfing, or cordinated running outfits. I know I'm in the minority, but it just seems to reinforce cyclings elitest image. And as for the idea of judging other riders by their outfits seems to cause skisms when cycling really needs to be pulling together and pushing back against the haters. Did I just rant? Sorry.
@miatomi
Жыл бұрын
All of those sports are fashion obsessed too.
@markedington7171
Жыл бұрын
They have always been fashion oriented since they launched.. their founder worked in fashion, they have sold denim and off bike gear for many years…
@patrickcrump897
Жыл бұрын
Since I have a very short upper body I feel way more comfortable standing whilst climbing.
@tristanm8250
Жыл бұрын
Phyisologically speaking, elite riders like Feather are already extreme outliers, so wouldn't it make sense for their technique and form to be similarly unconventional?
@ChrisMillerCycling
Жыл бұрын
Good point
@moopt7339
Жыл бұрын
"Can we be done with mechanical shifting?"... So lightly ditching 100+ years of cycling history. A lot of us still running and loving it, plus not everyone lives in high income society. Bicycle is the greatest mechanical self powered vehicle invention Please respect it and let it be...
@carlmlr
Жыл бұрын
Speaking of Legion at nationals, the whole thing about the Williams brothers now racing the Belize nationals after they changed nationalities seems like a bit of a joke to be honest. Seems so off with those two and one rider from the Miami team going against a handful of amateurs on (seemingly) much cheaper equipment
@charliedillon1400
Жыл бұрын
Only the racers themselves care about American racing. As an American myself, I don't waste time watching my countrymen racing, or playing soccer, until they are in the big leagues, in Europe.
@fastestmilkman3840
Жыл бұрын
Just came across this, my friend in the business (in China) said the brands are aggressively going after the Western brands with their aim to get into the pro peloton. They made bikes for Western brands anyway so there is money to be made, once they sorted out the distribution and marketing model, I think the mainstream brands will struggle. RRP are insane at the moment - in the UK a Supersix Evo 105 has an RRP of £4250, looks like everyone is trying to milk it and blame it on inflation.
@ndennan67
Жыл бұрын
Never heard of Palace before that kit before last years tdf
@stianpollestad754
Жыл бұрын
I'm all in on Santini kit.
@DanTuber
Жыл бұрын
I had a brand new santini jersey. Took me over a year to sell it for less than half the RRP. Nobody in melbourne is interested and i hardly see anyone in the brand.
@mr_musette
Жыл бұрын
As a British rider looking to build a tight budget lightweight hill climb bike, the rim vs disc debate is still going on in my own mind. Currently own two disc road bikes, but considering a rim brake build.
@livibam
Жыл бұрын
Rapha are clearly influenced by MAAPs direction who have a direct link to streetware / fashion. Palace have a link to MAAP through some of their artists, and this goes way back to Slam City Skates in London during the early 2000s. It’s all streetwear which are lifestyle brands. Skateboarding has a huge influence in modern cycling.
@benthilwind6908
Жыл бұрын
love the show. not been funny but my 2015 boardman frame fully built is only 6kg? forwards backwards. jus costs more money now. aren't materials and tech supposed to cheaper 😂
@msmyankees
Жыл бұрын
I hate on legion as a team but actually like most of the individuals that ride for them and would be happy to see them win. I just wish they were on different teams.
@donwinston
Жыл бұрын
I periodically ride out of the saddle for one reason, to give my butt a rest. This especially useful riding indoors.
@PedroPrego
Жыл бұрын
How low weight can you go now with current 12spd disc groupsets? Manufacturers are releasing sub 750gr frames. Around 1300gr or less wheelsets. How much Lowe can they go? It's the groupsets that weighting down a bike nowadays.
@Richz2
Жыл бұрын
Andrew Feather multiple British National Cycling Championships. Hillclimb season in the Uk is very competitive and for lasts 2/3 months at the end of Summer beginning of the Autumn. Hillclimbs are generally a few hundred meters to a couple of km’s in general.
@marnug
Жыл бұрын
Le col is the new Rapha and long live rim brakes
@charliedillon1400
Жыл бұрын
Yeah I looked at their website when Lanterne Rouge was an advertiser and was stunned at the prices. Gucci.
@pavlos..
Жыл бұрын
Froome -> What happened? The disconnection with Dr Richard Freeman. Now he is back to Barloworld days
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