Any Mantis Kungfu practitioners, please send us any footage of your training, sparring, and matches!
@larrycope8034
Ай бұрын
I am a seven star praying mantis practitioner. And I really dont see many mantis strikes while watching this. We use a lot of grabs ( plucks) etc.back hand strikes and eye pokes traditionaly hard to do with those gloves. Looks mostly like a lot of boxing stuff to me. Good job to both fighters though
@mengmao5033
Ай бұрын
Randy Brown teaches Mantis grappling and BJJ. Here's him sparring a student (using progressing rulesets) after things were shut down kzitem.info/news/bejne/w6CcnWyMq2V7omU
@milofitness7726
Ай бұрын
If you didnt know that move that xu does to make fun the mantis style and that is mostly done in a very low stance is fake and was made up for a movie and people unfortunately started applying that into mantis styles after the fact
@KeytoKungFu
Ай бұрын
Hey man here an example for a mantis technique. kzitem.info/news/bejne/uG-ctISFonmSZqQsi=cZJ5VbGDJ1L0xpNV
@mna7308
Ай бұрын
only boxing no mantis stuff bruh
@brucebooker2227
Ай бұрын
Southern Mantis is totally different, created by different people at a different time. No "hook hand", rather S. Mantis is more of an infighting style.
@FightCommentary
Ай бұрын
Very cool!
@brianwatson4119
Ай бұрын
Agreed. They're completely unrelated arts. Northern is Shaolin, Southern is hakka. Both are cool.
@immortalwarrior2406
Ай бұрын
Mantis use the hand to hook and lock not strike with one finger 😂😂😂😂. Sad that movie mantis gave Fales sense of use.
@gokuworld
Ай бұрын
Exactly
@moonrunrs
Ай бұрын
Mantis guy did well but I saw no Praying mantis technique really.
@BlackMaskq
Ай бұрын
Thanku. Someone with eyes. Better Audience here.
@danbaumann8273
19 күн бұрын
They never do. Ever. No matter the art It always reverts to what i call bad boxing/kickboxing. Very few exceptions. Harder Karates, Thai Boxing, perhaps a handful more. The techniques that mark their style are never seen.
@sattoriemei3210
Ай бұрын
There's also a big difference between northern and southern mantis styles.
@glenndolot4506
Ай бұрын
@@sattoriemei3210 is there also a difference in wild mantis and domestic mantis style of martial arts fighting?
@sattoriemei3210
Ай бұрын
@@glenndolot4506 Yes. The wild ones are unpredictable, but the domestic ones are truly underestimated.
@lordMartiya
Ай бұрын
The impression I've always got of most Chinese styles is that, possibly because of the bans from Imperial authorities, possibly for reasons I don't know, at some point there was a loss of sparring and eventually of what the movements are intended for, and when they started practicing them again far too many guessed wrong, and even rejected sparring and conditioning (the latter of which has recently become mind-boggling due the discovery that not only China is one of the best if not THE best when it comes to the sport of weightlifting, but of the long story of physical conditioning recorded to at least the Qin Dynasty and that Confucius himself found useful to lift). Thus far too many "Kung Fu Masters" go down with ease when faced with styles that have sparring and conditioning, and the ones that take care of insuring their physical abilities seem miracles.
@SuperKendoman
Ай бұрын
I like to think that old school kung fu is like an operating system and needs to be updated gradually or checked for glitches. Maybe they are stuck using windows 95 when the rest of the world has upgraded to windows xp. Like the foundation is there but the rest of the stuff needs amendments
@nsparacino
Ай бұрын
Yeah, the Chinese weightlifting success is totally due to ancient cultural strength training, and has nothing to do with the systematic state sponsored doping
@lordMartiya
Ай бұрын
@@nsparacino I was talking of a forgotten tradition. Also, any proof of that doping? As in stuff that is actually banned - everyone gives their athletes support, the difference is the stuff that is allowed by the rules and the one that isn't.
@brianwatson4119
Ай бұрын
@nsparacino it's also due to the simple fact that when you're an athlete in China, that's all you do. It IS your job. And the pressure is immense, from peers and from the government.
@BoxerKyokushin
Ай бұрын
Xu xiaodong must learn now that not every one who claim to be Traditional martial artist does not train in boxing. 😁
@gatorcroc7212
Ай бұрын
People forget Boxing is a traditional martial art too. As all cultures have a boxing.
@BoxerKyokushin
Ай бұрын
@@gatorcroc7212 People forget when Boxing is mention, they are pertaining to western boxing.
@clarkey661
Ай бұрын
The Tong long mantis kung fu i practiced years ago was more fixated on hammer fists and an actually decent pae sow (a pretty hefty slap) XD.
@alexfpower
Ай бұрын
He said he did do kung fu, but not mantis.
@jonathanbartlett1098
Ай бұрын
The Mantis guy did pretty good. He missed a few opportunities for some great counters and follow-up strikes, and he needs to hit harder when he seizes an opening, but he did not get completely dominated in that match. He can walk away from that loss with his head held high
@martinchan168
Ай бұрын
Prey mantis fighting a Boxer in Boxing rule? Of course he won't win. That's one thing I don't understand, the Kung Fu partitioners agree to fight in Boxing rule. Kung Fu, has strike, kick, grabbing and take down. The closest you should spar is MMA rule. But pls make sure you are ready before the Sparring. 😎
@BMO_Creative
Ай бұрын
the Mantis style guy wasn't hitting as hard and it seemed like on purpose. Dude is actually a good boxer!
@agricolaurbanus6209
Ай бұрын
I would like to see a White Crane guy in a similar setup.
@chingtuckmeng1122
Ай бұрын
withoput gloves anytime
@thedroid6462
Ай бұрын
@@chingtuckmeng1122do you pressure spar White Crane against non White Crane?
@tapewormdigital
Ай бұрын
Southern Mantis and White Crane seem similar, and both seem good for developing body/breathing mechanics, rather than for the technique itself.
@Chameleon1981
Ай бұрын
Yeah the fact he is a similar age group is one of the factors here why it went the way that it did as well as his physique
@BootsofBlindingSpeed
Ай бұрын
From what I understand there is quite a difference between Southern & Northern.
@chuai_man
Ай бұрын
It definitely shows he hasn't seen real Tanglangquan(Northern) before. Based on his views, I can tell he has only seen Modern Wushu's interpretation of Mantis styles and the movie Thundering Mantis haha. But you can't blame him. 95% of Tanglangquan in the Chinese diaspora is WAY too theory based. Good theory, but still just theory. When looking at Tanglangquan theory, you see great body mechanics that Shuaijiao best displays. Shuaijiao techniques like Jī, Cuōwō, Pá, and Fei Dai Zi really display what Tanglangquan's famous foot/leg hook trapping is supposed to be in real fighting. The mantis hook fist that he is mocking is NEVER supposed to be an eye poke or pressure point poking. The mantis "fist" is really supposed to be the concept of attaching, sticking, hanging, etc. In Shuaijiao, this would be maintaining a strong collar tie on the neck, or the dá ná grip on a clothing's collar. The dragging and pulling aspect of Tanglangquan can be displaying by Shuaijiao's Zhōu, Tan Ning Zi, and Zhu. One of the best things about Traditional Chinese systems is its vast knowledge and theory on body mechanics, but the main stop is that people only train that and do not apply it. But the theory is great because we see it in Shuaijiao and Sanda. Its 100% how you train. Now, what is also worth saying is that the majority of Traditional Chinese martial arts is often spoken about without the proper context. TMCA was mostly about self-protection or body/cargo-guarding with weapons, usually not unarmed 1v1 duels. Fighting for your life is not the same as dueling. Many techniques utilized are not permitted in a MMA setting. Eye-gouging, fish hooking, smashing/tearing the ears, squeezing the throat, smashing the groin, etc. Now please understand, I am NOT saying these "dirty" techniques alone will win over skilled striking, wrestling, and gripping, because it won't at all. These "dirty" techniques can ONLY be executed in positions of dominance, and one will only be in these good positions most due to superior striking, wrestling, and/or grappling. I am mentioning "dirty" techniques because they clearly show the attitude and mindset/mentality that these Chinese systems are trying to convey. That is why it is a bit silly to compare MMA, modern Muay Thai, Boxing, Modern BJJ, to Chinese systems. Taking away two major aspects of Chinese martials arts (weapons and "dirty") then putting it in a different context is not really fair. As great as combat sports is for self defense, real street fights do not start with the ring of the bell and a referee saying, "Gentlemen, are you ready? Let's get it on!" The goals are different. The goal of most Chinese systems is self-preservation with all the means you can muster. That means with weapons, with "dirty" techniques, with trickery, and with shiest. Now, before you start attempting to argue with me, I'll be the first to clearly say that 1) we Chinese martial artists (not the art itself) are some of the weakest fighters ever in the 21 century when it comes to striking, wrestling, and grappling and 2) We use our "dirty" techniques as an easy button "fix all things" bullshit excuse to beat combat sports styles. The main and fatal problem is that we traditional Chinese martial arts fighters NEVER actually drill any of our techniques with any resistance or non-compliance! We just have theory. Great theory, but theory multiplied with absolutely nothing else is 0. This is exactly why we TCMA fighters are so weak and have become a joke. Our bad reputation is mainly due to misinformation, misunderstanding, and our own incompetence to test our theory. I absolutely love Chinese martial arts. I owe it my life. I will support/promote it with all my heart AND I will harshly criticize it, for the sake of helping to restore its reputation, because it deserves nothing but dignity and respect. Thank you for reading this long ass dissertation haha. Please excuse any misspelling on any Mandarin words I have used. I am no expert on Shuaijiao, but I do train in the Beijing style.
@FightCommentary
Ай бұрын
Awesome details man!
@chuai_man
Ай бұрын
@@FightCommentary Thanks! Sorry for the long essay I edited in haha.
@FightCommentary
Ай бұрын
BTW, your Instagram link on your KZitem profile doesn't work. Check the handle that you put!
@chuai_man
Ай бұрын
@@FightCommentary just fixed it. Thanks again. I forgot to change it here haha
@ThailandTerry2024
Ай бұрын
fun fight to watch and and good commentary ...
@mancamerashakuhachiscooter8941
Ай бұрын
I have practiced Mantis , Seven Star and Tai Chi Mantis for over 20 years, we almost never use a poke. The shape of the mantis fist comes from grabbing with the last three fingers. There are a lot of grabs, elbows, locks, back fist, wrist strikes Knees, trips. Finger pokes are rare. That is a lot of movie stuff.
@jeff6161
Ай бұрын
I witnessed a guy use his index finger to smash a hole into a fresh coconut.
@leolejo4891
Ай бұрын
Wise and humble martial artist know there is always sky above the sky and nothing in this world is last forever and all thing not perfect because all things have weakness.
@BisonBriggs-nj6xf
Ай бұрын
I do mantis,kalari,muay boran and bjj and ill say mantis is good for conditioning and has alot of good strength exercises,. The mantis guy should be using hammer fists and should have never requested gloves,he iss tough tho.
@SuperKamiGuruu
Ай бұрын
Ive a lightweight sparring heavyweight boxing video you uploaded you can break down
@wellygo6190
Ай бұрын
waiting for xu xiaodong vs qiu baolong 😅
@pascalxus
Ай бұрын
excellent coverage! i love all the cross cultural insights!
@_ChrisPBacon_
Ай бұрын
Oi i was thinkin maybe u can do some vids with the fellas from kungfugenius podcast(i saw u did a interview with alex like 2 years ago) where u guys react to wing chun people fighting or sparring people i think itd be cool maybe u could be on their podcast
@MrRourk
Ай бұрын
Southern Mantis is famous for the Pheonix Eye Fist to the opponents throat or eye.
@FightCommentary
Ай бұрын
Do you know the Chinese characters of that move? I’ll search it up!
@ChironFU
Ай бұрын
@@FightCommentary I believe it is 凤眼拳, it is supposed to be effective in hitting acupuncture points to disable opponents or incapacitate them
@MrRourk
Ай бұрын
@@ChironFU yes but the primary target is the eyes and throat.
@MrRourk
Ай бұрын
@@FightCommentary there is another style Chukka - The daughter of the Chow Gar family developed as a self defense for her friends. It can be taught in a couple of months.
@ChironFU
Ай бұрын
@@MrRourk yea, pressure points
@NTR-Impact
Ай бұрын
Why he not using the mantis stance and technique?
@Hawktotalwar
Ай бұрын
Pretty sure Mantis guy won that sparring. But is basically just a boxer vs boxer. Without gloves, the student would be in trouble. Respect to this type of kung fu
@mikehunt9884
Ай бұрын
yeah a lot of that mantis hand motion they do is actually a grappling motion. But also i guess the mainland wushu ppl always want to make things good looking and totally useless in combat, so when you look at the compulsory wushu mantis forms its a lot of very low stances and poking with the finger tips like xu makes fun of. There are more legit and more combat oriented mantis style, and there are more internal mantis from the south mantis style traditionally practiced by the Hakka ethnic people in china, where its more breathing and more similar to wing chun in a way.
@agricolaurbanus6209
Ай бұрын
I agree Mantis guy did quite well, but it seemed in the clinch he ate the more severe punches. I wonder if he would have done better using his reach advantage. Being more technical, opposed to a puncher, he might have eaten less but still hit a lot. For the more slim guy with longer arms it is often more difficult to develop big power in close distance due to the leverage angles. And he could surely improve his punching power a bit imo.
@willwg1731
Ай бұрын
How can this be a fair fight!? His technique is mantis but wearing gloves! It's like a Judo guy but doing boxing! Shu Shaun Dong just play his game that's why he is winning it!
@8palmsdigital
Ай бұрын
The mantis guy should have used mma gloves. All styles of mantis use dragging hands. They essentially hook the arm and aim to jerk your arm down to bounce your head off the ground.
@philyip4432
Ай бұрын
But it's like putting a Muay Thai guy in there and telling him that he can't kick , he can't use his elbows or knees. And then saying that Muay Thai doesn't work.
@BoxerKyokushin
Ай бұрын
kyokushin has kick, elbow and knees, kyokushin came from okinawan karate.
@LunaticReason
Ай бұрын
He fights like a Northern Mantis practitioner with the clinching and forward pressure but he is orthodox stance and generally we stand in southpaw and our strikes are a bit harder. Also he isn’t showing many Northern. mantis techniques persay.
@FlatlandMando
Ай бұрын
Whatever the training, I see that the 2 are basically " boxing". Conditioning is evident in both fighters, which is probably less than muy Thai for eg. I thought that "mantis" was better grounded in his stance, even when tired, than the other guy!
@lackey571
Ай бұрын
With the type’a guy Xu Xiaodong is. He doesn’t belong in China. He fits better in the west when it comes to his antics, humor and also the fact that he does MMA
@Chameleon1981
Ай бұрын
Refugee status in the west on humanitarian grounds
@malakatan3235
Ай бұрын
He is western tool 😅
@TheGuzeinbuick
Ай бұрын
Mantis did well. He may have lost the first round but the second and third rounds were more or less ties. He definitely has sparring experience.
@Kane-ez
Ай бұрын
I did mantis and the grappling is fantastic for self defense if taught correct ,also i do eye poke if i must fight .
@seraphinaaizen6278
Ай бұрын
Chinese martial arts have become so derivative at this point, and many of these styles have not been used in combat for generations (if indeed they ever were). And most of the people teaching them have no idea what the original intent for some of these techniques where.
@starfishsicko
Ай бұрын
Is this Northern or Southern Mantis? I practice Southern Chinese Kung Fu and I know that there is usually an emphasis on grabbing and hard strikes (like with elbows) in the Southern style. I ask because i kept noticing a tendancy to clinch, but i dont know enough about northern mantis to knwo if they practice a similar way
@danieljames4050
Ай бұрын
As we know, the stricter people stay to a style, the quicker they tend to get knocked out so it’s kinda good to see legit fighting principles (boxing, kick boxing and wrestling) with a touch of Kung Fu. The purists don’t like it cos they will pick out all the techniques which are “wrong” and how it’s a different type of inferior “mantis” depending on their bible, but most fight fans know that’s all BS. Your system either works in fighting, or it doesn’t. This guy has clearly cross trained in boxing and it shows based on how even the fight was.
@phoenixmountain
Ай бұрын
Anyone familiar with old school 7-Star or Tai Chi Praying Mantis would tell you the Mantis fist was not meant for poking. It's meant for grappling, clinching, and setting up for Chin Na. It's also for striking with the back of the wrist/hand. There's too much garbage movie Mantis imo. There needs to be standardization in gung fu.
@surfninjafishing8297
Ай бұрын
Mantis guy did super good the other guyvseems like he wanted just to swing and knock out mantis guy to impress his teacher
@drflat9223
Ай бұрын
Having trained in mma. I feel like I should give myself a style and go there to compete. Maybe gorilla style. Ground and pound.
@thedroid6462
Ай бұрын
Non mantis guy isn’t looking at his target when in the pocket.
@warmfrost1
Ай бұрын
Not bad keep practicing work on sometimes using a mantis style in ur boxing. You can also switch to normal boxing occasionally when he reads you. Practice other animal styles as well.
@farkinarkin5099
Ай бұрын
Should there not be a lot more pendulum leg work in Mantis style? I see it as kind of like Russian style boxing with some grappling/trapping thrown in. Mantis guy did OK.
@DreanPetruza
Ай бұрын
What the guy did is pretty much like a lousy amateur boxer from your nearest gym, if we want to call that Mantis Kung fu then ok I guess.
@davidkwong3369
Ай бұрын
I’m sorry I didn’t see any mantis in any of that. That was amateur boxing.
@kbcn7392
Ай бұрын
Xandong student should be on boxing gloves, while mantis guy should not have a boxing glove otherwise it will not be mantis kungfu
@warmfrost1
Ай бұрын
Well done
@Brykk
Ай бұрын
How much of mantis style is kicks? Does mantis have much training in kicks?
@RagingUtai
29 күн бұрын
How can u use mantis, whether souther style or northern, when wearing gloves lol. Palm and hand techniques are gone. We need to see a no holds barred match with proper mantis masters.
@brianwatson4119
Ай бұрын
Mantisand eagleareboth heavy grappling.
@PazCristo
Ай бұрын
He is Xu 'Someone'
@josemartins7299
Ай бұрын
But where is Mantis Kung Fu? None, it's Iáll boxing!
@gokuworld
Ай бұрын
Using BJj + Muay thai but mixing with Mantis😮
@rocferdable
Ай бұрын
Roy Nelson is a Mantis guy. Many of his KOs utilized Mantis techniques.
@LRkun
26 күн бұрын
Are the rules only boxing x striking? Mantis guy is pretty fit. The other needs more cardio. Hehe Skill wise, boxing will prevail in boxing rules.
@Thinkforyourselvz
Ай бұрын
I think the Bullshido arts are paying average boxers to say they are mantis / kung fu practitioners as I’m not seeing anything but boxing.
@Maksym16
Ай бұрын
uggh.....when you put on big gloves the fight will lean towards boxing because the wing chuns 4 arms are only 8.5 inches apart side ways and 13 inches downwards on a 4 armed dummy. wich is what i got. dude let me fight xu xiaodong, i already mastered kung fu.
@user-nu8vw1ow4n
Ай бұрын
Kungfu these day dont even think to train power strike conditon from theire own sty. If you dont have power condition, how would you apply in the real fight. even Muaythai & Boxing themself need power condition for real fight.
@rogermanley9017
Ай бұрын
im guessing that he is probably a san da guy. that would explain why he would claim to be a kung fu guy. also there are tons of san da clubs in China; not as many pure western boxing gyms.
@sensorycircuits1338
Ай бұрын
Can you please take 3-6 months and create your own system of bullshido? Would love to see what you come up with.
@FightCommentary
Ай бұрын
That would be hilarious! Great idea!
@sensorycircuits1338
Ай бұрын
@@FightCommentary Would be even better if your compliant partner was clearly fit and capable but you tossed him around like a rag doll.
@FightCommentary
Ай бұрын
And we'll of course get some cute ladies in it too. ;)
@BoxerKyokushin
Ай бұрын
Mantis guy train in boxing too.
@wergrethe
Ай бұрын
why always wearing big gloves, there are boxing gloves with finger holes.
@Slyfox1775
Ай бұрын
That’s not mantis foot work
@sugar_beard
Ай бұрын
That is clearly two boxers, how do you claim to be from other martial art when you uses boxing and only boxing?
@CharlesBetancourt-iq9oe
Ай бұрын
You featured a mantis kungfu guy winnong a kickbox match by tko. This guy deffnitly ain't nothing close to him.
@LunaticReason
Ай бұрын
Do you mean the street beefs fight? Yeah he’s an actual mantis practitioner from a lineage
@CharlesBetancourt-iq9oe
Ай бұрын
@@LunaticReasonThat's another one. But there was a kickbox match in a cage. II' ll try and find it. And off course there is the famous kickboxer and mantis practitioner Manson Gibson. Who would.make short work of both these guys.
@The-Man-On-The-Mountain
Ай бұрын
What's mantis about that? Sorry, if it doesn't look like in the movies, it's just bullshido. All I've seen here is a boxing match. And by the way, mantis is really cool in movies, but come on! It seems like a great way to break all your fingers. "Oh but you can poke the eyes and all that" So what, you can't poke the eyes while doing muay thai, karate, JJ, judo, regular boxing, or whatever in a street fight? lol come on!
@emilianosintarias7337
Ай бұрын
wtf did i just read
@angelloakira
Ай бұрын
I do mantis kung fu
@BlackMaskq
Ай бұрын
You cannot fking 🤌Mantis with 🥊Boxing Gloves! Its like proving jujitsu wrong by making him wear 🥊Boxing Gloves.
@1stoptech
Ай бұрын
Oh look boxing that identifies as MANTIS
@Boomstck
Ай бұрын
The mantis guy did a lot better than I thought he would, but he took a lot of shots and didn't attack the other guy effectively. Even if southern style is better, it's still pretty ineffective compared to other combat styles like boxing, kick boxing, muay thai etc. Not trying to hate on any of the kung fu styles, just being realistic.
@BootsofBlindingSpeed
Ай бұрын
Objectively Tong Long hammer-fist > every other hammer-fist.
@DarKnight0064
Ай бұрын
Mantis guy did really well to fight without using Mantis style ... Bit of a pointless fight as cant judge Mantis it was just boxing ! Good interesting vid though 👌
@Chameleon1981
Ай бұрын
Yeah it seemed pointless in some ways
@malikialgeriankabyleswag4200
Ай бұрын
Mantis guy did well
@tetraedro765
27 күн бұрын
Sad show
@warmfrost1
Ай бұрын
Nice mantis boxing
@Monke00123
Ай бұрын
Ofc
@TOrganic
Ай бұрын
Was Denies banned from fighting in China?
@FightCommentary
Ай бұрын
Who?
@TOrganic
Ай бұрын
I meant, Xu Xiaodong.
@iluvj00
Ай бұрын
Copium
@Amtcboy
Ай бұрын
Both were boxers.
@Moodymongul
Ай бұрын
1:35 - so, it looks like these 'traditional' (yeah right) martial arts ..have finally figured out how to hold their own with a boxer. Learn to box! Now, all they need do is learn boxing footwork and proper boxing. Then, they'll be in with a good chance!
@chingtuckmeng1122
Ай бұрын
All MMA garbage fight gung fu gloves on, handicap for gung fu guys
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