This comment will be fleshed out in the DLC to this video.
@cornthdl
Жыл бұрын
Shhhhhhh
@frostknight7687
Жыл бұрын
My reaction to the first enemy in the dlc.
@HighOverlordSnarffieBeagle
Жыл бұрын
when you have nothing to say just say "Hashbrowns" it's the most wise thing you can say
@thegreatcosmicaxolotl
Жыл бұрын
By the end you propose Ranni took the eye from Maliketh, and that the GEQ was already defeated, there's a big problem with that. How can the GEQ have killed and skinned demigods with her apostles before the night of the black knives? Wich is clearly stated to be the first time demigods have ever died, this fact implies that the whole godskin movement must have happened after the night.
@whatsnewbois9814
Жыл бұрын
Rykards involvment is also worth noteing, not only is a Godskin Noble inside the tempel of Eiglay, but also the item that Ranni gave him "on the night of the dire plot" as a reward. The Blasphemousclaw is a slap of rock imbued with the power of the rune of death meant to deflect the power of the black blade. But what did Rykard help with? What makes most sense to me would be the secret to the ritual that would help Ranni to die in body alone. Rykard was discovery ancient Hexes from Mt. Gelmir and developing them into practical use. Among them might be a "fearsome rite" that Ranni cloud use without the black knifes knowing about it.
@Kosmos_er
Жыл бұрын
That's a really interesting idea
@VinsmokeCoco
Жыл бұрын
The reason why Rykard was given the Blasphemous Claw was because if the plot failed Rykard would straight up duel Maliketh for the Rune of Death
@steamedhamlet
8 ай бұрын
Oh my word you're so right! The Rune of death is an eye! That's why Enya uses the phrase "PLUCKED" in reference to it being removed from the elden ring...
@jackhighbrook
Жыл бұрын
I think Melinas response about Boc could be a hint as to not give him the rebith option but to tell him that he is beatiful. This way the player can save his life.
@aceroy9195
Жыл бұрын
It can serve both purposes
@johncra8982
Жыл бұрын
The thing I really like about your videos is that they don't just retread stuff that's already obvious and explicitly stated in the game, or toss out cutesy "what if" ideas for the sake of novelty, but rather they manage to tie together a lot of disparate and confusing elements in the game in ways that make the whole game make more sense by drawing connections that other people haven't yet noticed. Hope you make more of them soon 👍
@Kosmos_er
Жыл бұрын
You making me blush. Thank you
@chad5577
Жыл бұрын
Yeah I like that unique angle and why I follow Kosmos and Crunchy
@johncra8982
Жыл бұрын
@@chad5577 yup they're the two that I watch as well lol
@TheExai
Жыл бұрын
I want to add something that indirectly supports your theory. The concept of shinigami eyes / eyes of death / reaper eyes is quite popular in japanese culture in general in anime/manga. It had different developments in different titles, like in Death Note, Soul Eater, Shingetsutan Tsukihime, Kara no Kyoukai. It generally implied, that those related to death use eyes as a source of specific information to kill anyone. Specifically in the latter two titles the eyes of death allowed the user to see how to kill any target even using the simplest weapon like knife. So the Rune of Death is highly likely not about being the weapon or enchanting the weapon, but about enchanting the sight of the viewer on where to strike. And by the way death having blue eyes / blue eyes of death is also quite a wide cultural concept that can be found in different sources.
@TheExai
Жыл бұрын
I would also like to add, that it's nowhere said, that black flame is or is somehow related to destined death. It's said that 1) black flame is created from the sword of the gloom-eyed queen, which in itself is not destined death and 2) after Maliketh sealed the rune of death, the source of the their (the apostles) power was sealed away, not the source of the black-flames power so the apostles used black flame and their weapons to kill gods, but that was not the property of the black flame, but the property of the apostles themselves, which might be the "eyesight", since apostles still carry the symbolic "eye" on their uniform.
@steamedhamlet
8 ай бұрын
You are so on target. The evil eye is definitely a thing. "The men who state at goats" are not fictional. There was (and Im sure still is) a tribe in Arabia that were capable of killing with their stare. This evil eye concept is also present woth Shabriri. Whose name reveals so much about another culture's "evil eye" rendition. And thanks to your knowledge and insight we know about the Japanese version. So I guess Melina keeps that eye closed because it would kill the Tarnished... altho we'd just respawn! As well the praying little girl in Placidusax arena has her eyes closed. And it's my belief that we get the ashes of those very wolves from Ranni along with the spirit calling bell. The way Enya says the rune of death was "plucked" from the elden ring... like "pluck" one's eyes out... If u inherit the flame of frenzy yoy have to get rid of it woth the unalloyed needle in the "eye" of the storm by stabbing your eye with it. Also runes and grace are held in one's eyes... there's so much to unpack here i dont even know how to bring it all together. Need more eyes on the inside
@killeryhiltons8499
3 ай бұрын
Keeping one eye close in occult symbolism is to keep one’s secret or the eye of Odin that’s always close ..
@dantoki6371
Жыл бұрын
Maliketh's Black Blade's description is pretty clear about that the Rune of Death was inside it, then he sealed it into his flesh and the blade's crossguard itself is missing a chunk, wich is probably an indicator for the stolen fragment of the rune. The Beast Eye is most likely Gurranq's own eye IMO, besides it's name is a fairly straight forward, the purple-ish color is also very similar to Blaidd's eyecolor who is the same kind of being as Gurranq. It resonates with deathroot wich contains the fragments of the Rune of Death, wich is as of now housed in Gurranq's body, so it would make sense for it to detect them. Also, his character model doesn't have eyes under the hood or armor. Gurranq has only two servants, as far as we know, the Tarnished and D. So for an eye for the both of us would make sense, since D is also "weeding" deathroot.
@Kosmos_er
Жыл бұрын
Valid arguments actually, but the reason I prefer the eye being the fragment is that it also ties nicely with ranni and Melina's situation.
@animeproblem1070
Жыл бұрын
@@Kosmos_er a thing that most people don't bring up that I keep thinking about is ranni and Melina referrincing huignn and muignn the ravens of thought and memory and how ranni represents thought while Melina is memory
@steamedhamlet
8 ай бұрын
@animeproblem Niiiice! That ties in nicely witht he twin bird motif as well! In the lands between eyes are truly the windows to the soul. They become yellow islf your soul is tainted with frenzy, red if you're in to that blood stuff, and grace itself gives the eyes a golden hue (as does dragon communion but that's different). Seems to me that depending whoch outer god you're influenced by, your eyes show it. So Melina is at once influenced by the god of death and guided by grace... a union of gold and blue (Caria and Erdtree).
@arcanefire7511
Жыл бұрын
I live for unique theories such as these. Awesome insight! I find it weird that Maliketh just gives the other gloam eye to some random Tarnished who strolls in, if it really is a super integral part of Destined Death.
@Kosmos_er
Жыл бұрын
The one maliket gives you is mostly devoid of power
@arcanefire7511
Жыл бұрын
@@Kosmos_er Yeah, except for just sensing deathroot. So did only one eye ever have power, or was that of the beasts eye transferred to the rest of destined death?
@lususnaturae881
Жыл бұрын
@@arcanefire7511 It's likely the clawmark seal on the eye is... Well, sealing the power of the gloam eye. Likely done after the first eye was stolen to prevent such theft ever again.
@Managarm
Жыл бұрын
I'm not sure about your take on Melina, but the fragment of death being the eye makes an incredible amount of sense!
@Mawal28
Жыл бұрын
This is great. I've never seen anyone considering the gloam eye as the actual stolen part of the rune of death but this makes a lot of sense. Also I think Melina and Ranni are the same being or were the same being before the Night of The Black Knives. But I still dont understand why Marika wanted Ranni to kill Godwyn. Godwyn's death seems like the most fundamental fact in the history of the game and it's still the most cryptic one. Anyway thank you for your unhinged speculation once more and please keep up with the theories, the community needs this
@the1384
Жыл бұрын
Did Marika and Ranni really conspired together on the Same thing🤔
@Neko9lives
Жыл бұрын
I have a theory that Godwyn was a willing player, that he allowed himself to be killed in this way so that marika’s plan could succeed because the guy had the power to defeat the ancient dragons no way some assassins could best him unless he was willing
@GreatCanadianGuy
Жыл бұрын
Alright, so I've avoided this channel's videos in the past because they all came across to me like obvious "hot takes" about Elden Ring lore that were made for clicks and would only irritate me. I was super wrong this time. Your channel has some fantastic heterodox lore interpretations, is quite forward about them being kind of 'out there', and you support your assertions very well. In fact, some of his observations are plainly true once laid out and I'm mad I didn't catch them before!
@Kosmos_er
Жыл бұрын
Thank you for giving me a chance ;p
@gLobbZ
Жыл бұрын
I still have major doubts that Marika conspired with Ranni to make the night of the black knives happen, Marika loved Godwyn and shattered the ring after the rune of death was stolen so that she could control who died after her son was taken from her.. and the way she betrayed Maliketh wasn't conspiring to steal the rune, it was the shattering of the ring after the fact. I may be wrong, but this makes way more sense than her conspiring with Ranni, a child of Radagon and Renalla, not her own...
@armandaneshjoo
Жыл бұрын
I have a major recap for you: 0. Marika is basically Mercurious (Devil's master). Even the name is a giveaway. mercury is a shape-shifting metal. Mercurious and Marika are both shape-shifters. How much more shrewd could it get?? 1. Marika became a bestower at a very young age. To pick and choose was her life. So, even if he loved Godwyn, it was not a kind or motherly love. It was like how we love food. We don't take care of it because we are kind. we take care of food because we want to eat it. Godwyn was always just a pawn. 2. Marika dedicated her life to the young Erdtree, after the Great tree fell, and became its only bestower. She never liked competition. 3. Marika forced everyone to do the same, including Godfrey. Not a loving marriage. 4. Marika prevented the growth of any other erdtrees in the lands between, despite the lands' potential 5. Marika used the Elden beast to kill the Gloam-eyed queen and replaced her. 6. She associated herself with the fingers, the Erdtree, the Elden ring, and the greater will. 7. She and her kin were white-haired and long-lived. Neither the long life, nor the beauty was enough for her. When she gained power, the abundance of life she obtained turned her life eternal, and her hair golden (hence the golden order). She used that against the eternal empire 8. Even that was not enough. She removed the rune of death from the Elden ring to become invincible. 9. Shegot interested in the alchemy of eternal cities, and made radagon 10. Marika used the power she gained to kill all the giants to protect her and her Erdtree's new built monopoly on life. She also conquered all the rest of the lands between. She the first totalitarian, in the lands between. 11. Marika used Radagon to deceive Renala and take her kingdom Just like Oda Nobunaga. The lands between is Japan btw. Its history is copied in full. and the golden order is the Shinto Empire. Question is: What's next? Answer is not: She retired and lived happily ever after with her family 12. Marika discovered that the Erdtree is ill, because of the crucible roots climbing up from it. She denounced the crucible, which was sacred before, calling it an omen. pretty accurate. but she even cast her own two kids away 13. Marika casted Godfrey away, hence the name "Tarnished" 14. Marika then started studying the greater will, and order itself, to "strengthen her faith" as she claimed. 15. Marika hatched a plot for all of her soldiers, to struggle for eternity then 16. Marika casted Godfrey away, hence the name "Tarnished" 17. Marika never actually loved Godwyn for what he was. Godwyn wasn't cast away, but he used to hide the fact that Godwyn was a mermaid. Though we don't know if he was a fish from birth, or became one in an attempt to become a dragon. 18. Marika trained all her kids to become military experts. and she was very lenient on Rykard and his massacres. 19. Marika ruthlessly encouraged competition among her kids. 20. Marika didn't shatter the Elden Ring in an eruption of dispair, or else, how could she give one rune to each of her kids? 21. Marika's was not murdered by Maliketh. she was executed. crucified. there was a process. a transfer of power. 22. Before she was executed, Marika found the time to banish lower Leyndel Sorry, but to me, Marika looks %100 Mercury, 0% Mommy. And she DID pick favorites among her kids. Just not Godwyn. So I must conclude that you are leaning too heavily on the game trailers. Let me remind you! Marika's story was written by George R. R. Martin, years before. Question is: Why did Marika conspire with Ranni?
@armandaneshjoo
Жыл бұрын
Question is: Why did Marika conspire with Ranni? Answer is: She conspired with Melina, not Ranni. In George Martin's mythos, Marika had seven children: Godwyn, Godrick, Radahn, Rykard, Malenia, Miquella, and Melina. There was no Morgot, Mohg, Ranni*, Blaid, Serosh, Malekith, shadows, two fingers, or three fingers. And there was no flame of ruin. In the original story Destined death = Red flame = Flame of ruin (see Prince of Persia Shadow and Flame) These are additions by Hidetaka Miyazaki. He is a master of world building, but not a good storybuilder. In the original story, Marika went to war against the dragons, their queen (the Gloam-eyed queen), and the flame of death, not the giants and the flame of ruin. In George Martin's story, Empyreans were Malenia, Miquella, and Melina, not Ranni. Marika conspired with Melina, not Ranni Melina was a black knife assassin, not a firekeeper, not a kindling maiden, not a finger maiden, and not a waifu. It was Melina who did not want to be beholden to the fingers. It was Melina who would walk alongside the flame, to meet the road of destined death**. It was Melina who stole the rune of death. It was Melina who broke into Leyndel with the assassins. It was Melina who killed Godwyns soul, and her own body. She was also born afflicted anyway (did not have a healthy body) It was an act of sacrifice, not a way to get rid of the "influence" of the fingers. I mean... cmon... did u ever believe that? It was Melina who set the Erdtree ablaze during the night of the black knives. It was Melina, not Ranni, who was burned and bodiless. It was Melina who ended the age of plenty, and caused the fall of Lower Leyndel, the golden order, and everything. It was Melina who's soul inhibited a four handed doll. It was Melina the doll who borrowed Torrent*** from his brother Miquella to be able to travel as a spirit doll. It was Melina the doll who sought out the tarnished, and gave them torrent's whistle, and the ashes for the three wolves of Farum Azula It was Melina the doll who would use the fingerslayer blade (Gloam-eyed queen) to kill the fingers. It was Melina's corpse that we were supposed to find, above a divine tower, or wherever. It was Melina's rune we were supposed to obtain. It was Melina's hand, we were supposed to take in marriage. It was Melina's kingdom we were supposed to rule in the end. --------------- * Ranni was Sellen. Renna, Rennala and Ranni were sisters. ** Destined death used to mean transfer of souls to the underworld. You could simply sleep (or visit catacombs) and go see dead people's souls. *** Torrent is a god of the underworld btw. The underworld is where souls go during dreams. Look for it in the upcoming DLC
@Kosmos_er
Жыл бұрын
@@armandaneshjoo I actually really enjoyed reading this
@armandaneshjoo
Жыл бұрын
@@Kosmos_er Proud to hear that. Took me a whole year to figure it all out.
@lususnaturae881
Жыл бұрын
@@armandaneshjoo Interesting, though it'd be great to be true, I'd like more of a source for such a radical idea. All things considered GRRM wrote the world building in the first place, implying over half the lore was later rewritten and added to into what we have now is wild without some kind of evidence backing it up.
@peacewalker4058
Жыл бұрын
I don't think the Godskin Noble is related to this subject at all. Before the destined death was sealed (so before Marika took full control and became a god) Godskins were the priests of death. Divine Towers were clearly made by the same culture that made Bestial Sanctum and Farum Azula in general, the texture of the stones and general architectural styles match too well. I think they are in divine towers because before Farum Azula went up into the sky and started to crumble, and even before Marika took power, Godskin as priests occupied there. Godslayers Prayerbook and Seal can be found in a remote part of Stormveil Castle, the same castle that has the most direct connection of a Legacy dungeon to Tower, I think thats enough of an evidence to say they had some level of activity there too. I think the Divine Towers of Luirnia, Caelid and Limgrave have Godskin presence not because of any plot but because its their "natural habitat", thats also why you fight Godskin Duo in Farum Azula, its their home. I also think this relates to Banished Knight's being in Farum Azula too, the road to the Divine Tower of Limgrave is "protected" by Banished Knight statues. Perhaps Farum Azula didn't rose up to the sky until Marika and Godfrey conquered everything (Banished Knight's can be found in places where Leyndell did their first conquests, Castle Sol is in Mountaintops of the Giants, in Stormveil Godfrey fought the Storm King, their crests can be found in Gelmir where they probably destroyed the first generation of Eigley Paganists (until Rykard came and then killed all the Erdtree enjoyers and reignited the serpent worship) etc. But thats just a pet theory of mine. Note:Im not against anything else you say in the video, even without the Noble and Ranni relation the idea of beast eye and Ranni's corpse turning into stone for the same reason is a genious finding. Thank you for this very well put out video essay.
@peacewalker4058
Жыл бұрын
Also i think its highly likely that Miquella is the Torrents original master. But he also has his own communion with the dead shenanigans so he might also be in on the consiracy, maybe.
@Kosmos_er
Жыл бұрын
I wouldn't say the divine towers match farum architecture at all personally but I do agree that the godskin came from farum azula
@steamedhamlet
Жыл бұрын
I think this is a better fitting explanation of what Marika's betrayal in regards to Maliketh was than Tarnished Archeologist. I think he has everything right in his recent video (which is how I found this spectacular channel! ) except what Matika's betrayal is. She led Ranni to the rune of death and then punished Maliketh for it. We know she beat him or used something on him that hurt him. When you give him enough death roota to aggro, and then you wittle his health down a bit he acts like an abused dog! Marika is a transhumanist. Like the GEQ they try to transcend their humanity and become as gods which is considered a transgression. And I mean it seems great at first and it gives you power but in the long run this transgression takes its toll. Marika should have known... you turn the cheat codes on and play on god mode you miss out on the fun... you'd think she would learn her lesson from what happened to the GEQ
@tex0300
Жыл бұрын
I think Marika is gloam eyed queen. She, like Ranni, plotted against the greater will, and her shadow, like Blaid turned against her, and defeated her. She was then crucified as a punishment and used as a vessel for the ring. She was never the one who sealed the destined death away, it was something that was taken from her and sealed away.
@Ark16
6 ай бұрын
This is my theory too. This video kinda helps as Marikas eyes are never shown. She could be, or once be, gloam eyed. Possibly passed the eyes on to Melina and possibly Ranni.
@Ripdric
Жыл бұрын
The insight about the eyes makes perfect sense. We similar motif in lord of frwnzy fkame and shabriri grapes. The beast eye finding deathroot fits so nicely. Loved the video def in my headcanon now!
@jacksonsavage6689
Жыл бұрын
Really great video, I like where this theory is going and am excited for the next one. Though I’m not sure the beast eye/gloam eye is a fragment of the rune of death; Maliketh’s main conviction after the original fragment was stolen from him is to “not have it stolen from him again” as we hear in his boss fight. Yet he just gives the player the beast eye, which seems to contradict the idea that he is very, very against losing any part of the rune of death
@jacksonsavage6689
Жыл бұрын
Also, D, hunter of death presumably also has a Beast Eye so he can weed deathroot, as we receive the eye right at the beginning of the questline and it seems to be a basic tool used by all deathroot weeders
@Kosmos_er
Жыл бұрын
@@jacksonsavage6689 We don't know for sure deathroot weeders get an eye and the beast eye itself is basically completely drained of any power. In fact we know maliketh has been giving away some death power to weed deathroots. The vulgar militia-men that serve him use beast incantations and have their weapons buffed with death.
@maureenbouterse
Жыл бұрын
I've been getting your videos lately, and damn, been missing out so far! You know, I'd love it if you laid out your thoughts for us why you think Ranni and Marika conspired together. It's one of those theories that really add to the mysteries of what occurrences lead into The Night of the Black Knives.
@Kosmos_er
Жыл бұрын
a few people have been saying that so i am considering it. I appreciate the feedback.
@nottwo
Жыл бұрын
What if the Melina closed eye is because she was another demigod killed on the night of the black knives like Ranni? Also, for the identity of the gloam eyed queen: there’s only three queens in the game: Marika, Renalla, or the queen depicted only in statues at Faram Azula. Also if destined death was originally part of the Elden Ring then there’s only one person who could wield it. We know Marika is clearly unhappy about being a vessel for the greater will, we know shadows main purpose is to turn on their empyrean if they go against the greater will, and we know Maliketh feels betrayed by Marika. Also Marika’s statue body is missing its left eye. I can’t see how it could be anyone but Marika. She’s the one Maliketh defeated. She’s said to have a connection to the spirit world, she is literally “The Logos (Elden Ring) Made Flesh”. After her defeat the Greater Will used a silver tear named Radagon to become her and to be a vessel for the Elden ring. But I think her personality/will still persisted within Radagon which is why you get this divided being. Marika is a Christlike figure, Christ was executed for a mix heresy/blasphemy/leading a rebellion. Then the ones who executed him wound up co-opting his movement. Attributing to Christ things he did not say or do and using him as justification for horrible acts. She’s even fucking crucified.
@Kosmos_er
Жыл бұрын
You basically laid out some of the critical elements to narrow down who it could be. It is one of those 3
@proudlarry8225
Жыл бұрын
I've always loved the theory that back in the old days, Marika was somehow related to the Gloam Eyed Queen as siblings or half siblings, and that after Marika became the vassal god of the Elden Beast by out competing the other empyreans of her age which included the Gloam Eyed Queen, she saved a part of the Gloam Eyed Queen and created Melina to preserve it as part of her bizarre long reaching gambit.
@armandaneshjoo
Жыл бұрын
His next video: The gloam-eyed queen was the queen married to Placidusax. Marika is their daughter. Wait! that does make sense. Numen means god [see Emanuel Kant]. Dragons were eternal [See snake mythology]. and they were the old gods [See Tiamat] So, if a dragon marries a woman, their daughter will be Numen; long lived but seldom born.
@armandaneshjoo
Жыл бұрын
Correction: SmoghTown just published a video, placing the godskin apostasy after Marika's war with the giants. That makes the gloam-eyed queen Marika's sister.
@Krowbros
2 ай бұрын
I along with everyone else have a hard time figuring out the lore for this game. Something I haven’t heard talked about is that Melina is helping you from the start of the game and appears to be traveling, Perhaps searching for the tarnished in the prophecy that will become Elden lord and burn the erd tree. But it seems she is also using us to accomplish her own goals. All the summons and spirits in the game appear blue/white. Even ranni has her blueish/white spirit inhabiting her doll. Melina says she is burned and body-less. We see two other spirits in the game that also inhabit another’s body. Shabriri for one example. Is Melina also a spirit inhabiting another’s body? The two we see are tied to the flame of frenzie, where Melina is completely against it. Or is she just a special case? She can appear and disappear where the other’s don’t. Interesting to see your side of things and it makes me question what others believe about the game. The topics you cover are interesting and seem to align for the most part with the way I see the game. Where as the speculation from other content creators are plausible it has never really sat right with me. Just like the mention of the mausoleum compounds and how marika is older than we think. Seems like she has had many children even way before the golden age. Also off topic but it never seems to be said that Godwyn was killed in the capital but that tiche was killed while trying to help her mother Alecto escape. Is it possible that Godwyn was killed at stormveil? Maybe that’s why we only see the majority of his influence at that location. The gold gauldy portion of stormveil that was added at a later date could possibly be Godwyn’s doing and that was his castle? Just as radahn has redmane and rykard has volcano manor. Godrick just took it over afterwards because he is a descendent of godwyn and the golden lineage. It never sat right with me that godrick decorated the stormveil castle during the shattering war after he was run off from the capital. Seems like a lot of resources to be used when a war is going on and you’re on the losing side. Food for thought….
@skuruhai001
Жыл бұрын
OH MY GOD. Idk if anyone noticed this but Ranni gives you the calling bell plus a summon of 3 wolves.. in Farum Azula, probably the place of rule for the Gloam eyed queen has tons of statues of a small child/woman with three wolves, anyone looked into this?
@wollins7244
Жыл бұрын
Funny that you and SmoughTown dropped these videos at basically the same time lol. Good video friend!
@thenobody7509
Жыл бұрын
think Melina is a reborn person. What, I mean is Marika used the rune of the unborn to rebirth the gloam eyed queen into Melina. Hence, why she speaks like she hasn't actually been born. Melina sees Marika as her mother because she rebirthed her.
@Ark16
6 ай бұрын
Yoooo I been trying to find a reason why she didn't have body or memory. I like this!
@shogomakishima7224
11 ай бұрын
Yes... so about the ritual the Rani performed. My thinking was that it is linked to the Outer God of the Death Birds. The reason is that many things indeed related are essentially interlinked with each other. On the other hand the Gloom-Eyed Queen is not linked to the Undeath. She is all about the "Destined Death" that is the final death, after which there is no rebirth. Mind you: -all Death Sorceries either relate to the Death Birds or Godwyn (and both are related to each other) and when casted they produce the centipede symbol. On the other hand the Black Flame incantations are a totally separate type of magic that doesn't produce the centipede symbol. - Ghost Flame produced by Death Sorceries causes frostbite while Black Flames produced by Black Flame incantations never cause frostbite.
@normanbestboi9117
Жыл бұрын
Gloam Eyed Queen fight gonna be a tri-fight where she keeps respawning the Godskin duo
@DanielGarcia-rx3kt
2 ай бұрын
I have a fringe theory that Ranni and Melina used to be one entity (the GEQ) who was sealed away and then split in soul and spirit resulting in Melina and Ranni respectively. In certain metaphysical schools of thought, the soul is the animating part of your being and the spirit is what anchors the soul to a physical body. Ranni is purely spirit attached to a doll with limitations after a lengthy period of existence. Melina is burned and bodiless but still has a physical, colorful form when near Grace or the Erdtree. Or Torrent. On top of that, spirits are related to Intelligence/Sorcery and souls are related to Faith/Incantations. Of which Ranni and Melina both represent. Ranni is the epitome of sorcery and intelligence and Melina is also representative of faith and incantations. Ranni also behaves like an anchor in which she never moves other than by teleportation or when she is summoned at the end within the Erdtree. Melina is very animated as evidenced in Morgott's fight and her use of incantations (one of which we know will likely be attainable in the DLC, the phatasm small Erdtree spell) shows how she embodies the soul as well as her plea against becoming the Lord of Chaos. Ranni's original body has red hair which makes her likely the child of Radagon. I've seen theories of him potentially being a Mimic so I wondered if perhaps red hair Ranni was also a Mimic SEALING THE GEQ as she was defeated and not killed. As such, when the ritual to kill her body alone happened, her spirit and soul were split becoming two separate entities. Or red hair Ranni housed two separate people like Radagon/Marika from the start with one being the GEQ and the other Ranni. Since the Spirit is sometimes interchangeable with the mind as well, that could potentially explain why Melina had amnesia at first but in coming back to the Erdtree, a divine memory/remembeance tree, her soul recalled her original memories. This could also imply Ranni is her own separate being potentially created as well with the Rune of the Unborn by Radagon/Marika as the father and Rennala being the mother (I'm of the camp they were one being at this time though I can't rationalize if this is necessary or not due to heavy, crazy speculation here). And in the end, the Frenzied Flame melted away all that divided and distinguishes and so the GEQ was returned to her original form which is why her eye is unsealed and her power returned. Again, fringe theory, I know. But it plays so cool in my head lol
@KeybladerofVizard
Жыл бұрын
I’m on the side of either Melina being the gloom-eyed queen or Ranni’s teacher being the gloom-eyed queen. A lot of people try to link Melina and Ranni because of the closed eyes and similar looks but forget that we never see how Ranni actually looks. Her doll body is in the image of her teacher. But Melina not remembering much and being “born” at the foot of the erdtree sets a precedent along with her purpose being “long lost.” As the gloom-eyed queen, Melina’s purpose was to bring destined death. She lost that purpose when she was defeated and was burned and left bodiless afterwards. But because destined death was sealed away she didn’t die, so Marika gave her a new purpose within the erdtree. This new purpose as Melina conflicts with her purpose as the GEQ (at least of what she remembers or feels) and so she ends up rebelling against the golden order. I don’t believe her purpose was to be kindling, but rather that was the sacrifice she was willing to make to lead the tarnished to recovering destined death and bringing it back to the world. Another interesting topic is her connection to the frenzied flame (as we see the 3 fingers mark over her eye) that allows her to becoming the kindling for the flame. Which also brings another question, the tarnished survives when they become the kindling via the frenzied flame, so is it possible that Melina is still alive as well?
@xhinoteque
Жыл бұрын
Ranni didn't work with Marika at all lol That's a BIG misunderstanding. Marika shattered the Elden Ring because Godwyn was killed. From the standpoint of character motivations, it doesn't make any sense. Smoughtown has really good points about this. I strongly recommend to watch his videos about Ranni and The night of the black knives. The eye thing is pretty interesting. Kudos for that
@evilmac9623
Жыл бұрын
We know from Milicents questline that the demigods can create offshoots of themselves. That is how Milicent and her sisters are born, when Malenia blooms in Calid. I always assumed that Merika never birthed children, with the exception of maybe Godwyn. And I only leave him out because we dont know the timeframe when he was born. However, he is not cursed or afflicted in any way. I think after she became a vessel for the Elden Ring she "grafted" children with Godfrey/Radagon just being her consort. It explains why all of her other children were cursed in some form or another. We know outer gods can "curse" Merikas children, its possible that Twin Birds outer god infected Melina. It is a possibility that some ritual was performed to contain the outer god connected with Twin Birds (and its power death). By destroying the world in the frenzied flame ending we might free her from whatever state her body/soul was locked in. The evidence to support this is her dagger is found with the Officials Attire set which reads "Surveillance, executions, gruesome rituals... The darkest duties drive the wheels of mankind."
@cyberninjazero5659
Жыл бұрын
I posted this on the Smoughtown video but it applies here too "The one question I have about Melina being the Gloam-Eyed Queen is her parentage and the timeline. The Kindling Butterfly indicates that Melina is a child of Marika AND Radagon, I say this because the Nascent Butterfly and the Nascent Butterfly represent Miquella and Malenia respectively. Ranni has no butterfly which rules out being an Empyrean as the common link, none of the other demigods are represented by a butterfly, indicating that this form of representation is for the purely godborn. However if the Godskin crisis accrued during Godfrey's reign does that mean Marika had a child with Radagon during that time? or before? There has to have been enough time for 1) Melina to come about and be made Empyrean 2) for her to grow up and rise in power 3) For her defeat to be before the end of Godfreys reign and for there to be enough time for Coliseums to, if not be built then to be modified with equipment re-smithed to bare the snake symbolism. So Melina has to be both from the union of Marika and Radagon and to predate it. I am convinced by the symbolism of the Butterflies that Melina is the offspring of two Godborn parents and convinced by the Erdtree incantation that she bares that she has to be old enough to have been alive during the era of the Crucible. Radagon was considered a champion of the Golden Order by the time of the Liurnian Wars, yet we also know that the Golden Order was founded AFTER the Godskins were defeated, on top of all that Melina describes being born at the foot of the Erdtree. This gives us a time window she had to be born after the war against the Giants and had to have been defeated before the end of Godfrey's reign, more specifically before the Ancient Dragons attacked Lyndell as the Golden Order was established by that time. Melina doesn't need to be the child of Radagon but she at least must be the offsrping of two gods, Marika and one other, the only other god that we know of is the Dragonlords missing consort. Melina coming about during Godfrey's reign explains why she's a secret, along with her betrayal. Furthermore the Serpent is called a "traitor" unlike the Fell God who is vilified but not treated as treacherous, the Serpent either tempted Melina to betray her mother or joined her rebellion after initially obeying the Erdtree."
@falgalhutkinsmarzcal3962
Жыл бұрын
In version 1.00 the Beast's Eye which Gurranq hands to us states explicitly that it is Gurranq's own eye, not anyone else's.
@Kosmos_er
Жыл бұрын
I am aware, and that's what I lean towards. But the final rewrite leave room for the other possibility. It doesn't change anything, it's just metal as fuck of maliketh gouged the GEQ eyes and kept them. Probably just his tho
@falgalhutkinsmarzcal3962
Жыл бұрын
@@Kosmos_er Right, and they could have removed the version 1.00 flavor text to align with your theory, too, since so much has been changed. I was curious what you think about St Trina and the Gloam-Eyed Queen perhaps being the same, or serving the same outer god. Firstly, the Godskins are notoriously weak to Sleep, and St Trina is called the Cradlesong, which might mean a lullaby. Secondly, the GEQ swathed the godskins and "cradled" them (according to the Swaddling Cloth). Secondly, death and sleep are very similar, or at least have been in religious and literary texts for a long time ("to sleep perchance to dream"). Thirdly, St Trina's flame is purple, like the GEQ's eyes. It is crepuscular, and humans start to become sleepy at the Gloaming (though it could also be a metaphor for the end of day, and thus the end of someone's reign). Maybe St Trina is the diminished form of the GEQ, the power of Destined Death being no more than induced sleep now. It seems that all of the demigods are affected by an outer god except Miquella, and I know his ingenuity is to reject the outer gods, but what if he IS affected unconsciously by an outer god (or dead Empyrean)? What if the GEQ's phantasm is influencing him when he is unaware of that influence, maybe even to the point that she is his alternate personality independent of his conscious will. Miquella is St Trina, and St Trina is the Cradlesong, and the GEQ "cradles" Godskin Apostles, who are incredibly susceptible to the Sleep status. That is my tinfoil theory.
@Kosmos_er
Жыл бұрын
@@falgalhutkinsmarzcal3962 They both have purple theme, sleep and death are close, and the trina torch has a single omnious eye. Personally not sure if that connection could lead anywhere, but we'll see in the DLC
@thereisnospoon7054
Жыл бұрын
Marika is the gloam eyed queen fam
@shogomakishima7224
11 ай бұрын
Melina is born from the Eardtree. Reason for Eardtree existence is to regulate the flow of souls in the cycle of death and rebirth. Melina is the reincarnation of the Gloom-Eyed Queen. Melina refers to herself, being: "born at the foot of the Erdtree." This phrase also appears in the description of one of the golden runes: "Those born at the foot of the Erdtree are blessed. At least, that is the enduring belief of the people of the plateau" We also know that souls used to return to the Eardtree before Goldwyn happened, and we can see iconography of people growing on the Erdtree in the game.
@houseatreides7331
Жыл бұрын
I missed you, welcome back Boss.
@QuantumTelephone
10 ай бұрын
"Look out tarnished, im gonna gloam!" -melina
@puzzleheaded6195
Жыл бұрын
G L O A M M A N G E K Y O U S H A R I N G A N
@wanderingbufoon
Жыл бұрын
the rule of 3 also applies when talking about how 1 of the 3 children dies. Godfrey, The 1st Elden Lord, + Marika = Godwyn Radagon + Rebbala = Ranni Radagon/Marika = Melina
@jamie8703
6 ай бұрын
Now that we know about Messmer I'm beginning to belive our Kindling maiden is actually a projection of messmer, a lord of flame and child of Marika (and probably radagon). If she is in fact a projection of messmer, most major theories remain mostly intact, the smoldering butterfly is for her/him/them/Messmer, she is still a child of Marika and perhaps a former empyryan, her connection to death and the gloam eyed queen is maintained through messmer's deadly flame, and her purpose has even more weight. Melina is certain she must burn herself and the erdtree .... again? She grants us torrent meaning she must have met miquella at some point or at the very least collected the whistle from the shadowlands.
@ukaznipsigururuk8685
Жыл бұрын
What if the sealed eyes from both Ranni and Melina just simply signifies the mark of an Empyrean? The Empyreans were chosen by the Fingers, and we can see the mark on Ranni and Melina face somewhat resembles them. The other Empyrean we know so far is Miquella and we never had a chance to see him in game, so until the DLC comes out we will never know if Miquella has it or not. *Edit: if this is the case then I believe Melina is the Gloam-Eyed Queen. After all she is also an Empyrean
@gavinmcphie6936
Жыл бұрын
We can see statues of Miquella - there's nothing interesting about his eye. Furthermore Ranni's actual corpse doesn't seem to bear the mark
@basedgodly1623
Жыл бұрын
Malenia doesn't have it either and she's an empyrean
@nemesisundead83
Жыл бұрын
OMG I never thought about her eye being a piece of the rune of death WOW that makes so much sense
@jjchello
Жыл бұрын
This a really good theory!
@eldenringpvpenthusiast1710
Жыл бұрын
First I wanna say great video, I love learning different perspectives and I think yours is very solid. I know people like the idea of the gloam eyed queen having purple eyes, but it could be more about golden eyes fading to another color. If you watch the in-game sunset, you'll see a golden sun causing a golden gloam over the ocean. But it slowly fades to a pale silver like color. I don't disagree that Melina is probably the best candidate for GED from in game, but I personally believe the purple eyes has to do with the beasts like the demi human queens. I do wonder if Marika's fading order would affect her own eyes, just like how I wonder how Gideon can tell Marika is in a state of sorrow. Does it show in the queens eyes?
@dirmusloner7963
5 ай бұрын
Tarnished the dead who yet lived. That is a phrase we hear when we play the game. The game might gives us hints that the grace was expanded from fingers to us BUT what if WHAT IF the grace the player as Tarnished have is not from the fingers or Greater will, but from a Godess gone long time ago? There might be connections with Ranni and Melina about the stolen fragment, but we as player accomplished to have all pieces of the rune (Fias quest). My thoughts is that we the TARNISHED we harbingers of death. Think about it Gloam eyes queen fled long ago, age of Erdtree starts but I won't buy that the Gloam eyed queen is dead, what if she fled somewhere and pull the strings to one tarnished to play the role of a Godskin apostle? And her grace upon us deceive all that we can be elden lord? Also, I think if someone plans to shatter the Elden Ring that was Radagon, think about it he became Elden Lord, from that moment restricts anyone to go to the fortified manor (a.k.a first ever ROUNDTABLE HOLD) stops the colloseums fights and MAKES HIS SUBJECTS to hate the Tarnished. Heck HE ALSO SEALED THE ENTRANCE TO THE ERDTREE SO HE WILL ENSURE THAT THERE WILL BE NO OTHER ELDEN LORD AFTER HIM. So what if the plan form all accused to be Maria's plan IN FACT WAS RADAGON PLAN. Not to mention that when we enter the Erdtree we see marika Stabbed with a spear, and her hands were staved by a a spear and WHEN WE FIGHT RADAGON THE SPEAR DISAPPEARS. Think again, Radagon is not the good guy in the picture who "try to repair the elder ring but failed" HE WAS THE ONE THAT SHATTERS THE RING. Radogon and Marika might be the same person BUT THEY DIFFER in actions. Also how "conviently" the first demigod to die was Godwyn the Golden, the first born of Godfrey and Marika. Why Rinna target him specifically if not her father Radagon told her so. Radagon with Mogh and Morgot being omens has an easy time to lock them up even for a while. But with Godwyn? He knew he wants a scheme against him because who Godwyn befriend? FORTISAX that alone means that Radagon that wanted out of the picture anyone from Godfrey's age he knew that will have a BAD TIME AGAINST GODWYN.
@jingchaoye
Жыл бұрын
so the eye walked with the horse into melinas eye socket.
@Kosmos_er
Жыл бұрын
Basically
@garyfink17
Жыл бұрын
It's very important to remember that the doll Ranni inhabits was likely made to resemble the "snowy crone" that mentored ranni. It says so in the description of her armor set. Melina and Ranni looking similar is just a coincidence I think
@Galamoth06
Жыл бұрын
Being the child of Marika or being the child of Marika fused with Radagon (assuming they weren't always the same being) still means being born of a mother though, does it not?
@Psykout
5 ай бұрын
"Perhaps the most striking thing they have in common is their closed left eye" I really have no clue how you can make a statement like this while showing a picture that clearly shows Ranni having her right eye closed while Melina has her left eye closed.
@Kosmos_er
5 ай бұрын
Because I'm talking about the spirit not the doll
@lorisceleste1860
9 ай бұрын
This is all very insightful but I can’t shake the feeling that the Gloam-eyed Queen is just another Velka character who’s never going to be shown other than in some weapons or armor set. Velka in the Souls series was a goddess of death and darkness whom the gods feared but we never knew anything about her other than her rapier in DS1. I could be wrong but we all know Fromsoftware games thrive on mistery and lore discussions, so some questions are never going to be answered for the sake of just that, mistery lol
@Cavar21
Жыл бұрын
I like this theory. I was fixated on Melina being the Gloam eyed queen but mainly because of the eye. Didn't realise the rune of death could be helt by multiple people.. Also what reinforces this theory is Melinas "black knife assassins moveset" since we know they were the one behind godwins death..
@steamedhamlet
8 ай бұрын
The si.ilar moveset cohld be that they are all of the same stock as Marika as is said in an item description. The black knives are just blades of calling that have been imbued with the rune of death.
@theydisintegrate
4 ай бұрын
dude the gloam eye that guerraq gives you is literally the gloam eyed queen's eye
@grimmtheschoolaroffools2068
Жыл бұрын
Honestly the idea that the eye is the Shard is an interesting one and that finds an answer to Melina's eye without saying the nonsense that she is the Gloam Eyes Queen. Following that base, what I think happened is that Ranni effectively took the role of grafting the eye of destined death and just like Godrick, who gains the powers of what is grafted, Ranni won the destined death and enchanted the weapons of the black knives; but during the ritual where the mark of death was sewn on Godwyn she still with the power of death performed the same ritual at the same time and gave a half death for both of them, with Godwyn dying in soul and Ranni in body; eventually Melina was sent to rescue the power of death from Ranni's body. Perhaps if we take a closer look at the face of her corpse we can see a trace of a graft, I don't know, but if there was such visual evidence, I would have no doubts. What do you think aboit it? Although yes, Gurank really gives us an eye of the Queen and this is indeed something for which in the past he worried and because of having lost it he ended up like this, or the theory falls apart or each eye had a different power and the only "important one" was the one that Marika stole.
@BRUXXUS
7 ай бұрын
I love this theory!
@jamesneeson5751
Жыл бұрын
Very interesting video, as per usual. Here's a question though, what does it mean to "make its way to melina"? Are the eyes sentient or at least possess some sort of will? What exactly is destined death than?
@Kosmos_er
Жыл бұрын
By make its way to Melina I just meant she was handed the eye
@yumirei
Жыл бұрын
Oh lord, why does everyone love to build crazy theories around the eye that Maliketh gives you? Its description literally says that it is the "Beast Eye", and in the 1.0 version of the game it directly says "Gouged out eye of Maliketh himself" + Maliketh model has empty eye sockets
@TheExai
Жыл бұрын
It doesn't contradict anything If rune of death gives power to one's eyes, than beast eye of maliketh, inside whom the rune of death is sealed, will have some part of the power of the gloam eyes of the gloam-eyed queen or to the blue eyes of melina in the frenzied flame ending
@winterbalm
Жыл бұрын
i watch gloamed eye queen and night of the black knives lore as a true crime investigation
@zolikoff
Жыл бұрын
Liked for the "Radagon and Marika were not always merged together" theory. I strongly agree, it's what makes a lot more sense, yet it's a quite unpopular opinion. They fused only after Marika shattered the elden ring, as an attempt by the greater will to use Radagon's devoutness to get Marika under control.
@dangerousfables
Жыл бұрын
I like this theory. I’m surprised it’s not more popular.
@gavinmcphie6936
Жыл бұрын
Hm but the sculptor who discovered the secret couldn't have used Radagon as a model if he were already trapped within the Erdtree
@theydisintegrate
4 ай бұрын
Firstly, this is a great video! But I disagree with some of your assumptions, and to be fair, you didn't know about Messmer. I think the burning butterflies represent Messmer, not Melina, and I think Melina is the Gloam-Eyed Queen's daughter, but she does not remember this, which explains why she's asking about Boc's behavior, she just doesn't remember. That neatly explains her eye and also the mark on it that she shares with Ranni, although they are not exactly the same. Ranni and Melina are both spirits. The only other spirits in game are called from the Bell which has the same design on the handle as the the Godslayer Greatsword. I think that GEQ's spirit survived her defeat by Maliketh and she helped Ranni obtain the rune and sever her flesh and then become a spirit as well. This was all for revenge against Marika, which Ranni also wanted because of what happened to her mother. Miquella wanted the Erd Tree gone as well and the wolves around Miquella in the statue depicted are as they were before they were spirits. They were Miquella's living wolves just as Torrent was Miquella's living steed. They are spirits now thanks to GEQ, who made sure you had all this spirit help to end Marika and the age of the Erd Tree. Just my theory.
@abycarroll275
Жыл бұрын
I think in the Lands Between, during the age of prosperity and the Golden Order, people, or at least the demigods, were not born from a mother, but are grown on the Erd Tree. Its the demi-humans that give live birth, and thus Melina is curious about what it is like to be born of a mother when she sees Bok. She even said she was born at the foot of the erd tree, meaning she was not birthed but rather grown and nurtured by Merika as fruit of the tree of life.
@mr.mrs.madness1451
Жыл бұрын
It seems the gloam eyed queen could be the witch that looks like Ranni. It could explain why the doll has the eye missing and how it connects to Ranni.
@SaintTrinaLore
Жыл бұрын
Dang you are spitting in this one!!!
@jungtothehuimang
2 ай бұрын
I just do not think there is any connection between Melina and Marika/Radagon. She doesn't fit the archetype of any of their other children apart from having a name starting with M, which I think is an intentional red herring. She doesn't have red or blonde hair. She isn't an empyrean. I don't know who her mother is but it is not Marika imo. I think her purple eye means something we just don't know what yet. Also I think the flame butterflies represent Messmer, now that we know of him. I hope we find out more about Melina because none of the current theories we have are doing it for me 🥲
@lordpickaxe788
Жыл бұрын
Excellent video, I love your analysis.
@Erox006
Жыл бұрын
Blaidd also has purple eye , exactly the same as Melina on ff ending
@johncra8982
Жыл бұрын
My personal theory about Melina is that she's the character that should've periodically shown up sitting sideways behind you as you rode around on torrent with her hand on your shoulder and hugging you, instead of a dialogue dump for a dozen lines that aren't even her own (or are they??? 👀)
@Karak-_-
Жыл бұрын
It would be cool if she was more in the game. Maybe if she would pop out at every site of grace, just to vibe together.
@jamescannon4186
Жыл бұрын
Bruh I’ve played 700 hours and never seen a ghost/woman on torrent behind my dude
@fakechloe207
Жыл бұрын
I don't think Marika planned the night of the black knives. Do you have a video on that topic? Also can't wait for the next video
@Kosmos_er
Жыл бұрын
Maybe I should. I have always talked about it like it's a fact.
@gwenori7656
Жыл бұрын
Great video! One question though, couldn't Melina have also known Torrent's previous owner ? If hypothetically, it's Miquella, then it's a possibility that she received Torrent directly from him.
@Kosmos_er
Жыл бұрын
It's a possibility, then he forgot the give her the other stuff and went to ranni "oh shit I forgor to give her this bell fam, can you like give to whoever gets torrent. Frfe thanks on a stack"
@gwenori7656
Жыл бұрын
@@Kosmos_er who knows man, he was too busy looking for Ensha
@TheRealTetro
Жыл бұрын
The connections are undeniable, but it's all so murky beyond the known facts. This is the one area where I feel that if the DLC does not give us more info, we'll be left with a glaring hole in the lore where it won't even be that interesting to speculate imo given how little we currently have. The hints that Melina is a daughter of Marika are convincing, but I find that it raises a lot more questions than it answers. Why would she have been treated differently than the other non-omen demigods ? Why is there no record of her ? Why does it seem like she was in a cell ? Most importantly, why does she have a gloam eye that's completely unique to her ? There's really no reason why there would be a "hidden daughter" in my opinion. I'm not saying it's not possible, but what even is the point ? Melina is connected to Destined Death, which I understand could be the reason she was hidden away, but then why would that specific daughter just have that kind of connection where there's no trace of it in any other demigod ? It also makes some of her dialogue pretty awkward. She evidently knows who Marika is, and seems to know who her mother is. Apparently she even meets her while in Leyndell. Why then speak of Marika and her mother as distinct ? Beyond that, could she even commune with Marika in her current state ? Can she just enter the Erdtree and have a chat ? This answer is very unsatisfying to me. Until we get more from the DLC, I stand by the theory that she's related to the GEQ, but not Marika. I just think it's far too easy to poke at this theory and find things that don't really add up. I feel that the spirit world idea has not been explored enough (Understandably, since we know so little about it). But as things stand, I find the idea that Melina goes to the spirit world while in Leyndell to commune with her actual mother far more appealing and interesting than any theory that links Melina to Marika/Radagon.
@the1384
Жыл бұрын
And do you think Melina is strongly connected to Ranni ?
@TheRealTetro
Жыл бұрын
@@the1384 They are most definitely connected, if only by the fact they both know Torrent, and there's also the eye thing which is hard to see as coincidental. But I'm not sure it really goes further beyond that. My current take is that Ranni would've had to deal with the GEQ or what remains of her (Melina ?) when she made the Black Knives. But ultimately betrayed them because she had her own ulterior motives that didn't align with the BK's. That would explain why we find Alecto imprisoned where she is, and why Iji and Blaidd are attacked by Black Knives.
@DustDemonTwilight
Жыл бұрын
we don-t know if ranni worked together with marika during the night of the black knives, we don-t even know for sure if marika was involved at all
@xxXEAMxx
Жыл бұрын
What's with the cursemark on her eye when it's sealed?
@Kosmos_er
Жыл бұрын
Death bird talon
@swamashijudbedolofritt4448
Жыл бұрын
Its evident. Typical miazaki fashion. The glome eyed queen is a character we haven't seen yet. And might be revealed in the dlc, like Lady Maria, nameless king.
@Diggsjp01
Жыл бұрын
One of the best things about ALL souls games…theory crafting!
@nerdomania24
Жыл бұрын
Ranni = Frost magic, Melina = Fire magic
@nemesisundead83
Жыл бұрын
Marika realized that her loyal half brother that she knew her (most likely) entire life would turn on her because of the greater will (something had to of happened for her to see that, would be something nice to cover in the DLC even just mention something about it) and she stole a piece of the rune of death or most definitely found a way for it to happen like through Ranni or her Black Knife Assassin's or Radagon heck she could have organized everything and I do mean EVERYTHING after she took control she saw something and made an impossible plan and it worked thousands of years might have passed but it still worked
@nemesisundead83
Жыл бұрын
I mean think about it The Greater Will is most likely broken after the Elden Beast is killed so she completed what I believe she set out to do kill a God and end the Greater Will even if the Greater Will is still around and most likely just wants a lord (I mean look at what they wanted as OK "The Goddess of Rot" REALLY have y'all not seen Calid and the Helitree and y'all are ok with that, some Greater Will)
@Anon-me6gf
Жыл бұрын
"The stolen power is the eye" ; that is pretty genius
@MadLuigi
Жыл бұрын
great video!
@Kosmos_er
Жыл бұрын
Glad you enjoyed it
@MrCacheo
Жыл бұрын
Marika is the gloam eyed queen
@DavidStavis
4 ай бұрын
@kosmos This video from Zullie shows that Melina's closed eye is the same color as her open one throughout the game, at least in her character model. kzitem.info/news/bejne/xGivv6hqa6eQmKQsi=uCWf27LyVbsLc-o1 IF the same-color closed eye in Melina's model was intentional, and not just a developer shortcut (i.e. not bothering to change it since they knew it wouldn't be visible in-game), that detail would strongly support your conclusion that Melina's open left eye changed at the end of the game because the player released Destined Death.
@tomas60952
Жыл бұрын
i think melina is miquella and malenia sister. also that she has 1 of the eyes of the gloam eyed queen and gurranq the other.
@jasonworlock5113
Жыл бұрын
Is the Freazied Flame the First Flame from Dark Souls? I ask this because in the Freazied Flame ending Melina picks up a ring of fire that looks a lot like the Dark Sign from the Dark Souls games.
@Kosmos_er
Жыл бұрын
That's torrent
@jasonworlock5113
Жыл бұрын
@@Kosmos_er I didn't realize it was the Spectral Steed Whistle, but it does resemble the Dark Sign from Dark Souls.
@alejandrocerezo8399
Жыл бұрын
it might be a mistake by elden ring but why doesn't the beast eye react to Melina?
@frostknight7687
Жыл бұрын
There is some important detail that you didn't mention, fia eyes are bluish too.
@samuelbone8894
Жыл бұрын
Marika could have lied to malina about being her mother...
@minespatch
Жыл бұрын
What is your thought on Malenia being the shadow to Miquella as Blaidd to Ranni and Maliketh to Melina?
@esperhunter7263
Жыл бұрын
Malenia is a Empyrean so she would have had a shadow as well, not be one
@minespatch
Жыл бұрын
@@esperhunter7263 So Malenia and Miquella would have their own shadow wolves?
@nemesisundead83
Жыл бұрын
The gloam eyed queen must have been the only one killing people in the past and was killed and added to the Elden Ring as a Rune of Death and made the Elden Ring complete imagine if every Rune was someone killed and added to the Elden Ring
@soliderack
Жыл бұрын
Rannis right eye is closed where melinas left eye is closed.
@jonathancapps1103
Жыл бұрын
I've never understood her claim that she's bodiless. She has scars. She rides Torrent. We can touch her. She doesn't have the appearance of a ghost or spirit. So why does she claim to be bodiless? What does she mean?
@Karak-_-
Жыл бұрын
Maybe she appears in simmilar way how Renna appears in the churh, as a sort of projection.
@jonathancapps1103
Жыл бұрын
@@Karak-_- But she needs the player to taker her to the Tree. It's gotta be more than that, although I agree that the visual affect of them leaving suggests similarity. Although if Ranni were just projecting an image of herself, I would expect it to look like her before she died. Why project the foll and spirit shimmer? No that I think about it, that seems odd, too. She doesn't ask you to clear a path to the Erd Tree. She asks to be taken there. She's a long for the ride, somehow present even when not showing herself. The only thing she gives you is the ring, and I don't see her being bound to that.
@pacoluna533
7 ай бұрын
Amazing content!
@the1384
Жыл бұрын
I really like your Videos please Continue 👍🏽 Until now Rannis eye was never seen correct ?
@Kosmos_er
Жыл бұрын
Never
@KaelynRowk
6 ай бұрын
I now believe that Ranni split herself in three: body, spirit and soul: 1. Imperial body is burned 2. Spirit is Melina 3. Soul is in the doll Marika can split herself into Marika and Radagon. Twins Malenia and Miquella born 'aflicted' because they were ment to be a single creature with balanced life/death circle. (Margit and Morgott also fit here nicely) As a daughter of Radagon, Ranni can inherit the same double nature. Thus Melina is a daughter of Marika born by Renala. The eye is not given to her by Ranni, it is in her, because they are the one. And they follow a single purpose of burning the Erdtree and establishing a new age with life and death both present in a circle. Thanks for the video, it put a lot of things on their places in my mind!
@armandaneshjoo
Жыл бұрын
In George R R Martin's original story, there was no Ranni. Melina was Marika and Radagon's last child. she was an empyrean, and a black knife assassin, who was tasked by his mother to steal the rune of death, and sacrifice her body and her brother's soul (Miquella?), to burn the erdtree, shatter the Elden ring, cause chaos, and use it to rise to power, unshackled by the greater will.
@Kosmos_er
Жыл бұрын
Cool theory
@esperhunter7263
Жыл бұрын
Proof it's the original story by GRRM?
@armandaneshjoo
Жыл бұрын
@@esperhunter7263 How much proof do you need?
@armandaneshjoo
Жыл бұрын
@@esperhunter7263 for starters, you can read my reply to blitz ace comment.
@esperhunter7263
Жыл бұрын
@@armandaneshjoo mf'r you made me dig through all these comments to find your post and it has zero evidence it's GRRM's original story. Are you high
@possibly12
Жыл бұрын
I adore this theory that the eyes of the gloam eyed queen housed destined death itself and are what maliketh held sealed. I don't necessarily like attributing everything back to Marika as a super duper grandmaster plan though. I think it's a bit much to think she even had her own son killed despite the age of plenty likely still going on. I think Marika IS very conniving and ambitious though and did have a crap ton of master plans. She was even willing to yeet Godfrey and his people as a contingency plan it seems based on her divesting grace speech. But still. This idea that she had a hand in Godwyn's death seems to require her to want to shatter the order she worked immensely hard to build from day one. Which doesn't ring true to me, especially not for such an ambitious character. This doesn't damper your video or your theories to me though. Not at all. The point of watching elden ring videos is to see everyone's own unique and awesome thoughts, at least for me. I'm totally adopting the idea that the gloam eye queens eyes were where destined death was or where it was bound as further insult to her.
@emrekulac3207
Жыл бұрын
But what of the snowy crone?
@Kosmos_er
Жыл бұрын
Unsure. Could be so many things, I hope to get more info on her in the DLC
@wqeerwqeer1375
Жыл бұрын
but this would mean marika wanted to kill godwyn? 🤔
@willqzada2226
Жыл бұрын
Bravo
@hhowdy
Жыл бұрын
Elden Ring DLC when 😢
@fakechloe207
Жыл бұрын
Early 2024 at the most
@TheHogfatherInvades
Жыл бұрын
It's the truth of all time
@10hawell
Жыл бұрын
Marica is Radagon nah Melina is Ranni oh yeah +1 tarnishq
@NovaDragon97
Жыл бұрын
What gloves where your character wearing at the very beginning scene? Very sexy
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