A bit of a shorter one since we recorded two of these one after another. Next episode will be Secret Project 4 reactions somewhere between Oct 8th and 10th, and then two weeks after we will do our second episode on these WoBs. (And of course, SpanReads is coming out weekly in preparation for Defiant's release!) -Eric
@josephcorrigan6839
Жыл бұрын
Forget a repair stamp, Kelsier could use an awakened mistcloak, and Command it to flare dramatically at appropriate moments.
@carl11547
Жыл бұрын
Artistic pull: being an audience and *appreciating* art. Artistic push: being the artist and *creating* art.
@quinn0517
Жыл бұрын
Also on Shards: My head canon says Whimsy & Invention are happily in dishardic system full of Goldberg-esque machines- almost Seuss-like. I will not be told otherwise.
@Mwezi828
Жыл бұрын
My bets on the Dawnshard/Shard association: CREATE (concerned with creation/passion/building) Invention Virtuosity Endowment Odium BIND (concerned with order/loyalty/control - this is the one Hoid had) Preservation Honor Devotion Dominion CHANGE (concerned with desire/transformation/entropy) Cultivation Whimsy Ambition Ruin CHOOSE (concerned with free will/morality/judgment/power) Autonomy Valor Mercy Pragmatism/Wisdom (?)
@edwardguest1404
Жыл бұрын
the top one especially
@Dynnen
Жыл бұрын
Unhinged intro? So just the normal intro? 😅❤
@2thechase
Жыл бұрын
Ian missed the perfect opportunity to say that "Ghostbloods" being the name for Era 3 was a mist-nomer.
@sflytal
Жыл бұрын
“We’ll move more quickly” Proceeds to take even longer on the next question.
@JessietheSleepyKoala
Жыл бұрын
We deserve to be called out like this
@sflytal
Жыл бұрын
@@JessietheSleepyKoala honestly, you all rambling about something you love so much is a big reason why I anticipate these videos so much. Don’t change a thing :)
@kenthomas8168
Жыл бұрын
With respect to ruin and preservation being drawn together, but also the net vector being 0: I believe that ruin and preservation would be in the same quadrant. I think that they add up similarly to how Honor and Valor would. You get the equivalent of a beautiful rainforest with centuries of growth and death and regrowth, creating a perfectly sustained ecosystem where all things thrive and perish. Sazed isn't running into issues because Ruin + Preservation = 0. He's running into issues because he's trying to push in a different direction. The issue is that he's wielding the powers with a mortal's morality. He isn't willing to let ruin bring the harsh reality of death and rebirth into Scadrial. This is not a "the powers won't work together" it's "the powers won't work together in a way that adds up to 80% preservation and 20% ruin"
@TexasBlade
Жыл бұрын
Cord told y’all how to deal with Brandon. You have to tick gods to get what you want. Tell him he was horribly cheated out of a real Shardcast episode because he didn’t got for 3 hours. Tell him you will make it up to him by going 5 hours next time and that he shouldn’t let any of those other greedy parties steel his time away from this very important event!
@Homar30
Жыл бұрын
I see WoBs and I'm in.
@_Squiggle_
Жыл бұрын
That is correct
@LadyPatienceK
Жыл бұрын
Same 😊
@sandrar4981
Жыл бұрын
Well, I guess nobody will be sad that there will be more wob episodes 😂
@oneukum
Жыл бұрын
The breakthrough as an artist requires: * talent * training * luck Virtuosity embodies talent and training. Hence two of the three colors of substractive color mixing. Just as a theory. Brandon Sanderson on art, if you will.
@JohnOprey
Жыл бұрын
I think the reason the father machine tried to attack Hoid is the same reason it imprisoned Yumi because she was a threat to it's existence and therefore its ability to carry out its Command.
@SarcasmFiend23
Жыл бұрын
You read my wtcc!!! So happy rn. And Ian’s reaction is so on brand, amazing.
@Saturdad
11 ай бұрын
This episode should have been called "Virtuosity's Investiture Bifurcation"😂
@17thShard
11 ай бұрын
That would have been a pretty good title, though in this case I had to tease people with Mistborn: Ghostbloods -Eric
@Saturdad
11 ай бұрын
It IS a much more curiousity-piquing title!
@hidden3233
Жыл бұрын
Sorry Ian, but Tyn was my first thought after reading clue 5.
@dustindaimar8441
Жыл бұрын
Is there any chance Virtuosity is a quad shard and Ruin and Preservation are in that quad shard (or others instead)? Main reason I would consider this is the painter book was pretty far into Cosmere future.
@crypticweeb
Жыл бұрын
I would guess not, since it was said Virtuosity splintered herself thousands of years ago, and even if it was pretty far along, I dont think this is 3000 years in the future
@CosmereConnections
Жыл бұрын
Well it's not every day you get called out by Shardcast hahaha. But thank you for being so nice in your response to my hands-on-the-ground begging!
@17thShard
Жыл бұрын
Haha, trust me if I knew, I absolutely would! You were not the only one, to be clear :) I think there were 2-3 others. Totally understandable and wish I could do more! -Eric
@CosmereConnections
Жыл бұрын
@@17thShard Just being kind enough to respond and offer help was good enough! Thank you so much, again.
@nothappening5510
Жыл бұрын
the artist shard committing divine sepuku sounds about right
@josephcorrigan6839
Жыл бұрын
#TeamArgent, it's short for Tyndwyl.
@longshot9757
Жыл бұрын
Ian is now fuming even more lol
@AlexNight21
Жыл бұрын
Honor’s push and pull might be spirit of the law and letter of the law.
@KevinHorecka
Жыл бұрын
If you don't think of the 4x4 quadrants as on a plane, but instead sections on a sphere or other shape, shards can connect with more variety.
@Buphido
7 ай бұрын
In a 16 dimensional space, each shard could be connected to each other shard.
@pretty5793
Жыл бұрын
#teamian 😡 I agree with the camera shake Ian.
@quinn0517
Жыл бұрын
I've always considered Ruin as, essentially, entropy...it will always be slightly stronger then Preservation. They aren't opposites - that's the relationship alluded to in Final Empire.
@Buphido
7 ай бұрын
Yeah, I feel like the opposite to Ruin wouldn’t be Preservation; the opposite of destruction isn‘t maintenance, it’s creation. So a shard like Cultivation or Endowment. Meanwhile, the opposite of keeping stuff the same isn’t breaking stuff, it’s changing stuff without destroying it. Maybe Whimsy?
@ianeggleston9991
Жыл бұрын
Could the vessel of vertuosity have had a split personality, thus the more apparent split in magic?
@socialitesmedia1688
Жыл бұрын
Y’all have to realize that Brandon is very esoteric in his understanding of past philosophies and religion and history on a grand scale. That is why his world building is so great. I definitely think all of the shards are definitely polarized why would he have 16 and then 4 dawnshards?
@17thShard
Жыл бұрын
I don't quite understand what you're getting at. What do you mean by polarized? We do know in fact there are four Dawnshards. -Eric
@joeybelasco
Жыл бұрын
Era 3 is gonna be something alright.
@SneakyTogedemaru
10 ай бұрын
So can Virtuosity be akin to our buddy Sazed, to Harmony? In his case the two mixed into this volatile barely stable and yet homogeneous Investiture, so might it be that Virtuosity is a product of similar occurrence but not quiet as opposing shards? And then we have the Sibling...
@joeybelasco
Жыл бұрын
the wobs section of the arcanum should have a feature to select which books you've read to be shown only wobs that you have all of the needed context for. Sounds like an undertaking but I want to put that out there to manifest.
@17thShard
Жыл бұрын
The problem with this is flagging 13000 wobs for every relevant book. I think that'd be impossible to manage and upkeep. -Eric
@legendsofabhaile
Жыл бұрын
We absolutely know the different polarities of Hion if we think about it. They spent the entire book showing us, what is art? is it Yumi's mechanically perfect stone stacking? or is it Painter's creative intuited creations? It's both sides to the coin.
@chrishenslick5482
11 ай бұрын
What if Dalinar, or anyone, convinces all of the spren to form back together into the shard of Honor. Then a new form of surge magic comes about from, let's face it, Kaladin as Honor?
@sydneysmiles4381
Жыл бұрын
Yay WoBS
@VoidLantadd
7 ай бұрын
Bob Ross would draw spirits even if he made every nightmare into a happy little tree.
@egwenealvereiscool7726
Жыл бұрын
#teamIan yeah they don't speak english in world
@OminousToast
7 ай бұрын
Is there a reason why Jess always sounds so creaky? Like an ancient hinge being repeatedly swung
@17thShard
7 ай бұрын
Her microphone situation is a bit different due to desk positioning. She has to be on the other end of the house to avoid microphone bleed from me (I'm loud). It is possible either Discord, my recording filters, or my post processing was a bit off on this one. -Eric
@en-priestess7964
Жыл бұрын
#teamargent
@_argent
Жыл бұрын
You and me both!
@addamsixx7915
Жыл бұрын
five scholars.
@EllenSmyth
Жыл бұрын
Vector mechanics!!! My youngest is in matrix algebra right now and struggling, but I loved that stuff.
@thomasadjetey5029
Жыл бұрын
#TeamArgent
@archierowe3893
Жыл бұрын
#TeamArgent
@TanyerLamb
8 ай бұрын
Fun podcast! I love how the panel inadvertently stumbled upon the "push and pull" that is Virtuosity (in my opinion). For me, art, or the virtuosity of art, is the two forces of Technique and Emotion. Finding that sweet spot of "loose but technical", "beautiful but authentic", hell, even "realistic imaginary/fantastic realism" are all the things we artists struggle with. Plus, there's the push/pull of "making a living/following your passion", etc etc that Painter struggles with in the novel. AKA this is why we're so damn tortured all the time ;)
@alyssakoo2089
Жыл бұрын
#teamian
@NickMoresco
Жыл бұрын
#teamian
@da5idt
Жыл бұрын
#teamian
@SarcasmFiend23
Жыл бұрын
So ready!
@Thalagos
Жыл бұрын
With regards to the shard Virtuosity and your interpretation of how it should encompass technical skill/mastery...Brandon could have named a shard Adroit (or maladroit) just pointing that out hahaha. But on a more serious note, what if the two heon lines are "sub-intented" with one being dexterous skill and the other being focused passion, and I say this because of what Painter did in the epilogue and how it specifically calls out how he had more passion and intent than anyone else. Yumi would be the embodiment of dexterous virtue (with stacking the stones, so perhaps the cyan), and painter would be the embodiment of passionate virtue (so perhaps the magenta)
@Vintagegaston
Жыл бұрын
I think that in regards to the Dawnshards and Shards being related, it’s more a matter of Command rather than Intent. We already have 4 Shards who’s basic description can come under “Change”; Invention, Cultivation, Ruin, and Ambition.
@Shaz1993xoxo
Жыл бұрын
I interpreted Hoid's defence mechanism as something which kicks in whenever something external attempts to interfere with any of his investiture. Perhaps in Yumi the very presence of the Father Machine and its Command was enough to trigger it, regardless of whether there was an attempt to draw Hoid's investiture to it simply because it would have been a persistent threat to his investiture
@MarkBrowning
Жыл бұрын
#TeamIan
@_argent
Жыл бұрын
Boooo
@longshot9757
Жыл бұрын
@@_argentA wild Argent has been spotted in his natural habitat
@carlsmith4568
11 ай бұрын
Im hyped af for SP4 reactions
@17thShard
11 ай бұрын
Coming Wednesday! -Eric
@sflytal
Жыл бұрын
Ok. What if Shah’s art and passion to create the stamp is what attracted the Emperor’s actual soul back to his body?
@TheMCChrisco
Жыл бұрын
57:00 I sometimes wonder if Brandon just likes powers of 2 because binary and 8 was too few so we ended up with 16 haha
@Niall001
Жыл бұрын
Ruin & Preservation might go well with Cultivation & Survival.
@thescyle1951
Жыл бұрын
Well, the 'super shards' question had me thinking... what shards would group? So... lets try sorting them. The question already said Honor, Valor, Mercy and... I would say Virtuosity probably. If they fused, I would call them... 'The Noble' So I also would sort Ruin, Odium, Ambition and Dominion as one Quadrant. Fusing them makes 'The Conqueror' Next we can group Cultivation, Endowment, Invention aaaaand Autonomy actually. Autonomy pairs badly with everyone, cause it is autonomous by design, so... it best fits here I guess. Combining them makes 'The Prosperor' This leaves... Devotion, Preservation, Whimsy and the unknown hiding one for last. I... dont feel like they mix very well. I don't see a better variant though. So combining them obviously makes 'The Leftover'... jokes aside, the combination might just be 'The Watcher' as they would mostly just be passive and not do too much (well 3 of them, Whimsy does stuff very ... well whimsical.) So, opinions anyone on the 4 super shards, Noble, Conqueror, Prosperor and Watcher?
@Buphido
7 ай бұрын
Virtuosity is not about virtue though, it is about artistic skill. So I would not group it with Honor etc. What could fit instead is Devotion to make Honor, Valor, Mercy and Devotion, make that the super shard of Virtue, maybe? Then with virtuosity left over, we could do Virtuosity, Invention, Cultivation and Whimsy. Make that shard Creation. Those left are Odium, Ruin, Dominion, Ambition, Autonomy, Preservation, Endowment and our unknown shard. I would like to group Autonomy and Ambition together, since they seem very much alike, but I can’t think of another two super shards that would work from among these 8.
@Karmic_Guide
Жыл бұрын
Love an unhinged intro
@shazkhan5101
Жыл бұрын
#teamargent!
@evelynbasham1673
Жыл бұрын
Here for the WoBs. 😊
@klanmasterio
Жыл бұрын
What if Virtuosity is the combination of two shards like Harmony? Maybe two shards we already know, but combined and splintered in the far future yumi is set in.
@SarcasmFiend23
Жыл бұрын
Brandon is on record as having said that harmony is the only combo shard at present. I think someone also asked this and he said it was one of the og 16. *pretty sure, not 100% confident*
@edwardguest1404
Жыл бұрын
@@SarcasmFiend23 he did say this in the Q and A after the secret project was announced
@Haxerous
Жыл бұрын
11:46 I wonder if they meant Re-shephir and Ambition. Re-shephir is called the midnight mother for a reason and Ambition splintering by Odium brings about the Shades.
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