Good job calling out Motor Trend. Ever since they started to make you pay for content and took their vids off KZitem, I haven’t watched or read any of their content.
@nickbrock5546
3 жыл бұрын
Agreed... I really appreciated this review and especially Nate’s comment about how a single negative review (esp from sources like MT) likely impacts decisions. Who tows an airstream with a Rubicon anyway? Load that thing down with a half-dozen dirt bikes and camping gear then get back to us.
@alienation-k1x
3 жыл бұрын
Anyone that knows even the basics of towing knows that 10-15% of the overall weight should be on the tongue. MotorTrend staff was towing a 5,200 pound TT with 485 pounds of tongue weight. The owners manual in the Jeep Gladiator specifically states: "If the gross trailer weight is 2,000 lbs (907 kg) or more, it is recommended to use a weight-distributing hitch to ensure stable handling of your vehicle. If you use a standard weight-carrying hitch, you could lose control of your vehicle and cause a collision." The lack of proper tongue weight and disregard for proper weight distribution is utter and complete incompetence by MotorTrend staff. Not only is their article completely bogus, but they arrived at their conclusions through complete negligence of manufacturer's recommendations. Hopefully FCA lawyers sent a cease and desist to MotorTrend.
@geoffmooregm
3 жыл бұрын
@@alienation-k1x If that is what happened that is extremely un safe. Especially on a mid size. My dad used to tow (in the 80's and 90's) a 19' 3500lb Bigfoot travel trailer with a 82 Chevy Malibu Station Wagon. It was gutless with a 305 and Turbo 350 transmission but it never let us down. With the weight distribution hitch and air shocks it was perfectly level and towed well. What you describe was completely idiotic on Motor Trends part.
@2muchtalk173
3 жыл бұрын
Agreed - Motor Trend 👎
@likwitsnake2
3 жыл бұрын
I did a free trial for the magazine years ago and they reported me for non payment even though I never gave them a card or anything. Tanked my credit like 20 pts. Screw them man.
@4wheeling
3 жыл бұрын
Nailed the towing analysis perfectly. The only reason a trailer would wander like that is because it was not properly loaded. You need to make certain you have the appropriate tongue weight.
@davidcox2197
3 жыл бұрын
And possibly the Airstream is too far towards the top of the towing rating it could be much heavier than stated, mid size trucks do well up to 3500-4000 lbs, after that your pushing it with safety towing with any mid size truck. I know from my 06 Tacoma OR my Casita 17 is about the limit of the trucks ability to tow well. Its somewhere around 3500 loaded for camping. Most Airstreams that size are Very heavy trailers in comparison.
@MrJcjet
3 жыл бұрын
There's more to the trailer stability physics than tongue weight. It's a combination of tongue length from axle centerline, polar moment (how far the weight is from the axle center - ie concentrated over the axle or spread out), and tongue weight. A car trailer normally is more stable due to the much lower polar moment than a travel trailer. So this test isn't really comparable. It towed a more dynamically stable trailer with more stability... Yes. But what does that really confirm? More stable trailers are easier to tow? I think we already knew that.
@marklittrell3202
3 жыл бұрын
@@MrJcjet Right on. The gladiators towing capability will be limited more than anything by its light weight. To tow more safely it would need a few K more LBs to its stock frame. Its a light weight off road truck, not a towing monster.
@Turshin
3 жыл бұрын
This is why I watch TFL Ike Gauntlet content. They show you where they tow and how they load the trailers. Motortrend has been full of shit multiple times before.
@mesanders1113
3 жыл бұрын
@@marklittrell3202 I have a 2010 gmc ext cab sierra 2wd 5.3 6spd auto and a 2019 F150 crew cab 10spd auto the F150 is considerably lighter than the Sierra like a 800-900lbs I have a 9k lb travel trailer I was worried about the lighter weight in the F150 but it wasn't an issue it was actually more stable. The factory brake controller was way more intuitive and engine braking was better. Modern trucks are towing more while weighing less. Stability comes from proper loading, weight distribution hitch and well designed trailer brake controllers.
@kentuckyproud4575
3 жыл бұрын
I'm not in the market for a Jeep, and I don't think I'll ever have to tow with a Jeep. But I can say this, this is one of the best reviews of a vehicle I have seen.
@DirtLifestyle
3 жыл бұрын
thank you!
@2ShoesPhoto
3 жыл бұрын
It sounds like Motortrend didn't have enough tongue weight.
@DirtLifestyle
3 жыл бұрын
I know many of you were hoping for a completed tire carrier today but it won't be ready for a day or two. Until then, enjoy the gladiator diesel video! Here is the article from motor trend. I highly recommend checking it out 👍 www.motortrend.com/cars/jeep/gladiator/2021/2021-jeep-gladiator-ecodiesel-first-test-review/
@shekharmoona544
3 жыл бұрын
Would you recommend a trailer break controller and weight distribution hitch for RV towing?
@Shredxcam22
3 жыл бұрын
Mototrend botched the towing. I hate their articles. They need to hire more engineers and mechanics and less auto journalists to write the articles
@jwilson2899
3 жыл бұрын
Any trailer over 3000 pounds requires trailer brakes in every state, some states it’s even lower.
@kylancook3477
3 жыл бұрын
@@shekharmoona544 yes! If you have access to one it will never hurt. I even use it on my flat tow trailer and it makes a huge difference
@cdodge2996
3 жыл бұрын
Nate, you nailed it! I'm definitely not a fan of the price on anything new and love to find problems with new stuff. BUT, the Motor Trend "test" is extremely flawed. The complaints they had regarding handling are due to a bad trailer setup, nothing else.
@act2.533
3 жыл бұрын
I used to deliver Airstream campers from the factory to the dealers. Some of the models would throw my Ram 2500 Cummins around because the axles are too far forward. Airstream (and most camper manufacturers) do that because it keeps the campers "half-ton towable" even when they are too heavy/long for a half-ton. Not a big fan of the new diesel engines, too much emissions stuff to keep the reliability on par with current gas engines. Once my Ram hit 100k, a bunch of that stuff just suddenly fell off.
@chuckw6099
3 жыл бұрын
"suddenly fell off". That's funny!
@johnelliott4521
3 жыл бұрын
Ate the end of the day, it is a FIAT fix it again theodore diesel.
@fokker34
3 жыл бұрын
Love my third gen, hate the mopar aspect of the truck. Front end, trans, all need upgrade to handle the torque and heavy factor.
@wcooper0077
3 жыл бұрын
I have the 3.0 in my ram and love it emissions fell off at 100k and I lost the tone ring at 128 but at 140 she still singing along getting 26mpg at 80 in Texas.
@coloradoklutch8005
3 жыл бұрын
I also like Motor Trend, but I know they accept payment for their reviews. I'm thinking their Diesel Gladiator towing video should be labelled, "Brought to you by Chevrolet".
@chuckw6099
3 жыл бұрын
Sponsored by Chevy. That's funny!
@davidcox2197
3 жыл бұрын
@@chuckw6099 Chevrolet has to buy good reviews for sure.
@chuckw6099
3 жыл бұрын
@@davidcox2197 Well, in full disclosure, I have a Gladiator and a newer model 2019 Ram 1500. I love the Hemi in it. I don't care for the styling of the new Chevys. Regardless of which manufacturer a person chooses, all of these newer trucks are way better than the trucks 10 or 20 years ago. I just hope they just last as long. Lol.
@99jeepxjguy97
3 жыл бұрын
Or Toyota . . .
@coloradoklutch8005
3 жыл бұрын
@@chuckw6099 That is a good point. I recently sold my 1986 Jeep Comanche and bought a Jeep Gladiator. The Comanche was a 4x4 long bed and it was kinda cool, but the factory Chevrolet 2.6 liter V6 was downright anemic. It made NO power and, thanks to the 3-speed auto, it guzzled gasoline. My new Jeep truck has LOTS more power, 4 doors, uses way less gas and, hey, the top comes off!
@wjsj69
3 жыл бұрын
Great review. EPA doesn't like diesels. They're doing their best to kill them with requirements that make them unaffordable and unreliable. Me thinks Motortrend might be in the EPA's pockets a bit..
@bigwahoo8686
3 жыл бұрын
Epa won't be able to kill diesel engines. The world is run off of Diesel
@JustAnotherGuyInTheComments
3 жыл бұрын
@@bigwahoo8686 They don't care. They want to start with the consumers and work their way into agriculture. Any modern diesel has emissions BS, dpf def regen and all.
@duckwacker8720
3 жыл бұрын
That's why we'll keep deleting and tuning.
@silverstake88
3 жыл бұрын
Yeah, agreed. MT said the diesel didn't pull as well as the gas version?! I. Call. Bullshitt. That is a lie.
@HoneyBadgerFarm
3 жыл бұрын
wait until you see what CA is requiring for diesel engines in 2024...
@darrylbauman6576
3 жыл бұрын
When towing any trailer, you should have 15% of the weight on the tongue. If MT towed a 5200 lb camper with 485 lbs on the tongue....
@cdodge2996
3 жыл бұрын
Hahaha, that's what I was thinking. Didn't even catch the basics... That driver should likely stick to car reviews...
@1970gregg
3 жыл бұрын
As soon as I saw it on the screen I thought damn not even 10% tongue weight
@Russianmafia10
3 жыл бұрын
I thought 10% tongue weight was what you're supposed to have
@averagefish7101
3 жыл бұрын
Your very focused, highly cinematic shots are some of the best on youtube.
@DirtLifestyle
3 жыл бұрын
Thank you!
@shadow9600
3 жыл бұрын
@@DirtLifestyle agreed! What setup were you using for the slow pans in some of the talking segments in your shop?
@MrMatt0184
3 жыл бұрын
I would rather spend money to overbuild a project. Monthly payments would be too high for something your probably going to want to mod anyway. Save your money and buy a welder. Lol
@kregadeth5562
3 жыл бұрын
That’s advice to live by
@peterf.4268
3 жыл бұрын
The media in general & even the automotive media have biases, before they cover an issue or review an article, they frequently have an opinion that they want to prove (rather than objectively view something with a clean slate)...I can't help but wonder if they knew the Jeep would struggle w/ a center-axled trailer and pick that variable (as well as, potentially, elevation) to intentionally set up the Gladiator for failure. I've seen this a lot in other comparisons where they pick a testing variable that 1 tester excels in where other struggles in deapite the fact the no one picks (or doesn't pick) the latter tester b/c of that variable, then they declare the former the "winner" based on cherry-picked criteria.
@mattmerchant5050
3 жыл бұрын
Consumer reports did that with the XJ reviews they did back in the 90's, it would surprise me if motor trend didn't do it now with the Gladiator. One of the worst cases of this was Peterson's 4 wheel and off road's 4x4 of the year in 2003.. you know the year the TJ Rubicon came out, the most capable factory 4x4 ever produced up to that point.. guess what won that year.. some yuppie lexus luxury SUV. That thing would get stuck in a grocery store parking lot that wasn't plowed clean, but it sure drove nice on the freeway so it won 4x4 of the year, WHAT?! Bought and paid for, period.
@DirtLifestyle
3 жыл бұрын
I agree man. I like motor trend alot but am very firmilar with the hit peices automotive journalist did to take out the Suzuki samurai. I think anything you read or watch just be noted but not taken as the last word. I hope this video helps some folks get a fair assessment on what this truck should be used for. Either way thanks for watching buddy 👍
@Bronco7879
3 жыл бұрын
Consumer reports did same thing to the Isuzu trooper in the 90’s and I think Isuzu sued and won. Purposely rolled it over I believe.
@gen1c8rs88
3 жыл бұрын
I have seen automotive reviews in Europe of the JL Wrangler Rubicon vs The G Wagon vs the new Defender. And driving the JL differently to fail up obsticles and not disconnecting sway bars in a few KZitem videos😕
@peterf.4268
3 жыл бұрын
@@gen1c8rs88 if JL failed to accomplish was 2 vehicles that are WAY more expensive could accomplish, that isn't saying anything. But JL is a GREAT platform. And the JT is the best offroad-focused midsized P/U made.
@gregsills1041
3 жыл бұрын
The simple fact that Motor Trend towed a travel trailer without the use of sway control & weight distribution shows they are either ignorant or it was a biased test setup for failure. How many times have you seen one of these trailers on it's side & the truck with its tail end in the air or worse because it lacked the use of proper towing equipment
@Oljeepguy
3 жыл бұрын
My thoughts exactly. My wife was listening to me watch this video, and she said it while I was thinking it. I even use a weight distribution hitch on my flatbed trailer. It makes a big difference.
@SeanGoldsmith
3 жыл бұрын
I tow travel trailers for work with a 3/4 or 1 ton and without the sway bars hooked up, the trailer are all over the place. So I think MT should retest with proper set up
@makingtechsense126
3 жыл бұрын
I would bet that the journalist testing the towing capability has zero experience with real-life towing. There are so many egotistical, young "professionals" out in the work place who are know-it-alls and don't bother to actually gain knowledge on a topic before declaring themselves an expert.
@99jeepxjguy97
3 жыл бұрын
My vote is for a biased test.
@donkeymarco
3 жыл бұрын
@@makingtechsense126 And potentially they are also dangerous for other people on the road.
@myronsichanpheng3764
3 жыл бұрын
Next video: Nate: “My new diesel Jeep Gladiator” Following video: “1-ton swap on the diesel Gladiator”
@DirtLifestyle
3 жыл бұрын
lol
@megarafjogos
3 жыл бұрын
1.9 TDi swap on the diesel Gladiator
@mattbrew11
3 жыл бұрын
My sport S diesel already has ultimate 60s and 40s underneath it
@joshuafitforbattle8999
3 жыл бұрын
@@mattbrew11 no one cares.
@1oldskoolluvr
3 жыл бұрын
Already being done Myron.
@Wickham09
3 жыл бұрын
Can't believe they aren't releasing the diesel gladiator in Australia. Worst decision ever. Australia the land of dual cab diesel utes (trucks) these things would be sold out!
@jimmyvalhalla1939
3 жыл бұрын
American's want the 79 series diesels!!!
@Wickham09
3 жыл бұрын
@@jimmyvalhalla1939 So true! If the gladiator was offered in diesel in Aus I would already have one. As it is I'm holding out for the Grenadier to replace my old Defender
@kristoferfc6525
3 жыл бұрын
had the same thoughts but the breakover angle is pretty rough for their terrain out there
@Wickham09
3 жыл бұрын
@@kristoferfc6525 it's not really any worse than a 79. There are a few around, but you don't see many because they are petrol. If you could get a diesel I think they would be everywhere. You need diesel in Australia because you need the range.
@deanweller5789
3 жыл бұрын
I agree Australia needs the diesel!
@j.d.t1728
3 жыл бұрын
i received my 2021 EcoDiesel Gladiator Sport November 6th. I also have a 2020 Sport Gladiator with the max tow package (gas). I've not sold the 2020 yet because we are in the process of attempting to put together a comparison of the two. I will tell you that I also disagree with the Motor Trend take on the EcoDiesel. I have towed LJ's (right at 6K lbs with trailer) through Indiana, Ohio, Kentucky and Tennessee with each of these and the EcoDiesel does it much more effortlessly and efficiently than does the gas. I've never had any issues with the trailer wandering with either rig. I've not had any problems with the EcoDiesel overheating.
@Backwoodbuilds
3 жыл бұрын
The 2021's have a new steering box. The old steering boxes were all aluminum and made them wander and handle very badly! They replaced mine to the newer one under warranty! Now it's a completely different truck!
@chuckw6099
3 жыл бұрын
I have a 2020 and have the stock steering box. Even my 2018 JL Rubicon wandered all over. I order an aftermarket brace that will correct this problem but it has been on backorder from the manufacturer and/or a national known 4 wheel drive shop SINCE MAY. I need to go to the dealer and have them install the new steering box under warranty. Luckily it is not the only vehicle I drive. My newer Ram 1500 with the Hemi is sure fun when I stomp on the gas. Lol.
@Backwoodbuilds
3 жыл бұрын
@@chuckw6099 yeah I have the synergy sector shaft on mine. It helps but it didn't fix it. Now I put it back on with the new steering box figured it couldn't hurt.
@someonethatwatchesyoutube2953
3 жыл бұрын
I rented a wrangler in 2019 and it wandered horribly. Much much worse than my 2004 Lj with 150k and original front end. I’m really glad to hear the new steering box helped. I would be livid if I paid what a new Jeep costs and was told I had to live with that mess.
@smarterthanyou2674
3 жыл бұрын
Every diesel gladiator has the new box
@Bikesands
3 жыл бұрын
The towing from the turbo at elevation should be an advantage over the gas engine. Motor Trend is a car magazine at best.
@DirtLifestyle
3 жыл бұрын
True but I was speaking to the comparison of our experience to theirs with the diesels. We were just over sea level and if they are in the rockies the turbo on their truck might struggle to keep peak boost.
@kregadeth5562
3 жыл бұрын
At BEST. At typical they are a company that says what it is popular to say. Companies tell them what to say then they tend to go ahead and say it. Motor trend is more an advertising platform for car/car related companies
@richardwilliams3152
3 жыл бұрын
@@kregadeth5562 This is absolutely true, their "car of the year award" goes to whomever pays the most in advertising!!!!
@PNW_Car_Mods
3 жыл бұрын
Great review Nate! We picked up a Max Tow Gladiator a year ago as a general purpose vehicle. One of the key things we wanted was the tow capacity as we tow a 6k pound (scaled) RV trailer but yet not another Full size truck which we've had many of. Granted we run a weight distribution hitch I will say that with the Gladiator at max gross and the trailer at 6k it tows incredibly well. I like you have towed just about everything under the sun. This combo is very nice. We obviously don't have the diesel and I can say the gas motor while being a bit obnoxious will tow this weight just fine and also we've never seen any weird temp spikes on hills. I was appalled when I first heard about this article from Motortrend. You just can't fault a truck over a crappy setup.
@PNW_Rodeo
3 жыл бұрын
That hill southbound I-5 outside of Mt. Vernon is 5% grade. Known to locals as Starbird hill due to the exit name at the top of the hill. Great video and excellent review.
@chuk2rs
3 жыл бұрын
Sounds like Motor Trend needs to tow the same trailer & hitch with another comparable truck.
@spinningedge8790
3 жыл бұрын
Sounds like motor trend needs more practice towing. I agree to much wait to far back on the airstream
@KenLyns
3 жыл бұрын
Motor Trend isn't Truck Trend. Maybe the wrong reviewers were on the job for this one.
@cdodge2996
3 жыл бұрын
For the safety of the traveling public, this Motor Trend group doesn't need towing experience, they need not tow period. Just because you can, doesn't mean you should.
@xmo552
3 жыл бұрын
Weight *
@erichughes9098
3 жыл бұрын
Looks like to me the trailer in the article wasn’t set up right. They probably got some staff writer who has no idea about setting up and using the trailer. As your old partner Matt did a really good series on trailers and towing. It’s sad when they put somebody in charge of something that has no idea what they’re doing. Thank you for another great video keep up the good work😎👍
@davidcox2197
3 жыл бұрын
I know I would want a 2500 size truck to tow that airstream, not a mid size.
@michaellopour7409
3 жыл бұрын
Turbochargers are actually better than naturally aspirated at elevation. Other than that I agree with what others have said, the wind resistance difference between even an Airstream and that Jeep is massive. Even though a 23ft Airstream is a little big for a mid-size pickup, that Gladiator has the torque and wheelbase for something that large; they really did need to put a weight distribution hitch on that setup to tow safely.
@abpsd73
3 жыл бұрын
I consider fancy magazine reviews about the same way as movie critics. The "professionals" usually have a radically different opinion than those of us in the real world.
@randolfo1265
3 жыл бұрын
Totally, they get to review supercars and stuff that I might see once in a year. Then they all jaded about something mid-range that I think is really cool
@chrislane9076
3 жыл бұрын
I agree completely, I own a 2020 gas powered gladiator and pull my bass boat and my other jeeps with no probs in the mountains of South Carolina to Tennessee.
@granitesand78
3 жыл бұрын
I'm gonna be honest... most car magazines seem to be written by hipster bloggers now, not real true gearheads. These guys aren't swapping motors, regearing axles, racing hot rods on the weekends like Freiburger. Motor Trend, C&D, R&T, TheDrive, they all are very edgy when it comes to their takes, usually work in a political SJW/climate change angle, and tend to be click baity. Selling clicks works, it's how the internet thrives. But they've lost a lot of credibility doing it imo. BleepinJeep came out with a video a few months ago demonstrating how loading your trailer improperly causes the identical situation they described, maybe they should give it a watch. My 2 cents.
@watchchannel8201
3 жыл бұрын
That airstream is a big trailer with ALOT of surface area, grabs allllll the wind and has a lot of drag. Also weight distribution. It probably needs a sway bar. The truck isn’t meant to pull trailers obviously but it’s made to be able to pull a small trailer here and there.
@jameshall4385
3 жыл бұрын
John must be a good friend. He is putting his brand new jeep to work, without even breaking it in. I like the gladiator but I wish jeep would have done something special to it. It would have looked awesome if they put a gladiator front end on it. It would Really make you feel like you got a special vehicle, not just a wrangler with a truck bed.
@shadow9600
3 жыл бұрын
Looked like he purchased from a Volkswagon dealership, so guessing it was lightly used.
@j.d.t1728
3 жыл бұрын
FYI. There is no "break in" recommended by Jeep for the EcoDiesel. I've got 3K miles on mine (got it 11/6/20) and at least half those miles pulling 6K lbs.
@matthewhatton3637
3 жыл бұрын
I still got my fingers crossed that they release the two door 🤙
@usdohs
3 жыл бұрын
Same. Only jeep I want.
@soberlivingwithbrianfrankl8254
3 жыл бұрын
@@usdohs I agree!! I've been saying that for a while also.
@nothingtoseaheardammit
3 жыл бұрын
H1 XLC2. Diesel. Two Door. Truck. Bam.
@betweenthepines4000
3 жыл бұрын
Didnt Jeep say they cant??
@drmoto8058
3 жыл бұрын
@@betweenthepines4000 they easily could, but they said they won't because 2 door trucks aren't as popular. i'd buy a j6 if they started making them
@peachpole
3 жыл бұрын
I think pulling a travel trailer with a gladiator and no weight distributing hitch was a dumb idea and really shouldn’t have been considered. The gladiator just isn’t a big enough vehicle for that type of towing. It probably would have been fine with the right hitch set up though. I agree with you about the axle placement on the airstream as well, that doesn’t look right to me. The temperatures run warm on a lot of new vehicles because the OEMs allow them too. I think it’s better for emissions reasons.
@koryr1853
3 жыл бұрын
My Suburban would struggle with my 5400 lbs travel trailer without a weight distribution. Campers tow different then other trailers, a lot of the weight is not changeable, hence needing the weight distributing.
@MrJamesLuz
3 жыл бұрын
I tow a 4500 lbs travel trailer with an F150 rated for twice that and still use a WD hitch. It’s literal incompetence to tow a travel trailer without the proper hitch setup.
@walterbryan1798
3 жыл бұрын
When I first read the first few lines of their article and it says "without a weight distribution hitch," I thought to myself "that was a dumb idea." Like another guy who replied to you said, you'd want an equalizer hitch on even a 1/2 ton truck. It makes the towing more stable. Not sure why MotorTrend didn't do this, much less get a trailer with the axles slid farther back.
@PaulCatalani
3 жыл бұрын
Agreed, MT missed the warning in the 2021 Manual: "WARNING! If the gross trailer weight is 2,000 lbs (907 kg) or more, it is recommended to use a weight-distributing hitch to ensure stable handling of your vehicle. If you use a standard weight-carrying hitch, you could lose control of your vehicle and cause a collision."
@duncdunc76
3 жыл бұрын
@@koryr1853 not just the weight but often more importantly is the wind resistance of an rv enclosed trailer compared to a flat bed trailer.
@Ebbyman413
3 жыл бұрын
To do a REAL real-world test, you'd have to pick a different color - that Sting Gray adds a 15-20% in all categories, so... 😁 Awesome video as always.
@jasonh4167
3 жыл бұрын
My best guess, is the airstream was more of a wind sail witch in a windy situation makes it worse to tow. example our 09 ram pulling a 2000 lb 5th wheel is fine, but add a wind and bam! Drifts, laggs up hills, all the fun stuff.
@Fix_It_Again_Tony
3 жыл бұрын
Yeah, that's what I see in addition to what Nate mentioned about the tongue weight and the axle location. The areo and tongue weight/axle location work together to make the truck unstable. The diesel also has less power (by 26 HP versus the gas V6, about 10% less) which should be a disadvantage pulling hills at highway speeds. Motor Trend mentioned pulling hills with the diesel Gladiator towing the Airstream was a problem. I know everyone always says "but torque", however, torque says nothing about time, while power is force (torque is a rotational force) multiplied by speed (distance per time), so power is torque applied at speed. You can even see this in the horsepower formula: horsepower = (torque × speed)/5252. Power is torque multiple by speed. Pulling a hill with a wind sail Aerostream trailer takes power if you want to do it fast. If you slow to a crawl, then torque is dominant. Low HP engines could pull the same trailer up the same hill with the help of gearing, but it would be much, much slower. So while it pulled the weight of the trailer and Liberty fine, the Airstream with its huge frontal area (and side area for that matter) present additional resistance the truck needs to overcome, particularly at highway speeds.
@xerointell
3 жыл бұрын
@@Fix_It_Again_Tony Lets remember that these new gas and diesel motors make more horsepower than any of the 3/4 or 1 ton diesel trucks from the 90's and even some in the 2000's that had no issues towing Airstreams. Yes, some made more torque, but you claim is that torque doesn't matter. Reality is, the Gladiator is a light pickup. Physics says that as you approach a trailer of equal weight to the towing vehicle, you need tongue weight to keep things in check. The Airstream NEEDS a weight distribution hitch due to the simple fact that it has less than 10% of its weight in tongue weight, even behind the biggest, baddest 1 ton. The Liberty towed fine because it had a forward weight bias.
@Fix_It_Again_Tony
3 жыл бұрын
@@xerointell I agree the tongue weight was too low. 10% is the rule. Torque does matter, because torque produced at speed produces power. 200 ft lbs at 3000 rpm is 114.25 HP, at 6000 RPM that same 200 ft lbs is now 228.5 HP. You can think of it from an energy perspective. When pulling on flat ground you only need to overcome rolling resistance and wind resistance. When pulling up a hill rolling and wind resistance don't go away, but now you also need to put energy into the vehicle and trailer as you pull up hill because you are adding potential energy to the gross vehicle mass. If you want to go faster you need to add more energy per unit time. That is literally the definition of power, "the amount of energy transferred or converted per unit time". Torque created by the engine is converted into a pulling force at the tire, but this is not relative to time at all so it says nothing about speed. Torque in ft lbs at the wheel hub is divided by the radius of the tire in feet and becomes lbs where the tire meets the road. It is just a force. You need to have enough pulling force, obviously, but it tells you nothing about how fast you are going. This is where power comes in. As well as energy per unit time, power can also be expressed as force multiplied by velocity (or speed if you don't care about the direction). As soon as you start talking about speed everything is relative to time and now you are talking about power, not force (torque is just rotational force). I am not saying those older diesels couldn't tow, but they towed slower than a modern engine with more power for the same trailer and GCVW. As you mentioned the Gladiator is a lot lighter than the old 3/4 and 1 ton diesel pickups, so it has that advantage from a power/potential energy up a hill standpoint (lower GCVW for the same trailer). The disadvantage, like you said, is that the mass of the trailer is about equal to or exceeding the mass of the tow vehicle. This is where the tongue weight becomes really important. Diesels are better in some ways for towing because they produce more torque at lower RPMs so that is a huge plus, especially with a heavy trailer. However, if you are looking at towing up a hill the truck with more wheel horsepower will pull the same trailer at same GCWV faster. The fuel does not matter.
@tonyb2086
3 жыл бұрын
Imo you need a fullsize to haul a 23 foot airstream. I owned gas trucks and cars my whole life. I'm almost 50 and purchased an deleted 08 6.7 ram w/75k on it about 5 years ago. Hands down the most powerful and fuel efficient vehicle i have ever owned. W/ the auto six(68rfe😊) and being deleted it does 28mpg City all day long and runs a bit on the cold side, definetly need to invest in the mopar radiator cover for cold weather. I think motor trend is biased against Jeep on this subject. Idk when your going to be able to get a tacoma w/440ft.lbs. So i agree with you, good show and good topic👍
@emungai
3 жыл бұрын
towing close to max right from dealer lot, what happened to break-in period?
@tree356
3 жыл бұрын
It’s a myth...
@michael-michaelmotorcycle
3 жыл бұрын
Haha I kinda thought the same thing. When I bought my F250 CCLB I was living in Denver and found it at dealer in Casper Wyoming. Dealers in Denver all had a 5k mark up plus they all had options I didn’t want/need. To order the same truck would have been 10k more than I actually paid. But either way I asked the service advisor at the dealer about hitting the highway right away in 4hi because it was blizzard conditions. He said it’s got a 48 gallon tank drive it to about half a tank and fill up just incase the gauge wasn’t set properly. Odd suggestion but he said not to worry about highway speeds, RPM, 4wd or any of the other break in scenarios. This was a new 2018 when the 19s were just hitting the lots. I’ve had no issues with 35k on the odometer at this point.
@DirtLifestyle
3 жыл бұрын
Lol yep. Loaded the trailer and the truck only had 29 miles. As some one who has rebuilt many engines, axles, transmissions and brake systems I wasn't worried. And I couldn't find any break in information from Jeep as it pertains to the diesel gladiator
@j.d.t1728
3 жыл бұрын
@@DirtLifestyle I've got a 2021 EcoDiesel Gladiator Sport S. There is no recommended break in period
@ianmburke
3 жыл бұрын
Fast forward 4 months Nate buys an Eco Diesel Gladiator, rips off bed, fabs a piggyback flatbed for the TJ 🤞🤞🤞
@DirtLifestyle
3 жыл бұрын
That would be fun lol
@hdrider2071
3 жыл бұрын
Appreciate you doing this . Good to have an honest look at the Gladiators towing performance.
@sacredshogun6325
3 жыл бұрын
Nate, I had read the article that you mentioned and immediately the same points that you mentioned jumped out at me. Obviously the trailer was not properly prepared for the haul, when it wonder like they say the weight distribution is the culprit. Improper weight distribution would affect even the perfect towing vehicle, a 3,500, a dually, heck a semi. As for power, 443lb-ft with diésel vs 260lb-ft immediately makes you go hmmm. Throughout the history of magazines, there have been some damaging articles that tried and even successful tainted the image and sales of many vehicles such as Corvair, Ford Pinto, Suzuki Samurai, Mitsubishi Montero just to name a few and at the end proved to be biased articles. I love my Gladiator Rubicon (gas) it does everything I need perfectly and if I need more I would get the vehicle to fulfill that need. GREAT VIDEO!!! Subscribing, Hell Yeah!!!
@DirtLifestyle
3 жыл бұрын
Thanks! Happy to have you aboard!
@jimmyvalhalla1939
3 жыл бұрын
You have to have the majority of the weight in front of the trailers axles!!! MT got it wrong, what THEY did was dangerous. I saw a guy load a bobcat on a trailer with the counter weight behind the trailers axle. He had no idea what was wrong when I spoke to him a few miles down the road. I helped him un load the bobcat and back it on the trailer and he was good to go.
@Alx2672
3 жыл бұрын
C&D bias against Chrysler products since the 80's.
@Buell1906
3 жыл бұрын
Well done! I question the validity of the Motor Trend article after watching your video. Makes we wonder why such a big difference in results.
@tkh251
3 жыл бұрын
Jeep fan boy vs. Unbiased professionals.
@drewt3210
3 жыл бұрын
The EcoDiesel is a very capable engine when coupled with the 8 speed trans. IDK about the Jeep package, but I've pulled 12,000 lbs on highway and through mountains with my 2014 Ram 1500 with no struggle. The stock springs, shocks/struts and tire package rode like a boat. I replaced all, and now it rides and tows surprisingly well. From my perspective, the EcoDiesel is flying under the radar of a lot of folks.
@boomerang379
2 жыл бұрын
It’s a pile of crap with all that emissions bullshit.
@drewt3210
2 жыл бұрын
@@boomerang379 Do you own one? I switched from a Silverado to the RAM ecodiesel. It runs circles around the Chevy, especially towing at the top of it's range, which is why I bought it. I drove a Hemi loaner early on. Boy, that thing was a gas guzzling pig and didn't tow near like the little diesel does. Honestly, after driving it for ~55k miles now, I'd never go back to a V8 in a 1/2 ton truck.
@chanoleyva4208
Жыл бұрын
The 3.0 eco Diesel engine is garbage. Not even American made 😂
@ryanmartinage
3 жыл бұрын
The emissions equipment is what's stopping me from getting one. Just a spaghetti plate of tubing in there. Ugh. Something just begging to go AWOL in the middle of the woods.
@davidcox2197
3 жыл бұрын
I think Toyota is about to revolutionize diesel trucks with its new Ducted Fuel injection, no need for diesel particulate filter nor DEF. I can wait. It could show soon on the 2022 Tundra.
@ryanmartinage
3 жыл бұрын
@@davidcox2197 that would be amazingly fantastic. Here’s to hoping!
@PolishRadom1944
3 жыл бұрын
Diesels today reming me of the late 80s Ford's and chevys that has a mile of vacumm lines under the hood trying to get to some magical made up emissions standards placed by the governemnt. Give it a few years and get things worked out and simplified. Way too much junk under the hood for the average person
@kregadeth5562
3 жыл бұрын
@@davidcox2197 that’s fantastic I will start looking into this
@mattmcdonough707
3 жыл бұрын
All great points ! And given from someone with legit towing experience. The guys at motortrend although experienced they are journalists. So if all they do is drive a vehicle once and then write a story , how accurate is it . A one time deal with not all the data given sounds to biased for me to take it seriously. Great video and review of the gladiator, can’t wait to see more.
@DirtLifestyle
3 жыл бұрын
Thank you brother 👊. I agree, more data is needed before you can say a truck like this is "scary" to tow with
@MrJamesLuz
3 жыл бұрын
@@DirtLifestyle I did notice at the end of the towing section they recommended getting a weight distribution hitch for towing with the Gladiator. I would ALWAYS recommend getting one for a travel trailer. As you stated, they can be difficult to load (weight balance) and they catch the wind like a sail.
@IdExplorMor
3 жыл бұрын
Great, real world test. Your points on the "article" do raise some questions as to why they got the results they did but no matter. I prefer this type of unbiased informative review. Huge thumbs-up!
@jefferyhuffman8282
3 жыл бұрын
Nate I would agree with you motor trend must not have had the trailer they was pulling set up right. Probably to much weight in the back of the trailer, who knows.
@eugenelamm7941
3 жыл бұрын
Although not a Jeep person ( LR Disco II) I found this to be very informative from a real user perspective. Having a total opposite experience with your drive, I feel that potential owners should seek out reviews such as yours before laying down almost $70k, especially for a niche vehicle.
@MountainRoots
3 жыл бұрын
This video just popped up & I found your channel. Subbing ya now & look forward to more videos! 🤙-Josh
@maccook1692
3 жыл бұрын
Towing in the standard gas rubicon gladiator is suprisingly well too!
@bobvedder2451
2 жыл бұрын
I have the gas powered automatic gladiator rubicon with a 2 inch mopar lift running 35 inch bfg ko2s in central Alaska. I am pleasantly surprised by the effectiveness of the tires in the snow. I just installed the warn 12000 winch and tested it by pulling large spruce logs out of the forest for firewood. This is a daily driver/working truck.
@metaldog7128
3 жыл бұрын
Nice 👍 real world Reviews are always good to see .
@carterlacey7968
3 жыл бұрын
That first hill you hit, my ranger with 33s and 4.10s struggles to get up it
@dash11111111
3 жыл бұрын
Cool video Nate, only thing I can think of is motor trend was pulling a "enclosed" style trailer/camper where as you were not. Personally when I'm pulling my enclosed behind my Duramax, it works a lot harder then when pulling a car hauler with a jeep on it. I think the wind drag really changes things. But there results do seem extreme. Keep up the Vids!
@ericnegrete2540
3 жыл бұрын
I like how you mentioned that it sounds similar to the 7.3 and then later in the video it has very close to the same hp and tq... 7.3 had 250 hp 500 tq and you would expect that a 7.3 would tow that liberty without breaking a sweat in a much heavier truck .... I wasn’t expecting the eco diesel to make that kind of power
@DirtLifestyle
3 жыл бұрын
I agree! very impressive numbers out of a 3.0 liter! Newer fuel injection and turbo technology has really changed the game
@Tblodgett77
3 жыл бұрын
I agree with your review, great video! I have a 2020 Jeep Gladiator (gas) and tow my 06’ LJ on a 10k trailer. I go to Walker Valley here in WA and it does great on backroads and freeway. I even run 37’s with 5:13 gears and a 3.5” lift. I’m sure the diesel is even better.
@timothybronk4082
5 ай бұрын
Your videography (the drone work, footage in the vehicles & in your shop) is excellent. Great video!
@jeepn0811
3 жыл бұрын
I love my Gladiator. Even with the 37’s and 4.10 gears I don’t feel under powered compared to my JKU with 4.88s. The main reason I didn’t get the diesel was cost. I really wanted it but they gave me such a deal on my 2020 Rubicon it didn’t make sense. The difference for a comparably optioned truck was around $11k. That being said I have 0 regrets getting the gladiator. It’s plenty big for my handyman business and if I need to Cary more equipment or materials I have 2 different sized cargo trailers. As usual another great video
@lesszabo5625
3 жыл бұрын
This is why I enjoy your channel so much, your opinions are viable in many ways. I don't think Motor Trend did a good job on their review and it wasn't in Colorado, I believe it was in Eastern California. I also have a Gladiator, but not a diesel, I couldn't wait till they were offered because of the great deal I was offered to sell my Ford Raptor. The Gladiator does offroad really well and it is super in snow, I live in Colorado, and have had tons of fun with it and my jl. Thanks again for a great video!
@cdodge2996
3 жыл бұрын
I don't watch everything Nate posts and am definitely not interested in picking up a new Jeep truck. I still watched this video though, and as usual Nate was right. I have no idea how Motor Trend could get it so wrong... Just looking at the trailer they used scares me, what was anyone on this test thinking. If your tow rig is that sensitive on the road YOU (driver) did something wrong: improper loading, overloading, even trailer angle...
@ddesilva61
3 жыл бұрын
Nate - first towing experience with 5.7L Hemi Jeep Commander and 3,800lb dry camper 2 days ago...not bad. Fill water tank ~ 25 gallons water today and a few sprinkles in gray/black tanks...night and day difference in ‘feel’...and this in flat Florida. I run water tanker trucks for a living - no comparison to hauling a solid load. The difference with camper today was quite a surprise...just saying. Gladiator has been in back of my head given the Hemi 8mpg towing...FML. Then parked at camp site now seeing your video...
@bobw9297
3 жыл бұрын
sounds like they don't know how to set up a trailer for towing . I have a 2019 single axle ultra light travel trailer and if you try to go over 50 mph with empty tanks, hang on ...
@robgoffroad
3 жыл бұрын
Moto Rooter is full of crap. The entire problem is the trailer and the lack of a proper hitch. Anything that big should have had a weight distribution/anti-sway hitch. Honestly, that Airstream is way too big for that size of a truck. Go stick that trailer behind (a) a Colorado and (b) a new Ranger and let's see if they do any better. I seriously doubt it.
@DrewEdwardBacklas
3 жыл бұрын
Those power numbers are on par with my stock 01 duramax....
@donaldwatson6342
3 жыл бұрын
I think all vehicle manufacturers have gotten greedy with adding all the luxury goodies and charging exorbitant amounts for them. Lets get back to simplicity and true utilitarian vehicles that we can add our own choice of accessories, instead of removing what the factory put on and we have to upgrade.
@lindeleasley
3 жыл бұрын
I would want to see what the interior of the trailer had in it. I smell a rat.
@BreckoniousMaximus
3 жыл бұрын
Probably full of all the Cash Chevy just gave them!
@dward489
3 жыл бұрын
My wife loves her 2020 Wrangler Unlimited EcoDiesel. Thinking about a Gladiator for myself... Keeping my F250 for the towing duties though
@lazylizard6532
3 жыл бұрын
The reference to advertised tongue weight in the article was a dead giveaway that the results weren’t worth printing. Now I’m wondering if that model Airstream has a reputation for instability with that large frontal area and mid mount axles.
@DirtLifestyle
3 жыл бұрын
I don't feel like I have a enough clout to critique the air stream design team but having the axles mounted in the center is a problem with a standard hitch setup. I imagine this is only an issue for folks with out a load hitch and I would be willing to bet the axles were placed there specifically for light duty trucks. In that situation I bet air stream recommends the use of a load hitch. If this is the case then the blame falls on motor trend. 👍
@lazylizard6532
3 жыл бұрын
@@DirtLifestyle quick search and it looks like Airstream is up front and honest about needing a big truck for big trailers. Found an article about towing an Airstream with a diesel F150 and realllly checking weights and capacities for anyone new to towing.
@xerointell
3 жыл бұрын
@@DirtLifestyle It probably has a light tongue weight so that you can safely tow it with your average class 3 receiver hitch behind your average middle class crossover.
@johnpeake-livingretired
3 жыл бұрын
mate Sydney Australia, picked up the gladiator and love it saw your write upon it, don't have a lot to tow yet but will in the near 2021, keep up the good work, enjoying life as a retired ??? yet to work out what I'm doing retired haha but enjoy life !
@robertmills794
3 жыл бұрын
Nate. I've not been able to drive the Gladiator Diesel but I can say the JLU Diesel is spot on the way a jeep should have been from the factory, all along. My $.02 Great vid, keep up the great work;
@ALL_OFF-ROAD
10 ай бұрын
Hey Nate, I am looking to trade my 3.6 JT for an ecodiesel, would be awesome to see a video of an update, review and impressions about "your wife's gladiator" and maybe the pros and con's of owning a diesel vs a gasser
@BBossman1
3 жыл бұрын
I think a lot of folks misunderstand the Gladiator, its less of a P/U "truck" and more of a Jeep with the utility of a P/U bed. Sure they upgraded the frame and rear suspension to give it increased capacities/capabilities, but I think it better serves those wanting a JLU with more cargo space.
@slateslavens
3 жыл бұрын
This. I have a vintage 1948 Willys CJ2A that was stretched 24" at the dealership when it was new. The extended wheelbase is the _only_ way to pack four people out for a week of camping without needing a second vehicle or a trailer.
@kidgokuxl
3 жыл бұрын
Diesel engines are great, wish I had one in my TJ, seriously. I'm at a crossroad with my 4.0. Really thinking hard about an engine swap. Don't know what I want. Now about the Gladiator. Not to crazy about it. It's a little pickup, they're not trucks. Main reason I got rid of my Ranger pickup and bought a full size truck (I used to be truck driver). I can't afford a half dozen vehicles around my house. I have what I can afford. Plus a stock 60k+ vehicle no matter what it is, I can't afford to throw a bucket of cash after a major purchase. To make it off road worthy. Now I might be thinking differently 🤔 if I was rich... Even Brad at Trail Recon sold his JT for a full size Dodge pickup just recently. Gladiator's are too small for a pickup and they are not as capable as a Wrangler off road. As always thanks for the video Nate!
@blkdavid
3 жыл бұрын
it would be interesting to see who was actually driving ,because I wonder who what they were comparing it to if it's a full size truck ?because that doesn't make sense
@GP9railfan
2 жыл бұрын
Motor trend is definitely waaaay off. My gladiator tows 6000+ Lb loaded tandem axle boat trailers no problem!
@boonedrummond5171
3 жыл бұрын
I really enjoy your fabrication videos, but this was a nice break to hear your thoughts and you've got a good eye for pictures/videos.
@DirtLifestyle
3 жыл бұрын
Thank you! I enjoyed making it 👍
@porschetech72901
3 жыл бұрын
unstable trailer due to not using the sway bars they admitted not using .... ummmmm the entire description of the ressons to need it is EXACTLY thier experience
@josh_rit8045
3 жыл бұрын
Yes let's see more of these types of videos!
@Dyrdeksk8r
3 жыл бұрын
Won't get the same kind of mileage with a Tacoma? I'm not sure I understand this. Are we questioning Toyota reliability versus Chrysler reliability?
@DirtLifestyle
3 жыл бұрын
The 2021 Tacoma is rated at 23 mpg hwy. The diesel gladiator is rated at 28 and has way more power. I didn't talk about reliability anywhere in this video 👍
@Dyrdeksk8r
3 жыл бұрын
@@DirtLifestyle ohh, fuel mileage. I misunderstood it as a reliability thing
@jimlayhey1965
3 жыл бұрын
that trailer is way taller and wider wind kills it
@duncdunc76
3 жыл бұрын
@Jim Layey. Exactly what I was thinking. Couldnt believe that Dirt Lifestyle didnt think to mention that difference. Anyone who tows different kinds of trailers especially flat beds compared to enclosed cargo style trailers knows there is a significant difference in towing capability and characteristics.
@bigmrfnB
3 жыл бұрын
idk man I hear some nightmares with those Italian diesels engines, that specific engine has had a terrible history in Europe for years already.
@mikehoffman3690
3 жыл бұрын
Great recap on the Eco Diesel. Helps to know you can back your thoughts up with real world use.
@1stuart1
3 жыл бұрын
You have it kind of backward regarding high elevation. Turbocharged, and even supercharged vehicles do MUCH better at altitude than NA motors. Forced induction helps fill the gap of the power most due to altitude. There is NO WAY that the NA Jeep would have towed better at altitude unless it was already much more powerful.
@DirtLifestyle
3 жыл бұрын
Barometric pressure decreases as altitude increases. This lower pressure makes air less dense. Because It''s less dense you need a higher quantity of air to equal the same amount of pressure post turbo. This pushes the turbo to compensate and is a condition and is actually measurable in turbo speed. The rpm of the turbo is considerably higher at altitude pushing the turbo outside of its efficiency zone. Even if the turbo is rated at 2 bar this will be harder to achieve as the barometric pressure decreases from altitude resulting in 1.5 bar if you get high enough.
@1stuart1
3 жыл бұрын
@@DirtLifestyle i know, but that the turbo even has that option makes it perform better at altitude. An N/A motor can't change the amount of air it gets and is a dog compared to a turbo motor. An N/A car will regularly run the quarter mile a full second slower at Bandimere comiste to a track at sea level. A forced induction car will also run slower up here, but not nearly as much. I want tiny to nitpick, I just assumed you were being nicer to Motor Trend than you had to be. Good job pointing out that center axle on that trailer as well.
@KK-cw6xe
3 жыл бұрын
Still debating on the gas or diesel and I think I’ve made up my mind after this video. Thx for the review.
@chuckw6099
3 жыл бұрын
The diesel is a $4500 option. Seems steep but a turbo for the gas engine is more expensive and thirsty. I kinda wished I waited for the diesel but the gas version still does a great job with 35's on my Rubicon. The diesel is impressive with the stock 3.73 gears on the Rubicon!
@smarterthanyou2674
3 жыл бұрын
@@chuckw6099 it’s $3800 on the gladiators and the dealer I ordered mine from gave me 15% off retail so more like $3200
@SkooledINC
3 жыл бұрын
I dont think you can get a Tacoma to 60k, can you? A top of the line TRD pro is 45, which is where the Rubicon gladiator starts. Without a hard top or diesel....
@jwilson2899
3 жыл бұрын
A Tacoma TRD Pro is closer to $48k now. Plus the Gladiator gives you a front locker and 4:1 transfer case. I’ve owned both, and prefer my Gladiator hands down. The engine and trans combo is light years ahead of the Tacoma setup.
@SkooledINC
3 жыл бұрын
@@jwilson2899 yeah, won't argue with ya about the engine and trans combo. good stuff
@DirtLifestyle
3 жыл бұрын
You are right! I just built one on their website and I was only at 45k. It was strange though that many options weren't available on toyotas web site. I suspect they are more expensive at the dealer when you add everything. Side note, I did check out the land cruiser while I was on there. Starting at 85,415 usd... 🤦♂️
@haydenfox5432
3 жыл бұрын
Mines not an eco diesel but it pulls my boat and trailer just fine and it wheels pretty good you definitely feel the length but you get used to it pretty quick
@petefaith3830
3 жыл бұрын
Don't forget the Rubicon has 4.10 gear ratio in the diff's, The Gladiator sport has probably 3.54 gears not the best for towing on anything but flat land.
@windex23
3 жыл бұрын
Came here to post this. Gears do a huge difference in keeping higher speeds on the freeway!
@DirtLifestyle
3 жыл бұрын
All diesel gladiators are 3.73. Rubicon and sport 👍
@j.d.t1728
3 жыл бұрын
All EcoDiesel trims (Sport, Sport S Willys, Overland, Rubicon, High Altitude) have 3:73 gearing. The EcoDiesel is not available in the Mojave trim
@shekharmoona544
3 жыл бұрын
Many individual reviewers have been calling out Motor Trend and mainstream media. They literally killed the Chrysler 200. If you talk to owners of the V6 Pentastar many of the owners a very happy with this iteration versus the 4 cylinder 200.
@matty86suk
3 жыл бұрын
Like with every new Jeep, in 10 years I’ll buy one used!
@dbag222
3 жыл бұрын
The writers at motor trend have never towed with a Chevy that has bad brakes or tie rods and it shows
@tvjacfarmingtrucking1774
3 жыл бұрын
Trailer axles are suppose to be at 60% of length unless you use anti-sway or load leveling.
@jameshess9530
3 жыл бұрын
I can tell ya right now your are absolutely correct on the axle placement of a trailer effecting the stability of the tow vehicle. I pulled my in laws 30' bumper pull travel trailer with my crew cab long bed f350. It had its axles near the center and man was it a nightmare to pull even with my 1 ton truck. Plenty of experience towing and it just didn't have enough tongue weight to keep the wind or vehicle wash from effecting it(mainly semis when they passed in the same direction). Hated it, never have i had a trailer before or since give me such a fight.
@daveyoutube2646
3 жыл бұрын
At 10:05 you say your not saying motor trend is wrong or anything ? lol its in name of your video
@daveyoutube2646
3 жыл бұрын
Just say it. They are wrong.
@DirtLifestyle
3 жыл бұрын
Lol true.
@chuckw6099
3 жыл бұрын
The M/T writer would get butt hurt for not knowing how to tow and file a lawsuit for his/her/cis whatever article. Can't be too careful around snowflakes. Lol.
@scarhart53
3 жыл бұрын
Selling a ton of them? All I've heard is that they are just sitting on dealer lots.
@Shredxcam22
3 жыл бұрын
It's to big to be a jeep, too small to be a truck. I've seen a ton around the house as just regular grocery getters. Worry some about the temps
@jwilson2899
3 жыл бұрын
Too small to be a truck is subjective. For everything I’ve needed to haul (which is more than groceries) it has been plenty of truck.
@Shredxcam22
3 жыл бұрын
@@jwilson2899 ok for my family it's way to small. I haul a lot of heavy weight on my dually flatbed. And for an offroad rig it's too big for me.
@jwilson2899
3 жыл бұрын
@@Shredxcam22 yeah, there’s no comparing it to a dually flatbed. If you need that kind of hauling, than a Gladiator won’t cut it. If you’re any to run super tight trails, than a Wrangler is a better choice. The stuff I do it works great for.
@elijahcavin2408
3 жыл бұрын
I have a couple of early 90s diesel and gas trucks. Can't imagine a brand new vehicle would tow worse.
@051biohaz
3 жыл бұрын
I really like it, but they are so overpriced i don’t think they are worth it. Just like every other new car i guess. Thanks for the review
@DirtLifestyle
3 жыл бұрын
That's the thing. They aren't overpriced in today's market! The prices of all new vehicles are ridiculously high. Hyundai makes cars that cost 60k now lol
@IbericaOverland
3 жыл бұрын
It’s like testing a camera with a bad lens and blame the sensor, not very smart
@OverlandPNW
3 жыл бұрын
One of the best reviews I've seen !
@DirtLifestyle
3 жыл бұрын
Thank you!
@mikhailpankin563
2 жыл бұрын
Nice truck!About those people, who did the towing test with an RV, we have a good Russian saying: “It is all depends on a gasket between the steering wheel and a seat”.It means you have to be enough smart to do everything the right way and be safe! Thank you for sharing your experience with us, people who’s interested in this vehicle.
@ryanhubble9157
3 жыл бұрын
Should have named them scrambler
@c4onmylip
3 жыл бұрын
They should drop a 2 door and call it the scrambler lol.
@ryanhubble9157
3 жыл бұрын
@@c4onmylip ive had true gladiator trucks my last one was a 65 and the gladiator name on a 4 door wrangler hurts my soul
@michael-michaelmotorcycle
3 жыл бұрын
As a scrambler owner for over 22 years now. No, no they shouldn’t. The ‘LJ’ was the only thing so far that actually resembled a scrambler and they dropped the ball on that one by discontinuing it almost immediately.
@michael-michaelmotorcycle
3 жыл бұрын
@@ryanhubble9157 agreed 100% as a scrambler owner this suggestion hurts my soul also.
@ryanhubble9157
3 жыл бұрын
@@michael-michaelmotorcycle looks like nobody wants the fucking thing lmao
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