Okay it’s totally on Jade and Jordan that they are not on this world team. Both gymnast needed to be further along in their training to be good options.
@kdaze10
8 ай бұрын
100% agree! Everyone wants to complain that Jordan didn't make it....but honestly, she hadn't put the numbers in, and needed more time. Also, she has a tendency to be consistent and great, then go to worlds (or the olympics) and just be okay. It just seems like on the world stage, she doesn't do as well. Also, Shilese and Jordan have similar strengths, but Shilese is a step ahead. I don't know, I though the selection was pretty accurate. Give Josc a chance....she is consistent as heck, she could be a huge asset....we won't know for a few more days.
@quietadah
8 ай бұрын
100%. I think Jordan was really close but Jade was in no way ready on anything but vault. And frankly, she looked like she knew it, too. There was no confidence in her routines.
@dansp7042
8 ай бұрын
Jade and Jordan were both coming off long NCAA seasons and definitely not in their best form. Hopefully they’ll be healthy and ready to peak during Olympic trials.
@fredrika27
8 ай бұрын
@@aliciamcdonald7105 Often gymnasts are sent to Worlds because they know they will never be Olympians. I've seen this a lot especially in the 80s, 90s, and early 00s! They do this so they can at lest get a NCAA scholarship.
@fredrika27
8 ай бұрын
@@aliciamcdonald7105 I understand what you're saying. However, I have noticed over the years many of the gymnasts who went to Worlds never went to the Olympics. It has appeared that Worlds is their Olympics. These gymnasts use their appearance at Worlds to obtain a scholarship at a good university. Some even go to Ivy Leagues, making The Olympics not as important as they once were!
@DJcyberslash
8 ай бұрын
Jade keeps getting crushed this quad. I think that's why they didn't choose her.
@dansp7042
8 ай бұрын
Her floor routine got downgraded from an Olympic gold medal to mid-13s with the new code.
@tambam6744
8 ай бұрын
@@dansp7042Yet she scored 14+ at 2022 Worlds. Stop with the bs.
@thiagomelo7425
8 ай бұрын
@@tambam6744right? usa judges are always hard on her, i am pretty sure that in a international competition she would easily scored 14.0
@patwillis1893
8 ай бұрын
You are correct. Talent is talent . When building a team you want skill and talent. You want that talent that can perform under extreme pressure. Competing in worlds and the Olympics you need to bring it. You also need experience with that talent and skill.
@marladelgado21
8 ай бұрын
The reason you don’t have so many different individuals winning medals is the rule that countries can only have 2 women represented on each event final and individual all-around. Simone is THAT good that she consistently scored the highest from team USA for 3/4 events and all-around. So you don’t have more spots for others to even compete in the event finals or all around from 2016-2021.
@gymlandia4467
8 ай бұрын
That didn’t stop Morgan, Suni, and Jade tho. There are hella gymnast that can snag a silver & bronze. In 2013-2016 with Simone many gymnasts were still medaling despite her dominance.
@marladelgado21
8 ай бұрын
All I’m saying is once Simone hit her prime (2016-2021), she virtually took a spot on every event final and all-around so cut chances for other USA gymnasts to medal in half. That is not the coaches decision, that is Simone’s raw talent that earned her those spots. Therefore, far less chances to have as many medalists pre-2013.
@gymlandia4467
8 ай бұрын
@@marladelgado21 the other gymnasts didn’t even qualify tho. Excluding Kara eaker the other’s didn’t even qualify so I do agree that she takes away opportunities. Yet there are hella medal potential gymnasts that aren’t taken into consideration when picking teams. Which is why USA medaled so much prior to 2017. As we saw last year 3 gymnast’s could’ve been 4 medaled in one championship. Simone was also at her best in Rio and 4/5 medaled and gabby QF she just made a mistake on UB in the EF.
@amethyst.panther
8 ай бұрын
For real. Did y’all forget when Gabby almost beat her? HELLO? 😭@@gymlandia4467
@jojox9791
8 ай бұрын
2013+
@MedzMoves
8 ай бұрын
Interesting viewpoint but I don’t know I think Jocelyn has a lot of potential and this is her chance to get that international competition experience before the Olympic year. Also did you see her training floor yesterday? She could have a chance for a medal and she has a strong vault. As for Leanne that makes sense because she is a strong all rounder making her great for the team final. At the end of the day Jordan and Jade weren’t quite ready yet in terms of training and maybe they couldn’t take the risk. As for Suni it’s more of a unique and sad situation. Praying she can try to figure things out in terms of her condition for next year 🙏🏽
@micahmeredith-mr.oracle
8 ай бұрын
Is Jocelyn line in a consistent slight bend, or is it just me. Her legs seem naturally bent on every skill and international judges Hate that...they slammed makayla skinner for it.
@gymlandia4467
8 ай бұрын
Potential doesn’t win medals and that’s the point of the video.
@erinm9445
8 ай бұрын
@@micahmeredith-mr.oracle Might be true. And it really sucks that judges slam gymnasts for the shape of their actual bodies.
@micahmeredith-mr.oracle
8 ай бұрын
Yup. It's a doggy dog sport. But it's not just gymnastics, pretty much every artistic sport women are judged on body line.
@amethyst.panther
8 ай бұрын
True, but if the USA gymnastics team still thinks that everyone should be an all Arounder and not a 1/2 event specialist on the team (their words not mine), I don’t think Joscelyn would fit that list. Yeah her floor and Vault are great, but that’s pretty much it.
@erinm9445
8 ай бұрын
Your argument seems to be thay it doesnt matter how gymnasts are competing RIGHT NOW, we ahould make a team based on how people have done at past wolrds competions only. That makes NO SENSE And it's Marta logic. It was Marta who would leave people that were peaking jusy at the right time off teams, in favor of her personal favorites.
@gymlandia4467
8 ай бұрын
And those personal faves won medals and gave USA alot more media attention. It is crazy that USA is only winning half as much medals yet continue ignoring the bullshit.
@michaelhoward5786
8 ай бұрын
@@gymlandia4467have any proof for those baseless claims of yours wench?
@michaelhoward5786
8 ай бұрын
@gymlandia4467 US won 23 medals in 2013-2015 (Marta karyoli era) and 21 between 2017-2019). 2016 olympics we won 9 medals and 2021 olympics we won 6. 2021 championships we won 3 but we were sending our b squad. The lowest year other than that was 2017(5 medals), the year simone took off. Other than that all the other world championships years we have won at least 7 medals, including 2022. Not sure where you get half as many medals from, but maybe instead of running your mouth you could run yourself over to your local community College to take some remedial math courses.❤
@drew-ih7bx
8 ай бұрын
I get it but the problem with this year is the only potential EF were Zoe Miller and Kaliyah Lincoln. Being realistic, though, with the competitive bars this year, I don’t even think Zoe would make finals. Kaliya could’ve made floor maybe but we have no idea how she will score internationally and, unfortunately for her, other girls on the team can score comparably to her so this year it made sense they have no « specialists » other than the Jade/Joscelyn spot
@gymlandia4467
8 ай бұрын
Jade and Jordan definitely had better chances at medaling on FX. Jade also had a much better chance at medaling on VT compared to Jocelyn.
@gymlandia4467
8 ай бұрын
@@Bxyxoxshe won bronze last year with her worse routine 😬. And she damn sure would’ve won bronze on VT. Regardless thousands of people would’ve tuned in to watch her fail if she didn’t. Mainstream ain’t making no posts about Jocelyn
@gymlandia4467
8 ай бұрын
@@Bxyxox her artistry definitely improved as well as tumbling form. And her VT form is still substantially ahead of Jocelyn. Jocelyn doesn’t seem likely to medal on VT looking at Jessica & yeo. Jade has how many world and Olympic medals on FX and VT.
@Theoriginalprincess
8 ай бұрын
@@Bxyxoxshe did not look good day 1 or 2 or selection camp for worlds
@erinm9445
8 ай бұрын
@@gymlandia4467You've gotta prove yourself in the runup to worlds. You don't get onto the world's team based on last year's results or potential. It's the same reason Leanne will compete AA on quals instead of Skye, even though Skye's theoretical AA ceiling is better based on last year's floor results at worlds. I loooooove Jordan and Jade. They are my two favorite gymnasts, and i am heartbroken that they weren't ready for worlds. But they weren't. Ready. They just weren't. They didn't "make mistakes", they haven't had a single good elite meet this year. I think they'll be amazing once they are back in full training shape, but that time is not now. As for Josc, she doesn't have my fave gymnastics and I've been resistant to her rise. But dang, that girl earned her spot. She has done a ton of international meets this year, and scored spectacularly on floor. If she hits in qualifying and floor finals the way she did in podium this week, she will have a bronze medal on floor.
@adexatnight
8 ай бұрын
Logic? Joscelyn has the highest international scores this year. Jade was not in her Olympic or Worlds shape. Jordan wasn’t either. This isn’t logic, this is bias and just… Not understanding how things work or how judging works. Leanne out scored Jordan. Jordan will be the team captain at Pan Ams.
@gymlandia4467
8 ай бұрын
Jade is much better than Jocelyn on VT. Look at they Cheng. And I also mentioned media attention. So you could’ve kept your comments to yourself.
@adexatnight
8 ай бұрын
@@gymlandia4467 she’s not, though. You could’ve kept this video to yourself, but here we are so….
@gymlandia4467
8 ай бұрын
@@adexatnight yet you watched it thanks for that fan behavior. and look at there Cheng’s & DTY’s.
@adexatnight
8 ай бұрын
@@gymlandia4467 😘😘😘
@michaelhoward5786
8 ай бұрын
@@gymlandia4467media attention doesn't win medals, smarty. You're making a very strong argument against people with your skin tone being allowed to vote.
@mariahazcueta3621
8 ай бұрын
I think Leanne was a good choice. I totally agree on Jocelyn. She needed to go to PanAms and prove herself.
@erinm9445
8 ай бұрын
She already did. Earlier this year. She has more international experience this year than anyone else in the USA, and her scores were stellar.
@mariahazcueta3621
8 ай бұрын
@@erinm9445 in a team final?
@erinm9445
8 ай бұрын
@@mariahazcueta3621 Not that it should matter for her chance to be on the world team, but yes. At spring PanAms. Josc competed three events in the team final and team USA won. She contributed two high 13s and a 14-plus, and this was before she had her cheng.
@mariahazcueta3621
8 ай бұрын
@@erinm9445 when it comes to 3 up 3 count that matters. I was unaware that she went to PanAms and had good scores. I see someone with talent, it’s not a knock on her talent, and I also see someone that needs to refine her form. When she does this, her scores will be even better. I guess that complicates who I might have selected
@erinm9445
8 ай бұрын
@@mariahazcueta3621 The reason I say it shouldn't matter for making the world's team is that worlds (or Olympics) and PanAms are the only opportunities US gymnasts have to get that team experience, and it's gotta happen somewhere/sometime. Ideally gymnasts should get team experience at PanAms first, but sometimes their first team experience is going to be Worlds or Olympics, like it was for Jordan I believe. It's true Josc needs to improve her form. Her difficulty is so high though, that she's still highly competitive even with form errors, sort of like Jade with her artistry challenges. And when she hits Josc has stellar landings.
@christenawalker2944
8 ай бұрын
I don't think you have been following Jade but she is over elite. She is enjoying being a big deal in college and if she looses on floor and vault her Rep is gone! In addition a lot of countries are finally upping their game. Joselyn must get international experience for the Olympics next year. Russia will be there even if they compete as independent. To bad more of our athletes can't compete for other countries there is not enough spaces for ALL our wonderful gymnast and it would make gymnastics far more interesting and a lot of these girls come from different ethnic backgrounds.
@shonnyblue4984
8 ай бұрын
Jade is performing in the Swiss gymnastics games. She said herself she wasn't really prepared for the world trials. She only performed on 2 apparatuses nd fell on one.
@aguti7920
8 ай бұрын
you video makes no sence, saying certain gymnasts draw more attention is like ignoring the future compeletley, how are new popular gymnasts supposed to rise, if they never get the chance. Jade and Jordan were not ready this year and if younger more unkown gymnasts actually do better they deserve a chance to prove themself in the pre olympic year
@aguti7920
8 ай бұрын
nor Jordan nor Jade would have a real or higher chance to medal than Joscelyn, not if a hit perfromance from Jade gets less than a 14 on floor, while Joscelyn always outscores her on vault, while Jordan has not been able to do one floor routine which is medal worthy this year, they have the potential, but that dosen't win you the medals and this year they just didn't have the gymnastics
@gymlandia4467
8 ай бұрын
They’re not popular there’s no mainstream articles about them no one knows them outside of gymnastics. Marta didn’t give them chances so why tf should someone else. I explained everything and said I feel bad for them. Everything made perfect sense. You don’t go straight from the minors to the big leagues that’s the sad truth of this world.
@gymlandia4467
8 ай бұрын
Jocelyn outscoring Jade on her cheng and DTY is ludicrous yet thanks for the fan behavior.
@jcottle44
8 ай бұрын
Actually, going from the minors to the big league is exactly how the world was introduced to Simone Biles. And you seem to keep reverting back to the notion that certain gymnast aren't "popular" as if that is a reason they should have been chosen for the World Team. That simply makes no sense. It also makes no sense to only take Jade because of her VT, since that's one event, and Jocelyn can step into other events and score better that Jade would have, if needed. That's what they use to choose who is going to compete on the world stage, not followers on social media.@@gymlandia4467
@gymlandia4467
8 ай бұрын
Jade would definitely do FX. 2013 is the first year of the quad lmao and she was the national champ wtf. She wasn’t competing against a AA champ for a spot. Yet thanks for the fan behavior. Where can Jocelyn help besides VT & FX. Jade outscores her substantially on UB & even matches her on BB with less difficulty so huh.
@kdaze10
8 ай бұрын
Problem with Skye is that she seems to have issues with "hitting" when it really counts...like worlds. And Josc...we'll see how she does at worlds, then your opinion may have more merit. However, until we see how things play out this week it's up in the air. Jade didn't seem like she was quite there yet. I'm a huge Jade fan....but I think Josc and Jade at this point in the game are about the same. Closer to olympics, we'll see if Jade has stepped up. Josc has a lot of potential. The thing ppl don't like about her, that they are afraid to say, is her body shape. However, she's strong as heck, and can do some crazy tumbling and vaulting...and her beam is pretty great too. Everyone is entitled to their opinion, but it doesn't necessarily mean their opinion is right. I look forward to seeing how everything turns out this week! :)
@gymlandia4467
8 ай бұрын
Jocelyn can’t touch Jade on VT. Jade would’ve definitely scored a lot more on VT bad would’ve been favored with bronze. Riley and Grace were hella inconsistent as well.
@shonnyblue4984
8 ай бұрын
They picked the right team. The girls tht trained day in nd day out for this. Jade nd jordan said they needed more training nd they both are oerforming in other competitions for usa. They will be ready for olympic truals but uf not other girls will step up.
@antoinenguyen4262
8 ай бұрын
It is spelled "controversial" and not contreversial. I believe they want to go back to all arounder to be consistent. It is all about who can peak at the right moment. You can't really say picking Joselyn over Jade is wrong because they picked Laurie Hernandez over experience Maggie Nichols during 2016 Olympics. They are changing USA gymnastics cause of the culture. They just need consistent athletes who can deliver under pressure.
@gymlandia4467
8 ай бұрын
Maggie had a silver on FX 😩 when aly was better than her that’s not the same as a Olympic champ and world champ. Yet continue gaslighting
@antoinenguyen4262
8 ай бұрын
Actually, Maggie won a bronze on FX at 2015 WAG championship. You should do your research before commenting or posting. Chelsie and Alicia been there before and have experience. One thing I do agree with you is Tom Forester was a bad choice to lead the US women's team.
@gymlandia4467
8 ай бұрын
@@antoinenguyen4262 my point is she still medaled 🤣. So regardless of the color she brought home something yet continue gaslighting. I’m busy asf, in the military, and don’t even live in the USA I’m more accurate than most these MF’s on the gymternet. So get off me
@jojox9791
8 ай бұрын
Maggie was recovering from a torn ACL so not really a good comparison
@antoinenguyen4262
8 ай бұрын
@@jojox9791It was actually a meniscus tear. If it was ACL, she wouldn't have recover that quick. This youtuber was talking smacks and can't back it up. The team is doing well so far and putting up good numbers besides Skye's flop on the beam. Jocelyn deserves a chance just like any upcoming juniors to seniors.
@sjm10477
8 ай бұрын
Who is this guy?!?!?!😂
@DJcyberslash
8 ай бұрын
I think they didn't choose Jordan because she fell on floor at the qualifications
@gymlandia4467
8 ай бұрын
She won silver on FX last year
@langat77
8 ай бұрын
That’s last year though. And Jordan hasn’t upgraded her vaults, which leaves the floor and if she falls there, we’ll what value does she have over a much younger gymnast with higher start values.
@lukeee8927
8 ай бұрын
finally someone agrees with me for putting jade and jo on the worlds team like i do love leanne but jade and jo are really strong floor and vault workers and jo is decent on bars and beam aswell so it clearly makes sense that they should of been on the worlds team
@lesliematteis8010
8 ай бұрын
Did you see the last competition? Jocelyn did much better than Jade!
@gymlandia4467
8 ай бұрын
One comp doesn’t matter compared to a career which the video literally goes in depth about.
@gymlandia4467
9 ай бұрын
Edit Maggie Nicholas also medal on FX in 2015 which adds more to my point!!
@SandyKH
6 күн бұрын
I agree with some of what you said, but Liane Wong fell at the 2023 team final when they replaced Sky with her. Granted, Liane came in beautifully, when Jos was injured... and vaulted well, but then fell on beam. I will call that adrenaline rush, but she has fallen internationally. Though, she is more consistent than most.
@jacob_1638
8 ай бұрын
I think this man is was stoned. His logic makes now sense😅😂
@micahmeredith-mr.oracle
8 ай бұрын
Yet you can't spell "no" , the easiest word in the English vocabulary.
@jacob_1638
8 ай бұрын
@@micahmeredith-mr.oracle lol it was auto correct
@micahmeredith-mr.oracle
8 ай бұрын
Controversial indeed.
@leelab8307
8 ай бұрын
I personally dont vare if they're black/white/asian are they competitipn ready?!
@roachums123
8 ай бұрын
Grace did not go to 2 Olympics.
@gymlandia4467
8 ай бұрын
2 world championships 😬. Yet point out bs
@speedofpee
8 ай бұрын
I just think no matter what the opinions are, not enough people go into a rageful shit-talk session about gymnastics. They wanna do it for all the other sports but gymnastics fans wanna be PC and cute and everyone be nice. I mean sure but every now and then, this sport deserves the same level of passion. I think if i had fans drunkenly punching each other out in the parking lot after my gymnastics meets, I'd be like awww they care.
@gymlandia4467
8 ай бұрын
And that’s facts and folks be like dat yet be nice nasty. You minds well talk your shit. Yet they’ll drag gabby like that tho.
@jacobbaker4545
8 ай бұрын
Bc these are mainly minors. And talking shit does nothing
@speedofpee
8 ай бұрын
@@jacobbaker4545 okay then what does shit talking do for any sport?
@gymlandia4467
8 ай бұрын
And you ate 🖤
@cassenav
Ай бұрын
I will say, I'm not really sure how USAG could have chosen the Tokyo team differently. It did put all of the pressure on Simone, but I don't think they could have justified nullifying Jade's spot or putting an AAer like Leanne or Grace in the individual spot that Skinner took. Realistically, it would have been good to put a strong UB athlete in that spot, but literally no one with medal potential could hit in the USA aside from Suni. Now I do think it was insanely stupid to give the spot to Skinner, knowing full well that she would be 2pced out of any final, but Simone's unfortunate withdrawal made that decision make some sense. And again, I couldn't really think of any gymnast who had EF potential.
@cassenav
Ай бұрын
Rio was really the best team because EVERYONE on team USA made or at least qualified for an event final. I hope USAG brings that energy to Paris and takes a winning team!
@gymlandia4467
Ай бұрын
They should’ve taken Leanne instead of Grace & Riley instead of skinner a desperate situation yet it at least made sense.
@tumbling4568
8 ай бұрын
Maggie Nichols also won an individual medal between 2013 and 2016
@gymlandia4467
8 ай бұрын
I mentioned that In my comment section
@francis5279
8 ай бұрын
A combination of hilarious and serious views.
@kathy7107
8 ай бұрын
I wish this was televised. I would love to watch.
@yeewei-tn2wf
8 ай бұрын
Leanne Wong is a better fit on the team. They don’t need another strong Floor and Vault gymnast. Leanne Wong is more consistent on bars and has a better beam exercise. But I do agree that jade should be there.
@gymlandia4467
8 ай бұрын
I did say I understand Leanne. Also Leanne won’t be used on both of those events. Chiles is stronger on VT and FX and would be used in TF. While Leanne doesn’t have an event she’d be used on unless Jocelyn get hammered and she has the routine of her life on FX.
@erinm9445
8 ай бұрын
We don't know where Leanne will be used. She can be used to rest others for AA on any event. Her vault is as strong as Shilese and Skye's, so she could be used on vault just for herself and her consistency.
@gymlandia4467
8 ай бұрын
@@erinm9445 her vt is definitely not as strong as Shilese or Jordan. She’s not too 3 on any event
@yeewei-tn2wf
8 ай бұрын
@@gymlandia4467 she’s top 3 in AA. And Jordan chiles isn’t either. Leanne Wong doesn’t make any mistakes.
@gymlandia4467
8 ай бұрын
@@yeewei-tn2wf which is something I credited her with in my video as well. Stop acting like I didn’t say that she’s more consistent than Chiles. Yet Chiles does add more and has a much bigger fan base and a lot more media attention.
@likeisaidjenkins3689
8 ай бұрын
Team USA is leading the pack by at least 4 points. Not bad for a team that "has no chemistry."
@lyd2460
8 ай бұрын
👀 With the results out simone saved the team.
@jewelsnjoy
8 ай бұрын
@@lyd2460 AND Russia wasn't around to beat them again
@lyd2460
8 ай бұрын
@@jewelsnjoy I don't think they would beat usa. But silver maybe. Also the score was lower because of joceclyn injury.
@gymlandia4467
8 ай бұрын
They probably could’ve. If listy and gelya hit USA didn’t have the numbers with Simone to win. Luckily Vlada isn’t where she was in 21.
@joebloe901
8 ай бұрын
Them receipts eating Grace tf up!! Omg
@gymlandia4467
8 ай бұрын
Girl I had them for hella folks you just getting started 🤣. One thing abt me imma have my screenshots and recordings.
@justlina2769
8 ай бұрын
Jade's problem is she can't dance to save her soul. At her most stretched she can stand and do interesting poses- but she still has no clue how to artistically move her body. And it kills her in the new scoring environment. As to the "blackification" of the sport that has nothing to do with Marta other than her choosing Gabby Douglas in 2012. (Five minutes later, talented gymnasts of African descent were moving mountains in the NCAA.)
@micahmeredith-mr.oracle
8 ай бұрын
And her collegiate career didn't make it no better like it did for Jordan, Jade isn't even a good poser in my opinion because she doesn't sell it well.
@Theoriginalprincess
8 ай бұрын
Jade is a pain to watch 😭😭😭sorry
@gymlandia4467
8 ай бұрын
I never said it did. Yet gabby and Simone made gymnastics mainstream yet I’m not arguing with non-black people over black arguments. Gabby brought millions into the sport between 2012-2016 that definitely helped her.
@Theoriginalprincess
8 ай бұрын
@@gymlandia4467 I do agree that they brought more attention to the black community but USA gymnastics could care less about that. They would have been thrilled if the top gymnast was another Nastia. You see the amount of attention she still to this day receives. Black gymnasts typically get discriminated on for a number of reasons. It could even be just because of the natural build of their body. I am happy the face of gymnastics has changed and you see many more faces of color. I am now waiting for the black men to join in.
@justlina2769
8 ай бұрын
@@Theoriginalprincess Well, then you should check out the videos from the men's competition. Because there are two great ones in Fred Richards and Khoi (can't think of his last name at the moment. Both I believe compete in the NCAA for Stanford.)
@azuritefire5
8 ай бұрын
Because of the Larry nassar issue now they have to be so careful how they address the athlete
@shelleykay9089
8 ай бұрын
I agree with you. Jade should have gone. Even though they did team golf this year. They also did last year with Jade and Jordan .
@plp666
8 ай бұрын
I think this team is the strongest it’s been since 2016! Jordan competed really well at US Championships but didn’t quite have enough time to get her skills back. She was probably on the cusp of making this team though. Jade however did not look good. Leanne is much more than the new Grace, including 2 individual worlds medals. If Shilese wasnt peaking, Leanne would make the AA final and have a good chance to medal, same thing on floor. My team would have been Simone, Shilese, Leanne, Skye, and Jordan, Lincoln would have been the alternate. Next year is going to be even more competitive. 😮 thx for your video!
@gymlandia4467
8 ай бұрын
Lincoln has never been to a international comp so shes not scoring well on any apparatus excluding floor and never been judged internationally. I said Leanne had an argument in the video. Also my point was Jade had a much better VT potential medal which is true & that Chiles fit the team better than Leanne. It doesn’t matter if Jade didn’t look good because she looked good on VT and could’ve medaled there are she’s proven. Olympic and world champions don’t play by the same rules the harsh truth.
@Theoriginalprincess
8 ай бұрын
I like your team but no way Leanne is ever beating Shilese lol
@erinm9445
8 ай бұрын
@@gymlandia4467well apparently that's not the harsh truth, given that what you wanted didn't happen.
@gymlandia4467
8 ай бұрын
@@Bxyxox I’m playing by the same logic other sports do
@kdaze10
8 ай бұрын
Agree with all of this except for Jordan...I don't think she looked that great either. At lest compared to a year or two ago. Also, I don't think she has been consistent lately. I like the team how it is....but I also really like Lincoln....
@MzKaylcC
8 ай бұрын
As a Black Gym content creator, I love this.... AND yes your logic does make sense.... What your basically saying is that when the Nation Coach would PICK a team base on winning the most medal possible, we won more medals. What youre saying about just going top 5 in the AA is also true, last quad SImone won a lot of medals but the girls on those teams did not, ONce again I agree. I can understand why you feel like Jordan and Jade should have been on the team over Josc and Leanne. But Leanne is a big name in the sport and her and Jordan are very close TBH, and Leanne just beat her at trials and Nattys which is why im okay with Leanne. Now Jade v Josc, I get that your saying about Jade possible being the better vault (i dont think that much better) but Josc is WAY better than Jade on floor and beam tbh which is why i think Josc got the spot over jade, Now Kayla idk usag was bored and didnt have nothing better else to do. My theory is they offered it to Jade and she turned it down... Keep making videos
@gymlandia4467
8 ай бұрын
Josc is not way better than an Olympic champ on FX. Jade also won bronze with her worse routine last year. Leanne is big in gymnastics yet no one knows her outside of gymnastics. Chiles has mainstream articles posting about her and goes viral often asf especially on black media outlets. They’re not comparable media wise hence why mainstream articles posted about her and Jade not making it.
@gymlandia4467
8 ай бұрын
@@makaylalovesgymnastics jades artistry has improved a lot since Tokyo. She still would’ve won silver tho which is a medal. Jades tumbling form is far superior to Jocelyn’s.
@evelynhernandez763
8 ай бұрын
I'll tell the truth for everyone that seems not to understand, 1. Don't want too many Blacks on the team. 2. Don't outshine the whytes, It has-been their sports for many years. Simone got Screwed in Tokyo. Simone was Better than all these girls put together. If Jordan had Continue to train with Simone, She would have been just as good. Some one got in here head. I don't Trust Simone Coaches, When she's doing her Vaults, they're always in the way, pretending they are assisting, stay out the way, Other Coaches are not like that. The female Coach is a Snake, pay attention people, She was the one to convince Simone not to participate in Tokyo, So that Suni could represent America. After that the Coach was hanging On Simone like, (white on rice.) Story will be told one day.😮😮😮
@Hervinbalfour
8 ай бұрын
@@aliciamcdonald7105absolutely!
@girlSAVANT
8 ай бұрын
@@evelynhernandez763 You sound like a racist! Your name is Spanish. You should know better! Would you like it if someone said too many Latinas shouldn't be on the world team???? 😡😡😡
@whatever3259
8 ай бұрын
preach. i feel sorry for her but Josc got 2p'cd outta everything cept vault so
@drew-ih7bx
8 ай бұрын
I understand what you’re saying but Jordan Chiles over Leanne ?? Talk about scoring potential - Jordan would not be competitive to make ANY finals this year and might’ve not hit her sets when we needed them. I get your argument for Jade Carey… realistically her and Joscelyn are really only valuable to the team for their vaults that are pretty similar.
@gymlandia4467
8 ай бұрын
Jordan Chiles is better on FX than Leanne hence why she medaled last year. So Chiles had a great shot at medaling or at least QF to FX finals her DTY is better & she has a lot more media attention than Leanne. I did say I understand why Leanne could’ve been taken. Yet no excuse for Jocelyn or Kayla being the alternate.
@plp666
8 ай бұрын
@@gymlandia4467I’m the worlds biggest Leanne fan 😂 but I agree with you on Jordan and Lincoln. I thought Jordan would take the 5th spot over Joce. ❤ Joce is looking good at podium training though.
@gymlandia4467
8 ай бұрын
@@plp666 I never said Lincoln should be taken. Yet Jocelyn isn’t looking good enough for a VT and FX medal.
@Theoriginalprincess
8 ай бұрын
@@gymlandia4467idk…you must not have watched Jos on podium training. Her landings were spot on. I think she will snag a medal.
@mattj5391
8 ай бұрын
You clearly know absolutely nothing about gymnastics or about the judging. Did you look at Jade’s scores?
@gymlandia4467
8 ай бұрын
Yeah her VT scores and form looked much better than Jocelyn’s. I sat here and gave a 14 year history of the sport so please stfu
@michaelhoward5786
8 ай бұрын
@@gymlandia4467you should, arrogance and ignorance do not mix.
@reeset2198
6 ай бұрын
Omg this is absolutely true!
@emilyvickery8081
6 ай бұрын
My faves atm Gabby, Jade, Jordan.
@topanga5759
8 ай бұрын
You think the team members should have been picked by who gets more news coverage? That’s really stupid logic.
@gymlandia4467
8 ай бұрын
Never said that i said that’s part of the equation just running with shit.
@bradleyschofield1594
8 ай бұрын
lets start with learning how to spell controversial - not contreversial.
@gymlandia4467
8 ай бұрын
Let’s start with not wasting your free time on my channel and bettering yourself respectfully 🩶
@emilyvickery8081
6 ай бұрын
Martha and Baylor were the best coaches etc for USA
@reeset2198
6 ай бұрын
Joselyn trains at WCC with the Landis and Simone. My feeling was that that helped her. They wanna give her some international experience, etc..
@thiagomelo7425
8 ай бұрын
i am brazilian and e every fan of gymnastics here talks about how usa team was pretty weak… i mean, with simone biles a 2.0 point win? and russia wasn’t there… and in case some people says that 2 points is a lot usa team used be at least 3/4 points ahead and against pretty strong teams of russia and china. i mean, put ONE gymnast like cheng fei on this china team and they could easily be the champions if they hit. at least with a usa team like the one we saw this worlds . and yes, if russia had been there they would be the champions. you just can’t leave an olympic and world champion and 7 world medalist out of the team. it’s nuts ps: in case you didn’t watch worlds last year, jade scored 14.066 and she can easily upgrade her routine to a 6.3/6.4 guys, get real shilese did not receive the scores she received at usa champs, for example. usa judges have their favorites and international ones too: they like jade and team usa lost 2 bronze world medals that she would have won on vault and floor. i won’t even mention putting a girl with HORRIBLE technique on vault and floor on the team, that girl was a injurie incoming sorry. technique is much more important than artistry
@gymlandia4467
8 ай бұрын
The USA team sent was weak and I totally agree yet the talent pool is isn’t Jade and Jordan should’ve been in Antwerp and USA would’ve scored like 2-3 points more. Cheng Fei wouldn’t be enough to save China. Russia only has Gelya and Listy the others aren’t doing well it would be like just having Simone and Shilese like Team USA had. Jade actually scored a 14.166. Shilese scores are a result of racism like Simone & Rebeca who both are underscored as well. I’m still waiting on your apology from my great white hope video.
@oksana295
5 ай бұрын
I would have taken simone,shilese,skye,leanne and jordan
@saniyahbeflyin841
8 ай бұрын
The only reason I would take Jade anywhere is to put the judges to sleep. She would have only been able to compete Vault in the championships her floor would have been butchered in the score. It was a good choice leaving her behind.
@shelleykay9089
8 ай бұрын
Wrong , she’s Olympic gold medalist in this event .
@micheleclark59
7 ай бұрын
Dude, THIS is how they develope New Talent! If Jocelyn hadn’t gotten injured her Vault and Floor are so GOOD… she kicked Jades butt At Nationals, it was sad, I was there. WHOEVER goes to Olympics will be whoever Is best next year! I love Jordan and she lead the other USA team to Gold in Santiago and won other medals. I’d put Jordan on Olympic team Again no problem. Looks like Kayla Decicio is going to do well also. You don’t understand Simone, she’s an Anomaly. Sh&t disturber
@gymlandia4467
7 ай бұрын
She wouldn’t have medaled lmao 🤣🤣 & Jade would’ve been favored to medal if she came. So please actually listen before running with bs. Stay out of your feelings.
@brandonbrown1916
8 ай бұрын
I'd take Jordan over Leanne any day, but I wouldn't ignore the overall stability of Leanne. I was very high on not using Skye in the final, but then you pointed out how, even w her falling, and having her d score, it still wouldve likely lead to a higher score. I was just sooo disappointed w Skye consistently falling off beam, that I was giving her the Martha treatment. Like, Im not sure how many ppl were 90s watchers, but I can only imagine how much better the 90s gymns would've been w monthly camps (no, I do not support Bela n Martha, but I support the consistent comp since the U.S hardly ever go to any except damn Jesolo and Worlds.) While I recognize her talent, and your point abt scoring, Skye is not going to keep being given grace when she has a gold medal opp in her bag if she just stays on the dam beam outside of the US!
@zsmooth6098
8 ай бұрын
Your logic makes zero sense. You’re basically saying Tom should’ve chosen gymnasts that are more known rather than who are peaking at the right time. But you got to factor in who’d contribute to the team more. You just now heard of Jocelyn that’s why you’re hating on her so bad. And of course it’s a guy hating on women. That’s pathetic and embarrassing on your end. Also Suni only opted out due to health issues, not because she knew she wasn’t gonna be chosen. Let’s get back to these gymnasts. All of them have strong contributions to the team. Simone can literally do all events, Shilese can be used on all events as well. Skye can be used on Beam, and bars. Jocelyn can be used on vault and floor, and Leanne can be used on all four. And the hate towards Kayla is so weird considering how she’s consistent and can replace anyone on all events. Like be so fr. Your logic makes no sense. To me it seems like you just want to see your favorites at Worlds rather than be strategic. Also let me say this again….you’re a guy hating on women. Okay I said what I said
@gymlandia4467
8 ай бұрын
And your white in black people business. Yet continue being blinded 🤣. I criticized Leanne as well. Kayla fell hella times this and fell in 2021 at worlds so shorty isn’t consistent.
@zsmooth6098
8 ай бұрын
@@gymlandia4467 first I’m literally black, a man of color, African American. Also you’re bringing up stuff from the past. You said she fell a lot in 2021. But she also won a bronze at worlds in 2021….you keep bringing up medals from the past as well. What does that have to do with the present???? Yeah you sound crazy and delusional
@gymlandia4467
8 ай бұрын
@@zsmooth6098 yet you a fan watching my shit wasting your time. Kayla fell hella times this year as well. Which one is it black, POC, or AA because all 3 is crazy nigga and they’re not all the same. So I digress
@zsmooth6098
8 ай бұрын
@@gymlandia4467 you’re so slow I was literally describing that I was Black and I was using other terms that define black people. Omg for someone to be in the military you’re pretty unintelligent. Also you didn’t even spell “disagree” correctly, like be so fr. You want to hate on these gymnasts so bad when you’re not even considering who picked the team. Chelsie, and Alicia were also the others that picked this worlds team. 2 athletes that’s been to worlds, the Olympics, and have many medals to their name. So I’m pretty sure they’re using their brains rather than picking favorites. They’ve been in that same exact position as them gymnasts on this worlds team. Favoritism doesn’t win anything, no matter if the team wins gold, silver, or bronze. They still gonna put their all in on each event. So your argument is really pointless at this point and your only argument is “why they don’t pick experienced gymnasts with more medals for media attention”. That just sound so slow to me. That’s it that’s all. Now if you wanna go blow for blow I can sit here and eat you up any day and anytime. Just like these other comments are doing to you
@joanm9839
8 ай бұрын
Leanne had to step in after Jocelyn got injured and I think she proved she can be relied upon in a pinch. I was hoping she got on the team!
@gymlandia4467
8 ай бұрын
She put up low ass numbers and bombed beam. That was her first fall internationally yet her scoring potential is to low & Jocelyn has no medal potential either.
@collinsjermaine
8 ай бұрын
This is soooo true! It is about experience and team chemistry! Jordan and Jade would’ve set the team off!
@likeisaidjenkins3689
8 ай бұрын
Jordan and Jade seem to be struggling between college and elite gymnastics.
@gymlandia4467
8 ай бұрын
@@likeisaidjenkins3689 lmao they won 4 individual medals between them last year so huh.
@stpark22
8 ай бұрын
I'm calling BS on this and I haven't even listened to the entire post. Jocelyn made vault finals and was the 2nd strongest on floor for the U.S. How does she not make sense to be on this team! Make it make sense
@gymlandia4467
8 ай бұрын
Jade had the potential to actually win a medal on VT. Making a final with no medal doesn’t matter & she wasn’t 2nd strongest on floor because she got 2pc out by Shilese. So loud and wrong
@likeisaidjenkins3689
8 ай бұрын
You're praising Marta as if she was a saint. Considering the crap that came out about them according to what Nadia, Dominique Moceanu, Keri Strugg, Ally Raismain, and Simone said they experienced, not to mention she and her husband's training ranch was shut down due to allegations of sexual abuse, she shouldn't be praised for what she "did for" USA Gymnastics. She's part of an ugly past and she should remain there.
@gymlandia4467
8 ай бұрын
I literally said I’m not gonna ride for her yet she knew how to pick teams. I said she did some fucked up shii so stop hearing what you want.
@likeisaidjenkins3689
8 ай бұрын
@@gymlandia4467 As a member of the US military, you should resign. I don't feel comfortable with someone like you "defending" the country who's going off on a social media site over what you consider as "bad picks" for team USA. None of what you're b*tching about is relevant and won't change a damn thing. Just say you're p*ssed because your favorites weren't chosen. By the way, learn how to SPELL; it's CONTROVERSY. You really shouldn't have time to waste PERIOD about this. Go back to your post and call it a day. And stop talking about that abuser Marta.
@gymlandia4467
8 ай бұрын
@@likeisaidjenkins3689 your a troll and you’re getting blocked 😩
@Hervinbalfour
8 ай бұрын
@@likeisaidjenkins3689you've got to be a damn fool. You "feel comfortable" with someone defending the country over a gymnastics opion. Okay Karen...
@jacobbaker4545
8 ай бұрын
They put gabby through hell. I think jade isnt ready
@svenlabots1869
7 ай бұрын
Well,...whereever, however, eventually we now all know how it all turned out...S'mown 'n Sh'lees did 'bout the entire job...😃
@gymnastiq
2 ай бұрын
I know that Marta would not have chosen this I’m jus saying
@mscharliw
8 ай бұрын
Well that’s a lot of shit
@sammy4634
8 ай бұрын
What? USA chose the best team available today. Go USA! Please stop this nonsense.
@micheleclark59
7 ай бұрын
It’ll be WHOEVER is Peaking after next years meets! Nationals ?
@gymlandia4467
7 ай бұрын
Blakely was peaking she didn’t help. You can’t go by who’s hot rn. You need to go by medal potential and scoring potential as well. That’s a bullshit strategy and if you watched the vid you’d understand that.
@beambreaker
8 ай бұрын
I disagree about Leanne. Honestly i hope she crushes it to prove you wrong. I think Jade is she into college now and theres nothing wrong with that. I do agree that Marta changed gymnastics for the USA. SOME GOOD SOME BAD THOUGH. Leanne Wong is better than Jordan if you ask me. I also agree with your point about Mykayla Skinner in Toyko
@gymlandia4467
8 ай бұрын
Welp I was right considering she didn’t QF to anything or have access to medal potential. I also said I understand why she was taken.
@jewelsnjoy
8 ай бұрын
@@gymlandia4467 they could have taken a chance with Riley McCusker over Skinner
@gymlandia4467
8 ай бұрын
@@jewelsnjoy yeah but Riley was a inconsistent queen. I would’ve taken her yet shorty was white privilege personified.
@jewelsnjoy
8 ай бұрын
@@gymlandia4467 Hmm, not wrong. Who would've been your pick ? Jade not being on the team was 100% stupid.
@teresawatson9656
8 ай бұрын
What are you talking about?
@DJcyberslash
8 ай бұрын
Josc has second highest vault scores
@gymlandia4467
8 ай бұрын
Lmao her VT will not score higher than Jade. They vaults aren’t comparable be fr
@DJcyberslash
8 ай бұрын
@@gymlandia4467 I hear ya. I'm just saying what I remember from worlds qualifications
@joycespencer8731
8 ай бұрын
Just waist my time listening to this
@gymlandia4467
8 ай бұрын
Everything I said came true. Leanne didn’t help, Jocelyn didn’t medal, and only 2 gymnasts medaled.
@jewelsnjoy
8 ай бұрын
The gymternet loves virtue signalling, but its clear to those who have eyes and are willing to see that Joselyn is a plain BAD choice. And not because 'she's muscular' - because she has bent knees, flexed feet and terrible form. She's nowhere close to ready and should only have been bought out closer to 2028 IF she can clean up the eyesores in her gymnastics. As of now, she's worse than MyKayla Skinner at her worst. I did wonder if she was taken atleast in part to whitify this almost exclusively Asian and Black team.
@gymlandia4467
8 ай бұрын
I will say Jade is white yet she’s proven herself time and time again on the international stage. Yet she could never be a simple replacement for Jade.
@christopheryoung6880
8 ай бұрын
I hear you but like pleeeeeaaaaasseeeeeeeee. You can't compare gymnastics to football or basketball. Football and basketball have an entire game to improve and make up for their performance. Gymnastics you have one shot, consistency is everything. I agree Grace made mistakes but she did not lose .3 on every split on beam. However, yes gymnastics has a deep rooted history of racism and still has racism present today and I do not at all disagree with you on that. I look forward to your video regarding that because it's not often talked about. In regards to Jocelyn vs Jade and selecting less experienced atheletes, the USA is not in a position where they are counting on this world championships to qualify them to the Olympics next year. Yes Jade has proven herself internationally, same with Jordan. However, with the new emphasis on artistry deductions, Jocelyn is set up to receive a higher score than Jade. Also, due to the lost years from covid, most of the athletes are lacking experience when it comes to major international meets. By giving this opportunity to less experienced athletes, they are putting themselves in a better position for next year in the event of an injury or an athlete retiring from elite. At the end of the day, USAG is so deep in athletes that you could made 3-4 teams that could medal at Worlds. It's unfortunate and there's certainly athletes that I would have loved to see on the team but there's nothing we can do other than show support for the amazing athletes that are stepping foot on the world stage.
@gymlandia4467
8 ай бұрын
The main argument is VT and jade is a much better vaulter. People do compare Simone Biles to Tom Brady lmao and in gymnastics there are 4 other players. Only 5 basketball players are on the at once so if anything its the most similar. 5 players trying to score enough each for them to win.
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