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@lucasrinaldi9909
8 ай бұрын
Fei really is a protagonist who stands out among typical JRPG protagonists. I would like to see more introspective characters like Fei in other games. As for Luke, I not only understand, but even identify with him. For personal reasons, the fact that he was spoiled, lazy and irresponsible at that age is perfectly convincing to me. And his maturation is quite well handled IMO.
@LowestExpectations
8 ай бұрын
@@lucasrinaldi9909 I understand why people like his story, but I just can't. Also Mieu abuse is unforgivable lol
@matttheshadowman2790
2 ай бұрын
> Sees title and is curious, clicks video > Sees Lloyd Bannings as 10th worst > Closes video
@LowestExpectations
2 ай бұрын
@@matttheshadowman2790 Lol.
@samuelflores2219
Жыл бұрын
Regarding Luke's situation, once the revelation of his origins is revealed, it puts his actions in the first third of the game into perspective. Considering he is literally 7 and was sheltered all his life, it makes sense that he is a spoiled brat. Also considering Van purposefully treated Luke in a way that he would listen to anything Van would say which would lead to Akzeriuth's fall is pretty messed up. That event is something Luke has to carry for the rest of the game. Seeing him trying to become a better person was truly a sight to see. I can definitely see why he is a fan favorite. Especially in Japan.
@LowestExpectations
Жыл бұрын
It's understandable, but he still made much of the game less enjoyable, at least for me. Thanks for the comment 👍
@samuelflores2219
Жыл бұрын
@@LowestExpectations No problem. Tales of the Abyss is one of my favorite games of all time and Luke's development is a big part why. His journey of not only being a better person and finding his path in life, but to also rekindle the bonds and trust he's damaged kept me engaged. Personally one of my favorite protagonists
@Zephhi
10 ай бұрын
Kevin is the absolute GOAT and it’s why Sky 3rd is my favorite Trails game
@LowestExpectations
10 ай бұрын
After playing Sky through Kuro 2, Sky the 3rd is still my favorite in the series too.
@elijahparish3763
2 ай бұрын
Saw Trails at the 2 spot and almost had a heart attack thinking you were going to say Rean. I deeply love the Trails series, but it feels like Cold Steel traded away the character development which made the Sky trilogy so special in exchange for some cheap anime tropes
@LowestExpectations
2 ай бұрын
lmao if I put Rean at #2 best I don't think I could live with myself. It's as you say though, they really did go full-in on the anime tropes and other nonsense and it made the series worse as a result.
@chadschroeder9208
Жыл бұрын
I think Estelle could be higher especially with her inviting Renne into the Bright family. After everything Renne went through Estelle is what she needed. Even admitting that if not for her journey she didn't know if she could. Definitely had the most growth. If you do a jrpg waifu list my opinions aren't very valuable as in Cold Steel and Persona 5 I went for the teachers lol. I would be extremely curious about your top 10 most/least favorite antagonists in jrpgs though.
@LowestExpectations
Жыл бұрын
I do love Estelle a lot. Easily one of the best developed JRPG protagonists out there, but man, are those early moments of Sky 1 kinda painful lol... As for waifu list, probably won't do that as I don't really do the "waifu" thing, except as a meme. JRPG antagonists on the other hand, I am interested in doing. I started jotting down a list of them, but I'm struggling to come up with 10 on the least favorites side of it. We'll see. Thanks for the comment 👍
@chadschroeder9208
Жыл бұрын
@LowestExpectations I see your point but I think her being that way was to make her character development more impactful and intentional. She was annoying at the beginning and that was the point. I agree with most of your logic and that is why I had to comment. Thank you for responding and I look forward to watching more from you
@LowestExpectations
Жыл бұрын
@@chadschroeder9208 No problem and thank you for watching 😁
@LowestExpectations
Жыл бұрын
@@chadschroeder9208 ICYMI I've just recently uploaded my top 10 antagonists if you're still interested ✌️
@Vayne_Solidor
9 ай бұрын
Vaan is the observer, just a cool normal kid. Player's eyes whioe exploring the world and its secrets. The true protagonists are Basch, Ashe and Balthier, with their counterparts being Gabranth, myself and Doktor Cid.
@LowestExpectations
9 ай бұрын
They could have made a better character for a "players' eyes" role then. We don't need the same cringey kid stereotype as the main protagonist every time just for the sake of having a protagonist that's "relatable". Relatability is also not necessary if the main protagonists are written well or more interesting, such as Basch, Ashe, and Balthier. I still think the game's story would have been better if one of them was the main character instead.
@xxJing
9 ай бұрын
@@LowestExpectationsFrom what I understand a version of Basch was originally supposed to be the protagonist for 12 but since Vagrant Story had an adult protagonist and it didn't do well financially Square kind of forced the team to make a pretty boy stereotype as the protagonist. I am neutral on Vaan personally. He's completely unimportant to the story but at the same time his existence is also very non intrusive. Ultimately I can forgive his existence lol.
@theku3604
8 ай бұрын
I feel like Loyd being a “normie “ is what makes him so good to be honest. Like rean by cold steel 4 is a divine blade and has a giant mech and has a special transformation, oh and every single female main character is in love with him. Lloyd is just a determined guy which makes him not only more relatable but also more admirable. He pretty much defeated a god just because of love for his friends and country, as well as his moral code. That being said his speeches in reverie were pretty annoying, but I feel like he wasn’t that bad in zero or azure
@LowestExpectations
8 ай бұрын
I don't find him relatable at all, and his appearances in CS4/Reverie definitely pushed him onto this list. If it was just Zero/Azure, probably would have been Rean at #10 instead lol
@theku3604
8 ай бұрын
@@LowestExpectations yeah i guess that's fair enough lol
@muthesquirrel
7 ай бұрын
My least favorite... Atsuma, from Enchanted Arms. That game also has my least favourite female lead... they start the characters out obnoxious, then kinda' forget the 'development' part. Favourite is a tough one... I'll go with Marona from Phantom Brave. She's so sweet and her story fills me with feels.
@LowestExpectations
7 ай бұрын
Haven't played Enchanted Arms but I've heard it's not that great, but I do need to go back and complete Phantom Brave. I remember liking Marona too
@keymo9480
Жыл бұрын
This list got me interested in other games I’d never heard of! Thanks for sharing this!
@LowestExpectations
Жыл бұрын
Nice. Have fun with them!
@zorochii
11 ай бұрын
Maybe I'll beat ff7 someday and see if Cloud is actually an interesting character. But I'm glad Fei is here.
@LowestExpectations
11 ай бұрын
How far are you? I personally thought Cloud was alright. He's got some interesting circumstances in the story for sure.
@TM_Em0lga
4 ай бұрын
I’m happy Neptune is not in the least favorite. Because it took me a while to get use to her. But now…I really like her.
@LowestExpectations
4 ай бұрын
Yep, once you get into it, Neppy is just too lovable!
@TM_Em0lga
4 ай бұрын
@@LowestExpectations And I just realized her 4th wall break is breaking stereotypes and cliches…
@Hyperguy205
10 ай бұрын
I understand where you're coming from with Lloyd, but I think those "aha!" detective moments he has are some of the best moments in the Crossbell arc and should be enough to keep him off the top 10 at the least. When he asked a certain character if he killed his brother, I lost my shit. They definitely should have gave him a few more interesting relatable flaws though.
@LowestExpectations
10 ай бұрын
I understand what you mean, but to me, that's not enough to create a compelling character. Everyone else in the game was way more interesting than Lloyd (except Elie lol).
@Princessk8
9 ай бұрын
I don't agree with everything in here but I respect that you had both Estelle AND nep-nep on the list. Those are my 1A and 1B favorite characters, both beloved but for different reasons. Neppy single-handedly carries the series she stars in.
@LowestExpectations
9 ай бұрын
Heck yeah, Neppy is awesome and so is Estelle.
@peophones
Жыл бұрын
you're missing... YURI LOWELL from Tales of Vesperia!! that guy is total 🔥🔥🔥
@LowestExpectations
Жыл бұрын
He seems decent, but I lost interest in that game around 15-20 hours in. I don't know if I'll return to it. The Tales of franchise and I have a spotty relationship unfortunately. Thanks for the comment though 👍
@Zephhi
10 ай бұрын
@@LowestExpectationsYou’d be better off not finishing it. Tales of the Abyss is the best Tales game I’ve played, but even then it’s only good at best. Most the games just aren’t good
@LowestExpectations
10 ай бұрын
@@Zephhi Despite Luke, I did enjoy Tales of the Abyss. But I also liked Xillia 1 and 2, Graces (I think this one had the best combat), and Berseria too. The stories in that series are very weak across the board though, ngl.
@Zephhi
10 ай бұрын
@@LowestExpectations Yeah agreed. The only other Tales games I would play are the really really early ones and Xillia + Graces but that’s all lol
@xxJing
9 ай бұрын
I honestly don't mind silent protagonists with a back story. I'm one of the few out there who does find it more immersive when my protagonist doesn't talk. I also find it makes the game feel more like a world than like a movie or a book for instance. My favorite JRPG protagonist though is probably Mao from Disgaea 3. I love his whole Mad Scientist motif. To me he's kind of like Laharl for people who don't want a redemption story. For Silent Protagonists I love Dragon Quest 7. It feels like you're just a kid who gets to go on an adventure without any like chosen one huge destiny.
@JetTheBaron
3 ай бұрын
Rean is definitely on my top 10 favourites. Sure, he's a harem protagonist, but his character arc over his 5 games is really good. You failed to mention the events that happened to him and his classmates throughout the games, and only covered his harem. The ending of both Cold Steel 1 and Cold Steel 3 are enough to place him in the top 10. Also Van Arkride has to be on the top 10 favourites too. I won't spoil his arc, but he is by far the most relatable and my favourite Trails MC.
@LowestExpectations
2 ай бұрын
I didn't fail to mention anything since Rean wasn't the main topic for any of the entries. As for Van, I do like him quite a lot. I kinda wish I had made this video after playing Kuro 1/2.
@Zephhi
10 ай бұрын
Spitting with Lloyd
@robuckatron
10 ай бұрын
look at you
@Zephhi
10 ай бұрын
skibid toilet@@robuckatron
@robuckatron
10 ай бұрын
sskibi dop dop dop yes eys@@Zephhi
@KiryuZer0
3 ай бұрын
This List reminded me why Ar Tonelico 2 is one of my favorite JRPGs. I was so hooked I played through the game in 4 settings, good thing you don't need much sleep when you are younger... Also, I don't have such a great dislike with Rex I am more meh about him like with Xenoblade 2 it's just too much of a mesh of stuff that's unbearable at times. They did redeem themself with Noah and Mio in Xenoblade 2 though who even top Shulk for me.
@LowestExpectations
3 ай бұрын
Oh yeah, AT2 is one of those games that gets its hooks in you and never lets go. To me, Noah and Mio are just okay. Not great but not bad either.
@ne2359
3 ай бұрын
Im surprised that you could have Estelle and Tidus be some of your favorite protagonists but hate Rex so strongly. I think that his being thrusted into the role of hero works really well for the overall depressing state of Xenoblade 2's world. Everyone in that game was done dirty by the state of their world and only someone like Rex could solve it.
@lucasrinaldi9909
8 ай бұрын
37:53 I would agree (even though I've never chosen the female trainer in my entire life) if it weren't for Ethan, the trainer with my favorite design in the entire franchise.
@LowestExpectations
8 ай бұрын
Ethan is my best boi too. Though I'm admittedly very biased towards Gen 2 lol.
@inevitable-armageddon
Ай бұрын
very apt name considering your opinions haha
@LowestExpectations
Ай бұрын
Haha...
@Synthpopper
Жыл бұрын
Getting an emcee like Rean right after the goated Estelle, Kevin, and Lloyd was such a gut punch. Fuck Cold Steel, I actually hate that arc
@LowestExpectations
Жыл бұрын
Harsh, but understandable. I attribute most of Rean's problems to the overall story itself, but I totally get why people don't like him. Thanks for the comment, and maybe you would also enjoy my "Top 10 Least Favorite Moments in the Trails Series" video 😛
@Synthpopper
Жыл бұрын
@@LowestExpectations I'll check it out! To be fair I do agree that most of his issues come from the arc itself, and the harem shit isn't exactly his fault but it surrounds him so it's unavoidable. I think Cold Steel 1 & 3 are ok but the only thing that got me through those hundreds of hours was wanting to keep up to date with the series and lore, holding onto a shred of hope that we could return to the kino of 3rd, Zero and Azure
@LowestExpectations
Жыл бұрын
@@Synthpopper That's very relatable. There were parts of CS3 that I really liked, such as visiting the remains of Hamel and that crazy ending. After that, it was like being fueled by copium through CS4 and Reverie (though Reverie was a lot of fun entirely for gameplay reasons). I don't want to get into details, but based on what you said here, I think you will like Kuro.
@Synthpopper
Жыл бұрын
@@LowestExpectations I'm currently playing through Reverie after taking an extended break/burnout from the series and it's really dragging its feet. Even my love of Lloyd and all things Crossbell isn't saving it. But what is is C. Who would've thought that if the games don't do the same thing 4 times in a row it gets engaging again? So I have higher hopes for Kuro and will be playing it right after Reverie.
@LowestExpectations
Жыл бұрын
@@Synthpopper C's route was easily the best of the three. Lloyd's was the worst ironically. At least I thought so.
@isaaccollins4533
Жыл бұрын
Favorites 10: Cloud ff7 and ff7 remake 9: Shulk from Xenoblade Cronicles 8: Justin from Grandia 7: Clive from ff16 6: Crom/Lucina from Fire Emblem Awakening 5: Tidus from ff10 4: Alex from Lunar silver star story 3: Zidane from ff9 2: Terra Branford from ff6 honorable mention: Yuri from Tales of Vesparia, Locke from Final Fantasy 6, Ike from Fire emblem Path of Radiance and Radiant Dawn, Bartz from Final Fantasy 5, Sigurd and Seliph from Fire Emblem Geneaology of the Holy War, Lightning from Final Fantasy 13, and Squall from Final Fantasy 8 1: Cecil Harvey from ff4 I only have a few least favorite jrpg protagonist and that is: 5: Janis from Inuyasha the ds game 4: Noctis from ff15 3: Rex from Xenoblade 2 2: Sora from Kingdom Hearts franchise 1: Byleth from Fire Emblem 3 houses
@LowestExpectations
Жыл бұрын
Nice. I don't know anything about Byleth other than their Smash appearance, but I don't think I've ever heard anyone hate on them either. Interesting.
@isaaccollins4533
Жыл бұрын
@@LowestExpectations lol, the fact that I ranked Cecil number 1 for my favorite and Yuri from Tales of Vesparia an honorable mention
@isaaccollins4533
Жыл бұрын
Another thing is that Sora from the kingdom hearts franchise is lovably annoying or how it is spelled. Sora just in my opinion feels like he forgets what he is doing like kingdom hearts 3 where he has to learn the "power of awakaning"
@historian252
11 ай бұрын
Sora never forgot what he had to do. In fact you see Sora trying yo figure himself out in KH 3 given how badly he screwed up and pretty much failed the mark of mastery.
@isaaccollins4533
11 ай бұрын
Janis from the Inuyasha dc game is an alright character but she is on the list because she is honestly forgettable and hard to remember why is a good character. Noctis is a boring cliche protagonist from an ok game with the best modern villain ever made. Rex is the same complaint that LowestExpectation made. Byleth was made overpowered to the fact that is basically a god Now let's talk about the good protagonists. 10 Cloud has an interesting arc as his character is the best seen in video gaming history and his clash against Sethiroth. 9 Shulk from Xenoblade chronicles was honestly interesting and also he is cute as I a male find him smart and also he is probably my favorite well developed protagonist 8 Justin from Grandia was made really good as he grows up like grown to be enjoyable. 7 Clive from FF16 recent protagonist being good? Some may argue that he is Noctis 2.0 but I found interesting and really cool. 6 Crom/Lucina from Fire Emblem Awakening despite Robin being a made protagonist it's easier as both Crom and Lucina are family and a family protagonist are cool. 5. Tidus from ff10 he has a cool, cringy laugh and also his love interest with Yuna is cool. 4. Alex from Lunar Silver star story is a unique protagonist as he grows and changes even around Luna his childhood friend and love interest. 3: Zidane from Final Fantasy 9 has a memorable story and and I like his love story with Garnett. 2: Terra Branford has the most memorable story arc compared to Cloud, but I rank her higher as her beginning of the game state left made me feel bad for the character. 1: Cecil Harvey has a great redemption arc and has in my opinion the most iconic love story in the game with rosa. In the sequel game that takes place after the games, the show him as a great father and caring person willing to protect those he loves also was able to take out Zack Fair in a different game Honorable mentions: 1. Yuri from Tales of Vesparia is a great anti hero protagonist that I like. His view on justice is reasonable killing those who will hurt others again. 2. Locke from Final Fantasy 6 is another protagonist that has a great theme song and has a backstory that you want to see him succeed and he does get close to Celes another protagonist who is also great. 3. Sigurd and Seliph from Fire Emblem Geneaology of the Holy War is a great father-son protagonist that partially made Chrom and Lucina better protagonists Ike from Fire emblem Path of radiance and Radiant Dawn is also an absolute badass who is the greatest smash Fire emblem character in smash and also having reasonable goals Squall from Final Fantasy 8 was a protagonist I hated, but came to love as his cheesy romance story with Rinoa was amazing. Also he has the best weapon design. Don't even try to argue. Lightning from Final Fantasy 13 was a protagonist I thought reminded me of Cloud, but I realized her story has a meaning. Her character growth was amazing, not for continuing to hate on Snow, her sister, Serah's fiance. Bartz from Final Fantasy 5 from honestly being so relatable and for having great character design and arc to continue.
@RuneTacticss
7 ай бұрын
LLOYD? That's crazy I thought that was going to be in the best category
@LowestExpectations
7 ай бұрын
I'm full of surprises, what can I say?
@peaceonmars
5 ай бұрын
Probably the dumbest entry here. Says Rean is better. Lmao.
@LowestExpectations
5 ай бұрын
@@peaceonmars Haha...
@archipelago9065
10 ай бұрын
Rex is probably my favorite protagonist and Xenoblade Chronicles 2 is my all time favorite game, and the cast of XC2 is also my favorite JRPG cast of all time besides Nier Replicant and FFX. But I completely get your complaints Also, I respect your love for Fei. Xenogears has my favorite video game story ever too.
@LowestExpectations
10 ай бұрын
I question your taste, my good sir. JK, but I'm surprised at the number of people who say that honestly. XC2 felt like such a betrayal because of how much the previous games resonated with me. Maybe it's because they played XC2 before the older games, but idk. Nier Replicant and FFX are also among my favorite casts of characters, so that's interesting to me that you would rank XC2 among them. Thanks for the comment 👍
@toolman4745
3 ай бұрын
Really enjoyed the video. Great editing and script. Definitely throwing a sub your way to continue seeing what you do. If I might make a request, please lay off the R word in future.
@LowestExpectations
2 ай бұрын
Thanks. If you don't like that word, then I don't recommend tuning into my streams lol.
@austinlawrence6987
2 ай бұрын
In Vaan's defense. The world doesn't revolve around him, he's walking in on a story that's already unfolding without him, it's convincing worldbuilding.
@LowestExpectations
2 ай бұрын
You can do that with a more interesting character instead though lol.
@nopeyepp
10 ай бұрын
I agree on Neptunia and Fei being GOATs, but I think you're too harsh towards Lloyd and especially Rean. I guess it's kinda goofy to say (considering PFP) but I find a lot of his strong suits highly similar to Fei, and I think the connection is very much intentional. It's weird that you're a JRPG fan, yet harem is a such a major problem for you. Comes down to preference, so not a major complaint. Personally, I found Shulk and Yunica relatively boring. Overall, interesting video.
@LowestExpectations
10 ай бұрын
This whole topic is down to preference at the end of the day lol. I will say that Yunica is the least interesting of the Origin trio, but having an axe-wielding JRPG protagonist is such a rarity, so I'm not gonna complain too much lol. As for Rean and Lloyd, I wasn't nearly as harsh as I've seen some other fans be, at least in this video. Check out my Top 10 Least Favorite Trails Moments video if you want to see. 😉 The harem aspect is just a small part of a game. I don't think it's weird to dislike that aspect but still enjoy the game overall. Thanks for the comment, and be sure to check out my Top 10 antagonists too 👍
@hylianfelldragon1308
11 ай бұрын
I have played Fire Emblem Fates, unless you're going into it for the gameplay which admittedly has some of the best gameplay in the Fire Emblem series, you're not really missing out on much and knowing what you don't like about JRPG protagonists, yeah you'll absolutely despise Corrin. Even as someone who absolutely adores Xenoblade Chronicles 2, I do agree that it's main protagonist isn't one of the reasons for it by a long shot. A lot of the things I enjoy about the game from a story/character standpoint lies more on the support characters, the antagonists and the 2nd half of the game. Apparently the next Xenoblade title is going to be vastly different from any of the Xenoblade titles but who knows when that's coming up. I like Nepgear more than Neptune personally.
@LowestExpectations
11 ай бұрын
That checks out because from what I've heard, most FE fans don't like Corrin either. I've never heard anyone say anything good about them as a character lol I have zero expectations for whatever the Xenoblade team has coming next. As much as I love the first Xenoblade, it's still a far cry from how good the older Xeno series' stories used to be. But that's just me. There's still a sliver of possibility that the next one will hit the mark for me I suppose. Nepgear is cute and I love her too, but Neptune wins for me because she's too funny. Thanks for the comment 👍
@Doctorolivercook
Жыл бұрын
Frasier from Seinfeld: BUT HE DIDN'T SAY ANYTHING!!!
@SantosOverlord
11 ай бұрын
i rl though Yuri would be the one from the Tales of, i mean he carries Vesperia on his back
@LowestExpectations
11 ай бұрын
I couldn't get into that game, so I didn't know enough to mention him
@SantosOverlord
11 ай бұрын
@@LowestExpectations well makes sense
@MasterXL2
Жыл бұрын
Your video appeared in my recommended and i enjoyed it. Though i do like Lloyd more than Rean (especially as Rean becomes more generic in CS3 and 4), i do agree with your number one for dislike. I cannot stand Rex in Xenoblade 2. But anyway, you got my subscription. Looking to see more of what you have.
@LowestExpectations
Жыл бұрын
Nice, thanks for checking out the video. I blame Rean's genericness on his story rather than his character, but that's just me. I kinda wish I had played Kuro before making this video though... Anyway, thanks for the comment, and don't forget to check out my JRPG antagonists follow-up video 😉
@MasterXL2
10 ай бұрын
@@LowestExpectations just saw this, I'll be sure to take a look at them as well
@vittoriopugliese3352
Жыл бұрын
My 10 favorite and least favorite Favorite: 10) Cloud Strife (FFVII Remake only) 9) Kalas (Baten Kaitos) 8) Velvet (Tales of Berseria) 7) Shion Uzuki (Xenosaga series) 6) Geddoe (Suikoden 3) 5) Ringo (Soul Hackers 2) 4) Clive Rosfield (FFXVI) 3) Yuri Hyuga (Shadow Hearts series) 2) Fei Fong Wong (Xenogears) 1) Van Arkride (Kuro no Kiseki) Least favorite: 10) Hugo (Suikoden 3) 9) Yuito Sumeragi (Scarlet Nexus) 8) Riou (Suikoden 2) 7) Corrin (Fire Emblem Fates) 6) Rean Schwarzer (Trails of Cold Steel) 5) Freyjadour Falenas (Suikoden 5) 4) Lyner Barsett (Ar Tonelico 1) 3) Vaan (FFXII) 2) Joker (Persona 5) 1) Felix (Golden Sun Lost Age) NOTE: I lack a switch and a PSP, so I can't play Xenoblade from 2 onward nor Trails in the Sky. I also do not play WRPGs, Compile Heart games or the Disgaea series. Also, I really despise the protagonists of Digital Devil Saga, Dragon Quest 4, Mother 3 and Persona 2 for being silent protagonists that are too defined as characters to be silent, but haven't actually played those games. I only played through Scarlet Nexus as Kasane (who I quite like) and refuse intentionally to play as Yuito, but I ranked Yuito here because he's a prominent character even in Kasane's story (and most of the late game is shared between the two). Cloud is ranked only in his VII Remake incarnation, which dials up the contrast between his dorky inexperienced true self and the badass facade he puts forward and his inner suffering (I prefer Squall Leonhart to VII original Cloud). I also find Luke fon Fabre decent, just decent (though yeah, he is somewhat boring and generic) because he's literally a 7 year-old kid.
@LowestExpectations
Жыл бұрын
A solid list, though Felix is your #1 least favorite when Matthew exists? Hmm that's a bit sussy. 😛 Anyway I really need to get into Shadow Hearts and Suikoden one of these days.
@vittoriopugliese3352
Жыл бұрын
@@LowestExpectations Cause Felix was one of the few interesting characters in GS1. Making him silent means wasted potential up the wazoo
@vittoriopugliese3352
Жыл бұрын
@@LowestExpectations At least Matthew is a new character. And Felix knows the entire plot of the game, and he's the one who wants to light the lighthouses to begin with, so him being silent makes what should be your goal since the start of the game a reveal that happens after you get to Lemuria
@vittoriopugliese3352
Жыл бұрын
@@LowestExpectations Avoid Suikoden 4. It sucks balls, unlike the others. Suikoden 3 has rotating viewpoints (but they're non-silent). By the way, I decided to rank Riou and Freyjadour rather than Lazlo because Lazlo has much less plot relevance than Riou or Freyjadour (Suikoden 2 for instance focuses a lot on Riou's connections to Jowy and Nanami), so Lazlo being silent is less of a waste of potential than Riou or Freyjadour (only that Lazlo's entire game is trash so Lazlo sticks more while Riou and Freyjadour are in great games). As such, strictly as protagonist I think Riou and Frey are worse than Lazlo, but Lazlo stars in a terrible game with terrible characters, while Riou stars in one of the best PS1 games ever and is surrounded by great characters.
@LowestExpectations
Жыл бұрын
@@vittoriopugliese3352 Makes sense.
@vittoriopugliese3352
Жыл бұрын
I too love "edgelord" characters a lot, and I am also a fan of Ar Tonelico 2.
@LowestExpectations
Жыл бұрын
Hell yeah 😎Thanks for all the comments 👍
@vittoriopugliese3352
Жыл бұрын
Like you, I too dislike when a character with an established background and personality is silent. And I especially despise when a game has "rotating silent protagonists" (such as Dragon Quest 4 or Mother 3), by that I mean when the game has multiple protagonists, all of which are silent only when you play as them, but are shown speaking when you're playing as someone else. This alone COMPLETELY defeats the point of a protagonist not being shown talking.
@LowestExpectations
Жыл бұрын
Rotating silent protagonists would annoy me to no end. Why would they do such a thing? 🙃
@vittoriopugliese3352
Жыл бұрын
@@LowestExpectations I just don't know. If a character is a character, why should they be silent?
@isaaccollins4533
Жыл бұрын
@@vittoriopugliese3352unlike link from the Zelda franchise
@vittoriopugliese3352
Жыл бұрын
@@isaaccollins4533 Link is always silent, but Zelda is not an example of rotating silent protagonist, as you never get to control other characters who are made silent just in the gameplay segments (or in the game, in case of direct sequels) where you play as them. DQ4 and Mother 3, Persona 2 IS and EP, or Golden Sun 1 and 2, are an example of rotating silent protagonist.
@isaaccollins4533
Жыл бұрын
@@vittoriopugliese3352 There is Chrono from Crono Trigger yet he is also silent.
@brieezy.
2 ай бұрын
Ok, Vaan’s actual relevance to the story and the other characters ends with his brother and that’s why he’s nothing like the others therefore treated as such by players come people hate him because he’s not contributing to the plot as a whole, like the other characters who are working together because they have to… Vaan is sticking around because he wants to, he’s intrigued by these people and he enjoys the adventure I think by the end he’s fully invested, he represents the The one in 1 million lazy young men that will probably never go on an amazing adventure because they don’t take chances😂 who is the only video game for antagonist well not anymore, but he’s definitely one of them that represents real people lol
@LowestExpectations
2 ай бұрын
But I'm playing Final Fantasy. I don't want to play like "real people" lol.
@brieezy.
2 ай бұрын
@@LowestExpectations that's fair, I've been there
@neorock7491
Жыл бұрын
Hugo from Ys Origin is one of my favourites in this list, because he can be so awful, mean-spirited and savage it becomes weirdly charming and amusing. Boy is an absolute riot and the way he roasts and screams at every character who has the misfortune to annoy him is really entertaining. For instance, the way he scolds the goddesses for how stupid and careless their whole plan is just comedy gold. Him belittling Miuscha (who is one of the most bulliable characters I've ever seen) at every turn is also supposed to show how arrogant, heinous and oafish he can be, but the way he is going at it goes back to being absolutely funny. The writing in the old Ys games was sure simple, but it was still pretty good. All muscles, no fat, and it wasn't afraid to be cruel and mean in the best ways. When I compare this old no-nonsense all-bite writing to the saccharine and inflated writing of the Trails games, I can't help but feel sad.
@LowestExpectations
Жыл бұрын
Yeah I didn't really go into Hugo's personality much in the video, but he's definitely an interesting guy. It's unfortunate that they are trying to take modern Ys in a Trails-like direction with the newer games. It just doesn't work for this series, and Ys IX was pretty disappointing as a result, which is a shame because there were some really cool ideas in that game. Thanks for the comment 👍
@DaTruth683
Жыл бұрын
no not lloyd....rean yeah but not lloyd
@LowestExpectations
Жыл бұрын
Lol
@Zephhi
10 ай бұрын
Rean is better than Lloyd
@izabelawiatrowska665
9 ай бұрын
Lloyd is boring.. Rean is little better
@SoulofFinality
5 ай бұрын
Rean is the goat
@niles8576
Жыл бұрын
WHY IS NOT BESTELLE AT NUMBER 1
@LowestExpectations
Жыл бұрын
Haha...
@Weiss640_
Жыл бұрын
have you played ys 8 lacrimosa of dana its pretty good
@LowestExpectations
Жыл бұрын
I have, and I agree, it's pretty darn good. I've played Ys Origins, Oath in Fleghana (III), Memories of Celceta (IV), VI: Ark of Napishtim, Seven, VIII: Lacrimosa of Dana, and IX: Monstrum Nox.
@Weiss640_
Жыл бұрын
@@LowestExpectations oo i see what ys games would you recommend me to play i played monstrum nox and lacrimosa already btw
@LowestExpectations
Жыл бұрын
@@Weiss640_ My favorite is still Ys Origin, so I always recommend that first (which I did in this video too lol). It's going to be very different from VIII and IX, so keep that in mind. My first Ys game was VI, but that was a weird place to start. It's still a great game and has some interesting design choices, including the music. Oath in Felghana is also good, but very short. Memories of Celceta and Ys Seven are okay. Other people tend to like these games more than I did though.
@Weiss640_
Жыл бұрын
@@LowestExpectations i liked origin but damn i got my ass beat by the bosses lmao but it was quite a while ago and i haven't finished it but pretty sure sooner or later ill play felghana too once i finish some trails and tales stuff also do you have any recommendation for final fantasy games im new to it and don't really know where to start im playing VIII I've heard the story is good but i played for around an 1 hour and i don't think ill finish it the graphics just makes me so dizzy but i don't mind if the graphics are like ys VI or trails in the sky
@LowestExpectations
Жыл бұрын
@@Weiss640_ I remember getting my ass beat by that game for a while too lol. But it's worth sticking with it and trying the other characters. I actually am not a good person to ask about Final Fantasy. I came into the series a lot later than most people and started with X and XII on the PS2, so I'm very partial to those games, especially X. I have a very biased emotional connection to that game, but I know a lot of people don't like it. I also enjoyed the XIII trilogy, which would make a lot of FF fans recoil in disgust lmao. I also played VII and XV but didn't enjoy them as much. But there's still a lot of them I haven't played.
@jesserivera2043
Жыл бұрын
Based off your criteria I'm surprised Joker from Persona 5 isn't an honorable mention, as well as Emil from Tales of Symphonia Dawn of a New World being dishonorable. A lot of JRPG protags are reflections of the heroes journey, even the ones you put down as the worst. If some of these entries were considered bad, then I wonder why JRPGs are your games of choice
@LowestExpectations
Жыл бұрын
I have not played Persona 5 or Dawn of a New World. I have heard many complaints about the latter though. I do like the gameplay of most JRPGs I've played, and often the overarching narrative is interesting enough to carry the annoying protagonist through it. My #2 least favorite for example did have an interesting enough storyline and fun gameplay for me to see it through to the end despite the main character's idiocy lol. Thanks for the comment 👍
@vittoriopugliese3352
Жыл бұрын
Joker is one of the worst silent protagonists ever, he's too much of a character to be a featureless player insert, and at the same time was made silent as if they expected him to be, not to mention most of his dialogue options have little variance and all of them express a clear personality making Joker being silent completely redundant. I'd rank Joker among my least favorite protagonists ever, but it's me personally who think there should be a clear distinction between what is supposed to be a character and what is supposed to be a player insert, and I like silent protagonists when they have the least amount of established traits possible.
@isaaccollins4533
Жыл бұрын
No tales of Vesparia :(
@RyeAkai
3 ай бұрын
This is going to be my longest comment ever (prolly spoilers in it) I was agreeing way too much in the other videos, so it's kinda fun to find some disagreements here even though I do agree with a lot of what's said too. Starting with Trails: I agree Kevin is amazing. He was presented as a nice guy who liked to joke but was also serious, didn't feel like the typical protagonist at all (who uses a crossbow as a protagonist. Ries actually had the protagonist sword). I think I prefer Estelle, but that also has to do with Falcom forgetting about Kevin's existence (until now!) and Estelle shining through 4 games (and appearing in 7 total games). While quality over quantity, quantity does matter when there's quality in both cases. Both of them are top tier any ways. Now, my point of disagreement, to a degree, is Lloyd. I mean, I totally agree he can be way too preachy. I was getting tired with the speeches... but at the end of the day, I do like Lloyd (I prefer both Kevin and Estelle... and Van, but that guy obviously wasn't gonna be considered in this 1year+ old video). I think Lloyd shares a great quality with Estelle and that's the fact that he's not the chose one, he's not the edgy teenager with a sword who somehow has the world revolving around him and he's not the super powerful protagonist that goes and beat legends with 30 minutes of training. While he can be cringy with his stuff at times, I do like the fact of him being a detective and the games using that a fair amount in discovering what the hell happened in many cases through both Zero and Azure, with one huge mystery through both games that's of course Guy's death. Of course, all I just said connect to what I'm gonna say now that's gonna anger some fans, and that's the fact that I personally think he's easily a better protagonist than Rean, especially CS1-2 Rean. This is because I am also tired of the Kirito protagonists everywhere that will have the world revolving around them. Of course he was Class 7 leader because... Sara randomly grabbed him, of course he was the awaited chosen awakener of precisely Driechel's former giant mech, of course he was pretty much the core of Erebonia's curse, of course he had every single girl behind him in about a couple months... it kinda annoys me that they made him so centric in a series that was never centric towards a character... even 3rd managed to not be that Kevin centered even if the plot made it Kevin centered. I do think Reans feels better as a teacher in CS3 though and even in 4, although the plot does not help him in the last one. He's also pretty cool in Reverie. And he's even worse than Lloyd in the preaching department... I am also kinda tired of high schools, especially in a game like Kiseki, but that's not just a Rean thing. Velvet is amazing. She's my favorite Tales character. Her backstory feels pretty much like a more family-friendly version of Berserk, and I'm all up to that. But while being edgy, she still managed to be fun and not cringy. I'll use the chance though to talk about one of the disagreements, which would be Luke Fon Fabre (although I do agree Jade is king). I mean, disagree in a way. Yes, he is incredibly annoying during the first part of the game, so in a sense, of course I can agree with him being a "least favorite", but at the same time, in the grand scheme of things, he's annoying for reasons to the plot. I think that, while I do agree with "Tales" not being particularly good at tales, Abyss is actually the one where I think the story is actually good, and Luke being the annoying brat he was is part of that story. I do think there are reasons for which the party does go with him. I don't remember the details for all of them, but I do remember it was pretty much Guy's (was it guy the name of the other swordsman?) job, and I definitely remember Tear was doing it for a sense of responsibility because he was taken away from the palace because of her mistake. Pretty sure there were reasons for the rest too, and that does make a difference. It's true he becomes a bit of a "typical protagonist" after the big incident, but contrary to most typical protagonists, at least he had a journey and growth to get there. So it's kinda tough for me... I won't go and say he's among my favorite characters of all-time, but he is the protagonist of my favorite Tales overall, and his role, even the negative aspects, play a role on that. Laharl is pretty much with everything there. He's fun, he somehow has development in that ridiculous plot and generally speaking worked great. Most memorable Disagea character for me. I didn't finish Fairy Fencer F, but I did play it. A big part of the reason I didn't finish it is because I found the protagonist to be quite annoying. A jerk can be an interesting character, but this just felt... annoying, like it was for the sake of being... yeah, bad one for sure. Kinda agree with Ar Tonelico to an extent. I wouldn't say Lyner is one of my least favs, and I would not call Croix my fav, but I do think Lyner is bland, Croix is great and the protagonist upgrade was huge. 2nd biggest elephant would be Xenoblade. As a whole, I mostly agree with Shulk. To be honest, out of the 3 Xenoblades, 1 was the one I enjoyed the least, and a good part of that was that I felt the party was incredibly boring, but it's also true that I think the party felt boring because the game was incredibly Shulk-centered, and contrary to other swordsman chose protagonists, Shulk had a good head on his shoulders, was overall a nice guy with clear flaws and even at his worst, he wasn't a guy dragging everyone down in his depressions or something like that. So as a whole, I think him being in the list is actually something I can agree (also, while I say XC1 was the one I enjoyed the least, that doesn't mean I didn't enjoy it). Now the biggest disagreement would be Rex. I guess this also shows the big disagreement on XC2. As a whole, I will say I'm a firm believer that XG and Saga are easily the best part of the Xeno franchise. I enjoy XC, but I think their storytelling is nowhere near Xenosaga or Xenogears, like, not even remotely close, not even in the same stratosphere. But I think the game when kinda shounen with Xenoblade. I mean, I do think Shulk is the better character, but he's still quite shounen in my book. Still I still think Xenoblade (1, 2 and 3) have a better story than the norm of games, and while 2 may have more anime tropes and such, it does have the best villains in the Blade series and I did enjoy the party as a whole. I did dislike Rex's design though, I will agree on that part. And he could be annoying at times, but again, he's a character that does show a ton of growth in many aspects, and was generally speaking still a good kid who worked a ton and sent most of the money he earned to his hometown and such. Also going into XC2, I think it actually has the best combat in the series, although the game is horrible at explaining said combat. As a whole, I won't go and defend Rex saying he's among my favorite, but I definitely didn't dislike him, and XC2 didn't particularly kill my love for the Xeno franchise (XC as a whole did make me accept I'll never get to the levels of story expositions Saga and Gears, but that was a realisation I had with Xenoblade 1 back in the Wii days... I already recovered from that). By the same line, by the way, I do think Shion, Rubedo (he is kinda protagonist in XS2) and KOS-MOS are better than Rex, and Shulk, and Noah, for that matter. I would recommend you reconsider giving a chance to Torna though, if it helps you. Rex is nowhere to be seen in that DLC. And since I'm talking Xeno, I'll just go and say Fei in Xenogears is great. He's of course a huge part of why the story of Xenogears is as good as it is, and he's mostly a great guy too. Definitely worthy of being in a top 10 for me too. I'm not the biggest fan of Neptunia games, but I did enjoy the first game and Neptunia was really likeable. Didn't play Atelier Meruru, so 0 opinion there. Again, cute girl I guess. Same with Firis, but the annoying english voice thing did remind me I never said that I do agree about Lyner's voice in Ar Tonelico. And speaking of Ar no Surge, haven't played that one. Still have it for the PS3 gathering dust in my shelf since I bought it when it was a new game. Just noticed I skipped Van... I shouldn't have done that while writing this, but Square probably should've when writing FFXII script. I agree FFXII is a good game. The plot is fun and it does have some really good characters like Balthier, but Van just sucks as a protagonists. Not only he feels irrelevant, but whenever he kinda tries to get some spotlight, he tends to be annoying. He definitely deserves a spot in least favorite, imo. I do consider Tidus annoying at the beginning, and at the middle at times too, but I do think his growth is incredible and it's written in a very clever way to help us understand the world of Spira. By the end of the game, I definitely did appreciate him a lot. I love Alicia in VP2, and Silmeria 2. I like their inner interactions. I love that game as a whole. She would probably be a part of my top 10 favorite protagonists beyond the honorable mentions in my case. Still, it does make me smile to see her mentioned because Valkyrie Profile 2 is, nowadays, a relatively forgotten gem. Daddy NieR is amazing. I have a weak spot for older protagonists, so there's that. And that's actually one of the reasons I've never actually played Replicant, because while I did love the NieR story, I kinda don't want to play as teenager 203835825 when I went through it as Chad Dad. I promise this will be the longest youtube comment I ever write. Actually had to shorten it because it was too long to send
@LowestExpectations
2 ай бұрын
I appreciate the time you took to write comments like this! I have played Torna, and I liked it more than the XC2 main game, but my biggest problem with it is being a prequel, so we kinda have an idea of what's about to happen in the story as we play it, so it's hard to get attached to it.
@vimaln6613
2 ай бұрын
I only read the Trails part because those are the games that I have played so far, but boy do I agree with your assessment on Rean. I honestly feel CS III and IV would have been better with a different POV rather than Rean's. Like OK, Rean can be this chosen one and all but he could have been a super important side character with a student of his taking over as the protagonist. It's amazing how the most boring and bland protagonist in the series got 4 whole games while Kevin got one game, 2 cameos and bunch of mentions to soothe the fans. Like Rean's only bad trait is supposed to be his reckless tendency to self sacrifice? What is he, a saint from the scriptures?
@beetlehorn
11 ай бұрын
Rean is best boy. I was initially hugely fond of Juna in CS3, but she got a bit stale by CS4. I still need to get through my hugo playthrough of Ys Origin.
@LowestExpectations
11 ай бұрын
Haha... Juna just isn't a very deep or interesting character in general. Like she's fine for the most part, but has more screen time than is warranted I guess. Did you beat Origin as Yunica or was Hugo your first character?
@beetlehorn
11 ай бұрын
@@LowestExpectations I beat it with Yunica, then got distracted by Trails from Zero and never finished my Hugo playthrough. I didn't like his playstyle as much.
@LowestExpectations
11 ай бұрын
@@beetlehorn Ah I see. Well the silver lining is that once you get the hang of him, Hugo's playthrough is probably the easiest, so it may not last as long. Or you could always just go with Toal if you go back to it.
@PurpYoshii
Жыл бұрын
actually reyn is #1 jrpg protagonist
@LowestExpectations
Жыл бұрын
I'm all ovah that
@dpyosha591
Жыл бұрын
Tbh Van Solos (I say with the Estelle pfp)
@LowestExpectations
Жыл бұрын
I'll see about that when I get around to Kuro 😉
@dpyosha591
Жыл бұрын
@@LowestExpectations Also potential silly video idea. Top 10 redeemed characters in JRPGS. C has to be in it for obvious reasons.
@LowestExpectations
Жыл бұрын
@@dpyosha591 I could do that, but I think I'd be repeating a lot of stuff from this video and my antagonists one. Maybe if I did it in the distant future... I do want to do a Top 10 JRPG party members though.
@dpyosha591
Жыл бұрын
@@LowestExpectations that would be a great one.
@dpyosha591
Жыл бұрын
I already know Olivier is on that lmfao
@Groffili
Жыл бұрын
Kevin Graham. Well... he certainly is an interesting character. With an interesting - and dark - backstory, fitting the dark tone of his game. I just couldn't get over the hair. Yes, I know, it is a japanese anime-style game. But still... THAT HAIR!!!
@LowestExpectations
Жыл бұрын
His hair is just as enigmatic as his game 😂Thanks for the comment
@Synthpopper
Жыл бұрын
Yeah but he still looks cool
@rodrigorafael9514
Жыл бұрын
Bro is savage
@LowestExpectations
Жыл бұрын
😎
@PKRockin7
Жыл бұрын
You're a good writer and a solid speaker, and some of your observations are genuinely insightful and appropriately cutting But I also think you're kinda boring. Like the entire Lloyd section just feels like template reddit statement rather than anything meaningful. Which is a shame, because I think he's a great character
@LowestExpectations
Жыл бұрын
How dare you compare me to reddit!!!!! Just kidding, but hey, guess I can only go up from here, right? I just couldn't really connect with Lloyd, but I'm due for another playthrough of Zero and Azure, so maybe I'll change my mind. Thanks for the comment 👍
@PKRockin7
Жыл бұрын
@LowestExpectations credit where credit is due, you can definitely take criticism better than 99.9% of Reddit. I went for a pretty cheap shot too. Regardless, I appreciate the response nonetheless. And hey, if even after giving Lloyd another shot he doesn't work that's more than fine. I just personally found his journey in Azure to be incredibly compelling, especially his prison break and talk with his dead brother
@LowestExpectations
Жыл бұрын
@@PKRockin7 Oh yeah, there's no point in getting triggered over criticism/disagreements, and I fully expected it when I made this video. One issue I had with Azure is that I played it pre-Geofront with the old translation (I didn't want to wait for them after the Zero mod lol), so maybe the writing in it wasn't up to snuff.
@tyresewilson7399
7 ай бұрын
Rex being number 1 is kinda my issue with xenoblade chronicles 2. If you ask me i think that game imo have one of the worst main/ side characters while i think have the one of best antagonist in jrpg. 😅
@LowestExpectations
7 ай бұрын
I can see why you would say that, the antagonists of Xenoblade 2 were much better characters than the main cast in my opinion too. Though I'd say they're nowhere near the best. I made a top 10 antagonists video as a follow-up if you're interested!
@davidtimmer596
Жыл бұрын
Alphen from Tales of Arise is one of the most stale, forgettable characters ever. Doesn't help that Tales of Arise is a disappointment on its own, I also agree with Luke. Especially when he nuked the mining town, and the game forcing me to feel sorry for him. He lost all sympathy, and after becoming an apologetic beta-male, he lost even more respect than gained it. I honestly think Tales of the Abyss would've been better if Asch was the protagonist. And that one douche from Star Ocean Integrity and Faithlessness.
@LowestExpectations
Жыл бұрын
I haven't played Arise but from what I've seen, none of the characters seem all that interesting despite the pretty art style. Asch would have made the game better, maybe. Like if part of the main story was focused around him learning to treat Luke like a brother and getting over his resentment, idk. There's a few interesting angles they could go with that, but oh well. Thanks for the comment 👍
@SomeRPGFan
8 ай бұрын
Actually, I really liked the two supporting couples. Dohalim especially is really cool.
@fartlordsmellytoe3690
Жыл бұрын
Gimme some food.
@LowestExpectations
Жыл бұрын
🍕
@agunkorea2995
Ай бұрын
Yeah fck rean. He is your typical harem mc anime. If you watch anime around 2010 -2015 which mostly adapt LN sword & magic school harem who bumped to heroine when changing clothes with red or blonde haired 💀
@LowestExpectations
21 күн бұрын
Yeah they could have tried to be original instead. That would have been nice...
@SomeRPGFan
8 ай бұрын
Aww, I am one of the few people apparently who loves Sorey. He's just so pure und wholesome and I love his relationship with Mikleo. And I like Asbel too. I hated Luke at first and almost quit the game because of him. But when I realized that he was intentionally hateable to set up his redemption ark, I started to really respect the writers for taking a risk like that.
@LowestExpectations
8 ай бұрын
Probably shows in the video, but I am more of an edgelord enjoyer lol. If the protagonist is gonna be super wholesome, they gotta have something else interesting about them to go along with that, like Estelle and Nep Nep.
@Maubari
Жыл бұрын
Lloyd Bannings as one of your least favourites?? Welp, i'm out, lol. He's easily the best and quite frankly better than hyper active Estelle or over-the-top cliché Rean.
@abdoazar8343
Жыл бұрын
Rean>Kevin>Estelle>>>>>>>>>Lloyd
@jojonta2119
Жыл бұрын
@@abdoazar8343 Rean's backstory and role in the story carries him. His personality is way too boring
@vittoriopugliese3352
Жыл бұрын
@@abdoazar8343 Rean sucks. Heck, it's obvious he's inspired by Persona protagonists. But Van Arkride is THE best RPG protagonist bar none
@abdoazar8343
Жыл бұрын
@@vittoriopugliese3352 Rean is the best protagonist, you just need to understand his character
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